There was only one documented naumachia held in the Coliseum, and it is described as modest, given the dimensions of the structure. Most were held in natural bodies of water or in specially constructed basins. No sharks.
Anybody else really REALLY sick of endless reboots, remakes, and sequels? The original was a perfect complete film, no sequel hooks, just a really good 1 and done, and instead of leaving it be we have "Gladiator II: Gladiate With A Vengeance" 🤦♂
hey, the 2nd one disappointed, but the 3rd one will return to being epic! They jump forward 1800 years to North America, and the Gladiators are competing in a show called American Gladiators in the 90's, right? It's all about how another great Empire fell when it's at its height due to the excess and sloth of the rise of social media. A CGI young Bill Gates makes an appearance in it, but don't worry; They tie it in real well to the 1st Gladiator in a weird sort of way. ...Apparently Juba and that Germanic Gladiator are suppose to have been the great ancestors of the guys who invented the Pentium Processor, or something like that. Just trust me: You're gonna love it!
Just from a historians perspective, the naval engagements were a thing, minus the sharks. They were never really popular though. And only lasted a decade or so. Throwing an expensive gladiator at an animal though, insanity. And still no gladiator product placements.
Well, if you think about it, it wouldn't be as entertaining as watching people move around an open area. Not really enough room for the mock naval battles.
Human vs animal fights were generally reserved for criminals being punished as the animals were expected to win most of the time. There were a number of exceptions but they weren't that common
Actually the coliseum WAS infact water tight and they did on occasion re enact sea battles. Im not aware of any times they used sharks however crocodiles were fairly common
Not to mention that Rome invented sewers, so it makes sense they'd know how to build something water-tight. Though I'd imagine that the hanging gardens beat them to making water-tight, big structures by quite a bit of time.
It was for some time, but only until the structure of tunnels and lifts below it was built, which made this impossible. There have been two (or possibly only one), with the last Naumachia (sea battle) taking place in AD 85. Even then it was sort of underwhelming since the Colosseum's arena wasn't huge (c. 80 x 50 metres) and didn't allow for large vessels. Sea battles were typically performed in the much larger Augustinian basin to the west of the city, on the other side of the Tiber river; the river's water could be used to flood the area. By the 3rd century no sea battles had been performed in the Colosseum for over a century.
But I thought that the colosseum had all sorts of things underneath it? Did ancient Romans have the ability to seal those things enough that they could do what the movie shows?
@@josebrown5961 those were installed later. As other people mentioned, the sea battles weren't very popular so they only happened a few times then they upgraded the arena with trap doors and what not to make for more entertaining shows
@@josebrown5961 It did, but those "things" were all situated right underneath the arena. There simply wasn't enough depth left after they'd been installed to create a basin. In addition, getting water inside the basin was a big problem, contrary to the Augustinian basin.
Can't wait for Gladiator 3 which has 3 emperors (count 'em, THREE! 😮) and armoured dinosaurs in an colleseum filled with volcano lava and, get this, the story revolves around the son of Lucious who, due to a tragedy (loses his wife probably), has to become a gladiatorial slave but eventually rises up to defeat the emperors and then has a vision of a unified Rome!
Maybe Gladiator 3 will have Mecha-Nero and Robo-Caligula Voltron-assemble with Alien-Tiberius to form Ultra Mega Zord Emperor. Half crazy, half pervert, all Emperor.
@@tomaszwota1465 to be fair coliseum were big spare no expense events so if the emperor wanted sharks, you were getting sharks no matter the difficulty
3:37 - Yes, flooding the Colosseum to do mock naval battles was a thing, yes. I don't know of any time they transported live sharks for these things, but they did occasionally add in crocodiles imported from Egypt. It wasn't just the Colosseum, either. Other amphitheaters could do it, too, but the Colosseum was custom designed so that it could be flooded or drained in a matter of minutes (other flood-ready entertainment venues took hours of backbreaking labor to do the same). It's an impressive illustration of Roman engineering and mastery of hydraulics. That said, the ability was rarely used. It was expensive to maintain the waterways and machinery and the mock battles didn't tend to be very popular.
Probably because you can't build a fan base for a bunch of nondescript men on a ship. Thaddeus the Thaddilonian defeated of 23 men in open combat. Oh he'll yeah. The ships, nah. The rich ladies won't be buying their sweat anytime soon. Thaddeus, his sweat is a best seller.
