You forgot about Hypno-Hustler. From Variety: "Donald Glover to Star in and Produce Sony-Marvel Film About Spider-Man Villain Hypno-Hustler". Oh no, Thorias, this will not end.....this will NEVER end.
So thanks to UA-cam hating me, I have rewrite my comment again....thanks UA-cam glitches. Regardless, Knull's presence in this film is my biggest issue right off the bat. Moving aside what Thorias says about Knull doing jack shit in this film, its just such a lazy cop out for him to be the final antagonist. Now from the meta perspective of Knull being the symbiote god, it does make sense on paper for him to be the final antagonist of a Venom trilogy or TV series. The issue that arises however is two fold. Firstly, because this Venom is such a street level character, there is no conceivable way you can make him go up against Knull, in the comics, the Venom symbiote is explicitly more powerful than most others, so its more believable for Eddie to be able to go up against Knull there than in this films. But the second is Knull is literally only here, because he needs to be for the story to happen. Knull has no personal reasoning or explanation for why he's doing the things that he does. It's just what needs to happen because the story says so. Knull is just too significant in the context of Venom and the symbiotes to be plopped on as the final villain, he needs build up, character moments, something that makes us feel his presence as THE final threat, which is completely absent. To me Knull is the avatar of why Sony's Spiderverse failed, these films are made because otherwise Sony loses their grasp on these characters, not because there's stories they want to tell with these characters. Knull, Matt Smith, Riot, Ezikiel Simmons and even Carnage are also such basic villains that are simply there to create conflict, not because they deserve to be here
Its criminal that those asshats at sony have control over these great characters In the originnal 90s comics venom was terryfying He was unbeatable Now hes a joke And they have crapped on hardys career aswell
That is a very sad statement, and I can't say it's at all wrong. I _have_ thought about how good, skilled actors have been getting bad scripts and direction, especially in legacy franchises, but I haven't thought about how much of their physicality they're wasting their time on. When they're older, they won't be capable of the same physical stunts as they are now, so their time would be better spent on more physically-demanding roles, while they're capable of pulling them off. But that's not happening. Actors aren't being chosen for movies and TV shows for their abilities right now, they're being chosen for the boxes they check off. This means their abilities remain unused, especially when they're given bad direction. Case in point, Daisy Ridley: Seeing her in _Murder On The Orient Express_ was like watching a completely different person than watching her as Rey, and all of that was simply because the script and direction she had as Rey was awful. Ridley is a _good_ actor, she just needs to get _good_ material.
Its been painfully obvious to me from the jump that the tom hardy venom movies were written for little kids. Why else do you think venom suddenly wanted a dance party? Something that little kids will randomly decide they want or are doing at any given random time, because they have no concept of the separation of fantasy and reality. These movies were written exactly for that mindset. Not for someone that actually knows the lore.
Please get real. All the venom movies were crap. Not just this one. It's so cartoonish, might as well call it, The Mask : Venom Symbiote. Num num num I'll eat your head! - woooow, so scary. cgi monster eats a persons head. Never seen that before! let's base a whole franchise around this! Don't know who's bright idea was to have Eddie Brock to be super meek, then higher a tough guy type actor? Please make it make sense. Why can't the guys who directed and wrote Sicario do Venom? Why are we always stuck with these family friendly pseudo-nerds and/or the nerd fanbase weighing in with goofy ideas in the writers room? Get me the people who did Netlix's Daredevil.
I guess in all those millions of years Venom was the only symbiote who brought his host back to life. Youd think Riot would have been panicking when he saw that happened.
I have no goddamn idea how you can introduce Knull into a Venom film and have him feel out of place. The funniest thing in my mind is Knull screaming "YOU WILL WATCH THE KING IN BLACK" to an empty fucking theater
So people are saying Sony did a good job of setting up Knull as a Thanos level villain of Venom universe. What are they setting up Knull for? Will they bring back tom, toby and andrew to fight him or set him up for another spiderverse movie by bringing all those animated characters to live action?
What I don't understand is why they made the choice to make Eddie Brock and the Venom symbiote quipping goofballs. I don't know if this is a post modern invention from the comics but the Venom I'm familiar with is a darker, more violent character seething with rage and anger.
