Great analysis and great video. I realize you don't have context because of your younger age at the time, but Tims first Batman was perfectly suited for the time it came out: the grittiness along with the over the top exaggerations was perfect for the rough and gritty times of the 80's and 90's. A time when there was less cameras and safety. When you had to learn quickly how to survive on your own without the protections and monitoring of "big brother". A time when everything good meant so much more cause you knew when bad times came, it was up to you to deal with it with little help from anyone except maybe a few family and closer friends. It really showed how sometimes you have to go farther with repercussions because then there was even less chance a wrong would be righted and it wasn't about " emotional " response. It was as the Heath Ledger Joker said in the later movie, about sending a message that you couldn't be run over by people. Cause if you let 1 do it, others WOULD try. That's why Tim's Batman is still so revered by the older fans that the younger generations may not get, living in the safer world we live in today. @lancelloti
What an amazing video, I love how you put every version of Batman in his own context; they don't need to compete, we need to understand that we are enjoying different interpretations of the idea that Batman is, and learn to love every take. Also, could you share what song did you use on 17:00? I love the eerie feeling.
This was really good!! Please consider a part 2 and include Val and Clooney’s take and apparel… I feel like Bat-Nipples was really missing from the discussion.
Burton is how the every day citizens of Gotham see Batman-A theatrical display of heroism and an icon against crime. Nolan is how Batman's teammates and family see Batman-A human soldier on the front lines handling the fights nobody else can handle Snyder is how Batman's enemies see Batman-An inhuman force of nature forged from fear itself And Reeves is how Batman sees Batman-A broken man fixing the demons of his past by combating the ones in the streets
Agreed! This took the time to cultivate the artistic intentions whether they were liked or not but they are interpretations. These are the kind of essays I look for when coming on to you tube. I’m seeking enlightenment on things only I felt when watching these films.
I'm not even gonna lie though I would say that I sorta enjoy mindlessly watching story recap essays weirdly enough. But yeah this one was excellent, one of the better ones out there.
Each Batman is also at a slightly different point in the career. Keaton and Pattinson are early days, when Batman is still motivated by a combination of anger and idealism. Bale gives us a veteran who knows his business and has his emotions under decent control. Affleck is at the end of his career, watching as things get worse, despite his best efforts. His idealism has faded, leaving nothing but frustration.
@@charleshurst1015Ben Affleck's Batman is a jaded veteran superhero pretty far from the end of his career. He has at least another ten years in the field.
@@terrywalters4917 Ben Afleck did say on conan that the director chose him to play batman because his batman was older and brutal like a boxer in the 12th round and everything is falling apart around him.
@@sebswede9005 I’ll give you the Warehouse scene, but in general, it wasn’t just constantly like how Arkham does it. To me, saying something is doing it “how Arkham would” or the equivalent of said statement, would mean it’s either doing the exact stuff you’d see in Arkham for a specific scene (or equivalent), or it’s close enough to Arkham throughout a lot of the movie/other media
The batman has many parallels with Arkham origins like young and angry batman, criminals see him as animal,both wears armour suits,both likes to work alone,both are batman 24x7,both realised they need to change thier way after end of story when Alfred was Attacked and even thier fighting style is exactly similar like both has no kill rule but are brutal
@@AiHelper123 Yeah, they’re both early Batman origin stories that share similarities to Year One (although they’re both second year stories) and similar
Pattinson delivered an excellent performance, but it doesn't mean he wasn't miscast. Strangely, an ideal casting choice would be Henry Cavill for Bruce Wayne/Batman. The former Superman actor is a better physical match for the role. Just as David Corenswet is a better match for Kal-El/ Superman, check the source material comic books to verify.
Imo Pattinson wasn’t the greatest Batman but I felt like he was an amazing Bruce Wayne. I understand Bruce is supposed to be this partying playboy but I think the shut in depressed hermit fits so much better
@@terrywalters4917to say physical match Henry Cavil and Chris Evans should take on basically every male comic superhuman character😂 For Batman, his jawline should be sharp and thin lined, not heavily strong because he’s a normal human with extreme physical training, who didn’t care much for health. lips thin because he’d always gritting his teeth, eyes dark and deep and even hollowed. Overall Henry maybe can do a prime time justice league leader Batman, but for the early years Robert was definitely a better fit.
@@ivychen7242exactly, The Cavill fanboys wants to see him cast in every character.I love him too but I can't also deny the fact that Robert Pattinson is a much better actor than Henry Cavill and he was the perfect choice for Batman.
It’s really refreshing and nice to see a Batman video that isn’t spent trying to talk negatively about each one besides your favorite like most videos are. Each Batman interpretation has something to celebrate and every fan can have a unique personal connection. It doesn’t need to be a war each time Batman fans interact with each other
@@TallicaMan1986 writing is also subjective but for the rest of us who just love batman, all iterations are good in there own way...no benefit in only being stuck on a movie that came out in 2008 and a show from the 90s
One thing I remember from reading interviews is that Nolan's Batman, they really wanted to emphasize his mastery of stealth. That's why you just gets glimpses of him before his true reveal and its why you will never hear Batman's footsteps in Nolan's movies. Batman is a creature of the night, an unseen predator. Meanwhile, Matt Reeves's Batma- STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP
@dean988 I liked that. Shows that Battinson Bruce still has so much to learn. Doubled down on by his use of a parachute, something a more experienced Bats would NEVER have to use
@@jaybarbieri8619 oh yeah no i loved it, it was super funny but it was also very revealing of who this new batman currently is in a natural way; show don’t tell i think part of why i found it so funny as well was because it was shocking to see a batman so realistically fuck that up compared to the previous iterations, which is also why i think it was a great moment
I’d even go to say Nolan’s trilogy is intellectual as a word to describe it on further thought, as it’s packed with concepts, ideals, philosophies, while all of the characters speak like archetypes and so on point, it doesn’t feel like there’s room for the human emotional messiness in character (which is good and feels real) in Reeves’ universe
One of the reasons why I like The Batman so much is that it actually dives into the Detective aspect of the character. Because while he is a crime fighter his title in every iteration is "The World's Greatest Detective" hell even his debut comic was called "Detective Comics". I'm glad we finally saw that side on the big screen. Although my all time favorite Batman is from the Arkham Games
You mean him solving the riddles in a minute and knowing exactly what it all meant so he can go to the big building with a spinning green structure and had all the brainwaves flowing to it wasn't satisfying enough? 😂😂😂
You're acting like Bale wasn't a good detective. He literally took a device that reconstructed the bullet in a wall, and he also had a device to connect all phones. This is modern detective work. Not some fucking riddles. "HUHU RIDDLE ME THIS BATMAN. HAHA I'M 12". Bullshit.
@@robertmusil1107 yeah but it wasn't the main focus of the films and only accounted for like 2 scenes. He still was just a punchy man the whole time, I mean really focusing on detective work in the films
@@okaberintorouwithagun If Batman were smart in The Batman, he would have solved the case in the first 15 minutes of the movie. The entire movie is Batman being a bad detective, because otherwise the movie would only be one scene. This automatically explains why Nolan's Batman only has a few scenes of him being a detective, because if the movie were about Batman being a detective, the story would only have one scene. The plot needs to go beyond that. The result is that it becomes a chess game between Batman and the Joker. Unless you make a super complex plot, it is impossible to make a detective movie about Batman when he is extremely competent at his job. It is no wonder that all of Batman's detective stories are him at the beginning of his career being a bad detective, like Long Hallowen, for example. All of Batman's detective stories are him being a bad detective to drag the plot along.
The fact that he couldn't figure out "You are el" was "URL" and not latin immediately destroyed all claims of intelligence both Batman and Jim Gordon had in that movie. Absolutely pathetic resolution for a mystery. Not to mention 90% of the movie it's just Batman standing there getting talked at and brooding.
With each Batman being a response to the previous one, it might mean Gunns Batman will be a more heroic icon of a Batman rather than The Batman’s damaged personal incarnation. Especially with Damian being Robin, a Robin that himself is brooding. It would make sense that this upcoming Batman will be a more hopeful and joyful version.
I think Gunn’s Batman will lean heavily into the more emotional, down-to-earth family aspects, especially with the inclusion of Damian and potentially the extended Bat-family. More whole, more joyous like you said, and more brave and bold. Besides, Gunn’s movies always dealt with found family stories and are heavy with emotions.
Following the art description, the new Batman will be an adaptation of the Impressionism movement, which brings light and grandiose to the usual typical and ordinary scenarios
I personally think the batman is the best done movie in terms of comic accuracy, fun and quality but every version of batman has had atleast some incredible parts to it and usually are done incredibly.
