Bobby Conway--What Is Calvinism? 1056
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Do you ever doubt your ability to answer bigger than life questions like, “Why do I exist? What is the purpose of life? Can I know God? If so, how? Are miracles possible?” And if God exists what’s with all the evil in the world? Do questions like these ever nag at you? If so, you’ve come to the right channel. I too am a fellow wonderer who thinks about stuff like this.
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Calvinist, Arminian, it doesn't matter to me. If you've truly repented & accepted Jesus as your Lord and Saviour, I happily accept you as my brother/sister in Jesus.
I was so distressed and frustrated on what to believe, I cried out to God on my bed in a loud voice “ God Help me what should I believe I’m so confused God what should I believe?”
And immediately I heard in my heart “ Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved”
That's a good word, Moses.
moses Irfan... yeah that's right mate, the call to repent and believe on Christ goes out to all.
I know to some I'm over simplifing the matter, but like you that settled it for me.
Have a great Christmas Moses.❤️🙏
Amen ive come to the conclusion not to follow man in anything it brings too much confusion and uncertainty but to put my trust totally 100% into following Christ.
Abi Adu hi Abi, amen, we have to be like the Bereans in Acts, and check everything.
The more we study our Bibles the easier that is to do.
Moses, I have the same problem. All righteous people do. Fortunately, you know that was God speaking to you because it is in His word. That's the way God has chosen to speak to man. I would add, however, that we still need to listen to others and figure this thing out. It's hard work, but that is the curse upon man. "By the sweat of your brow you will till the soil". The arc was not necessary, God could have just snapped his fingers, so to speak, and accomplished the same things the flood accomplished without the arc, but that's not how He has chosen to do things. He asks us to work with Him. We "build an arc" when we test the spirits with scripture, and reason together and discuss what is of God and what is not with wise counsel. No one man will come up with the truth on his own, but God will guide him in his search for the truth. This will involve listening to what others say and teach, using discernment to decide if it's trustworthy, praying and seeking the truth in God's word, and doing all this in love. It's a lot of work, but the truth does not come easy in our fallen world. Fortunately, God promises that if we seek the truth as for hidden treasure, we will find it. If we trust in God, pray and remain humble, and search the scriptures, then we can be sure our efforts will be fruitful. God bless
love this. Great perspective! love your heart for God and for God's people!
Thanks, the last bit you said is spot on. I used to watch these online deabtes amoung Biblical scholars about Calvinism, Arminisiam, Lutherans etc...(and all the others). It became so confusing it caused me anxiety and I just gave up. It was all too much. I now just keep it simple, keep to the words which Jesus spoke as they have life. I leave to God the minute details I don't understand which some are agonized over
I'm just here to say how much I respect Bobby's approach to so many topics. He honestly holds space for people is such a way that is graceful without compromising on God's word. I'm a confusionist as well haha
Dear God, I know I’m a sinner, and I ask for your forgiveness. I believe Jesus Christ is Your Son. I believe that He died for my sin and that you raised Him to life. I want to trust Him as my Savior and follow Him as Lord, from this day forward. Guide my life and help me to do your will. I pray this in the name of Jesus. Amen." jim
Thank God you're a Bible based Christian and no longer a Calvinist
Verdade
What do you think of Ephesians 1:5? "In love, he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will"
Romans 8:29
“For whom he did FOREKNOW he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.”
The elect is based upon His foreknowledge. He knew who accept Him & who would reject Him.
@@KiaGainz verdade
@@KiaGainz , Você é cristian
Bobby thank you so much for coming out to D now and teaching us i felt like i related to u alot as a younger kid thank you so much you really opened up my mind🙏🙏
Thanks for this! Short and Sweet! Great summary and not to mention, charitable :-)
Glad you've left Calvinism Bobby and obviously spoke from the heart here. Surprised how many uhs and ums that were left in on the final cut of this video though.
I'm presuming there's a part 2 coming soon explaining what is Calvinism?
Dynamite Fresh then why even watch this pointless video
Right after the video, “what is Hobbsinism” 😂
Calvinism is neo-Gnosticism, not Christianity. If you're not aware of that, just read the works of Augustine, who reverted back to his Manichean gnostic beliefs in his later writings. Also read the works of John Calvin who, by his own admission, embraced Augustine's later writings.
Calvinism ideology is:
Total Depravity: people are like a deceased physical corpse, and they are incapable of making good decisions nor choosing God. Calvinists are hypocrites because they will freely admit -- when their own ordained Reformed ministers have fallen away from Christianity -- "were never saved in the first place." Well, how does that jive with Total Depravity?
Unconditional Election: God is the author of sin & evil, but He does so in an effort to get glory. He creates most people, including infants, to burn alive in Hell for eternity, sonthat He will mysteriously get some glory. However, there are a few select Calvinists who will be predestined to be part of the Elect -- and they will be saved.
Limited Atonement: the Scripture is wrong when it says Jesus died for everybody. Calvinists twist the word of God & redefine the word "all," so that they can teach that Jesus only died for the Elect. Jesus only loves the Elect, so He only died for the Elect.
Irresistible Grace: humans cannot resist God. He needs to make an unknowing person -- who was already predetermined as one of the Elect -- into a born-again person so that s/he will then irresistibly choose to repent and trust in Jesus.
Perseverance: if a Calvinist denies the faith prior to dying, then s/he was never a true believer -- never one of the Elect. This is hypocritical when compared to the "T," because ... how can a completely totally depraved person -- who cannot choose the things of God -- act like a Christian for so many years, only to leave the faith completely?
#FollowJesusNotJohnCalvin
IndianaJoe0321 you’re a joke, stop copy and pasting your propaganda
Yes, the Truth can hurt sometimes@@japexican007. You need to realize you are worshipping a false deity which has you deceived. If you seek the one, true God of the Bible, and stick with untwisted Scripture, God will give you clarity as well as strength to leave your Reformed "friends" behind.
my salvation was simple. once i believed on Christ and Christ crucified i was saved/sealed forever. the only salvation gospel is (1 Cor 15:1-4)
Amen I believed and I'm Saved and Sealed till the day of redemption
I think John Calvin would be distressed to know that there are groups of people that call themselves “Calvinist“
Good point!
Probably, but many Christians today hold the belief of arminianism and dont know it because they just aren't taught history anymore. The holy state will take care of us all, history isn't important just have faith in the state, hurray. (Sarcasm)
Congratulations To You Getting Set Free And Delivered From Calvinism.
Just Chill In Christ, Kyle Manning
Amen brother beautifully put 🙏🏾
For what I read in the comments most people don’t even have an idea of what Calvinism is. I’m not a Calvinist but been studying them for a couple of years and don’t agree with it. There’s many other YT channels explaining Calvinism. Learn to be curious a do your own research (don’t be lazy). I’m not explaining anything, if you want more, do research. If you are going to research look at both sides so you don’t fall into a trap. Soteriology 101 (YT Channel) explains many of the Calvinists beliefs. If you do t know what Calvinism is maybe you are one and don’t even know.
