Responding to Rachel Fusaro, her feelings about Science Diet
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- Опубліковано 29 лют 2024
- Rachel is a very well-known UA-cam personality, a vocal critic of Science Diet and prescription Diet. She shared her feelings about Science Diet so I wanted to share mine, in hopes it might help the pet parent watching all these conflicting opinions of you tube concerning pet food and pet nutrition.
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When someone not qualified says “ I feel….” Well, we know what happens when we use feelings over facts.
I'll never understand how someone can say kibble is actually better than fresh food.
It’s easy. A quality dry food, formulated by board certified nutritionists can definitely deliver a better balance of nutrients than fresh food. Now in a perfect world, feed fresh food with a healthy recipe and you’re all good. But about half of folks that do homemade or raw do it wrong… and that’s from the proponents, not me.
I agree. But some self homemade or raw that is home prepared, Not formulated by nutritionist and or veterinarians, without proper calcium phosphorus levels and other nutrients can be worse than a bag. So it would be important to research if feeding home prepared meals cooked or raw. I personally feed lots of whole foods along with some kibble or can , they get different stuff each day, different meals etc. They thrive off rotational. I can't fathom only feeding a bag of kibble, let alone the same kibble the dogs entire life.
@@jbrown715Just an FYI: We've had our 12 year old since she was 9 weeks old. Thought we'd start her off as best we could diet-wise. After her puppy stage, began feeding her boiled, organic chicken breasts mixed with a bit of kibble/organic veggies. Only years later did we discover she was allergic to chicken. Tried organic ground beef with a bit of organic veggies for awhile, but it still seemed her stools were never 100% right. Then got her on beef Freshpet where she thrived for years. Strange, her stools weren't right on the boiled organic chicken/beef, but were great on the beef Freshpet which also had a bit of chicken in it. THEN we tried the ultimate designer dog food, Farmer's Dog. She had a major allergic reaction to that. To make THAT "allergy troubleshooting long story short", we now have had her on an off-the-shelf Purina Pro Plan kibble, salmon formula for a couple of months, and that has cleared all her terminal itching. We have slowly melded-in a cod formula from Farmina, but that is probably all the variety we plan on feeding her. She is just as enthusiastic about those 2 kibble varieties as she was with the Freshpet, boiled chicken/beef. Like I said, just an FYI.
Yeah even my vet who’s totally brainwashed by the big pet food companies into loving Hills, and Mars owned foods even admits that he agrees with me that fresh food is better than kibble. We don’t always agree on what are good and not good kibbles. But my vet at least admits to the fact kibble is made for the convenience of the consumer. I see this guys reply to you. And I understand it. I understand and agree that formulating and creating an appropriate diet home-made for dogs is complicated and hard. What I disagree with is that kibble is the solution. Instead of giving people kibble what vets should be doing is educating their clients on how to appropriately create homemade meals for their dogs and cats. Problem is vets CANT do that because none of them are actually educated in animal nutrition. It’s well known that vets only take a one semester course on animal nutrition. I’ve seen many people in vet schools talk about this fact and how little they actually are being taught. Not even vets themselves know how to appropriately create a balanced meal for dogs. So yeah it’s pretty hard because basically no one really knows for sure what is best for dogs. Vets are going off bias studies many of which I’ve read and was not impressed with, funded by these big brand pet food companies. The FDA doesn’t do much regarding regulating pet food and so people are relying on these private companies that we know objectively have a financial incentive to tell them what’s good for their animals. And then veterinarians have the f***ing nerve to tell us we’re being stupid and anti science for questioning what the pet food companies are telling us? It’s ridiculous. Because of this corruption people are forced to try and figure out what works best on their own through trial and error. And this shouldn’t be happening either. But it has to be because cancer rates prove that something is wrong with our dogs, and a lot of people including myself think it’s no coincidence cancer rates started increasing as our animals started to eat kibble instead of our table scraps
@@I-hate-youtube797 great comments. I understand thinking vets are simply brainwashed. But you need to consider vets use these diets on very sick animals and day in and day out they see the results. Even vets not interested in nutrition or how the diet works, will recommend them because they see them work! And vets talk! That’s why they love and trust Hills. I watched it for 3; years! Now as far as the research behind these results, it’s not like there’s one biased study produced by Hills(or RC or Purina) that determines how the dirt is made or even the results. These studies are studied, evaluated and vetted by other nutritionists who don’t work for the companies. Very often these companies will use independent studies to help them formulate a food. It’s not as simple as you think. And Hills and RC and Purina argue over certain issues and diseases, such as urinary diets. Vets by nature live evidence based research and clinical studies. They are comfortable with that. Anecdotal claims that they hear often, are very uncomfortable for them. And rightly so. Trust me, I wish folks like you would ask lots of questions ! But ask them to the people filling your heads with slick marketing gimmicks and totally ignoring nutrition! These people in UA-cam say things that are so blatantly false, I have to question their sincerity because many are in a position to know better or simply ask these companies nutritionists! They choose to remain ignorant or do they do it on purpose? If food companies simply provided their actual nutrient numbers and explained why, anyone could evaluate a diet. Instead you get ingredient games and philosophies and when I get the real numbers the diet is terrible. That’s corrupt to me!
