ARNOLD'S TEENAGE STEROID TRANSFORMATION! DID ARNOLD HAVE HIS FIRST STEROID CYCLE AT 15? AN ANALYSIS
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2024
- In this video I analyse Kurt Marnul's statement that Arnold's first cycle was at 15 years old using biographical references, past interviews and photographic evidence. Enjoy!
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Arnold has always tweaked his story to whatever makes him look best. Likely learned from Joe Weider. It was no problem in the 70's when the public couldn't check the reality.
I look back on the training books and programs I bought years ago that promised that you too could achieve a Mr. Universe body by following their methods. Later I found out that without the proper genetics and chemicals it wasn't going to happen.
The good news was that even though I wasn't going to win any bodybuilding contests, I was stronger and looked better than 90% of people that never worked out.
You will gain, just not insane gains!
Yeah...millions of young guys actually thought they could also look like that eating mom's good cooking and lifting some weights ..but these guys were in on a secret ..back then only gym junkies knew about dianabol...it hit the market in 1958 so Arnold had access...it's clear here that he hit it around age 18....
Specially proper chemicals. I opened my eyes to this only less than 10 years ago
No doubt about it Arnold was on gear at 15 years old and why would that shock anyone
It’s no different today. I hear 15-18yr olds talking about sarms at my gym, it’s mind boggling
Sad isn't
@@GoldenEraBookworm it most certainly is.
@@GoldenEraBookworm It's sad because the bodybuilders (until very recently) never admitted steroid use. They CAUSED the current situation you say is sad.
@@GoldenEraBookworm It’s even worse knowing sarms have unknown long term side effects. I wish everyone learned from you and others the basic old school principles that are literally impossible to beat😂. It would save a lot of money and lives
@@xquizites-_-4426 truth...but they want the short cut, and I get it...they got no balls to train hard in the first place...so they inject themselves with what their balls lack to produce! I understand professionals taking it, but teenagers just looking to get swole? BS. They should train hard
I like Arnold very much, but that doesn't mean I can't also accept his lack of candor. When he published his massive Encyclopedia of Modern Bodybuilding back in late 1970s and republished in the 1980s, he addresses steroids and bodybuilding. He makes it clear steroid use is very bad and recommends against it, but he doesn't mention that he used them himself, not coming clean on that topic till years later. When he arrived in the US in the mid-1960s it would have been very clear to the community that he was a steroid user. I agree with your comments that the photos from his earliest bodybuilding competitions likely confirm his steroid use. The 1960s bodybuilders who were so dishonest about their steroid use has resulted in a legacy: massive use of bodybuilding drugs by high school age guys and older, most of whom also did not come clean on its use. And it was no secret from 1960 on that there were serious health dangers related to bodybuilding hormone use. Succeeding in competitions was more important than the long term health of guys who wanted to develop their physiques. Arnold is not my idol as bodybuilder. I place Steve higher because he did it all naturally.
Arnold arrived in America in 1968, age 21. He was open about roids, even admitted it in one of Joan Rivers' TV shows. When roid use got illegal in the USA, he (and others) could not be very open about them.
@@williamdrijver4141 It was late 80s or the 90s before he admitted. Pro bodybuilding needed steroid use to be kept in the closet for as long as possible and everyone went along with that.
@Scott Weaver
When you say "Steeve"
I'm assuming you mean Steve Reeves.
Reg Park (along with Reeves)
was a huge idol for Arnold.
I wonder what his take was
on AAS and other PEDS.
He has admitted it mate says he took test dbol and mast! Why not learn something rather than moan about drugs which are a obvious part of pro BB? Why not look at why guys now at 35 are dying and that it’s gone to far? That’s more important arnold has done more than you and your whole family put together achievements wise add mine as well have some respect!
@@thetruthsodealwithit2801 👌
I've trained for over 35 years and basically look like Arnie at age 17 (off session) with just a few years of working out. Of course he was on steroids in his early teens and is probably still on HRT to this day. That said his achievements are still incredible. Almost every bodybuilder was using back then and it's even worse now. I'm sure my plumber is on cycle :-)
I don't agree that telling white lies about steroid use is good for kids. Let the truth be known so that the real nature of bodybuilding is clear to any young person and they can make a clear decision about whether or not this is a path they want to pursue. The sooner a person (and society) knows that steroids are 100% responsible for the look of modern physiques the better.
The bigger problem is naive people who have unrealistic goals, get super enthusiastic about training, get disappointed at the limited results they get naturally and then learn the truth and hop on drugs, entering into the unhealthy and deranged lifestyle that is modern bodybuilding and so-called "fitness".
