👉 To try everything Brilliant has to offer for free for a full 30 days by clicking brilliant.org/CGY/. You’ll also get 20% off an annual premium subscription. This is the first video I’ve ever been really nervous to post because it’s my first time addressing some “bad” CGI - Although, I’ve tried to be really fair to it. I also really enjoyed the second half of this video where we discussed all the pros of a CGI suit because those certainly have been overlooked for many years - Especially all of the Lantern Corps stuff. I think that was really impressive and for sure deserves more credit. But yea, how do you guys feel about this suit? Did this video change your opinion on it at all? Or is it still bad 😂
All I have to say. When you’re 9 years old. You don’t really care. I loved this movie when it came out. But I can see how an actor can hate it. I think they did great on blending the cgi with the heads. Forget about the ability to form anything you want.
No you could have just used a practical suit and then adjusted the luminence in post. This way you could combine the advantages of both. I really don't get why on earth you would do comstumes in CG at all. Just go practical. The actor has actually something to touch and you get a reference for the lighting like Corridor Crew often point out.
They give Tom Holland a real suit and then replace it. Probably because they didn't like some creases. What utter nonsense. That is why movies look to clean nowdays. There is actually a video with that exact title here that hits the nail on the head. Realism means dirt and imperfections. I'd rather have a suit that has some creases than this the typical Marvel CG junk. Yes it looks realistic. But I couldn't care less.
Another huge problem is that the suit is supposed to be glowing but there's no green light reflecting on his face or his surroundings. That's why his head and body don't look connected.
I agree, adding some actual green LEDs to the mocap suit would have helped tremendously. I'll say this for the movie, the director's cut is nowhere near as bad as theatrical. They cut some really good scenes.
Good point. I liked the movie, (with a minor cringe or two) and had to explain numerous times to the clueless, the suit is comprised of pure energy, not solid fabric, which is why they opted for CGI. However while I thought the suit was passable in that context, yes, a glow would probably have enhanced the illusion.
The crazy thing is, and I know a lot of people say this about every movie with a director's cut, a lot of the story problems aren't in the director's cut. It takes the movie from a 5 to at least a solid 7.
@Agent-57 yeah, it also didn't have a major moment where we see why the ring chose Hal. Never gave us a moment where he does something impossible with will power.
I kid you not, I could never see the problem with the Green Lantern suit. Sure, it can look weird at times, but it never bothered me that much. It's crazy though how it looks a lot better than CGI in some modern films.🤔
I agree. I mean, if i really started dissecting every frame of the movie it might start to break down, but i never really looked that hard. My problems with the movie were in the script, not the visuals.
My problem with the suit was that it looked too tight, like someone repainted his skin to look like the suit instead of him actually wearing the suit. His mask was even worse, it especially looked like some painted his skin with a green plastic texture. It didn't look like the mask was on top of his skin, it looked like it was in his skin.
Agreed - watched »Green Lantern« four times, liked it (as I liked the Ironman stuff any other popcorn flicks), never thought there was any problem with heads »floating« on suits.
That's because there's an increasing problem with modern films trying to do their CGI work within very tight timeframes. Apparently the Black Panther vs Killmonger final fight (which is almost entirely CG) was put together in a couple of months by a studio that was also crunched with other work. The expectations put on CGI studios is insane, and they're still the ones audiences point the fingers at when the CGI turns out impressively decent under the circumstances rather than amazing, instead of pointing the blame at poor planning by the film studio, where it belongs.
Funny thing about the iron man “floating head” is that I actually saw a cosplayer on Reddit who talked about how people kept saying she photoshopped her face onto armor… She kept insisting her and her bf made the armor, 3D printed and custom fitted and everything… the issue is that the metallic paint of the full body armor without the helmet creates an odd effect where the armor and head appear to be lit completely differently. Thats what makes it look fake, is the mismatched lighting. She literally had the Iron Man effect in real legit armor anyway! The people in the Reddit thread were talking about how the CG artists probably used light simulation and made the suit look real, but not right. There’s a difference. Sometimes CGI has to fudge things because our eye is so used to a certain look, like Hollywoo explosions and stuff.. so instead of making it “look right” they made it “look real” but the problem is that in that specific situation, “real” looks fake because of a trick of the light! Haha So this girl made a few posts showing the armor being made, and how they took the photos and inside with harsh lighting it looks fine… outside in softer daylight it immediately started looking like a fake floating head stuck on armor. But a cool thing was that by removing one sleeve of armor, the effect goes away.. it gave our brain another reference for human skin and shadows and lighting and it seemed much less fake! Our brains are so weird… light is so weird. It’s so complicated and small things can mess with our perception of what’s real, or what looks “wrong” to us even if we can’t explain what or why it feels wrong…
as an artist who uses references it’s so weirdly interesting seeing how differently skin reacts to lightning when compared with clothing or in this case armour. Like there’s so many different effects going on at all times like sub surface scattering making skin look like it’s glowing and bounced lighting changing shadow colours, it gets really hard to make it a cohesive piece
For me it's photography. I had my family members and friends thinking that some of my outstanding pictures are photoshoped. Yes, I love to make silly images as joke but it's funny and sad when people think you manipulated the few pictures that you honestly captured at the right time and near perfect lighting condition that the image looked far too beautiful or surreal to be real.
The story. The fucking story. I was sold with Ryan Reynolds’s as Green Lantern, but after leaving OA the movie is just really bad story to a charismatic character.
I 100% agree! Re-watching as an adult now, the bad story direction was what made it a hard watch. Like the toby Spiderman movies, but I'll stop there... 😬
Constructs were really interesting. There were SO MANY that none were art directed before they got to comp. We would get EVERY energy pass they came up with and everyone would look dev a single construct, then the best design would win. My look of the brick wall was used in the training scene. Might not seem like much, BUT it was the only non-glossy construct so it was fun to create something that still fit in the world but was technically different.
@@santos8468 it's the best because there are none better than it. It's also the worst because there are none worse than it. My comment was for the algo and the LOLS(small lol in this case 😢)
With Ryan Reynolds trying to make every possible joke with Green Lantern and the General Public hating on the movie, I'll say this: This movie was the only movie we had at home on DVD and we used to watch this movie over and over again. I just liked the movie and I loved to watch the action scenes over and over again.....
I have treat he’s it many times as well and not just be aide it was all I had available. It’s fun entertainment. People just like having stuff to complain about!
1000% if Reynolds didn't try to keep milking the GL joke throughout his career, the movie wouldn't be nearly as hated. It was never amazing, but people just pilled on it
@@wheeler6768agreed, he even killed himself in Deadpool 2 when he was about to read the Green Lantern script. Didn't he meet his wife filming this movie? He acts like this is his worst failure.
@@lelecoleco_bangu6924 he is one of the funniest guys actually and really gifted when it comes to jokes, their delivery and timing! pure genious! He stands out!
The idea that it was the worst cg ever is absurd. The suit itself looked amazing, even if it didn’t blend perfectly with Ryan’s head. If the film had been better, nobody would have cared about the imperfect cg.
These types of comments really make me happy. We put so much work into this movie and when it came out it was panned. I get it, I've worked on plenty of crap, but this one was special for me. It was my first time working on a mega budget film.
@@RichardServello I really liked this movie. Not only CGI part , story was also pretty good for me. The most amazing part is constructs were actually constructs and not some space magic effects. Many Green Lanterns just use a green dust going around instead of guns/bombs/shields.
@@RichardServellothe CGI was good for GL and felt it worked for the suit as it is just a construct made from the green light of will emitted from the ring. The guardians could have used another couple of weeks they seems like they did not get as much time as needed.