I understand your historical ignorance Thorias. Not many people know that the Romans DID pipe in water to the Coliseum and have naval battles. However they did not use sharks, they would use Crocodiles in the water.
Rome did have water battles but the cost and water damage to the coliseum was too much. The sharks, though, are another one of the riddle's bad ideas, like letting Phonix be Napoleon.
The Coliseum could be flooded and they did in fact had mock naval battles. That was in deed historically accurate. No sharks though, instead they had Crocodiles. They also had rhinos, but no they did NOT ride them like some Chaos Warriors of Khorne from Warhammer or something. The rest is also all BS, like the twin emperors. Geta & Caracalla were brothers but NOT twins and were supposed to rule together, as their father, Septimus Severus had decided. ( 2 emperors ruling together was a thing). Caracalla though had a different idea, he murdered his brother in front of their mother, then executed another 20,000 Romams who were suspected to be his brother's followers and took the throne. He was described as a brutal tyrant and a pretty masculine guy. ( the guy's hobby was hunting lions!) The movie turned him into a mentally challenged femboy. He was eventually assassinated, while being on a military campaign & taking a piss. I'm not joking! Also, Macrinus ( Denzel's character) was a real person and became briefly Emperor. He was no former slave though and also not black, but rather of Semitic ethnicity, Middle-Eastern/ Arab looking in other words. He managed to rise through the ranks of Rome and eventually took the throne. That would have made for a far better movie.
Paul Mescal is not Russell Crowe. Hopefully this is last we see of him. More like a sickly wet fish than someone imparting any gravitas. He'd be better in Love Actually or something.
Those ancient Romans were clever folks. That’s why their empire was so big and lasted so long. That’s why we’re still using their bridges and roads. They absolutely filled that coliseum with water to stage naval battles. They used fresh water instead of sea water, though, and didn’t use man-eating sharks. Using seawater and capturing and transporting sharks is too much trouble. However, they did drive a lot of land animals to extinction by killing them in their coliseums.
Small ship on ship battles though. Not really sharks. There were only a few mock naval battles held in the Colosseum for how expensive they were to get all the water in there. Most of the Naval Re-enactments did not happen in the Colosseum, but rather in the Lakes or Rivers. There were several recorded Naval Battles in the Colosseum over years from AD 80 to AD 107, when the last one happened in the Colosseum. If you were in Rome you would basically most likely only see one mock naval battle in the colosseum in your lifetime. You would more likely see such a battle in the Tiber River or in the Mediterranean Sea. Did they do it? Yes. But it was difficult and expensive to do and had to be planned very well to pull it off. Most naumachiae or mock Naval Battles were actually in the lakes or rivers since the water was already there and didn’t have to be relocated over longer periods of time.
Gladiator is one of those films where unless you can do what Top Gun:Maverick was able to do (i.e. make a sequel to a film that didn't need one but make that sequel more amazing and brilliant than it has any right to be) you shouldn't even bother doing a part II.
Fun fact the sea battles were true events, and rome would hunt and farm sharks but they wouldn't be able to transport the sharks so they used things like crocs and hippos instead.
The colosseum was designed for just that. The arena floor could be removed exposing trenches that would be filled with ocean water. Quite a marvel for the time.
There historically were mock naval battles involving ships and filling up water in the arena, although that was limited given the size of the arena. It was primarily ship vs ship battles, not sharks in the water. Animals were generally reserved in the arena for criminals since if a criminal couldn’t even win a fight with an animal, then the person was a disgrace. The mock mini naval battles only happened for a brief time.
Not since The Fonz introduced the name for this trope in 1977 have I seen a story so spectacularly jump the shark... with actual SHARKS! Now, if we could just do something about those frickin' attachable laser beams...
The naval battles in the Coliseum was real, just it was water from the river, not salt water, so no, no Sharks, they used crocodiles and hippos and did not combined with naval battles.
Dude you should have looked up in history books about the Colosseum being flooded and the naval battles some of the emperors hosted, yes the sharks were not needed and clearly fictional although crocs from Egypt would be brought in. Also you should have read a little into the relationship of Caracalla and Geta, joint emperors that absolutely couldn’t stand each other and in fact occupied different sides of the palace in Rome with punishment of death for those that crossed over the boundary. You’re Right about Lucius and his portrayal though he just didn’t feel right and also his wife’s death almost felt inconsequential to him. Denzel’s character Macrinus’s was miscast imho because again if you read about him he was of ‘Berber’ background, Denzel’s New York accent, mannerisms and general acting left me feeling he was filming a sequel to ‘The Equaliser’ next door with Pedro Pascal.
