REACTION - ARNOLD'S TRAINER SAID STEVE REEVES TAUGHT HIM THE SECRET OF STEROIDS
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- Опубліковано 16 вер 2021
- In this video I share my reaction to the allegation from Kurt Marnul that Steve Reeves taught him the secret of steroids which he then taught Arnold.
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I was in the Bakersfield gyms in the late 1970's. And from that time I always heard from the older guys that Arnold was only using Dianabol(at 15) till way later after he got here in the states. Then he would stack Dianabol and Deca. Only till 30 years later a few said he was taking other injectable.
I remember Kurt mentioning the Steve story before. I also heard of the testosterone story on Reeves. People tend to lie for attention....probably why Kurt can't keep the years in his story constant. Truth is hard to forget but lies are always hard to remember.
Thanks for the doing the research to clear that up.
Thank you. Arnolds cycles were amazingly small. I will reveal all soon
I think that you’re right. Imagine this guy training Arnold who went in to superstardom with while he (Kurt) faded into total obscurity. That would do a number on anyone’s ego.
@@maddysdaddystevem563 Oh ya...for sure.
@@GoldenEraBookworm what was arnold cycles
Very true Arnold was shooting drugs into his body at 15 it's very obvious
I believe Steve Reeves is a natural bodybuilder and made other guys jealous.
So my neighbor, who is in his 90s trained at the Santa Monica Muscle Beach in the 50s. He knew Reeves there and also ran into him later on in Italy filming movies. He was adamant that Reeves was natural during his competitive years. This guy rented a room from Joe Gold and shared said room with Zabo Kozewski, so he was pretty deep in the scene, and he said he never heard of steroids until around 1960. (He said all the top guys were on them soon after though. He said he heard through the grapevine that later in life, Reeves started taking Steroids to try to keep up with the younger guys, but this was second hand info.
Hi Nathan....by the time steroids came out in the 60s, many lifters were jealous of Reeves and his movie career. What happens typically when someone reaches top? There is always that one angry hater that wants to take them down....pure jealousy
@@GoldenEraBookworm I get that. But I don't think that's what's going on here. My neighbor was adamant that Reeves was clean during his competition years, and his movie career as well. I think this would have been more of a trt as he got older kind of thing. I could try to get a better timeline, but ultimately the takeaway here is that Reeves was clean during the period of his life we're interested in, and likely wouldn't have even had the opportunity to take anything till around 1960.
@@GoldenEraBookworm yes ,He never looked like his competition years after his movies,Just fit and once you have the size ,Easy to maintain,Believe you are right Carlos ,just Jealousy
@@retrobilly1719 Yeah. Specially since he did got a lot smaller on his later movies after both Hercules, it's really hard for me to imagine he was ever on the juice at some point of his life.
@@fernandomaron87 Yes Agree,Also keep in mind he injured his Shoulder filming Morgan The Pirate (read this in MTI in the 70’s) and used pulleys and lighter weights plus his power walks and horse back riding as his exercise,Just kept fit .and yes,he was downsized even more after the Hercules Movies,Just had that great Genetic Structure & Shape
I wholeheartedly believe Steve was natural. Some people can't accept that they look nowhere as good as someone not enhanced so they just want to trash others.
Truth
Steve’s look is definitely achievable naturally, though you’d probably need to be quite genetically gifted.
Agreed. I always thought that Steve Reeves had one one of the best physiques of any professional bodybuilder in history. He had a great, classic natural build that didn't look like some freakish monster/ mutant like a lot of these guys that are juiced up out of their minds. Like yourself, I believe Steve was natural and never took anything.
Nowadays, I honestly believe that almost every professional bodybuilder is on steroids.
it is evident that steve reeves is the pinnacle of classical body building, this is a most difficult feat to achieve in his physique lifestyle knowledge, he breathed and pumped classicality with physical and mental struggle,
on the contrary to claim that he was on steroids is a most easy path
Yes!! Easy to blame!
Envy is a powerful force.
Steve Reeves was so far ahead of his time in his approach to training and so well built that he must have been hated & envied by many. As a natural bodybuilder having tried many of Reeves "Schedules" I am convinced that he was a natural bodybuilder who believed in hard work and living & eating cleanly.
Great job!
Thanks
I think you’re right. To this day, people are jealous of Reeves genetics, his good looks and his success. I’m jealous too! When Reeves died, Reg Park admitted as much. He said that they all hated Reeves. “Not because he wasn’t a nice guy. He was very nice, but he had his pick of beautiful women and there were none left for us”.
