Unironically DEFENDING The CGI Of Green Lantern
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Despite having a budget comparable to many other visually appealing films of its era, the suit in 2011’s “Green Lantern” is widely regarded as one of the worst examples of CGI in cinematic history. It’s so bad that even the film’s star, Ryan Reynolds, takes every opportunity to mock the floating, CG-rendered head.
But is this criticism fair? Wobbly heads on a CG body were a persistent issue until the time-travel suits in “Avengers: Endgame.” Looking back at “Green Lantern” now, it’s nowhere near as bad as some recent examples we’ve seen. Moreover, “Green Lantern” had to maintain this effect throughout the entire film, whereas other examples couldn’t even manage it for a single shot!
In this video, I’ll be the first person in history to defend the CGI of “Green Lantern.” I’ll break down why this effect is so challenging and explore why the filmmakers decided to give their main character a fully CGI body for the entire film, rather than opting for spandex like other movies. We’ll also play devil’s advocate and consider how this single choice may have derailed various aspects of the film’s production, resulting in the somewhat peculiar final product.
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TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 - Intro
1:22 - Why Was The Suit CGI Anyway?
3:13 - Why Did They Think This Would Work?
3:45 - Soooo What Went Wrong?
5:04 - It's Gets Worse...
6:50 - Brilliant
8:31 - Getting The Neck To Work
10:18 - It's Gets EVEN Worse...
11:28 - Defending the Suit
12:52 - The Constructs
14:11 - The Lantern Corps
15:14 - Outro And Thanks
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This is the first video I’ve ever been really nervous to post because it’s my first time addressing some “bad” CGI - Although, I’ve tried to be really fair to it.
I also really enjoyed the second half of this video where we discussed all the pros of a CGI suit because those certainly have been overlooked for many years - Especially all of the Lantern Corps stuff. I think that was really impressive and for sure deserves more credit.
But yea, how do you guys feel about this suit? Did this video change your opinion on it at all? Or is it still bad 😂
Another huge problem is that the suit is supposed to be glowing but there's no green light reflecting on his face or his surroundings. That's why his head and body don't look connected.
I agree, adding some actual green LEDs to the mocap suit would have helped tremendously. I'll say this for the movie, the director's cut is nowhere near as bad as theatrical. They cut some really good scenes.
Damn it! I never noticed this before and now it's all I can see in every scene even on the all cgi characters lmao smh
It was an issue lightsabers had before the started using practical LED’S.
Good point. I liked the movie, (with a minor cringe or two) and had to explain numerous times to the clueless, the suit is comprised of pure energy, not solid fabric, which is why they opted for CGI. However while I thought the suit was passable in that context, yes, a glow would probably have enhanced the illusion.
Exactly! There needs to be more light emanating from the suit, or (which would be much easier) way more ambient light effecting the suit.
Honestly, the VFX of this movie isn't even that bad.. I've seen worst in the last few years for sure. It was just a bad movie overall
It's not a bad movie!
It could have been much better!
Honestly the movie wasn't that bad, sometimes it feels like DC movies get unnecessary hate for no reason
For years I've only heard bad things about this movie. Bad CGI, bad writing, bad movie.
A few years ago I finally decided to watch it and I couldn't see any of that. I genuinely enjoyed it.
The Mask looks really weird, but there are way more bad movies out there... some people expect that every movies has to top everything else...
Worst thing about this movie was the lack of imagination with what a Green Lantern could do with his powers. It wall mini-guns and F-16s or some crap. The only thing limiting a Green Lanterns powers is his imagination.
Sometimes it kinds of feels like he craps on his own movie to mimic the publics reaction. And the publics reaction was shaped by the critics. A Green Lantern movie would absolutely have to require a ton of CGI, and this movie wasn’t any better or worse than the MCU movies.
I'll just come out and say it: this movie's problem is not the CGI, it's the story itself.
The crazy thing is, and I know a lot of people say this about every movie with a director's cut, a lot of the story problems aren't in the director's cut. It takes the movie from a 5 to at least a solid 7.
@@Cotygeek Might watch it later, been a while since I last saw it!
Yup… the cgi is actually great here… the story not so much..
It basic. Mid. Offers nothing to remember. The villain is the worst part.
