Rhulk set the bar for what a disciple should be but Calus felt like he didn’t live up to the title. He felt more like an asset the Witness exploited just to bolster it’s forces.
I felt The Witness made Calus a Disciple just as a throw away asset not so much as a longevity type disciple, and to bolster Calus ego and arrogance to make him comply.
Calus was never even supposed to link the Veil to the Witness in the first place. Its plan was always to use Calus to force the Guardian to defend the Veil themselves, during which it would use our Ghost to establish the connection. Now it has... whatever it got at the end of Lightfall and a Cabal legion that has shown to easily be made thralls since Leviathan.
Gotta love how The Guardian has canonical killed the majority of the Osmium Dynasty, a Worm God, more Fallen Kells/Barons/Archons than I can count, a light-infused Dominus, several high-ranking Cabal commanders, numerous Vex minds, an Ahamkara, three disciples of the Witness, and all the armies loyal to these entities yet still regularly dies to random sniper units in GMs
Rhulk and Nezarec are raid bosses while Calus is a campaign boss. The Witness did say Calus did not put enough effort into what was asked of him. Perhaps that's why he's the weakest Disciple so far?
He was a pawn from the start. He had to die to allow the Witness to obtain the veil via our ghost. The Witness used Calud and never intended to keep him alive.
Didn’t help his case he was only made a Disciple recently. Rhulk had been one for eons and Nezarec for god only knows how long. But Calus? A few months at most.
as soon as calus was reshaped, he kept one characteristic that was already dragging him down: Alcoholism, and seeing that most of the richess that the witness could provide were just material assets, but nothing organic, that's when the problem escaleted quickly and Calus ended as the biggest Goof under the name of Disciple
So lemme get this straight. Nezarec, kinda easy to kill, still took 6 guardians. Rhulk, took on 6 guardians and almost won. Calus... Killed by one. I solo'd Calus with a verglas curve, and it looks like Nezarec needs decent DPS and Rhulk needs the best you got. Poor Calus
@@f1fanatic241 Calus was a fool, a joke of the Disciples, he believed himself higher than me and I had to put him in his place, I am glad the guardian killed him, now I don't have to deal with him
I mean calus was never a fighter, even among cabal leadership he was weak by comparison because he had people to do his fighting for him. In leviathan, he didn't need to fight you, he had so much abundance he was just amused watching guardians fight their way through his army to get his treasure. Dinner and a show. Plus hes a hive god with his own throne world before he was a disciple, so death was just an inconvenience. And I loved that side of calus, tbh lightfall was a massive character assassination because Calus doesn't serve, that's like his whole thing. Caitl would have let him stay if he would have abdicated and died in obscurity surrounded by wealth. But Calus doesn't serve. He would rather hoard the wealth of the cabal and play games with demigods while he waits for whoever ends up leading the cabal to show up on his doorstep and beg his forgiveness and access to his prosperity. But he overplayed his hand and the homeworld was lost to the hive when he was probably one of the only people who had a fighting chance to stop them, because hive god. Then lightfall rewrote him to be a desperate sniveling coward who would sell his soul for the opportunity at greater power. Even accepting all this, the witness wanted his army, not him. His purpose was to die fighting us so the witness could infiltrate the veil, so him being a pathetic fighter was actually a point in his favor.
there's a lore tab on the VOTD master completion sparrow (the sparrow is called gouging light) that talks about the branches. they're meant to heal whoever they come into contact with, though they also have disastrous mental consequences on those who don't already seem to be acquainted with the witness. my guess is that the branches sprouting like that on death is a last ditch attempt to save them. you can also see smaller branches whenever you destroy a weak spot on rhulk, presumably healing that damage done
@@GravitonLance No its literally just a it, its not even got a gender, its a unknown entity beyond our understanding, its also a we, possibly some kind of collective
Nah I wish the Pyramids had their own race, not just be empty vessels, enemies that look and are designed like Rhulk, Tormentors and Nezarec (although Tormentors are carbon copies of Nezarec ). Such a shame Bungie has not created one, my biggest disappointment with them so far.
@@savageace1152 According to leaks that was the case during the Forsaken era, but that was before they changed the Pyramids from being actual darkness to wielding Darkness. But “The Veil” were at some point leaked rumored to be that 5th race, but as we know now they used it to be something else
Imagine a meeting, though. Witness: "Alright, we need a new disciple." Rhulk: "I heard the Fanatic can be revived. He can be easily converted." Nezarac: "Perhaps Ghaul. He was the mightiest of the Cabal, and most powerful emperor of the Red Legion." Calus: "DID SOMEBODY SAY RED LEGION!?" Literally everybody: "SHUT UP!"
And we'll do it again since that's what he implies. Nezarec is basically immortal as long as there are those that remember him, so we keep coming back to kill him over and over.
@@TheWandererGhost i really like how they built up nezarecs story before the raid. He would basically fuck with people in neomuna by whispering. Just imagine walking and hearing some random dude talking in your head lmao
It seems like unlike Calus, the witness had some fondness for Rhulk and Nezarec, it just seems like he has a sort of connection to them that is indescribable while Calus was just a means to an end
The witness did have a statue of nezared in it's own pyramid as well and since rhulk was it's first disciple, it's guaranteed for the witness to have a connection with him considering how much it trusted rhulk
Then again nezarec and thulk seemed more devoted to the witness than calus. They carried out the witness’ plans and have an understanding that they’re below him whilst calus, even though a desciple of the witness, talks back and still regards himself as an emperor.
@@greedxvii3698 I’m pretty sure Nezarec doesn’t care about being “devoted” to The Witness. It gives him the power to inflict pain and torment. Its goals coincide with Nezarec’s desire to be terrible.
