Pretty sure the entire back half of this video is directed at him.....rightfully so. Just ridiculous that TSJ went through what he went through this year and no one is apologizing.
I couldn't find any videos of this guy talking about Shannon. I don't even know who he is so really don't care. I especially don't care about what he didn't say but interested to hear what he did say. Thanks.
@@almarble1 ua-cam.com/video/hdDIq74vbos/v-deo.html I agree his opinion doesn't matter to me, but he has a massive CBS sports platform. For people to use this as 'content' and then not follow up after the truth has come out is foundationally why people have issues with the media.
Terrence Shannon Jr, the person, just proved that he is a better man than basketball player. Tough, mature, collected, respectful. Just an outstanding human being by all accounts, and oh ya… he’s a killer on that court. Most mentally strong athlete I have ever rooted for. Rafters. Sharpie.
Oh gosh, yes! ... and let's declare him a living saint, let's create a prayer in his name ... OMFG how truly lucky we are to have shared in the cleansing of these allegations ... We need a Terrance Shannon statue ... What am I missing? Ha!
One of my favorite moments in college basketball history. Big ten tournament. Crowd was chirping at TSJ, he had just been fouled after a transition fast break and got the foul call He looked at the fan, gave him that “jibber jabber” hand movement thing and says “keep talking”. Sank the shot. The very next possession-TSJ steals a pass and throws down a dunk, looks over at the opposing fan and winks.
I couldn’t believe he did make the official all American teams. That was pathetic. I didn’t they have that pretty average Caleb Love over him? And Houston’s Pg who shoots like 40% on 11 ppg or something. Jamal Shead. No offense to either of those guys who slash 40/30, but Shannon was the best perimeter player in the entire country this year. 2nd in the nation in scoring. Sets the big10 tourney scoring mark, has 30+ in like idk 5 games in a row ? Dude literally dominated every single game with volume AND clutch scoring until UConn was just too much.!!
Ty Greg and Cart for your coverage of this case. You guys took the time to look into the details of this case and report on ot accurately. Terrence almost had his life snatched by a rogue DA but, thankfully, justice prevailed in his case. I pray he gets all the flowers he deserves now. What he did this season was generational imo.
Amen, well said Greg! False accusations can get an afro-american killed not just ruin his or her life. This was a horrible shame and the girl walked away free.
The evidence was nonexistent. They charged him based on the alleged victims identification who admitted she did not see who did it and got his name from an internet search. The whole thing was a farce and the DA should be disbarred.
@@tjn2254yep. There literally wasn’t. It’s pure blatant anti Illinois bias or pure racism or both. It’s scary that this went to court? I don’t understand how it could. The evidence was: No outside DNA found on woman. Dollar sign emojis sent between girls friends talking about Terrence. No video evidence he was ever close to her at the time she claimed. No right hand tattoo on him that she claimed the assailant had. Full denial of claims by everyone who was with Terrence at that bar that night. There was another man who had the same hair that was in the bar that night. Also a 6 foot+ athelte who DID have a right hand tattoo. But there was a white girl who went home, looked online at the roster of Illinois bball team?( how would she even know to do that!!!!!) and picked Shannon out from his photo due to his hair. Lol. And this went to trial.
I find it rather peculiar that his court appearance was schedule one week before the NBA draft ... Today even the judges need to be sequestered ... bet the ranch that an NBA-influencer on Nate Silver's staff had a little chat with the judge ... Maybe even Nate himself gave him a call!
@@douglascarlson9006you do realize it’s a jury that found him guilty not a judge right? You realize the nba blackballed him right? You saw the actual evidence right? You saw there was no male dna found both in and around her after the alleged incident which the judgement has now proven it was all a lie right?
Thank you for how you guys covered this, from start to finish. It was impeccable, and it's insane that actual journalists can't operate the same way. It speaks very highly of your character.
You guys did a much better job covering this than any of the "national" media. I'll name names. Gary Parrish, Rob Dauster for two. A bit of nuance that I've only seen Illinois media cover regarding Underwood playing him after the Temporary Restraining Order was issued. He had NO CHOICE of whether or not to play Shannon for non basketball reasons. He would have been in Contempt of Court for disobeying the TRO which reinstated Shannon with full student and athletic activities. Again, you guys did a good job of covering this story which was traumatic for all. You should take pride in that.