@Agent-57 yeah, it also didn't have a major moment where we see why the ring chose Hal. Never gave us a moment where he does something impossible with will power.
It definitely wasn't a CGI issue, it was a story and art direction issue
Exactly!
The story. The fucking story. I was sold with Ryan Reynolds’s as Green Lantern, but after leaving OA the movie is just really bad story to a charismatic character.
Why did Hollywood have to keep making the big bad into a fart cloud back in the day? LoL
@@ME-yb2lm CGI budgets. It's always in movies with too much VFX shots elsewhere (like this and Rise of the Silver Surfer)
I 100% agree! Re-watching as an adult now, the bad story direction was what made it a hard watch. Like the toby Spiderman movies, but I'll stop there... 😬
Funny thing about the iron man “floating head” is that I actually saw a cosplayer on Reddit who talked about how people kept saying she photoshopped her face onto armor…
She kept insisting her and her bf made the armor, 3D printed and custom fitted and everything… the issue is that the metallic paint of the full body armor without the helmet creates an odd effect where the armor and head appear to be lit completely differently. Thats what makes it look fake, is the mismatched lighting. She literally had the Iron Man effect in real legit armor anyway!
The people in the Reddit thread were talking about how the CG artists probably used light simulation and made the suit look real, but not right. There’s a difference. Sometimes CGI has to fudge things because our eye is so used to a certain look, like Hollywoo explosions and stuff.. so instead of making it “look right” they made it “look real” but the problem is that in that specific situation, “real” looks fake because of a trick of the light! Haha
So this girl made a few posts showing the armor being made, and how they took the photos and inside with harsh lighting it looks fine… outside in softer daylight it immediately started looking like a fake floating head stuck on armor. But a cool thing was that by removing one sleeve of armor, the effect goes away.. it gave our brain another reference for human skin and shadows and lighting and it seemed much less fake!
Our brains are so weird… light is so weird. It’s so complicated and small things can mess with our perception of what’s real, or what looks “wrong” to us even if we can’t explain what or why it feels wrong…
as an artist who uses references it’s so weirdly interesting seeing how differently skin reacts to lightning when compared with clothing or in this case armour. Like there’s so many different effects going on at all times like sub surface scattering making skin look like it’s glowing and bounced lighting changing shadow colours, it gets really hard to make it a cohesive piece
That's actually really interesting.
Do you have a link to this? Curious how the cosplay looks like
For me it's photography. I had my family members and friends thinking that some of my outstanding pictures are photoshoped. Yes, I love to make silly images as joke but it's funny and sad when people think you manipulated the few pictures that you honestly captured at the right time and near perfect lighting condition that the image looked far too beautiful or surreal to be real.
Name of cosplayer?
The idea that it was the worst cg ever is absurd. The suit itself looked amazing, even if it didn’t blend perfectly with Ryan’s head. If the film had been better, nobody would have cared about the imperfect cg.
These types of comments really make me happy. We put so much work into this movie and when it came out it was panned. I get it, I've worked on plenty of crap, but this one was special for me. It was my first time working on a mega budget film.
@@RichardServello I really liked this movie. Not only CGI part , story was also pretty good for me. The most amazing part is constructs were actually constructs and not some space magic effects. Many Green Lanterns just use a green dust going around instead of guns/bombs/shields.
@@RichardServellothe CGI was good for GL and felt it worked for the suit as it is just a construct made from the green light of will emitted from the ring. The guardians could have used another couple of weeks they seems like they did not get as much time as needed.
@@RichardServello regardless of the public response, you should still be proud of this, a CG suit like this was super ambitious for a 2011 movie, and the fact that it looked as good as it did throughout the movie is really impressive. It's not perfect, but the general response is definitely excessive, I think most people just jumped on the hate train because it was the popular thing to do. I really enjoyed the movie and the suit as a kid
@@RichardServello I never had any issues with the CGI. I've always thought it looked cool with the energy suit. But the floating head problem caused by a disconnect in the lighting really is unfortunate. So it's quite disheartening how Ryan Reynolds keep putting all the blame on that. He seems like a true history revisionist. Same thing he did to Deadpool in X-Men Origins: Wolverine. Apparently he didn't know the character(?) he signed on to play THAT version and then when it was panned he put all the blame on the producer/director/concept artists. And of course, they are to blame as it's ultimately their vision for these things, but he did agree to play THAT character. Maybe he should've read a Deadpool comic before. And then when it seems he ultimately did, the real Deadpool came along. But I'm not a fan of Reynolds at all. Not an interesting actor and he isn't even that funny
With Ryan Reynolds trying to make every possible joke with Green Lantern and the General Public hating on the movie, I'll say this: This movie was the only movie we had at home on DVD and we used to watch this movie over and over again. I just liked the movie and I loved to watch the action scenes over and over again.....