I hope so
Steve was poor and struggling .lifted stones and rode bicycle .trained his calves three times day .worked as a porter carrying boxes he worked hard .and his parents died early .
Why do folks try to drag good people down after they have passed away
What a load of crap!
Time to call "More Plates More Dates"
@@ConanTheCimmerian Be a good show and bring deserved notice to Bookworm.
As a drug-free bodybuilder myself who have been accused of Steroids on more occasions than i could remember, i say Steve Reeves was natural. I mean the way he looked like at 15 is a strong indication, and for sure there was nothing he could have taken at that point in time. We all respond differently to weight resistance training, and he just happened to be one of those whose body shapes up fast. In addition he was gifted with a great bone structure, narrow hips to wide shoulders - he could more than likely thank his parents for that.
@@devinreese7704 actually he was smaller than his competing years,Camera angles in movies achieve a lot,Also you are judging this bases on a movie and old black and white pics of him when he competed ,He was more muscular in his competition days
Very true ! I was a natural Bodybuilder in the early 80’s competed and placed against the roid crowd in Local and regional shows,I was a lean 215-220 before cutting down and came in at about 195 # -200# very defined at 6’1” .Had good genetics & structure,But Reeves genetics outstanding,the pics of him at 15 prove that,Same proportions,Great Natural legs wide Shoulders & small waist and defined ,He just got bigger , but not excessively so.He also knew a lot about diet and trained hard & smart,Way ahead of his time
does steve reeve physique look like a physique that is roided?
If you think Reeves was all natural then you don't know bodybuilding that guy was a juicer and he was a freak at protecting his legend star by lying thru his teeth about his addiction to roids. Reeves was ashamed when people in the know knew he was a cheater with steroids
@@bubbahubba5009 ok then why was he a juicer? he didn't look freaky plus who even is natural for u?
6'1", 212 lbs, lean, but not ripped, doesn't require drugs.
a man with great genetics and structure, at 6'1", can weigh 215 lbs at 10+ bodyfat... enough said
allow to me add, don't have anywhere near Mr Reeves genetics, but we have the same name, and we are the same height.... at 10% bodyfat I'm around 204lbs... no ways I can't believe Reeves in his prime couldn't get to 215lbs at around 10% bodyfat
Just look at Steve Reeves at 16 years old! I will always believe Steve was natty.
Good point
Even at 15!
Amen, the blue print was there! To his credit, he persisted and attained the then pinnacle of the sport. Furthermore, it is written in Reeves biography that his Father was a man of awesome genetics and strength.
Carlos very detailed research and rebuttal! I know that took some time to research all those dates and stories.Thank you job well done!I was saddened too by all the comments jumping on the Reeves was not natural bandwagon without even doing the slightest research! Steve was my inspiration for starting weight training after I saw his Hercules Movie! We should recognize his influence on thousands of young men who wanted to train hard develop their bodies and live a healthy lifestyle!
Thank you Richard. It took me close to a week to edit the video, but all that knowledge was in my head...to find everything again though to not misquote Reeves, who I have the highest respect for, was daunting and exhaustive ...the next video will be even more revealing
Steve reeves simply wasn't big enough to be on steroids, and I mean that in the most respectful way. I purchased one of his bodybuilding books in my forties after years of struggling to make gains as a natural body builder. I did the same workout that reeves did for his competition and ate the same diet. Low and behold I got 17 inch arms, in my forties. Now considering Steve was a young man when he competed, there is no question that on his workout routine with his awesome genetics that he could gain the physique that he did. Furthermore he could have got bigger if he had continued. Imagine his routine on steroids. He would have been massive. There's no way reeves was on gear. Not possible, his lines were too clean and the sizes that he obtained were totally achievable for a natural on such an awesome workout routine and diet. Get over it people, he was the best.
Hey silly, steroids do not necessarily make people big. It depends on steroid type, dosage and on genetics, training and diet. Pretty much every top level pro bike marathon rider uses steroids. They are not big. Strength yes.... big size, nah.
@@philosopher0076 But the assumption would be a competitive bodybuilder would be using them to become bigger...
AMEN!!
@@philosopher0076 steroids weren't out when most of his early pictures were taken. Silly.
The best
Steroids or not his structure and insertions are god tier, he was gona have a good physique no matter what as long he trained hard and kept an eye for aesthetics. Personally I think he was natty but even if he did 1 small cycle it wouldnt be discouraging for me
Yep. His greatest gift was his skeletal and insertion structure. I think in a couple of his shows he dabled in steroids somewhat because you can see a big jump up in his physique in a couple of shows and then he would melt back down to that flat, natty look right after in pics. But he definitely didn't use a lot.
