9mm vs 38 Special for concealed carry

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  • A look at the pros and cons of the S&W 642 Airweight (.38 special) and the Kahr PM9 (a 9mm semiautomatic). Both are good options for EDC.
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  • @WelshWidgetMan2O1O
    @WelshWidgetMan2O1O 9 років тому +34

    People can say what they want about the ol' .38 Special cartridge but for many years that was my go-to cartridge for pretty much everything in terms of both my service revolver and for concealed carry. Many years ago I worked as a security officer in south Florida and the State of Florida mandated that all armed security officers had to carry a 4-inch .38 Special revolver. Sadly, you couldn't use a .357 Magnum loaded with .38 Special cartridges. It absolutely HAD to be a .38 Special revolver. No more, no less. Most armed security officers opted to carry a blued or nickel S&W model 10 or the stainless steel model 64 and because of this I got to know the .38 cartridge VERY well over the ten years I was a "rent-a-cop". Although we only had to qualify once a year, I was on the range at least once per month because I enjoyed shooting so much, and I really loved the .38 Special cartridge and it served me well over the years. I've been out of the business for many years now but today I understand things are different and Florida later changed what they allow guards to carry as far as types of handguns and caliber(s). Although I don't get to the range like I once did, I still enjoy shooting when I can but as a mere private citizen still I enjoy shooting .38 Special's through my old 4" S&W model 586 and it's a round I still love to fire when I get the chance. Some may scoff at the .38 for defense purposes but as someone who carried one "on the job" for ten years I can attest the .38 Special is still a viable cartridge for defense purposes because it's available in such a wide variety of bullet types and rated strengths. I'm equally fond of the 9mm, and just like the .38 Special, it too is available in a wide variety of bullet type and strength levels up through +P+ ratings, making it a very versatile cartridge still today :)

    • @jamesnevitt3400
      @jamesnevitt3400 4 роки тому +1

      WelshWidgetMan2O1O 38 special been dropping bad guys since the cowboy days.

  • @dakrt82
    @dakrt82 7 років тому +119

    I prefer carrying a revolver. I have a Smith and Wesson model 442 .38 special. Shoots +P rounds. Doesn't have the capacity of a semi auto but I like how easily conceals in my pocket in a pocket holster. I can walk around without a shirt on in the summer and you'd never know I had a gun on me. Takes up about as much space as a cell phone. Also it's easy to shoot. It's double action so you just draw and shoot. Goes bang every time.

    • @thenontacticool9848
      @thenontacticool9848 6 років тому +13

      James Thompson my fav option too. these modern high cap plastic toys are ugly uave no heart or guts to them. also I like the contour of my 642 airweight and I love the .357 variations. most versatile set of handgun cartridges ever (without potential over penetration like a 44spl/mag or 45/454 cas). too many fools think they need 15 round mags carrying one in the gun and 4 more on the belt. thinking they'll be attacked by zombies terrorists or mafia by the hundreds. sorry boondock saints was a movie 1 guy isn't gonna go up against 200 and win. law enforcement stats say avg gun fight distance ft. avg amount of rounds fired 1 to 3 per person. So why anyone feels they are superman and they are super special is beyond me.

    • @tonytafoya6217
      @tonytafoya6217 5 років тому +7

      Is there swomething wrong with my L frame snub nose S&W .357 Magnum,
      because when I shoot it, it goes bahdah Bing bahdah bang bahdah boom ...z

    • @pgonzales1088
      @pgonzales1088 5 років тому +4

      @@tonytafoya6217 Yes it sounds Damaged..should Sound More like KaaBooomm!! or even POOOWW!!

    • @georgemoomaw9437
      @georgemoomaw9437 4 роки тому +4

      People can argue pro and con until the cows come home. It is simply a matter of personal choice. I carry a S&W 642 air weight in my pocket and when I can conceal it, I also strap a S&W SD9 VE on my belt.

    • @KrisThatsit
      @KrisThatsit 4 роки тому +2

      @@georgemoomaw9437 You're running my setup, a S&W 642 aluminum in 38 special except I have the snappier SD40VE

  • @Vaille32
    @Vaille32 3 роки тому +4

    My CCW is a Canik TP9SF 9mm with a capacity of 18+1. I always carry a BUG as well, usually my S&W 638-3 .38 spl. It’s a 5 round snub nose revolver I keep loaded with Hornady +p Critical Defense rounds. At home, I keep my little Ruger LCP II .22LR semi auto pistol with me at all times. Lots of coyotes snd snakes and the like.

  • @conradluznar2036
    @conradluznar2036 10 років тому +44

    A .38 special loaded with Hornady Critical Defense is nice.

  • @vmiley1
    @vmiley1 7 років тому +39

    I carry both .38 Special, & 9mm. It just depends on which one I want to have for the day.

  • @21whitman
    @21whitman 8 років тому +14

    Great snubbie shooting. I just got one and have been pulling DA. It really does take quite a while to start acquiring the sights efficiently but damn these snubbies are fun. I had my 45 with me and took about 10 shots and put it away and went at it for about 60 shots with the snub. I may not be as good but for some reason the fun factor is really there. Plus it is so much easier to pocket carry it with some hollowpoints than my semis in a holster, atleast in the hot weather. good vid and tips. thx much.