@@RichardServello regardless of the public response, you should still be proud of this, a CG suit like this was super ambitious for a 2011 movie, and the fact that it looked as good as it did throughout the movie is really impressive. It's not perfect, but the general response is definitely excessive, I think most people just jumped on the hate train because it was the popular thing to do. I really enjoyed the movie and the suit as a kid
@@RichardServello I never had any issues with the CGI. I've always thought it looked cool with the energy suit. But the floating head problem caused by a disconnect in the lighting really is unfortunate. So it's quite disheartening how Ryan Reynolds keep putting all the blame on that. He seems like a true history revisionist. Same thing he did to Deadpool in X-Men Origins: Wolverine. Apparently he didn't know the character(?) he signed on to play THAT version and then when it was panned he put all the blame on the producer/director/concept artists. And of course, they are to blame as it's ultimately their vision for these things, but he did agree to play THAT character. Maybe he should've read a Deadpool comic before. And then when it seems he ultimately did, the real Deadpool came along. But I'm not a fan of Reynolds at all. Not an interesting actor and he isn't even that funny
That would have helped...A LOT. Also didn't help that a lot of the blue screen shots were dark and magenta and several of the green screens were yellow. Overall production was less than stellar and gave us more than a few headaches!
I think it beats out the Fantastic four movies. They aren't even the worst themselves but they certainly could have been better. GL was a perfectly good movie. If a lil wonky.
My uncle who was a huge green lantern fan took me to see this movie before his condition got worse and while it’s not the greatest it has a special place in my heart. Thank you for bringing positivity to this movie!
For years I believed I was the only soul that didn't hate this movie. Yes, it had a bad script and the CGI was noticeable, but I always praised their character design and world building. One of the scenes that stuck in my head since I watched it, was when we got to see all the lanterns and see the alien design with their unique suit/armors. But outside from Hal Jordan and Parallax, the concept and consistency with the lanterns was truly enjoyable for me and I respect the ambition and their efforts. TBH I think this movie became one of those memes that everyone knows they must trash on it because it's fun.
Same. It seems like everyone’s complaints with this movie are them comparing this to what could have been (with the script being leaked earlier into production, or people wanting a physical suit) as opposed to just judging it for what it is. It’s not a great movie by any means, but everyone treats it like it’s unwatchable, it’s just fine.
@@basti.9022 I've been a fan of Green Lantern since I was a little kid in the late 80'-90's, not a superfan I just know about the lore and stuff. Reynolds campy acting style ruined the character, good for Deadpool, bad for Green Lantern. Also making the movie an origin story that's pretty hard to fit into a couple hours, especially when they also squeeze in the Parallax character, which was actually the end of the Hal Jordan era before it was rebooted in comics. They made a movie with the origin, the death, and the reboot of Hal Jordan rewritten into one and it's a MESS. On top of that, they used childish elements of the comics as far as his powers and heroic feats. As if making the movie for a demographic that's not even going to be interested in that character. And that's why people say it's bad. As a stand-alone movie it's passable but it got dragged by the fans.
This is the first video I'm watching on your channel and I just wanted to say what a fucking refreshing video this is. With all the negativity on the internet, being able to pull up something universally hated and being able to see through it and pull out the positives and the effort of the crew from it is amazing! Thanks for this and if you ever read this, hope you have a great day!
"CGI" is the go-to complaint when people just want to turn off their brains and regurgitate a popular albeit nonsensical sentiment People who hate on the use of CGI in a freakin SUPERHERO MOVIE are just... Fake comic fans at BEST. CGI is the best way to transfer that comic feel to the big screen when it comes to heroes with actual super powers
0:49 Hell no! When it came out, I enjoyed it, (with a minor cringe or two) and spent a few moments in homes, bars explaining why the suit was as it was. WHICH IS NOT THAT FRIGGING BAD IN THE CONTEXT, THAT THEY WENT WITH CGI BECAUSE THE SUITE IS COMPOSED OF LANTERN ENERGY AND NOT A FABRIC AND NOT SUPPOSED TO LOOK SOLID!
Yeah, when i first heard they were planning on doing a full CGI suit, I was imagining something more visually interesting like having the lantern logo projected in front of their chest like in the comics. What they gave us could have been accomplished better with practical light-up suits like in Tron Legacy (which came out the year before). Then, even if they needed to touch something up, they would have had better reference footage, and ambient green light on everything in the area.
I LOVE the effect. The green lantern costume is not a costume. Its SUPPOSED to be created by the ring. Its not actually clothes. In every version I know, its his ring making the skin tight outfit. So making it just fit as basically part of his skin, is perfectttttt snd exactly how it should be done
Nope! I'll "die on the hill" that the production design was A++ and it made sense that his suit is a CGI suit because it's a RING CONSTRUCT in the comics.
While you're 100% correct about the fact IT'S SUPPOSED TO LOOK UNCANNY, you have to realize that this film was made in order to bring the hero to WIDER AUDIENCES. What they should have done is have Hal Jordan make a "Human Spider" tier suit, then through sheer willpower alone have that uncanny suit manifest upon him. Would have really helped out on character development, helped the audience see the uncanny suit as an upgrade, as well as being able to sneak in some goofy jokes/references. Won't lie, I know I just typed the "wider audience" blasphemy spiel. What I'm trying to point out is that they failed at their true intentions.
IMO having at least one character acknowledge the suit/constructs looking weird because they're basically imagination brought to life by the ring would have gone a long way to getting people to have the CGI less. So many people on the films release complained that the ring constructs didn't look realistic, when of course that was never the goal. If viewers all heard it in universe that the constructs are supposed to look like they're somehow less than real it'd help with that. It's 100% a having a nice idea, but lacking the ability to put it across effectively.
So I'm in the process of making my first feature length and watching this really did change my opinion of the movie. I appreciate the new perspective and that's a lot of true things to consider in practice. It's not easy. Love the channel, man
Thank you for doing this. I've honestly never understood the hate this film gets. I think it's quite good and the cgi works well imo because the whole green lantern power is making these constructs. It makes perfect sense that the suit would match that, and I've never had a problem suspending disbelief watching this films. And it's one of the few superhero films that I don't mind rewatching many times. Plus the whole Green Lantern theme of conquering fear is great.
As a result of watching this video, I had a dream last night where Ryan Reynalds became my roommate and I was hanging out with him for a few weeks and the entire time he was kinda rude and didn’t like me but he was also really insecure about being in green lantern so I spent the time trying to convince him that green lantern wasn’t actually THAT bad of a movie and he shouldn’t be so hard on himself especially when the problems with the movie weren’t his fault. Over the time he grew to be a bit kinder to me and to himself
Even though it was considered bad at the time, the CGI Suits don't actually look that bad and haven't gotten much worse as time goes on. It was moreso the disconnect between how Ryan's head and the Suit moved. The body actually blends in with the footage fairly well at times and it's really only the Mask that constantly looks horrible. Now I am being loose with the term "blends in" because it's constantly glowing & reminding you that it's fake but the alien GLs do look like they're in the scenes. When they're not attaching a real head to it, the CGI Suits work. So rather than a full CGI Suit, they should've had a practical suit that was just the dark greens and then add the highlights & glowing with CGI. Even if they'd end up replacing the whole thing with CGI, the animators would've had better reference footage if Ryan wore a tight suit. At least we're able to learn from it, like I never noticed that the movement at the bottom of the neck was why it's easy to tell when a real head is placed on top of CGI. It explains why that part is usually hidden like with Iron Man. On a side note, was there even an explanation for why his eyes turn Blue when wearing the suit? I'm assuming the character had blue eyes in the comics and this was a way to pay homage but the constant color change looks bad and makes the CGI mask even more unbelievable when Ryan's eyes are being edited too.