They lost my interest for the sequel the very second that they announced it. I never once felt that there had to be a Gladiator II but rather they should’ve left the previous film as a one off since it managed to tie all the loose ends perfectly with the story and characters as far as I’m concerned. Honestly I’m not gonna acknowledge this or the third movie whatsoever.
One of the most unnecessary sequels of the last... five years. Gladiator (2000) was great, as-is. Here mostly to give this review a bump-up in the algorithm.
Hell, the main plot of Lucius wanting revenge for his wife's death doesn't even make sense and it's the thing the whole movie hinges on. With Maximas the audience was able to understand and sympathize with his motivations because he joined the legions to provide a better life for his wife and son, was offered the entire empire on a platter but turned it down to be with them, then had Commodus torture and murder the both of them out of petty jealousy and spite despite them both being helpless and harmless. In Lucius case he SUPPORTED his wife's decision to become a soldier in a war, helped her get to the front lines, armed and armored her, and she wasn't singled out or harmed out of malice. She was just another casualty of war.
I haven't seen the movie, so I can't criticize from personal experience. From other UA-camrs I trust like you, all the consensus is gladiator 2, is boring and a lot of things don't make sense. I'm surprised, they didn't have the woman be an unstoppable B.A. it's usually unearned, that's what I don't like about it. Through the history of cinema the B.A women characters have earned it. With it our love and respect. That was until 2013, in some things and 2016, then became egregious since 2018.
Yeah but they didn’t have sharks in there, also used miniature ships with flat bottoms so the ships wouldn’t break the Colosseum floor. Also the majority of all the mock naval battles were in existing bodies of water because yes they did fill up the arena with water but it wasn’t easy to do compared to just using an existing river or lake for it where the water was already there.
1:44 “And I did appreciate they treated the original film with respect and reverence.” Then he goes into a review showing how the original film _wasn’t_ respected. Namely, by being made and making the same movie again.
So as soon as I saw the first trailer, I thought...this looks exactly like the first one. And the whole staging mock naval battles in the Collesium is actually historically accurate. Don't ask me how they did it though
Lucius's town is attacked and his wife dies, he's sold into slavery to become a gladiator(just like his dad. Already dumb) The man who attacked his village happens to be his Mom's husband(smh). The first man he befriends in captivity is a black man which I feel is supposed to mirror the original. Still, they kill this guy immediately before he has any discernable characteristics. The man who buys Lucius, son of Maximus, heir to the empire also just so happens to be a man who is scheming to overthrow it. Why is the empire not a republic? This is just the Force Awakens. I literally walked out of this movie to my complaints end there. The shark scene was a bridge too far. SO many reviews seem like they want to go soft on this trash movie.
Yeah, no way they filled it with sharks though. They used miniature boats with flat bottoms so as to not scrape the Colosseum floor, and to this day historians have theories, but don't really know how they managed to flood/drain the Colosseum.
@rimurutempest9937 They had direct access to the aqueduct which terminated in Rome only a couple blocks away. Many older depictions of the Coliseum show the aquaduct in the background.
The movie didn't seem interesting anymore, but the part about the Sharks in the Coliseum...I thought that could be the plot for a new Sharknado movie. Great review!!
Considering how today's Hollywood handles their ips, I'm pretty sure that sooner or later they will do something with Titanic, either in the form of a "modern" remake or in the form of a prequel, heck they might even do a sequel.
Yes. They could fill certain arenas with water and they did have boat fights. The ships. Were much smaller. No, they didn't put sharks in. Crocs? Seals? Maybe a small whale just to hunt and chop up for people to see..... MAYBE But not sharks.
Sea battles in Collosseum (no sharks involved) were real when the Collosseum still was a new building. The historical stuff arround Caracalla and Geta was not real. Caracalla murdered Geta and later he got murdered himself by a soldier when he was on war far from Rome.
It was NEVER time for "Gladiator 2". The first one was bad enough, a pedestrian revenge flick in a swords-and-sandals setting. I know people love it. I don't care. People like eating McDonalds hamburgers too but not one of them was ever a fine meal. McDonald's is junk food. "Gladiator 2" is junk movie making.