Not true. Go back and read the 38-page ruling. Or, if that is too long for you, read its 2-page conclusion. Lawless's injunction didn't require Underwood to play Shannon. She required the University lift Shannon's suspension and not suspend him again (or worse) without giving him due process, but Lawless left the choice of how to do that up to the University. Part of what Parrish did was blame the University, but I believe Parrish wrongly put it more on Underwood than made sense. Think about it. Is the University going to have their response to a high-profile court ruling be decided by the men's head basketball coach? Of course not. They also aren't going to ask the same AD, Josh Whitman, who just lost them that civil suit (due his policy and decision making) decide how to address the ruling. It was already higher than the DIA and involving the university chancellor and/or the university president working together with the university's legal team. Ultimately, U of I President Timothy Killeen bore responsibility for the University's choice of how to address the ruling. It was his choice to let Shannon continuing to play with no federal appeal and no accelerated investigation. Pres. Killeen decided the policy, based on consultation with his legal team, that Shannon would be treated as any other member of the basketball team. So, it was neither Lawless's ruling nor Underwood's choice, but rather Killeen's policy that allowed Shannon to play.
@@findlisa * What do you think TSJ would have done, if after being reinstated, he would not have been allowed to play? He would of sued Underwood, Whitman, and the U. of I. TSJ was not some third string player that could be hidden on the bench. Illinois was caught between a rock and a hard place. They had to play him or face more litigation, especially in light of TSJ's recent exoneration.
@@charlessmith4242 I agree with part of what you say here Charles. Shannon and his legal team certainly would have fought any U of I action that inhibited him from playing. But I don't agree with your conclusion that the University "had to play him", since even Judge Lawless left door open in several ways that they could lawfully suspended him or worse. Here's a list of those ways: (1) An accelerated investigation by the DIA that afforded Shannon more due process than AD Whitman's original policy had, like allowing Shannon or others to testify directly to the panel, releasing the names of those on the panel, etc. Whitman's policy never allowed for those things. (2) An accelerated OSCR investigation. The University did open an OSCR investigation on 1/8/2024, but it seemed to progress slowly, maybe since the U of I wanted it that way. At standard pace, it was expected to be concluded in 60 days, but there were options for extensions, so it had to be accelerated or else it couldn't have been concluded in time enough to matter. (3) a victory for the University in an appeal to Lawless's ruling, or (4) other possibilities related to these options or to the criminal case. So, yes, in the short term, Shannon probably would have played based partly on the injunction and since all of those options require some amount of time (weeks to a month or more, even when accelerated). But, no, when University President Timothy Killeen decided NOT to fight the federal court ruling and to issue the policy statement that dictated that Shannon must be treated like any other player and to make no immediate changes to DIA policy and slow-roll the OSCR investigation, then it meant President Killeen initiated a major change in DIA policy related to sexual offenses. It meant that AD Whitman's policy on zero tolerance (yes, what he preached to everyone about on 12/28) was over, and University had established a new lower-than-ever standard. If you are a student athlete who isn't yet convicted of a sex-related criminal charge and if you earn enough NIL money, then you can continue to represent the University of Illinois.
I'll step up as a Rutgers fan and apologize for my foaming at the mouth vitriol at him. I won't make excuses. Not even mad at the standing O he got for returning against RU and the steal and tomahawk jam with less than 2 min to go up 20 on the RU bench players. Best of luck to him and should easily be a lottery pick IMO
You know what..alot of those people that persecuted him are COWARDS and would never step up liKE you did. This Shows great character, holding yourself accountable. YOU GOT MY RESPECT HOMIE!!
Great video! Only thing I I’ll mention here is that Underwood did not have a choice to play Shannon. He had to return to his status before the charges were filed. Underwood likely plays him regardless of the injunction wording, in my opinion. You guys covered this better than 99.98% of the “media,” if not everyone that was not Illini specific. It’s a travesty that it happened at all. It’s a travesty that no one has printed a retraction or commented on it whatsoever. The silence is telling.
