This is why i love batman's code in batman begins: I am not going to kill you but i don't have to save you. In the dark knight he saved joker because if he didn't he would've killed him. It's really flustrating when joker would've died from his fault or killed by someone else and batman went out of his way to save him.
Do you know what the cruel irony is? If Owlman’s theory about the DC multiverse is to believed, that for every decision a character makes, in some alternate reality they made the opposite choice; every time Batman saves The Joker, another Batman let’s The Joker die.
I've actually been thinking about this all day, Batman has gone out of his way and risked his own life to save Joker. Yet, he never tries to the same extent with other characters, Batman apparently gust can't let the Joker go.
its probably because he knows if he kills the joker he'll go insane and become a villain like him, but with pretty much anyone else, they can die and nothingll go wrong
Huh, Now that I think of it, joker is actually pretty Suicidal maybe deep deep down in that demented little mind of his, there's a remnant of Arthur Fleck, or Jack Napier who wants to die for all they've done and will do,maybe his bat-suicidal nature is him (or what little sanity he has) trying to help.
Personally, I can forgive Batman for not killing Joker, after all, I think he does the right thing by handing him to the Justice System to deal with him, keep in mind I think Joker SHOULD die. But his fate is often decided by the people of Gotham, via jury's and judges. HOWEVER, saving the Joker's life is WAY TO FAR, and is something that is totally INSANE for Batman to do.
I agree, its understandable why he won't just kill him fair enough but to save him?!? Like are you completely MAD!? I'm talking about the time in Arkham Origins, like why?
@@vgdrent2852 I agree, saving the Joker is like killing his victims yourself to me, also I don't think Batman is really all that sane anyway so I believe he would do something like that lol
@@vgdrent2852 best guess I can come up with is he wanted him alive in case there were anymore tricks he hid around Gotham he could reveal to the GCPD. A plan that absolutely had no long term repercussions. By the way, Barbara's spine and Jason's mentality say hello Bats...
I'm a huge defender of the "Batman shouldn't have to kill Joker" point of view; even in the instances cited in this video, I can understand why Batman did it. The only major one (that I totally thought would be in this top 5) I disagree with, is in *Batman: Cacophony* (Kevin Smith's follow up to *Green Arrow: The Sounds of Violence* ). When Onomatopoeia stabs the Joker next to the heart, and Batman has to choose between following Ono and stopping him, or taking the Joker to the emergency room to have him get surgery... just this one time, I agreed with Jim Gordon's take on the situation. Jim: "Are you crazy? Let him die." Batman: "I.. I can't Jim, it was *my* idea to use him as bait. *I* got him stabbed." Jim:"I know you live by a code, and I'd never ask you to break it. But I'm not asking you to kill him. I'm just asking you not to *save* him" and then it goes on, read this comic if you want to see the ending, it's pretty good. Plenty of people like to hate to Kevin Smith, but I've really enjoyed this little storyline, and Onomatopoeia made for a great new villain. Too bad he's only been used in Teen Titans ever since, well except from some cameos here and there of course...
I'm really surprised Commissioner Gordon never did it. Joker paralysed and sexually assaulted his daughter (The Killing Joke). No one in Gotham would reprimand him. The worst thing that might happen was he is asked to retire early to save face. If anyone should kill the Joker, it should be Jim.
it's gothan we are talking about a gun whold not save a single life from vilans like the joker and the ones more "merciful" whould still kill any one with a gun just to be sure
@@yurineri2227 vert true, but to me it's better to have a gun that could save your life than to die knowing you could've tried to defend yourself with a proper gun. Plus on the off chance it works, criminals will be off the street
Lets be honest Batman needs to get rid of joker. Every time joker gets out Batman let's him live he just kills more and more people. I'm going to show my opinion but joker is beyond saving. He's just a husk waiting to be put down. he's killed hundreds if not thousands of people and batman for some reason doesn't kill him. He allows him to fill more and more graves. Every time batman allows to joker to get away with his crimes is batmans fault. And the fact that he hasn't been put to death really is strange.
If he allows himself to kill then he won’t stop. I mean look at what the Batman Who Laughs did to his world. He is arguably one of the most dangerous villains in the DC universe currently, would you want like a hundred Batman Who Laughs just running around and killing everyone?
I do agree with what you said but I believe that perhaps Batman shouldn’t be the one to kill joker. I mean just let Jason do it so Batman doesn’t go kill crazy
baseupp12 but did Batman kill Joker? Yes absolutely. Why did Joker have a toxin to turn anyone into something worse than him? Because he wanted whoever would kill him to be something worse. Also it has been shown multiple times that is Batman kills Joker than it would start his killing spree. Anyways it doesn’t matter, it’s just a comic after all lol
Darkside: i'm going to kill millions Batman: kills darkside Joker: i'm going to kill millions Batman: doesn't kill joker Batman who laughts: i'm going to kill millions Batman :nearly kills him Wow Batman can't kill the joker
Then kill a couple of them, that Way You are doing communal service. I mean it's clear that batman is too much of a good guy to kill the Joker (if it's not just Insane) and that is a good thing, but unfortunatelly some people NEED to die and someone needs to do it.
While it's easy to say that killing the Joker or at least letting him die is the right thing to do, it's generally not the thing that Batman would do. Batman is, by his own admission, a "rich kid with issues... lots of issues". He sees himself in the psychological struggles of his rogues, and he wants to see them get better. To give up on a crazy person like the Joker, he might as well give up on himself too, and that would be the end of the Batman.