Yeah he's brutal but to the point and ends fights quickly with swift but strong punches. He only gets excessive at the end with that one goon but this is a young Batman still prone to more violent outburst when that people he cares about are in danger. Plus he took a shot of adrenaline he wasn't all there mentally and was hyped up.
This was one of the best videos I've watched on Batman in a while. Usually a video "essay" would be about their opinion and why it matters, but this takes a very academic approach that's a breath of fresh air. Kudos.
I've never cared about movies artistically and psychologically, but after I started watching you, I can't watch a movie without appreciating the work of the acting and the directing and writing beauty of films.
Nice channel alright. As for what you've gotten a taste for; I read all Thomas Harris in anticipation of The Silence of the Lambs having seen Manhunter too by the time Lambs came out (1990 I think ) and it's always given me some appreciation of artistry and psychology in film. I was like 11-12 years old hogging up my three elder siblings reading materials, a five year gap between me and my eldest sister whose books I raided. Weirdly, Harris came in a three books in one fat tome. David Fincher is good for artistry with deep and dark psychology and great colour pallets. Micheal Mann explores these areas too. Enjoy. ❤
@@skepticmonkey6923 Why did you watch movies as a kid? I'm guessing it's not because of the artistry. The action and plot had you hooked. Did you think I watched the first Iron man and looked at the screen thinking "The cinematography is quite well filmed. Quite well indeed."? Now that I'm grown, I can appreciate a film for the work of the people who worked on it and not because Spider-Man is doing backflips.
@@skepticmonkey6923 not everyone pays attention to that stuff, for some it's simply a way to spend their time doing something. I didn't get into the "art" of Film/TV until I picked up a camera and learned more about the process.
@thewhitewolf58 my bro if you think Snyders DC movies are "Depressing" then you missed the entire point. It's about finding the Hope after pushing through the darkness. Being hopeful isn't the absence of Darkness and so many of you don't understand that it's shocking.
I actually really love Robert Pattinson's Batman. It gave me some serious nostalgia to the Arkham games, with the whole movie being kind of like a game of detective, and Batman being this force to be reckoned with. Using Riddler as the villain for this Batman's opening premier created a version of Batman I've longed to see for quite some time. He's a detective, solving cryptic puzzles one step at a time, getting closer and closer to catching the Riddler. And in the meantime, he's a destructive force, beating down anyone who gets in his way, but not without failure. He's still in his earlier days, before he became a symbol of anything other than fear and pain to his enemies. He's vengeance, not Batman. But his methods keep him coming up just short of total success every single time, so he makes a change and aims to become a symbol of hope and peace. It's the most human feeling Batman has ever felt, and also probably the most realistically plausible version of Gotham as a whole.
It really does speak to the versatility of Batman as a character. The amount of storytelling and characterization that can be told through things like the suit, the way Gotham is portrayed, and then of course his actions themselves. Vastly different feelings and tones and yet they’re all the same guy. and the best part is that in actuality, they’re all correct. Also I’d love to see you do a similar kind of video for the multiple interpretations of Superman in movies, but then again there’s only two really until next year. Maybe Spider-man then
@@dynomyte9357 Only people who don't know much about Superman would say this- especially when you look at certain comics and animated series, Superman can be a very interesting character.
Wow, this is the best Batman video I have ever seen. You really justify the visions and diffrences of the movies in a way that let me realise how good every director made their own Batman!
I still feel like he's way much credited to Burton batman. With all due respect, his batman still looks campy and cheesy. Like, the costume design is ripped straight out of the comics, not realizing how good it will look to people in real life.
idk if David Mazouz counts (Bruce Wayne from Gotham), especially since he does most of his detective work in the show before he puts on any form of batsuit, but I think figuring out who killed his parents and the existence of the Court of Owls, all while being like 14, makes him the best.
The moment in The Batman when Riddler says Bruceee.......Wayne....... to Batman. The expressions delivered by Pattinson was just too real. The extreme close up while i was watching the movie in theatre the acting felt so real. Can't wait for part 2
Nice work. You don’t hear a lot of review about the suits and you’re exactly right on Batman’s artistic periods of inspiration. Batman “on the whole” is kind of a romantic character but always is supposed to have that subtle grace of being grounded.
we understand it, we just think his take on batmman completely misrepresents the character. the thing that makes batman "batman" is his value of human life people don't understand his no kill rule, it's not because if he kills once then he'll never stop, he won't turn into the punisher, it's not because he thinks there's a better way or anything it's just as simple as he thinks killing is wrong, he values human life above all else, to the most stubborn degree, it's highlighted perfectly in arkham city ua-cam.com/video/NIO4JKLr28g/v-deo.html probably my favourite exchange between batman and the joker, everything is perfect, everything about this scene perfectly captures both characters I understand, snyder wanted a tank of a human, he wanted a brutal batman, but that's just not who batman is, batman is about putting fear into those he faces and incapacitation. in the animated series, batman is actually really empathetic to a good deal of his villains, trying to help them if you like snyders version of batman is a good version, then you don't like batman, you like the punisher and I assure you, the punisher comics will get you what snyders batman was doing and more zack snyder should do a punisher movie honestly cause his take on batman doesn't work for batman but would work great for punisher in a vacuum snyders "batman" is good, but it's just a terrible batman, great vigalante concept though
@@KYCDK I respect your opinion, but it won't change anything. I just think it's great for people understand a character what their motives are, instead of finding something to be so angry about it. I find it quite annoying how people can just forget Keaton and Bale who also killed people too. And there was no need to write a whole paragraph about it.
I have never seen such a well thought out analysis of Batman in film, and I'm super greatful for seeing this today because holy shit, interpretation is everything. Absolutely loved this, thank you for making it, your editing and music choices were super cool too btw
I think the most interesting thing about Batman V Superman is that, unlike most stories that pit the two against each other, in this movie, Batman plays the villain. Superman wants nothing to do with him, until Luthor forces him to, whereas Batman is losing sleep and degrading mentally over his fear of Clark. His scenes are shot like a monster movie, his voice is inhuman, and even his theme is dark and taunting like a villains theme.
Too bad the whole thing was executed so poorly. There was potential for something great there, but it just got watered down with too many ideas for one single movie
It kind of reminds me of a line from the Nolan series. Snyder Batman had gotten to the point where he really thought killing Superman because he might turn evil later was the right thing to do. He really did 'Live long enough to see himself become the villain".
As a marvel fan, one thing I adore about DC films (mostly Batman and Superman films) is how the city is a character as well. For each live action interpretation of Batman, there is one of Gotham city. Definitely some of the best ones is Batman, Batman Begins and Reeves, because they all try to create that gothic and just dirty feel.
The only time I feel like the city was an actual character in a Marvel film was in The Amazing Spider-Man. The way that Spidey and the people of his NYC interacted is what got me into superhero films.
I truly enjoyed your break down of each batman which has ever been brought to big screen, specifically what i like how you said that Christopher nolan's batman has been the most mentally stable batman we have encounter on top of that it is truly one of the complete batman origin films has been produced
I am not joking when I'm saying that this is one of my favorite UA-cam videos of all time. You really went that extra way to show the cultural connections between not just the characters but the movies' themes and styles. I really hope you continue with this style of content because you are genuinely amazing at telling and it's a gift you have been given. Keep it up
@@saurabhsaralaya1824I don't think he was making a prescription about where Arkham took its inspiration from or the continuity, just that when comparing Arkham Batman with the movie Batmen these two elements are the closest.
Props for their directors. Burton, Nolan, Snyder, and Reeves. They've all done a great job of bringing their take on Batman. Can't wait for James Gunns.
Wow man, this was poetical, you fill the void that I have that there are not many (or any) people that are willing to go to these subjects let alone understand them. This felt like being part of an amazing conversation even if only you were speaking. Thank you!
i want to say thank you, as a person who really likes to analyze films and their meaning and their depiction of the world, that you made this video. This game me new points for films to look into more.
I like the suit cuz I got into the batman earth one storyline so I thought that the director also read it as the boots, the suit, everything is similar to the comic, the boots are combat and leather, unfit for stealth, or could smudge fingerprints, his style is more combat based not much martial artist
@@MmmScotty sit down child Reeves The Batman is already the greatest live action Batman movie and he is only getting started there's still 2 more movies to go and when it's said and done Reeves and Battison will have the crown
Thats an incredible video, i love ur analyses and how u use ur words and actual refering to the types of storytelling and literary art. I really enjoyed watching this. Thanks for this effort.
Man each shot from Reeve’s batman is so awesome. You could write an essay portraying the emotions, darkness and the atmospheric influence of the batman. Each shot literally has really cool symbolism, it feels more grounded compared to other “super hero movies-like” movies.