  • @GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC
    @GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC  10 років тому +7

    Thanks for your perspective. Felt recoil is subjective and for me the kel-tec had more recoil... so much that I sold it after only 100 rounds. For me the M&P Shield has been an excellent alternative. Plus with 7+1 and an 8 round magazine it's a good combination of small size and capacity. That being said, whatever works for you the operator, and allows quick hits on target matters more than a specific caliber or brand. Thanks again for commenting!

  • @rickypastille
    @rickypastille 8 років тому +1

    Very thorough and practical guide to strengths and weaknesses of small handguns. Great video. Thanks.

  • @Gibson17
    @Gibson17 10 років тому +3

    Your videos are very professional and always well done. Thanks

  • @MrTelecaster420
    @MrTelecaster420 9 років тому +67

    Funny to listen to all the "experts" fire power and multiple clips....In the real world If you need a gun it will be close and over before you know what happend..The best gun is the one you feel comfotable with and you will carry....doesn't matter how powerful or how many rounds, if you don't have it when you need it..And pray you will never need it..

    • @gamestycon2239
      @gamestycon2239 5 років тому +1

      Yes but capacity is an important thing, you’re not going to go with 1 bullet.

    • @larrysimmons9732
      @larrysimmons9732 5 років тому +1

      @@gamestycon2239 capacity is great if you cant shoot. 7 yards is combat range for personal protection.if you cant hit your intended target in this range, spend the very least amount of time in public as you can. If you dont put yourself in an an uncomfortable situation, then you wont have to worry much.

    • @vitogulotta7193
      @vitogulotta7193 5 років тому +1

      Don't know your experience, but FYI the 7 yard distance was a DRILL by a Utah Police Academy Instructor. If you're not familiar it, it's called the Tueller Drill. It's not a law, not policy, or documented combat range for personal protection. Some are less & some are more. Combat accuracy is evaluated at 25 yards.
      www.bing.com/search?q=tueller+drill&PC=U316&FORM=CHROMN

    • @ImKigzx
      @ImKigzx 4 роки тому +3

      Agreed but rounds matter I’d rather have a 15 round glock than a 5 round 38.

    • @jamesnevitt3400
      @jamesnevitt3400 4 роки тому +1

      MrTelecaster420 Most folks cant shoot that's the sad reality.

  • @ArcanusLibero
    @ArcanusLibero 10 років тому +2

    Thanks for the mature perspective. Its nice to hear a well grounded. Perspective. I will for other vids.

  • @mikunan
    @mikunan 5 років тому

    Some of the best practical advice presented here. I have seen this video years ago and applies now thinking of different carry options for wallet carry.

  • @GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC
    @GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC  11 років тому +3

    Bob, I agree the slim size and the very good trigger make the Kahr one of my favorite carry guns. Thanks for watching!

  • @jackg859
    @jackg859 11 років тому +2

    well done, we are looking forward each time you post a review.
    Cheers from the Netherlands.

  • @billh7860
    @billh7860 8 років тому +25

    Glock 34, approx. 3,500 rounds, 0 failures of any sort; Glock 19, approx. 9,000 rounds, 2 limp-wristed stovepipes (my bad), 0 other failures; Walther PPK, approx. 2,500 rounds, 0 failures of any sort;S&W Model 36, approx. thousands and thousands of rounds over 25 years, 0 failures.Buy quality firearms to begin with, maintain them properly, practice regularly, 0 failures.

    • @GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC
      @GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC  8 років тому +1

      +bill h Right on! So very true...

    • @MrRoberthafetz
      @MrRoberthafetz 8 років тому

      +bill You cant extrapolate your personal experience to actual historical data.

    • @billh7860
      @billh7860 8 років тому +1

      I absolutely can do that. My personal experience over many years is my data. It is not anecdotal to me. My firearm is different than another's because it is mine, I use it, I maintain it. I may have left out that I use only brand ammo or my own reloads in my original post but the numbers are the same, 0 ftf's, 0 fte's. Surely there are problems with some firearms even of the same brands as I have posted but they can most often be repaired and maintained thereafter. What actual historical data are you referring too?

    • @GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC
      @GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC  8 років тому +2

      +Robert Hafetz Robert and Bill, I've had great success with my Glock pistols. My Gen 2 G19 has over 50,000 founds through it. My Gen 17 has 18,000 rounds. My G 34 12,000+ My G26 Gen 3 has over 10,000 rounds through it My S&W M&P Pistol have similar round counts. The bottom line, all of my polymer framed striker fired guns have been 100% reliable provided I was using quality ammo, good mags and proper maintenance. As an instructor , I see lots of guns and in our classes we shoot as much as 700 rounds a day in an advanced class. I can say the striker fired guns by the top manufactures (Glock, S&W, XDMs, Walthers and HKs) have been extremely reliable. Bottom line, if the handgun is well maintained, and used with quality ammo and Mags. They are capable of extreme long term performance.