Thanks, bro ❤️
What is Good fruit?
“A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.”
Matthew 7:18 KJV
“Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.”
Matthew 7:20 KJV
“Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.”
Luke 8:11 KJV
“Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:”
Matthew 13:24 KJV
“He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;”
Matthew 13:37 KJV
“The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;”
Matthew 13:38 KJV
“But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.”
Matthew 13:23 KJV
“The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.”
Matthew 13:39 KJV
Is a person trusting in their works and God producing good fruit?
“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.”
Galatians 3:10 KJV
Is a person in constant fear of losing their salvation producing good fruit?
“By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.”
1 Corinthians 15:2 KJV
“I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.”
Galatians 2:21 KJV
“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.”
Galatians 3:27 KJV
“And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:29 KJV
- the seed is the word of God
- The good seed are the children of the Kingdom
- He that sows the Good seed is the son of man (Jesus)
Good fruit are those who are baptized in Jesus and who follow the Gospel
Those who are not truly saved are those who corrupt the word of God and aren’t truly trusting in Jesus Christ for salvation thus they don’t produce any fruit or bad fruit because they aren’t saving others due to a corrupted Gospel and aren’t saved themselves.
Great video
Calvinism and Arminianism are not the only options. I consider myself a scripturalist.
Dear Bobby, there is more than a Calvinism and Arminianism. There is also Traditionalism. Check out Soteriology101, Leighton Flowers. God bless you!
Dynamite Fresh Listen to this, please: ua-cam.com/video/T1leIaJntzo/v-deo.html
@@retrograd332 I am sure you did not listen very much to Leighton. I can say the same about any Calvinist. The first liberal theologians in Germany were Calvinists. Furthermore, Calvinism can lead to Agnosticism and other heresies. This logic does not work every time.
Dynamite Fresh
You have been misinformed brother. My view hasn’t changed in the last decade so whatever perceived drift you speak of is simply the observers own misconceptions about me. Also, I am the Director of Evangelism for the State of Texas, where I have worked for over 14 years, long before starting my podcast. My entire adult life has been devoted to Evangelism. I pray you won’t continue to spread false rumors about the brethren in the future. God bless
@@Soteriology101 Oh, nice to have you here! :)
Spoken like a true Calvinist, @@retrograd332. Bravo!
Usually ad hominum attacks don't contribute to the discussion. Also, I suspect you don't even know who Pelagius was or why Calvinists use his name -- incorrectly! -- as a zinger against non-Calvinists.
"In Essentials Unity, In Non-Essentials Liberty, In All Things Charity"- Meldenius (1627). BTW, I am so blessed by this channel, thank you & God bless.
We have adopted this as part of our vision/mission statement after a church "reset" (split ) over this doctrine.
Needs to be unity in the essentials -- and Calvinists believe their god burns dead babies alive in Hell, forever, and I just can't seem to find that particular deity in the Holy Bible.
The elect are pretty easy to know who they are
The elect aren’t: joe, bobby, Jane specifically
The elect are
Elect: anyone who’s trusted in Christ for salvation (God checks their hearts; imbues them with the Holy Spirit)
God had already determined that anyone who would believe on him would be his elect, he didn’t specifically choose Joe, Bobby, and Jane but they became elect when they believed on him, any confusion????
Amen!
Thank you!
So Jesus died on the cross and didn't know who each and everyone of the elect were going to be?
As far as Jesus knew, there might not be any elect, as He hung on the cross.
Bryan Stortenbecker he did know, it just wasn’t specific people, the elect is anyone who believes on him, it makes much more sense than God choosing specific people to save and specific people not to save, that’s not loving and also goes against the belief that we have free will, not to mention it makes the whole reason we’re here pointless if Gods the one who decided since the beginning who would be saved it wasn’t us who did anything, really I don’t know who in their right mind can’t see the obvious fallacies and inconsistencies that come with Calvinism
@@bryanstortenbecker2724 He knew he was going to die for " *WHOEVER* believes in Him, they would not perish, but have everlasting life." aka the elect.
Did anyone else notice that he didn't answer WHAT Calvinism is? Just a lot of history.
Great explanation! And there is also Traditionalism, neither Calvinism nor Arminianism.
Or provisionism
@apilkey think he mentioned traditionalists and provisionism when he said he was a confusionist...lol
I think the end is the same, an Arminianist would say a person fell away or backslid then a Calvinists would say that person was never saved. In the end that person is going to hell.
love this channel great speaker
There are many other doctrines before, during, and after Traditionalism, Calvinism nor Arminianism.
On the day of judgment am excited to hear what Jesus has to say about all this Calvinism, Armenians, 7th day Adventists Mormons, jehova witness, Catholics, Baptist, Pentecost, anthropology, psychology, epistemology, aesthetics, phenomenology, logic,ontology,theology,ethics,cosmology,astrology,hermeneutics, politics,morality,physics,politics,biology,methodology,telepathy, empathy,psychokinesis,teleportation,astral projection,witchcraft,time travel.
At last about book of Enoch, gospel of Thomas. 🙏🙏🙏
Calvinism is devoid of the most important revelation of God, which is the UNCONDITIONAL love of God. And they also overlook the stated plan of God in Jesus to bring ALL THINGS together under one head, even Christ. Universalism IS the gospel.
Amen! Well put. I subbed!
This is good stuff brother 👍
Excelent
Would be nice if he would extend the same grace to Word of Faith people like me who also hold to all of the essentials and reject Limited Atonement.
I was hoping for an easy intro (one minute, sorry...four) into Calvinism, for those who are unfamiliar. This video barely touches on what makes it controversial, much less explains what Calvinism is. It's more of a "mea culpa" (five point Calvinists are sometimes jerks) than an explanation.
It's an apology, not apologetics.
Word. Tired of the "family fight." Is just as bad as a church splitting over what color the new carpet should be.
Actually, it's not. Bobby alluded to the illogical consequences of embracing Calvinist ideology. If you follow their ideas & doctrines through, to conclusion, you arrive at a god which is the author of sin & evil. A god which predetermined billions of people to burn alive in Hell sonit can get some glory. A god which burns babies alive in Hell, so it can get some glory. The God if the Bible is not like that.
Their ideology even twists -- or even flips 180° -- biblically-based ideas like being born-again. For example, Calvinist doctrine is that unbeknownst to you, their god will suddenly make you born-again so that you will then -- subsequently -- have the ability to choose to repent & trust in Jesus. That's not biblical.
My point is that the discrepancies of the Calvinist theological system are so great & numerous, that it's more than just disagreeing over the carpet & drapes. If you patiently go through the text of Scripture with a Calvinist, s/he will often flat out reject the biblical God and His word ... all in favor of their own ideas.
@@IndianaJoe0321 Oh, I know, I have spent a lot of time studying the subject and have had more than enough conversations. I am currently a student at a "reformed" seminary, so I hear plenty of their rhetoric regarding something I disagree with.