@@kasm7870he did in the past. After his revival he seen the witnesses flagship and him gone. He can probably sense rhulks death and uses the raid as a game. He wants to fight us and doesn’t care if he wins or loses. He’s mentally unstable and only wants a worthy battle. He also wanted to test out his new light ability’s rather than his own. The version we see in game is a husk of his former self
I think calus became a means to an end after the seconds cutscene with him and the witness because the witness tells him his fear and failure however calus refuses to accept it and that it why he would never be a powerful deciple as he would never live to become one
Rhulk represents Pride, he is confident in your inability to defeat him, so much so that he saunters around the arena in a casual stride. Calus represents Avarice, he'll do anything to enhance his own comfort and joy, yet is never satiated by what riches he has. I think Nezarec represents Gluttony. While he's basically an unhinged psychopath that revels in the pain of others over the fulfillment of the witness' goals, he gorges himself on the powers of Light and Dark in the raid. Xivu Arath will represent Wrath, for obvious reasons, and Eramis might represent Envy for her hatred of the Traveler and our gift of Light if she were to be anointed a disciple as well.
Doesn't feel like it now with the black fleet leaving our reality except for the one ship the traveler shot. Honestly at this point I don't want to see anymore new players on the board. Eramis and Xivu will do just fine as the last disciples
new inspiral lore mentions a long dead disciple, so you right. But since the Witness crusade against the universe spans for billions of years, some may have died before us ever meeting them.
i love how rhulk's theme changes during the fight, when you're dunking its relatively normal then when you get to his stage and start evading him it'll go up in intensity, and so on and so fourth. really neat detail i felt like should be included in more boss fights to make you feel more engaged in the fight itself.
Rhulk becoming feral and letting out that roar will never be not badass. You see this calm, clever and planning mastermind Infront of you that in his hubris thinks he can topple the guardians easily, yet when backed into his corner hes unleashed. In the end of the day it's his hubris that led to his downfall, his power is almost unmatched and yet it's because of his ego that led to his downfall
I wonder how many living disciples the witness has? I mean I expected to see at least the majority of them during the lightfall campaign, attacking the traveler with the witness. If there are more why haven't they made their move yet?
He probably offered The Witness something so ridiculous that he couldn't provide so The Witness agreed to make him a Disciple but just used him knowing that Calus couldn't hold up his end of the bargain
Its something we don't think of often but oryx was for sure a disciple. The dreadnought is his pyramid, vowbreaker is his glaive and he got his power from the darkness (later revealed to be the witness)
I don’t even think Oryx knew The Witness existed. He was subject to his tithing to the Worm Gods, who were being subjugated by Rhulk, who was a Disciple to The Witness. No doubt Oryx was a massively powerful entity (moreso than Calus or Nezerac) but he certainly wasn’t a disciple.
@@AubergineMans Definitely not “Leagues below.” He conquered solar systems and exterminated species. He claimed trillions of soldiers to fight in an army that followed his will alone. He’s definitely more powerful than Calus or Nezerac.
I’m sad that the final fight with calus just ends up being a story mission I feel like with his influence on the lore he should’ve at least gotten a dungeon
Rhulk is too high of a bar to match. Throwing calus and nezerac in then immediately killing them isn’t keeping disciples at an appropriate threat level.
@@altaraeastral9288 Rhulk is a fully developed character is the point. Nez is literally vague lines & armor fragments to end up as a strike level raid boss
There should be a disciple for every pyramid ship we have seen so far we just have not battled them yet. Moon ship- once occupied by nezerac before he was injured by the traveler. Europa- Our ship as an offer from the witness to become a disciple. Savathun's throneworld- Rhulk's ship which was set there to monitor Savathun. And calus was only given a flag ship he was never meant to adorn true disciple armor (the red armor we have seen so far) or powers he was weak and only sent on a suicide mission while the witness battled the traveler. That's just my theory though
BTW for those who don't know Rhulk is not dead. He is simply in a recovery, stasis like state. That's what those branches put him in. Plus lore has already confirmed that he is still alive.
It would’ve made much more sense if Nimbus tried grabbing the ghost before he created the link, but instead of successfully grabbing it, he gets shocked/stunned by the power the witness uses. It’s annoying to see how everyone just stands there while the ghost is about to create the link.
Okay, weird thing I just noticed: where does Rhulk’s “collar” go at 0:30-0:34? It just disappears mid-teleport. Does it go down when he goes into fight mode or something?
I wonder if Xivu is a disciple or will be? One thing has me stumped about the final shape what will they do with her, because she’s teased as much if not more than savathun was, would she be a story boss or a raid boss? Same question for the witness
Bungie did Calus dirty. I saw a comment saying they turned him into the Starscream of the Destiny universe. He was so much cooler and ominous in Season of the Haunted I have no idea how they screwed this up. His robots were stronger than him ffs.
Well he kinda already way Starscream of the destiny universe he does constantly come back only to be killed again and again so his entire character was already Starscream
You forget some other “agents” of the disciple, they may not be like disciples themselves, but like, the fanatic is probably in cahoots, xivu-arath and eramis, who’s actions where done because of the witness. After all we don’t know if they have a “rule of two” or something, each pyramid in the fleet could be a different disciple, or maybe there is one for each species under the darkness’s command. Yk
honestly i wish we werent fighting them all already. i wanted to see individual fleets lead by each disciple fighting us in various ways/planets in lightfall & final shape. but the way bungie writes 🙄
I agree, don’t get me wrong I really liked seeing Rhulk and his story, and can’t wait to see what lore Nezarec brings. But I can’t not help but be disappointed in how Bungie since D1 teased and hyped up the Pyramid ships as the big bad of the story, then tease them again in D2 Vanilla ending. Only for them to so far be so underwhelming and be locked behind raids. I really expected Bungie to goes guns a blazing with Beyond Light in finally introducing the 5th enemy race the one attached to the Pyramids and should of shown us The Witness then too. After Shadowkeeps ending its what I expected, from the story I wanted something a new enemy race, instead we have gotten nothing but empty Pyramid ships fighting the same enemies over and over again. There is so much architecture and culture in each Pyramid ship so far, that at some point I refused to believe that there was no new enemy race inside them. But now I honestly probably don’t even expect anything for Final Shape. Would of been more badass if we fought Rhulk with a new enemy race of the Pyramids, same with Nezarec etc. instead we get reused enemies the same ones we keep fighting over and over. Really makes me wish they didn’t introduce the Disciples, until after we had fully dealt with the Hive, Cabal, Vex and Fallen completely( I don’t count the Taken and Scorn as they are essentially headless armies of the story). Would of been better to have had the last 3 DLCs be fully 100% focused on the Pyramid fleets, The Witness, the Disciples, a 5th enemy race, and so much more.