Naval battles in the Coliseum; yes they were a thing. Sharks; no that's fantasy. Sharks, especially great whites, don't survive out of free sea water. hence why there are none even in modern aquariums. Animals in the Coliseum; yes they were a thing but but no, not as figthing but as hunting spectacles or to kill hepless, defenseless, unarmed prisoners. Because animals were expensive and gladiators too. Commodus was reknowned for killing beasts in the arena, including some weird choices like girafes. Yes not a bad film but indeed quite needless. It will fade into obscurity like King Kong Lives, the sequel to the 1976 Kong remake.
Not to defend actors hate ranting, but has anyone here actually tried making a clean account on UA-cam or Twitter to see what pops up with a clean algorithm? Most of it is just hate bate videos from lazy chodes who lie about how bad a show/movie/person is to people who never actually watch the content the hate bater is talking about. So ya when thats the most common and first seen content on social sights these days it's a lot easier to understand why some actors/directors mistake it for the common opinions.
Sea battles were indeed "re-enacted" in the coliseum. That part is more historically act than most of the plot.
Not the sharks though. At least afaik.
There was only one documented naumachia held in the Coliseum, and it is described as modest, given the dimensions of the structure. Most were held in natural bodies of water or in specially constructed basins. No sharks.
Supposedly that happens in the Colosseum centuries before Gladiator since the architecture underwent a number of changes.
I asked for frikkin' sharks with laser beams on their head in the flooded Colesseum. Come on, work with me people!
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They are saving it for the third movie or the fourth.
Anybody else really REALLY sick of endless reboots, remakes, and sequels? The original was a perfect complete film, no sequel hooks, just a really good 1 and done, and instead of leaving it be we have "Gladiator II: Gladiate With A Vengeance" 🤦♂
Did you see the movie?
Gladiator 2 is the most unnecessary Sequel of all time. It shouldn't have been made and I will Die on the Hill that Ridley Scott is a Hack these days
Stay tuned for Gladiator 3: Gladiate or Die !
Ridley Scott is on a history kick...except he doesn't know or care about history. The history stuff is just to wrap his shop-worn concepts around.
It's a completely different movie, mind you. This one has TWO crazy emperors, see?
And Denzel... DENZEL!😆
...and sharks.
Ah wha?! 2 you say?
hey, the 2nd one disappointed, but the 3rd one will return to being epic!
They jump forward 1800 years to North America, and the Gladiators are competing in a show called American Gladiators in the 90's, right?
It's all about how another great Empire fell when it's at its height due to the excess and sloth of the rise of social media.
A CGI young Bill Gates makes an appearance in it, but don't worry; They tie it in real well to the 1st Gladiator in a weird sort of way.
...Apparently Juba and that Germanic Gladiator are suppose to have been the great ancestors of the guys who invented the Pentium Processor, or something like that. Just trust me: You're gonna love it!
Saw the trailer. Man riding rhino? Sharks in the coliseum? Nope
EXCELLENT THORIAS UNLIMITED GLADIATOR TWO REVIEW WORK.
Female legionnaire😂
Was I excited to see the movie? No.
Am I pleased to see this video? Yes.
Difference? Entertainment value.
I can’t. Denzel being a modern sounding man in ancient garb throws me all the way out of the immersion and I simply cannot sit through that
Wait, Denzel isn't doing an accent or is doing a poor accent?
@@sgtslaughter54 Denzel doesn't act. Denzel just plays Denzel in every movie...
@@SinEater_ Sounds about part for the course.
Mah Mehn
Just from a historians perspective, the naval engagements were a thing, minus the sharks. They were never really popular though. And only lasted a decade or so. Throwing an expensive gladiator at an animal though, insanity. And still no gladiator product placements.
Well, if you think about it, it wouldn't be as entertaining as watching people move around an open area. Not really enough room for the mock naval battles.
Human vs animal fights were generally reserved for criminals being punished as the animals were expected to win most of the time. There were a number of exceptions but they weren't that common
"Were you there?"
@@Rschaltegger No. And that's why it irritates me when people say they know that something happened. I mean, you can't even trust video nowadays.
