This happened to my 14 year old son. The girl who made the claims had done this to 6 other men and it took 2 years to prove she was a liar. It affected my sons school and he needs therapy now. People like that deserve the jail.
Ugh I am so sorry this happened to my sister In laws boyfriend as well. It's so utterly disgusting some women do this ! I 💯agree , they should be placed in prison
Two years to clear his name is obscene at fourteen years of age. One can only imagine the psychological damage inflicted. How could it have taken two years? Be sure to issue a Subject Access Request at both the Police National Computer and the local constabulary from which his case was handled. Find out exactly what has been written about your son. He has the right to “erasure” under the Data Protection Act and there is added emphasis to minors in this respect. It is crucial to have anything pertaining to this abuse purged, otherwise decades hence this will appear on a DBS certificate that could ruin his life chances. He’s done nothing wrong, but the personnel at the DBS are nasty, they will see it as their mission to destroy your son’s life on this basis.
I couldn’t agree more 🤨,… Like so many others, I was so thankful that Amber Heard was found guilty & exposed, and the lOvely Johnny Depp was able to regain his dignity/livelihood ⚖️
As someone who has been raped, find this women who accused these men, absolutely disgusting. They should be named and face the same stigma and consequences of their actions that the men they falsely accused face. My heart goes out to Jay's family, RIP Jay and Mum.
The law should be that when you accuse anyone falsely, you will definitely do some time in prison. Because you don’t destroy people’s lives forever and you walk away just like that!!
@@usimmigration2278yes it does. How there's not already a charge for falsely accusing someone of this amazes me. Women NEED to be held accountable for this. Too many men's lives are destroyed by these, and too many true victims have a more difficult time proving their cases. HOLD THESE LIARS ACCOUNTABLE!! 😡😡
Yes but perjury charges aren’t near as damaging as false accusations. That needs to change. Whatever the prison term is for the alleged crime is what the liar should have to serve if found to be lying. Remember not often do we hear of these people who were innocent as much as the charges first reported. So even if completely innocent the social consequences they face can stay with them for the rest of their lives. People will always be questioning about it as well. The damage this can create is huge. Also when the accuser is found to be a liar it makes it more difficult to believe victims as well. It’s just disgusting and unforgivable to lie about someone doing any kind of harm to you. I get that everyone lies from time to time but if the lie can ruin others lives that should be treated the same as what they accuse the other of doing. If you wouldn’t forgive and forget a rapist then liars who accuse other of rape shouldn’t be forgiven either.
Rape is an absolutely appalling crime that I believe is not punished severely enough. Falsely accusing someone of rape is on the same level and puts in jeopardy the legitimate cases of this awful crime.
I agree with your first statement, but think the false accusation can be a lot worse than the actual grape. The victim goes to prison and essentially loses the rest of his life as a free man. He could be graped many times during his prison stay or even murdered. After he gets out (if he does) he has to register as a SO and everyone would be assuming that he's a monster for the rest of his life. For a guy in that situation, he could suffer every day for the rest of his life. I can understand why many falsely accused men ultimately take their own lives.
@@LukeJaywalker-c8t all the consequences of a false accusation that you mention most definitely also apply to the genuine victims of these awful assaults. Their lives are effectively ruined by serious mental health issues and often will have to attend therapy sessions for the rest of their lives. There are also examples of many of them resorting to that “final” solution, so I cannot agree with your assessment that either situation is worse than the other, however I still believe that neither of them receive the punishment they deserve.
Then those who are found guilty of such crime should be jailed for 40 to 50 years. Otherwise you’ll make genuine victims that are male and female of reporting the crime , frightened of coming forward
How wicked, how sinister, how evil a "human being" must be to act like this to purposefully destroy another human being's life. Unbearable to me. I am so so sorry for these young men. My heart goes out to Jay's family and friends. RIP. 🕊
Was trying to find the right words, but you found them. Totaly agreed, so sad and this is so bad for others that realy went true it and need to be heard.