    • @billh7860
      @billh7860 8 років тому +1

      +Guns, Gear & On Target Training, LLC Couldn't agree more. I've been shooting since the late 50's, for fun mostly and competitively. I think I've worn-out a couple revolvers ( a Herters .22 & an old Model 10) over that time, they still function well though not as accurately nor as tightly. Still, I could use them if needed...I consider that long term performance no matter what other data might say.

  • @bobkenney1508
    @bobkenney1508 8 років тому +1

    Nicely done!
    You provided a clean objective analysis of the simplicity of the revolver versus the semi-auto pistol's ease of reloading. You also provided the good point that "immediate action" on a revolver is nothing more than pulling the trigger again, and that in the case of a semi-auto pistol the remedy can be more involved.

  • @GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC
    @GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC  11 років тому +2

    Great idea, I will buy a few and see how they do. Thanks for the suggestion!

  • @abc-wv4in
    @abc-wv4in 7 років тому +2

    Great video that's realistic and unbiased. So many people rule out revolvers but they have advantages for certain people, as do semi-autos for others. Thanks!

  • @jeffreyfawver9436
    @jeffreyfawver9436 7 років тому

    thank you for sharing your view on both firearms.

  • @jarkoer
    @jarkoer 9 років тому +17

    At 4:05 that's a good point, and I agree. If you look around UA-cam for videos of cops or soldiers shooting it out, it's sustained gunfire because the bad guy is trying to kill the cop or soldier. Now look at videos of civilians in a gunfight. Very few bullets are exchanged, and the bad guy generally runs away. Why? Because all he's looking for is a victim, not a fight. I respect the tactical shooters community because that kind of intense focused training will definitely save their life in any possible scenario, but the reality is that a revolver--even with its limited ammo capacity--is more than capable of defending a civilian's life. That's not classroom scare tactics, that's not keyboard warrior stuff. That's a verifiable fact of a civilian gunfight that anybody can see for themselves right here on UA-cam. Personally I carry a semi-auto, but if I were to carry a revolver I wouldn't consider myself under-armed.

    • @GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC
      @GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC  9 років тому +2

      We agree. Revolvers are solid self defense tools and are will worth serious consideration for EDC. Thanks for commenting

    • @andrewmcguire9309
      @andrewmcguire9309 8 років тому +1

      +Guns, Gear & On Target Training, LLC i have a colt anaconda .44MG and a ruger alaskan super red hawk .454 casull. In my opinion, for self defense ( in case of rapid fire), is too large caliber because the recoil is very strong.

  • @louisgrannan641
    @louisgrannan641 10 років тому

    Excellent and very professional video and discussion. This one of the best discussions I have listen to and seen without being "good old boy" sounding. Great Job in my humble opinion!

    • @GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC
      @GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC  10 років тому +1

      Many thanks for watching and commenting. I hope you will subscribe and share the channel with others.

  • @mychaelpierce8049
    @mychaelpierce8049 3 роки тому +3

    Very good review. Thanks for sharing.Two great options. I've had a PM 9 for nearly 20 years and it's been stellar! Accurate, reliable, light and very easy to conceal! I also have a S&W 360 PD and it's also a great choice. The S&W weighs 4-5 ounces less than the Kahr PM9. Now I carry a Hk P2000sk LEM as my primary piece and the PM 9 or S&W 360 PD as a back up.

    • @DARTHDANSAN
      @DARTHDANSAN 8 місяців тому +1

      20 years with same gun wow 🤩! Enjoy

  • @alexmcgregor7082
    @alexmcgregor7082 8 років тому +16

    .357 is the magic bullet.

  • @Coretok
    @Coretok 2 роки тому

    Great video. Very informative and well put together. Thank you.

  • @crazyfvck
    @crazyfvck 8 років тому

    Excellent video. You made a lot of good points.

  • @ECReviews
    @ECReviews 7 років тому +26

    Revolvers are the way to go for self-defense, Im always nervous of clip fed pistols because of the fact of the safety and then if the clip feeds correctly etc. as where a Revolver human error is basically eliminated and it only comes down to aim.

    • @RandySavage50
      @RandySavage50 7 років тому +4

      EC Reviews well they are magazines and not clips that go into a handgun... but, the magazines aren't as much of an issue as you would think

    • @The-Homecook-0000
      @The-Homecook-0000 7 років тому +3

      Randy D could be if you don't take care of your guns...

    • @paullytle246
      @paullytle246 6 років тому +1

      Well yeah I don't trust my c96 or steyr hahn

  • @webflys
    @webflys 5 років тому +1

    Great video thank you 🙏🏻 Owning just about every style hand gun and caliper under the sun - love them all. The 1 in a million chance no doubt one of my revolvers would save the day (357 carry) and in the home my trusty Chiappa 60ds 👍 No doubt either would ever be used to point at anyone.

  • @GSDrifter
    @GSDrifter 8 років тому +3

    Excellent Video!! Very comprehensive outlay of information. I would support the opinion that for most inexperienced shooters, the revolver would generally be the better choice of handgun. Less complex and fewer things can go wrong -- when compared to a semi-automatic.