@@EpticityOG imo i think that it may be possible that they introduce a 5th race in final shape, it makes sense for me because we dealt with the fallen, cabal already the only other race thats following the witness thats not dealt with yet is xivu's hive which will probably be used for seasonal content, also the introduction of tormentors at LF seems off since LF is the setup for final shape so they might be our first glimpse at a new race maybe?
@@Idk-fk4mq Is it possible yes, but I feel like it’s also very unlikely at this point, they would have shown something more by now. Yes I know the Tormentors are the first official “Pyramid Unit” enemy type, they were such a breath of fresh air, and I got excited when they first got introduced during the reveal but then we later find out that they are pretty much miniature clones of Nezarec, which could mean they could just be a one off new type of enemy. Taking a look at Beyond light we fought against the Darkness powered Fallen, with the secondary enemy being the Vex. In the Witch Queen we fought the Lucent Hive with the secondary Enemy being the Scorn and the Taken to a lesser extent. In Lightfall we fight Darkness empowered Cabal, and the secondary enemy type were the Vex again and once again the Taken to a lesser extent. Based off that I could assume that either A. We fight the Hive but empowered with Darkness abilities, rather than their Hive Magic with the Taken and possibly Scorn taking the secondary role, although I expect it to be the Taken. B. Vex take center stage as they have not been the main Enemy Race since Curse of Osiris. With the Hive taking 2ndary role. Or C. Like you suggested maybe we do get that 5th enemy race or maybe a different pyramid unit. Plus the Hive as the secondary Enemy. But for now I lean towards A as the most likely of outcomes.
@@EpticityOG im aware that tormentors are just clones of nezarec but that could still open more possibilities for a new race like clones of older dead disciples or maybe an ancient darkness wielding race that are cloned for the Witness to command. I also doubt that all the pyramids are just vessels, some are commanded by disciples. My theory is MAYBE there's a disciple as powerful as rhulk is and is the Witness's left hand man and commands his own race. For me that makes the most sense since nezarec is just another disciple since he has flaws and doesn't really agree with the witness's goals which includes removing pain since its a weakness. So surely the witness has another rhulk-esque disciple out there commanding the 5th race.
Gotta be honest, Calus's participation in the LightFall campaign was sorta dissappointing. I guess I overhyped myself, thinking that there was going to be some massive threat that would pop up, kill a shitload of civvies and we'd have to divide our efforts between protecting what's left on Earth and the people of Neomuna. I also thought Calus was going to be some sort of threatening enemy that would pop up and be defeated, only for us to fully defeat him in a raid or dungeon (like Oryx). I was really dissappointed when we got a shitty boss battle that was at best, challenging on the Legendary difficulty (which even then isn't that bad when you can swing around the whole time).
I think it's interesting that The Witness just had Nezerek's corpse, and would have just kept him. The light is what brought him back, and the darkness doesn't really have a way to undo death, so it's entirely possible that Nezerek, and possibly any number of other disciples held sentimental value to the witness. Of course I believe that this sentimentality would be more akin to valuing a prized possession, but nonetheless, it's interesting. I wonder if there was any particular reason that the witness was on Nezerek's old ship, or if all of the ships have their own disciples. Dead or alive they're clearly extremely powerful foes or artifacts, and the ships are just everywhere in sol.
Guess which disicple was my favorite, the latest one who is afraid of meaning, the psychotic guy with a scythe, or the disciple that will literally kick you if you get too close to him
Rhulk is the only proper disciple we fought. Calus was incredibly weak. Nezarec had become an abomination of light and dark and wasn't really a disciple anymore, the light of the traveller infested him and the dark was trying to reject him. Rhulk was what a disciple should be in it's prime
anybody else feel like the witness wants the guardian as a disciple? i mean, we killed like 4 of his disciples, use stasis and strand so we already use darkness, and are clearly the only thing thats somewhat of a threat to him. it just makes sense to me
disciple: unstoppable world conquering beast with powers beyond comprehension. Also disciples: Gets bodied by a few night lights. Are we sure we are not the raid bosses?
Rhulk was the first disciple, as he was described making Nezarec into a disciple. So, no, Rhulk is the very first known disciple. Not Nezarec. Also, Rhulk was around millions of years before the Golden Age and millions of years before Nezarec was made a disciple.
So if I'm seeing this correctly: Rhulk was Composure Calus was Greed Nezerec was Madness Could this mean that the next Disciple be Xivu Arath, Disciple of War?
Honestly would of much rather have had Xivu Arath as Lightfall’s main villain. I feel she won’t get the same treatment her other 2 siblings got with their own DLCs.
Wonder if Nezarec is The Witness’ son or something like that? Seems to be their fave disciple (yes, even more than Rhulk, who despite being the OG disciple was still put in charge of the dark city rather than leading the Collapse), plus they went to the effort of finding his head & building a statue of him in The Witness’ personal pyramid ship. Also, we have no clue what species either of them are. Just a theory though
Come then guardian, living mortal and slave to a false god.. Let us devour the endless cycle of life.. We will ensure their suffering last as a memory- no more-no less - Will of the One Thousand
I wonder how many Disciples are left I wanna bet there are 3 left because at the end of Lightfall only 3 Pyramids went in with the Witness. I wonder if Final Shape it will one of those long campaigns seeking out The Witness's Disciples then defeating The Witness
3 - 0 Guardians. Disciples 0. Got a feeling they will only get harder from here now that the Witness has traversed through the veil. My guess is that this year we get more context of the remaining disciples (D.S.C/G.O.S. statue 🗽) learn more about the Veil and it's properties (seems like the Witness needed it in the initial Collapse & Savathiccky pulled a fast one on the Witness, hid it on Neptune, hence Neomuna/ Strand) Got a feeling when/if Savathiccky comes back we link up with the Lucent Hive (enemy of my enemy). Final Shape is coming together nicely!
i just want to see xivu have an actual meaningful personal presence in the game before it's too late. I am curious what the big titty statue in the lunar pyramid was though.