Even just having a real collar could have saved so much labor. That said it would have entailed some compromise of not looking as otherwordly, not as much like a perfect second skin.
Yeah I had that thought a few minutes into the video and couldn't not think it. A practical suit with the same effects would look much better. I also don't think the suit looks that bad, my big thing is the mask. It's too small and tight
His eye turn blue to mimick the way he looks in the comic where his eyes are pure white when he wears the domino mask, I guess it was a middle ground because they figured completely white eyes in live action was too creepy for kids or something
I've honestly liked this movie since it came out and even have the art book where you can see ultra HQ images of the different corps members. It's pretty funny to hear people rag on the cgi in it, particularly the suit. I still maintain that the vfx team did an incredible job and people only say it looks terrible because they know it's cgi going in. A really strong case I feel for it was just a personal experience I had where I was watching the deleted scenes that have no finished vfx work on them so it was just Ryan and Mark Strong in the mocap suits talking. My mother happened to walk through the room at the time and said "what are they wearing?" I had to explain that the suits in the film proper were fully cgi and she'd watched that with me in the past. Just never realized.
Y'know, looking back at these clips, I genuinely think the biggest visual problem with the suits is the colour grading - the green is *way* too heavily saturated to look tangible next to the live-action elements. Any shot with a primarily digital environment, the suits look great, but in shots where they're the only digital element (especially darker or backlit ones) the luminance of the green is way too high to look like it fits in with the rest of the shot. I remember Corridor Crew mentioning a similar issue in the original live action Sonic trailer - his fur's so intensely blue that it doesn't look like it's reacting to the ambient light enough
Oh, another little bit of insider info. The rooftop scene was a reshoot WAY into post production. Ryan was in Africa shooting another movie that he had to shave his head for. The entire sequence was shot in a hotel room drapped with green fabric. He was wearing a TERRIBLE wig, which was subsequently replaced by CG. I had one shot in that sequence...it looks SO BAD. LOL. In case you didn't know :)
@@pingaswingas1 The eyes were actually pretty simple! Rather than using CGI eyes layered on top of the suit, they simply stretched and squashed the eyes of the suit in Photoshop!
Honestly, you're blowing my mind. This whole time I thought it was a skin suit with a glow effect layered on. It really is impressive when you break it down!
unironically love this movie. it also gave us possibly the most beautiful Barbie face ever created with the carol ferris doll. Not to mention bringing blake and ryan together. 💜
Anytime you don't see Ryan's face he's fully CG. We would have a butt reel every week of all the shots that were from behind to not have to deal with footage.
i always liked it. it looks "otherworldly". and i'm actually something of a VFX artist myself :D i just don't think the GL suit is that bad. i think a lot of people see something "different" and their only interpretation is "bad".
The CGI in this film was great. The problems with the film were the pacing, the writing, the lack of more action showcasing the powers, it's a whole lot of fluff that isn't about Green Lantern doing Green Lantern things.
As a 3d artist myself at that time, I understood better than most the sheer amount of sweat and cutting-edge FX work went into Green Lantern. As a longtime Lantern fan, I was also disappointed with the overall result of the suit, while also recognizing the technical hurdles they overcame to get it there. It was definitely ambitious, but those are the kinds of people that push technology forward.
Not gonna lie, I've kinda always been okay with the CGI suit. 1) It's the first time they've tried doing the GL suit in live action (to my knowledge) and 2) How else did you think they were gonna make it. it's a suit made out of energy that's in a CGI world, its gonna look a little weird. What they should do in the future though, is to have a practical suit that they can use and add CGI effects to in post. A mocap suit can be used when the suit is being put on or taken off.
0:30 it blows my mind how so much more CHI is used than you would ever imagine in Marvel movies. Like why not just make physical suits for the actors? It would cost WAY less time and money to do that, instead of CGI-ing in the suits. Completely unnecessary for them to do that.
It’s just like DEI stuff. They think they are innovators who need to get ahead on things so they’ll try the things anyone with an active brain stem would say is ridiculous and ineffective so when that ONE thing sticks to the wall they can say they spearheaded that for everyone else. A lot of these big corporate investors especially in entertainment and technology have a “legacy complex” ig you could call it and you can’t convince me that’s not the biggest of the many factors. They want to be the ones who makes the next thing that works better. Instead of focusing on making a good movie.
Weirdly enough, my problem was never with the CGI of the suit. I was used to the 90's CGI, so I actually found that part somewhat impressive. It was the plot of the movie that I feel was the bigger failure to me. They set up several plot threads that felt like they'd be better served over longer story arcs and instead of doing the pacing to match, decided to squish the entire thing into one movie that felt rushed and didn't have the chance to really grow into itself. I have a DVD copy of it that I save for nights with friends, usually for MST3K type riffing.
The Iron Spider suit covers his head mostly of the time, and don't mark his body muscles, so i don't think is comparable. Bcs once they cover Tom Holland's face, it's just 100% CGI body without need to blend with a real person. Ryan's face was always visible.
It wasnt even the muscle movements and all that that made the cgi look bad. It was the fact that cgi didnt even look that realistic back then so doing half and half just never looked right. The head looks way to real compared to his suit because it was his real head. It wasnt a bad movie necessarily, it was just way too overambitious for its time. 11:40 is a great example
Think of how much money and how many skilled artists worked in service of this suit, and wonder why the heck they didn't put just a little more time and effort into the script.
We had the entire building in Culver filled with artists AND the building in the culver studios lot next door. We also had a facility in New Mexico. Smurfs was going at the same time so we had to have an additional render farm brought into the parking lot in trucks! Power outages also happened often.
honestly the suit is the easiest to meme on, but the VFX is probably the best part i love how they made the suits unique ... the actual movie though? yeah it wasn't very good. & yeah as another person in the comments pointed out, the fact that there's no actual green light makes it blend less; so yeah maybe they could have used physical suits with green LEDs for the filming & add the CGI on top
It's fascinating how they insisted on having the suit be fully CGI instead of just using a real one and using CGI to then add all those energy effects. Most problems like this shouldn't even be problems. When they are, it means your approach is wrong.
That wouldn’t really make the process simpler. In orther to add the light effects, they’d still need to make a full cg suit to match the movements of the practical one. And even if you only render and comp in the lights, it can still feel janky if the cg double doesn’t match well
@@bmk1102 yeah, you now not only need to perfectly match the head movement, but every other body part as well. if you do the suit full cgi end comp out the mocap, it is way easier and probably cheaper as well.
I always loved the suit design. The glowing emblem with the viens glowing throughout the suit was so cool! Had they lighted the environment and his face better it would have looked better.
Could they really not make a practical translucent suit with controlled green LEDs or fiber optics? That would have been hella amazing. Doesnt have to be as thick as the Superman Lives costume, but in a similar vein?
Hey, just found your channel and just wanted to say loving your content so far! Seeing your Spider-Man 2 video compare practical effects and CGI when used in conjunction, I'd love if you did a video on Real Steel
I know I'm in the extreme minority here....but I didn't actually dislike the movie. Not gonna be on my list of favorites or anything, but I don't mind it for a casual watch.
I don't get what's wrong with the iron man "floating head" because it looks like he put spandex or whatever on the inside so its not just skin rubbing on metal.