@@Simon-talks Have you ever heard of a pump? even nattys get them
Thank you for setting the record straight! Any logical thinking would instantly refute most of these type of false claims. Unfortunately it seems to be an all too prevalent disfunction these days to choose to believe anything negative or disparaging about anybody that has accomplished anything of note in order that the hearer feel somehow vindicated for their own shortcomings. Is essence it appears that defamation and murder of another's character is the main sport these folks choose to participate in. Please continue to do what you do. Spreading accurate, logical and well documented information, though it may not completely stamp out all the misinformation, is the most potent antidote to all of the rumor mongers out there.
Great job standing up for the truth! Steve is a thorn in the eyes for some bodybuilder, including Arnold. He was a natural lifter and achieved tremendous status. The sport promoted afterwards shifted and large abuses of anabolics took place. If Steve would be the spokesman or role model, other bodybuilder would get into a bad light (as many used drugs) and promoting all this shakes would be out of trend. Not a good way to make money.
primobolan wasn't developed until the mid to late 1960's. In 1958, with the help of Dr. Ziegler, the release of the first batches of Methandrostenolone under the trade name Dianabol were created. But this guy learned all about steroids from Steeve Reeves.... by 1958. Steeve reeves had already been bodybuilding and weightlifting since high school and was winning bodybuilding shows and at the very top by the 1940's before these steroids even existed. by the time Dianabol was around and bodybuilders were taking cycles Steeve had already played in films like hercules and in acting roles before that for his physique. Steve was against steroids as he saw them coming out, but of course he had heard about them and knew what was going on as he was getting older. So, when he says that he "learned about steroids from Steeve" he means that he heard about it in general for the first time when talking with Steeve. Steeve did his formative years of lifting and built himself into who he was for his roles and to win shows prior to steroids that we have today even existing.
Testosterone came out in 1938.
@@stu3775 It's like -the Emperor's new clothes- with most people.
Bollox to the idiots that think Steve Reeves took steroids ,y a never will change their minds and one thing that they never bother to do research on is the weights that Reeves used in his workout`s ,he never used massive heavy weights on any exercise ,his incline Dumbbell press was only 110 lb and his lat pulldown`s were only 170 lb and his Dumbbell rows were only 60 lb and his incline curls were 70 lb for his first set and then refucing the weight on each set going no lighter than 50 lb .For his Squats to parallel he did upto 400 lb witch any natural Bodybuilder can achieve after a few years training and his Calf Raises were 400 lb so no big deal there either when you consider Reg Park used upto 1000 lb .Carlos you did very good research and as i have read Steve Reeves books and his comments about steroids i agree that he never needed them and he never looked bloated so once again Round Ones to the unbelievers
I’m 58 yrs.Old and competed in the early 80’s placing in Local & Regional Contests, I was 6’1” and weighed about 195-200# Natural,Genetics were good ,
Reeves Genetics we’re outstanding,Just Look at pics of him at 15-16yrs of age same perfect proportions ,got bigger but not excessively so,He weighed 212#,elite genetics and hard work,Definitely attainable naturally
Great video. Interesting reading all these opinions, yes he took steroids no he didn't etc. My father idolised Steve and subsequently I knew of him quite early in my life (I'm 50 now). I recall a photo of Steve at 16 and I was blown away. I was weight training since age 13 and I wasn't even close to Steve in that pic. His genetics must have been outstanding. Steve was also a very handsome man and I can imagine a lot of folks being jealous of him. Broad shouldered, slim waist, 6'1...like a Greek statue.
It's a real shame how quick we are to judge others and disrespect them. The only person who truly knows about Steve is Steve and sadly he has left us. If Steve said he didn't take steroids, then we should take that as truth unless there is proof to the contrary. Proof is not Joe Bloggs who doesn't have blessed genetics and would not be able to achieve similar results to Steve.
This is heavy man. Thanks for all your work Carlos.
Thanks man....more to come soon
!!Agree With You About This One!
Great research! I really appreciate you getting his claims. Truthfully, I don’t know much about Reeves or the silver era in general. So, I didn’t know what to make of Kurt’s claims. Your videos are my silver era education. Did Kurt have any comments on Big Foot or the Loch Ness Monster?