True, where are my billboards and jumpsuits with sponsors
Actually the coliseum WAS infact water tight and they did on occasion re enact sea battles. Im not aware of any times they used sharks however crocodiles were fairly common
Not to mention that Rome invented sewers, so it makes sense they'd know how to build something water-tight. Though I'd imagine that the hanging gardens beat them to making water-tight, big structures by quite a bit of time.
It was for some time, but only until the structure of tunnels and lifts below it was built, which made this impossible. There have been two (or possibly only one), with the last Naumachia (sea battle) taking place in AD 85. Even then it was sort of underwhelming since the Colosseum's arena wasn't huge (c. 80 x 50 metres) and didn't allow for large vessels. Sea battles were typically performed in the much larger Augustinian basin to the west of the city, on the other side of the Tiber river; the river's water could be used to flood the area. By the 3rd century no sea battles had been performed in the Colosseum for over a century.
But I thought that the colosseum had all sorts of things underneath it? Did ancient Romans have the ability to seal those things enough that they could do what the movie shows?
@@josebrown5961 those were installed later. As other people mentioned, the sea battles weren't very popular so they only happened a few times then they upgraded the arena with trap doors and what not to make for more entertaining shows
@@josebrown5961 It did, but those "things" were all situated right underneath the arena. There simply wasn't enough depth left after they'd been installed to create a basin. In addition, getting water inside the basin was a big problem, contrary to the Augustinian basin.
Can't wait for Gladiator 3 which has 3 emperors (count 'em, THREE! 😮) and armoured dinosaurs in an colleseum filled with volcano lava and, get this, the story revolves around the son of Lucious who, due to a tragedy (loses his wife probably), has to become a gladiatorial slave but eventually rises up to defeat the emperors and then has a vision of a unified Rome!
The way they are skipping through emperors that would be Christian Rome. Guess who the villains are.
Maybe Gladiator 3 will have Mecha-Nero and Robo-Caligula Voltron-assemble with Alien-Tiberius to form Ultra Mega Zord Emperor.
Half crazy, half pervert, all Emperor.
That sounds a whole lot better than what we'll actually get
The Roman Colosseum could sustain enough water to do mock navy battles.
As for the sharks... I dunno dude. Could look it up. But I'm going to bed.
They farmed sharks, but I don't know if they had any in the actual Circus. Transporting them would be a pain the ass I can imagine.
They did
@@tomaszwota1465 to be fair coliseum were big spare no expense events so if the emperor wanted sharks, you were getting sharks no matter the difficulty
Flooding the coliseum is in fact true. Sharks …. No.
3:37 - Yes, flooding the Colosseum to do mock naval battles was a thing, yes. I don't know of any time they transported live sharks for these things, but they did occasionally add in crocodiles imported from Egypt.
It wasn't just the Colosseum, either. Other amphitheaters could do it, too, but the Colosseum was custom designed so that it could be flooded or drained in a matter of minutes (other flood-ready entertainment venues took hours of backbreaking labor to do the same). It's an impressive illustration of Roman engineering and mastery of hydraulics.
That said, the ability was rarely used. It was expensive to maintain the waterways and machinery and the mock battles didn't tend to be very popular.
Probably because you can't build a fan base for a bunch of nondescript men on a ship. Thaddeus the Thaddilonian defeated of 23 men in open combat. Oh he'll yeah. The ships, nah. The rich ladies won't be buying their sweat anytime soon. Thaddeus, his sweat is a best seller.
I understand your historical ignorance Thorias. Not many people know that the Romans DID pipe in water to the Coliseum and have naval battles. However they did not use sharks, they would use Crocodiles in the water.
3:33 They indeed had the technology. There were sea battle reenactments in Colosseum. No sharks tho/
At least gladiator 2 stars didn’t hate rant on their audience. Unlike that wicked actress
The movie is shorter than the first one but feels so much longer
Soulless cashgrab
We have Gladiator at home…
They 100% filled it with water for naval battles but the sharks are a 100% nope.
There were so many call-backs with no pay-offs that it's obvious Ridley Scott just wanted to relive his glory days of filming the first one 😆
@1:01 you nailed it early..NO.Gladiator didn't need a sequel.
The most consistent critique of this film seems to be "Are you not Entertained?! ...meh?"
Rome did have water battles but the cost and water damage to the coliseum was too much. The sharks, though, are another one of the riddle's bad ideas, like letting Phonix be Napoleon.