@@sozzyfox3541 For me Eramis just seems lost. Though this weeks message between her and Misraaks seems like she's made peace with her decision, or at least took another huge huff of copium that'll probably wear off again
@HasvenWorld i don't think eramis will become a disciple she has failed to much and is not powerful enough to become and the witness punished her by turning her house into wrath born scorn or taken
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Rhulk set the bar for what a disciple should be but Calus felt like he didn’t live up to the title. He felt more like an asset the Witness exploited just to bolster it’s forces.
That’s the point, lol. Calus was just a pawn.
I felt The Witness made Calus a Disciple just as a throw away asset not so much as a longevity type disciple, and to bolster Calus ego and arrogance to make him comply.
Calus was the "means to an end" literally.
Calus was never even supposed to link the Veil to the Witness in the first place. Its plan was always to use Calus to force the Guardian to defend the Veil themselves, during which it would use our Ghost to establish the connection.
Now it has... whatever it got at the end of Lightfall and a Cabal legion that has shown to easily be made thralls since Leviathan.
i feel like the witness made him a disciple so that calus may feel like the witness’ right hand maybe
Gotta love how The Guardian has canonical killed the majority of the Osmium Dynasty, a Worm God, more Fallen Kells/Barons/Archons than I can count, a light-infused Dominus, several high-ranking Cabal commanders, numerous Vex minds, an Ahamkara, three disciples of the Witness, and all the armies loyal to these entities yet still regularly dies to random sniper units in GMs
*dies to water*
@@ARegularMarsBar *dies to world border*
@@smth_smth_idk_xd *dies to a random rock while travelling at the speed of light using a sword*
He/She dies regularly however we revive quicker than any other lightbearer in history
just make the final boss a Phalanx who smacks you with mach 20 against a wall
Rhulk and Nezarec are raid bosses while Calus is a campaign boss.
The Witness did say Calus did not put enough effort into what was asked of him. Perhaps that's why he's the weakest Disciple so far?
He wasn’t strong to begin with just hedonistic
He was a pawn from the start. He had to die to allow the Witness to obtain the veil via our ghost. The Witness used Calud and never intended to keep him alive.
he weak because he is emperor, He was not as good fighting as someone who was a warrior like rhulk and nezarec.
Didn’t help his case he was only made a Disciple recently. Rhulk had been one for eons and Nezarec for god only knows how long. But Calus? A few months at most.
as soon as calus was reshaped, he kept one characteristic that was already dragging him down: Alcoholism, and seeing that most of the richess that the witness could provide were just material assets, but nothing organic, that's when the problem escaleted quickly and Calus ended as the biggest Goof under the name of Disciple
Gotta love how Nimbus could have went and grabbed Ghost BEFORE the link was created rather than standing around mindless
By that logic, capital could’ve shot our ghost instead of standing around
Or we could've used Strand to YOINK our Ghost lol.
@@BrotherShaw "YOINK" lol
@@BrotherShaw Strand pulls us toward, not them toward us
Strand is basically just a weed rope
So lemme get this straight. Nezarec, kinda easy to kill, still took 6 guardians. Rhulk, took on 6 guardians and almost won. Calus... Killed by one. I solo'd Calus with a verglas curve, and it looks like Nezarec needs decent DPS and Rhulk needs the best you got. Poor Calus
Calus was just a puppet, the real army leader will probably be xivu arath
Calus was a clown
They did Calus so dirty
@@f1fanatic241 Calus was a fool, a joke of the Disciples, he believed himself higher than me and I had to put him in his place, I am glad the guardian killed him, now I don't have to deal with him
I mean calus was never a fighter, even among cabal leadership he was weak by comparison because he had people to do his fighting for him. In leviathan, he didn't need to fight you, he had so much abundance he was just amused watching guardians fight their way through his army to get his treasure. Dinner and a show. Plus hes a hive god with his own throne world before he was a disciple, so death was just an inconvenience.
And I loved that side of calus, tbh lightfall was a massive character assassination because Calus doesn't serve, that's like his whole thing. Caitl would have let him stay if he would have abdicated and died in obscurity surrounded by wealth. But Calus doesn't serve. He would rather hoard the wealth of the cabal and play games with demigods while he waits for whoever ends up leading the cabal to show up on his doorstep and beg his forgiveness and access to his prosperity. But he overplayed his hand and the homeworld was lost to the hive when he was probably one of the only people who had a fighting chance to stop them, because hive god. Then lightfall rewrote him to be a desperate sniveling coward who would sell his soul for the opportunity at greater power.
Even accepting all this, the witness wanted his army, not him. His purpose was to die fighting us so the witness could infiltrate the veil, so him being a pathetic fighter was actually a point in his favor.
It's crazy how all the disciples, even the tormentors, when they die, dark tree branches sprout from their bodies.
Like an opposite of the trees of silver wings the travellers power makes
@@lewismartin3430 Indeed. Comes to show that although the light and darkness may seem different, they are more alike than we realize
there's a lore tab on the VOTD master completion sparrow (the sparrow is called gouging light) that talks about the branches. they're meant to heal whoever they come into contact with, though they also have disastrous mental consequences on those who don't already seem to be acquainted with the witness. my guess is that the branches sprouting like that on death is a last ditch attempt to save them. you can also see smaller branches whenever you destroy a weak spot on rhulk, presumably healing that damage done
Reminds me of deathroot from Elden Ring
@@nilli111 Pretty much, yeah.
Witness at the begining of LF: Why did i bring this goof?