Lol, no...there was a Monster in Graz Austria who is now in America though 😆
Steve Reeves was a man of his word if he says he did not receive or take antibiotic steroids he did not. He was 100% against it. He was upset with how the bodybuilders are turning out today. All bulk no definition. Back in the day a man's word meant something and you can count on Steve's guaranteed my dad was a bodybuilder he grew up with him had all the magazines and all that.
reminds me of the oliver stone movie 'the doors', in which that band's singer was inaccurately portrayed as a full blown lunatic when every scene of the film can be proven false; and yet just because a well known director wanted to make egregious fantasy celluloid, everyone seemed to side with him and draw incorrect conclusions.
I think he meant Bill Pearl because he said 1958. Reeves was not competing in 1958.
Commander Watchman Bill Pearl does not look like Steve Reeves ,he is a Native American Indian and has a different Physique altogether . Kurt Marul is Bleedin Bullshitter and that`s it
@@igorstein5616 looks has nothing to do with this matter. Google Bill Pearl 1958 steroids.
Thanks for your wit, problem solving and willingness to confront BS!
You're welcome
I think there is nothing wrong with taking testosterone past a certain age under doctor supervision. Might keep you healthy and feeling great.
I read in a an muscle mag international interview that Reeves took Knox gelatin and brewers yeast. I can't recall anything else about this diet cos I read the interview 29 years ago. I don't have the magazine anymore but I also remembered he did full body workouts lasting 2 hours Monday Wednesday and Friday. I also remember he ate a varied dietthat included f fruits and vegetables. I also know if I try and do full body workouts lasting 2 hours I can't do it. But I might try it today. Im gonna do 3 hours. 15 sets per body part. Why not yesterday it took me 2 and a half hours to get my first job in the taxi. I could of been training all that time. I ordered some gym equipment due to the lockdown so I'm having good workouts. My room mate complain cos I grunt too much, but he doesnt understand that a hard workout calls for hard grunts.
Go for it!!
If full body recommend 8-12 sets per body part ,as it is very taxing and could lead to overtraining if doing full body
I think it was 1983 I bought the same copy with Steve Reeves on the cover I say you never know what the truth is people say different answers about the same question over time I think the truth is forever lost
Thank you for the video and the time spent unpacking the facts! It's interesting to me how easily a person is believed to be guilty in our world until they can prove themselves innocent. In this case, all we can do is take Steve on his word. Therefore, it's a choice, you either do or you don't believe what he said because he is no longer with us. Furthermore, it seems that a certain jealousy (conscious or unconscious) begets people to create stories to undermine someone else's credibility when having attained something beyond their own personal limitations. In my best attempt to be objective, I subjectively conclude : "Steve's genetics were one of his God given gifts that he accepted and made the most out of in his life... God bless him / God be praised !"
It's very unlikely Steve Reeves took anabolic steroids. His muscular look didn't look excessive and his physique had this natural flow and proportion to it. There was no grossly enlarged muscles that makes me think he used performance enhancement drugs.
People need to realise that his bone structure was something you may have never come across in your lifetime. Very long clavicles, large ribcage and a small waist and hips. His bone structure was ideal to pack on huge amounts of muscle and look even more impressive. The wider the upper body frame, the more space there is to pack on muscle.
You said it all!
Also will there be a part two where you ask him about Arnold? It is said that Arnold was on Dianabol from age 15...
As a bodybuilder, people trash Steve Reeves out of jealousy and they can never achieve what he did in life!
Second, Reeves didn't have the stomach bloat or swelling, puffiness, and vascularity that are typical markers of steroids. So, if he did any, it was a tiny dosage. Negligible.
Thats usually associated with using GH or insulin.
Anavar wasn't available back then 😁
Frank Zane will never admit taking steroids. In his interviews he only took amino acids and vitamins. I guess that is how he got the gym nickname"The Chemist".
My dad in 1958 knew Steve reeves anabolic cycling
Germanic people didn’t need an American to learn about steroids.
Arnold definitely took steroids
Reeves must have eaten right and trained like a madman for 8 weeks before a contest. A person with exceptional muscle recovery gene can get pretty impressive naturally if they do everything perfectly.
you need to take into account steves amazing genetics,His achievement was attainable without steroids and find this a real insult to the great man who has inspired me more than any other bodybuilder.
There are several natural lifters who are a similar size to Steve Reeves. These guys how took drugs just say that Steve also took drugs because they failed to build a physique on par with Steve Reeves naturally. Also the idea that Steve had access to these drugs that where very new at the time is just asinine.
You can just look at him and see he was natural. The people on steroids have a completely different appearance. People say things like this because they are jealous.
These folks are trying to tarnish Steve’s reputation
This was your best video every!
Thank you.