The Coliseum could be flooded and they did in fact had mock naval battles.
That was in deed historically accurate.
No sharks though, instead they had Crocodiles.
They also had rhinos, but no they did NOT ride them like some Chaos Warriors of Khorne from Warhammer or something.
The rest is also all BS, like the twin emperors.
Geta & Caracalla were brothers but NOT twins and were supposed to rule together, as their father, Septimus Severus had decided. ( 2 emperors ruling together was a thing).
Caracalla though had a different idea, he murdered his brother in front of their mother, then executed another 20,000 Romams who were suspected to be his brother's followers and took the throne.
He was described as a brutal tyrant and a pretty masculine guy.
( the guy's hobby was hunting lions!)
The movie turned him into a mentally challenged femboy.
He was eventually assassinated, while being on a military campaign & taking a piss. I'm not joking!
Also, Macrinus ( Denzel's character) was a real person and became briefly Emperor. He was no former slave though and also not black, but rather of Semitic ethnicity, Middle-Eastern/ Arab looking in other words. He managed to rise through the ranks of Rome and eventually took the throne.
That would have made for a far better movie.
Paul Mescal is not Russell Crowe. Hopefully this is last we see of him. More like a sickly wet fish than someone imparting any gravitas. He'd be better in Love Actually or something.
Those ancient Romans were clever folks. That’s why their empire was so big and lasted so long. That’s why we’re still using their bridges and roads. They absolutely filled that coliseum with water to stage naval battles. They used fresh water instead of sea water, though, and didn’t use man-eating sharks. Using seawater and capturing and transporting sharks is too much trouble. However, they did drive a lot of land animals to extinction by killing them in their coliseums.
Gladiator is my favorite movie. I refuse to watch a sequel to a movie that never needed one. To me, it's like a Joker 2.
Gladiator is an amazing film; you're really missing out if you haven't seen it.
Did we ask no
The first gladiator stands alone. Russell crowe kills it in every role he plays
Yeah, I've lost all respect for Denzel Washington, after he started whining about his gay kiss was edited out.
I wanted Djimon Honshu to make an appearance, if not be a major character in the movie.
Actually the Colosseum being able to support mock naval battles was a real thing, it was rare, but it happened. The shark part I'm unsure about tho...
3:28 Hah! Yeah, that... That actually happened.
Small ship on ship battles though. Not really sharks. There were only a few mock naval battles held in the Colosseum for how expensive they were to get all the water in there. Most of the Naval Re-enactments did not happen in the Colosseum, but rather in the Lakes or Rivers. There were several recorded Naval Battles in the Colosseum over years from AD 80 to AD 107, when the last one happened in the Colosseum. If you were in Rome you would basically most likely only see one mock naval battle in the colosseum in your lifetime. You would more likely see such a battle in the Tiber River or in the Mediterranean Sea. Did they do it? Yes. But it was difficult and expensive to do and had to be planned very well to pull it off. Most naumachiae or mock Naval Battles were actually in the lakes or rivers since the water was already there and didn’t have to be relocated over longer periods of time.
gladiator 2 will simply be forgotten sooner rather then later
it was just that forgettable
Okay, so they put sharks in the Colosseum. But did anyone jump those sharks?
Has anyone ever mentioned that Gladiator is a rip off of Ben Hur? And it doesn't even come close in comparison.
Ridley's got a point when he tells history critics 'were you there?'-HE WAS. Yes, he really is THAT old
The Colosseum was actually really used for the recreation of sea battles in ancient Rome.
Boat battles really happened with out sharks .
Gladiator is one of those films where unless you can do what Top Gun:Maverick was able to do (i.e. make a sequel to a film that didn't need one but make that sequel more amazing and brilliant than it has any right to be) you shouldn't even bother doing a part II.
Fun fact the sea battles were true events, and rome would hunt and farm sharks but they wouldn't be able to transport the sharks so they used things like crocs and hippos instead.
I'm with ya. F this movie. Denzel is cool, but F this movie.
yeah colosseum had plumbing for this water battle idea but i dont think the salinity would be good for the sharks
It's sad in a way when movie reviews are better the film.
The colosseum was designed for just that. The arena floor could be removed exposing trenches that would be filled with ocean water. Quite a marvel for the time.