For ME, it's The CHARACTER. Eddie is a STRAIGHT UP BIOTCH. Venom is a STRAIGHT UP BIOTCH. WHY is Dude ALWAYS Sweating? He STILL HASN'T gotten COMFORTABLE Being in the SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP YET?…..And YES, BOTH are IDIOTS. There's NOTHING, AND NEVER HAD BEEN ANYTHING REMOTELY RESEMBLING THE ACTUAL CHARACTER.
AGREED! This series was awful and completely ignored a seriously better treasure trove of source material in the comics. Plus when anyone takes a Secondary character and moves it to the Main character arena. BAD IDEA!!!
The first one is kinda decent. But I've hated all the goofy jokes and scenes these movies have. I don't want to see Venon making breaking with 9 arms and making a mess and spraying Eddie with ketchup. That is just stupid AF.
I truly wish they had Venom how he is in the old comics or like Spider-Man tas and Spectacular Spider-Man, and at least have connection to Spider-Man. Which is why I never cared or liked the first two Venom films. Don't get me wrong, and anti-hero Venom can easily work, but I do wish he started as a villain first.
First was good, second was ok... Third was NOT the best. Honestly, what were the writers even doing? Symbiotes everywhere who are suddenly friendly, side plots to nowhere, reversal of character development, bad CGI for knull...
So what happens to Venom now? Does he get embedded into the MCU? Because that to me feels like going from the frying pan and straight into the fire. I used to think it was cool when new characters joined the MCU... then it turned into a parody of itself and lost what momentum it had built up. Oh well.
I watch the 1st film and instantly forgot it. I'm surprise it got a fanbase I feel like Venom being a cool goop monster. I bet if morbius and venom switched scripts the Venom films would still have the same fanbase
So basically, saying that this is the best one of the three is like saying this pile of shit does not smell as bad as the other two so it is the best one? You still have a pile of shit regardless of the smell. I would rather play Spiderman 2 again (don't like that game) than watch this.
There’s way too much comedy to take these movies seriously. They all feel sorta goofy. I think Venom would’ve worked better as a horror/superhero movie. I don’t mind some comedy, but too much of it can be a problem.
Well Venom was funny in the comic, but it was a different more sinister type of humor, they didn't get him right in Spider-Man 3, and they haven't really got him right in these movies either although at least they are a bit better, but that's not saying much.
I really dont know who asked for this, but whatever ... actually there is so many movies and tv shows lately that can be described on that word ... whatever. And they are usually superhero related. Kinda sad that something that used to be so fantastic is now just ... whatever. I guess that Syndrome was right.
Hmm..If i am guessing The end right.. Eddie And symbiote might die? However there STILL MIGHT Be a symbiote movies.. with a FEMALE main hero/symbiote. Heck.SILVER SABLE might get a symbiote
Knew this was garbage when I saw the horse in the trailer, thanks for doing this for us! Thought it would be cool if it was a multiverse movie like The flash or multiverse of madness or venomverse. That I would go see
Can we just have Bully Maguire but all the time? What I want to see out of Venom is a version of Spiderman where he tamed the symbiote and they do normal hero stuff. I never read the comics so when the Sam Raimi Spiderman got the symbiote suit I had no idea what was going on but I loathed how that movie turned out
I liked the first Venom film. I hated the second one. I chose to skip out on this one due to the prequel and the post credit scene from No Way Home leading up to nothing. Even when they showed off Knull in the trailer, I knew they were going to mess him up and make him less bad ass as he was in the comics.
Spoilers for major comic fans: At least one of my favorite symbiotes (other than venom and Carnage) was in there scream. They butchered her (killed her). If I saw that in theaters I would be disappointed. Would never go to theaters to see this garbage
I thought the first one was fun, even though it wasnt faithful to the actual character, but after they ruined my boy Carnage... I had no interest in seeing this one at all
I disagree with you that Tom Hardy isn't funny. If you've seen him in Legend, he's playing an pair of identical twin mob bosses, and he's absolutely hilarious. These films just have awful jokes that he can't pull off
This version of Venom is so unfaithful to the character that he can't even shape-shift into clothing, one of the most basic symbiote powers.
Tom Hardy is a great actor...but he cannot do miracles.
He seemed tired and like he didn't want to be to there... Was that in the script?
A good actor. With in reason. Not great
Venom 3 is Hot Garbage and the whole Venom trilogy has been completely pointless. This Venom trilogy can be summed up in 2 words. BRAINDEAD SCHLOCK!!!
You forgot about Hypno-Hustler. From Variety: "Donald Glover to Star in and Produce Sony-Marvel Film About Spider-Man Villain Hypno-Hustler".