A wonderful video with great analysis of not only different versions of this legendary character but also differences and dichotomy of different art styles as well as psychological aspects of the films and those four versions of Batman, thank you for this laconic yet deep and entertaining video essay.
Jay Oliva recently commented on an animated scene from Teen Titans: The Judas Contract, depicting a fight involving Dick Grayson (in his civilian identity) who is attacked by Deathstroke. Oliva linked his storyboarding work on that to Ben Affleck's script.
I grew up on christian bales batman, he felt like a bored billionaire with futuristic tech, while Bens felt forced to be equal to superman. After rewatching The Batman, Roberts feels grounded, and could be real, the tech doesnt feel far fetched, the way he enters fights from on foot, his emotions. I think Robert has become my favourite batman and im excited for the next movie
I was looking for a comment like this me too Robert has become my favourite Batman because I feel like I KNOW him and his struggles he is just a man behind the suit
Completely agree, Pattinsons Batman is ramshackle with gear on a “What if I have to deal with this scenario” build. It’s clunky, he’s learning, he barely survives expending every “What if” gadget in his belt, down to the last flare. I love it.
This is the kind of comic book movie video essay that is more than just explaining the movie and it’s themes but also applying it to other mediums like art. Very well crafted I loved it
It's a damn shame we didn't get a solo Batfleck film before all of the Justice League stuff. That warehouse scene felt like it sprang from the pages of a comic book onto the big screen. Spectacular
That's because WB wanted to rush. Zack Snyder's original plan was to have MOS2, batman solo film, and then BVS. Giving more time to each character. And more films in between that and justice league. But WB wanted to beat marvel. So they rushed him.
@@flamingburittoand a decade later Warner still refuse to admit their mistake. I would've loved to see a solo Batfleck, MOS2, and the planned Justice League trilogy. I loved the scenes with Darkseid and hated that this is all we were going to get.
It really sucks because Batlfeck is the perfect live action Batman thus far. Has Arkham's physique, has Batman's affinity for planning ahead, has Arkham's/Old Batman's brutality, and his costume and Batmobile are fire
Wow this video was great from start to finish. It was a class in art, filmmaking, acting and even the psychology of the directors of each of the films themselves. It was wonderful. Thank you very much.
This was such a thorough, respectful, and absolutely wonderful breakdown of the different interpretations of this character. I feel that I’ve learned so much about character design from this video essay, which is especially appreciated as I am an aspiring writer looking for resources to improve my writing. Keep up the fantastic work. ❤️
"Instilling fear doesn't heal a broken society." I'm reminded of a Warhammer 30k character who used fear to bring "peace" to the planet he landed on. With the ability of foresight, he always believed the worst and dark future in humanity and carried out justice and vengeance in the most extremes instead of choosing to trust and instill hope. When he left the planet, the people realized this, and upon doing so went back to their old horrible ways. Inevitably, when he returned to his home and found it fell back to old habits, he gave the order to destroy it. There's quite a bit I left out but hearing that quote reminded me of this character.
I bieg to differ. If cryminals are in fear they will need to learn witchout commiting crime. This lives them being forced to rehabilitate or die at the same time giving the Innocent people of Gotham a society where their efforts won't be destroyed by a pice of shit cryminal. Instilling fear in fact does heal a broken society
Your analysis and perspective on all 4 of these interpretations celebrates everything I love about Batman's film interpretations. Each has their own way of shedding light on different aspects of the same character through different lenses. It's so refreshing to see this rather than another comparison and objective preference video. To me, each of these interpretations represents a place on the "Mount Rushmore" of Batman. He's the James Bond of superheroes and I love learning more and more about him through each adaptation.
I noticed that everyone prior to Affleck and Pattinson have stiffer movement, probably due to the suit's limitations, Keaton and Bale don't move around much and just block and fight with their hands while Affleck and Pattinson have more body movement
Bale gives a sense that he doesn't have to move much because he's predicted it and is always right where he needs to be. Kinda like his Batman learnt that bullet-dodging martial arts from one of his other movies.
you could say Nolan’s Batman was the most high-tech and Snyder’s Batman was kind of an older version who grew more brutal and ditched the tech to use his strength instead, went from believing in mercy and honor, to not really caring what damage he causes as long as innocent lives aren’t lost
If I recall, I heard that that the logo of Reeve's Batman was made of the gun that killed his parents. It's complementing what you said that the each batman responds to its predecessor. • Burton's logo with a sense of introduction • Nolan's logo shows subtlety, a nature of batman that is discreet (and realistic, as what you said.) • Snyder's logo is huge, with bulky designs. It's like depicting a greek god, Hades maybe? • And Reeve's logo is more like a reminder to Bruce about his purpose, and it's raw motivation to become the Batman.
So far, this is just a fan-made theory but it would be cool And in the movie it would not make much sense because it's said that the murder of Thomas and Martha Wayne was never solved (so there is probably no found weapon to turn into the bat symbol)
This was so in-depth so detailed and you backed up everything it just drew me in with every explanation every understanding every reasoning with the patterns. This is a phenomenal story on how not just the Batmen are different but how they sort of branch off of each other and mirror each other reflecting the opposite
All of them are great in their respective ways. Keaton is the classical, Bale is the professional, Affleck is the savage, and Pattinson is the mysterious.
The grandiose, very acrobatic fighting and eroticised costuming in the Schumacher films would have fit nicely in here, just for balance. Schumacher's approach lends itself very well to aestheticism- celebrating beauty for its own sake. Also, I've always admired Reeves' film rather than loving it. However, you've made me really want to re-engage with it! Wonderful video essay.
Agreed. I understood why they weren’t mentioned, but especially since they were sort of part of a 4 movie quadrilogy, I thought they could help. A big reason for their design to begin with was how the Batman movies were pushed to be more “kid-friendly”, and sort of in response to that, you get more of the serious and dark tones in the Nolan trilogy and certainly in a lot of Begins
@@Jonathan-A.C. exactly this. I still remember first reading about how Chris Nolan would be making a new Batman film, and some of the leaked casting. My initial response was "finally, we're going to get a realistic Batman film". I still have a bit of a nostalgic soft spot for Batman & Robin, but am under no illusions that it's anything but a complete turkey.
I loved the appreciation of the filmmakers and thier different cinematography and comparison of aesthetics from different world periods, this is a fantastic video essay.
I know a lot of people didn't like Afflecks Batman but I kinda liked the whole "I'm tired of the bullshit and I'm just gonna kick ass" vibe. I guess that whats happens naturally when you try to trust the system to many times but it constantly brings you down.
I don't think there is anything wrong with that concept for batman and it has been done well before in certain comic runs but the issue with Afflecks Batman is that we never see why and how he even got to that point. We're just told what it was but that's not very satisfying for a viewer and you don't really get to appreciate him being a changed batman since you only see him as the now hyper-violent snyder version.
@@joedatius bvs starts with him witnessing the destruction of Metropolis and the concequences of Superman's actions turning a child into an orphan. While we may not see him tired from fighting criminaIs or see the death of Robin, we do witness the event that catapults him into an antagonist. I just don't understand how people can't appreciate him changing his ways when we see him at his lowest at one point and doesn't even care if he lives or dies to then turning hopeful because of the symbol of hope himself. You can SEE the Battinson monologue happening to him throughout BVS and ZSJL.
@@clickycrustmuch of it is a reaction to how heroes in the MCU were portrayed vs. the DCEU. Many in the criticsphere hated how Snyder portrayed DC characters by infusing ethical dilehmas that strayed from the heros good villans bad trope. Also, many younger generations grew up with a batman that didn't kill and Snyders version kills there perception of what a hero should be.
@@clickycrustthat's because many hated Snyder for violating the no kill rule or putting heroes in compromising positions. Me I loved it because in my opinion it gave them depth that we were somewhat missing from their MCU counterparts. According to many DC critics, in the MCU the good guys were the good guys and inspired hope unlike the Snyderverse.
One of the best video essays I’ve seen on Batman, this was fantastic. It actually made me appreciate Snyder’s Batman a bit more as I was a bit of a hater. Great video!
Snyder's fight scenes feel much more like Batman of the comics to me. He's dramatic, brings shock & awe to a scene and of course, he performs feats that only superheroes can.
I feel like Burton's Batman is also a response to the Adam West version. In fact, very much in parallel to bronze age comics reacting to the lighthearted silver age, all Batman movies feel like a reaction to the 60's show. Not just in that it was silly (although it was), but in that West was an unambiguous, unconflicted paragon of virtue. Rather than evolving on his own, he was a static character that changed the world around him. I'm reminded of an interview in which West recalled numerous fan-letters from fatherless boys who looked up to him as a father figure. I think that anecdote perfectly encapsulates what sets West apart. I wonder what art movement might fit that? Based on two seconds of research, the exaggerated beauty and idealism of the Mannerism movement seems apt. That our the high Renaissance in general.