Calus: I'm Gorious!
Witness: i'm never work with addicts ever again
That's why he left nezerac as well
@@GravitonLance she?
@@GravitonLance Homie the Witness is a IT or WE, it even calls itself a WE, which we have no idea what the hell that means
@@THERATSANDTHERATS probably because he has multiple faces and voices? Idk
@@GravitonLance No its literally just a it, its not even got a gender, its a unknown entity beyond our understanding, its also a we, possibly some kind of collective
I wish the nine would be revealed more.
Nah I wish the Pyramids had their own race, not just be empty vessels, enemies that look and are designed like Rhulk, Tormentors and Nezarec (although Tormentors are carbon copies of Nezarec ). Such a shame Bungie has not created one, my biggest disappointment with them so far.
@@EpticityOG I remember when people thought the veil were the true darkness entities
@@savageace1152 According to leaks that was the case during the Forsaken era, but that was before they changed the Pyramids from being actual darkness to wielding Darkness. But “The Veil” were at some point leaked rumored to be that 5th race, but as we know now they used it to be something else
The nine feel like a meme who's sole purpose is to not be explained properly
@@PlamzDooM they did get explained kind of if you read the Dust lore book from back in season of the drifter, the whole season was about the 9
i honestly love the transition from the regular darkness theme to rhulk’s theme the first time you start the fight
Imagine a meeting, though.
Witness: "Alright, we need a new disciple."
Rhulk: "I heard the Fanatic can be revived. He can be easily converted."
Nezarac: "Perhaps Ghaul. He was the mightiest of the Cabal, and most powerful emperor of the Red Legion."
Calus: "DID SOMEBODY SAY RED LEGION!?"
Literally everybody: "SHUT UP!"
"In your calmest moments, in your deepest slumbers, you will remember me Guardian..."
Yeah, they'll remember kicking your red ass.
And we'll do it again since that's what he implies. Nezarec is basically immortal as long as there are those that remember him, so we keep coming back to kill him over and over.
@@tylormobley4482 essentially, torturing him which is something he would enjoy a lot
@@TheWandererGhost i really like how they built up nezarecs story before the raid. He would basically fuck with people in neomuna by whispering. Just imagine walking and hearing some random dude talking in your head lmao
Nazarec feels like the embodiment of "we do a little trolling".
It seems like unlike Calus, the witness had some fondness for Rhulk and Nezarec, it just seems like he has a sort of connection to them that is indescribable while Calus was just a means to an end
The witness did have a statue of nezared in it's own pyramid as well and since rhulk was it's first disciple, it's guaranteed for the witness to have a connection with him considering how much it trusted rhulk
Then again nezarec and thulk seemed more devoted to the witness than calus. They carried out the witness’ plans and have an understanding that they’re below him whilst calus, even though a desciple of the witness, talks back and still regards himself as an emperor.
@@greedxvii3698 I’m pretty sure Nezarec doesn’t care about being “devoted” to The Witness. It gives him the power to inflict pain and torment. Its goals coincide with Nezarec’s desire to be terrible.
@@kasm7870he did in the past. After his revival he seen the witnesses flagship and him gone. He can probably sense rhulks death and uses the raid as a game. He wants to fight us and doesn’t care if he wins or loses. He’s mentally unstable and only wants a worthy battle. He also wanted to test out his new light ability’s rather than his own. The version we see in game is a husk of his former self
I think calus became a means to an end after the seconds cutscene with him and the witness because the witness tells him his fear and failure however calus refuses to accept it and that it why he would never be a powerful deciple as he would never live to become one
Rhulk represents Pride, he is confident in your inability to defeat him, so much so that he saunters around the arena in a casual stride.
Calus represents Avarice, he'll do anything to enhance his own comfort and joy, yet is never satiated by what riches he has.
I think Nezarec represents Gluttony. While he's basically an unhinged psychopath that revels in the pain of others over the fulfillment of the witness' goals, he gorges himself on the powers of Light and Dark in the raid.
Xivu Arath will represent Wrath, for obvious reasons, and Eramis might represent Envy for her hatred of the Traveler and our gift of Light if she were to be anointed a disciple as well.
Gonna be an awkward raid when the next disciple has lust as their personality trait lmao
@@bret9331 don't worry I'll take them on. No sacrifices needed
@bret9331 it's gonna get a lil kinky 😬
Pretty sure they’d love to get “destroyed “ by the Witness
@@bret9331 better be a goth alien mommy with thicc thighs or i gonna have a stroke
There's probably more disciples that we haven't herd about but are roaming around in the universe just yet to be seen
Doesn't feel like it now with the black fleet leaving our reality except for the one ship the traveler shot. Honestly at this point I don't want to see anymore new players on the board. Eramis and Xivu will do just fine as the last disciples
new inspiral lore mentions a long dead disciple, so you right.
But since the Witness crusade
against the universe spans for billions of years, some may have died before us ever meeting them.
Yet to be hunted
@@kylemclaren617 eramis care about her house more than the finality,she might just be an asset to the witness
Man, Calus looks so goofy compared to the other two ngl
i love how rhulk's theme changes during the fight, when you're dunking its relatively normal then when you get to his stage and start evading him it'll go up in intensity, and so on and so fourth. really neat detail i felt like should be included in more boss fights to make you feel more engaged in the fight itself.
You will really like the salvations edge boss fight then.
The rendition of the Darkness theme when Rhulk reveals himself is so bone chilling and strong
Rhulk becoming feral and letting out that roar will never be not badass. You see this calm, clever and planning mastermind Infront of you that in his hubris thinks he can topple the guardians easily, yet when backed into his corner hes unleashed. In the end of the day it's his hubris that led to his downfall, his power is almost unmatched and yet it's because of his ego that led to his downfall
Rhulk: Warlock
Nezarak: Hunter
Calus: Titan
Nezarec literally has a Warlock exotic named after him
@GravitonLance he also does Quickfall. Homie is a void hunter.