Oh no, Thorias, this will not end.....this will NEVER end.
From the writer of Fifty Shades of Grey. Yes, really.
Spider-Man What the Hell Happened to our Home? : "Somehow, Venom Returned"
Venom was not seen as a loser on his planet…when I heard this in the first film I rolled my eyes like some dice
Don't feel bad for Tom, his check is cashed. He gets regular work that shows his acting chops. Venom is just bonus money
So thanks to UA-cam hating me, I have rewrite my comment again....thanks UA-cam glitches. Regardless, Knull's presence in this film is my biggest issue right off the bat.
Moving aside what Thorias says about Knull doing jack shit in this film, its just such a lazy cop out for him to be the final antagonist. Now from the meta perspective of Knull being the symbiote god, it does make sense on paper for him to be the final antagonist of a Venom trilogy or TV series.
The issue that arises however is two fold. Firstly, because this Venom is such a street level character, there is no conceivable way you can make him go up against Knull, in the comics, the Venom symbiote is explicitly more powerful than most others, so its more believable for Eddie to be able to go up against Knull there than in this films.
But the second is Knull is literally only here, because he needs to be for the story to happen. Knull has no personal reasoning or explanation for why he's doing the things that he does. It's just what needs to happen because the story says so.
Knull is just too significant in the context of Venom and the symbiotes to be plopped on as the final villain, he needs build up, character moments, something that makes us feel his presence as THE final threat, which is completely absent.
To me Knull is the avatar of why Sony's Spiderverse failed, these films are made because otherwise Sony loses their grasp on these characters, not because there's stories they want to tell with these characters.
Knull, Matt Smith, Riot, Ezikiel Simmons and even Carnage are also such basic villains that are simply there to create conflict, not because they deserve to be here
Not going to lie, I genuinely had to sit there and contemplate what I watched after it finished. What was even the plot?
VENOM 1 - ok
VENOM 2 - weak
VENOM 3 - ???
Fired amy pascal
Venom 2 = Suicide Squad level of unwatchable, if it wasn't for the final fight it would be 100% garbage
Venom 3 is better than 2 but first venom was novelty
Its criminal that those asshats at sony have control over these great characters
In the originnal 90s comics venom was terryfying
He was unbeatable
Now hes a joke
And they have crapped on hardys career aswell
Yep Venom would’ve worked better as Horror/Superhero movie. The Sony venom movies aren’t even scary in the slightest. They feel more like comedies.
I never thought about it before but a consequence of super hero movies are great actors using the best years of their lives to make so-so movies.
That is a very sad statement, and I can't say it's at all wrong. I _have_ thought about how good, skilled actors have been getting bad scripts and direction, especially in legacy franchises, but I haven't thought about how much of their physicality they're wasting their time on. When they're older, they won't be capable of the same physical stunts as they are now, so their time would be better spent on more physically-demanding roles, while they're capable of pulling them off. But that's not happening. Actors aren't being chosen for movies and TV shows for their abilities right now, they're being chosen for the boxes they check off. This means their abilities remain unused, especially when they're given bad direction. Case in point, Daisy Ridley: Seeing her in _Murder On The Orient Express_ was like watching a completely different person than watching her as Rey, and all of that was simply because the script and direction she had as Rey was awful. Ridley is a _good_ actor, she just needs to get _good_ material.
Thank you Thorias. I've been waiting for this video and you delivered! Your rants are so fun 💙
I thought the first movie was OK-ish, almost entirely because of Tom Hardy's performance. But nothing about the sequels made me want to watch them.
I am proud to say that I've not seen even one of these. Venom is one of my favorite characters and I refuse to give money to watch venom get graped.
Its been painfully obvious to me from the jump that the tom hardy venom movies were written for little kids.
Why else do you think venom suddenly wanted a dance party?
Something that little kids will randomly decide they want or are doing at any given random time, because they have no concept of the separation of fantasy and reality.
These movies were written exactly for that mindset. Not for someone that actually knows the lore.
Your rants are relaxing for me somehow love listening to them when I drive 😅
The superhero versions of the girls from Madame web have more of a role in that movie than knoll has in this movie
Please get real. All the venom movies were crap. Not just this one. It's so cartoonish, might as well call it, The Mask : Venom Symbiote.
Num num num I'll eat your head! - woooow, so scary. cgi monster eats a persons head. Never seen that before! let's base a whole franchise around this!