If the reason they chose the full cgi suit was for an alien look and do interesting things with the lighting effects on the suit, why didn't they just do a cloth suit with a cgi overlay for the effects? As you point out the constructs look really good and they work with the look of the cgi, if the suit was practical and had those effects on it I think you'd still have those connections and would look great
If they had green bulbs of light on the suit as well it'd light up the faces of characters, making it seem more real... O wait. Green suit, greenscreen... I think I get why they didn't have a suit and green light. Tho bluescreens are a thing. 🤔
I honestly think you missed the (imo) biggest problem: that the suit isnt based in reality. Staynes armor is very grounded, detailed in ways that not only the vfx artists but the audience too were very familiar with. With the energy suit theres nothing to sort of compare it to real life, so it sticks out even more as just being fake
I think the only thing that makes the suit and constructs feel disconnected to people is the lack of green bounced light on the face. They seem to radiate light, but none of the light appears on the actors or environment.
It makes sense to use a cgi suit though. The suit is a construct like all the other ring constructs. It makes sense to have it look consistent with all the effects.
tbh, i rarely actually even noticed the CGI blunders in many of the movies mentioned. i guess a big part of it was that i wasn't exactly looking out for it, but another aspect of it was that i was able to immerse myself into the movies and look past the technical flaws
I, to this day, don’t understand why this movie got so much hate. Maybe it’s because I saw it through the eyes of a child but it was one of my favorite movies as a kid. Maybe I should rewatch it as an adult.
On a side note. I remember walking away from this movie feeling like the movie they wanted to make was the Yellow Lanterns Vs the Green Lanterns but they needed to make this movie first to set the scene. The villains make the hero and the villains in this movie feel cobbled together. Vector Hammond felt like he was only there because the audience wouldn't connect with a giant floating CGI head that was Parrallax. Meanwhile, Sinestro was set up to be a sequel villain with real motive and depth.
I was going into emergency surgery and this was on the TV in the room while I waited. I got a big kick out of the idea that Ryan Reynolds as Green Lantern could be one of the last things I ever see.
I applaud you for defending CG artists, whose work mostly falls short due to decisions made by people not associated with the visual effects companies. Regardless of the flaws, I never understood the criticism of the suit. There are plenty of elements deserving of criticism for the movie (💩☁), but in my opinion the suit isn't one of them. As you stated it was energy formed into a suit. As such it wasn't physical material clinging to his body, so the justification for the wonky definition is that the suit looked like Hal's mental idea of what it should look like. From your research it seems they actually tried materials and techniques to create a physical suit and simply couldn't make it work.
I always genuinely thought the CGI in this movie was truly sick. You can always notice a new detail that you didn't see before with the alien lanterns, in Oa, or with the ligthbuildings.
I enjoyed the green lantern. Your watching a comic book the outfit wasn't that bad. My problem is the smokey cloud villain. There was many yrs of lantern stories to pick from or make the villain different.
Fun fact the green lanterns themselves are a manifestation of will, and I imagine the CGI artists must of had some will of their own to get through all this crap
Hal is notorious for being unimaginative with his constructs, so they got that accurate in the film. Constructs are convoluted as hell anyway a bunch of characters construct things they couldnt possibly imagine in detail
What the youtuber said: "Bla blabla bl bla bla bla CGI blabla" What I heard: So you telling me there's a chance Ryan gonna do a reshooting/remastering/remaking of the movie ? NEAT!
I thought it was genuinely pretty good. Like, when I was a kid I thought it was pretty cool and looking back now, the concept of the idea of the suit and end result was still pretty solid
I always liked green lantern growing up I straight up watched Ryan Reynolds jump from character to character and it’s crazy how far he’s gone starting from Origins
Thank you for making this video! It's been 13 years I think since I first watched this movie as a teen and my opinion is still the same. The cgi looked amazing and it still does! Your video proves it without a doupt.
If it had been me in charge of the green lantern movie, i would have had REAL PHYSICAL COSTUMES that could then have CGI used over them to just "enhance" what they looked like. That way when the character was standing there not doing anything, it would be just a regular normal suit, but then get enhanced with CGI whenever they were doing something like flying or fighting. THAT would have made it look SO MUCH BETTER and real.
Great video! Yes the special effects can look wonky sometimes but it'd be excusable if it was in a great movie. But the main issue of Green Lantern is not the CGI. For me it's the pacing , the storytelling and the cut of the movie.
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This is the first video I’ve ever been really nervous to post because it’s my first time addressing some “bad” CGI - Although, I’ve tried to be really fair to it.
I also really enjoyed the second half of this video where we discussed all the pros of a CGI suit because those certainly have been overlooked for many years - Especially all of the Lantern Corps stuff. I think that was really impressive and for sure deserves more credit.
But yea, how do you guys feel about this suit? Did this video change your opinion on it at all? Or is it still bad 😂
i saw the movie as a kid, i thought the suit was awesome
All I have to say. When you’re 9 years old. You don’t really care. I loved this movie when it came out. But I can see how an actor can hate it. I think they did great on blending the cgi with the heads. Forget about the ability to form anything you want.
great movie. RR doesn't make bad movies.
No you could have just used a practical suit and then adjusted the luminence in post. This way you could combine the advantages of both. I really don't get why on earth you would do comstumes in CG at all. Just go practical. The actor has actually something to touch and you get a reference for the lighting like Corridor Crew often point out.
They give Tom Holland a real suit and then replace it. Probably because they didn't like some creases. What utter nonsense. That is why movies look to clean nowdays. There is actually a video with that exact title here that hits the nail on the head. Realism means dirt and imperfections. I'd rather have a suit that has some creases than this the typical Marvel CG junk. Yes it looks realistic. But I couldn't care less.
Another huge problem is that the suit is supposed to be glowing but there's no green light reflecting on his face or his surroundings. That's why his head and body don't look connected.
I agree, adding some actual green LEDs to the mocap suit would have helped tremendously. I'll say this for the movie, the director's cut is nowhere near as bad as theatrical. They cut some really good scenes.
Damn it! I never noticed this before and now it's all I can see in every scene even on the all cgi characters lmao smh
It was an issue lightsabers had before the started using practical LED’S.
Good point. I liked the movie, (with a minor cringe or two) and had to explain numerous times to the clueless, the suit is comprised of pure energy, not solid fabric, which is why they opted for CGI. However while I thought the suit was passable in that context, yes, a glow would probably have enhanced the illusion.
Exactly! There needs to be more light emanating from the suit, or (which would be much easier) way more ambient light effecting the suit.
When you see the CGI quality of The Flash and most MCU Phase 4 and 5 projects... you must give a pardon to Green Lantern
not only a pardon, a compensation awards might be
how about nooo
I'll just come out and say it: this movie's problem is not the CGI, it's the story itself.
The crazy thing is, and I know a lot of people say this about every movie with a director's cut, a lot of the story problems aren't in the director's cut. It takes the movie from a 5 to at least a solid 7.
@@Cotygeek Might watch it later, been a while since I last saw it!
Yup… the cgi is actually great here… the story not so much..
It basic. Mid. Offers nothing to remember. The villain is the worst part.
@Agent-57 yeah, it also didn't have a major moment where we see why the ring chose Hal. Never gave us a moment where he does something impossible with will power.
I kid you not, I could never see the problem with the Green Lantern suit. Sure, it can look weird at times, but it never bothered me that much. It's crazy though how it looks a lot better than CGI in some modern films.🤔
I agree. I mean, if i really started dissecting every frame of the movie it might start to break down, but i never really looked that hard. My problems with the movie were in the script, not the visuals.
My problem with the suit was that it looked too tight, like someone repainted his skin to look like the suit instead of him actually wearing the suit. His mask was even worse, it especially looked like some painted his skin with a green plastic texture. It didn't look like the mask was on top of his skin, it looked like it was in his skin.