  • @arturosolis8567
    @arturosolis8567 6 років тому

    Good job on the video your UA-cam channel is very much appreciated

  • @tthoy7338
    @tthoy7338 8 років тому +3

    really well done video clear and precise

    • @GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC
      @GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC  8 років тому +1

      +T Thoy Thanks for watching and commenting.

    • @dantecrowell6234
      @dantecrowell6234 8 років тому +1

      +Guns, Gear & On Target Training, LLC awesome video my dude...my apt was recently robbed and I actually had to hide for my life...I'm getting my first handgun and I think I might go with the .38..thanks to u

  • @ADucksOpinion
    @ADucksOpinion 8 років тому +17

    im getting the revolver soon! im so stoked! first gun. been watching videos on it for hours

    • @GoingYooper
      @GoingYooper 7 років тому

      So what did you get?

    • @ADucksOpinion
      @ADucksOpinion 7 років тому

      A small 5 shot taurus revolver

    • @GoingYooper
      @GoingYooper 7 років тому

      ***** Just picked up 38 taurus myself.Happy shooting my friend and grats on your first firearm.

    • @ADucksOpinion
      @ADucksOpinion 7 років тому

      thanks! I like it but i want the baby Desert Eagle 3.. its like my dream gun.. I dont like only having 5 shoots but 16 sounds great

    • @GoingYooper
      @GoingYooper 7 років тому

      ***** Will this be your carry gun?Or home gun?

  • @rickschubert6261
    @rickschubert6261 9 років тому +31

    For a non-gun-guy like me, non military, non paramilitary, non law enforcement guy, just a regular civilian interested in self defense, 99% of handling any situation I'd find myself in is analyzing the situation instantaneously, making the proper decision, and accurately getting off the first 2 rounds. That's what I worry about and prepare for. That's why I carry a revolver. Theoretically, I could get in an action movie gunfight where I need 17 rounds. Theoretically, I could also get trapped in a building in an earthquake, but I don't carry a crowbar with me everywhere. There is a limit to what you can prepare for. This obviously doesn't apply to you if you're in the army or a cop or whatever.

    • @GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC
      @GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC  9 років тому +2

      Rick Schubert Thanks for commenting. I tell folks select a platform and train with it. Revolver or semi, both will do the job for personal protection and self defense.

    • @cw3375
      @cw3375 5 років тому

      Paul Kersey
      Are you really an asshole or do you just play one on the internet?

    • @kristinmolina508
      @kristinmolina508 4 роки тому

      Well said. My thoughts also

  • @MrCopTom
    @MrCopTom 9 років тому +1

    Good video, good information to consider, thanks. For now its J Frame revolvers for my EDC.

  • @libertyhog1428
    @libertyhog1428 7 років тому

    good video, good delivery, good explanations 👍

  • @frankharrah7449
    @frankharrah7449 8 років тому

    Hi, I don't know how long comments about specific videos are monitored, but I wanted to pass along a couple of comments.
    I just viewed this video today. From the clear and easily understood explanations of using the revolver and the pistol I would guess that you've got a background in teaching. You made this topic interesting and informative. I go back and forth between a revolver (S&W 640 or S&W 686-6+ 3") and a pistol (Glock 26 or 43). I always carry two speed loaders with the revolvers and at least one spare magazine with the pistols. Habit from being in law enforcement (now retired) of always carrying extra ammunition.
    Thanks again,
    Frank Harrah

    • @GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC
      @GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC  8 років тому

      +Frank Harrah Thanks for the kind words. Yes I have a back ground in instruction, facilitation and experiential learning. This was one of the earlier vids I did in 2012. I think the content we're producing now is a bit better.
      Thanks for commenting and watching! Regards, SW

  • @drb223
    @drb223 11 років тому +1

    your totally right. too many people get caught up in caliber or capacity wars forgetting that reliability and shots on target are what count when your life is on the line. Hard to go wrong with either of the sidearms in your review!

  • @Emil-ul4kb
    @Emil-ul4kb 7 років тому +1

    Semi or revolver is simply a personal preference. Both will do the job.

  • @GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC
    @GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC  11 років тому

    I agree with you there. I too shoot the MP and Kahr weekly. I have over 20,000 now thru the MP Pro and 10K thru the Standard MP. I also carry the PM9 more than any other gun I've owned. The main reaosn for the video topic was to allow folks to consider the pros and cons of semiautos and revolvers. I encourage folks to carry the gun they practice with (can hit with) and can run under stress. The two pistols you mentioned are the two I use most... Great minds think alike!

  • @GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC
    @GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC  11 років тому +1

    An excellent choice...the LCRs and well made and a solid performer for a smaller carry revolver. Thanks for your comment.

  • @treyzup88p11
    @treyzup88p11 8 років тому +3

    I love revolvers, and carry my 442 often, but I also carry my glock 36...they both are easy to conceal and I can shoot both of them accurately.

  • @bigdickens6636
    @bigdickens6636 7 років тому +6

    No bullshit, to the point. Great video.

  • @himmler451
    @himmler451 10 років тому

    This was an excellent video.