Ryan Reynolds can be so unfunny sometimes. it's not coincidence his movies are always average or straight up bad
I have treat he’s it many times as well and not just be aide it was all I had available. It’s fun entertainment. People just like having stuff to complain about!
1000% if Reynolds didn't try to keep milking the GL joke throughout his career, the movie wouldn't be nearly as hated. It was never amazing, but people just pilled on it
@@wheeler6768agreed, he even killed himself in Deadpool 2 when he was about to read the Green Lantern script. Didn't he meet his wife filming this movie? He acts like this is his worst failure.
This movie isn't among the best superhero movies of all time, but it certainly isn't as bad as people make it out to be. I think it's fun.
never understood the hate it got i thought it was fine and the CGI was fine if not good
This movie is a lot better when you don’t have someone next to you telling you it’s bad.
@@JamesDeanLPyeah i realy enjoy it when watching it the first time, i mean it was cheesy but it had that charm of the early superhero movies
"CGI" is the go-to complaint when people just want to turn off their brains and regurgitate a popular albeit nonsensical sentiment
People who hate on the use of CGI in a freakin SUPERHERO MOVIE are just... Fake comic fans at BEST. CGI is the best way to transfer that comic feel to the big screen when it comes to heroes with actual super powers
i worked as a 3d animator when i was younger, never thought the cg was bad
Same, dude. I'm an animator now and I feel like an idiot because I can't see what's wrong with the suit.
People give it a lot of crap but it's literally the greatest live action Green Lantern movie ever made.
It's the only live action Green Lantern movie ever made.
@@santos8468 😂 I'm not wrong
@@twopintsofmilk But you can't call it the best because there is nothing else to compare it to.
@@santos8468 it's the best because there are none better than it. It's also the worst because there are none worse than it.
My comment was for the algo and the LOLS(small lol in this case 😢)
@@santos8468 you don't say...
I mean ngl I liked the movie and didnt really mind the CGI
Same. It seems like everyone’s complaints with this movie are them comparing this to what could have been (with the script being leaked earlier into production, or people wanting a physical suit) as opposed to just judging it for what it is.
It’s not a great movie by any means, but everyone treats it like it’s unwatchable, it’s just fine.
I don't know why everyone in the internet hated this particular movie.
Same.
@@basti.9022 I've been a fan of Green Lantern since I was a little kid in the late 80'-90's, not a superfan I just know about the lore and stuff. Reynolds campy acting style ruined the character, good for Deadpool, bad for Green Lantern. Also making the movie an origin story that's pretty hard to fit into a couple hours, especially when they also squeeze in the Parallax character, which was actually the end of the Hal Jordan era before it was rebooted in comics. They made a movie with the origin, the death, and the reboot of Hal Jordan rewritten into one and it's a MESS. On top of that, they used childish elements of the comics as far as his powers and heroic feats. As if making the movie for a demographic that's not even going to be interested in that character. And that's why people say it's bad. As a stand-alone movie it's passable but it got dragged by the fans.
I loved the movie
Nope! I'll "die on the hill" that the production design was A++ and it made sense that his suit is a CGI suit because it's a RING CONSTRUCT in the comics.
While you're 100% correct about the fact IT'S SUPPOSED TO LOOK UNCANNY, you have to realize that this film was made in order to bring the hero to WIDER AUDIENCES. What they should have done is have Hal Jordan make a "Human Spider" tier suit, then through sheer willpower alone have that uncanny suit manifest upon him. Would have really helped out on character development, helped the audience see the uncanny suit as an upgrade, as well as being able to sneak in some goofy jokes/references.
Won't lie, I know I just typed the "wider audience" blasphemy spiel. What I'm trying to point out is that they failed at their true intentions.