True for Underwood, but not true for the University of Illinois as a whole. Judge Lawless's ruling was based on the fact than Shannon wasn't afforded due process regarding his suspension by AD Josh Whitman and the 3-person DIA panel. Lawless clarified that that had Shannon been afforded due process in a manner similar to that of an OSCR investigation, then he could have been lawfully suspended or worse. University of Illinois President Timothy Killeen bears ultimate responsibility for how this was handled. A university spokesman issued a statement on how the University would respond to the injunction. In truth, the University had options to both fight the injunction (in a federal appeals court) or, in a number of ways, to comport with it. For example, one option they must have considered was modifying the DIA policy to comport with Lawless's ruling, such that Shannon could still be investigated in an accelerated manner that AD Josh Whitman claimed was essential on 12/28. Again, ultimately, University President Timothy Killeen bore that responsibility. In short, President Killeen set a new lower-than-ever standard concerning the conduct of University of Illinois student athletes and the university which they represent.
Let's be real clear Gary parrish and Matt Norlander both owe tsj the university of Illinois brad under wood and all the illini fans a huge apology period. They should be suspended or pulled from the cbs line up.
The fact is we don't know what happened that night. It is possible that someone did something to her in that bar and it wasn't TSJ. Put the torch down, realize your opinion in this matter does not matter, justice was served, TSJ can now focus on his NBA career.
@@killingacamera81 No, she needs to be charged. He lost all his NIL deals because of this, he could've killed himself because of this, people called him a rapist because of this, and this will follow him for the rest of his life because of this. Madi Neill needs to be charged and go to trial to make sure this actually happened to her. He had to pay to represent himself she didn't have do anything. If you heard the closing arguments about TSJ that respect went out the window.
@@tscott6321 You are wrong. He didn't lose all his NIL deals. We don't know what happened that night. What we do know is that TSJ did not harm this woman. That doesn't mean someone else didn't. I hope you are not one of the losers taking to social media badgering this woman. It is over; time to move on. TSJ and his family certainly are.
@@chuckd5819 false accusations on an innocent man. The DA and LPD needs to go back do the investigation again and find the right suspect or charge her with false accusations.
Gregory...I loved everything you said and pointed out. Sleepers has done an amazing job covering this very sensitive subject. TSJ has shown more character than anyone I've witnessed before in college athletics... and really as a human. I hope he crushes it in the NBA!
As a retired professor/attorney, I think outrage against the prosecution in this case is deserved. Finds the guy she accuses, after drinks, of course, no DNA, no evidence of any penetration (digital even) and a man’s life nearly destroyed. This was over-charged, with not actions taken by a truly quality prosecutor (in my experience, the best do this) would have said their was not sufficient evidence to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. It, as a prosecutor, I believed there was insufficient evidence to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, I SHOULD NOT RISK SEEKING THAT VERDICT, especially when an 18-year old has had several drinks, is guided & advised by a girl friend & others, and the defendant is far too often the easy target: a black male (one somewhat shy, with absolutely no character failures ever reported or suspected. I think the male prosecutor in particular, who should not have been allowed to even argue that “he is a rich, privileged athlete, at the top of the world” so find him guilty. Obviously, I paraphrased, but the comment made SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN ALLOWED, as it called for pure prejudice against athletes. I believe Terrence Shannon has already suffered financial loss and other damages that are irreparable. He could sue, but I doubt there are assets in her name sufficient to compensate a great kid. Even in California, I would not expect a court to allow such railroading.
i give you guys shit alot about my Illini . you guys covered this to perfection . forever a fan of you two ... next week i better get a video of the best recruiting class in the big ten lol
The Douglas County, Kansas district attorneys office should be ashamed of themselves for prosecuting this with the lack of evidence they had. Seems as though they need change in their DA office. Also it’s even more deplorable a grand jury pushed this case to trial.
No, forget the shame! They need to be brought up on charges and convicted off charges. They knew, he was innocent and she was lying but still charged, arrested and tried him in court. They tried multiple times to get him to plea to a deal! WTF! However, that is how this nation legal system operates historically against us black males.
You can call out those media people who gave Underwood a lot of crap for playing Terrence Shannon. We are looking at you Gary Parrish and Matt Norlander...or should I say Garbage Parrish b/c that's all he is at this point.
She texted: “got his ass 🤑🤑” would you text that when you got that happened. Also she got dna tested: no dna from Willams Jr. She should get 20 years minimum in jail
@@headhunterkingsteve You both miss my point, so I'll say it again ... I am not questioning the court's decision here ... I merely suggest that Cart and Greg did not even acknowledge the alleged victim's side, so I gave them a THUMBS DOWN!