I am soooo glad you did this video. I picked up on the Tufts blurb also and saw how she cherry picked that out of a long article that goes on to give the benefits gained from carbs. What was amazing to me is the fact she even quoted Tufts since her camp thinks all vet schools are bought
Steph, cherry picking like Bible verses! Never a good idea!
I have watched most of your videos and I am so happy that you are doing this! Thank you😄 It is so great to listen to somebody that clearly knows what they are talking about. Looking at nutrions and not how they personally feel when they look at the ingredien list. Greetings from Norway 🇳🇴
Charlotte, thank you for the encouraging words.
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy would you recommend feeding hills science diet?
@@carolgershel7093 absolutely! I have fed it for over 30 years. Most of the vets I worked with over the years feed it to their own pets.
As a plant based person for 5 years I can say that plant protein is inferior to meat protein. Also, the problem I have is GMO’s in corn.
Well, I agree. If I had to feed just one protein source, it’s gonna be meat. But if I’m trying to deliver amino acids in a total diet, I can achieve that by combining meat and plant protein. Don’t compare ingredients against each other but the benefit of combining them. Yes, GMO is a real concern of mine too. But do we want to talk about what’s in our meat ???
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuyCorn protein has 2 amino acids. Turkey alone, has 11. If Hills genuinely wanted to make the perfectly balanced kibble, they would have at least two different meat sources, with multiple cuts from each. That is the best way, to provide a properly balanced amino acid profile. We’ve talked before. I know you’re a smart and well informed individual. You know what I’m saying isn’t wrong.
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuyBut you do bring up a valid point here. Grocery store meat has its dirty secrets.
@@9hk38f Anything overseen by our government has its dirty little secrets. If they truly cared about our health they wouldn’t allow all kinds of chemical and unhealthy ingredients in food products. They darn sure don’t really care about pet food. I found it interesting the other day that a gentle who breeds Havanese and works for Purina doesn’t feed his dogs Purina.
@@9hk38f that’s a whole other can of worms! Human food chain isn’t what it once was.
Thanks for another informative and interesting video. Anti-carbs discussions have baffled me. It's not like we're sprinkling white sugar on the food.
Since when have carbs become the enemy? I’m always so confused with this discussion in the pet food space. I mean we all eat carbs in the daily. They’re in so many foods.
This stuff all started around the human low carb and keto fads. People are humanizing their pets….hey I’m guilty of that but I don’t sacrifice their nutrition. I leave that up to the experts and Rachael is not one
@@AshleyKarys it’s all marketing, done to sell pet food, and you can see how well it works!
I agree with you, peoples need the RIGHT informations, nobody know what to believe anymore and are misinform..
I think Rachel is great and passionate about dogs. But it's great getting a different perspective on this topic. You're the only one providing an alternative perspective that I've found on UA-cam.
She is passionate about being a creator, and making that online $$$$.
She doesn't have any good info for decision making for her fans.
@420growers3 I disagree, I think her channel has some good advice. Regarding decision making, her opinion is that fresh homemade food is best and pellets are generally unhealthy for dogs. So the decision is do you want to feed fresh or do you want to buy a mass produced pellet food? Personally, I combine the two, using fresh as more of a topper. Most people don't want to spend the time or money making a well-balanced fresh food.
@@420growers3 Agree to disagree.
Thank you! I appreciate that! You need to check out AnimalDocRea. She’s a vet with a great channel you’ll enjoy. You’re right, perspective is everything.
Prius god, thanks, I appreciate that. I hope you’ll check out more of my videos. AnimalDocRea is another excellent channel you should check out.
Isn’t corn not digestible for dogs? I know it can give them energy and such but I have heard it’s just a filler because of the undigestability of it- so much conflicting information out there
Hannah, anyone telling you that is probably trying to sell you something or is sincerely wrong. Coran must be cooked to be bioavailable but provides many different benefits besides energy. It contain protein, fatty acids, fiber, and board certified vet nutritionists know this. Pet food marketers pushe high protein and meat because its easy to manipulated people into buying their products, not even asking if the nutrients provided are optimal. The ingredient panel is a tool to manipulate you, not educate you. Well meaning folks like Rachel buy into the marketing and miss the whole point of nutrition.