My comment does not concern the content of the debate, but the value of the debate. There is far more substance to free-will/predestination debate, for sure, but it typically bears just as much fruit as a superficial argument over the carpet: none.
I think there are people on both sides of the debate that go to far toward their extremes, as there are a good number of pitfalls people trip into on the free-will side as well. Because one end of the argument has dangers doesn't mean the other holds none.
That is why I prefer to not enter into the argument. I don't think a perfect soteriological position is a requirement for salvation, and I am tired of "casting pearls before swine." I will instead try to find a better use of my time, that bears fruit.
@@11northtexas I agree
There's a great deal of Johns who were listed there.
Charles Hocker LoL
Sir, you didn't explain what Calvinism is though.
I will have to respectfully disagree with you on your view of Calvinism here. The reason we respond with having faith in Christ is because God’s already done the his miracle work of regeneration on us. Just as dead Lazarus could not make the decision to become alive again, we who are dead spiritually cannot make the decision to follow God.
Well said.
Following Jesus shouldn't be made so difficult Calvinism? I thought the whole point was to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ be a Christian.
Not a liberal Christian or a Conservative Christian just a Jesus following Christian.
@@retrograd332 I can see how some young Christians would feel overwhelmed.....smh..
@@retrograd332 I personally don't believe Jesus is concerned about Calvinism? believing in the Lord obedience having enduring faith, perseverance is what the Lord is looking for.
The elect are pretty easy to know who they are
The elect aren’t: joe, bobby, Jane specifically
The elect are
Elect: anyone who’s trusted in Christ for salvation (God checks their hearts; imbues them with the Holy Spirit)
God had already determined that anyone who would believe on him would be his elect, he didn’t specifically choose Joe, Bobby, and Jane but they became elect when they believed on him, any confusion????
@@codeblood2000 Calvinism is neo-Gnosticism, not Christianity. If you read up on the beliefs of Manichean gnosticism, then read Calvin's Institutes, the heresy will be apparent to you.
#FollowJesusNotJohnCalvin
John 6:37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.
John 6:44- No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.
John 6:63- It is the spirit that gives life; the flesh is no help at all.
John 6:65- This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.
I think it is a mistake to answer this question with philosophy as your starting point. If you start with philosophy you end with philosophy.
How quickly you identified yourself as a Calvinist. The system attracts a certain type of ... personality.
Those verses don't mean what you think they mean -- which is the problem of Calvinism. If you were to simply read the Text in context -- without the lens of Calvinism -- you would then correctly understand the Bible.
For example, you read John 6:44 and you THINK it says something, which the verse doesn't say. The context is the biblical God (not John Calvin's god) and the entire Bible. Thus, God makes the first move and draws all humans -- that's why Jesus died for every person, not just the Elect.
Unlearn what you have learned.
@@IndianaJoe0321 "the system attracts a certain type of...personality?" I have no idea what that means and this an interesting phrase to level against another brother in Christ.
"Those verses dont mean what you think they mean"- what's interesting is I just quoted the text with no explanation to them. Maybe you are assuming what you want them to say.
Also I have never read John Calvin.
A Calvinist believes s/he is part of the special Elect and has a corner on "the Truth," @@dougdozier8782. Thus, there is an apparent arrogance which is rather evident in most Calvinists. Since most Calvinists are not born-again, they are apt to pride, agression, cussing, and demeaning behavior.
@@IndianaJoe0321 these seem like wild assumptions. Do you think I'm arrogant? How do you know someone is not born again? Is it because they do not bare fruit or is it because they hold to Reformed theology?
@@dougdozier8782 If you were one of His sheep you would hear His voice and reject Calvinism and your misinterpretations of your so-called proof texts.
If you believe in the 5 points of tulip then you don’t hear God’s voice it’s pretty simple.
Not saying you’re not saved but you’re definitely deceived.
I rather be a Eastern Orthodox then a Calvinist en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synod_of_Jerusalem_(1672)
You didn't tell us what it was. Just gave an opinion of different 'isms' that surround it.
I past arguing about speaking in tongues and Calvinism. Well I will argue about Calvin and Hobbs comic books. This is my open challenge.
Thomas Watkins Bill Watterson named the titular characters after John Calvin and Thomas Hobbes.
@@comichound Thank you. Calvin and Hobbs are still the funnest cartoon ever drawn up.
'And you were "dead" in your trespasses and sins' (Eph 2:1) ~ but not so dead that you can't have faith to believe?
Basically, you affirm the mainstream view of freewill and God's sovereignty now. Good for you. Just recently I found out they call it semipelagionism...🙄.
The fact that people are free to accept or reject Christ/the substitutionary atonement, and that it is God whom ultimately in his sovereignty gives everyone the option for life everlasting. Yea... that seems so logical and consistent, but I guess not for everyone..
@@retrograd332 Romans 3:9-18 are quotations of OT Paul used to tell the Jews that they are not better than the Greeks in that they are all condemned under the law and "so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God;"(Rom 3:19c). The point was simply that "by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin." (v20)
He nowhere attempts to make the point that man is unable to freely choose obedience over rejection of God. Even reading the quotes Paul paraphrases (Psalm 14:1-3, 53:1-3, 5:9, 140:3, Jer 5:16) in context (mostly poetic songs on the wretchedness and folly of man) doesn't attempt to prove that point. It's strong language to state that no one is without sin and man is wretched.
Paul's messages seems to be Jews have done just as much wrong as Greeks, so we all need salvation from the consequences of breaking the law. For the law itself cannot save either of us.
None of us are blameless. But there's a difference in saying we all have the inclination for sin. And we cannot ever freely choose to follow God.
David himself was a man after God's own heart. Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness” and he was called a friend of God etc etc. Their inclination to sin didn't prevent them from having these titles. They still chose for God even tho they fall into the same category in the poetry/songs that Paul cited.
And no choosing God doesn't mean we are saved by "works". Because if Christ hadn't given His life, our choice/"works" to give our lives to God and follow in obedience best we can would be of no effect. One single sin in our past would've been enough for the wages of death (Rom 6:23). So it is ultimately grace that saves us.
But obviously grace, altough offered to all man, will only save those in accordance with its only condition...being a willing follower of Christ by faith in who he is, what he taught, and what he came to do for our death sentance, despite our wretched state.
"Semi-Pelagianism" is so menacing, isn't it? Calvinists are good at ad hominem attacks and setting up false dichotomies. Typical gnostic trickery.
Pelagius believed, as all other Christians before him, that humans have free will and make conscious decisions to follow God or reject God.
Manichean Gnostics taught that humans don't have free will and that everything -- including every little fleeting sinful thought & doubt -- was predetermined by God.
Augustine was a Manichean Gnostic who got radically saved and he embraced a biblical theology. However, later in life he got into debates with Pelagius and Augustine reverted back to his Manichean beliefs ... which became a part of Augustine's later writings.