In all honesty, protecting the “alleged victim” is crazy. Like sure don’t promote ppl to harass her but giving her any sympathy for almost ruining this kid’s life is nasty work. Cuz the trolling Shannon received is the same thing… but I get it. It’s not good for future S/A victims wanting to come forward. I just really believe something has to be done for falsely accusing someone of this heinous act. This guy has to deal with this for the rest of his life potentially still… and tbh , she is wrong and the consequences of her doing this is still never gonna reach the point of what Shannon affect will be.
At 15:36, Greg says, "That's an icky part of this." Not just icky, but illegal. Those actions, some of which Greg alluded to just before, like outing her or her friend, bashing her or her friend, making death threats against both women and those who supported them, can be prosecuted. It will be at the discretion of prosecutors to decide which of those crimes will be prosecuted.
To anyone who says the alleged victim (yes, she is still an alleged victim) should be sent to jail or punished harshly in some other way, we have no evidence that she committed any crime or lied about being assaulted. So just like TSJ deserved (but didnt always get) the benefit of innocence until guilty, so does the alleged victim. Otherwise, what you are saying is that we should tell any victim of rape that if the alleged rapist is found not guilty, they should go to jail.
Well said. The guys who want to illegally out and bash and threaten the alleged victim (or lawyers who fought on her behalf) are taking things to a hellish low. Is that what guys think is appropriate for people who aren't successful in pressing charges against an alleged perpetrator of sex crimes? BTW, most people that go through that stuff are not lying, even when their cases are dropped, or when their cases end, as Shannon's did, in acquittal. Unlike Cart said near the beginning of this video, the verdict in Shannon's case didn't mean the woman's allegations were false. Instead, the verdict just meant that Shannon was NOT guilty of the two charges he faced.
At 4:56, Greg says "Holy Shit! He went and drove himself to turn himself in." Did he, Greg? You mean in that car owned by the DIA and accompanied by multiple DIA staff members according to AD Josh Whitman on 12/28? Okay, I won't guarantee they never let him touch the wheel, but I doubt he did much driving. Keep in mind, their argument was that he can only go to the football game on 9/9/2023, if he doesn't do ANY driving, because of his falling-asleep-at the-wheel incident in Florida. Now Greg, seemingly, has Shannon driving 13 hours round-trip to Lawrence and back. I assure you, that didn't happen.
Stop letting people who falsely accuse get away with doing this crap. Is this man would’ve went to jail for 20 years and lost his career who is responsible for that? Stop putting a Band-Aid on these mean two people.
Gary Parrish is who I really want an apology from. That was deplorable what he said and now his silence on the subject is gross.
Parrish is so scummy for not saying a peep about it after acting like he was some paragon of morality
Pretty sure the entire back half of this video is directed at him.....rightfully so. Just ridiculous that TSJ went through what he went through this year and no one is apologizing.
GP had nothing but hate in his eyes.
I couldn't find any videos of this guy talking about Shannon. I don't even know who he is so really don't care. I especially don't care about what he didn't say but interested to hear what he did say. Thanks.
@@almarble1 ua-cam.com/video/hdDIq74vbos/v-deo.html
I agree his opinion doesn't matter to me, but he has a massive CBS sports platform. For people to use this as 'content' and then not follow up after the truth has come out is foundationally why people have issues with the media.
The false accusers of rape should get the same sentence that the accused would have gotten
It’s horrible that females make these false claims trying to get a bag they should definitely have some sort of punishment
Couldn’t agree more.
Terrence Shannon Jr, the person, just proved that he is a better man than basketball player. Tough, mature, collected, respectful. Just an outstanding human being by all accounts, and oh ya… he’s a killer on that court. Most mentally strong athlete I have ever rooted for. Rafters. Sharpie.
Oh gosh, yes! ... and let's declare him a living saint, let's create a prayer in his name ...
OMFG how truly lucky we are to have shared in the cleansing of these allegations ...
We need a Terrance Shannon statue ...
What am I missing?
Ha!
I’m going to get his jersey simply to support the man and his family as soon as he’s drafted
Retire his jersey for persevering through all this and being one of the best players in the nation
He was robbed out of B1G first team and AP 1st team All American
No, let's not retire his jersey ...
He's just another dumb bell jock who got himself in a pickle ...
One of my favorite moments in college basketball history. Big ten tournament. Crowd was chirping at TSJ, he had just been fouled after a transition fast break and got the foul call He looked at the fan, gave him that “jibber jabber” hand movement thing and says “keep talking”. Sank the shot. The very next possession-TSJ steals a pass and throws down a dunk, looks over at the opposing fan and winks.