Agreed - watched »Green Lantern« four times, liked it (as I liked the Ironman stuff any other popcorn flicks), never thought there was any problem with heads »floating« on suits.
@@33pandagamer That was kind of the point
That's because there's an increasing problem with modern films trying to do their CGI work within very tight timeframes. Apparently the Black Panther vs Killmonger final fight (which is almost entirely CG) was put together in a couple of months by a studio that was also crunched with other work.
The expectations put on CGI studios is insane, and they're still the ones audiences point the fingers at when the CGI turns out impressively decent under the circumstances rather than amazing, instead of pointing the blame at poor planning by the film studio, where it belongs.
Funny thing about the iron man “floating head” is that I actually saw a cosplayer on Reddit who talked about how people kept saying she photoshopped her face onto armor…
She kept insisting her and her bf made the armor, 3D printed and custom fitted and everything… the issue is that the metallic paint of the full body armor without the helmet creates an odd effect where the armor and head appear to be lit completely differently. Thats what makes it look fake, is the mismatched lighting. She literally had the Iron Man effect in real legit armor anyway!
The people in the Reddit thread were talking about how the CG artists probably used light simulation and made the suit look real, but not right. There’s a difference. Sometimes CGI has to fudge things because our eye is so used to a certain look, like Hollywoo explosions and stuff.. so instead of making it “look right” they made it “look real” but the problem is that in that specific situation, “real” looks fake because of a trick of the light! Haha
So this girl made a few posts showing the armor being made, and how they took the photos and inside with harsh lighting it looks fine… outside in softer daylight it immediately started looking like a fake floating head stuck on armor. But a cool thing was that by removing one sleeve of armor, the effect goes away.. it gave our brain another reference for human skin and shadows and lighting and it seemed much less fake!
Our brains are so weird… light is so weird. It’s so complicated and small things can mess with our perception of what’s real, or what looks “wrong” to us even if we can’t explain what or why it feels wrong…
as an artist who uses references it’s so weirdly interesting seeing how differently skin reacts to lightning when compared with clothing or in this case armour. Like there’s so many different effects going on at all times like sub surface scattering making skin look like it’s glowing and bounced lighting changing shadow colours, it gets really hard to make it a cohesive piece
That's actually really interesting.
Do you have a link to this? Curious how the cosplay looks like
For me it's photography. I had my family members and friends thinking that some of my outstanding pictures are photoshoped. Yes, I love to make silly images as joke but it's funny and sad when people think you manipulated the few pictures that you honestly captured at the right time and near perfect lighting condition that the image looked far too beautiful or surreal to be real.
Name of cosplayer?
That bit about that alien flying as if he was swimming while Reynold's character flies rigidly like a jet blew my mind. What an amazing detail!
Yeah it would’ve been nice if you put timestamp.
@@digitaldazzle5836I mean, its not really missable if u watch the video 14:28
@@digitaldazzle5836 for future viewers its in the "lantern corps segment" starting at 14:11
@@digitaldazzle5836 @ 14:30
@@digitaldazzle5836 14:30
It definitely wasn't a CGI issue, it was a story and art direction issue
Exactly!
The story. The fucking story. I was sold with Ryan Reynolds’s as Green Lantern, but after leaving OA the movie is just really bad story to a charismatic character.
Why did Hollywood have to keep making the big bad into a fart cloud back in the day? LoL
@@ME-yb2lm CGI budgets. It's always in movies with too much VFX shots elsewhere (like this and Rise of the Silver Surfer)
I 100% agree! Re-watching as an adult now, the bad story direction was what made it a hard watch. Like the toby Spiderman movies, but I'll stop there... 😬
Constructs were really interesting. There were SO MANY that none were art directed before they got to comp. We would get EVERY energy pass they came up with and everyone would look dev a single construct, then the best design would win. My look of the brick wall was used in the training scene. Might not seem like much, BUT it was the only non-glossy construct so it was fun to create something that still fit in the world but was technically different.
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People give it a lot of crap but it's literally the greatest live action Green Lantern movie ever made.
It's the only live action Green Lantern movie ever made.
@@santos8468 😂 I'm not wrong
@@twopintsofmilk But you can't call it the best because there is nothing else to compare it to.
@@santos8468 it's the best because there are none better than it. It's also the worst because there are none worse than it.
My comment was for the algo and the LOLS(small lol in this case 😢)
@@santos8468 you don't say...
My personal belief is that for 80 to 90% of the shots in the suit, all they needed to do was to give him a green aura around a spandex outfit.
With Ryan Reynolds trying to make every possible joke with Green Lantern and the General Public hating on the movie, I'll say this: This movie was the only movie we had at home on DVD and we used to watch this movie over and over again. I just liked the movie and I loved to watch the action scenes over and over again.....
Ryan Reynolds can be so unfunny sometimes. it's not coincidence his movies are always average or straight up bad
I have treat he’s it many times as well and not just be aide it was all I had available. It’s fun entertainment. People just like having stuff to complain about!
1000% if Reynolds didn't try to keep milking the GL joke throughout his career, the movie wouldn't be nearly as hated. It was never amazing, but people just pilled on it
@@wheeler6768agreed, he even killed himself in Deadpool 2 when he was about to read the Green Lantern script. Didn't he meet his wife filming this movie? He acts like this is his worst failure.
@@lelecoleco_bangu6924 he is one of the funniest guys actually and really gifted when it comes to jokes, their delivery and timing! pure genious! He stands out!
The idea that it was the worst cg ever is absurd. The suit itself looked amazing, even if it didn’t blend perfectly with Ryan’s head. If the film had been better, nobody would have cared about the imperfect cg.
These types of comments really make me happy. We put so much work into this movie and when it came out it was panned. I get it, I've worked on plenty of crap, but this one was special for me. It was my first time working on a mega budget film.
@@RichardServello I really liked this movie. Not only CGI part , story was also pretty good for me. The most amazing part is constructs were actually constructs and not some space magic effects. Many Green Lanterns just use a green dust going around instead of guns/bombs/shields.
@@RichardServellothe CGI was good for GL and felt it worked for the suit as it is just a construct made from the green light of will emitted from the ring. The guardians could have used another couple of weeks they seems like they did not get as much time as needed.
@@RichardServello regardless of the public response, you should still be proud of this, a CG suit like this was super ambitious for a 2011 movie, and the fact that it looked as good as it did throughout the movie is really impressive. It's not perfect, but the general response is definitely excessive, I think most people just jumped on the hate train because it was the popular thing to do. I really enjoyed the movie and the suit as a kid
@@RichardServello I never had any issues with the CGI. I've always thought it looked cool with the energy suit. But the floating head problem caused by a disconnect in the lighting really is unfortunate. So it's quite disheartening how Ryan Reynolds keep putting all the blame on that. He seems like a true history revisionist. Same thing he did to Deadpool in X-Men Origins: Wolverine. Apparently he didn't know the character(?) he signed on to play THAT version and then when it was panned he put all the blame on the producer/director/concept artists. And of course, they are to blame as it's ultimately their vision for these things, but he did agree to play THAT character. Maybe he should've read a Deadpool comic before. And then when it seems he ultimately did, the real Deadpool came along. But I'm not a fan of Reynolds at all. Not an interesting actor and he isn't even that funny
Shoulda had a real suit for reference that was painted over with whatever CGI they needed.
That would have helped...A LOT. Also didn't help that a lot of the blue screen shots were dark and magenta and several of the green screens were yellow. Overall production was less than stellar and gave us more than a few headaches!
@@RichardServello were you someone that worked on the vfx of the movie?
they didn't have the tech to just CGI over anything back then, like they do now. You had to wear either a mo-cap suit, or a blue or green screen suit.