Batman: I refuse to kill the joker Commissioner Gordon: why Batman: killing him will only make things worse Gordon: but joker escapes every time and kills tons of people so that probably means your responsible for people’s death in the first place Batman: okay fine you got a gun on you?
I like to think of it this way, Batman is well aware of how damaged he is, so he also realizes that if he makes that choice to kill the Joker, it would make the choice to kill another criminal easier the next time he has that option, and it would only get easier to make that call every time until eventually, he's just killing every criminal.
And evil doesn't go away cuz you killed it Chaos is an unstoppable force Damn this makes me want to see batman in 40k lol I wonder what he'd do to a demon prince or a single dark eldar who live vicariously off of another person's suffering
I hate that ideology, if you can`t control yourself and would rather kill everyone after killing just one, you are the one with the problem from before. Also if he really wants to put him somewhere where he does not die but is no longer a FUCKING menace, can`t he ask sups for the phantom zone (I do not read to much comics so if not possible please do tell).
Batman: you want to know something funny? despite all the things you’ve done I was still going to save you. Joker: you know what? That actually is pretty funny
I think what's important to consider is that you're essentially dealing with two men of broken minds. What's interesting is that Bruce isn't exactly the most mentally stable man. As he describes it: he's still living in the moment of mourning, hunched over his parents in the alleyway. His stand and perspective towards crime and his crusade is of noble intent, but from my eyes, it's personally an act of vengeance. He's ragefully against the act of crime, but he refuses to "sink to their methods", as he's fearful that by claiming himself as a hero, he's no better than any villain, which is how he views the act of lethal vigilante work. However, his prime view on justice, though generally understandable, could be his own deluded view of the act and meaning of justice. Someone like the joker deserves to perish, but if an average police officer, an agent of law, shoots him dead on the crime scene, is that a violation of rightfull justice? Joker's certainly committed more than enough to earn such a death, so whether or not that specific death is violating the truest form of justice is anyone's guess. Batman goes out of his way to save the man's life, even when all forces of the world are pushing against it. Is that not insane? Is that not delusional? In my guess of whether Bruce should effectively kill the Joker, my answer is, well, yes and no. Batman killing the man would save lives, but from my eyes, this would result in Gotham losing their morally footed hero, as the act would likely drive Bruce past the realm of righteousness. Basically, his own personal perspective on the act could possibly twist his mind beyond his own self healing and consolement, or from his eyes, "if I do that. If I allow myself to go down into that place: I'll never come back". Basically, killing Joker would save Gotham, but it would kill The Batman. From my eyes anyway....
I feel kinda confused about letting someone die doesn’t equal killing them, because I remember in one of his earlier videos about Batman killing people, that somone dying to an illness and not giving them the cure currently in one possession, means killing someone.
U did forget another time Batman saved the joker in tell tale Batman, Batman was fighting the joker and after beating him to near death Batman did CPR and saved the joker
Imagine joker gets sentenced to the chair, he's about to be fried to death for all the crimes he's committed, Then Batman jumps in, saves his life and after that joker proceeds to murder 17 people......
The hero’s in any universe letting their adversaries live is showing they don’t want to be judge jury and executioner. The fact that the laws of said universe keeps them alive is where the wrong is
What makes Arkham City truley masterful with Batmans ark is that he was willing to save Joker. He says himself he would have saved him. Plus it actually kinda break a part of Batman that he couldn't do it. Even in City's DLC Tim and Barbara dicuss how Batman would even mention anything about Joker.
No human has the right to kill another human. It isn't up to us to decide if someone should die. Batman has sworn to save lives if he can, so he does when he can.
The reason Dick goes so far is because Joker reminded him about Jason. It's one of my favorite issues. Seeing the joker getting the life beaten out of him is cathartic.
on the letting someone die note, in Dark Knight Returns in the tunnel of love I believe, Batman actually says "all the people I've killed by letting you live" to joker, basically him saying he should of let joker die or kill him outright long ago
Well Batman was worried of what resurrecting Jason would do to his mind and he was right to have that worry but it’s not like the joker can get anymore insane plus Batman really needed that info at the time
Joker needs to meet someone that will finally put him in the ground and keep him there, even if it means going against the Dark Knight. Perhaps for the next video, the top villains that deserve to die can be discussed (Joker obviously being at the top of the list).
Saving the person wants to destroyed the universe was the best thing batman could ever do i mean everyone is sick of him right now even the writers in snydercut he uses guns
I'd like to see DC present a series of conclusions to their overall characters every one in awhile. I'd like to see how things end for the caped crusader, see a long formed self contained series that actually has a definitive beginning, middle and ending for Batman, how he starts out, how he meets his infamous rogue's gallery, how he meets superman, join the justice league, how he meets the court of owls, to going oin adventures with the Justice League, how the larger scope of the DC universe intertwines with Gotham, how Batman married Catwoman/Bruce married Selina, seeing a final battle between Batman and Joker, seeing how things finally end for the caped crusader, watching him finally finding peace with the death of his parents, watching his faithful buttler pass away, growing old with Selina Kyle, raising Damien Wayne or something, or Terry McGuinness, incorporating the Batman Beyond story line into all this, I do want to see a definitive end for the dark knight, I want to see DC's interpretation and finally allow the caped crusader to walk off in the sunset. I'm not talking main continuity here people, they can obviously do an elseworlds story line that plays out very similar to the main continuity, nothing says that the elseworlds stories have to be dark, gory, set in another time period all the time, it could be a modern series where this batman manages to overcome those demons that have haunted him since his inception by Bob Kane 80+ years ago
blustery-apple oh would be cool if there was a secret base that was like the batcave but instead it’s a prison & Basks worst & strong enemies go there or even a space prison batman makes for his enemies would be cool
8:19 - An eye for an eye leaves the world blind. That said, I think the Joker is one of the few exceptions. The man should die, but not by Batman's hand. Batman has said on several occasions that he can't cross that line because if he does, it'll be too easy for it to happen more than once.