Yes you are right no matter what it is freeze dry or homemade. Everything we eat is not natural. So i will provide food i can for my cat. All food are processed human or pet food. I mean if we worry to much we will make ourself sick. I mean who can afford freeze dry and homemade food the rich
Another good video Glenn, thank you. This fight over dog food is getting like a political argument with Democrats vs Republicans, Lol.
Captain, lol! I’m not going there!!!!
I will admit I don’t even know who Rachel is, the first time I heard about her was from your channel. I find it really interesting that she’s a human nutritionist interested in animal nutrition, but yet she doesn’t look at the nutrients herself? From what I can see her channel focuses on dogs. But with cats though the nutrients are critical. I wonder if she knows about calcium and phosphorus? And that high levels of these two nutrients can be detrimental to a senior cat’s health? Only asking because these things are important as senior cats have very different needs than adult cats. I can only assume senior dogs have different nutritional requirements as well?
All I know is that Science Diet helped my little dog not have the runs, and that was enough to convince me!! SD Perfect Digestion promises "perfect poops in 7 days" and they were not lying lol🖕
I see all the "FRESH FOOD advocates", and that is all well and good for many no doubt. Won't repeat OUR long story about how our dog did everything BUT thrive on fresh food. Not saying we wouldn't have been able to find a fresh food formula that worked for her, but considering the outcomes we had with fresh foods, we/she couldn't afford to keep testing with different formulas/combinations/etc. Her "premium" dog food journey ended with a switch over to Farmer's Dog food(even longer story). She is now back to her thriving/no issues, on a combo diet of salmon Purina Pro Plan/Farmina cod(both kibble), organic green beans/organic cucumbers.😁
Hi there 😊 Would you please recommend a cat food that is Healthy for my Kitty. He doesnt eat wet he prefers dry.
Roxanne, my favorite is Science Diet but Purina ONE Urinary Care is another real good one and probably a little less expensive.
I haven't caught what your training or qualifications are. I can't sit and watch all your videos. All I catch is that you were a sales rep for Hills. Normally everyone rattles off their qualifications at the beginning of every video.
Mdavis, I don’t rattle off fancy certificates or degrees. Don’t have any. A board certified vet nutritionist is the only credential that matters. These silly pet nutritionist or dog nutritionist courses are not real. I was trained by top board certified vet nutritionists and was privileged to be taught by Dr Mark Morris Jr himself. My job was to train vets and their teams on therapeutic and wellness nutrition. I did that for 34 years. And loved it! Learning about all the new discoveries and new diets and seeing the results in clinics every day was my real education. And it was a passion I still have. I know RC and Purina diets just as well since I felt my duty to the vet was to be able to offer them the best. The horrible misinformation on UA-cam is what motivates me now to try helping living pet parents. So I hope you’ll learn from my videos and feel free to join the conversation.
😂😂😂.@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy
Hey If I feed Hills, Is it worth giving my dog a de wormer, pet body detox, strong joints, anti stress, allergy free, urinary support
Herbal, Alcohol free tinctures?
lol! I’m assuming you’re kidding!
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy I’m serious
@@topg3200 if a body gets optimal nutrients and is healthy, there is no need for anything else. If an issue should present itself where additional support is needed, that’s fine, but save your money. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Spend that money on annual blood work that would detect issues early on. Your pup is blessed to have you!
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy Thanks. What’s your vaccine on dogs protocols? website recommends puppy at 6 weeks parainfluenza, distemper, adenovirus, parbo, rabies, optional influenza, lepto, bordertella, lyme, coronavirus bundle all and it’s 10 different vaccines doing research and came to conclusion that distemper virus and parvo virus at 8 weeks, booster at 12 weeks and that’s it, rabies at 6 months if it’s needed per state law and than at 1 year do titer test to see if the dog still has protective levels, antibodies of the parvo, distemper.
Can you please review Pet Supplies Plus’ Redford Natural dog food? Ingredient wise it looks fairly similar to Science Diet sensitive stomach & skin. Please review REDFORD NATURALS CHICKEN & BROWN RICE! Thank you!!!!
It actually looks fairly decent. The price is kinda high. An in depth analysis would be nice. I think it looks better then Hills honestly.
Too many people think what to feed has become a contest or a debate. It isn't. We feed what we feel is best for our pets. When I caught my kittens, I fed Fancy Feast. It made Colbie throw up. I switched to different commercial foods. Then Panda started throwing up anything I fed her. For over a year, they have had a mostly homemade diet. I made the choice, but I also don't have a choice. No matter what anyone says, or how good someone thinks "their" food is, my cats do well and don't get sick, on fresh food. There are others who's cats only eat wet food, or dry or a combination. That is fine. Whatever works for your pet, keep doing it.