I feel like that The Traveller and The Witness are one being, that has been ripped into two
I wonder how many living disciples the witness has? I mean I expected to see at least the majority of them during the lightfall campaign, attacking the traveler with the witness. If there are more why haven't they made their move yet?
Same, I assumed they all inhabited a pyramid but it also seems like alot are empty and are just being controlled by the Witness.
In retrospect, rhulk felt like a baseline to the subjugators as nezarec did for tormentors
Really not sure how calus met the witnesses criteria for becoming a deciple when compared to the other 2 we know so far.
He probably offered The Witness something so ridiculous that he couldn't provide so The Witness agreed to make him a Disciple but just used him knowing that Calus couldn't hold up his end of the bargain
@@PenguinzFTW aren't Calus gave Witness his cloning tech?
It was the witness that met calus
Calus was never truly a disciple. He was exploited as bait so our ghost can get close to the veil
@@neuu8708 I like that interpretation the best.
Its something we don't think of often but oryx was for sure a disciple. The dreadnought is his pyramid, vowbreaker is his glaive and he got his power from the darkness (later revealed to be the witness)
The witness isn't darkness itself however it does use it
He thought he was a disciple, but he was leagues below.
I don’t even think Oryx knew The Witness existed. He was subject to his tithing to the Worm Gods, who were being subjugated by Rhulk, who was a Disciple to The Witness.
No doubt Oryx was a massively powerful entity (moreso than Calus or Nezerac) but he certainly wasn’t a disciple.
@@AubergineMans Definitely not “Leagues below.” He conquered solar systems and exterminated species. He claimed trillions of soldiers to fight in an army that followed his will alone. He’s definitely more powerful than Calus or Nezerac.
@@kasm7870 Nah. He's not even the strongest hive, let alone stronger than a disciple.
Still tryna figure out where we pulled that khvostov out of😭
Calus wasn't a disciple. He was simply a simp for the Witness
I’m sad that the final fight with calus just ends up being a story mission I feel like with his influence on the lore he should’ve at least gotten a dungeon
I hope we get to see more disciples
Nezarec: POWER
* I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING*
Rhulk is too high of a bar to match. Throwing calus and nezerac in then immediately killing them isn’t keeping disciples at an appropriate threat level.
Calus specially, Nezy is at least powerful and a threat
Nezerac was a disciple for a long time, he wasn’t thrown in
umm... Nezarec had more build up than rhulk. Rhulk was also introduced then killed
@@altaraeastral9288 Rhulk is a fully developed character is the point. Nez is literally vague lines & armor fragments to end up as a strike level raid boss
@@altaraeastral9288 There was so little showtime for Rhulk as he was introduced in the raid but made up for that time.
I love how one of rhulk attack is just kicking you
1:08 I love how rhulk was walking to the beat here
Ngl Rhulk walking is kinda funny, a gentleman of the Witness
There should be a disciple for every pyramid ship we have seen so far we just have not battled them yet. Moon ship- once occupied by nezerac before he was injured by the traveler. Europa- Our ship as an offer from the witness to become a disciple. Savathun's throneworld- Rhulk's ship which was set there to monitor Savathun. And calus was only given a flag ship he was never meant to adorn true disciple armor (the red armor we have seen so far) or powers he was weak and only sent on a suicide mission while the witness battled the traveler. That's just my theory though
BTW for those who don't know Rhulk is not dead. He is simply in a recovery, stasis like state. That's what those branches put him in. Plus lore has already confirmed that he is still alive.
where have you heard this? a year after the raid came out and your comment is the first place I've heard of it
Untrue, his recovering remains were exploded by a sparrow by a member of the hidden shortly after the events of the raid.
That's just intimidating/disrespectful. Dude has his hands tied the entire fight.
Rhulk’s entrance is so badass at the beginning
Sucks how most of them are locked behind raids, but being a solo player does have its challenges.
Do you not want to use LFG?
@@epicn I literally cannot find one where they teach people new to the raid. It's all kwtd
I like nezarec the most and his weapon is my favorite
It would’ve made much more sense if Nimbus tried grabbing the ghost before he created the link, but instead of successfully grabbing it, he gets shocked/stunned by the power the witness uses. It’s annoying to see how everyone just stands there while the ghost is about to create the link.
4:50 The way your teammate moved made it look like he was the one speaking to you lol.
I love how Calus invites us to a battle of glory, Nezarec revels in every moment of our fight, however Rhulk is like Out of my sight, INSECT!
Rhulk > Nezarec > Calus
I know this isn't related but damn Bungie's music team really hit the spot in our ears
good to know i was not the only one who jumped to see their faces closer
“It’s creating the link!”
*just stands there and lets it*
Okay, weird thing I just noticed: where does Rhulk’s “collar” go at 0:30-0:34? It just disappears mid-teleport. Does it go down when he goes into fight mode or something?
Rhulk and nezarec are the best disciples of the witness
I wonder if Xivu is a disciple or will be? One thing has me stumped about the final shape what will they do with her, because she’s teased as much if not more than savathun was, would she be a story boss or a raid boss? Same question for the witness
the witness has to be a campaign
@@Lasersquad500 That would be an insult
@@The_Light0001 hahaha,it would be even more disappointing if the fight was like calus
Bungie confirmed the witness will be a raid boss
Bungie did Calus dirty. I saw a comment saying they turned him into the Starscream of the Destiny universe. He was so much cooler and ominous in Season of the Haunted I have no idea how they screwed this up. His robots were stronger than him ffs.
Well he kinda already way Starscream of the destiny universe he does constantly come back only to be killed again and again so his entire character was already Starscream
bro aint no way them robots are stronger than disciple calus
Calus did Calus dirty. Calus was a fool.
@@whiteevropean considering all of there displays of power compared to calus they probably are
Wtf you mean the robots stronger😂
My dude got charged by Rhulk into the air and panicked the super and got kicked got trying. Fucking love Rhulk
You forget some other “agents” of the disciple, they may not be like disciples themselves, but like, the fanatic is probably in cahoots, xivu-arath and eramis, who’s actions where done because of the witness.