If you watch Kyle Hill’s “Because Science” Video: “Is the Joker legally insane?” (which I have) you start to ask yourself how in the multiverse Joker doesn’t get the death sentence.
Ok wait in the instance of the joker going sane then back to insane I haven’t read the comic or anything but what if he went insane from all the memories of what he had done while insane
Revenge is a guise of justice but it truly doesn't care for justice it just cares for anger and where that anger will be directed Once revenge is done one rarely goes back to a normal mind they'll just be spent spiraling or empty And that's why revenge kills will probably be batman's worse trigger Thanks for coming to my tedtalk
I think the reason Batman saved Joker in Arkham Origins was because he was still in his early years and hadn't broken his code yet. He saw Joker falling and didn't know whether or not it would be considered "killing" if he let him fall
Batman doesn't kill Joker for the same reason so many versions of Joker refuse to kill Batman; they're one in the same, two sides of the same coin. They need each other, it's completely unhealthy but it won't be any other way. Batman sees himself in Joker, and if he won't give up on himself - he can't give up on Joker.
One thing about the Joker is that if Batman kills him,then the criminals wil know there’s a limit,and the joker’s fans will start trying to push Batman there again and again.
You know he always gets a chance to just kill him. BUT HE NEVER DOES and I think he is just opposed with the joker so You know if there if no joker there is No Batman 😂🤣😂
OK I have a serious problem with your idea of this being Batman fault, even partly, as well as the people int the comments why does it have to fall on the Batman kill the joker why can’t the law kill the joker. Batman doesn’t kill most superheroes in DC don’t kill because even though they are heroes they know they’re not above the law. heroes operate in a legal gray area in most cases especially ones that have freaking armor tanks for cars. Why does it fall on batman to be the one to take to joker out. Why couldn’t the law do it, even if he was crazy why don’t people just vote guilty for joker. he doesn’t exactly plead insanity. Hell in one instance superman straight up said people wouldn’t trust heroes that kill why does it need to fall on Batman to be judge jury and executioner when joker should’ve been since his death 100 times over for his crimes why does the batman have to shoulder that burden? It’s not Batman’s responsibility to kill Joker Batman is not the law, the judge and jury are and he should be executed, but no they just throw him in Arkham instead, but no that’s batman’s fault😠😤😩
People who think Batman should not try to save jokers life... Remember what happened in the injustice games ? Remember what happened to super man ? *remember the bad ending of injustice 2 ?*
The injustice games started because of joker. letting a police or someone like jason todd kill him would easily be the end of joker. Its not like as soon as a person kills the joker they get gis Iq or status smdh, the only reason joker is alive is because his boyfriend batman wont let anyone kill him
Batman didn't want to resurrect Jason because he new he would come back different. The Lazarus Pit might bring your body back, but not your soul. You will never be the same and he did not want Jason to end up like that
This is all the reasons why I love when Batman kills the Joker in Injustice Year 3, at least in a dream. He actually did it because it would save Superman from further threat of the Joker, but also save the world from devastation as Superman took control. It’s beautiful
I can see what you mean Needlemouse, but Batman's character and moral code is so important. If he were to kill the Joker, he'd sink to his level. Like what Captain Marvel said in Justice League Unlimited, "I've always found a way to win without sinking to their level. Always." And yes, letting someone die does count as murder. You even said so yourself in one of your own videos. An eye for an eye is not justice.
I think under the red hood gives the best reason for why batman has to save the joker. If he doesn’t or he kills the joker. If he’s directly responsible, he won’t stop. It’s like that saying one link made easily helps makes the next till your bound in a chain that binds all. Batman is so insane he’s sane insane but he’s on a knife edge. Realistically if you gave batman the right push he’d become no better than any other villain. He needed to be unmoving in his morality because if he does move he will fall. In a way he is saving people because of the two of them batman would be more terrifying then the joker as a villain. This is why batman is so appealing compared to other hero’s. he has to be a rock because he’s so close to being unstable. When you think about it, he has vert few positive forces in his life. He lives in the dark, it’d be so easy to fall. In this regard he has to save the joker because he can’t give an inch. If he does it for the joker, why not for the other supervillains who kill people, then why not for ordinary villains, then what is a villain, is it all criminals? You can see where he could so easily go, the red hood show gives this perfectly when batman and Jason talk. This is why the joker wants to break Batman’s rules. The joker is insane but he is clever and he knows that if batman kills him he will have left a legacy worse then his own. That’s why their relationship is so interesting, if the batman truely ends the joker, the joker wins. Ironically every time the joker pulls of one of his plans, he wins the battle but not the war. Batman can’t win the war without losing it. It’s the worse stalemate. In reality why Gotham haven’t put joker through the death penalty I don’t know. If they did that would solve everything as it’s not the batman who’s done anything, he protected the city, sorta followed the law and the law and justice department made the decision. The people of Gotham are equally as culpable as Batman, the big difference is that if the people kill the joker that doesn’t make things worse as it’s a democracy decision and the will of society. No man is greater then the system, batman killing means the reverse happens
When evil rises a greater good will come to destroy it, When good rises a greater evil will come to destroy it. Killing Joker may just pave the road for someone worse to come in and do far worse.