Some universal truths: there are no sequels to Star Wars, Star Trek has no STD, Peter Capaldi is the last Doctor and there is only one Gladiator.
So were you not entertained Thorias?
There historically were mock naval battles involving ships and filling up water in the arena, although that was limited given the size of the arena. It was primarily ship vs ship battles, not sharks in the water. Animals were generally reserved in the arena for criminals since if a criminal couldn’t even win a fight with an animal, then the person was a disgrace. The mock mini naval battles only happened for a brief time.
It's like they put a punch of old movie names in a hat. Ya know?
Just grab one, see what pops up.
Not since The Fonz introduced the name for this trope in 1977 have I seen a story so spectacularly jump the shark...
with actual SHARKS! Now, if we could just do something about those frickin' attachable laser beams...
You should do research in those days they did filled the arena with water
The naval battles in the Coliseum was real, just it was water from the river, not salt water, so no, no Sharks, they used crocodiles and hippos and did not combined with naval battles.
Also, it was only about five feet deep, so there was no way sharks could swim there.
Well said!
sea battles were a thing but it was short lived because it cost to much
I’m so sick of sequels and spin-offs I now don’t watch them on principle. Why encourage them?
Dude you should have looked up in history books about the Colosseum being flooded and the naval battles some of the emperors hosted, yes the sharks were not needed and clearly fictional although crocs from Egypt would be brought in. Also you should have read a little into the relationship of Caracalla and Geta, joint emperors that absolutely couldn’t stand each other and in fact occupied different sides of the palace in Rome with punishment of death for those that crossed over the boundary. You’re Right about Lucius and his portrayal though he just didn’t feel right and also his wife’s death almost felt inconsequential to him. Denzel’s character Macrinus’s was miscast imho because again if you read about him he was of ‘Berber’ background, Denzel’s New York accent, mannerisms and general acting left me feeling he was filming a sequel to ‘The Equaliser’ next door with Pedro Pascal.
AY UP THORIAS
Literally found out this movie existed a few days ago. Seems like I didn't miss much.
They lost my interest for the sequel the very second that they announced it. I never once felt that there had to be a Gladiator II but rather they should’ve left the previous film as a one off since it managed to tie all the loose ends perfectly with the story and characters as far as I’m concerned. Honestly I’m not gonna acknowledge this or the third movie whatsoever.
One of the most unnecessary sequels of the last... five years. Gladiator (2000) was great, as-is. Here mostly to give this review a bump-up in the algorithm.
3:40 there's no evidence of sharks but the Romans actually could flood the stadium for sea battles
Hell, the main plot of Lucius wanting revenge for his wife's death doesn't even make sense and it's the thing the whole movie hinges on. With Maximas the audience was able to understand and sympathize with his motivations because he joined the legions to provide a better life for his wife and son, was offered the entire empire on a platter but turned it down to be with them, then had Commodus torture and murder the both of them out of petty jealousy and spite despite them both being helpless and harmless. In Lucius case he SUPPORTED his wife's decision to become a soldier in a war, helped her get to the front lines, armed and armored her, and she wasn't singled out or harmed out of malice. She was just another casualty of war.
I haven't seen the movie, so I can't criticize from personal experience. From other UA-camrs I trust like you, all the consensus is gladiator 2, is boring and a lot of things don't make sense. I'm surprised, they didn't have the woman be an unstoppable B.A. it's usually unearned, that's what I don't like about it. Through the history of cinema the B.A women characters have earned it. With it our love and respect. That was until 2013, in some things and 2016, then became egregious since 2018.
It is historically accurate the filling of the collisuim thingy
Yeah but they didn’t have sharks in there, also used miniature ships with flat bottoms so the ships wouldn’t break the Colosseum floor. Also the majority of all the mock naval battles were in existing bodies of water because yes they did fill up the arena with water but it wasn’t easy to do compared to just using an existing river or lake for it where the water was already there.
Gladiator 2... this time its personal
The sharks probably not but they did do they did do some naval battles in there I think they only did one or two but it did happen
1:44
“And I did appreciate they treated the original film with respect and reverence.”
Then he goes into a review showing how the original film _wasn’t_ respected. Namely, by being made and making the same movie again.
The history of sequels is that most of them fail.
When ChatGPT rewrites a movie:
So as soon as I saw the first trailer, I thought...this looks exactly like the first one. And the whole staging mock naval battles in the Collesium is actually historically accurate. Don't ask me how they did it though
I think it would’ve been better as a Stand alone film!!!!