  • @ekim7491
    @ekim7491 10 років тому

    you are a very good teacher!

    • @GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC
      @GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC  10 років тому

      Thanks for watching. I hope you'll check out some of the recent vids we've done of dry practice, shooting on the move and front sight focus.

  • @PaulRevere2009
    @PaulRevere2009 10 років тому

    Great Video..Very informative..Well done.

  • @MikeMikeSmith
    @MikeMikeSmith 9 років тому +1

    Good video!
    I wish people would put more emphasis on carrying moon clips instead of speed loaders, as they are just as easy to load with and less likely to fall apart in the pocket.

  • @AstonandJoy
    @AstonandJoy 10 років тому

    Excellent video! Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us :)

  • @marknerren9480
    @marknerren9480 6 років тому +3

    Very good video. I personally prefer small revolvers for their reliability. I currently carry a S&W 642PC which I bought for the extra trigger work. It is very smooth and is also cut for moon clips which gets around the speed loader issue a bit. To me, the PC version was worth the extra $45 for those features.

  • @daveh9217
    @daveh9217 4 роки тому

    Very honest and usefully video. Thanks

  • @charliedee9276
    @charliedee9276 4 роки тому

    I occasionally carry both, especially in winter when people have more clothing on. A Kahr MK9, which is the same size as the PM9 only in full stainless, and my grandfathers police service revolver, a 50's era Colt Detectives Special snub nose.

  • @GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC
    @GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC  11 років тому +3

    Sir, I owned the PM9 for two years and shot several thousand rounds throught it. I didn't use the slide relase as it was almost impossible to actuate. I've always used the "sling shot" method to chamber a round when i cant get the slide release. See my other vids. I ended up selling the Kahr and going to the M&P Shield which felt better in my hand and has a trigger (with a distinct) reset. Kahr is a good gun... on issue are the mags which can cause malfunctions.

  • @jimeckenrode1271
    @jimeckenrode1271 3 роки тому

    this was an excellent video

  • @annasteveladson9401
    @annasteveladson9401 11 років тому +1

    Thank you for an informative video!

  • @GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC
    @GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC  11 років тому +3

    My pleasure, thanks for watching. You might be interested in the recent reviews I've done on the compact 9mms. Especially the MP Shield. Please check out some of the other videos, let us know what you think and feel free to share with your friends. Thanks!

  • @lawdog490
    @lawdog490 8 років тому

    Very informative video..Aside from Police job, have gun store past 33 years. Kahr arms is the number 1 gun I send back for factory service. Some years ago. NYPD revoked the K9 as an authorized off duty gun. Also the NYS Att. Gen. office just added the Ruger LCP as authorized off duty as the PM9 was not doing well on requals, including two that were sent back and I received new replacement pistols to transfer to two guys, as the guns were unfixable. I personally carry the LC9s for my front pocket w a 19 or 17 tucked in pants. I am not a kahr hater, when they came out with the P9 early in my career I thought that was a great gun, but me and several other cops experienced jams...just my experience selling and servicing them...My bottom line, carry 2 guns all the time and at least 1 reload for each. Desantis just came out with their version of the Bianchi speed strips, for those of you who remember them, a lot easier than the speed loaders. P.S. Tuarus is the second handgun I send back for factory service...

  • @Flashvette
    @Flashvette 10 років тому

    I own a Kahr PM9. But I recently purchased the Taurus PT111 Millennium G2 over the Shield. It felt better and I have more mag capacity. It is now my EDC gun.I know many people knock Taurus but this gun is a big change in thier handguns. BTW. Great video.

  • @ronheacock606
    @ronheacock606 10 років тому +6

    rwhb1188
    In my career, I used a 5 shot .38 Spl, S&W Model 60 in a shoot out with an armed robber. I was working as a decoy at the time, the shooting occurred toe to toe and all five rounds were contact wounds. All five were to the upper chest ares on the suspects left side. I couldn't get a round up under his chin for a head shot as he had my wrist as I also had his with his gun. We went to the ground and rolled around for an eternity until back up detectives got to me. The suspect died on his way to the hospital. Don't expect 5, .38 shots to do the job! My backup is a Kahr PM 9, 7 shots and an extra mag in my pocket.

    • @GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC
      @GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC  10 років тому

      Wow, thank god you survived this encounter. Your perspective is much appreciated.

    • @1guyin10
      @1guyin10 9 років тому +3

      A sheriff I used to know once emptied both his 1911 and a .32 auto in a suspect and he didn't go down until one of his deputies got a bead on him with a shotgun. The old saying "handguns suck" has some validity. It is amazing how much damage the human body can sustain and still function, and yet a .22 short in the wrong place could be the end.

    • @joel70228
      @joel70228 9 років тому

      Guns and Gear & On Target Training, LLC great video . kept reallly simple for beginners and good descriptions of differences of revolver and semi auto

    • @Defender78
      @Defender78 9 років тому

      Ron H - you had contact shots, how would that Kahr have made out? What are the chances the semi *wouldn't* have jammed?

    • @robertmoffatt
      @robertmoffatt 9 років тому

      Do you recall how the recoil felt to your hand? Any thoughts to 357 instead?