Thank you
geb- that's right, now that you bring up about the article in steeve reeve's "building the classic physique" book, i completely forgot about that, i have that book, and i have read it from front to back, and right now, i just looked it up that you are reading aloud, yes, i remember now, steve did mention this in his book, duh, i'm getting old, forgetting stuff all the time.
on the other hand, that dr. you mentioned,, hmm. interesting. quite possible that could happen but we will never know, but i doubt it.
since there were no cell phones back then, i did hear about reeves teaching kurt about dbol and primo while talking thru a can with wax covered string going all the way to kurts house in europe.
geb- almost forgot,,, thanks for the video. this video series had to be exhaustive, so thank you for all your efforts and i am sure steve is thanking you too. maybe steve shipped some stone tablets to kurt with dbol instructions. carrier pigeon?? lol.
Interestingly Sergio Oliva has talked about Reeves and steroid use. Unfortunately we’ll never know for sure, and doesn’t stop us trying to achieve as much as we can naturally
Only 56k subscribers for this channel?thats crazy this channel should have a million with this golden information and content this channel brings.💯nice content keep it coming GBW💯💪
Thank you
@@GoldenEraBookworm welcome 💪
It's to informative and most people are into ignorance...
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Carlos do you know if NSP has sellers in EU and especially Greece ?
I am supposed to distribute sooner or later
Great work man! Very detailed stuff!
I try to be as detailed as possible
Reeves wasn’t that big. He looked natural.
Agree 100%
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines looks very natural especially with that horizontally developed chest the way nature intended a mans chest to look he did look incredible ofcourse not saying he doesn’t
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines there is one beach photo when his mass can be compared to Arnold. Just a coincidence)
@@vladimiralexandrovich3295 can you post a link to that photo?
If Reeves stood next to u...u might run out of embarrassment!
If the guy told one lie everything he said is discredited.
Kurt Marnul?! So where is the prove from his side? All what we know is that Steve Reeves was always against Steroids and at his active time the bodybuilding elite didnt use such stuff. What we know is that Marnul is loyal to Arnold and Arnold was over decades on Steroids. Steve says himself in this interview in your movie.
Dude you’re on UA-cam! Half the people watching your content can barely read or spell their own name. You shouldn’t expect anything pure idiocy to pop up in your comments. That being said, I really appreciate your intellectual commentary and videos.
You said it. I am an intellectual and academic on UA-cam ...good luck to me
lol, okay
Mr. Marnul is confused! in another interview he had talked about 1952 and not 1958!
Probably just jealous. Steve Reeves was a Natural Bodybuilder. His genetics were his advantage. I Never took any of that stuff but followed Steve Reeves workout from the time I was 13 to 17. I ended up with an identical body as Steve Reeves but am only 5'7" tall so I stayed at 185 to look longer and armor plated. Living proof you don't need the Steroids. Just 5 of my Mom's roasted chicken breasts daily. At 17 years old I had 18 inch long biceps with horseshoe triceps, 52" flat wide armored chest. 28" waist, 14" forearms, 17" diamond calves 23" defined thighs, 17" long neck highly defined. Lats looked like wings of powerful muscle with high definition. Clavicle covered with muscle. I once did 1,000 strict,straight pushups In front of 5 witnesses but quit at 1,000 cause I was getting bored. Hey! I was 17. Could have kept going but didn't see the point. I NEVER even took protein powder and Still achieved a classic Steve Reeves physique. And O yes I did not have Steve Reeves genetic advantage. I started as a weak, sickly little boy and found the will to persevere into a strong healthy, powerful man. I owe my wonderful life to Steve Reeves.
Can’t get over how many people try so hard to discredit Reeves. He won his first significant competitions in 1947-8 of course he wasn’t on steroids, the US and most of the world didn’t have steroids until the introduction of dianabol in 1958 and even then it wasn’t until a few years later that they started being used a lot in the bodybuilding community. Bodybuilding was very minor activity in the 40s, yet some people speak as if they had access to the latest drug research labs around the world, pure jealousy.
Exactamente
Good job, I have always known everything you talked about in this video because like you I did my research and had to know after I read about this in The Unauthorized Biography of Arnold Schwarzenegger by Wendy Leigh.
This man Reeves was a marvel. His appearance alone caused accidents and he had crowds following him along the beach!!! They say photos did not do him justice, u had to see him in person. Hollywood elite refused to take photos with him. He, in my opinion, would destroy any bodybuilder today!!! People really just don't understand how this man looked, your jaw would hit the floor!!! Jealous people lie! Reeves was the envy of millions. Many hated him because of his beauty. He built his legendary physique by great intelligence and hard work!!!