There’s only one way to stop the joker the joker is insane he’s crazy trying to kill like bazillion people I feel like to give him a compassion ring the ring chose to but we give someone with her hearts of compassion what someone has no compassion at all on the ring gives you compassion so I feel like this is the only way to stop joker and stop making them go crazy and keep keep killing people in but I think you also stay in the compassion and Lenten core where his home is you love to stay where he is can you probably will have to leave by men’s like a duel team as well because the compassion gives you compassion
The mental state of someone using a lazuris pit depends on the purity of the dianeceum in the pool, when know vandal savage was the first one to ever use the dianeceum and as such gained immortality, ra's has the same dianeceum in his pits but over the centuries of exposure the pits have become more impure over time, witch lead to the dianeceum pool under Gotham, it was possibly the most refined lazuris pit we've seen and using it redirected batman and joker and even cured joker of his insanity, and batman of his trauma, so yes depending on the pit you can return insane, or perfect fine
Personally I think Batman should kill the joker because he just can and it will get the criminals he fights a better reason to fear him. It would also be more heroic and justified if he killed someone with no self regard for life it would make Gotham more safe and the people not have the paranoia of a man killing random people no matter what.
It makes zero sense that Batman would resurrect Joker who killed thousands of people but when some heroes or citizens he knows who’s family members have died, he does not care about them or try to resurrect them.
“If someone kills you, you got a right to kill them back”
-needlemouse productions 2020
Best quotes of the century
Also means all ghosts, spectres and poltigists can be except for killing their own murderers
I am holding him to it
Eye for eye
An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind.
This is why i love batman's code in batman begins:
I am not going to kill you but i don't have to save you. In the dark knight he saved joker because if he didn't he would've killed him.
It's really flustrating when joker would've died from his fault or killed by someone else and batman went out of his way to save him.
I completely agree, I thought the same thing! Bale's Batman has the most rational no kill rule
Do you know what the cruel irony is?
If Owlman’s theory about the DC multiverse is to believed, that for every decision a character makes, in some alternate reality they made the opposite choice; every time Batman saves The Joker, another Batman let’s The Joker die.
Yes, do you wanna know where those universes are... The dark multiverse
I've actually been thinking about this all day, Batman has gone out of his way and risked his own life to save Joker. Yet, he never tries to the same extent with other characters, Batman apparently gust can't let the Joker go.
its probably because he knows if he kills the joker he'll go insane and become a villain like him, but with pretty much anyone else, they can die and nothingll go wrong
@@blehh_mae but in the case of Arkham Origins it wouldn’t even be Batman’s fault, it would be Bane who is the killer so it makes no sense
Joker: let me die
Batman: saves joker
Joker: *am I a joke to you?*
You mean "am I a joker to you?"
Huh, Now that I think of it, joker is actually pretty Suicidal maybe deep deep down in that demented little mind of his, there's a remnant of Arthur Fleck, or Jack Napier who wants to die for all they've done and will do,maybe his bat-suicidal nature is him (or what little sanity he has) trying to help.
@@serifthegodofinsanity8823 Suicide by cop?
Batman:Yes
Personally, I can forgive Batman for not killing Joker, after all, I think he does the right thing by handing him to the Justice System to deal with him, keep in mind I think Joker SHOULD die. But his fate is often decided by the people of Gotham, via jury's and judges.
HOWEVER, saving the Joker's life is WAY TO FAR, and is something that is totally INSANE for Batman to do.
I agree, its understandable why he won't just kill him fair enough but to save him?!? Like are you completely MAD!? I'm talking about the time in Arkham Origins, like why?
@@vgdrent2852 I agree, saving the Joker is like killing his victims yourself to me, also I don't think Batman is really all that sane anyway so I believe he would do something like that lol
@@vgdrent2852 best guess I can come up with is he wanted him alive in case there were anymore tricks he hid around Gotham he could reveal to the GCPD. A plan that absolutely had no long term repercussions. By the way, Barbara's spine and Jason's mentality say hello Bats...
I'm a huge defender of the "Batman shouldn't have to kill Joker" point of view; even in the instances cited in this video, I can understand why Batman did it. The only major one (that I totally thought would be in this top 5) I disagree with, is in *Batman: Cacophony* (Kevin Smith's follow up to *Green Arrow: The Sounds of Violence* ).
When Onomatopoeia stabs the Joker next to the heart, and Batman has to choose between following Ono and stopping him, or taking the Joker to the emergency room to have him get surgery... just this one time, I agreed with Jim Gordon's take on the situation.
Jim: "Are you crazy? Let him die."
Batman: "I.. I can't Jim, it was *my* idea to use him as bait. *I* got him stabbed."
Jim:"I know you live by a code, and I'd never ask you to break it. But I'm not asking you to kill him. I'm just asking you not to *save* him"
and then it goes on, read this comic if you want to see the ending, it's pretty good.
Plenty of people like to hate to Kevin Smith, but I've really enjoyed this little storyline, and Onomatopoeia made for a great new villain. Too bad he's only been used in Teen Titans ever since, well except from some cameos here and there of course...
The Joker can break the fourth wall, so he knows they won't let him die. That's the joke he laughs at most of the time
Even crazier idea:
5 times where Joker saved Batman’s life
Mavi Kartal one would be in batman:the enemy within.
Shadow Hunter
Great. Now we need 4 more times
@@mavikartal7775 Arkham knight if that counts
Brave and the Bold?