@ChuggityMuggs1 Scum of the earth? Really? You sound so bitter it is not even fun. Actually you sound much more weak in character and mind with such way of speaking about people you don’t even know. Many steroid users are just normal people. It is not illegal in many countries and even if it was it is not wrong except if you use them to cheat in a competition.
Agreed 💯
Joe Weider was a major factor in giving kids unrealistic goals. Criminal.
Fantastic work and very informative!
Thanks
Arnold had only one goal into mind.. Be number one bodybuilder and escape the hell of life he had in Austria.. His harsh damaged father played big role into that..
So he did whatever it took him to reach that goal.. Plus many of steroids side effects werenot discovered by then..
Later he was smart to quit while young enough and on the top of the game.. He just used bodybuilding as a tool to make the world know about him and he succeeded in that..
He lied ofcourse about his age of first usage.. The minute he joined curt club.. He used them like everyone of them.. But he differed than them by his impressive response to steroids and hard training everyday with volume.. Which can burn out many other men.. But he crossed that barrier and made his dreams come true.. And now he is 75 lean and healthy.. He played it well.. High discipline and planning.
Great
How was his life "hell"?
He had a ton of expensive surgeries not affordable by many... That's why he is still good... You just need to be rich enough to maintain yourself checked by the best docs 😂
Comic books told a story when steroids came around. The adds went from Charles Atlas with a fit looking physique to Arnold selling "Power Bands" with his bicep nearly touching his knuckles when he made a muscle. I was watching an episode of the old game show 'What's My Line' from the 1950s and they had Mr. Universe on. He was a big ol' boy but probably wouldn't even place in a small State contest today.
True
Thank You GEB for this Great Informational Video. You Rock.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Wow what a dense thorough break down this was!! 😲👏
For several years I've always heard it was a page of 13 he started taking it.
I don't own the book, but someone who owns Total recall stated that it's mentioned in there that he took it around that age (or it could be now 15 years old.)
When is the interview with Jerry B. I'm going to come up??!
I don't remember you interviewing him before.
That's one of The last of the Mohicans right there ✊
Now with Rick Drasin gone, he's one of the last ones of that era that speaks in depth of the Golden era bodybuilding culture as well as real science based nutrition supplementation.
His YT channel is definitely worth following /subscribing to 😎✌️
Fantastic work Carlos as always!
I will upload it soon
Love this content, especially when Padilla is brought into the mix.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it
Thank you for looking into this for us.
Love seeing you connect the dots
The comments section on this video is very entertaining...some great comebacks/replies from Carlos...
The dawn of the golden era began with steroids. They started to look super human only to get to the 1990s. To look somewhat 👽. It's a shame. We will never know what they would have Been without them.
Truth
Klasse Beitrag!! Dank Dir, eyeopener, Gruß 👍👍😉
Bitte schön
Good work, Carlos
Just wanted to clear up, at 9:55 your timeframe is wrong for 1965 in the photo on the far right he is 20 yrs old as that comp was in 1967 in Germany. He is not 18.
lee priest was probably 10 when he started. this would account for his 3 foot height fully grown.
🤣🤣🤣
Photos don’t lie look at the difference look in Arnold’s books the photos show a big difference within two to three years the muscle mass increased greatly.
I went from 135 pounds at 19 to 210 at 22 naturally lifting
Golden Era can u please do a vid on building strength without size lean and power full muscle like bruce lee 💯
I did several videos on how Bruce trained...you can also join an Olympic lifting club
I wish I had a way to speak with Danny Padilla. Idk if he's still in NY?
GEB, Do You know if Ed Guiliani is still alive?
I'd like to know...not sure
Goddamn! To have those raging hormones at that age and then throw chemicals into the mix! smh
Deca and D-bol is the "gyno" stack. And Arnold never had gyno.
Dbol and primo was main thing Arnold used
What they used then isn’t associated with gyno. He and Franco were using hard to get primobolin with Dianabol
What Arne achieved with only dianabol
today bodybuilder cant achieve with
latest Groth hormones
That is true and no one can deny that he had the genetics to be the greatest. he was the epitome of hyper responders!
@@GoldenEraBookworm Arnold's Genetics will forever be second to Sergio Olivia. No one, not even today. Has Genetics such as Sergio Olivia had. Truly "The Myth."
I idolized Arnold nearly all my Life. Until I seen and learned about Sergio Olivia. Doesn't matter how many Olympia's anyone have won. A majority of them were rigged. Rigged especially against The Myth aka The GOAT Sergio. Too bad Sergio Jr didn't have his Father's Genetics.