So you are saying Cary Grant and Clark Gable weren't gonna be seen shaking hands with Hercules in the Flesh
@@jacoblocklear6809 Yes indeed...they wanted nothing to do with Hercules!!! 😂
I have 35 years experience in bodybuilding and would like to ad that Nandrolone was syncised in 1950 the combination of nandrolone and testosterone produced huge muscle grains to bodybuilders in the 1950's in 1959 the drug was modified and called NPP and in 1962 it was called nandrolone decanoate the biggest breakthrough in bodybuilding was the invention of oxymetholone 1959 combined with testosterone people made enormous grains some of the photos of steve Reeves from big to small to big again is extremely suspect don't believe that in natural training if you stop for a month your going to lose size that took years of hard work to build just look at some of the pro's now after the discontinuation of steroids from all my years experimenting with steroids looking at his pictures it was very likely he was taking testosterone in the 1940's
Methyl test was available...it was not alkalated so you'd have to take it around the clock....but yes it was available...German soldiers were on steroids in WW2.
Interesting Reg park was married in 1952 and won Mr. Universe in 1958.
Sounds like nonsense. Steve does not look juiced at all. He wasn't that big or even have freaky musculature. He simply had perfect aesthetics. You don't get that from gear. Is it POSSIBLE he took a steroid at some point -- sure. John Grimick decided to give dianabol a try and he took one tablet a day for a week and then stopped because claimed it didn't do anything. lol. So...there's that.
Thankyou. The truth remains. Steve was natural all the way. ✅
So the takeaway message is to take a pinch of salt with certain parts of Marnul's account....just as well he isn't a witness in a court trial as his evidence would be discredited quite easily.
Correct
Steve Reeves was a natural bodybuilder that developed a great physique for his time.
Testosterone came out in 1938.
@@stu3775 - So what? Proves nothing.
@@CARPB147 Reeves seemed natural to me.
For any time
Merci for your videos: you are indeed inspring in showung true information about bodybuidling and to crush false allegations of steroid use of natural known bodybuiders when seen on the internet.
Steve reeves taught him nothing about steroids as Steve was before che drug era
ITS ABSOLUTELY TRUE AND REEVES TOOK THEM TOO WHEN HE RETURNED FROM GERMANY.
hi, I'm more a boxer than bodybuilder but I had picked up that book you showed at a yard sale and I did know who Reeves was through his Hercules movies. Drug use is common in boxing too as you can see by the recent VADA busts but I don't think as much as used by bodybuilders. I have other old books (including medical books given to me) and although they did use testosterone preparations back in the 40's and 50's in looking at the medical books they really didn't connect the use of large doses of testosterone with building muscle, their only interest if it was used at all, was to bring it to a normal level in people with below normal levels. Reeves certainly doesn't show any sign of estrogen rebound, nor do any of the other old time bodybuilders, which would have been a common effect of large doses. I just don't see any evidence that anyone used them in any amount.
I am reading his book and going to perform his routine tonight
Stuff still available, in 40s. Probably tried like all, but regardless, still best bodybuilder of all time. If anything it's only TEST,
Hi bookworm I would like to point out something which you can Google if you wish to which years were the golden age of steroid chemistry you will find this pretty interesting stay safe and healthy
Nice research
It's funny some remarks were made when Steve was alive and he kept repeating he never took steroids
Then after his death everyone kept saying that he took steroids
Like you said steroids wasn't invented till 50's
And most of the videos I've picked up over the years it was only prescribed by doctors in small dosage to bodybuilders in the 50's
And the stories go that bodybuilders didn't think it made any difference
Hence why a lot of never took the steroids in the first place
They had Testosterone readily available by prescription
Good job draining the swamp there.
Question: where do you get those bookends?
Bookends? Sorry mate, what do you mean?
@@GoldenEraBookworm on the bookshelves behind you are statuettes, where did you get them?
@@leepretorius4869 one is a replica of The Farnese Hercules from Greece, another is a museum replica of Michaelangelo's David from Florence...they are not necessarily bookends, just small replicas of famous physique sculptures...I have an interest in the art that inspired bodybuilding
@@GoldenEraBookworm I’ve always wanted those but no idea who would sell them?
@@leepretorius4869 you have to go to these countries to buy them...china sells cheap and ugly copies, I like the ones from Europe
Good video - you can just look at pictures of Steve's physique and tell he wasn't using anything. Natural all the way.