Your probably right. I remember being slightly nervous about going to see the 1989 Batman, just hoping it wasnt going to be like the Adam West tv series.
Dude was killing left and right in his early comics. Even Robin was drop kicking people off of skyscrapers lol. The "Batman doesn't kill" thing appeared later to not scare off younger audiences. In the movies, Keaton's Batman killed, Val Kilmer's killed Two Face, then there was Batfleck who killed 30+ people in his 2 movies.
This is the best video I've watched about big screen Batman representation. Personally I loved the DCEU batman the most. Because it showed what toll it took on Bruce to be fighting for all those years and then when he met Superman, it's like he found hope again. The symbolism that a lot of people failed to get in Snyder's version. Followed closely by Nolan's Batman, which as you perfectly stated, showed the perfect origin story of a freshly formed idea of Batman. I don't get the hate TDKR gets, because Bane was a really well written villain and it also showed how Batman had to evolve. Very excited to see what Robert Pattinson's version does ahead.
Can I just say from the bottom of my soul how much I love everything about everything about Batfleck? the way you described him was incredible and he has been my fave for a long time now but the way you said it; -"A romantic interpretation, or as I like to call it, a Knightmare Batman! "Snyder's Batman has the wildest premise because he has to face a deity on earth, That's why when he dons his suit this tormented version of Bruce resembles a demigod" I got the chills just listening to you describe him and break it down, probably the edgiest, angriest, most epic Batman ever and I thank you for the Video I love all the Batmen so thx Bro!!!
Amazing video that manages to unite Nolan, Snyder, and Reeves fans. Also, Batfleck is one of my favorite live action adaptations of Batman/Bruce Wayne alongside Christian Bale, Pattinson would be behind those two, and i thought his movie was great 💯.
Brilliant work, though I do wish the Schumacher films got a mention. Obviously they're an extension and exaggeration of the baroque theatrical design of Burtons Batman, but I think there is enough individuality there to warrant a bit of a dive.
Fantastic editing transition to Raycon! I have yet to have seen such a tasteful in-depth analysis of the Batman franchise from both a production and fictional points of views. You went in on how different each Batman interpretation was, and yet, this video turned out to be harmonious in how each Batman understood the character. Also, I see you left out Joel Schumaker's Batman. Anyone can agree that they didn't understand the character. Excellent analysis! 👏👏👏
I loved everything about batfleck. I wish he would’ve gotten a solo film. Also, it’s a comic book movie. There doesn’t need to be as much realism compared to our world.
Damn. I love how you wove the story of Cinema Batman into a reflection of classical art and literature. It almost makes me want to go learn more about these time periods.
My favorite Batman scene from any of the movies is when vengeance dies, and Batman is symbolically reborn, as if baptized through the death of vengeance, especially with the red flare and all.
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Great analysis and great video. I realize you don't have context because of your younger age at the time, but Tims first Batman was perfectly suited for the time it came out: the grittiness along with the over the top exaggerations was perfect for the rough and gritty times of the 80's and 90's. A time when there was less cameras and safety. When you had to learn quickly how to survive on your own without the protections and monitoring of "big brother". A time when everything good meant so much more cause you knew when bad times came, it was up to you to deal with it with little help from anyone except maybe a few family and closer friends. It really showed how sometimes you have to go farther with repercussions because then there was even less chance a wrong would be righted and it wasn't about " emotional " response. It was as the Heath Ledger Joker said in the later movie, about sending a message that you couldn't be run over by people. Cause if you let 1 do it, others WOULD try. That's why Tim's Batman is still so revered by the older fans that the younger generations may not get, living in the safer world we live in today. @lancelloti
What an amazing video, I love how you put every version of Batman in his own context; they don't need to compete, we need to understand that we are enjoying different interpretations of the idea that Batman is, and learn to love every take.
Also, could you share what song did you use on 17:00? I love the eerie feeling.
This was really good!! Please consider a part 2 and include Val and Clooney’s take and apparel… I feel like Bat-Nipples was really missing from the discussion.
What about Joel Schumacher's Batman? How does it fit in?
Im Glad to see the sucess your work deserve el carbon
Burton is how the every day citizens of Gotham see Batman-A theatrical display of heroism and an icon against crime.
Nolan is how Batman's teammates and family see Batman-A human soldier on the front lines handling the fights nobody else can handle
Snyder is how Batman's enemies see Batman-An inhuman force of nature forged from fear itself
And Reeves is how Batman sees Batman-A broken man fixing the demons of his past by combating the ones in the streets
This! This is gold
Perfection 💪
GREAT comment. Well done bro!
Burton and Nolan ❤
Snyder's is the Batman who never wipes.
Most “essays”
90% story recap
9% AD READ
1% original ideas and analysis
THIS video was not one of them
Thank you!
Agreed! This took the time to cultivate the artistic intentions whether they were liked or not but they are interpretations. These are the kind of essays I look for when coming on to you tube. I’m seeking enlightenment on things only I felt when watching these films.
I'm not even gonna lie though I would say that I sorta enjoy mindlessly watching story recap essays weirdly enough. But yeah this one was excellent, one of the better ones out there.
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Critical drinker is so bad for that
@@Ryan-tv6cyyeah i stopped watching critical drinker a long time ago
This is one of the most intelligently written videos essays I have seen and you compacted all of it in less than half an hour. This is very well done
thank you
Each Batman is also at a slightly different point in the career.
Keaton and Pattinson are early days, when Batman is still motivated by a combination of anger and idealism.
Bale gives us a veteran who knows his business and has his emotions under decent control.
Affleck is at the end of his career, watching as things get worse, despite his best efforts. His idealism has faded, leaving nothing but frustration.
@@charleshurst1015Ben Affleck's Batman is a jaded veteran superhero pretty far from the end of his career. He has at least another ten years in the field.
Bale's Batman literally is the only Batman that shows his early days of day one
@@terrywalters4917Ben is the one I would see in 10 or 20 years as Bruce in Batman Beyond.
@@terrywalters4917 Ben Afleck did say on conan that the director chose him to play batman because his batman was older and brutal like a boxer in the 12th round and everything is falling apart around him.
@@Apostles333exactly
Now that I look at it Robert Pattinson was really hitting some Arkham combos
He has some cool moves, but IMO, not even Batfleck was doing Arkham stuff
@@Jonathan-A.C. The Warehouse fight scene in BvS is where Batffleck did some Arkham stuff.
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I’ll give you the Warehouse scene, but in general, it wasn’t just constantly like how Arkham does it. To me, saying something is doing it “how Arkham would” or the equivalent of said statement, would mean it’s either doing the exact stuff you’d see in Arkham for a specific scene (or equivalent), or it’s close enough to Arkham throughout a lot of the movie/other media
The batman has many parallels with Arkham origins like young and angry batman, criminals see him as animal,both wears armour suits,both likes to work alone,both are batman 24x7,both realised they need to change thier way after end of story when Alfred was Attacked and even thier fighting style is exactly similar like both has no kill rule but are brutal
@@AiHelper123
Yeah, they’re both early Batman origin stories that share similarities to Year One (although they’re both second year stories) and similar
Pattinson felt like a odd choice for Batman but oh boy did he deliver. I adore the Dark Knight trilogy but the Reeves' Batman has become my favorite.
Pattinson delivered an excellent performance, but it doesn't mean he wasn't miscast. Strangely, an ideal casting choice would be Henry Cavill for Bruce Wayne/Batman. The former Superman actor is a better physical match for the role. Just as David Corenswet is a better match for Kal-El/ Superman, check the source material comic books to verify.
Imo Pattinson wasn’t the greatest Batman but I felt like he was an amazing Bruce Wayne. I understand Bruce is supposed to be this partying playboy but I think the shut in depressed hermit fits so much better
well hes play vampire before so its gonna be fine even hes playting man bat
@@terrywalters4917to say physical match Henry Cavil and Chris Evans should take on basically every male comic superhuman character😂 For Batman, his jawline should be sharp and thin lined, not heavily strong because he’s a normal human with extreme physical training, who didn’t care much for health. lips thin because he’d always gritting his teeth, eyes dark and deep and even hollowed. Overall Henry maybe can do a prime time justice league leader Batman, but for the early years Robert was definitely a better fit.
@@ivychen7242exactly, The Cavill fanboys wants to see him cast in every character.I love him too but I can't also deny the fact that Robert Pattinson is a much better actor than Henry Cavill and he was the perfect choice for Batman.