What game?
My sympathy for the accuser ended with her reaction to the text messages in that group chat.
I was surprised too & I haven’t been focusing on this but the ball player named popped up on google
It’s been real quiet with the apologies from the BigTen schools who were calling TSJ something he wasn’t! And the whole “no means no” chants.
NCAA blackballed him that's the bad thing. He would have been 1st team all -american and a lot more honors
Just another dumb jock who got himself into a pickle ...
I couldn’t believe he did make the official all American teams. That was pathetic. I didn’t they have that pretty average Caleb Love over him? And Houston’s Pg who shoots like 40% on 11 ppg or something. Jamal Shead. No offense to either of those guys who slash 40/30, but Shannon was the best perimeter player in the entire country this year. 2nd in the nation in scoring. Sets the big10 tourney scoring mark, has 30+ in like idk 5 games in a row ? Dude literally dominated every single game with volume AND clutch scoring until UConn was just too much.!!
Ty Greg and Cart for your coverage of this case. You guys took the time to look into the details of this case and report on ot accurately. Terrence almost had his life snatched by a rogue DA but, thankfully, justice prevailed in his case. I pray he gets all the flowers he deserves now. What he did this season was generational imo.
Amen, well said Greg! False accusations can get an afro-american killed not just ruin his or her life. This was a horrible shame and the girl walked away free.
I said before this was no different from what happened to Emmitt Till and so many other blk men in America over the years
These charges should have never been brought. The evidence against TSJ was flimsy at best.
Flimsy. Didn't seem like there was an ounce of evidence except for the woman saying it happened.
The evidence was nonexistent. They charged him based on the alleged victims identification who admitted she did not see who did it and got his name from an internet search. The whole thing was a farce and the DA should be disbarred.
@@tjn2254guilty until proven innocent & he’s black
@@tjn2254yep. There literally wasn’t. It’s pure blatant anti Illinois bias or pure racism or both. It’s scary that this went to court? I don’t understand how it could. The evidence was:
No outside DNA found on woman.
Dollar sign emojis sent between girls friends talking about Terrence.
No video evidence he was ever close to her at the time she claimed.
No right hand tattoo on him that she claimed the assailant had.
Full denial of claims by everyone who was with Terrence at that bar that night.
There was another man who had the same hair that was in the bar that night. Also a 6 foot+ athelte who DID have a right hand tattoo.
But there was a white girl who went home, looked online at the roster of Illinois bball team?( how would she even know to do that!!!!!) and picked Shannon out from his photo due to his hair. Lol. And this went to trial.
I need to join the sleepers community. The way the 2 of you that have handled this has been epic. I need to support your community. Take my money
I find it rather peculiar that his court appearance was schedule one week before the NBA draft ...
Today even the judges need to be sequestered ... bet the ranch that an NBA-influencer on Nate Silver's staff had a little chat with the judge ...
Maybe even Nate himself gave him a call!
@@douglascarlson9006you do realize it’s a jury that found him guilty not a judge right? You realize the nba blackballed him right? You saw the actual evidence right? You saw there was no male dna found both in and around her after the alleged incident which the judgement has now proven it was all a lie right?
Terrance averaged 24 PPG post suspension (28PPG in the post season) with all of the hate and noise......all time great.
Underwood took a lot of heat… good for him.
Absolutely needs to be remembered.
Thank you for how you guys covered this, from start to finish. It was impeccable, and it's insane that actual journalists can't operate the same way. It speaks very highly of your character.
You guys did a much better job covering this than any of the "national" media. I'll name names. Gary Parrish, Rob Dauster for two.
A bit of nuance that I've only seen Illinois media cover regarding Underwood playing him after the Temporary Restraining Order was issued. He had NO CHOICE of whether or not to play Shannon for non basketball reasons. He would have been in Contempt of Court for disobeying the TRO which reinstated Shannon with full student and athletic activities.
Again, you guys did a good job of covering this story which was traumatic for all. You should take pride in that.
Not true. Go back and read the 38-page ruling. Or, if that is too long for you, read its 2-page conclusion. Lawless's injunction didn't require Underwood to play Shannon. She required the University lift Shannon's suspension and not suspend him again (or worse) without giving him due process, but Lawless left the choice of how to do that up to the University.