Ironically, his super suit is also animated in deadpool. Actually his entire character is animated in deadpool.
So, it's not a stuntman in that suit?
That's how they got his eyes to emote.
@@pingaswingas1 The eyes were actually pretty simple! Rather than using CGI eyes layered on top of the suit, they simply stretched and squashed the eyes of the suit in Photoshop!
yea but like you dont really see his head so its lowk easier to animate
@@santos8468it is?
Constructs were really interesting. There were SO MANY that none were art directed before they got to comp. We would get EVERY energy pass they came up with and everyone would look dev a single construct, then the best design would win. My look of the brick wall was used in the training scene. Might not seem like much, BUT it was the only non-glossy construct so it was fun to create something that still fit in the world but was technically different.
CGY thirsthing for ryan simply made my day cant blame ya in the slightest
I'm only human 🤤😅
@@CGWHY You don't even need to be a hooman for that.
@@ordinarryalien Even aliens understand the charm of Ryan.
@@mr.zombzo We do. 😏👽💚
@@CGWHY if you complement green lantern in front of Ryan how would he react?
For years I believed I was the only soul that didn't hate this movie. Yes, it had a bad script and the CGI was noticeable, but I always praised their character design and world building. One of the scenes that stuck in my head since I watched it, was when we got to see all the lanterns and see the alien design with their unique suit/armors. But outside from Hal Jordan and Parallax, the concept and consistency with the lanterns was truly enjoyable for me and I respect the ambition and their efforts.
TBH I think this movie became one of those memes that everyone knows they must trash on it because it's fun.
When you see the CGI quality of The Flash and most MCU Phase 4 and 5 projects... you must give a pardon to Green Lantern
That bit about that alien flying as if he was swimming while Reynold's character flies rigidly like a jet blew my mind. What an amazing detail!
Even though it was considered bad at the time, the CGI Suits don't actually look that bad and haven't gotten much worse as time goes on. It was moreso the disconnect between how Ryan's head and the Suit moved. The body actually blends in with the footage fairly well at times and it's really only the Mask that constantly looks horrible. Now I am being loose with the term "blends in" because it's constantly glowing & reminding you that it's fake but the alien GLs do look like they're in the scenes. When they're not attaching a real head to it, the CGI Suits work.
So rather than a full CGI Suit, they should've had a practical suit that was just the dark greens and then add the highlights & glowing with CGI. Even if they'd end up replacing the whole thing with CGI, the animators would've had better reference footage if Ryan wore a tight suit. At least we're able to learn from it, like I never noticed that the movement at the bottom of the neck was why it's easy to tell when a real head is placed on top of CGI. It explains why that part is usually hidden like with Iron Man.
On a side note, was there even an explanation for why his eyes turn Blue when wearing the suit? I'm assuming the character had blue eyes in the comics and this was a way to pay homage but the constant color change looks bad and makes the CGI mask even more unbelievable when Ryan's eyes are being edited too.
Even just having a real collar could have saved so much labor. That said it would have entailed some compromise of not looking as otherwordly, not as much like a perfect second skin.
Yeah I had that thought a few minutes into the video and couldn't not think it. A practical suit with the same effects would look much better. I also don't think the suit looks that bad, my big thing is the mask. It's too small and tight
His eye turn blue to mimick the way he looks in the comic where his eyes are pure white when he wears the domino mask, I guess it was a middle ground because they figured completely white eyes in live action was too creepy for kids or something
@@maximeteppe7627 The neck was a MAJOR pain point. Often we would have to warp it manually to get it to line up with the plate.
Thank you for doing this. I've honestly never understood the hate this film gets. I think it's quite good and the cgi works well imo because the whole green lantern power is making these constructs. It makes perfect sense that the suit would match that, and I've never had a problem suspending disbelief watching this films. And it's one of the few superhero films that I don't mind rewatching many times. Plus the whole Green Lantern theme of conquering fear is great.
Not gonna lie, I've kinda always been okay with the CGI suit.
1) It's the first time they've tried doing the GL suit in live action (to my knowledge)
and
2) How else did you think they were gonna make it. it's a suit made out of energy that's in a CGI world, its gonna look a little weird.
What they should do in the future though, is to have a practical suit that they can use and add CGI effects to in post. A mocap suit can be used when the suit is being put on or taken off.