It’s really refreshing and nice to see a Batman video that isn’t spent trying to talk negatively about each one besides your favorite like most videos are. Each Batman interpretation has something to celebrate and every fan can have a unique personal connection. It doesn’t need to be a war each time Batman fans interact with each other
Yeah, no Batman is trash now and needs heavy criticism to fix these God awful movies. The Darknight is the best.
@@Weeklythrower58 The Animated Batman Series Is Not Nostalgia. Nor is The Darknight.
@@TallicaMan1986 those are both literally nostalgia......batman is far from trash now
@@formerjzm Nope. Writing is Timeless.
@@TallicaMan1986 writing is also subjective but for the rest of us who just love batman, all iterations are good in there own way...no benefit in only being stuck on a movie that came out in 2008 and a show from the 90s
One thing I remember from reading interviews is that Nolan's Batman, they really wanted to emphasize his mastery of stealth. That's why you just gets glimpses of him before his true reveal and its why you will never hear Batman's footsteps in Nolan's movies. Batman is a creature of the night, an unseen predator.
Meanwhile, Matt Reeves's Batma- STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP
i was thinking of pattinson flying into the wall or whatever it was during his glider scene 😭
@dean988 I liked that. Shows that Battinson Bruce still has so much to learn. Doubled down on by his use of a parachute, something a more experienced Bats would NEVER have to use
its not the stomp of boots. its the sound of wings in the night.
Battinson did ghost that one cop towards the end tho’. But yeah he hella stomped.
@@jaybarbieri8619 oh yeah no i loved it, it was super funny but it was also very revealing of who this new batman currently is in a natural way; show don’t tell
i think part of why i found it so funny as well was because it was shocking to see a batman so realistically fuck that up compared to the previous iterations, which is also why i think it was a great moment
Burton - Fantastical
Nolan - Philosophical
Snyder - Mythical
Reeves - Emotional
lol🤣
Reeves is Psychological. Everything else is pretty much on point.
@@TheFractalVerse-o3l LOL
You have two accounts and your response is "lol" .@@danialm8122
I’d even go to say Nolan’s trilogy is intellectual as a word to describe it on further thought, as it’s packed with concepts, ideals, philosophies, while all of the characters speak like archetypes and so on point, it doesn’t feel like there’s room for the human emotional messiness in character (which is good and feels real) in Reeves’ universe
One of the reasons why I like The Batman so much is that it actually dives into the Detective aspect of the character. Because while he is a crime fighter his title in every iteration is "The World's Greatest Detective" hell even his debut comic was called "Detective Comics". I'm glad we finally saw that side on the big screen. Although my all time favorite Batman is from the Arkham Games
You mean him solving the riddles in a minute and knowing exactly what it all meant so he can go to the big building with a spinning green structure and had all the brainwaves flowing to it wasn't satisfying enough? 😂😂😂
You're acting like Bale wasn't a good detective. He literally took a device that reconstructed the bullet in a wall, and he also had a device to connect all phones. This is modern detective work. Not some fucking riddles. "HUHU RIDDLE ME THIS BATMAN. HAHA I'M 12". Bullshit.
@@robertmusil1107 yeah but it wasn't the main focus of the films and only accounted for like 2 scenes. He still was just a punchy man the whole time, I mean really focusing on detective work in the films
@@okaberintorouwithagun If Batman were smart in The Batman, he would have solved the case in the first 15 minutes of the movie. The entire movie is Batman being a bad detective, because otherwise the movie would only be one scene. This automatically explains why Nolan's Batman only has a few scenes of him being a detective, because if the movie were about Batman being a detective, the story would only have one scene. The plot needs to go beyond that. The result is that it becomes a chess game between Batman and the Joker.
Unless you make a super complex plot, it is impossible to make a detective movie about Batman when he is extremely competent at his job. It is no wonder that all of Batman's detective stories are him at the beginning of his career being a bad detective, like Long Hallowen, for example. All of Batman's detective stories are him being a bad detective to drag the plot along.
The fact that he couldn't figure out "You are el" was "URL" and not latin immediately destroyed all claims of intelligence both Batman and Jim Gordon had in that movie. Absolutely pathetic resolution for a mystery. Not to mention 90% of the movie it's just Batman standing there getting talked at and brooding.
With each Batman being a response to the previous one, it might mean Gunns Batman will be a more heroic icon of a Batman rather than The Batman’s damaged personal incarnation.
Especially with Damian being Robin, a Robin that himself is brooding. It would make sense that this upcoming Batman will be a more hopeful and joyful version.
I think Gunn’s Batman will lean heavily into the more emotional, down-to-earth family aspects, especially with the inclusion of Damian and potentially the extended Bat-family. More whole, more joyous like you said, and more brave and bold.
Besides, Gunn’s movies always dealt with found family stories and are heavy with emotions.
Sucks because post ZSJL/Flash Batman would've been perfect for this
Following the art description, the new Batman will be an adaptation of the Impressionism movement, which brings light and grandiose to the usual typical and ordinary scenarios
is it confirmed Damian will be Robin?
@@RhinoHorn7indeed it is
Bro not only shows the characters, but the cinematic aspect of it too, bro literally gave me an eye opening perspectives
I personally think the batman is the best done movie in terms of comic accuracy, fun and quality but every version of batman has had atleast some incredible parts to it and usually are done incredibly.
I think him being a normal human without superpowers is what makes him easier to adapt to film.
@@MumRahimagine a green arrow movie
Same
Yeah he's brutal but to the point and ends fights quickly with swift but strong punches. He only gets excessive at the end with that one goon but this is a young Batman still prone to more violent outburst when that people he cares about are in danger. Plus he took a shot of adrenaline he wasn't all there mentally and was hyped up.
@ansionnachbeagrioga5260the art book of the movie confirms its adrenaline. Venom isn’t established in this universe yet.
0:06 they're not the ones wearing hockey pads
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This was one of the best videos I've watched on Batman in a while. Usually a video "essay" would be about their opinion and why it matters, but this takes a very academic approach that's a breath of fresh air. Kudos.
I've never cared about movies artistically and psychologically, but after I started watching you, I can't watch a movie without appreciating the work of the acting and the directing and writing beauty of films.
Getting into photography changed how I look at everything I watch. It's like seeing things for the first time, with a fresh pair of eyes.
Nice channel alright. As for what you've gotten a taste for; I read all Thomas Harris in anticipation of The Silence of the Lambs having seen Manhunter too by the time Lambs came out (1990 I think ) and it's always given me some appreciation of artistry and psychology in film. I was like 11-12 years old hogging up my three elder siblings reading materials, a five year gap between me and my eldest sister whose books I raided. Weirdly, Harris came in a three books in one fat tome. David Fincher is good for artistry with deep and dark psychology and great colour pallets. Micheal Mann explores these areas too. Enjoy. ❤
Why tf have you been watching movies then god damn, the artistry is the whole point.
@@skepticmonkey6923 Why did you watch movies as a kid? I'm guessing it's not because of the artistry. The action and plot had you hooked. Did you think I watched the first Iron man and looked at the screen thinking "The cinematography is quite well filmed. Quite well indeed."? Now that I'm grown, I can appreciate a film for the work of the people who worked on it and not because Spider-Man is doing backflips.
@@skepticmonkey6923 not everyone pays attention to that stuff, for some it's simply a way to spend their time doing something. I didn't get into the "art" of Film/TV until I picked up a camera and learned more about the process.
This video united Burton, Nolan, Snyder and Reeves fans. Thank you my man.
Also i appreciate you not shitting on Snyders version like so many others.
Fax 💯.
I mean why would you take anyone who shits on snyders bat seriously
notice he didn’t mention the silly batman movies. coz those are worse than even the patton movie.
Snyder is a good person but he makes these depressing edgy worlds without depth. The batman is what snyder should be making.
@thewhitewolf58 my bro if you think Snyders DC movies are "Depressing" then you missed the entire point. It's about finding the Hope after pushing through the darkness. Being hopeful isn't the absence of Darkness and so many of you don't understand that it's shocking.
I actually really love Robert Pattinson's Batman. It gave me some serious nostalgia to the Arkham games, with the whole movie being kind of like a game of detective, and Batman being this force to be reckoned with. Using Riddler as the villain for this Batman's opening premier created a version of Batman I've longed to see for quite some time. He's a detective, solving cryptic puzzles one step at a time, getting closer and closer to catching the Riddler. And in the meantime, he's a destructive force, beating down anyone who gets in his way, but not without failure. He's still in his earlier days, before he became a symbol of anything other than fear and pain to his enemies. He's vengeance, not Batman. But his methods keep him coming up just short of total success every single time, so he makes a change and aims to become a symbol of hope and peace. It's the most human feeling Batman has ever felt, and also probably the most realistically plausible version of Gotham as a whole.