@@4mikeyd I'm the biggest Sergio Oliva fan there is so I have to agree with you 100%. As far as I know Sergio only used Anavar or Winstrol during his career. Arnold on the other hand was known to use Dianabol, Anavar, Winstrol and Deca Durabolin throughout his career. After Weider made him Mr. Olympia he used on average a combination of 3 of those 4 drugs which he changed Off Season to Pre-Contest... Sergio Jr has a lot of his father's genetics for muscle mass but he doesn't have his father's perfect bone structure... Sergio Oliva 1972 was the Greatest Bodybuilding Physique to ever walk this Earth... Forever "the Myth"
@@jimmyj5035 you forgot to mention the most important drug Arnold used, Primobolan !
@@4mikeyd what about Ronnie Coleman Dorian Yates Phil heath then
Thank you for video, but I'm not agree with you. In pictures I see young steroid user, please look at 11:39 in 14yo he have too big arms and chest for natural. Kurts first cycle with injects and dianabol was at 15yo but what was before? Maybe he begin with tablet dianabol at 13yo, and then, after Arnold saw the good results, he decided to go to professional BB Kurt, for trainings. In another words, guys do you have biceps like Arnold at 14yo picture after 10 years of training or not? So my opinion - he is starting early then 15, I think with dianabol and without injects.
Sure, the Austrian kids at Dianabol not candy 🙄
The eyes don't lie. Read the book Arnold: Education of a Bodybuilder, and it is very easy to see he was no way in hell doing gear at 15 pffftt. He was skinny at 6'0 tall and 150 lbs. Even 16 he was still skinny - maybe a hair bigger than 15. It's between 17 and 18 that his progress REALLY took off. I would guess he started between 17 & 18. But 15? C'mon.
you wanna tell me he is 15 here on the left? 8:47 I'm 27 and he looks older than me there. that's impossible without taking something
It’s madness that more time is wasted by people who can’t get in shape or are unhappy on trashing a mans efforts then actually celebrating the fact we got to see a poor man in a poor country get the dream none of us could get! How could he afford steroids at the age 15? And who would inject a child when no one knew how much to take or the side effects? This is only thing I have to respectfully disagree with you about Carlos. I honestly think your wrong he said loads of times he was over 18 when he did and he had the most crazy genetics in the world at the time! Have you read his book about how poor he was and how they had to struggle for food etc? How could someone just afford to give a CHILD a expensive cycle that at the time would have to be prescribed? Remember there was no labs and not many people took them at the time so it would have to be pharma so where would he get it? he said when he was 19 I think that his doctor prescribed him test and dbol plus how would he get it in his old country they had no doctors that gave out hormones? Did this guy get it shipped just for a 15 year old boy? I think that he was 18 not 19 and the book is a year out. That guy that you have on here says things then seems to let you finish it off how you want ! Why would he suddenly remember over 50 years ago in detail then seem so vague? I think he’s jealous and want to make the god of BB bad !!! And if you are saying that his book is not correct you are saying he’s lying.
I think like you said he might of said later for young lifters sakes?!but 15 years old on dbol is insane and you lose everything when you come off it plus you can only stay on for about 8 weeks because your health goes downhill plus all Gains are water so how would
He gain all that muscle at 15-18 then keep it? Pls do a video on his best moments and stuff and do a respect one as he doesn’t deserve this and tbh I’m slightly disappointed but love your channel and know your only searching for the truth. Trouble is top level BB is drug orientated that they are dying by 35 these guys can’t pose for panting and sweating everywhere! I think the old guys looked strong and didn’t want to take mad risks where now there on 15 compounds and just look massive and nothing else they are literally dying to be 300lb surely this is more important on today’s youngsters than “ I think Arnold took dbol at 15” sorry to moan I’m a huge fan and look up to you Carlos but I RESPECT you a lot but don’t think your right!
he got it from a crazy nazi doctor
How many pages in this book of an anabolic steroids
God damn why this channel is not so popular as the other stupid bro science UA-cam channels, man you must find a way to bring more views
It's the algorithm...not suited to intellectual channels like this one
If we observe how quickly Arnold would lose his gains after the competitions it's easy to believe that most of his gaines came from steroids. It's guys like Robbie Robinson that use late and lightly and you can tell by how they're still muscular. Arnold had to take boatloads of steroids to compete. The truth is the guy doesn't know what it's like to train without them.