  • @brianc5281
    @brianc5281 8 років тому +1

    I have a glock 26 and a Taurus model 405 chambered in .40 and do love the Taurus for shooting, with a 2 inch snubby barrel. The Taurus is awesome very accurate to 80 yards. I have concealed both. Carry what works best for you.

    • @kyles280
      @kyles280 4 роки тому +1

      Brian C that’s awesome. I have a Taurus 856 and love it

  • @Sagittarius-88
    @Sagittarius-88 9 років тому +7

    Good video. I own a Smith and Wesson 642 as well as a 9mm shield. Both guns are reliable, and conceal well. Whether an airlite revolver, or a compact 9, range time is an absolute necessity. Neither the 9mm or the 38 special have that "punishing effect" like say, a 500 magnum, but when fired from smaller frame guns, they take a bit of getting used to. If I gave a new shooter some 38 rounds to shoot out my 686, they'd probably have no recoil issues whatsoever. That gun just eats up the recoil when chambered with 38 rounds. Give that shooter an airlite revolver with the same 38 rounds, and it may be quite a different story as far as recoil. Same with the compact 9. Full size pistols are quite a bit easier to manage than their compact brethren. Took me a few magazines to get used to the snappiness of the shield, as I was used to shooting the full size model. Regardless of what you carry, there's no substitute for time at the range...

    • @GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC
      @GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC  9 років тому +1

      AngelsLastVengeance I couldn't agree more. Too many people select and carry small, light weight handguns. However they do not practice with them enough to manage the recoil and deliver combat effective hits. Every gun is a compromise in some way, shape or form. Full size guns are easier to shoot, smaller guns make concealed carry easier. Thanks for commenting!

    • @ag4713
      @ag4713 9 років тому

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    • @Sagittarius-88
      @Sagittarius-88 9 років тому

      Yeah, buddy! The Kreider express is gonna roll like a Freight train! LGR!!

    • @Sagittarius-88
      @Sagittarius-88 9 років тому

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    • @user-zn6ol1yr6o
      @user-zn6ol1yr6o 9 років тому

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  • @LucasMcGuire
    @LucasMcGuire 11 років тому

    great video. i'm not sure if u stated this or not, but another advantage to a revolver is that it can be fired from a jacket pocket without any worry of a slide binding up. I have a 642, awesome gun.

  • @GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC
    @GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC  11 років тому

    I agree and I too prefer a semi auto. Shoot it better and it works for me. However, too many folks don't train enough to run a semi effectively... especially with malfucntion. The revolver can be a good alternative and should be considered as an option. Thanks for watching...

  • @pherman6588
    @pherman6588 4 роки тому

    Excellent video .

  • @bghova
    @bghova 8 років тому

    Great video sir

  • @GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC
    @GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC  11 років тому +2

    Right! The new york reload as they say. Thanks again for watching.

  • @Calhoun1224
    @Calhoun1224 10 років тому

    I carry a S&W model 36 and my brother carries a Kahr Pm9. I think we could agrue all day about what is best. For instance if you are wounded in any arm or hand you are not going to be able to rack the slide on the Pm9. Conversly reloading a wheel gun under pressure is not easy no matter what method you employ. Not to bore you with other examples but my brother points out he has more fire power from the git go making a reload less likely. I pointed out that I train atleast three times a week, so now he joined a club that has IDPA. I had my butt saved twice as an armed guard just presenting the firearm, I never had to pull the trigger and I hope that for everyone who carries. Thanks for listening. Keep the videos coming.

  • @alanstevens1296
    @alanstevens1296 3 роки тому

    Carry both!
    My "standard carry" is a S&W Model 637 in 38+p with 12 rounds of spare ammo. 17 rounds in all. Inside the belt holster.
    My "heavy carry" includes the above, and a Ruger EC9s in 9mm with two magazines of spare ammo. 25 rounds in all. Inside the belt holster.
    It is a good idea to carry a second gun in case the first one gets damaged.

  • @matsuwd-emethdaath4002
    @matsuwd-emethdaath4002 11 років тому

    great insightful meat and potatoes vid Wishse...i truly appreciate info man ...along with the comparison :)
    Subbed

  • @mouthfulloffeces
    @mouthfulloffeces 8 років тому +5

    Excellent video Sir! Thank you.

  • @drb223
    @drb223 11 років тому

    nice review. Do you have any experience with the Ruger LCR vs the S&W? I like the easily replace front sight on the LCR, but the reliability of the S&W's is great

  • @CPT-nm9uj
    @CPT-nm9uj 8 років тому

    You just earned yourself a subscriber

  • @buddyringo21
    @buddyringo21 3 роки тому

    I carry that 642 air weight and the Glock 26 whenever I leave the house , the 642 I carry in a Remora pocket holster and the Glock in a IWB kydex holster . I keep one one me and the other between my seat and e-brake as it is easier to get to in a car jack situation while seat belted in. I always carry Sig V Crown defense ammo in all my CCW guns as the ballistics are fantastic

  • @ardvarkkkkk1
    @ardvarkkkkk1 11 років тому +1

    I have been carrying a revolver since 1981 (except in the army where I carried a 45). Over the years, I have seen more and more people act like they are going to war. If it continues like this, shortly you will see guys carrying two 45s, 15 extra mags for each, a hand grenade in each pocket and drive to work in an M1 tank.