This movie isn't among the best superhero movies of all time, but it certainly isn't as bad as people make it out to be. I think it's fun.
I think it beats out the Fantastic four movies. They aren't even the worst themselves but they certainly could have been better. GL was a perfectly good movie. If a lil wonky.
My uncle who was a huge green lantern fan took me to see this movie before his condition got worse and while it’s not the greatest it has a special place in my heart. Thank you for bringing positivity to this movie!
i worked as a 3d animator when i was younger, never thought the cg was bad
Same, dude. I'm an animator now and I feel like an idiot because I can't see what's wrong with the suit.
same here I always thought it was really well done!!
I thought it was amazing
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Very surprised to see so many of my shots in this review. That's rare when someone does a deep dive into one of my shows.
For years I believed I was the only soul that didn't hate this movie. Yes, it had a bad script and the CGI was noticeable, but I always praised their character design and world building. One of the scenes that stuck in my head since I watched it, was when we got to see all the lanterns and see the alien design with their unique suit/armors. But outside from Hal Jordan and Parallax, the concept and consistency with the lanterns was truly enjoyable for me and I respect the ambition and their efforts.
TBH I think this movie became one of those memes that everyone knows they must trash on it because it's fun.
A big thing in Wonderlands favor is the stylization, which is purposefully uncanny, where green lantern is supposed to be set in the “real world”
I mean ngl I liked the movie and didnt really mind the CGI
Same. It seems like everyone’s complaints with this movie are them comparing this to what could have been (with the script being leaked earlier into production, or people wanting a physical suit) as opposed to just judging it for what it is.
It’s not a great movie by any means, but everyone treats it like it’s unwatchable, it’s just fine.
I don't know why everyone in the internet hated this particular movie.
Same.
@@basti.9022 I've been a fan of Green Lantern since I was a little kid in the late 80'-90's, not a superfan I just know about the lore and stuff. Reynolds campy acting style ruined the character, good for Deadpool, bad for Green Lantern. Also making the movie an origin story that's pretty hard to fit into a couple hours, especially when they also squeeze in the Parallax character, which was actually the end of the Hal Jordan era before it was rebooted in comics. They made a movie with the origin, the death, and the reboot of Hal Jordan rewritten into one and it's a MESS. On top of that, they used childish elements of the comics as far as his powers and heroic feats. As if making the movie for a demographic that's not even going to be interested in that character. And that's why people say it's bad. As a stand-alone movie it's passable but it got dragged by the fans.
I loved the movie
This is the first video I'm watching on your channel and I just wanted to say what a fucking refreshing video this is.
With all the negativity on the internet, being able to pull up something universally hated and being able to see through it and pull out the positives and the effort of the crew from it is amazing!
Thanks for this and if you ever read this, hope you have a great day!
never understood the hate it got i thought it was fine and the CGI was fine if not good
This movie is a lot better when you don’t have someone next to you telling you it’s bad.
@@JamesDeanLPyeah i realy enjoy it when watching it the first time, i mean it was cheesy but it had that charm of the early superhero movies
"CGI" is the go-to complaint when people just want to turn off their brains and regurgitate a popular albeit nonsensical sentiment
People who hate on the use of CGI in a freakin SUPERHERO MOVIE are just... Fake comic fans at BEST. CGI is the best way to transfer that comic feel to the big screen when it comes to heroes with actual super powers
None hated the "CGI" (whatever the buzzword means), they hated the portrayal of the suit and the story.
@@IIARROWS No. See my statement because the suit looks straight even for today. Its definitely better than mostly anything from Marvel Phase 4
Dude, thank you for doing this. After 13 years this show is finally getting some love. :)
0:49 Hell no! When it came out, I enjoyed it, (with a minor cringe or two) and spent a few moments in homes, bars explaining why the suit was as it was. WHICH IS NOT THAT FRIGGING BAD IN THE CONTEXT, THAT THEY WENT WITH CGI BECAUSE THE SUITE IS COMPOSED OF LANTERN ENERGY AND NOT A FABRIC AND NOT SUPPOSED TO LOOK SOLID!
Yeah, when i first heard they were planning on doing a full CGI suit, I was imagining something more visually interesting like having the lantern logo projected in front of their chest like in the comics. What they gave us could have been accomplished better with practical light-up suits like in Tron Legacy (which came out the year before). Then, even if they needed to touch something up, they would have had better reference footage, and ambient green light on everything in the area.
I LOVE the effect. The green lantern costume is not a costume. Its SUPPOSED to be created by the ring. Its not actually clothes. In every version I know, its his ring making the skin tight outfit.
So making it just fit as basically part of his skin, is perfectttttt snd exactly how it should be done
Nope! I'll "die on the hill" that the production design was A++ and it made sense that his suit is a CGI suit because it's a RING CONSTRUCT in the comics.
While you're 100% correct about the fact IT'S SUPPOSED TO LOOK UNCANNY, you have to realize that this film was made in order to bring the hero to WIDER AUDIENCES. What they should have done is have Hal Jordan make a "Human Spider" tier suit, then through sheer willpower alone have that uncanny suit manifest upon him. Would have really helped out on character development, helped the audience see the uncanny suit as an upgrade, as well as being able to sneak in some goofy jokes/references.
Won't lie, I know I just typed the "wider audience" blasphemy spiel. What I'm trying to point out is that they failed at their true intentions.
IMO having at least one character acknowledge the suit/constructs looking weird because they're basically imagination brought to life by the ring would have gone a long way to getting people to have the CGI less.
So many people on the films release complained that the ring constructs didn't look realistic, when of course that was never the goal.
If viewers all heard it in universe that the constructs are supposed to look like they're somehow less than real it'd help with that.
It's 100% a having a nice idea, but lacking the ability to put it across effectively.
And yet in 90% of comics the GL uniform doesn't look any different than any other hero's costume.
@@Cr3zant So what? In 90% of comics ever made Batman and Superman look like they are wearing satin bootyshorts....should they do that on film?
So I'm in the process of making my first feature length and watching this really did change my opinion of the movie. I appreciate the new perspective and that's a lot of true things to consider in practice. It's not easy. Love the channel, man
Thank you for doing this. I've honestly never understood the hate this film gets. I think it's quite good and the cgi works well imo because the whole green lantern power is making these constructs. It makes perfect sense that the suit would match that, and I've never had a problem suspending disbelief watching this films. And it's one of the few superhero films that I don't mind rewatching many times. Plus the whole Green Lantern theme of conquering fear is great.
As a result of watching this video, I had a dream last night where Ryan Reynalds became my roommate and I was hanging out with him for a few weeks and the entire time he was kinda rude and didn’t like me but he was also really insecure about being in green lantern so I spent the time trying to convince him that green lantern wasn’t actually THAT bad of a movie and he shouldn’t be so hard on himself especially when the problems with the movie weren’t his fault. Over the time he grew to be a bit kinder to me and to himself
Even though it was considered bad at the time, the CGI Suits don't actually look that bad and haven't gotten much worse as time goes on. It was moreso the disconnect between how Ryan's head and the Suit moved. The body actually blends in with the footage fairly well at times and it's really only the Mask that constantly looks horrible. Now I am being loose with the term "blends in" because it's constantly glowing & reminding you that it's fake but the alien GLs do look like they're in the scenes. When they're not attaching a real head to it, the CGI Suits work.
So rather than a full CGI Suit, they should've had a practical suit that was just the dark greens and then add the highlights & glowing with CGI. Even if they'd end up replacing the whole thing with CGI, the animators would've had better reference footage if Ryan wore a tight suit. At least we're able to learn from it, like I never noticed that the movement at the bottom of the neck was why it's easy to tell when a real head is placed on top of CGI. It explains why that part is usually hidden like with Iron Man.