Don't know who's bright idea was to have Eddie Brock to be super meek, then higher a tough guy type actor? Please make it make sense. Why can't the guys who directed and wrote Sicario do Venom? Why are we always stuck with these family friendly pseudo-nerds and/or the nerd fanbase weighing in with goofy ideas in the writers room? Get me the people who did Netlix's Daredevil.
I guess in all those millions of years Venom was the only symbiote who brought his host back to life. Youd think Riot would have been panicking when he saw that happened.
I have no goddamn idea how you can introduce Knull into a Venom film and have him feel out of place. The funniest thing in my mind is Knull screaming "YOU WILL WATCH THE KING IN BLACK" to an empty fucking theater
bruh this made me laugh
So people are saying Sony did a good job of setting up Knull as a Thanos level villain of Venom universe. What are they setting up Knull for? Will they bring back tom, toby and andrew to fight him or set him up for another spiderverse movie by bringing all those animated characters to live action?
My pleasure to give you your first like in this vid lel.
What I don't understand is why they made the choice to make Eddie Brock and the Venom symbiote quipping goofballs. I don't know if this is a post modern invention from the comics but the Venom I'm familiar with is a darker, more violent character seething with rage and anger.
For ME, it's The CHARACTER. Eddie is a STRAIGHT UP BIOTCH. Venom is a STRAIGHT UP BIOTCH. WHY is Dude ALWAYS Sweating? He STILL HASN'T gotten COMFORTABLE Being in the SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP YET?…..And YES, BOTH are IDIOTS. There's NOTHING, AND NEVER HAD BEEN ANYTHING REMOTELY RESEMBLING THE ACTUAL CHARACTER.
It's finally over, soldier 😹🫡 No more silly Venom movies !!
AGREED!
This series was awful and completely ignored a seriously better treasure trove of source material in the comics.
Plus when anyone takes a Secondary character and moves it to the Main character arena. BAD IDEA!!!
Totaly agree with you on the venom movies.They ae terrible.
Then you aren't a fan and the need to quit catering to you...
i am happy with channels like this that save my money.
The first one is kinda decent.
But I've hated all the goofy jokes and scenes these movies have. I don't want to see Venon making breaking with 9 arms and making a mess and spraying Eddie with ketchup. That is just stupid AF.
I couldn't make it through the 2nd film, so it's unlikely I'll ever watch this one.
I truly wish they had Venom how he is in the old comics or like Spider-Man tas and Spectacular Spider-Man, and at least have connection to Spider-Man. Which is why I never cared or liked the first two Venom films. Don't get me wrong, and anti-hero Venom can easily work, but I do wish he started as a villain first.
Just imagine avengers infinity war but iron man is the only superhero and the only thing he has to fight was the chitari
Todd McFarlane would be pleased at how this ends.
First was good, second was ok... Third was NOT the best. Honestly, what were the writers even doing? Symbiotes everywhere who are suddenly friendly, side plots to nowhere, reversal of character development, bad CGI for knull...
So what happens to Venom now? Does he get embedded into the MCU? Because that to me feels like going from the frying pan and straight into the fire. I used to think it was cool when new characters joined the MCU... then it turned into a parody of itself and lost what momentum it had built up. Oh well.
I watch the 1st film and instantly forgot it. I'm surprise it got a fanbase I feel like Venom being a cool goop monster. I bet if morbius and venom switched scripts the Venom films would still have the same fanbase
Venom 2 was beyond hot garbage yet ppl somehow enjoyed that one lol. But I looked up the director and now I know why all three were trash 😂😂
So basically, saying that this is the best one of the three is like saying this pile of shit does not smell as bad as the other two so it is the best one? You still have a pile of shit regardless of the smell. I would rather play Spiderman 2 again (don't like that game) than watch this.
There’s way too much comedy to take these movies seriously. They all feel sorta goofy. I think Venom would’ve worked better as a horror/superhero movie.
I don’t mind some comedy, but too much of it can be a problem.
Well Venom was funny in the comic, but it was a different more sinister type of humor, they didn't get him right in Spider-Man 3, and they haven't really got him right in these movies either although at least they are a bit better, but that's not saying much.
I really dont know who asked for this, but whatever ... actually there is so many movies and tv shows lately that can be described on that word ... whatever. And they are usually superhero related. Kinda sad that something that used to be so fantastic is now just ... whatever. I guess that Syndrome was right.