  • @cubanitatb
    @cubanitatb 10 років тому +1

    Very informative. Thank you

  • @EDDYCAMINITI
    @EDDYCAMINITI 10 років тому +2

    That was my question - difference in recoil? I'm taking my CCW next week and I have both, but have not fired either yet.

  • @Cybernod
    @Cybernod 7 років тому

    Great video..very easy to understand ..anoter subscriber...congrats

  • @amandabavender308
    @amandabavender308 8 років тому +1

    For those talking about the j frame. yes it is horrible for target practice with factory grips because it literally tore open my hand after an hour. I purchased hougue grips and they help out a lot with that issue and only cost me $25. I use my revolver for ccw it was the first gun that fit and felt good in my hand and I made my decision based on that. It is not the easiest to aim so definitely work on target practice.

  • @GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC
    @GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC  11 років тому +3

    Thank you sir! I appreciate you watching and commenting

  • @kylewood8327
    @kylewood8327 3 роки тому

    Both are definitely great options so have both!

  • @thehammerglock17
    @thehammerglock17 11 років тому

    I used to be a big auto loader fan, and I thought revolvers were out of date/low capacity/hard to reload piles of junk, not fit for modern defense. But then i purchased a S&W 638 and i fell in love, the timing, the simplicity, the up most in reliably, and the grip has a very low profile if wearing it IWB, that it made it easier to conceal than any other auto loader i own, so now I'm head over heels. I cant make up my mind.

  • @Callsign_Neuro
    @Callsign_Neuro 7 років тому +1

    I want a S&W .38 Special revolver. A) Because I trust revolvers more than semi-autos for ccw, and B) if it is ever seized for investigation, it's cheap! And easily replaceable.

  • @mjso
    @mjso 7 років тому +1

    both of these guns are what I use as my edc, kahr on the hip and smith in the pocket

  • @rafaelmadrigal1534
    @rafaelmadrigal1534 8 років тому +38

    There is less of a chance to have a loading jam or a failed ejection of a shell with a revolver.

    • @paullytle246
      @paullytle246 6 років тому

      Rafael Madrigal yeah but they come with a whole different set of problems

    • @DX91001
      @DX91001 6 років тому +3

      Can you name any? Im serious cause Im looking to get one and I dont know what to watch out for.

    • @Defender78
      @Defender78 6 років тому +2

      Tony Home just get really good on your reloads, that’s where the revo can fail on you. I’ve had shells that got stuck under the extractor star, which is the revolver’s version of the stove pipe jam. It’s also difficult to release that stuck shell, but that has happened when I’m on the range using cheap metal cases ammo and haven’t brushed or cleaned the cylinders in between firing segments.

    • @navigator1383
      @navigator1383 6 років тому +5

      Sure revolvers have their issues, however all in all are more forgiving than automatics in regards to ammo and reliability.

    • @owenshiverdecker6999
      @owenshiverdecker6999 5 років тому

      I like revolvers but I have jammed them before as well ( powder and pocket lint under the Star extractor) nearly impossible to clear without tools. Modern auto loaders from quality manufacturers have fewer moving parts, easier to reload and generally more powerful with less recoil. When was the last time you saw the police or military with a revolver? I do recommended using a quality holster with autos though, less of a issue for revolvers.

  • @5thbassdrum
    @5thbassdrum 7 років тому

    Great video former Marine here. Well done...

  • @JaguarDieCast
    @JaguarDieCast 8 років тому

    great video.

  • @gusthomas
    @gusthomas 3 роки тому

    I smiled a little when you looked both directions behind you after pressing off a couple rounds. Took me back to my State requals. If we didn't do that it was a fail.

  • @JimmyCricket61258
    @JimmyCricket61258 11 років тому

    Very well done video. Thanks

  • @GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC
    @GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC  11 років тому +2

    Thank you sir, I hope you watch some of the other vids on the channel and share the channel with friends.

  • @Hotshotter3000
    @Hotshotter3000 7 років тому +2

    The thing about ammunition capacity is that more is better. While there are cases where gunfights can drag and more than 10 shots are needed, your typical defensive firearm use will last less than 3 seconds, and when shots are fired, the average number of shots is 6. The key here is 'average' if you can get a compact gun with 12 rounds of 9mm or .40 S&W, you should be fine. .38 spl with proper loads can be fairly good, too, but with only 5 rounds that would be of concern. I know that .357 magnum is more powerful, but out of a 2 inch barrel it's far less impressive.
    Still, the S&W 642 and other revolvers of the kind, I find the lack of any sharp edges just perfect for deep concealment. They have nothing that any clothing can snag onto.