Also once in batman who laughs
It also makes me wonder why a more morally grey Gotham Detective or Police officer never shot the Joker in the head shortly after his arrest.
probably because it wouldnt be that interesting to read
@@blehh_mae I'm talking in-univetse. The fourth wall is not my concern.
Because Batman would kick their ass and throw them in prison for the rest of their lives
@@Dark_Minded20 Maybe that's not enough of a deterant. Maybe GCPD makes it look like self defense.
I'm really surprised Commissioner Gordon never did it. Joker paralysed and sexually assaulted his daughter (The Killing Joke). No one in Gotham would reprimand him. The worst thing that might happen was he is asked to retire early to save face. If anyone should kill the Joker, it should be Jim.
4:54 when you mix Christian Bale and Christopher Nolan into the same person lol
Ah yes. The director of my favourite trilogy, Christian Nolan.
At this point
1. Everyone who's sane should just leave gotham
2. Everyone who's crazy enough to stay should just carry a gun
it's gothan we are talking about a gun whold not save a single life from vilans like the joker and the ones more "merciful" whould still kill any one with a gun just to be sure
@@yurineri2227 vert true, but to me it's better to have a gun that could save your life than to die knowing you could've tried to defend yourself with a proper gun. Plus on the off chance it works, criminals will be off the street
I get that @@dragonlord3376 and acording to cold days #52 most Gothamites agree with you and already do that "this is gothan keep the gun"
Yuri Neri heck maybe they could become a vigilante themselves
Batman: Arkham Knight (2015)
Lets be honest Batman needs to get rid of joker.
Every time joker gets out Batman let's him live he just kills more and more people.
I'm going to show my opinion but joker is beyond saving.
He's just a husk waiting to be put down.
he's killed hundreds if not thousands of people and batman for some reason doesn't kill him.
He allows him to fill more and more graves.
Every time batman allows to joker to get away with his crimes is batmans fault.
And the fact that he hasn't been put to death really is strange.
If he allows himself to kill then he won’t stop. I mean look at what the Batman Who Laughs did to his world. He is arguably one of the most dangerous villains in the DC universe currently, would you want like a hundred Batman Who Laughs just running around and killing everyone?
I do agree with what you said but I believe that perhaps Batman shouldn’t be the one to kill joker. I mean just let Jason do it so Batman doesn’t go kill crazy
@@hobojobo6331 Dude the Batman who Laughs was infected with a special Joker toxin that turned Batman into the joker that is not a good excuse
baseupp12 but did Batman kill Joker? Yes absolutely. Why did Joker have a toxin to turn anyone into something worse than him? Because he wanted whoever would kill him to be something worse. Also it has been shown multiple times that is Batman kills Joker than it would start his killing spree. Anyways it doesn’t matter, it’s just a comic after all lol
@@hobojobo6331 usually because of dumb writing killing a person doesn't mess up a majority of people
Darkside: i'm going to kill millions
Batman: kills darkside
Joker: i'm going to kill millions
Batman: doesn't kill joker
Batman who laughts: i'm going to kill millions
Batman :nearly kills him
Wow Batman can't kill the joker
Marcos Castillo Solorzano Darkseid was going to destroy the entire Dc multiverse. All of the infinite universes in Dc would have been destroyed.
@@brownwindedangel yeah its just a joke
Marcos Castillo Solorzano it’s not a funny one
@@brownwindedangel it isn't funny because people like you smh
lol
Joker: I'm I a joke to you?
Miles edgeworth: *you aren't a joke, not even a clown but the entire circus*
Joker: dude uncool.
You watch Semple History
So you watch oversimplified
How about "Times Superman has revealed his identity"
“If you kill a killer, the number of killers in the world remains the same.” -Batman
But the number of people that die drops by the millions and the family of those people don’t have to suffer
What if you killer like 100 killers-red hood maybe
Then kill a couple of them, that Way You are doing communal service.
I mean it's clear that batman is too much of a good guy to kill the Joker (if it's not just Insane) and that is a good thing, but unfortunatelly some people NEED to die and someone needs to do it.
What if I kill 2 killers
but if you kill 100 killers then it would go down by 99 right?
While it's easy to say that killing the Joker or at least letting him die is the right thing to do, it's generally not the thing that Batman would do. Batman is, by his own admission, a "rich kid with issues... lots of issues". He sees himself in the psychological struggles of his rogues, and he wants to see them get better. To give up on a crazy person like the Joker, he might as well give up on himself too, and that would be the end of the Batman.
Finally someone in this comment section that actually knows this
Even tho I hate
Even the joker pisses me off
Batman does the right things
1:16 Dick Grayson son of Batman???
8:26 and Jason Todd ????
They are adapoted
Batman: I refuse to kill the joker
Commissioner Gordon: why
Batman: killing him will only make things worse
Gordon: but joker escapes every time and kills tons of people so that probably means your responsible for people’s death in the first place
Batman: okay fine you got a gun on you?
I like to think of it this way, Batman is well aware of how damaged he is, so he also realizes that if he makes that choice to kill the Joker, it would make the choice to kill another criminal easier the next time he has that option, and it would only get easier to make that call every time until eventually, he's just killing every criminal.
And evil doesn't go away cuz you killed it
Chaos is an unstoppable force
Damn this makes me want to see batman in 40k lol
I wonder what he'd do to a demon prince or a single dark eldar who live vicariously off of another person's suffering
I hate that ideology, if you can`t control yourself and would rather kill everyone after killing just one, you are the one with the problem from before. Also if he really wants to put him somewhere where he does not die but is no longer a FUCKING menace, can`t he ask sups for the phantom zone (I do not read to much comics so if not possible please do tell).