European women use to make false rape allegations about black men raping them, when they actually slept with them, these black men were murdered, hanged, genitals cut off, you let these women get away with it, now they have turned on you, feel bad for the guy who killed him self.
You'll notice not many care in these threads ( which is understandable ), but the amount of women who are ra@ed & the offender's never get brought to book far outweighs this. It doesn't make it any less of an issue for the men wrongly accused, but there's something just too easy for men to be accused & named & shamed while the accusers stay anonymous. It should be law that until it goes to court & is dealt with that both remain anonymous. My nephew actually was locked up on remand for an accusation & only was freed because the girls own father said it couldn't have happened because he was with her on time of the day. She got a caution....unbelievable!!! It is just as horrific for an innocent man to be accused as a victim to not get justice, IMO. Much more prevailant these day's than when I was a girl, but maybe it was under reported.
@@Cedawoodahh yes, whenever anything happens to men it's the same old cry from females, "bu-ba-but it is very rare" . Not a day goes by without females trying to downplay and silence male victims and when they get under reported they say it's rare, Really making a strong point why y'all didn't have human rights back in the day, you because you don't act like one.
I feel so bad for these young men. These young women should be held accountable for what they did. Not only does the accused suffer, but the justice system spends $$ on false accusations!!
I respectively disagree. I believe that anyone who can be proven to have falsely accused someone, the sentence should be twice the maximum sentence that would have been given had the defendant been found guilty. And they should have to register as a false witness for the rest of their lives
I've got to be honest and say this video really really upset me.... To see how they have all suffered so severely and traumatized is incomprehensible. Life will never be the same again for them and millions of ppl around the world who were effected by false allegations. Shoooo
How reprehensible that the complainant was not prosecuted. I say this as a woman who believes that people should be held accountable for attempting to destroy other people’s lives. This is not okay and should be taken very seriously. Shame on the person who made the false accusations and how lucky it was that Liam had a diligent defense attorney. Good luck with your life Liam and my hope is that you end up with someone who makes you proud.
These accusers who made false allegations have literally destroyed not just these men’s lives, but they have destroyed entire families! It’s disgusting that they will not face consequences for their actions.
False allegations are despicable. The perpetrators should be named and shamed publically. A full apology should be put on all media outlets by the Police and perp. My heart goes out to these victims. ❤ The perps need prosecuting to the fullest extent of the law and jailed. They need to pay compensation to their victims and be made to pay the costs of the Police enquiries, court costs etc. Maybe if the laws were tougher on these sicko's it may make them think twice about what they are doing. Good Luck to all the Victims ❤
Jay's side really upset me. If that happened to my brother and mum, I would never let those 2 things live it down for the rest of there lives,I hope karma hits them hard
This is EXTREMELY difficult to watch. My heart is breaking for this men. I haven't even been watching for very long 9:45 . It's so upsetting. The woman accusing this men of a crime that never happened should definitely be punished.
I know someone this happened to he’s a shell of the man he used to be. They accusers should serve the sentence that the accused would have had to have served had they been found guilty!
My heart aches for Jay's family, you can feel his sisters pain, that acuser and murderer should be in jail, held accountable for ruining the lives of Jay and his Mother and their loved ones. (Survivor)
Jay's accuser should be locked up for murder. I wonder how she's living with herself, knowing that she caused two deaths. Both, innocent people that would still be alive today if not for her.
“Believe women” is a norm put into place in progressive spaces to support victims in a world that generally does not support victims. It is not meant to be a fall back in investigative and criminal Justice arenas, and I don’t think it typically is. Victims of SA are denied justice in this world at a rate FAR higher than innocent men are falsely accused. That doesn’t mean false accusations aren’t a problem. They are. But it’s a big mistake to see it as either/or: Either listen to and support accusers OR listen to and support men who profess their innocence. As I said, “believe women” has a place in the discourse, in certain contexts and spaces. “Believe women without question, always and no matter what, even in criminal investigations” has NEVER been the message.