It really does speak to the versatility of Batman as a character. The amount of storytelling and characterization that can be told through things like the suit, the way Gotham is portrayed, and then of course his actions themselves. Vastly different feelings and tones and yet they’re all the same guy. and the best part is that in actuality, they’re all correct.
Also I’d love to see you do a similar kind of video for the multiple interpretations of Superman in movies, but then again there’s only two really until next year. Maybe Spider-man then
Why superman? Out of the great characters DC or marvel has, you go for the most simplistic and dull character of all, nothing much to him
Spiderman on the other hand is a great idea, one essay about Spiderman himself, the hero and another about Peter Parker
@@dynomyte9357 Only people who don't know much about Superman would say this- especially when you look at certain comics and animated series, Superman can be a very interesting character.
Three. Don't sleep on Brandon Routh. Or the many TV adaptations. Dean "I'm A Bad Person" Cain or Tyler Hoechlin come to mind.
That’s how you know they each did it justice, covering different aspects while still holding true to the character… the versatility is very rare
Wow, this is the best Batman video I have ever seen. You really justify the visions and diffrences of the movies in a way that let me realise how good every director made their own Batman!
Yeah this is up there for me too. Geez. I feel lucky this exists haha. So cool learning about art history via Batman
Replying as a second upvote; this was great.
I still feel like he's way much credited to Burton batman. With all due respect, his batman still looks campy and cheesy. Like, the costume design is ripped straight out of the comics, not realizing how good it will look to people in real life.
I've seen this video three times in a single day!
6:00 mark "This is what I want to focus on. Before we jump into the video..." bro it is already 25% over with lolololol
Adam West is no joke the best live action detective Batman. He actually thinks outside the box and uses deduction to track criminal’s whereabouts.
idk if David Mazouz counts (Bruce Wayne from Gotham), especially since he does most of his detective work in the show before he puts on any form of batsuit, but I think figuring out who killed his parents and the existence of the Court of Owls, all while being like 14, makes him the best.
RIP Adam West the og Bamtan and also one funny guy his voice acting in Family guy make me piss myself laughing to this day
Also the most comic accurate Batman to date.
@@Horltum Ah yes, loved his Michelin Man inspired suit.
@@kotarodesu_23 Hey, don't diss Bruce's hockey pads.
The moment in The Batman when Riddler says Bruceee.......Wayne....... to Batman. The expressions delivered by Pattinson was just too real. The extreme close up while i was watching the movie in theatre the acting felt so real.
Can't wait for part 2
That was a good scene. And it left you wondering if he was addressing Batman as Bruce Wayne, or if he was just ranting to Batman about Bruce Wayne.
What a dogshite movie 😂
@@ThisIsAVideoChannel1 A really good ambiguous moment.
Does he know?
Nice work. You don’t hear a lot of review about the suits and you’re exactly right on Batman’s artistic periods of inspiration.
Batman “on the whole” is kind of a romantic character but always is supposed to have that subtle grace of being grounded.
It's refreshing to see someone like and understand Snyder's take on batman and not just blindly bash it like other people
we understand it, we just think his take on batmman completely misrepresents the character. the thing that makes batman "batman" is his value of human life
people don't understand his no kill rule, it's not because if he kills once then he'll never stop, he won't turn into the punisher, it's not because he thinks there's a better way or anything
it's just as simple as he thinks killing is wrong, he values human life above all else, to the most stubborn degree, it's highlighted perfectly in arkham city
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probably my favourite exchange between batman and the joker, everything is perfect, everything about this scene perfectly captures both characters
I understand, snyder wanted a tank of a human, he wanted a brutal batman, but that's just not who batman is, batman is about putting fear into those he faces and incapacitation.
in the animated series, batman is actually really empathetic to a good deal of his villains, trying to help them
if you like snyders version of batman is a good version, then you don't like batman, you like the punisher and I assure you, the punisher comics will get you what snyders batman was doing and more
zack snyder should do a punisher movie honestly cause his take on batman doesn't work for batman but would work great for punisher
in a vacuum snyders "batman" is good, but it's just a terrible batman, great vigalante concept though
@@KYCDK I respect your opinion, but it won't change anything. I just think it's great for people understand a character what their motives are, instead of finding something to be so angry about it. I find it quite annoying how people can just forget Keaton and Bale who also killed people too. And there was no need to write a whole paragraph about it.
@@KYCDK Every single Batman has killed with the exception of Clooney and Pattinson. Just stop. Keep this same energy for Nolan and Burton
Every single Batman has killed with the exception of Clooney and Pattinson. Just stop. Keep this same energy for Nolan and Burton
@@Shockkings0714I think you’re being a bit obtuse to his point.
this might be the best analysis of Batman on this entire platform. incredible work. earned a sub.
I have never seen such a well thought out analysis of Batman in film, and I'm super greatful for seeing this today because holy shit, interpretation is everything. Absolutely loved this, thank you for making it, your editing and music choices were super cool too btw
I think the most interesting thing about Batman V Superman is that, unlike most stories that pit the two against each other, in this movie, Batman plays the villain. Superman wants nothing to do with him, until Luthor forces him to, whereas Batman is losing sleep and degrading mentally over his fear of Clark. His scenes are shot like a monster movie, his voice is inhuman, and even his theme is dark and taunting like a villains theme.
I'm glad some people realize this by now
Too bad the whole thing was executed so poorly. There was potential for something great there, but it just got watered down with too many ideas for one single movie
It kind of reminds me of a line from the Nolan series. Snyder Batman had gotten to the point where he really thought killing Superman because he might turn evil later was the right thing to do. He really did 'Live long enough to see himself become the villain".
@@MrE_how was it executed poorly?
As a marvel fan, one thing I adore about DC films (mostly Batman and Superman films) is how the city is a character as well.
For each live action interpretation of Batman, there is one of Gotham city. Definitely some of the best ones is Batman, Batman Begins and Reeves, because they all try to create that gothic and just dirty feel.
The only time I feel like the city was an actual character in a Marvel film was in The Amazing Spider-Man. The way that Spidey and the people of his NYC interacted is what got me into superhero films.
@@levischorpioen damn it you nailed before I did 😂😂😂😂
@@hemi5.7awdpursuit5 I’m just happy someone agrees, I’m so used to people bashing those films 🤣
I like Asgard and Wakanda
@@fatedsculpture2596same if they can make those real, gotham metropolis ,and keystone city should be no problem
I truly enjoyed your break down of each batman which has ever been brought to big screen, specifically what i like how you said that Christopher nolan's batman has been the most mentally stable batman we have encounter on top of that it is truly one of the complete batman origin films has been produced
As a lifelong batman die-hard, you my friend, have done all the major batman adaptations justice. Great video
I am not joking when I'm saying that this is one of my favorite UA-cam videos of all time. You really went that extra way to show the cultural connections between not just the characters but the movies' themes and styles. I really hope you continue with this style of content because you are genuinely amazing at telling and it's a gift you have been given. Keep it up
thank you
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I just realized Arkham Batman is a combination of Bale and Affleck. He's hard hitting like Affleck but calm and collected like Bale.
Cause thats how Comic batman acts or I guess should act
Buddy Arkham games came before Affleck
@@saurabhsaralaya1824I don't think he was making a prescription about where Arkham took its inspiration from or the continuity, just that when comparing Arkham Batman with the movie Batmen these two elements are the closest.
Definitely agree, but I think it's worth specifying: that Batman ain't just Arkham Batman. He's CONROY Batman 🤙
No the fuck they’re not Arkham Batman is KEVIN CONROY
Props for their directors. Burton, Nolan, Snyder, and Reeves. They've all done a great job of bringing their take on Batman. Can't wait for James Gunns.
James will definitely go R rated😅
Do you think snyder did a good job on his supes takes?
@@hashshashiin.forsī This video is about batman tho..
@@chidieberenwadike4165 i'm just curious. So, what do you think?
@@hashshashiin.forsīgreat job
Dude that's the best analysis of Batman movies I've seen. Fantastic job! can't wait to watch your work!
Wow man, this was poetical, you fill the void that I have that there are not many (or any) people that are willing to go to these subjects let alone understand them. This felt like being part of an amazing conversation even if only you were speaking. Thank you!
"Before we jump into the video" says Lancelloti at the 6 minute mark XD
😂
i want to say thank you, as a person who really likes to analyze films and their meaning and their depiction of the world, that you made this video. This game me new points for films to look into more.