John Calvin embraced the later writings of Augustine and here we are, dealing with Calvinism in the 21st century.
@@IndianaJoe0321 Yep, ultimately Calvinism (Including Luther btw) is influenced by Augustinian thought. Which is influenced by Manichean gnosticism indeed..
@@shanevan1 wrote, "None of us are blameless. But there's a difference in saying we all have the inclination for sin. [sic] And we cannot ever freely choose to follow God."
If a Calvanist does not persevere to the very end, the Reformed congregation will say that s/he is as never saved in the first place. If that's true (it's not!), then how did the Calvinist appear to freely choose to follow God for eight years?
@@IndianaJoe0321 Yea...I guess that would be the 'P' from. The 5 points of Calvinism("TULIP"). Preservation of the saints...aka "Once saved always saved"...
Even tho apostasy is a real thing in scripture. It should not even exist if people that "fall of" were never in the fold. For example see Demas, Paul's evangelist partner(Philemon 1:24), leave the faith:
2Ti 4:10 For Demas has forsaken me, having loved this present world, and traveled to Thessalonica--Crescens to Galatia, Titus to Dalmatia.
Was Demas saved even though he departed because of his love for worldly things? Or was he never really a true follower and evangelist for Christ?...
It seems so obvious, but sadly not for Calvinists.
John 3:16 God loves everybody!
I Pe 1:2 "God who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood:"
God knows everythings
paula apologista Calvinism debunked: “And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
1 John 2:2 KJV
@@japexican007 Very good!
'Perspectives on Election' book: amzn.to/2v0ug7x
Sorry ... I find Conway's explanation of Calvinism lacking. Conway failed to mention a central tenant of Calvinism which is that through the construct of Unconditional Election - aka, the U in TULIP, it is God and God alone who has decided "from the foundation of the world" who are the elect (saved) and the reprobate (not saved). As I see it, God's selection of those who're to be saved doesn't mean that a non-elect person isn't able to experience guilt for their "sins" and seek remediation for those sins. So, in spite that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory, it is quite possible that an individual could on their own come to the conclusion that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. However, because this individual hasn't been chosen, he's doomed to be cast into eternal separation and can not be saved. He wasn't chosen. God didn't want him. A similar argument can be made as to infants. It only stands to reason that the overwhelming majority of children who die through abortion, accident or illness are cast into Hell - not because of any sin that they have committed. Rather, God doesn't want them. So, per sovereign election according the Calvinism, God eternally punishes the sinless (children who die before an age of accountability) and God does not reach out to any non-elect person who may otherwise be trying to find solace in Jesus' sacrifice. No way around it, Calvinism is not good news.
Bobby is a replacement theologian.
Calvin was an heretic.
How?
@@TracksAbz Very Good question. I hope you will do your research. Every calvinist position stand on determinism with the false doctrine of a given faith. Always remember Gen 15:6 and the Holy Spirit work who convince all mens. John 3:17-18
Dominic Blouin Amen
Calvin was the one who emphsized on Predestination and Election in the Bible, such as David the youngest among the family was predestined to be King. And because He first Loved us, not that, we first love Him.
G Yet he had a unbiblical understanding of both.
Correct, @@justchilling704, because John Calvin embraced the Manichean gnosticism of Augustine, which appeared in Augustine's later writings. Sadly, Augustine was having a hard time dealing with Pelagius, who believed in free will, and consequently Augustine reverted back to his former Manichean gnostic beliefs.
IndianaJoe0321 He was a Manichaeism is toxic dualism Augustine believed in it?
Calvinism is the ultimate stroking of one’s ego, you can’t help but be saved bc you’re one of God’s specially elected and or predestined, not shocked that a snob came up with such theology.
I used to like watching apologia Studios videos on abortion. Always thought they had great arguments. But I had to stop watching the videos because of how absolutely obnoxious they are about being calvinist.
dave likesbacon Yeah I know exactly what you mean, I still watch them but don’t usually watch their sermons, it must be a Calvinist thing lol, but I do like seeing them debate atheists lol.
“And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
1 John 2:2 KJV
Calvinism debunked
@@japexican007 Amen
You want to be a child of God or Christian then BELIEVE in Jesus, obey Him and Keep His commandments.
How do you do this? Read the 4 Gospels and study them, take notes. Ask God questions, ask God for wisdom and for help to understand for God will provide all of these things when you seek Him in faith.
How do you understand the scriptures? You don’t and you can’t without Jesus. How can the mind of a human understand the mind of God? Submit to God and He will teach you when you believe In Jesus, for apart from God you and I know nothing.
We have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. And this is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom, but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned 1 Cor. 2:13-14
....Christian Tradition.? Didn’t Jesus tell us to move AWAY from traditions of men? Didn’t Jesus say that the Pharisees neatly set aside the commandments of God to follow the traditions of men? So why are people still clinging onto their “Christian” traditions when you are disobeying Jesus in doing so?
Jesus answered them, “Isaiah prophesied correctly about you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘These people honor Me with their lips, but their hearts are far from Me. They worship Me in vain; they teach as doctrine the precepts of men.’ You have disregarded the commandment of God to keep the tradition of men.” -Mark 7:6-8
See the issue is that people praise “great” men instead of praising Jesus alone. John Piper and John McArthur are both false teachers. There are countless videos showing them teaching heresies to people who do not read their bibles. There is no doctrine or teaching that is greater than the doctrine of Christ. This is how Satan sneaks in the church unaware. Teaching people you can be a this you can be a that yet they claim to be disciples of Calvinism and disciples of Arminianism or even an Orthodox this or that and but they are not a disciple of Jesus. Jesus says you can not have two masters! You do not need to categorize teachings of God according to “man’s understanding” with points to “memorize” when the anointing of the Holy Spirit of God teaches you all things so that no man needs to teach you (1 John 2:26-27) and who will bring all things from memory when the time is ready (John 14:26).
Jesus way is the only WAY. Jesus says that Broad and wide is the gate that leads to destruction but narrow is the gate that leads to eternal life and few find it. That way is ONE way found in Jesus Christ of the scriptures. That tells you a lot about all of these isms, denominations, and churches because a man can have 99% truth of knowledge of God but still cling to 1% falsehood taught by another man and they can still go to hell for that because they chose think they are “smart” enough to outwit or be accepted by an all knowing God and because they chose to believe the teachings of a man and his mind and not the teachings of Jesus taught by God when you believe in Jesus and what He did to die for your sins on the cross and who rose on the third day from the grave and ascended to heaven and is now at the right hand of the Father God.
Learning to understand all of these points and the differences of doctrines of men are nothing more than Satan getting you to eat from and focus on the tree of “knowledge” of good and evil to keep you from eating from the tree of life. He did the same thing to Adam and Eve getting them to focus on the tree of knowledge of good and evil and did not once ask about eating from the tree of life and that is because Satan will not direct you to Jesus, the tree of life, but he will direct you to knowledge.