Part of what Parrish did was blame the University, but I believe Parrish wrongly put it more on Underwood than made sense. Think about it. Is the University going to have their response to a high-profile court ruling be decided by the men's head basketball coach? Of course not. They also aren't going to ask the same AD, Josh Whitman, who just lost them that civil suit (due his policy and decision making) decide how to address the ruling. It was already higher than the DIA and involving the university chancellor and/or the university president working together with the university's legal team. Ultimately, U of I President Timothy Killeen bore responsibility for the University's choice of how to address the ruling. It was his choice to let Shannon continuing to play with no federal appeal and no accelerated investigation. Pres. Killeen decided the policy, based on consultation with his legal team, that Shannon would be treated as any other member of the basketball team. So, it was neither Lawless's ruling nor Underwood's choice, but rather Killeen's policy that allowed Shannon to play.
@@findlisa * What do you think TSJ would have done, if after being reinstated, he would not have been allowed to play? He would of sued Underwood, Whitman, and the U. of I. TSJ was not some third string player that could be hidden on the bench. Illinois was caught between a rock and a hard place. They had to play him or face more litigation, especially in light of TSJ's recent exoneration.
@@charlessmith4242 I agree with part of what you say here Charles. Shannon and his legal team certainly would have fought any U of I action that inhibited him from playing. But I don't agree with your conclusion that the University "had to play him", since even Judge Lawless left door open in several ways that they could lawfully suspended him or worse.
Here's a list of those ways: (1) An accelerated investigation by the DIA that afforded Shannon more due process than AD Whitman's original policy had, like allowing Shannon or others to testify directly to the panel, releasing the names of those on the panel, etc. Whitman's policy never allowed for those things. (2) An accelerated OSCR investigation. The University did open an OSCR investigation on 1/8/2024, but it seemed to progress slowly, maybe since the U of I wanted it that way. At standard pace, it was expected to be concluded in 60 days, but there were options for extensions, so it had to be accelerated or else it couldn't have been concluded in time enough to matter. (3) a victory for the University in an appeal to Lawless's ruling, or (4) other possibilities related to these options or to the criminal case.
So, yes, in the short term, Shannon probably would have played based partly on the injunction and since all of those options require some amount of time (weeks to a month or more, even when accelerated). But, no, when University President Timothy Killeen decided NOT to fight the federal court ruling and to issue the policy statement that dictated that Shannon must be treated like any other player and to make no immediate changes to DIA policy and slow-roll the OSCR investigation, then it meant President Killeen initiated a major change in DIA policy related to sexual offenses. It meant that AD Whitman's policy on zero tolerance (yes, what he preached to everyone about on 12/28) was over, and University had established a new lower-than-ever standard. If you are a student athlete who isn't yet convicted of a sex-related criminal charge and if you earn enough NIL money, then you can continue to represent the University of Illinois.
I'll step up as a Rutgers fan and apologize for my foaming at the mouth vitriol at him. I won't make excuses. Not even mad at the standing O he got for returning against RU and the steal and tomahawk jam with less than 2 min to go up 20 on the RU bench players. Best of luck to him and should easily be a lottery pick IMO
I guess you are one of those I believe everything a woman says type of person
You know what..alot of those people that persecuted him are COWARDS and would never step up liKE you did. This Shows great character, holding yourself accountable. YOU GOT MY RESPECT HOMIE!!
Great video! Only thing I I’ll mention here is that Underwood did not have a choice to play Shannon. He had to return to his status before the charges were filed. Underwood likely plays him regardless of the injunction wording, in my opinion.
You guys covered this better than 99.98% of the “media,” if not everyone that was not Illini specific.
It’s a travesty that it happened at all. It’s a travesty that no one has printed a retraction or commented on it whatsoever.
The silence is telling.
True for Underwood, but not true for the University of Illinois as a whole. Judge Lawless's ruling was based on the fact than Shannon wasn't afforded due process regarding his suspension by AD Josh Whitman and the 3-person DIA panel. Lawless clarified that that had Shannon been afforded due process in a manner similar to that of an OSCR investigation, then he could have been lawfully suspended or worse.