Ed, add some blood work once in a while too!
would you recommend feeding hills science diet??
Absolutely! its all I feed. was a Hills veterinary rep for 34 years, taught by the best and saw the results every day in vet clinics. best job in the world.
Hello. I am in the process of learning more on this subject. I feed my 9 year old cat daily kibble (orijen) in small amounts. Cod (cooked) and wet canned. I am in England. I use Edgard cooper and lily's kitchen wet food. I asked both for calcium and phosphorus levels.
Edgard cooper said - Our calcium levels in our chunk recipes are mentioned AS FED in grams/ kg:
Calcium
CAT_AD_CHUNKS_TURKEY26-CHICKEN20 4.30
Phosphorus
CAT_AD_CHUNKS_TURKEY26-CHICKEN20 3.10
Lilly's kitchen only sent me the phosphorous.
The following phosphorous percentages are on a dry matter basis (DMB)
Tasty Cuts Chicken & Salmon: 1.2% phosphorus (DMB)
Tasty Cuts Beef: 1.8% phosphorus (DMB)
Tasty Cuts Chicken: 1.8% phosphorous (DMB)
Tasty cuts Ocean Fish: 1.8% phosphorus (DMB)
Our Shredded Fillets are 1% phosphorous (DMB)
Thank you for any help if you read this and I thank you for an informative channel. I will continue to watch more videos. Thanks mate.
So the optimal range for a 9 year old cat is .7% phosphorus on a dry weight basis so you can see 1.8% is quite high. Of course the 1.1% is the best. At nine, lord willing your cat has lots of years left. The idea is to help reduce risk of age related diseases. If you haven’t done any bloodwork on her, a basic senior panel will let you know everything is fine and perhaps you don’t have to be as careful as the cat with elevated levels. Then I’d be telling you definitely find a lower phosphorus diet. Hope that helps!
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy
Thank you. I have had blood work done and was told everything is ok.
Would it not be a good idea to seek out a wet/dry food low in phosphorus and calcium regardless. From what I understand from learning from you this is the hallmark of low quality. Chicken lips, feathers etc if these numbers are on the higher end. Hope I got that right.
One reason I am looking into this is my cat keeps developing cat flu like symptoms.This is something he has always had to some degree from been a kitten. However in the last year the symptoms would come back every one/two week.
He had to have an operation. A type of nasal wash out for the thick mucus. Runny eye. Hard breathing. I was told its a virus which keeps activating. So steroid/flu shot injection is required every 3/4 months to keep the mucus down after the op. I do as they say. But I am not convinced by this theory and am intrigued by toxicity.
The vets essentially said they don't know and the mucus could be a by product of something else. Feels like I am chasing my tail. Treating symptoms. He's been good for months now and I hope it stays that way. Apart from that he behaves like a kitten most days.
Thank you.
@@SixTimesMrOlympia yes, controlling excess minerals is always best as a preventive. Maybe he’ll outgrow the mucous issue
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy
One last thing.
Was your analysis of orijen dry cat food the Canadian product or the USA product. In the UK we get the Canada product.
I got a reply from edgard cooper wet canned food. They said
The calcium and phosphorus percentages for our chunks in sauce:
Calcium 0.2% on DM base
Phos. 0.2% on DM base
So they are probably using quality proteins. I will stick with this and Lilly's kitchen shredded fillets 1% phosphorous (DMB)
Thanks. All the best.
Also I forgot. Do have an opinion on Rotational MonoFeeding diet. This discuss natural hygiene, excesses and correct conditions in the body to be healthy. I am just looking into this now.
I know you don’t look at ingredient lists, but there’s actually a number of Royal Canin diets that don’t have meat listed as the first ingredient. Here’s a snippet from their Indoor 7+ Dry Cat Food:
“Ingredient: corn, barley, wheat, chicken meal, corn gluten meal, soy protein isolate, natural flavors, chicken fat, wheat gluten, brewers rice…”
They don’t seem to participate in the ingredients game and I like that about them.
Edit: I wonder what Rachel would have to say here since there is both corn and corn gluten meal, but corn is the first ingredient so there’s no point to “split” it? Kind of puts a hole in that argument.
You’re right! That’s very impressive! I stand corrected!
I remember when I was looking for a new cat food for my cats I read this label for RC 7+ and was like wow those ingredients are terrible! But I was actually talking about a Hydrolyzed protein diet with my friend as her cat has food allergies. And soy protein isolate is one of the main ingredients. So it must be a good alternative protein source as extensive studies are done on therapeutic diets.
Yup! One thing I love about Royal Canin, they never jumped on the ingredient manipulation bandwagon or the grain free bandwagon