5:00 take that Zack whatever he's name is
Zach Snyder.
@@Samuel152 thanks
Batman: you want to know something funny? despite all the things you’ve done I was still going to save you.
Joker: you know what? That actually is pretty funny
yeah, I'm with Jason -and now Damian as well- Batman seems to care mroe about the damn psycho than his own loved ones.
An eye for an eye the whole world goes blind. But what most people seem to forget that justice is blind.
I noticed you didnt bring up The batman who laughs story set after dark nights metal I guess you could for a part 2 if there are any more suggestions
I think what's important to consider is that you're essentially dealing with two men of broken minds. What's interesting is that Bruce isn't exactly the most mentally stable man. As he describes it: he's still living in the moment of mourning, hunched over his parents in the alleyway. His stand and perspective towards crime and his crusade is of noble intent, but from my eyes, it's personally an act of vengeance. He's ragefully against the act of crime, but he refuses to "sink to their methods", as he's fearful that by claiming himself as a hero, he's no better than any villain, which is how he views the act of lethal vigilante work. However, his prime view on justice, though generally understandable, could be his own deluded view of the act and meaning of justice. Someone like the joker deserves to perish, but if an average police officer, an agent of law, shoots him dead on the crime scene, is that a violation of rightfull justice? Joker's certainly committed more than enough to earn such a death, so whether or not that specific death is violating the truest form of justice is anyone's guess. Batman goes out of his way to save the man's life, even when all forces of the world are pushing against it. Is that not insane? Is that not delusional? In my guess of whether Bruce should effectively kill the Joker, my answer is, well, yes and no. Batman killing the man would save lives, but from my eyes, this would result in Gotham losing their morally footed hero, as the act would likely drive Bruce past the realm of righteousness. Basically, his own personal perspective on the act could possibly twist his mind beyond his own self healing and consolement, or from his eyes, "if I do that. If I allow myself to go down into that place: I'll never come back". Basically, killing Joker would save Gotham, but it would kill The Batman. From my eyes anyway....
Christian Nolan? You combined the two names. Christian belle with Christopher Nolan.
I think he meant it as Christian/Nolan movies but it sounded like Christian Nolan anyway.
I feel kinda confused about letting someone die doesn’t equal killing them, because I remember in one of his earlier videos about Batman killing people, that somone dying to an illness and not giving them the cure currently in one possession, means killing someone.
The Lazarus pit: I make you insain
joker: ha your be in danger
U did forget another time Batman saved the joker in tell tale Batman, Batman was fighting the joker and after beating him to near death Batman did CPR and saved the joker
Though that joker from what i have heard is a bit more reedemable from what I heard
Does deflebration the same as CPR
@@jadenbryant9283 he was trying to be a superhero but after he was blamed for riddlers death he went mad and started being a villain
@@arkhamtony3775 I forgot it wasn’t CPR
Imagine joker gets sentenced to the chair, he's about to be fried to death for all the crimes he's committed,
Then Batman jumps in, saves his life and after that joker proceeds to murder 17 people......
The hero’s in any universe letting their adversaries live is showing they don’t want to be judge jury and executioner. The fact that the laws of said universe keeps them alive is where the wrong is
batman could have just gotten Superman or redhood to kill him if he wouldn’t have all those times
I agree with Red Hood but if you know anything about Injustice, Superman killing Joker is not a good idea
NIVUS NVS would it be because people think or know Superman is a murder and would increase people thoughts on the matter? 🤔
@@notbr8ks771 no, he would just end up becoming an evil dictator and kill anyone he feels is slightly indecent
:o
He would have saved him in Arkham City, but since the cure was destroyed Joker couldn’t survive
So, DC, why don't you let batman kill joker?
-*I LIKE MONEY*
Because it goes against Batman's character and moral code. Nothing to do with money. Joker's died and returned multiple times.
@@gagetomerlin9822 Exactly
waiting for season 4 for of young justice is like waiting for half life 3
Luvzelda4eva half life 3 kinda came out if you count the VR on steam
@@tjgamie1711 tbh i thinking they're hyping it up
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What makes Arkham City truley masterful with Batmans ark is that he was willing to save Joker. He says himself he would have saved him. Plus it actually kinda break a part of Batman that he couldn't do it. Even in City's DLC Tim and Barbara dicuss how Batman would even mention anything about Joker.
No human has the right to kill another human. It isn't up to us to decide if someone should die. Batman has sworn to save lives if he can, so he does when he can.
The reason Dick goes so far is because Joker reminded him about Jason. It's one of my favorite issues. Seeing the joker getting the life beaten out of him is cathartic.
Batman has probably killed more people than joker by letting most of his rouges live,their kill counts are almost equal
I thought Batman’s biggest mistake was having Tim Drake, dick Grayson, Jason Todd, and Damien Wayne as kids
No it fucking batgirl
An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind.
The trouble with ending an enemy is whether the individual that takes their place is better or worse usually worse.
Martian Manhunter returned Joker to sanity when he turned into Fernus
0:00 Wait...The batman who laughs was in Arkham origins
on the letting someone die note, in Dark Knight Returns in the tunnel of love I believe, Batman actually says "all the people I've killed by letting you live" to joker, basically him saying he should of let joker die or kill him outright long ago
The Batman who laugh comic don’t count because Alfred help him
Well Batman was worried of what resurrecting Jason would do to his mind and he was right to have that worry but it’s not like the joker can get anymore insane plus Batman really needed that info at the time
You forgot the time Batman saved the Joker from being executed from a crime he never committed.