University of Illinois President Timothy Killeen bears ultimate responsibility for how this was handled. A university spokesman issued a statement on how the University would respond to the injunction. In truth, the University had options to both fight the injunction (in a federal appeals court) or, in a number of ways, to comport with it. For example, one option they must have considered was modifying the DIA policy to comport with Lawless's ruling, such that Shannon could still be investigated in an accelerated manner that AD Josh Whitman claimed was essential on 12/28. Again, ultimately, University President Timothy Killeen bore that responsibility. In short, President Killeen set a new lower-than-ever standard concerning the conduct of University of Illinois student athletes and the university which they represent.
You two handled this like pros from start to finish. Great video. Thank you for all you do.
God bless this young man. So many apologies are owed to him. I am so glad just prevailed.
Let's be real clear Gary parrish and Matt Norlander both owe tsj the university of Illinois brad under wood and all the illini fans a huge apology period. They should be suspended or pulled from the cbs line up.
Would be surprised if the corona bros apologize . They r championship lvl virtue signalers.
Good job on this, but please call out Gary Parrish by name. He refuses to acknowledge how terrible his takes were
Shannon should sue this girl, at the very least, for reimbursement for the legal fees he had to pay out, if that is possible.
The “victim” should face charges imo!
The fact is we don't know what happened that night. It is possible that someone did something to her in that bar and it wasn't TSJ. Put the torch down, realize your opinion in this matter does not matter, justice was served, TSJ can now focus on his NBA career.
@@killingacamera81 No, she needs to be charged. He lost all his NIL deals because of this, he could've killed himself because of this, people called him a rapist because of this, and this will follow him for the rest of his life because of this. Madi Neill needs to be charged and go to trial to make sure this actually happened to her. He had to pay to represent himself she didn't have do anything. If you heard the closing arguments about TSJ that respect went out the window.
@@tscott6321Charged for what?
@@tscott6321 You are wrong. He didn't lose all his NIL deals. We don't know what happened that night. What we do know is that TSJ did not harm this woman. That doesn't mean someone else didn't. I hope you are not one of the losers taking to social media badgering this woman. It is over; time to move on. TSJ and his family certainly are.
@@chuckd5819 false accusations on an innocent man. The DA and LPD needs to go back do the investigation again and find the right suspect or charge her with false accusations.
Greg that false accuser needs to go to jail! Period!
One part of this I think that has gone unspoken is all the media opportunities he (and quite frankly the fans) missed out during their great season.
Gregory...I loved everything you said and pointed out. Sleepers has done an amazing job covering this very sensitive subject. TSJ has shown more character than anyone I've witnessed before in college athletics... and really as a human. I hope he crushes it in the NBA!
Good vid guys 🙌❤️
As a retired professor/attorney, I think outrage against the prosecution in this case is deserved. Finds the guy she accuses, after drinks, of course, no DNA, no evidence of any penetration (digital even) and a man’s life nearly destroyed. This was over-charged, with not actions taken by a truly quality prosecutor (in my experience, the best do this) would have said their was not sufficient evidence to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. It, as a prosecutor, I believed there was insufficient evidence to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, I SHOULD NOT RISK SEEKING THAT VERDICT, especially when an 18-year old has had several drinks, is guided & advised by a girl friend & others, and the defendant is far too often the easy target: a black male (one somewhat shy, with absolutely no character failures ever reported or suspected. I think the male prosecutor in particular, who should not have been allowed to even argue that “he is a rich, privileged athlete, at the top of the world” so find him guilty. Obviously, I paraphrased, but the comment made SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN ALLOWED, as it called for pure prejudice against athletes. I believe Terrence Shannon has already suffered financial loss and other damages that are irreparable. He could sue, but I doubt there are assets in her name sufficient to compensate a great kid. Even in California, I would not expect a court to allow such railroading.
He is one of if not the greatest line I have all time and has the best comeback story in all the sports
Getting blocked by Parrish was great. All for calling him out
That woman should be in jail for lying
Very well said from both guys
Well said Greg
The fake victim should be harassed online the rest of her life
Where is the accuser and best friend info at? Why do they get to hide? 😡
i give you guys shit alot about my Illini . you guys covered this to perfection . forever a fan of you two ... next week i better get a video of the best recruiting class in the big ten lol
Odd that Hunter Dickenson will now be applauded by Illinois fans if they somehow end up playing Kansas this year.
I'm not encouraging more litigation, I'd let it go. That said, he could let his lawyers go at it. Much culpability
The Douglas County, Kansas district attorneys office should be ashamed of themselves for prosecuting this with the lack of evidence they had. Seems as though they need change in their DA office. Also it’s even more deplorable a grand jury pushed this case to trial.