On a side note, was there even an explanation for why his eyes turn Blue when wearing the suit? I'm assuming the character had blue eyes in the comics and this was a way to pay homage but the constant color change looks bad and makes the CGI mask even more unbelievable when Ryan's eyes are being edited too.
Even just having a real collar could have saved so much labor. That said it would have entailed some compromise of not looking as otherwordly, not as much like a perfect second skin.
Yeah I had that thought a few minutes into the video and couldn't not think it. A practical suit with the same effects would look much better. I also don't think the suit looks that bad, my big thing is the mask. It's too small and tight
His eye turn blue to mimick the way he looks in the comic where his eyes are pure white when he wears the domino mask, I guess it was a middle ground because they figured completely white eyes in live action was too creepy for kids or something
@@maximeteppe7627 The neck was a MAJOR pain point. Often we would have to warp it manually to get it to line up with the plate.
I never Hated Green Lantern Movie... better CGI than The Flash movie...
I've honestly liked this movie since it came out and even have the art book where you can see ultra HQ images of the different corps members. It's pretty funny to hear people rag on the cgi in it, particularly the suit. I still maintain that the vfx team did an incredible job and people only say it looks terrible because they know it's cgi going in. A really strong case I feel for it was just a personal experience I had where I was watching the deleted scenes that have no finished vfx work on them so it was just Ryan and Mark Strong in the mocap suits talking. My mother happened to walk through the room at the time and said "what are they wearing?" I had to explain that the suits in the film proper were fully cgi and she'd watched that with me in the past. Just never realized.
When i watched this movie, i actually like the details they give to the background and like this dude said the constructs.
Y'know, looking back at these clips, I genuinely think the biggest visual problem with the suits is the colour grading - the green is *way* too heavily saturated to look tangible next to the live-action elements.
Any shot with a primarily digital environment, the suits look great, but in shots where they're the only digital element (especially darker or backlit ones) the luminance of the green is way too high to look like it fits in with the rest of the shot.
I remember Corridor Crew mentioning a similar issue in the original live action Sonic trailer - his fur's so intensely blue that it doesn't look like it's reacting to the ambient light enough
a spandex suit with embedded green leds would've worked wonders, and the compromise on the vision they had would've paid off
CGY thirsthing for ryan simply made my day cant blame ya in the slightest
I'm only human 🤤😅
@@CGWHY You don't even need to be a hooman for that.
@@ordinarryalien Even aliens understand the charm of Ryan.
@@mr.zombzo We do. 😏👽💚
@@CGWHY if you complement green lantern in front of Ryan how would he react?
Oh, another little bit of insider info. The rooftop scene was a reshoot WAY into post production. Ryan was in Africa shooting another movie that he had to shave his head for. The entire sequence was shot in a hotel room drapped with green fabric. He was wearing a TERRIBLE wig, which was subsequently replaced by CG. I had one shot in that sequence...it looks SO BAD. LOL. In case you didn't know :)
Ironically, his super suit is also animated in deadpool. Actually his entire character is animated in deadpool.
So, it's not a stuntman in that suit?
That's how they got his eyes to emote.
@@pingaswingas1 The eyes were actually pretty simple! Rather than using CGI eyes layered on top of the suit, they simply stretched and squashed the eyes of the suit in Photoshop!
yea but like you dont really see his head so its lowk easier to animate
@@santos8468it is?
Honestly, you're blowing my mind. This whole time I thought it was a skin suit with a glow effect layered on. It really is impressive when you break it down!
unironically love this movie. it also gave us possibly the most beautiful Barbie face ever created with the carol ferris doll. Not to mention bringing blake and ryan together. 💜
Anytime you don't see Ryan's face he's fully CG. We would have a butt reel every week of all the shots that were from behind to not have to deal with footage.
I never had an issue with the suit. I think they did an amazing job
i always liked it. it looks "otherworldly". and i'm actually something of a VFX artist myself :D i just don't think the GL suit is that bad. i think a lot of people see something "different" and their only interpretation is "bad".
5:22 ayo... What??? 🤨🤨🤨
I think how good a movie is should not be based on the cgi and the effects, but on the story
I liked this Green Lantern movie and its computer graphics. It was cool. 😎
Based. 🌐😎
The CGI in this film was great. The problems with the film were the pacing, the writing, the lack of more action showcasing the powers, it's a whole lot of fluff that isn't about Green Lantern doing Green Lantern things.
Similar case with CATS if the movie fails, the VFX gets the blame
It's easier to blame us than production. We've always been the easier punching bag.
As a 3d artist myself at that time, I understood better than most the sheer amount of sweat and cutting-edge FX work went into Green Lantern. As a longtime Lantern fan, I was also disappointed with the overall result of the suit, while also recognizing the technical hurdles they overcame to get it there. It was definitely ambitious, but those are the kinds of people that push technology forward.
The CG work (suit included) was NOT the problem with that movie. Been saying this for years.
Not gonna lie, I've kinda always been okay with the CGI suit.
1) It's the first time they've tried doing the GL suit in live action (to my knowledge)
and
2) How else did you think they were gonna make it. it's a suit made out of energy that's in a CGI world, its gonna look a little weird.
What they should do in the future though, is to have a practical suit that they can use and add CGI effects to in post. A mocap suit can be used when the suit is being put on or taken off.
or adapt Alan Scott's Green Lantern, his suit is literally.. a suit
Gotta remember hal Jordan wasn’t the only character they would have needed to do this for.
Saw another one of my shots! I always love when my old shows get revisited :)
0:30 it blows my mind how so much more CHI is used than you would ever imagine in Marvel movies. Like why not just make physical suits for the actors? It would cost WAY less time and money to do that, instead of CGI-ing in the suits. Completely unnecessary for them to do that.
Yeah I never knew so much shit was cgi'd just seems really inefficient
For endgame they didn't have the suits completed in time for shooting so it was either day and waste money or shoot it and make the CGI suits
It’s just like DEI stuff. They think they are innovators who need to get ahead on things so they’ll try the things anyone with an active brain stem would say is ridiculous and ineffective so when that ONE thing sticks to the wall they can say they spearheaded that for everyone else. A lot of these big corporate investors especially in entertainment and technology have a “legacy complex” ig you could call it and you can’t convince me that’s not the biggest of the many factors. They want to be the ones who makes the next thing that works better. Instead of focusing on making a good movie.
Weirdly enough, my problem was never with the CGI of the suit. I was used to the 90's CGI, so I actually found that part somewhat impressive. It was the plot of the movie that I feel was the bigger failure to me. They set up several plot threads that felt like they'd be better served over longer story arcs and instead of doing the pacing to match, decided to squish the entire thing into one movie that felt rushed and didn't have the chance to really grow into itself.
I have a DVD copy of it that I save for nights with friends, usually for MST3K type riffing.
it should be compared with the iron spider suit from infinity war
The Iron Spider suit covers his head mostly of the time, and don't mark his body muscles, so i don't think is comparable. Bcs once they cover Tom Holland's face, it's just 100% CGI body without need to blend with a real person. Ryan's face was always visible.
0:36, the Iron Man and War Machine suits aren’t bad
It wasnt even the muscle movements and all that that made the cgi look bad. It was the fact that cgi didnt even look that realistic back then so doing half and half just never looked right. The head looks way to real compared to his suit because it was his real head. It wasnt a bad movie necessarily, it was just way too overambitious for its time. 11:40 is a great example
Thanks for defending it... it was one of my first films I've ever worked on, lol.