Shoulda had a real suit for reference that was painted over with whatever CGI they needed.
That would have helped...A LOT. Also didn't help that a lot of the blue screen shots were dark and magenta and several of the green screens were yellow. Overall production was less than stellar and gave us more than a few headaches!
I've honestly liked this movie since it came out and even have the art book where you can see ultra HQ images of the different corps members. It's pretty funny to hear people rag on the cgi in it, particularly the suit. I still maintain that the vfx team did an incredible job and people only say it looks terrible because they know it's cgi going in. A really strong case I feel for it was just a personal experience I had where I was watching the deleted scenes that have no finished vfx work on them so it was just Ryan and Mark Strong in the mocap suits talking. My mother happened to walk through the room at the time and said "what are they wearing?" I had to explain that the suits in the film proper were fully cgi and she'd watched that with me in the past. Just never realized.
“I lied to you too. See the thing is, you have to be chosen”
I genuinely did internally cheer at that moment.
I think most people would have happily overlooked the CGI shortcomings if the movie had been.. well.. good.
Dude, thank you for doing this. After 13 years this show is finally getting some love. :)
unironically love this movie. it also gave us possibly the most beautiful Barbie face ever created with the carol ferris doll. Not to mention bringing blake and ryan together. 💜
Similar case with CATS if the movie fails, the VFX gets the blame
It's easier to blame us than production. We've always been the easier punching bag.
Very surprised to see so many of my shots in this review. That's rare when someone does a deep dive into one of my shows.
I liked this Green Lantern movie and its computer graphics. It was cool. 😎
Based. 🌐😎
Saw another one of my shots! I always love when my old shows get revisited :)
As a result of watching this video, I had a dream last night where Ryan Reynalds became my roommate and I was hanging out with him for a few weeks and the entire time he was kinda rude and didn’t like me but he was also really insecure about being in green lantern so I spent the time trying to convince him that green lantern wasn’t actually THAT bad of a movie and he shouldn’t be so hard on himself especially when the problems with the movie weren’t his fault. Over the time he grew to be a bit kinder to me and to himself
Oh, another little bit of insider info. The rooftop scene was a reshoot WAY into post production. Ryan was in Africa shooting another movie that he had to shave his head for. The entire sequence was shot in a hotel room drapped with green fabric. He was wearing a TERRIBLE wig, which was subsequently replaced by CG. I had one shot in that sequence...it looks SO BAD. LOL. In case you didn't know :)
A big thing in Wonderlands favor is the stylization, which is purposefully uncanny, where green lantern is supposed to be set in the “real world”
I kid you not, I could never see the problem with the Green Lantern suit. Sure, it can look weird at times, but it never bothered me that much. It's crazy though how it looks a lot better than CGI in some modern films.🤔
I never had an issue with the suit. I think they did an amazing job
Y'know, looking back at these clips, I genuinely think the biggest visual problem with the suits is the colour grading - the green is *way* too heavily saturated to look tangible next to the live-action elements.
Any shot with a primarily digital environment, the suits look great, but in shots where they're the only digital element (especially darker or backlit ones) the luminance of the green is way too high to look like it fits in with the rest of the shot.
I remember Corridor Crew mentioning a similar issue in the original live action Sonic trailer - his fur's so intensely blue that it doesn't look like it's reacting to the ambient light enough
it should be compared with the iron spider suit from infinity war
The Iron Spider suit covers his head mostly of the time, and don't mark his body muscles, so i don't think is comparable. Bcs once they cover Tom Holland's face, it's just 100% CGI body without need to blend with a real person. Ryan's face was always visible.
I've always enjoyed how this is the only movie of its kind where a scientist freaks out at the implications of aliens being so human-like.
Hal is notorious for being unimaginative with his constructs, so they got that accurate in the film. Constructs are convoluted as hell anyway a bunch of characters construct things they couldnt possibly imagine in detail
The CG work (suit included) was NOT the problem with that movie. Been saying this for years.
It makes sense to use a cgi suit though. The suit is a construct like all the other ring constructs. It makes sense to have it look consistent with all the effects.