After all we don’t know if they have a “rule of two” or something, each pyramid in the fleet could be a different disciple, or maybe there is one for each species under the darkness’s command. Yk
Rhulk: Composure
Nezarec: Unhinged madness
Calus: Avarice and Pride
honestly i wish we werent fighting them all already. i wanted to see individual fleets lead by each disciple fighting us in various ways/planets in lightfall & final shape.
but the way bungie writes 🙄
I agree, don’t get me wrong I really liked seeing Rhulk and his story, and can’t wait to see what lore Nezarec brings. But I can’t not help but be disappointed in how Bungie since D1 teased and hyped up the Pyramid ships as the big bad of the story, then tease them again in D2 Vanilla ending. Only for them to so far be so underwhelming and be locked behind raids. I really expected Bungie to goes guns a blazing with Beyond Light in finally introducing the 5th enemy race the one attached to the Pyramids and should of shown us The Witness then too. After Shadowkeeps ending its what I expected, from the story I wanted something a new enemy race, instead we have gotten nothing but empty Pyramid ships fighting the same enemies over and over again. There is so much architecture and culture in each Pyramid ship so far, that at some point I refused to believe that there was no new enemy race inside them. But now I honestly probably don’t even expect anything for Final Shape.
Would of been more badass if we fought Rhulk with a new enemy race of the Pyramids, same with Nezarec etc. instead we get reused enemies the same ones we keep fighting over and over.
Really makes me wish they didn’t introduce the Disciples, until after we had fully dealt with the Hive, Cabal, Vex and Fallen completely( I don’t count the Taken and Scorn as they are essentially headless armies of the story). Would of been better to have had the last 3 DLCs be fully 100% focused on the Pyramid fleets, The Witness, the Disciples, a 5th enemy race, and so much more.
@@EpticityOG imo i think that it may be possible that they introduce a 5th race in final shape, it makes sense for me because we dealt with the fallen, cabal already the only other race thats following the witness thats not dealt with yet is xivu's hive which will probably be used for seasonal content, also the introduction of tormentors at LF seems off since LF is the setup for final shape so they might be our first glimpse at a new race maybe?
@@Idk-fk4mq Is it possible yes, but I feel like it’s also very unlikely at this point, they would have shown something more by now. Yes I know the Tormentors are the first official “Pyramid Unit” enemy type, they were such a breath of fresh air, and I got excited when they first got introduced during the reveal but then we later find out that they are pretty much miniature clones of Nezarec, which could mean they could just be a one off new type of enemy.
Taking a look at Beyond light we fought against the Darkness powered Fallen, with the secondary enemy being the Vex. In the Witch Queen we fought the Lucent Hive with the secondary Enemy being the Scorn and the Taken to a lesser extent. In Lightfall we fight Darkness empowered Cabal, and the secondary enemy type were the Vex again and once again the Taken to a lesser extent.
Based off that I could assume that either A. We fight the Hive but empowered with Darkness abilities, rather than their Hive Magic with the Taken and possibly Scorn taking the secondary role, although I expect it to be the Taken. B. Vex take center stage as they have not been the main Enemy Race since Curse of Osiris. With the Hive taking 2ndary role. Or C. Like you suggested maybe we do get that 5th enemy race or maybe a different pyramid unit. Plus the Hive as the secondary Enemy. But for now I lean towards A as the most likely of outcomes.
@@EpticityOG im aware that tormentors are just clones of nezarec but that could still open more possibilities for a new race like clones of older dead disciples or maybe an ancient darkness wielding race that are cloned for the Witness to command.
I also doubt that all the pyramids are just vessels, some are commanded by disciples. My theory is MAYBE there's a disciple as powerful as rhulk is and is the Witness's left hand man and commands his own race. For me that makes the most sense since nezarec is just another disciple since he has flaws and doesn't really agree with the witness's goals which includes removing pain since its a weakness. So surely the witness has another rhulk-esque disciple out there commanding the 5th race.
+ ii doubt they'll use xivu as a setup like calus in LF and might save her for another expansion post final shape
you know how each disciple dies those weird thorns come out, i thought that would be a new darkness element
Gotta be honest, Calus's participation in the LightFall campaign was sorta dissappointing. I guess I overhyped myself, thinking that there was going to be some massive threat that would pop up, kill a shitload of civvies and we'd have to divide our efforts between protecting what's left on Earth and the people of Neomuna. I also thought Calus was going to be some sort of threatening enemy that would pop up and be defeated, only for us to fully defeat him in a raid or dungeon (like Oryx). I was really dissappointed when we got a shitty boss battle that was at best, challenging on the Legendary difficulty (which even then isn't that bad when you can swing around the whole time).
bro I just realized why didnt nimbus fly and grab ur ghost wtf
but sooner I mean
Why didn't we do that, you're telling me that the strongest guardian, a literal god killer who can trow black holes, can't fly but Ikora can?
@@GravitonLance Why didn't our guardian just fucking use the grapple that we got from strand?
The phone now makes me laugh because rhulk and nazarec are both moving their heads the same way but calus is the only one that isn't
I think it's interesting that The Witness just had Nezerek's corpse, and would have just kept him. The light is what brought him back, and the darkness doesn't really have a way to undo death, so it's entirely possible that Nezerek, and possibly any number of other disciples held sentimental value to the witness. Of course I believe that this sentimentality would be more akin to valuing a prized possession, but nonetheless, it's interesting.
I wonder if there was any particular reason that the witness was on Nezerek's old ship, or if all of the ships have their own disciples. Dead or alive they're clearly extremely powerful foes or artifacts, and the ships are just everywhere in sol.
Caital: “destroy it!”
The Guardian: “MF who do you think is gonna have to kill the witness?”