Apologetics is good for its purpose but it is similar to an empty religion focused on knowledge of Jesus but not telling you that you must KNOW Jesus. Do not be on the receiving end of Jesus saying this to you because you chose not to believe in Him but chose to follow teachings of man:
Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’
Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’
- Matthew 7:21-22
Good logic, bad exegesis
Who persevere to the end will be saved, came out of Jesus himself, it’s not totally Calvinist view. Ones saved always saved brings a lot of questions!
Gamy Oyola that’s only if you’re not rightly dividing
the word sovereign is not in the Bible and is never used to describe God.
Follow the scriptures? Acts 9:5 and 26:14. Why did Jesus have to use a goad on Saul? John 1:12-13 Which were born, not of blood, nor the will of the flesh, but of God. And of course Romans 9, and addresses the objection that is made today 18-21. Luke 24:45 And he opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the scriptures. There's so many more scriptures regarding Calvinism. Ephesians is chock full. 1:4-5
Calvinism is simply false doctrine. I rejected it long ago. Beyond the Fundamentals has a UA-cam channel showing how unscriptural it really is. When you take scripture in context as a whole you will never arrive at Calvinism. Calvinism will always come from external sources to the Bible. If you take Calvinism through to it’s logical conclusion and you’re intellectually honest you will have to acknowledge God is the author of sin and become a Hyper-Calvinist. The only other option is to display cognitive dissonance and argue that God ordains everything that comes to pass in an active sense while, at the same time, not being the author of sin. That cannot logically hold up.
The existence of gods can't logically hold up. May I ask what observation led you to believe that this god you've mentioned exists?
Theo Skeptomai
Without any religion you can logically come to the conclusion that there has to be a personal God who is the absolute foundation of reality, even if you can’t identify exactly who that God is. Based on the logical law of the excluded middle there are only two options:
1) Ultimate reality in its fundamental nature and metaphysics is impersonal (this is a belief).
2) Ultimate reality in its fundamental nature and metaphysics is personal (This is a belief).
So there are only two possibilities where one has to be true. Both are beliefs and either view has a burden of proof. Even if you’re agnostic about the two you still have to acknowledge it can only be one or the other. Looking at all the arguments and evidence for each position I’s say 2 wins hands down and is the most feasible.
As for the identity of this God; that’s a separate issue from whether there is a God or not. If you determine there likely is and that the ultimate foundation of reality is personal (rather than impersonal) you can then look into the religions of the world to determine which religion (if any) has the right God or correct conception of God. If you think none that still doesn’t invalidate God’s existence, which is why we have Deists who simply reason there must be an intelligent cause to the universe, but that we cannot know much about that cause. Much like if I find a watch I can conclude the watch has a personal maker without being able to identify who the maker is or what his personality is like. I don’t need to identify the maker to logically conclude there is a personal intelligence behind the watch. Since the universe is infinitely more intelligent than any watch I can logically conclude that it very likely has a personal cause and then go from there. It’s basic common sense to me! There are no good arguments of intelligence coming from non intelligence or consciousness coming from non consciousness. I think God’s existence is obvious and self evident for many more reasons.
@@monsterhuntervideos4446 A logical argument cannot be rendered true unless and until its form has validity and all of its premises are sound. Having validity means that *_if_* all the premises are sound (we _presume_ them all to be sound to _test_ validity), it must be argued in such a form that it is impossible for the conclusion not to be true. Once validity is established, then all premises are evaluated for soundness. This means the truth of each premise is established by prior premises or that its truth is self-evident. If each and every premise is sound, then and only then, the conclusion *_must be accepted as true._*
By failing to include a deductive conclusion, you have failed to present a valid argument. While true dichotomous pairings present validity subsequent to the logical law of excluded middle, valid arguments must include a conclusion that is _necessarily_ reached if the premises are sound.
Even if you were to include the requisite conclusion, your premises are not sound.
Neither of the premises are necessarily or sufficiently founded by a primal presupposition of self-evidence, nor merited from established truths substantiated from prior premises.
For your premises to be sound, you would have to establish that reality is hierarchical and terminal in nature in order so as to elicit an 'ultimate' reality. You have not establish this fact. Further you would have to prove that this highest or terminal point would necessarily be _personal_ to qualify as a belief, as the term 'impersonal belief' is contradictory.
So your claim that a personal god _must_ exist who is the absolute foundation of reality is NOT substantiated by evidence or logical argument.
Theo Skeptomai
The logical law of the excluded middle demands the cause is either personal or impersonal. It has to be one or the other. All the evidence points to it being more likely personal than impersonal. This is basic stuff and not complicated. The best explanation for intelligence in the universe is an intelligent cause. There is no example you can give of intelligence deriving from non intelligence. None. All examples of information and intelligence we have in reality are examples of pre intelligence being the cause; always. It’s what we always observe The only other option is a non intelligent cause. There are no good arguments or evidence for the cause being non intelligent. Logic, at the very least, reveals a creator is more likely than some impersonal reality. When narrowed down to only two options I’m going to go with the one that seems the most probable and intelligible of the two. Some kind of super conscious Intelligence being the cause of consciousness and intelligence in the universe seems to be the most logical and likely explanation to me. If you think the opposite is more likely true then present your case. It has to be one of those two. You’re either going to be 50/50 agnostic on the issue, or you will lean one way more than the other. It’s as simple as that. Obviously and self evidently there has to be an absolute foundation of all reality or a cause, otherwise there would be no reality, unless you want to advocate reality just magically emerged. The cause has to be either personal or impersonal, period. There is no third option, apart from magic. You could advocate the universe itself is the sum total of reality and the foundation itself, but it would still need to be either personal or impersonal in it’s fundamental essence. You would need to be able to explain how an impersonal/unconscious universe could produce conscious/personal beings. Good luck with that. Either way whatever view you take will require a degree of faith just as much as the theist. If you take no view either way that doesn’t change the fact that it has to be one or the other just because you’re undecided.
@@monsterhuntervideos4446 Let's go step by step and see where we begin to differ. Would that be acceptable to you?
You are talking meat when most Christians can barely deal with milk..
You’re wrong on this. We are to contend earnestly for the faith. We are commanded to rebuke those who contradict sound doctrine. Anything that’s not truth is by definition a lie. If Calvinism isn’t the truth, then it is a lie and a destructive doctrine and it is not ok to just accept it. It is a different gospel and really no gospel (good news) at all, and it should be rebuked as a teaching which does not accord with sound doctrine according to the Bible.
A confusionist lol
lolol
Con = with, and fusion = mashing things together (that don't belong.. like those under law or under grace).
Calvinism is the theology whose God actually saves those They love. Simple
Calvinism is the theology that can demonstrate it' Biblical roots.
Rather the opposite
@@edmundoftheangles7977"Rather the opposite"
Correct.
A "loving" deity who doesn't actually save... is the opposite of the reformed position.
Patrick McDonnell and I thought God couldn’t hate anyone?