Honestly the biggest issue I had with the movie was the plot and specifically that of the villain, after he left Earth it should have stayed in space going off to feel like a buddy cop movie in space with Hal and Sinestro but end up with revealing Sinestro is basically a dirty cop planning to overthrow the Guardians.
for me it was the fact that since they had a budget they made some of the objects the lantern portrayed
not practical like the gun at the end of the movie😂
Anytime you don't see Ryan's face he's fully CG. We would have a butt reel every week of all the shots that were from behind to not have to deal with footage.
Gotta remember hal Jordan wasn’t the only character they would have needed to do this for.
The movie (and this video) is a valuable record of the progress in the art of capturing and reproducing the minute details of the human body movements of a professional actor toward the goal of becoming believably a living human body going through the experiences portrayed in the movie.
I always loved the suit design. The glowing emblem with the viens glowing throughout the suit was so cool! Had they lighted the environment and his face better it would have looked better.
It's fascinating how they insisted on having the suit be fully CGI instead of just using a real one and using CGI to then add all those energy effects.
Most problems like this shouldn't even be problems. When they are, it means your approach is wrong.
sometimes over budget is problem
I was gonna comment the same thing
That wouldn’t really make the process simpler. In orther to add the light effects, they’d still need to make a full cg suit to match the movements of the practical one. And even if you only render and comp in the lights, it can still feel janky if the cg double doesn’t match well
@@bernnymwamba7522 yeah, you now not only need to perfectly match the head movement, but every other body part as well. if you do the suit full cgi end comp out the mocap, it is way easier and probably cheaper as well.
That was the fault of a bad vfx sup that didn't know what she was doing.
Think of how much money and how many skilled artists worked in service of this suit, and wonder why the heck they didn't put just a little more time and effort into the script.
We had the entire building in Culver filled with artists AND the building in the culver studios lot next door. We also had a facility in New Mexico. Smurfs was going at the same time so we had to have an additional render farm brought into the parking lot in trucks! Power outages also happened often.
Ang Lee's Hulk and this Green Lantern movie have always had some juice.
I genuinely loved this movie as a child. So much so that I watched it multiple times even tho the version my dad pirated on a dvd was a VR version and I had to watch one half of my tv screen.
bruh i got a mint mobile ad with ryan rynalds while watching this 😂
I still can't believe the guy who made Casino Royale and Goldeneye, 2 of my favorite movies, also made this.
i have watched this movie more than 100 times but it still amazes me for some reason.
They did a great job with the VFX on this movie. This is wayyyy better than many movies that came afterwards. I actually enjoyed it!
I ain't have a problem with the CGI itself, I had a problem with how the suits looked like they were basically just spray painted onto the user's bodies and the Very drastic design changes everyone but Sinestro went through. Like Kilowog looking more like a Pug than a Pig in the Humpty Dumpty one looking like some creepy Jim Henson Workshop puppet
You could probably make a entire video on the CW flash cgi
The entire defense of CW Flash CGI was that it's a 20+ episode show per year running on a Network Television budget and schedule.
this is such a guilty pleasure movie if they maybe had the focus on sinestro trying to teach hal while showing sinestros fall due to another villain i feel like it wpuld have a came away with a better script/story
This one feels like one of those movies where the director had no idea how to work around the limitations of cgi. Not only that he literally made their job harder by the sets and on location shooting
I have and will die on the hill that the CG suit is better than people say it is
i just want millions of glowing green particles forming meshes
Can you do one where you ironically defend the CGI next.
CGI artists are literally the backbone of the modern Hollywood cinema, yet a thankless job whose work catches eyes not when it's done good but only when it's flawed.
Yeah... There was some strange disharmony... And the boom box of the show was the suit, so you couldn't just let it go as it was there all the time. Great pieces of work that didn't just fit together.
You said what I was thinking about. 😊
Honestly, I appreciate the explanation bc I don't think ppl realize how hard that stuff really is. And like you said, I think it actually captures what the comics were trying to convey. As a fan of the comics it was really cool to see it come to life. I think most of the problem the film sufferS from is more revolved around the writing / casting. I don't think RR was the right choice for the role.
“The films costume designer. Ngilla Dickson.”
Me: “Her name is what?…”
i loved the green lanturn movie and so did 2 friends i went with and we never usually agree.