Think of how much money and how many skilled artists worked in service of this suit, and wonder why the heck they didn't put just a little more time and effort into the script.
We had the entire building in Culver filled with artists AND the building in the culver studios lot next door. We also had a facility in New Mexico. Smurfs was going at the same time so we had to have an additional render farm brought into the parking lot in trucks! Power outages also happened often.
honestly the suit is the easiest to meme on, but the VFX is probably the best part i love how they made the suits unique ... the actual movie though? yeah it wasn't very good.
& yeah as another person in the comments pointed out, the fact that there's no actual green light makes it blend less; so yeah maybe they could have used physical suits with green LEDs for the filming & add the CGI on top
It's fascinating how they insisted on having the suit be fully CGI instead of just using a real one and using CGI to then add all those energy effects.
Most problems like this shouldn't even be problems. When they are, it means your approach is wrong.
sometimes over budget is problem
I was gonna comment the same thing
That wouldn’t really make the process simpler. In orther to add the light effects, they’d still need to make a full cg suit to match the movements of the practical one. And even if you only render and comp in the lights, it can still feel janky if the cg double doesn’t match well
@@bmk1102 yeah, you now not only need to perfectly match the head movement, but every other body part as well. if you do the suit full cgi end comp out the mocap, it is way easier and probably cheaper as well.
That was the fault of a bad vfx sup that didn't know what she was doing.
I always loved the suit design. The glowing emblem with the viens glowing throughout the suit was so cool! Had they lighted the environment and his face better it would have looked better.
The cgi of this movie is unironically better than like half the MCU movies in the last 2 years or so
Could they really not make a practical translucent suit with controlled green LEDs or fiber optics? That would have been hella amazing. Doesnt have to be as thick as the Superman Lives costume, but in a similar vein?
“I lied to you too. See the thing is, you have to be chosen”
I genuinely did internally cheer at that moment.
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Seeing your Spider-Man 2 video compare practical effects and CGI when used in conjunction, I'd love if you did a video on Real Steel
>"Modern movies"
Shows a movie from almost a decade ago and only 5 years older than GL.
So u think it's old😅
Honestly, I don't get how else people expected a suit made of light to look like.
I know I'm in the extreme minority here....but I didn't actually dislike the movie. Not gonna be on my list of favorites or anything, but I don't mind it for a casual watch.
I don't get what's wrong with the iron man "floating head" because it looks like he put spandex or whatever on the inside so its not just skin rubbing on metal.
I think most people would have happily overlooked the CGI shortcomings if the movie had been.. well.. good.
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If the reason they chose the full cgi suit was for an alien look and do interesting things with the lighting effects on the suit, why didn't they just do a cloth suit with a cgi overlay for the effects? As you point out the constructs look really good and they work with the look of the cgi, if the suit was practical and had those effects on it I think you'd still have those connections and would look great
If they had green bulbs of light on the suit as well it'd light up the faces of characters, making it seem more real... O wait. Green suit, greenscreen... I think I get why they didn't have a suit and green light.
Tho bluescreens are a thing. 🤔
My favourite joke in the show is when Hal's girlfriend figures out it's him "I can see your CHEEKBONES!" XD
I honestly think you missed the (imo) biggest problem: that the suit isnt based in reality. Staynes armor is very grounded, detailed in ways that not only the vfx artists but the audience too were very familiar with. With the energy suit theres nothing to sort of compare it to real life, so it sticks out even more as just being fake
I think the only thing that makes the suit and constructs feel disconnected to people is the lack of green bounced light on the face. They seem to radiate light, but none of the light appears on the actors or environment.
I've always enjoyed how this is the only movie of its kind where a scientist freaks out at the implications of aliens being so human-like.
It makes sense to use a cgi suit though. The suit is a construct like all the other ring constructs. It makes sense to have it look consistent with all the effects.
I sincerely wish they got RYAN as GREEN LANTERN into the JUSTICE LEAGUE movie, i think that would have benefited everyone!!
Am i the only one who liked this movie?
I had no problem with the CGI costume.
tbh, i rarely actually even noticed the CGI blunders in many of the movies mentioned. i guess a big part of it was that i wasn't exactly looking out for it, but another aspect of it was that i was able to immerse myself into the movies and look past the technical flaws
have u not seen them shows on tv with superman n shii 0:10
I, to this day, don’t understand why this movie got so much hate. Maybe it’s because I saw it through the eyes of a child but it was one of my favorite movies as a kid. Maybe I should rewatch it as an adult.
They should have given him a real costume and added the light effects on it. That simple.
On a side note. I remember walking away from this movie feeling like the movie they wanted to make was the Yellow Lanterns Vs the Green Lanterns but they needed to make this movie first to set the scene.
The villains make the hero and the villains in this movie feel cobbled together. Vector Hammond felt like he was only there because the audience wouldn't connect with a giant floating CGI head that was Parrallax. Meanwhile, Sinestro was set up to be a sequel villain with real motive and depth.
I was going into emergency surgery and this was on the TV in the room while I waited. I got a big kick out of the idea that Ryan Reynolds as Green Lantern could be one of the last things I ever see.
I loved the CGI in this movie, idk why everyone hates it
I applaud you for defending CG artists, whose work mostly falls short due to decisions made by people not associated with the visual effects companies.
Regardless of the flaws, I never understood the criticism of the suit. There are plenty of elements deserving of criticism for the movie (💩☁), but in my opinion the suit isn't one of them. As you stated it was energy formed into a suit. As such it wasn't physical material clinging to his body, so the justification for the wonky definition is that the suit looked like Hal's mental idea of what it should look like. From your research it seems they actually tried materials and techniques to create a physical suit and simply couldn't make it work.
I always genuinely thought the CGI in this movie was truly sick. You can always notice a new detail that you didn't see before with the alien lanterns, in Oa, or with the ligthbuildings.
I enjoyed the green lantern. Your watching a comic book the outfit wasn't that bad.
My problem is the smokey cloud villain.
There was many yrs of lantern stories to pick from or make the villain different.
When you chose the wrong side of the argument in a college paper so you have to thug it out 🤣🤣
Fun fact the green lanterns themselves are a manifestation of will, and I imagine the CGI artists must of had some will of their own to get through all this crap
Hal is notorious for being unimaginative with his constructs, so they got that accurate in the film. Constructs are convoluted as hell anyway a bunch of characters construct things they couldnt possibly imagine in detail
What the youtuber said: "Bla blabla bl bla bla bla CGI blabla"
What I heard: So you telling me there's a chance Ryan gonna do a reshooting/remastering/remaking of the movie ? NEAT!
I thought it was genuinely pretty good. Like, when I was a kid I thought it was pretty cool and looking back now, the concept of the idea of the suit and end result was still pretty solid
I always liked green lantern growing up I straight up watched Ryan Reynolds jump from character to character and it’s crazy how far he’s gone starting from Origins
Thank you for making this video! It's been 13 years I think since I first watched this movie as a teen and my opinion is still the same. The cgi looked amazing and it still does! Your video proves it without a doupt.
If it had been me in charge of the green lantern movie, i would have had REAL PHYSICAL COSTUMES that could then have CGI used over them to just "enhance" what they looked like. That way when the character was standing there not doing anything, it would be just a regular normal suit, but then get enhanced with CGI whenever they were doing something like flying or fighting. THAT would have made it look SO MUCH BETTER and real.
Great video! Yes the special effects can look wonky sometimes but it'd be excusable if it was in a great movie.
But the main issue of Green Lantern is not the CGI. For me it's the pacing , the storytelling and the cut of the movie.