You know I have been doing really long 2 to 3 hour long workouts and I've never had such great results. I also eat around 7 whole eggs a day with protein powders, creating and around 20 other supplements. Steroids can't work as good as hard work. I'm convinced
They just improve results they don’t work miracles or take away a mans effort!
There's studies showing that men who took steroids but didn't even train grew more muscle tissue than naturals who did train.
2-3 h workouts kill any possible muscle gains. Except if u r on roids
@@panpsyllakis4951 False
No way u need more than 1.25 hrs a day, if training hard.
maybe it was influence of joe weider that arnold lied about his initial age when he started with steroids...
I guess you are a Arnold fan like me.You made a lot videos on him.
Of course I am, who isn't
The way I see the cycle back then was so small compared to nowadays.
Meaning it's the genetics and discipline that take you further, not the huge amount of gears guys take and end up dead.
If Arnold started Rx at age 15 then that explains his actual height of 5'10' since anabolics will inhibit height growth by causing premature closure of the growth plates in the long bones.I like Arnold but I wish he would have waited at lease 5 more years.
or it can make you grow taller
@@heinrichgoth Haven't heard that before.
He’s 6’1”
@@hardcorehouse OK
thx
i dont get how you're a bodybuilder you look a little on the chubby side. got any pose photos
Vince Girónda dijo una vez que Wendy lee intento sacarle información y asuntos sucios de Arnold cosa que se negó
Gues* at the dosage
Read his book
Was roiding at 13
I don't believe that Arnold took steroids at 15 years old and if he did, he had the worse genetics of all time. There is a photo of Arnold in a weight lifting competition and he is 16 years old. He lift 150 pounds overhead. Also I have seen many photos of Arnold in his Book and he was not big enough. Steroids, I trained with a guy that won a Mr Universe Enzo Giuffre and naturally he had a amazing physique but was not massive or strong. All of us in the gym were bigger and lifted more weights. Enzo took steroids and a year latter, he was way bigger and stronger than all of us squatting 500 pounds for reps. My point is if Arnold was on steroids, he would be lifting more than 150 pounds overhead (I did that when I was 15) and would be much bigger. Arnold got massive between 18 and 19 years old. After seeing Jerry maybe he was using diabol because of the lower dose, but not primabolin. Primabolin will put 6kgs of muscle on a anyone without even having to do weight training.
So Arnie loved DIANA
And Prima
You could have called it Arnold's bodybuilding transformation, your title suggests steroids are the only reason he transformed, If Arnold would have just lifted and ate good he would have still transformed,...the guys who don't want to put in the work will always point the finger and blame steroids
One thing I think you're overlooking is the growth and fill-out one experiences between age 15 and mid-twenties. Every man experiences thickening of arm and leg bones and thus growth of muscle tissue between this period. He wasn't finished growing. You're pretty much just showing the difference between small teen muscles and mature adult muscles.
15...PROBABLY YES, BUT MUCH MORE LATER.....NOTHING LIKE A GOOD JUICING.....NOT. AT LEAST NO BUBBLE GUT.
He would have been much shorter if he started on the juice that young no?
no it can make you grow taller
Steroids @ 15= open heart surgery {on life support) @ 49.......May 1997 on the set of BATMAN......
Arnold started bodybuilding age fifteen. (Page 14, "Arnold Education of a Bodybuilder"). So he immediately begun with his first cycle? Total clickbait bs. On photos you can always tell when a builder started gear. Photos of Arnold at age 16 an 17 clearly show him as a natural. Arnold was clean till age 18/19.
Sure, I guess you spoke to all the people I did...who were all there..I don't know shit....did you even watch the video? Or was your ego so precious that you had to comment without watching to feel special?
You have no idea when he started
Dirty Diana -bol lol
😂😂😂arnold schwernegger achieve his dreams 😂😂
don't talk about arnold
Wow Arnold needs a trainer ridiculous, Mike O Hearn is natural ridiculous, Mike O’Hearn the biggest liar on UA-cam.
Ask Arnold hmself if you want to know about him. Don't you have any shame trying to monetize Arnold Schwarzenegger steroid cycle.
Stop being such a blind fan boy. Arnold just as capable of cheating and lying as anybody.
Stop? Don't tell me what I should or shouldn't do. This is my world and here I dominate...don't like it? You know where the door is
fake, they said he is in roids in other age, more younger
Yes, you are a fake
Of course, he was born with needle in his a** . You are just jealous because he was bigger at 14 than you are 😅
1961 he was 16. He could be on this picture still natural. The picture on 1963 and following up is already suspicious.
if he was 1961 still natural, we can say his genetic is good. not outstanding, but good.