I never thought about the seams on Pattinson's batsuit, jesus christ Matt Reeves cooked so hard on The Batman
Too bad the rest of the movie sucked
come on kid 🙄
I like the suit cuz I got into the batman earth one storyline so I thought that the director also read it as the boots, the suit, everything is similar to the comic, the boots are combat and leather, unfit for stealth, or could smudge fingerprints, his style is more combat based not much martial artist
@@MmmScotty sit down child Reeves The Batman is already the greatest live action Batman movie and he is only getting started there's still 2 more movies to go and when it's said and done Reeves and Battison will have the crown
@@johnrockyryan gay people are so annoying lmao
im at 6:00 and he says before we jump in the video. that intro was so compact. He could have ended the video right there, it was so deep.
Thats an incredible video, i love ur analyses and how u use ur words and actual refering to the types of storytelling and literary art. I really enjoyed watching this. Thanks for this effort.
Man each shot from Reeve’s batman is so awesome. You could write an essay portraying the emotions, darkness and the atmospheric influence of the batman. Each shot literally has really cool symbolism, it feels more grounded compared to other “super hero movies-like” movies.
I like that this isn't hating on Zach Snyder's version of Batman and instead analyzing how different it is compared to the others
Zack Snyder Batman has the best Batman action scene I think we will ever see!
Agreed really don’t get the hate batfleck gets
It’s shit regardless
@@rogeliogonzalez2958because Ben fleck is a pos irl and butchered the role. My can’t act to save his life which is why his career is ds
@@DayMan.. I had a stroke trying to read that
A wonderful video with great analysis of not only different versions of this legendary character but also differences and dichotomy of different art styles as well as psychological aspects of the films and those four versions of Batman, thank you for this laconic yet deep and entertaining video essay.
I wish we could have had a Batfleck solo movie. The fights would have been brutally intense
There’s a clip of what the storyboard fight between batfleck and death stroke would’ve been online, it’s genuinely worth checking out
Jay Oliva recently commented on an animated scene from Teen Titans: The Judas Contract, depicting a fight involving Dick Grayson (in his civilian identity) who is attacked by Deathstroke. Oliva linked his storyboarding work on that to Ben Affleck's script.
Matt Reeves had read an unfinished draft of Batfleck's movie and expressed support, claiming it was a Bond like film
BEN AFFLECK was FRANK MILLER's DARK KNIGHT
I wish the movie would get greenlighted I even made the music soundtrack for it.
I grew up on christian bales batman, he felt like a bored billionaire with futuristic tech, while Bens felt forced to be equal to superman. After rewatching The Batman, Roberts feels grounded, and could be real, the tech doesnt feel far fetched, the way he enters fights from on foot, his emotions. I think Robert has become my favourite batman and im excited for the next movie
I was looking for a comment like this me too Robert has become my favourite Batman because I feel like I KNOW him and his struggles he is just a man behind the suit
FR, i just rewatched the movie, i agree @@lucianomichel2236
He’s the most accurate of the bunch comic book wise.
Completely agree, Pattinsons Batman is ramshackle with gear on a “What if I have to deal with this scenario” build. It’s clunky, he’s learning, he barely survives expending every “What if” gadget in his belt, down to the last flare. I love it.
Christian is my favorite, Robert is my second favorite.
this video is AMAZING. The editing, the info, the music, everything is fantastic.
This is the kind of comic book movie video essay that is more than just explaining the movie and it’s themes but also applying it to other mediums like art. Very well crafted I loved it
It's a damn shame we didn't get a solo Batfleck film before all of the Justice League stuff. That warehouse scene felt like it sprang from the pages of a comic book onto the big screen. Spectacular
Batfleck was definitely the most misunderstood of all of them.
That's because WB wanted to rush. Zack Snyder's original plan was to have MOS2, batman solo film, and then BVS. Giving more time to each character. And more films in between that and justice league. But WB wanted to beat marvel. So they rushed him.
i like it when batman is brutal and willing to kill people batmans whole not killing thing is done so poorly now
@@flamingburittoand a decade later Warner still refuse to admit their mistake. I would've loved to see a solo Batfleck, MOS2, and the planned Justice League trilogy. I loved the scenes with Darkseid and hated that this is all we were going to get.
It really sucks because Batlfeck is the perfect live action Batman thus far. Has Arkham's physique, has Batman's affinity for planning ahead, has Arkham's/Old Batman's brutality, and his costume and Batmobile are fire
Wow this video was great from start to finish. It was a class in art, filmmaking, acting and even the psychology of the directors of each of the films themselves. It was wonderful. Thank you very much.
Snyder's Batman had great potential. His introduction was awesome, and that fight scene where he saves ma kent was really fun.
I too just act like George Clooney never played batman.
I was about to ask, what was the symbology behind a nipple suit lol
@@nickm8425let me know when you find out 😭
@@nickm8425 Supposed to emulate Greek statues, iirc. Nothing symbolic, just artistic.
What about kilmer?
George Clooney never played Batman. That's ridiculous.
Outstanding analysis. Loved that you showed appreciation to each version.
This was such a thorough, respectful, and absolutely wonderful breakdown of the different interpretations of this character. I feel that I’ve learned so much about character design from this video essay, which is especially appreciated as I am an aspiring writer looking for resources to improve my writing. Keep up the fantastic work. ❤️
"Instilling fear doesn't heal a broken society."
I'm reminded of a Warhammer 30k character who used fear to bring "peace" to the planet he landed on. With the ability of foresight, he always believed the worst and dark future in humanity and carried out justice and vengeance in the most extremes instead of choosing to trust and instill hope. When he left the planet, the people realized this, and upon doing so went back to their old horrible ways. Inevitably, when he returned to his home and found it fell back to old habits, he gave the order to destroy it. There's quite a bit I left out but hearing that quote reminded me of this character.
Primarch Konrad Curze of the Night Lords traitors legion.
The Night Haunter
That's why you have to keep it going indefinitely. People in large populations cannot be trusted to their own devices.
I bieg to differ. If cryminals are in fear they will need to learn witchout commiting crime. This lives them being forced to rehabilitate or die at the same time giving the Innocent people of Gotham a society where their efforts won't be destroyed by a pice of shit cryminal. Instilling fear in fact does heal a broken society
The Night Haunter is basically batman if he was a psychopathic demigod
Damn, this was an actually insightful and artistic understanding of the Batmen, not just a summary of the films. Great job
Your analysis and perspective on all 4 of these interpretations celebrates everything I love about Batman's film interpretations. Each has their own way of shedding light on different aspects of the same character through different lenses. It's so refreshing to see this rather than another comparison and objective preference video. To me, each of these interpretations represents a place on the "Mount Rushmore" of Batman. He's the James Bond of superheroes and I love learning more and more about him through each adaptation.
I noticed that everyone prior to Affleck and Pattinson have stiffer movement, probably due to the suit's limitations, Keaton and Bale don't move around much and just block and fight with their hands while Affleck and Pattinson have more body movement
It's the bloody cowl
Keaton couldn't even move his neck
Bale gives a sense that he doesn't have to move much because he's predicted it and is always right where he needs to be. Kinda like his Batman learnt that bullet-dodging martial arts from one of his other movies.
Man, the cinematography of the Batman is so good. Like I don't know why every time the Batman scene comes I just love the color grading.
you could say Nolan’s Batman was the most high-tech and Snyder’s Batman was kind of an older version who grew more brutal and ditched the tech to use his strength instead, went from believing in mercy and honor, to not really caring what damage he causes as long as innocent lives aren’t lost
Afflect uses his grappler many times in the movies the bat mobile the bat crawler the bat wing baterangs and wepon disruptors
If I recall, I heard that that the logo of Reeve's Batman was made of the gun that killed his parents. It's complementing what you said that the each batman responds to its predecessor.
• Burton's logo with a sense of introduction
• Nolan's logo shows subtlety, a nature of batman that is discreet (and realistic, as what you said.)
• Snyder's logo is huge, with bulky designs. It's like depicting a greek god, Hades maybe?
• And Reeve's logo is more like a reminder to Bruce about his purpose, and it's raw motivation to become the Batman.
So far, this is just a fan-made theory but it would be cool
And in the movie it would not make much sense because it's said that the murder of Thomas and Martha Wayne was never solved (so there is probably no found weapon to turn into the bat symbol)
@@Nicolas-lz6pgcould be the same kind of gun
This was so in-depth so detailed and you backed up everything it just drew me in with every explanation every understanding every reasoning with the patterns. This is a phenomenal story on how not just the Batmen are different but how they sort of branch off of each other and mirror each other reflecting the opposite
I wish Batfleck had a chance at a solo film.
Same! I actually really like his version of Batman. He just got stuck with shitty writing.