Batman under the red hood has the best stuf always 👌. Very good video
Batmans free will not to kill the joke is insane
I say thats the right thing without joker batman is nothing
What about all the rest of Batman's enemies?
Joker needs to meet someone that will finally put him in the ground and keep him there, even if it means going against the Dark Knight. Perhaps for the next video, the top villains that deserve to die can be discussed (Joker obviously being at the top of the list).
Batman: "saves the joker"
Me: oh
Batman: "saves the batman who laughs"
Me: r u for real!?
BTW i know the second one doesnt happen
Saving the person wants to destroyed the universe was the best thing batman could ever do i mean everyone is sick of him right now even the writers in snydercut he uses guns
I'd like to see DC present a series of conclusions to their overall characters every one in awhile.
I'd like to see how things end for the caped crusader, see a long formed self contained series that actually has a definitive beginning, middle and ending for Batman, how he starts out, how he meets his infamous rogue's gallery, how he meets superman, join the justice league, how he meets the court of owls, to going oin adventures with the Justice League, how the larger scope of the DC universe intertwines with Gotham, how Batman married Catwoman/Bruce married Selina, seeing a final battle between Batman and Joker, seeing how things finally end for the caped crusader, watching him finally finding peace with the death of his parents, watching his faithful buttler pass away, growing old with Selina Kyle, raising Damien Wayne or something, or Terry McGuinness, incorporating the Batman Beyond story line into all this, I do want to see a definitive end for the dark knight, I want to see DC's interpretation and finally allow the caped crusader to walk off in the sunset.
I'm not talking main continuity here people, they can obviously do an elseworlds story line that plays out very similar to the main continuity, nothing says that the elseworlds stories have to be dark, gory, set in another time period all the time, it could be a modern series where this batman manages to overcome those demons that have haunted him since his inception by Bob Kane 80+ years ago
I think batman is just paranoid and should've killed the joker or at least let him die cuz the joker him self is suffering and need to be put to rest
Batman should get his own prison & he’s the warden & watches everyone he locks up 24/7
He does
blustery-apple wait really? So like a secret prison & no one can find it
@@silentwolfkills3924 is literally under Wayne Tower it's not the Batcave it's just a fault that he puts prisoners that know his identity
blustery-apple oh would be cool if there was a secret base that was like the batcave but instead it’s a prison & Basks worst & strong enemies go there or even a space prison batman makes for his enemies would be cool
What about the part in the batman who laughs comic, where batman tries to save joker from dying in a surgery? I just wanted to mention it
Soooo,
Insane X Insane = Sane?
Aight.
8:19 - An eye for an eye leaves the world blind. That said, I think the Joker is one of the few exceptions. The man should die, but not by Batman's hand. Batman has said on several occasions that he can't cross that line because if he does, it'll be too easy for it to happen more than once.
If Batman let’s joker die and it’s not Batman’s or his allies fault, it’s ok
8:19
'the problem is with an eye for an eye is that everybody ends up blind'
Grammy flash
If you watch Kyle Hill’s “Because Science” Video: “Is the Joker legally insane?” (which I have) you start to ask yourself how in the multiverse Joker doesn’t get the death sentence.
Ok wait in the instance of the joker going sane then back to insane I haven’t read the comic or anything but what if he went insane from all the memories of what he had done while insane
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Revenge is a guise of justice but it truly doesn't care for justice it just cares for anger and where that anger will be directed
Once revenge is done one rarely goes back to a normal mind they'll just be spent spiraling or empty
And that's why revenge kills will probably be batman's worse trigger
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Day 2 of asking needle mouse to do a what lantern corps should death note characters be in
Thank you for giving us the link to that fire background song
I think the reason Batman saved Joker in Arkham Origins was because he was still in his early years and hadn't broken his code yet. He saw Joker falling and didn't know whether or not it would be considered "killing" if he let him fall
You're missing Joker: The Devil's Advocate story. That's got to be my second favorite Joker story after The Killing Joke.
If only Batman followed his philosophy of "I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you"
Batman doesn't kill Joker for the same reason so many versions of Joker refuse to kill Batman; they're one in the same, two sides of the same coin. They need each other, it's completely unhealthy but it won't be any other way. Batman sees himself in Joker, and if he won't give up on himself - he can't give up on Joker.
Sometimes I wonder if batman's code is a promise or an obsession
One thing about the Joker is that if Batman kills him,then the criminals wil know there’s a limit,and the joker’s fans will start trying to push Batman there again and again.
I think that Batman should not kill joker but he should lock him up somewhere that is not Arkham like the phantom zone (with Superman’s approval)
You know he always gets a chance to just kill him. BUT HE NEVER DOES and I think he is just opposed with the joker so You know if there if no joker there is No Batman 😂🤣😂
Maybe the JoKeR is Batman tiwn borther
Maybe Batman Loves Joker.The Ship of the Universe😒
6:35 my favorite animated joker
I want an animated DCeased
Do top 5 most EPIC batman vs joker fights
This is probably the most annoying part of Batman. Bruce doesn’t have to kill the Joker, but he doesn’t have to save him every time.
Number 1. Since Batman's birth
OK I have a serious problem with your idea of this being Batman fault, even partly, as well as the people int the comments why does it have to fall on the Batman kill the joker why can’t the law kill the joker. Batman doesn’t kill most superheroes in DC don’t kill because even though they are heroes they know they’re not above the law. heroes operate in a legal gray area in most cases especially ones that have freaking armor tanks for cars.