I love Steve Reeves - and have his book: " Building the Classic Physique - the Natural Way". But - I've remained open to the big question - Natty or Not. Ultimately, I'll add these thoughts for others to ponder: 1st - Seems clear synthetic "test" was around in the 40ies. 2nd - If it was - than Steve likely competed against those who "took" yet he nevertheless won naturally - hmmm - that is gifted? 3rd - I think "test" was likely at first thought of as something akin to a new wonder vitamin - something that would enhance male virility - no known side effects at that time - with a huge market profit potential. Also, Joe Weider saw young industry potential via competitions and magazine sales - selling a fit, wholesome lifestyle - ( stigmatism of "junkie" would not sell - and doesn't to this day.) 4th - there are articles that are around "the net" (though difficult to find) that indicate that early York Barbell owner, Bob Hoffman and Dr. John Ziegler were proponents of a supplement which was referred to simply as "the little pink pill". Remember - York was where Reeves famously put on 19 pounds of muscle in 3 weeks prior to winning the 1950 Mr. Universe competition in London. 5th - married 3 times - Reeves never had children - its sheer speculation, but perhaps this was a side effect yet known that haunted Steve. (Having children in the 50ies was very popular in America.) 6th - Steve looked amazing till his death - however, it should be known that Steve tragically died of a blood clot at age 74. Within the last few years Harvard University (amongst many others over some decades) have indicated that "test" is known to cause "thickening of the blood". Of course, we've seen many recent deaths in the body building community - often attributed to clotting or heart issues. So - I'm saying that perhaps these issues caught up to Steve later in life - unwittingly a victim. So - there you have it - my two cents. Ultimately, I will always consider Steve Reeves (Natty or Not - and I do hope not) the greatest ever - the symmetry is nonpareil. (Honorable mention to Lee Haney, Bob Paris, Serge Nubret) I've said a mouth full here - but ultimately, I only want to get to a place where we can discuss the truth - because its my hope that we do find a use for PEDs that are truly a-bilitating, not debilitating. (Special thanks to people like the "Anabolic Doc" that take this subject scientifically face-on - openly and with revealing heartfelt honesty!)
I also think it should be noted the amount of test that the guys in the 40s were taking. Was it only 50 mg a week, was it 300 mg a week, or even more?
Kurt was talking about Steve Revis. His gardener...
Lol
In the seventies every gum in the world was using dianabol .there was a revolution in bodybuilding .in the sixty and seventies
Nice one young man, be bloody fair sly looks like Steve reeves in the thumbnail!!
Sly?
@@GoldenEraBookworm well with my eyes he do
@@davidjones6470 lol
Well dne for doing the research you DONE....
Mamul's a liar, & Sergio was just believing Mamul.
Reg Park was Arnie's idol, so possibly him too. Both Reeves and Park were early adopters of #Dianabol in the late '50s (Reeves and Park were natural when they won #MrUniverse in `50 & `51, respectively - fatso Reeves robbing Park in 1950 LOL).
Reg Park était aussi gros qu'arnold et concourant avec lui et se disait natty.
@goatlps= BYOL = Bring Your Own Lies
“steroid chemist and an entrepreneur, Percy Julian ingeniously figured out how to synthesize important medicinal compounds from abundant plant sources, making them more affordable to mass-produce. In the 1930s chemists recognized the structural similarity of a large group of natural substances-the steroids” - internet source
Kurt Marnul was making things up to gain 15 minutes of fame!
Excellent 🕵 detective work GEBW. Looks like he just wanted to damage Steve Reeves reputation and legacy.
i can appreciate the knowledge of the old-timer legends such as marnul, but i have to be honest. when you lie, you lie. end of story.
whether steve reeves was on steroids or not, i do not care because i know for a fact that reeves was genetically blessed out of the gate and i have no doubts he obtained his physique naturally. what he did later on in his years surrounding movies and bulking up is none of my business, we know the movie industry is dirty.
True....but come on...he wasn't on roids in the movies...he was soft and not in his competitive shape, hard and muscular....natural 100%
I think it's a possibility that kurt may have mistaken reeves for one of the other American bodybuilders traveling thorough europe who also played hercules. Perhaps lou digni ( billed as mark forrest) or brad harris. Both are American actors and both played hercules. Also theres gordon Scott, a friend of reeves known for playing tarzan, but he also did a number of sword and sorcery movies such as goliath vs the vampires etc. All of these guys had similar builds, were american, and played hercules or hercules type characters in mostly Italian made sword and sandle ( pepulm genre) movies. Due to kurt being german and the language differences he may have gotten reeves mixed up with another famous american muscle man.