The elect are pretty easy to know who they are
The elect aren’t: joe, bobby, Jane specifically
The elect are
Elect: anyone who’s trusted in Christ for salvation (God checks their hearts; imbues them with the Holy Spirit)
God had already determined that anyone who would believe on him would be his elect, he didn’t specifically choose Joe, Bobby, and Jane but they became elect when they believed on him, any confusion????
Great video but the title is misleading if someone just wanted to know what Calvinism was they would leave confused for sure. I love the intent and I agree as a confusionist lol as well
Kind of hard to sum up Calvinism in 1 minute
That minutia is actually how you decide the character of god. How can you witness to anyone without understanding it clearly? Free will is the only currency people have with god. Calvin shows it to be counterfeit. You can argue from both sides depending on the mood. This subject lead me to fully reject the cross. The funny thing being is no christian cares about predestination that much. If you try and discuss anything deeper than about 2 minutes of it, they don't know past that and have no intention of learning. Please understand that you just gave these folks an excuse in the name of unity. The gods on both sides of this debate are simply not the same. One is Deterministic and the other gives choice. You can't make them the same and they don't like each other. I no longer believe for so many reasons and would encourage to look at this stuff honestly. You'll stop believing as well. Most christians don't find it important enough to go past rudimentary anything in the bible. It's because of excuses like this.
@ the 3:10 mark: " I don't think that being dead in our trespass and sins means that we're so dead that we can't respond in faith..."
I've never seen a dead man respond to anything.
You highlight another problem as well; his statement begins with "I don't think..." Well, the truth of the scripture does not depend on what we think or don't think of them, and far too often people begin statements about the scriptures with "I think," and they will usually do so to attempt to give their statements authority or merit, but when people say that they "don't think" the Bible refers to such things as man's moral inability, shown in so many passages, that tells me that their "I think" statement could only have come either from a lack of study of the scriptures, so it is an honest misunderstanding or ignorance, or it comes from a denial of the scriptures that teach it. I would recommend a great book for him entitled "For Whom Did Christ Die?" by RB Kuiper. Or, he could just read John 6, John 10, and John 17...
This is why I tell my wife never to begin a statement about scripture with "I believe," or "I think," but rather "the word of God declares," because to make her statement in the latter format removes herself as the authority, and places it squarely on God and what He has said - our opinions about it are irrelevant.
Lawrence Stanley Excellent instruction for your wife. I have learned to not say I think or I believe when talking about anything. I only go so far as to say I have an opinion about this (meaning I am coming from a point of understanding why this may happen or be the way that it is) but let me tell you what God says about this. Me starting off with saying I think instead of it is written is a passive way of people saying “What I say has authority enough to possibly be right so believe me.” The attention goes straight off of Jesus when that phrase is said. When you do not know something just say it! But I think people’s pride wont let them and they have not decreased so that Christ may increase yet
Have you ever seen a dead man sin?
Dead men can’t sin either do obviously this is speaking about spiritual death and not an inability to respond positively to Christ’s divine initiative.
Hi thank you for the video but it is not clear, we need more info about that, blessing
Amen and amen. "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life."
The perspicuous meaning of this is that God wants all to believe and be saved. God did not choose some to be saved and some to perish. God has given the way of salvation in Jesus. God also gives the grace so those who are humble enough to stop trying by their own efforts to reach the heights of God's standard, and accept the way that God has provided will be saved. Jesus was the perfect sacrifice. It is the quality of the sacrifice that counts. Now how did the foreshadowing of Christ work in the sacrifices of the temple. The sacrifice counted for all those who identified with it. So the sacrifice of Jesus counts for all those who identify with Him. If people don't identify with Jesus it is not God's fault but their own for resisting God's drawing.
I subscribed you because of this because Calvinism is sooooo biased
The question over for whom did Christ die is a "pet particularity" that we must move away from???
I disagree with how you are rebutting the argument against how Calvinists defines sovereignty of God which in my opinion is biblical. Your argument seems as it is based on philosophy first rather than based on the scripture, also how you have inline the argument with the Islam is absolutely a poor argument against how true Calvinists(NOT-Hyper Calvinists) would define what is sovereignty of God. I love your ministry and I listen to you regular bases, not to keep disagreeing with your point but to be edify by your ministry and Your testimony. Regardless of our differences, may God be glorified! I'm pretty sure, i will never get to talk to you in person. So I hope to talk to you about it in heaven with much love! I will greet you with the Holy kiss!
So what is Calvinism?
Patrick McDonnell what do you mean by get God off the hook?
@@japexican007 its false.
Calvinism is neo-Gnosticism, not Christianity. If you're not aware of that, just read the works of Augustine, who reverted back to his Manichean gnostic beliefs in his later writings. Also read the works of John Calvin who, by his own admission, embraced Augustine's later writings.
Calvinism ideology is:
Total Depravity: people are like a deceased physical corpse, and they are incapable of making good decisions nor choosing God. Calvinists are hypocrites because they will freely admit -- when their own ordained Reformed ministers have fallen away from Christianity -- "were never saved in the first place." Well, how does that jive with Total Depravity?
Unconditional Election: God is the author of sin & evil, but He does so in an effort to get glory. He creates most people, including infants, to burn alive in Hell for eternity, sonthat He will mysteriously get some glory. However, there are a few select Calvinists who will be predestined to be part of the Elect -- and they will be saved.
Limited Atonement: the Scripture is wrong when it says Jesus died for everybody. Calvinists twist the word of God & redefine the word "all," so that they can teach that Jesus only died for the Elect. Jesus only loves the Elect, so He only died for the Elect.
Irresistible Grace: humans cannot resist God. He needs to make an unknowing person -- who was already predetermined as one of the Elect -- into a born-again person so that s/he will then irresistibly choose to repent and trust in Jesus.
Perseverance: if a Calvinist denies the faith prior to dying, then s/he was never a true believer -- never one of the Elect. This is hypocritical when compared to the "T," because ... how can a completely totally depraved person -- who cannot choose the things of God -- act like a Christian for so many years, only to leave the faith completely?
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Nothing biblical at all, @@patrickmcdonnell2067. Try reading the Scripture without a Calvinist lens, and the word of God will come alive to you.
IndianaJoe0321 okay, when did I ever say I was a Calvinist? Are you an idiot?
I just believe the Bible
Calvinism and Arminianism mean nothing to me
what is calvinism? a result of eisegesis
Calvin had a Spanish guy burned alive.
Charles Dickens he didn’t actually. That particular individual was tried for heresy and exiled from the city. The heretic, despite knowing that returning would be punishable by death, came back and sat in the front row of church on Sunday. He was arrested. Calvin wrote to the leaders of the other Protestant nations for advice. They all told him to execute the man. Calvin wanted to have him beheaded. The council overrode Calvin and had the man burned. The same thing would have happens in any other Protestant (and most likely Catholic) nation at the time. The man chose his own death when he returned to the city
@@BaijoGosum why would I listen to a man who wanted a 'heretic' beheaded? Would Christ have wanted the man's head chopped off? Nothing doing, Calvin is a disgrace.