I always like the Green Lantern suit, and I wish a producer was crazy enough to greenlight a Deadpool vs Green Lanter movie.
I think one thing people forget when bashing CGI is that vfx artists don’t want to create something that looks bad, why would they? I’d argue that 9 times out of 10, it’s not a lack of skill or artistry, but a lack of budget or clear art direction.
We put everything into making it as good as was humanly possible in the time we had and the constantly changing script.
The outcome as a whole movie might not have been great but the work they put into has to be noticed like this
What the youtuber said: "Bla blabla bl bla bla bla CGI blabla"
What I heard: So you telling me there's a chance Ryan gonna do a reshooting/remastering/remaking of the movie ? NEAT!
Nice video. My son and I both saw the flick in theaters when it released and we liked it for the most part. My biggest complaint was that they tried to shove too much in - the whole Fear monster story should have been woven into a sequel.
got a mint mobile ad before watching lmao. poor ryan.
Reynolds - Perfect for Hal/GL - They Studio had Deadpool in their hands & messed it up.
Sinestro - Perfect Casting
Kilowog - Perfect casting
Need to rewatch this movie now, watched it only once as a kid. Enjoyed it but don't remember a thing.
I thought it was genuinely pretty good. Like, when I was a kid I thought it was pretty cool and looking back now, the concept of the idea of the suit and end result was still pretty solid
This is why you run tests before going all in on a risky idea
I wonder if Painting that motion capture suit on to Ryan Reynolds directly would have improved the muscle tracking?
At that time I loved the suit.. it actually looks like a suit made of energy
I always thought that the scripts for the live action movie and the animated movie First Flight got switched. First Flight was basically a buddy cop movie (think Lethal Weapon in space) and was fantastic.
I wonder if it would've worked to combine the oldschool optical approach from the original Tron, with some additional layers of CGI enhancements...
Nice arguments...now imagine going with the spandex suit and just adding after the glowing effects or any other vfx you want.... mind-blowing right?!? 😂
What you say here matches with my impressions when I watched this movie years ago. I felt like they should have taken a Tron approach. Giving Reynolds an actual suit that looks like a lantern suit, but has CSO elements ON it that can be digitally replaced or built on... Instead of a blank suit with mocap. They could have easily incorporated things in a way where most of the body would have been real and only the effects layered on top mattered. And would have been just that - layers. Not a full replace!
Better have a CGI suit than a cheap practical one like in James Gunn's movies.
the CGI parts are also the only ones with any really noticeable stereo separation in the 3D version!
That was another nightmare. Stereo artists stuck around for months after we wrapped doing the conversion. It was actually done in house, that's why it wasn't terrible.
Very interesting! One thing I'm a little unsure about is what you said about full digital replacement not being very common? At least nowadays I'm pretty sure it's very common for Digi Doubles to fill in for a lot Effects like this, if you don't see actors face very clearly.
When i first sawthe trailer for green lantern I legit thought it was an IGN April fools day joke or a fan film from UA-cam.
Damn, done right now with the papers, technology and the right combination of Machine Learning for the muscle flexion this could be so gooood
It feels like when you get ambitious at the start of your school project, and then it's just too late to go back
Honestly, that's not too far from the truth.
You got a new mic? Thank you! I can hear you better now =)
The disign of the suit is not even bad
I think the better solution would have been to have gone with a practical suit and then added VFX touches to it. Because nothing about the CGI suit looks something somebody couldn’t have physically made.
How else did people expect a suit of pure energy and hard light to look like?
>"Modern movies"
Shows a movie from almost a decade ago and only 5 years older than GL.
So u think it's old😅
This suit is one of the coolest superhero suits in a live action film imo
I applaud you for defending CG artists, whose work mostly falls short due to decisions made by people not associated with the visual effects companies.
Regardless of the flaws, I never understood the criticism of the suit. There are plenty of elements deserving of criticism for the movie (💩☁), but in my opinion the suit isn't one of them. As you stated it was energy formed into a suit. As such it wasn't physical material clinging to his body, so the justification for the wonky definition is that the suit looked like Hal's mental idea of what it should look like. From your research it seems they actually tried materials and techniques to create a physical suit and simply couldn't make it work.
Given that this movie was made in 2011 and wasn't an Orc, Chimp, or Giant Robot, it honestly looks amazing