I love and look forward to your reviews, keep up the outstanding work!!
Hmm..If i am guessing The end right.. Eddie And symbiote might die?
However there STILL MIGHT Be a symbiote movies.. with a FEMALE main hero/symbiote.
Heck.SILVER SABLE might get a symbiote
So im guessing in this Idiocracy timeline this make 2 billion!?
Many superhero movies are terrible...but I enjoyed all 3 Venom movies, but I go in knowing ahead of time they are stupid fun
I read they cut out a scene on the symbiote's home world. Something about a Tupperware party with the female symbiotes.
I didn't even know this shitt was out. They are not getting my money this time.
Knew this was garbage when I saw the horse in the trailer, thanks for doing this for us! Thought it would be cool if it was a multiverse movie like The flash or multiverse of madness or venomverse. That I would go see
Excellent Review and analysis
Hail Thorias 🔥
Tom Hardy looks like he's ready to retire right after production wrapped on this movie, he looks 20 years older and fatter.
Man it’s like nobody can make a good comic book flick anymore 😂😂😂
Can we just have Bully Maguire but all the time? What I want to see out of Venom is a version of Spiderman where he tamed the symbiote and they do normal hero stuff. I never read the comics so when the Sam Raimi Spiderman got the symbiote suit I had no idea what was going on but I loathed how that movie turned out
No Toxin (son of carnage) by itself crashed this film. In my opinion, this was complete 🗑 with only a few good things.
9:01 Red Goblin which is Green Goblin with Carnage can produce fire. No defense for that Speedforce symbiote tho cause wtf was THAT!?😭
The whole trilogy is garbage 🗑️ 😂😂😂😂😂
They said they're going to bring Knull back for other movies, like a new Thanos. Maybe hell be in Spiderman Home 4.
These movies are fun to watch with your friends completely drunk off your ass so u can clown on them
The worst superhero movie villains of all time are the ones from "Dark Phoenix."
Silver Sable??? These people can't do something decent with VENOM how can they even do "something" with the 1 dollar store version of Black Widow?
i just wanna know one thing...and one thing only
does Knull play a big role or is he about 10 seconds in whole movie?
If they were going to make Venom a comedy, they needed someone like Chris Pine or Pratt. I like Tom Hardy, but you are right, he's not a comedy actor.
This may be the one rime where the modern MCU might make a better adaptation of a character.
Spider Noir is now on production lol
I thought the movie was okay
I hated the humor
But I really liked the scenes with the little boy and lasher
AY UP THORIAS
I liked the first Venom film. I hated the second one. I chose to skip out on this one due to the prequel and the post credit scene from No Way Home leading up to nothing. Even when they showed off Knull in the trailer, I knew they were going to mess him up and make him less bad ass as he was in the comics.
7:57 I’d take knull as the big bad of the multiverse saga than RDJ as doctor doom any day.
They fused into a 2 headed symbiote
Spoilers for major comic fans:
At least one of my favorite symbiotes (other than venom and Carnage) was in there scream. They butchered her (killed her). If I saw that in theaters I would be disappointed. Would never go to theaters to see this garbage
PLEASE review The Wild Robot!!
You know what movie everyone in this comment section should see?
Transformers one
i liked humor in the 2 first
waiting for the 3
love watching thorias getting mad
Ok, nice to know.
Nobody expected any different.
Pretty happy I decided to give this series a pass from the beginning 👍
Thanks for the review......
Lore didnt make the symbiotes worse.
I thought the first one was fun, even though it wasnt faithful to the actual character, but after they ruined my boy Carnage... I had no interest in seeing this one at all
I disagree with you that Tom Hardy isn't funny. If you've seen him in Legend, he's playing an pair of identical twin mob bosses, and he's absolutely hilarious. These films just have awful jokes that he can't pull off
I enjoyed the first one. Second . . . had some (few) moments.
Look how Sony treats the PlayStation, you really think they care about properties they don't own?
Still not as bad as Venom 2.
are you kidding me that movie was at least better than this
I really hope he gets a different camera, 720p in 2024 is kinda wild
This movie sucks 😂😂😂😂😂👎👎👎 👎
Another thing you dont like. Shocking
it wasnt that bad. Seems like the "cool" thing to do is to just hate on every film that comes out at the moment.
Or maybe people have different opinions than you.
I’d like to know the color of plant you smoked before watching this movie 😂😂