Charles Dickens not saying you should, just wanted to get the whole story out there. For what it is worth, Jesus is going to condem a lot of people to hell for a heretical beliefs
You can split hairs if you want, but Calvin signed off on the Spaniard's death. His name was Michael Servetus. I'm guessing Yeshua won't take that too kindly at the judgement.
Love God first! The scriptures is God's way of speaking to you personally hence the WORD of God! Test everything against God's word. You and you alone will stand if front of Him at the judgement. Everyone will see you trying to defend yourself against the all knowing all powerful God that created everything, read that again, EVERYTHING! You will loose that debate! You yes you will be naked and bare in front of the Creator of literally every single thing in this universe! We tend to put ourselves into this position of power that is a fantom that we ourselves create. You think that you are good!! You are not! I have so much more to add to this but I have to go to sleep now. Feel free to bombard me with all of your vitriolic comments. Just remember to look at yourselves before you do ! Because what ever you'll be commenting on will only be just that a comment!
Sweet Dreams
God is sovereign. I am responsjible. Its not fatalism. Its a mystery. And its confirmed by scripture.
Exactly.
Is it possible god doesn’t exist ?
In short, heresy.
Or at least their take on assurance of salvation.
You lost me at "The great John Calvin and the great Institutes" If you bothered reading the some of John's interpretation and works and some of the cognitive dissonance writings of some of the "stars of reformed theology" , like Pink, MacArthur, Piper ( who beleive God ordains Evil!!) you wouldn't be such a great fan of this false teaching. Reformers think the Bible is a math book with problems to solve, like, 'what does God really think? How does His salvation plan work exactly? Ect". And the arrogance of this doctrine is that they beleive they solved the calculations, i.e. How God worked everything out!
It’s a blasphemous anti Gospel heresy from wolves that crept in unawares to poison the sheep
monergism is true
If it's not biblical, how can it be true?
Show one passage which teaches that God makes an unknowing person born-again against her/his will, only to then have that individual consequently repent & trust in Jesus.
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Romans 9
"16 So then, it does not depend on human desire or exertion, but on God who shows mercy. 17 For the scripture says to Pharaoh: “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may demonstrate my power in you, and that my name may be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18 So then, God has mercy on whom he chooses to have mercy, and he hardens whom he chooses to harden.
19 You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who has ever resisted his will?” 20 But who indeed are you-a mere human being-to talk back to God? Does what is molded say to the molder, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Has the potter no right to make from the same lump of clay one vessel for special use and another for ordinary use? 22 But what if God, willing to demonstrate his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience the objects of wrath prepared for destruction? 23 And what if he is willing to make known the wealth of his glory on the objects of mercy that he has prepared beforehand for glory- 24 even us, whom he has called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles?"
Clearly and succinctly laid out.
Chris G
The problem is that Calvinist use Romans 9 as the authoritative Gospel and forget Matthew, Mark and Luke. Also John. In Romans 9, you missed the part where God is longsuffering. Why would God be enduring what He decreed? Makes no sense. In fact can man affect the very mind of God?
“Wherefore should the Egyptians speak, and say, For mischief did he bring them out, to slay them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth? *Turn from thy fierce wrath, and repent of this evil against thy people.* Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, thy servants, to whom thou swarest by thine own self, and saidst unto them, I will multiply your seed as the stars of heaven, and all this land that I have spoken of will I give unto your seed, and they shall inherit it for ever. *And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.”*
Exodus 32:12-14 KJV
You see, intercession becomes a nonsensical and pointless action under the Calvinistic system.
*Q:* _Did God intend to do evil to the rebellious Israelites?_
*Q:* _Who changed His mind?_
Also, @@jesuschristsaves9067, evangelism is pointless in the Calvinist system because no matter what -- the Elect are already the predetermined Elect.
I know, I know. You don't need to be a Calvinist in order to be a Christian, God leads people to the truth either way.
Everything that happens in history has been decreed/Predestined before the world was created see Eph 1:11, Proverbs 16:33 and Amos 3:6. And yes even when terrible things happen, I know it's hard for some people to accept but look what happened when David sinned against God and one of Davids punishments was that God told him that he was going to use Davids own son to shame his Father by Absalom Absalom doing something immoral to his Fathers concubines in front of all of Israel, see 2 Samuel 12:11-12 God said "Thus says the Lord, ‘Behold, I will raise up evil against you from your own household; I will even take your wives before your eyes and give them to your companion, and he will lie with your wives in broad daylight. Indeed you did it secretly, but I will do this thing before all Israel, and under the sun." Notice how God said "I WILL DO THIS THING."That was fulfilled in 2 Samuel 16:21-22. Jesus did not die for every single person ever and Jesus didn't die to make people savable. He died to save his elect. In John 17:9 Jesus said that he does not pray for the world. The word world is used in different contexts, in that context he's talking about the non elect. In John 3:16 world means that he purchased people from every tribe, tongue and nation Rev 5:9 and for the children of God scattered abroad John 11:52. Some have been "long beforehand marked out for condemnation" Jude 4 and "appointed to doom." 1 Peter 2:8. About Pharaoh God said “For this VERY PURPOSE I raised you up, to demonstrate My power in you, and that My name might be proclaimed throughout the whole earth.” So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires." Rom 9:17-18. Jesus said "I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants. Yes, Father, for this way was well-pleasing in Your sight. All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him." Matthew 11:25-27. So, 2 Pet 3:9 the "not willing that any should perish" if you read that letter in context, 2 Pet 1:1 says "To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours." As far as salvation for all men verses, Paul was refuting the false notion of his time that God was only desiring to save just the Jews and 1 Tim 2:2 says to pray "for kings and all who are in authority" because as humans WE DON'T KNOW WHO THE ELECT ARE SO WE PRAY FOR EVERYONE! That's what it means in verse 4 by saying "all men." Amos 3:2 God said "of all the nations of the earth I have only known you." For centuries God passed over the majority of humankind because this verse isn't about knowledge it's about relationship. And it isn't because God foresaw Israel was more righteous then the other nations because sometimes Israel was more sinful then the pagan nations see 2 Kings 21:9. Only those who were predestined to be saved will be see Acts 13:48, Ephesians 1:4-5, Eph 1:11, Romans 9:11-23, John 6:37. 1 Samuel 3:14 God said “Therefore I have sworn to the house of Eli that the iniquity of Eli’s house shall not be atoned for by sacrifice or offering forever.” That's Limited atonement.
And something to think about regarding your if "A" then "B" scenario.
If the Israelites ought to follow the Law, then they should be able to follow the Law. The problem with this is, they can't follow the Law, which is why there is a sacrificial system.
Also, since Christ told us to be perfect as our heavenly Father is perfect, that implies I can be perfect as my heavenly Father is perfect.