Gladiator 1 9.5
Gladiator 2 8.9 (if treated as a stand alone)
Clearly they should have made it a musical
Lucius's town is attacked and his wife dies, he's sold into slavery to become a gladiator(just like his dad. Already dumb)
The man who attacked his village happens to be his Mom's husband(smh).
The first man he befriends in captivity is a black man which I feel is supposed to mirror the original. Still, they kill this guy immediately before he has any discernable characteristics.
The man who buys Lucius, son of Maximus, heir to the empire also just so happens to be a man who is scheming to overthrow it.
Why is the empire not a republic? This is just the Force Awakens.
I literally walked out of this movie to my complaints end there. The shark scene was a bridge too far. SO many reviews seem like they want to go soft on this trash movie.
You should have googled before you trashed the Coliseum being filled with water and reenacting famous maritime battles. It happened.
Yeah, no way they filled it with sharks though. They used miniature boats with flat bottoms so as to not scrape the Colosseum floor, and to this day historians have theories, but don't really know how they managed to flood/drain the Colosseum.
@rimurutempest9937 yes
@rimurutempest9937 They had direct access to the aqueduct which terminated in Rome only a couple blocks away. Many older depictions of the Coliseum show the aquaduct in the background.
The movie didn't seem interesting anymore, but the part about the Sharks in the Coliseum...I thought that could be the plot for a new Sharknado movie.
Great review!!
The twin emperors is historically accurate, as are the water battles
The sharks however most certainly are not
Not quite twins, as Caracalla was one year older, but brother emperors for sure.
Can’t wait for a sequel of the 1960’s Spartacus. 🤦🏾♂️
Gladiator 2 really felt unnecessary in my opinion
Thanks for the job
Hail Thorias 🖖
Considering how today's Hollywood handles their ips, I'm pretty sure that sooner or later they will do something with Titanic, either in the form of a "modern" remake or in the form of a prequel, heck they might even do a sequel.
Great review! Thanks
Glacked
Good take
I will NEVER bother watching this movie 😤
Yes. They could fill certain arenas with water and they did have boat fights. The ships. Were much smaller.
No, they didn't put sharks in.
Crocs? Seals? Maybe a small whale just to hunt and chop up for people to see..... MAYBE
But not sharks.
Sea battles in Collosseum (no sharks involved) were real when the Collosseum still was a new building. The historical stuff arround Caracalla and Geta was not real. Caracalla murdered Geta and later he got murdered himself by a soldier when he was on war far from Rome.
We didn’t not know that was max son 😮😮😮😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣
Did Ridley Scott put any black Goo in this movie he's obsessed with it
It was NEVER time for "Gladiator 2". The first one was bad enough, a pedestrian revenge flick in a swords-and-sandals setting. I know people love it. I don't care. People like eating McDonalds hamburgers too but not one of them was ever a fine meal. McDonald's is junk food. "Gladiator 2" is junk movie making.
I am not entertained.
Not necessary but decent to pretty good movie, was i entertained, yes i was entertained
I can't wait for your review of arcane season 2
Gladiator was created by an artist/storyteller and Gladiator II was made by an out of touch failure.
Naval battles in the Coliseum; yes they were a thing.
Sharks; no that's fantasy. Sharks, especially great whites, don't survive out of free sea water. hence why there are none even in modern aquariums.
Animals in the Coliseum; yes they were a thing but but no, not as figthing but as hunting spectacles or to kill hepless, defenseless, unarmed prisoners. Because animals were expensive and gladiators too. Commodus was reknowned for killing beasts in the arena, including some weird choices like girafes.
Yes not a bad film but indeed quite needless. It will fade into obscurity like King Kong Lives, the sequel to the 1976 Kong remake.
You know what wouldn’t be a unnecessary sequel?
Transformers one
Go out there and show your support to transformers one
I figured.
Not to defend actors hate ranting, but has anyone here actually tried making a clean account on UA-cam or Twitter to see what pops up with a clean algorithm? Most of it is just hate bate videos from lazy chodes who lie about how bad a show/movie/person is to people who never actually watch the content the hate bater is talking about. So ya when thats the most common and first seen content on social sights these days it's a lot easier to understand why some actors/directors mistake it for the common opinions.