Why does it fall on batman to be the one to take to joker out. Why couldn’t the law do it, even if he was crazy why don’t people just vote guilty for joker. he doesn’t exactly plead insanity. Hell in one instance superman straight up said people wouldn’t trust heroes that kill why does it need to fall on Batman to be judge jury and executioner when joker should’ve been since his death 100 times over for his crimes why does the batman have to shoulder that burden?
It’s not Batman’s responsibility to kill Joker Batman is not the law, the judge and jury are and he should be executed, but no they just throw him in Arkham instead, but no that’s batman’s fault😠😤😩
I agree it’s not Batman’s responsibility, if the law decides to keep sentencing joker as insane then all he can do is return him to Arkham
People who think Batman should not try to save jokers life...
Remember what happened in the injustice games ?
Remember what happened to super man ?
*remember the bad ending of injustice 2 ?*
The injustice games started because of joker. letting a police or someone like jason todd kill him would easily be the end of joker. Its not like as soon as a person kills the joker they get gis Iq or status smdh, the only reason joker is alive is because his boyfriend batman wont let anyone kill him
5 Times Joker Has Saved The Batman
I’d love to have like a geek out conversation with this dude like in person or over video call or something because it’d be so fun
Batman didn't want to resurrect Jason because he new he would come back different. The Lazarus Pit might bring your body back, but not your soul. You will never be the same and he did not want Jason to end up like that
This is all the reasons why I love when Batman kills the Joker in Injustice Year 3, at least in a dream. He actually did it because it would save Superman from further threat of the Joker, but also save the world from devastation as Superman took control. It’s beautiful
OK HE CANT GET REVENGE FOR JASON'S DEATH BUT JE CAN FOR DAMIAN -_- I LOVE DAMIAN BUT THERE BOTH HIS SON'S
He was weak with jason, he was stronger with Damian because he already dealt with pain, he couldn't take it
Not 5 Times But Every Single Damn Time, Everytime Batman Saves Joker's Life When Batman Captures Joker, Everytime!
I can see what you mean Needlemouse, but Batman's character and moral code is so important. If he were to kill the Joker, he'd sink to his level. Like what Captain Marvel said in Justice League Unlimited,
"I've always found a way to win without sinking to their level. Always."
And yes, letting someone die does count as murder. You even said so yourself in one of your own videos. An eye for an eye is not justice.
Why on earth would batman want to save the joker’s life? I mean it’s not like he’s killing him he’s just letting nature take its course...
I think under the red hood gives the best reason for why batman has to save the joker. If he doesn’t or he kills the joker. If he’s directly responsible, he won’t stop. It’s like that saying one link made easily helps makes the next till your bound in a chain that binds all. Batman is so insane he’s sane insane but he’s on a knife edge. Realistically if you gave batman the right push he’d become no better than any other villain. He needed to be unmoving in his morality because if he does move he will fall. In a way he is saving people because of the two of them batman would be more terrifying then the joker as a villain. This is why batman is so appealing compared to other hero’s. he has to be a rock because he’s so close to being unstable. When you think about it, he has vert few positive forces in his life. He lives in the dark, it’d be so easy to fall. In this regard he has to save the joker because he can’t give an inch. If he does it for the joker, why not for the other supervillains who kill people, then why not for ordinary villains, then what is a villain, is it all criminals? You can see where he could so easily go, the red hood show gives this perfectly when batman and Jason talk. This is why the joker wants to break Batman’s rules. The joker is insane but he is clever and he knows that if batman kills him he will have left a legacy worse then his own. That’s why their relationship is so interesting, if the batman truely ends the joker, the joker wins. Ironically every time the joker pulls of one of his plans, he wins the battle but not the war. Batman can’t win the war without losing it. It’s the worse stalemate. In reality why Gotham haven’t put joker through the death penalty I don’t know. If they did that would solve everything as it’s not the batman who’s done anything, he protected the city, sorta followed the law and the law and justice department made the decision. The people of Gotham are equally as culpable as Batman, the big difference is that if the people kill the joker that doesn’t make things worse as it’s a democracy decision and the will of society. No man is greater then the system, batman killing means the reverse happens
When evil rises a greater good will come to destroy it,
When good rises a greater evil will come to destroy it.
Killing Joker may just pave the road for someone worse to come in and do far worse.
There’s only one way to stop the joker the joker is insane he’s crazy trying to kill like bazillion people I feel like to give him a compassion ring the ring chose to but we give someone with her hearts of compassion what someone has no compassion at all on the ring gives you compassion so I feel like this is the only way to stop joker and stop making them go crazy and keep keep killing people in but I think you also stay in the compassion and Lenten core where his home is you love to stay where he is can you probably will have to leave by men’s like a duel team as well because the compassion gives you compassion
The mental state of someone using a lazuris pit depends on the purity of the dianeceum in the pool, when know vandal savage was the first one to ever use the dianeceum and as such gained immortality, ra's has the same dianeceum in his pits but over the centuries of exposure the pits have become more impure over time, witch lead to the dianeceum pool under Gotham, it was possibly the most refined lazuris pit we've seen and using it redirected batman and joker and even cured joker of his insanity, and batman of his trauma, so yes depending on the pit you can return insane, or perfect fine
Personally I think Batman should kill the joker because he just can and it will get the criminals he fights a better reason to fear him. It would also be more heroic and justified if he killed someone with no self regard for life it would make Gotham more safe and the people not have the paranoia of a man killing random people no matter what.
It makes zero sense that Batman would resurrect Joker who killed thousands of people but when some heroes or citizens he knows who’s family members have died, he does not care about them or try to resurrect them.