So it seems that it is a possibility that God can give a command that his creatures can't follow.
Bobby, love your attitude, brother. If we all behave as the bible commands us, as you are, we will come as close to the truth as we can come. Which is Calvinism, you heretic! jk
Calvinism is Baptist intellectualism. They have to resort to that because their not filled with the Holy Ghost according to Acts 2:38
If you want to talk about doctrinal subjects, you start with the bible, not by saying some guy invented X idea. Calvin was just saying what the bible says, and almost all of the reformers held the same views on this topic, including Luther. And a thousand years earlier, Augustine was saying the same things. The church gathered a council to discuss this and decided Augustine was right, the bible says men are born with "original" sin and are not free to choose to follow God.
Adam was told he would die if he broke the one rule he was given, and in the next scene we see him hiding from God. Many, many years later, his body died, but immediately after he broke the rule, he recognized his own sinfulness, and feared God's unrelenting holiness. That is the condition that Adam has passed on to all of his offspring, we all are born with antithesis toward God.
First Corinthians 2:14 " But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
That essentially says you have to be saved and be indwelled by the Holy Spirit before you can appreciate God, and being saved.
But there are many, many more verses that teach men have to be saved by God, meaning they do not take part in their salvation, not even their faith is mustered by them, but is a gift. Ephesians 2:8 says that our faith is a gift.
The biggest problem with talking about this topic, is many people immediatly stop talking about what the bible says, and start bringing up philosophical objections they have with it. Just read the bible, and it all works out.
Calvinism is neo-Gnosticism, not Christianity. If you read up on the beliefs of Manichean gnosticism, then read Calvin's Institutes, the heresy will be apparent to you.
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A heresy
Pietro Del Franco Well said.
Holy Kafir Exactly! Calvin was a egotistical snob, who thought he couldn’t help but be saved smh.
Yes, Calvinism is a heresy in the sense that Calvinism is neo-Gnosticism, not Christianity.
If you read up on the beliefs of Manichean gnosticism, then read Calvin's Institutes, the heresy will be apparent to you.
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The hair style is a bit too much for me
speakbigtruth LoL 😁 Hilarious
You’re a confusion - ist?? Did I hear you right? Satan is the author of confusion. Have I missed something?
I’m not Calvinist or Armenian (really don’t understand the difference other than the ministers mentioned) I am a Christian, a follower of Messiah.
I think he meant it as a joke, as you can see he slightly laughed when he said it
Calvinism is neo-Gnosticism, not Christianity. If you're not aware of that, just read the works of Augustine, who reverted back to his Manichean gnostic beliefs in his later writings. Also read the works of John Calvin who, by his own admission, embraced Augustine's later writings.
Calvinists hide in plain sight because they know that most Christians won't take time to read those historical works on their own.
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Anavah opens: You're a confusionist? Have I missed something?
Anavah closes: I really don't understand what I am.
Me: huh
It’s a heretical pepppering of the gospel
Fake video
In other words, your objection was interlocutor of Romans’ 9. 😒 and you imposed humanistic philosophy of free will into the text. Good job.
Calvin was not original at 25 when he penned 'The Institutes' and quoted Augustine over 4,000 times (major force in Catholic doctrine). Speaking of quoting.. we'd rather less opinion from a Joe Cool, and more exegesis of God's Word.
I think this was a very naive description of Calvinism.
Can you please give us a accurate description of Calvinism Matthew?
Calvinism is neo-Gnosticism, not Christianity. If you're not aware of that, just read the works of Augustine, who reverted back to his Manichean gnostic beliefs in his later writings. Also read the works of John Calvin who, by his own admission, embraced Augustine's later writings.
Calvinism ideology is:
Total Depravity: people are like a deceased physical corpse, and they are incapable of making good decisions nor choosing God. Calvinists are hypocrites because they will freely admit -- when their own ordained Reformed ministers have fallen away from Christianity -- "were never saved in the first place." Well, how does that jive with Total Depravity?
Unconditional Election: God is the author of sin & evil, but He does so in an effort to get glory. He creates most people, including infants, to burn alive in Hell for eternity, sonthat He will mysteriously get some glory. However, there are a few select Calvinists who will be predestined to be part of the Elect -- and they will be saved.
Limited Atonement: the Scripture is wrong when it says Jesus died for everybody. Calvinists twist the word of God & redefine the word "all," so that they can teach that Jesus only died for the Elect. Jesus only loves the Elect, so He only died for the Elect.
Irresistible Grace: humans cannot resist God. He needs to make an unknowing person -- who was already predetermined as one of the Elect -- into a born-again person so that s/he will then irresistibly choose to repent and trust in Jesus.
Perseverance: if a Calvinist denies the faith prior to dying, then s/he was never a true believer -- never one of the Elect. This is hypocritical when compared to the "T," because ... how can a completely totally depraved person -- who cannot choose the things of God -- act like a Christian for so many years, only to leave the faith completely?
#FollowJesusNotJohnCalvin
You changed your mind because you read a book “a philosopher” wrote ? Because in your mind you are over defining the sovereignty of God it becomes fatalism? Yes, indeed, God is God and He does whatever pleases Him...don’t need our approval, our liking or disliking or even that we understand
His position on any matter. He doesn’t owe us an explanation. I agree we owe to respect our Arminian brothers and sisters but the Biblical understanding of who God is, is non negotiable.
Hi thank you for the video but it is not clear, we need more info about that, blessing
Calvinism is neo-Gnosticism, not Christianity. If you're not aware of that, just read the works of Augustine, who reverted back to his Manichean gnostic beliefs in his later writings. Also read the works of John Calvin who, by his own admission, embraced Augustine's later writings.
Calvinism ideology is:
Total Depravity: people are like a deceased physical corpse, and they are incapable of making good decisions nor choosing God. Calvinists are hypocrites because they will freely admit -- when their own ordained Reformed ministers have fallen away from Christianity -- "were never saved in the first place." Well, how does that jive with Total Depravity?
Unconditional Election: God is the author of sin & evil, but He does so in an effort to get glory. He creates most people, including infants, to burn alive in Hell for eternity, sonthat He will mysteriously get some glory. However, there are a few select Calvinists who will be predestined to be part of the Elect -- and they will be saved.
Limited Atonement: the Scripture is wrong when it says Jesus died for everybody. Calvinists twist the word of God & redefine the word "all," so that they can teach that Jesus only died for the Elect. Jesus only loves the Elect, so He only died for the Elect.
Irresistible Grace: humans cannot resist God. He needs to make an unknowing person -- who was already predetermined as one of the Elect -- into a born-again person so that s/he will then irresistibly choose to repent and trust in Jesus.
Perseverance: if a Calvinist denies the faith prior to dying, then s/he was never a true believer -- never one of the Elect. This is hypocritical when compared to the "T," because ... how can a completely totally depraved person -- who cannot choose the things of God -- act like a Christian for so many years, only to leave the faith completely?
#FollowJesusNotJohnCalvin