Guess which disicple was my favorite, the latest one who is afraid of meaning, the psychotic guy with a scythe, or the disciple that will literally kick you if you get too close to him
Rhulk is the only proper disciple we fought. Calus was incredibly weak. Nezarec had become an abomination of light and dark and wasn't really a disciple anymore, the light of the traveller infested him and the dark was trying to reject him. Rhulk was what a disciple should be in it's prime
anybody else feel like the witness wants the guardian as a disciple? i mean, we killed like 4 of his disciples, use stasis and strand so we already use darkness, and are clearly the only thing thats somewhat of a threat to him. it just makes sense to me
disciple: unstoppable world conquering beast with powers beyond comprehension.
Also disciples: Gets bodied by a few night lights.
Are we sure we are not the raid bosses?
anyone gonna mention that "mara sov's sweaty feet" helped kill nezarec?
Rhulk looks like the weird tall things In final shape
I know damn well that was a wipe at nez at the very end lmao
Rhulk is so fucking badass dude.
Why was Nezarec a Former Disciple? Wasn’t he still employing the Witness’ armies to fight for him? Did he stop caring for the Witness’ plans?
He died during the first collapse and sorta did his own thing after he was ressurected using both light and dark instead of only dark
Even I impress myself sometimes
Nezarec is the first Deciple Before the Golden Age begins, then came rhulk and at the end Calus,
Rhulk was the first disciple, as he was described making Nezarec into a disciple. So, no, Rhulk is the very first known disciple. Not Nezarec. Also, Rhulk was around millions of years before the Golden Age and millions of years before Nezarec was made a disciple.
After Nezarec, Rhulk sounds like a wimp, tbh.
What’s creepy is their deaths are not them dying but the witness believing they’re defeated, so he kills them. That’s at least what it looks like
Kills them by putting them into a final shape I meant
YOU FORGOT Savathun (She is a former Disciple)
Im almost certain The Witness made Calus go after the veil just to bait us and use our ghost to make the bridge
So if I'm seeing this correctly:
Rhulk was Composure
Calus was Greed
Nezerec was Madness
Could this mean that the next Disciple be Xivu Arath, Disciple of War?
Mama says Calus is so angry because has so much plaque on his teeth.
Xivu Arath may be the best disciple. She is known as the god of war. Hope to meet her in the raid Final Shape.
Honestly would of much rather have had Xivu Arath as Lightfall’s main villain. I feel she won’t get the same treatment her other 2 siblings got with their own DLCs.
Final Shape raid is Witness bro
@@EpticityOG That's what i fear, there's little leg room left for her to stretch her potential
@@brunogonzales3752 not necessarily
@@rah2665 i dunno man leaks are as of now 80% precise
8:52 this probably just me but did Rhulk have any jewels? Like the one on Nezarec’s forehead?
those are nezarecs eyes
those are the eyes of both i think
why does the witness keep letting us 1v6 or 1v3 their disciples. like sure after nez they have learned their lesson LOL
Clovis Bray could have been the sol system's disciple
and savathun tricked them all
i feel like this one was the hardest besides calvus for multiple reason personally i think HP and attacks are way better with Rhulk vs nezarec
Savathun was a disciple too before she left
No, she wasn’t. She was going to become one, but rejected Rhulk and The Witness before she could fully become one.
there are also disciples in the We Stand Unbroken quest line, missed a spot
which disciples?
Has anyone ever notices that eramis outfit kind of looks like rhulks
Wonder if Nezarec is The Witness’ son or something like that? Seems to be their fave disciple (yes, even more than Rhulk, who despite being the OG disciple was still put in charge of the dark city rather than leading the Collapse), plus they went to the effort of finding his head & building a statue of him in The Witness’ personal pyramid ship. Also, we have no clue what species either of them are. Just a theory though
Come then guardian, living mortal and slave to a false god.. Let us devour the endless cycle of life.. We will ensure their suffering last as a memory- no more-no less
- Will of the One Thousand
I loved the nightmare weapons reminds me of old time
I wonder how many Disciples are left I wanna bet there are 3 left because at the end of Lightfall only 3 Pyramids went in with the Witness. I wonder if Final Shape it will one of those long campaigns seeking out The Witness's Disciples then defeating The Witness
all of the pyramids surrounding it went in, and there were 8 of them, the ones that made the formation around the traveler resembling sagira.
3 - 0 Guardians. Disciples 0. Got a feeling they will only get harder from here now that the Witness has traversed through the veil. My guess is that this year we get more context of the remaining disciples (D.S.C/G.O.S. statue 🗽) learn more about the Veil and it's properties (seems like the Witness needed it in the initial Collapse & Savathiccky pulled a fast one on the Witness, hid it on Neptune, hence Neomuna/ Strand) Got a feeling when/if Savathiccky comes back we link up with the Lucent Hive (enemy of my enemy). Final Shape is coming together nicely!
i just want to see xivu have an actual meaningful personal presence in the game before it's too late. I am curious what the big titty statue in the lunar pyramid was though.
@@PlamzDooM maybe the witness true form?
Only thing I dont like is outside of Calus the rest were an after thought outside of a Raid and lore pieces hidden in items.
I wish they didn't just unalive off Calus. He was honestly one of the best characters in the game. Really good voice acting too! Such a shame :(
Weapons for damage you used on rhulk were truly ass water
yup 😂
Does anyone else think that Xivu Arath either already is or will be a disciple?
it's quite probable
The light would have fallen if Oryx or Savathun had decided to be a witness instead of Calous.
I keep asking myself who is the strongest disciple
Rhulk: Composure
Nezarec: Unhinged madness
Calus: Avarice and Pride
I think there was also some pride in there with Rhulk
Eramis:Revenge (possibly? idk)
@@sozzyfox3541 For me Eramis just seems lost. Though this weeks message between her and Misraaks seems like she's made peace with her decision, or at least took another huge huff of copium that'll probably wear off again
And Xivu Arath?
@HasvenWorld i don't think eramis will become a disciple she has failed to much and is not powerful enough to become and the witness punished her by turning her house into wrath born scorn or taken
0:01 rhulk
3:14 Calus
7:00 nezarec