  • @chuckie0223
    @chuckie0223 7 років тому

    very nice video I for about 3 yrs carried a Ruger GP100 3 inch and I use hip holster similar to what cops wear I personally like having snap because I have on 2 occasion not snapped it because in hurry and as I got out of vehicle gun was in seat. I was revolver man all the way another reason I went with Ruger was for when reloading I liked the button you pushed in to open cylinder just thought it was faster and with 3 years of going to range I always carry 2 speed loaders for quicker loading and I do have arthritis in hands and actually loading each bullet into cylinder wasn't that easy but I got fo were I can reload as my revolver as fast as my friends could their semi's I always feared jams & decided to purchase my 1st non revolver and got a 1911 45 & still very new to it actually just took it to the range for the 1st time last weekend. I've never used revolver like this all mine have been double actions and wjen at range for better accuracy pull the hammer back but I know if it ever was time I needed it for defense that I would more than likely have to go just pulling trigger which revolver people knows is harder to pull and my accuracy wasn't as good. still been practicing alot for over 3 years and thought I had it pretty good groupings and figured it's 1st time with my 1911 and figured it would take time to get used to and I was way wrong every clip I shot was tight grouping. I have smaller hands so I had to go with one with single stack rounds so I have 7 rounds with 45 to 6 with my revolver. I'm now stuck trying to figure out which I should use for my EDC I'm sticking with my Ruger for at least a little longer and have more range time getting used to unholstering and reloading. I of course still have to buy some things I would like to also carry 2 spare clips like I do 2 speed loaders. my concern is the size difference in clips over speed loaders. so I will tick with hip holster but for spare clips what is best way to carry them since they are much larger? Do they make some form of things to put on belt like pocket knives cry cases? I imagine that would be similar in size. I'm not saying I'm buying pocket knife things to carry clips I'm just using for size comparison. also what brands do people think are best. the Speed loaders for revolvers he said is same I carry and are superb. I like them because they are so small and take up little space. If anyone could give me any info on what they may use and if they think I should stick to revolver or is switching something they would also do? sorry I'm new to the pistols or semi whatever the correct term for them is. I've had 3 357's, 1 38 spec. & 1 44 magnum which was my biggest regret buying. it is wonderful gun but if you have arthritis in hands don't buy one even with the hogue Grips it's still killer on the hands.

  • @63DW89A
    @63DW89A 10 років тому +1

    One major advantage of a revolver over auto loaders is its ability to shoot any bullet shape reliably. A 148 gr wadcutter at 900+ fps from a 2" barrel will penetrate about 14" of ballistic gelatin and blow a permanent 3/4" tunnel thru animal tissue, with high blood flow from entrance & exit, outperfoming most JHP's in 9mm, 45ACP & 40 S&W. Many JHP's will not penetrate a 10" gelatin block. Lack of penetration & low blood flow will not stop an assailant.

  • @GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC
    @GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC  10 років тому +2

    Good choice... Thanks for watching and commenting.

  • @chrisfolk2163
    @chrisfolk2163 7 років тому +1

    I'm waiting for my permit to come in. I just finish security guard training. I used the 9mm. Now I want to try the other guns. Any suggestions?

  • @Theo-hc5ob
    @Theo-hc5ob 10 років тому

    Very Good video! Wonderfully done and informative. For your windy day shots try putting a sock or similar piece of fabric over your camera's mic (that's where the got Windsock from). If it's an external one, vs the little inlet kind on most small cameras, you can "sacrifice" a Nerf ball or small piece of foam to make a windsock..But, Very Good video!

  • @Suikerland
    @Suikerland 10 років тому

    Good overview.
    One question - the .38 is a double action with no safety, and I assume you'd usually carry a round 'in the pipe'.
    Why not do the same with the Kahr? It's also double action.
    Thanks

  • @camilo19201920
    @camilo19201920 8 років тому +2

    Very knowledgeable

  • @jamesbarnes8854
    @jamesbarnes8854 6 років тому

    I pocket carry an old Gen 2 Kel Tec P32 and IWB carry a S&W 642 -2. I have carried a Gen 2 DB9 subcompact 9mm and a Gen1 AMT Backup 380, but the 32acp and 38spl go everywhere in the South Georgia swamp heat.

  • @matsuwd-emethdaath4002
    @matsuwd-emethdaath4002 11 років тому

    no problem man :) just curious...as a 6.7" guy would i be at a disadvantage with the .38 ? really i like that lil smooth cat ( even more i like the Ruger .38 special). would u say to perhaps for me to get a bigger gun or is it up to my descretion..i am certiain with my large pocket size for my clothes i will have NO issue concealing lol

  • @GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC
    @GunsGearOnTargetTrainingLLC  10 років тому

    Whatever works reliably and allows you to get hits on target is a solid gun. I am not hung up on brands rather I use what works. I tell my students the same thing.

  • @frisco1974
    @frisco1974 11 років тому

    Great video, thanks!

  • @secretsquirrel63
    @secretsquirrel63 9 років тому

    Good idea for a video and well done...I myself will never give up my 6 shot Colt Detective Special for EDC in the summer loaded with Hydrshok. Thanks.

  • @notapplicable8696
    @notapplicable8696 7 років тому

    Great video. Great presenter. Subbed.