@@robhinson7801 it's possible
@@GoldenEraBookworm yes he looked good ,but not like his competition days ,Also I read he hiked & skied and would train with just an incline bench and adjustable dumbbells up to 90# each Dumbbell .I read all these articles in MTI in the late 70’s ,Reeves was interviewed a lot,With his genetics , He was able to keep the right amount of size for the movies on the above program.I don’t understand the people who can’t see this and constantly bring up drugs.Some people have the genetics some don’t,Just a fact of life.
The guy is 91! He's getting called out of the blue being asked to recall information from over 60 years ago!! Maybe he's off by a few years on the year. I'd cut him at least a little slack. I'm less than half his age and have trouble recalling exact years to certain things only 20yrs ago
Did you watch the video? He made the same claims over 30 years ago
@@GoldenEraBookworm i don't get it why he would lie in his 90s
@@URWELCOME I don't know, why did he lie in his 60s?? He claimed the same thing when Reeves was alive, and Reeves wrote in his biography that it was a complete lie, and I agree...Reeves was never 8n Europe during these times
Steve took B12 shots that was it
Remember Kurt is an old man so he may be suffering from mild dementia which can effect someones mind.
With mild dementia, a person can appear perfectly coherant in speech, but yet still suffer from false memory syndrome or some other forms of cognitive malfunction which presents itself with mild symptoms.
A persons speech is not always affected.
But i agree that every claim should be fact checked for authenticity regardless of the individual making the claim.
That includes ARNOLD!
Testosterone was around during the war
Best bodybuilding channel.
Thank you
Very interesting!
Thanks
I'm not defending this guy but I think one of the challenges here is memory. Try and remember what you did 20 years ago, its difficult to say the least, what about 30, 40 or 50 years ago?
I know a lot of people in bodybuilding like to fabricate stories but we must also remember that its difficult to remember that far back. So unless you have someone who is a great diary writer there is a lot of errors in memory. It's easy not only to forget memories but also to mix up details and think mr x told you something when actually mr y said something.
Also regarding Steeve Reeves taking steroids, I think he built his physique naturally, however, like many bodybuilders he might have experimented for a month or two and like many bodybuilders he might have not been happy with the bloaty results caused by them. This would explain that Steeve might have tried them and also found them disagreeable, which would add to his later comments that steroids are a waste.
Also please relate this to nick from nicks strength and power. He really needs to here what you're saying about reeves.
Correction....I did NOT say it...Kurt Marnul did
Was +Primo even around in 1958??????
No -- it didn't appear until 1962.
I don't buy that reeves was on steroids. His physique was and is attainable without steroids. He had really good genetics to boot. 18 inch arms is easily attainable and what made his physique exceptional was his 55 inch chest but again, very attainable with good back and lat development combined with dumbbell pullovers to expand the chest. He also did most of his upper body work with a wide grip which favors width over depth. Steroids existed in his time but I see nothing about his physique that suggests it wasn't natural.
Of course there is a lot of BS in Kurt's story. If a guy will lie about one thing, he will lie about anything.
There are photos of a genetically gifted Reeves at age 16 during his first year of training in 1942 and after his first win at age 20 in 1946.
There are also photos of Reeves after other big wins in the the late 40s and his final win in 1950 when he became Mr. Universe. Based on his photos and the historical timeline of common steroid use in in the USA, it's logical to believe that his progression was totally natural.
However, it is VERY unlikely that Reeves was buying and using steroids in the late 40s, as though he were growing up in the 70s or 80s, simply because steroids existed in the 40s.
That's like saying that most young, 20 something musicians in the late 40s were probably dropping acid, because LSD was discovered in 1938 and it was being used in psychological research in by the late 40s.
Sorry, but taking leaps of logic and ignoring cultural history doesn't make a theory more believable. Just because steroids existed in the 40s, it doesn't mean that every kid was buying them at the local soda shop from the local soda jerk/steroid dealer. 😄
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Primo once a week???? I don't know
Although I haven't watched your interview video with the man who made those statements about Steve Reeves, I am listening to you here and your statements make more sense that that man who made those claims. I like the way you do thorough research on information to set the record straight, and I agree with your statements as you state the facts. Since Reeves said he was natural then I believe him. People make all kinds of claims, but facts and common sense make a better case for the truth. Thank you for saying it like it is.
Kurt is giving fake news Steve never used steroids .nor recommend it .don't spoil his integrity .just shit talk .if he did he would be bigger like Zane or reg parks .