@drock55551 him in Matt's universe but still as the older bat
At least his bat ears should have been long
@MarketerVinod never cared*
@MarketerVinod I like them shorter, so it never bothered me. I actually think Pattinson's ears are too long.
All of them are great in their respective ways. Keaton is the classical, Bale is the professional, Affleck is the savage, and Pattinson is the mysterious.
22:38 funny cuz batman is actually me
Well i taught the same.
no im batman
Who pay their taxes? NOT batman!!!
That's cool but he's me actually.
No I'm batwayne- I mean bruceman- fuck can I start over?
great analysis.
i'm one of few who likes all these versions. mainly because each director gave us their perspective on batman
Man, this was one of the most elaborate and nicest videos of i ever seen! Congratulations for the lancelloti
I am so not into superhero movies but your analysis makes me want to watch all of the Batman movies and understand the genre. Nice work!
The grandiose, very acrobatic fighting and eroticised costuming in the Schumacher films would have fit nicely in here, just for balance. Schumacher's approach lends itself very well to aestheticism- celebrating beauty for its own sake.
Also, I've always admired Reeves' film rather than loving it. However, you've made me really want to re-engage with it!
Wonderful video essay.
Agreed. I understood why they weren’t mentioned, but especially since they were sort of part of a 4 movie quadrilogy, I thought they could help. A big reason for their design to begin with was how the Batman movies were pushed to be more “kid-friendly”, and sort of in response to that, you get more of the serious and dark tones in the Nolan trilogy and certainly in a lot of Begins
@@Jonathan-A.C.
exactly this. I still remember first reading about how Chris Nolan would be making a new Batman film, and some of the leaked casting. My initial response was "finally, we're going to get a realistic Batman film".
I still have a bit of a nostalgic soft spot for Batman & Robin, but am under no illusions that it's anything but a complete turkey.
I could listen to you talk about the art concepts of anything honestly. Thank you!
This vid was extremely well done! Thanks for a fun watch
These videos are really excellent in quality, for movie fans I feel this channel is a must
I loved the appreciation of the filmmakers and thier different cinematography and comparison of aesthetics from different world periods, this is a fantastic video essay.
I’VE BEEN PRAYING FOR A VIDEO LIKE THIS
I know a lot of people didn't like Afflecks Batman but I kinda liked the whole "I'm tired of the bullshit and I'm just gonna kick ass" vibe. I guess that whats happens naturally when you try to trust the system to many times but it constantly brings you down.
I don't think there is anything wrong with that concept for batman and it has been done well before in certain comic runs but the issue with Afflecks Batman is that we never see why and how he even got to that point. We're just told what it was but that's not very satisfying for a viewer and you don't really get to appreciate him being a changed batman since you only see him as the now hyper-violent snyder version.
@@joedatius Did you watch ZSJL? where he was the leader of the justice league?
@@joedatius bvs starts with him witnessing the destruction of Metropolis and the concequences of Superman's actions turning a child into an orphan. While we may not see him tired from fighting criminaIs or see the death of Robin, we do witness the event that catapults him into an antagonist. I just don't understand how people can't appreciate him changing his ways when we see him at his lowest at one point and doesn't even care if he lives or dies to then turning hopeful because of the symbol of hope himself. You can SEE the Battinson monologue happening to him throughout BVS and ZSJL.
@@clickycrustmuch of it is a reaction to how heroes in the MCU were portrayed vs. the DCEU. Many in the criticsphere hated how Snyder portrayed DC characters by infusing ethical dilehmas that strayed from the heros good villans bad trope. Also, many younger generations grew up with a batman that didn't kill and Snyders version kills there perception of what a hero should be.
@@clickycrustthat's because many hated Snyder for violating the no kill rule or putting heroes in compromising positions. Me I loved it because in my opinion it gave them depth that we were somewhat missing from their MCU counterparts. According to many DC critics, in the MCU the good guys were the good guys and inspired hope unlike the Snyderverse.
One of the best video essays I’ve seen on Batman, this was fantastic. It actually made me appreciate Snyder’s Batman a bit more as I was a bit of a hater. Great video!
11:13 Even in an interview Christopher Nolan said it was intentional because he thought it was too exaggerated the Burton's Batman
This is probably one of the best youtube videos I've ever watched.
I was putting off this video for weeks and it finally came up again. Fantastic and well worth my time.
Snyder's fight scenes feel much more like Batman of the comics to me.
He's dramatic, brings shock & awe to a scene and of course, he performs feats that only superheroes can.
Seriously good video, great work!
Huge respect to the editing btw, the scenes used feature all the points so seamlessly!
I feel like Burton's Batman is also a response to the Adam West version. In fact, very much in parallel to bronze age comics reacting to the lighthearted silver age, all Batman movies feel like a reaction to the 60's show.
Not just in that it was silly (although it was), but in that West was an unambiguous, unconflicted paragon of virtue. Rather than evolving on his own, he was a static character that changed the world around him.
I'm reminded of an interview in which West recalled numerous fan-letters from fatherless boys who looked up to him as a father figure. I think that anecdote perfectly encapsulates what sets West apart.
I wonder what art movement might fit that? Based on two seconds of research, the exaggerated beauty and idealism of the Mannerism movement seems apt. That our the high Renaissance in general.
Your probably right. I remember being slightly nervous about going to see the 1989 Batman, just hoping it wasnt going to be like the Adam West tv series.
That laughing transition from Nicholson to Ledger was 🤌 great video
1:43 batman doesn't kill! **splatters the guy's brains on the wall**
i think batfleck doesnt care about the rule, he kills a lot in his movies
Dude was killing left and right in his early comics. Even Robin was drop kicking people off of skyscrapers lol. The "Batman doesn't kill" thing appeared later to not scare off younger audiences. In the movies, Keaton's Batman killed, Val Kilmer's killed Two Face, then there was Batfleck who killed 30+ people in his 2 movies.
I mean, Bale is recognised by many to be the worst batman for that reason
Excellent video essay, a quality production :)
This is the best video I've watched about big screen Batman representation. Personally I loved the DCEU batman the most. Because it showed what toll it took on Bruce to be fighting for all those years and then when he met Superman, it's like he found hope again. The symbolism that a lot of people failed to get in Snyder's version. Followed closely by Nolan's Batman, which as you perfectly stated, showed the perfect origin story of a freshly formed idea of Batman. I don't get the hate TDKR gets, because Bane was a really well written villain and it also showed how Batman had to evolve. Very excited to see what Robert Pattinson's version does ahead.
You are easily one of the best film analysis UA-camrs I have ever come across. Great video man!
My man really went and chose the worst image for matt reeves batman
Did Battison dirty still a fantastic video but damn why you pick that one my guy 😂
Bro just looks like that
rain world
Can I just say from the bottom of my soul how much I love everything about everything about Batfleck? the way you described him was incredible and he has been my fave for a long time now but the way you said it;
-"A romantic interpretation, or as I like to call it, a Knightmare Batman!
"Snyder's Batman has the wildest premise because he has to face a deity on earth, That's why when he dons his suit this tormented version of Bruce resembles a demigod"
I got the chills just listening to you describe him and break it down, probably the edgiest, angriest, most epic Batman ever and I thank you for the Video I love all the Batmen so thx Bro!!!
This is such a beautiful breakdown. Well done
Amazing video that manages to unite Nolan, Snyder, and Reeves fans. Also, Batfleck is one of my favorite live action adaptations of Batman/Bruce Wayne alongside Christian Bale, Pattinson would be behind those two, and i thought his movie was great 💯.
Brilliant work, though I do wish the Schumacher films got a mention. Obviously they're an extension and exaggeration of the baroque theatrical design of Burtons Batman, but I think there is enough individuality there to warrant a bit of a dive.
Schumacher films brought a lighter tone in response to the darker elements of the Burton films, paying homage to the camp of the ‘66 TV Show.
Fantastic editing transition to Raycon!
I have yet to have seen such a tasteful in-depth analysis of the Batman franchise from both a production and fictional points of views. You went in on how different each Batman interpretation was, and yet, this video turned out to be harmonious in how each Batman understood the character.
Also, I see you left out Joel Schumaker's Batman. Anyone can agree that they didn't understand the character.
Excellent analysis! 👏👏👏
1:15 respectful way of saying Nolan can't do fight scenes.
I loved everything about batfleck. I wish he would’ve gotten a solo film. Also, it’s a comic book movie. There doesn’t need to be as much realism compared to our world.
Damn. I love how you wove the story of Cinema Batman into a reflection of classical art and literature. It almost makes me want to go learn more about these time periods.
My favorite Batman scene from any of the movies is when vengeance dies, and Batman is symbolically reborn, as if baptized through the death of vengeance, especially with the red flare and all.