No, forget the shame! They need to be brought up on charges and convicted off charges. They knew, he was innocent and she was lying but still charged, arrested and tried him in court. They tried multiple times to get him to plea to a deal! WTF! However, that is how this nation legal system operates historically against us black males.
Couldn’t have said it any better myself especially the bullshit “media” guys being silent. Such a joke.
Appreciate the comments guys. Shannon displayed the highest character throughout. Classy kid...deserves his success.
Good Job guys!
Countersue!!!!!!
Great chick needs to go to jail
The way people have sucked-up to him here is beyond nauseating ...
Just another not-so-smart jock who got himself into a pickle ...
You can call out those media people who gave Underwood a lot of crap for playing Terrence Shannon. We are looking at you Gary Parrish and Matt Norlander...or should I say Garbage Parrish b/c that's all he is at this point.
Wait so what happened to the girl that lied?
Amen
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Will he ever get back the money and time that was taken from him ?
THUMBS DOWN guys for not giving a shred to the victim's side ...
She texted: “got his ass 🤑🤑” would you text that when you got that happened.
Also she got dna tested: no dna from Willams Jr.
She should get 20 years minimum in jail
I meant you don’t use money face emojis when saying you got 🍇
@@headhunterkingsteve You both miss my point, so I'll say it again ... I am not questioning the court's decision here ...
I merely suggest that Cart and Greg did not even acknowledge the alleged victim's side, so I gave them a THUMBS DOWN!
In all honesty, protecting the “alleged victim” is crazy. Like sure don’t promote ppl to harass her but giving her any sympathy for almost ruining this kid’s life is nasty work.
Cuz the trolling Shannon received is the same thing… but I get it. It’s not good for future S/A victims wanting to come forward. I just really believe something has to be done for falsely accusing someone of this heinous act. This guy has to deal with this for the rest of his life potentially still… and tbh , she is wrong and the consequences of her doing this is still never gonna reach the point of what Shannon affect will be.
At 15:36, Greg says, "That's an icky part of this." Not just icky, but illegal. Those actions, some of which Greg alluded to just before, like outing her or her friend, bashing her or her friend, making death threats against both women and those who supported them, can be prosecuted. It will be at the discretion of prosecutors to decide which of those crimes will be prosecuted.
A+ boys
Shannon NOT GUILTY one week before NBA draft ...
BUT OF COURSE! ... Ha!
To anyone who says the alleged victim (yes, she is still an alleged victim) should be sent to jail or punished harshly in some other way, we have no evidence that she committed any crime or lied about being assaulted. So just like TSJ deserved (but didnt always get) the benefit of innocence until guilty, so does the alleged victim. Otherwise, what you are saying is that we should tell any victim of rape that if the alleged rapist is found not guilty, they should go to jail.
Well said. The guys who want to illegally out and bash and threaten the alleged victim (or lawyers who fought on her behalf) are taking things to a hellish low. Is that what guys think is appropriate for people who aren't successful in pressing charges against an alleged perpetrator of sex crimes? BTW, most people that go through that stuff are not lying, even when their cases are dropped, or when their cases end, as Shannon's did, in acquittal. Unlike Cart said near the beginning of this video, the verdict in Shannon's case didn't mean the woman's allegations were false. Instead, the verdict just meant that Shannon was NOT guilty of the two charges he faced.
At 4:56, Greg says "Holy Shit! He went and drove himself to turn himself in." Did he, Greg? You mean in that car owned by the DIA and accompanied by multiple DIA staff members according to AD Josh Whitman on 12/28? Okay, I won't guarantee they never let him touch the wheel, but I doubt he did much driving. Keep in mind, their argument was that he can only go to the football game on 9/9/2023, if he doesn't do ANY driving, because of his falling-asleep-at the-wheel incident in Florida. Now Greg, seemingly, has Shannon driving 13 hours round-trip to Lawrence and back. I assure you, that didn't happen.
Cry much ?
Hahhah. No logic, bad attempt at logic, but fortunately of no significance.
@@SteveJohnson-di9cnWay to split hairs.
Stop letting people who falsely accuse get away with doing this crap. Is this man would’ve went to jail for 20 years and lost his career who is responsible for that? Stop putting a Band-Aid on these mean two people.