@CeeBee781 justice and victimhood is not and has never been gender specific. The phrase has no place in a just society and history proves me right time and time again.
You do not get to decide how words should be interpreted. That phrase is utterly wrong and the fact that you defend it shows you are either grossly misguided and morally lacking yourself. Allegations should always be "listened to" they should never be believed by anoyone until proof is provided. Your position would be laughable if it hadn't led to actual deaths, what is wrong with you???
@@CeeBee781 "Believe women" no matter whatever context you put it, is still wrong. The correct phrase should be "listen to anyone who has a claim" not just women. Don't just BELIEVE anything they say, BUT, diligently conduct an investigation and ONLY prosecute with CREDIBLE evidence.
@@CeeBee781 ahh yes the typical "they're very rare" Speech, That's what happens when you protect female r apists, abusers, criminals and offenders at the expense of male victims, They get underrepresented and rarely heard. So maybe try not to do that? I love how you go on about how "Believe all w*men" Is about victims who are not supported but it's really about females who already have an entire society built for their convenience, getting even more support. That's why it's used as a weapon to protect your fellow female rapists and abusers and silence their male victims.
Jay’s story is truly heartbreaking and I can’t begin the pain his sister has had to go through. Glad to know the other two young men’s names have been cleared however, I think it would be very important to sue the girls who falsely accused them of the rape so the laws are changed and those who commit such act on vengeance are legally and properly punished.
thats why i'm glad i'm not young and not dating anymore. i'd be petrified to date anyone today, theres even people out there saying that "oh if you regret it years later, it was still you-know-what"! no thank you sir. I feel real bad for the guys in this video. they didn't deserve any of it.
I'm in my mid 50s and I was falsely accused and falsely charged, my case was thrown out of court. Can't say to much at the moment because my incredible legal reps are looking into suing my accusers (Mother and Son) and something concerning the police. So many of us Men and boys are being falsely accused and this has to stop, it's devastating and cruel. Will let you know more in coming months.
Heart wrenching cases 😢! My heart breaks for Jay's family. I was genuinely relieved when Liam's attorney had the backbone to ask for the evidence she asked for that ultimately proved his innocence. And Ashley's accuser evidently chickened out after successfully hurting him deeply. This stuff is real folks, and it's happening everyday to young people and older ones too. And it's truly devastating to be falsely accused of anything, let alone something like sexual assault. I know these young men's lives have been forever changed, the ones that lived through it at all. There will always be trust issues and anyone can understand why. It would be my hope that they would take action to bring awareness of these things to others. Perhaps younger teenaged boys could be warned by actual former victims of false accusations and really have a positive impact. Knowledge is power and armed with knowledge and armed with the truth, one can succeed and maybe leave their world a bit better than they found it to be for them. Liam and Ashley, stay strong, live strong, learn what you can from the injustices you yourselves suffered and turn it 'round so that it is a positive, not a negative. 💙 🙏
False allegations are horrendous. Unfortunately people have also seen it as an opportunity to use it as a weapon. I think is where the victim mentality comes in
Anyone who tries to ruin someone's life should go to jail just like the SUPPOSEDLY accused and serve ALL the time that the innocent would have been dealt!
This is why I never let my husband drive a babysitter home and I always warned my sons about false accusations possibility and advised them never to put themselves in situations that this could happen
Its the same situation in the U.S., tons of bogus sex assault allegations on practically a daily basis. My friend was accused of rape when we were teenagers. The girl in question was not raped, she in fact willingly had sex with him like 5X in a single day, was laughing and giggling the entire time. Her story quickly started to fall apart after both myself and her own friend told the cops it was all a lie. She then admitted she made it all up, was charged with a felony for falsely reporting a crime that never happened. But all too often people are convicted on hearsay, its disgraceful. If someone claims they were raped, DNA evidence would easily prove whether or not it actually happened or not. No one should be convicted with no evidence, its just lunacy. Either something happened or it didnt.
The British might do a documentary like this but the American media will not. Some of the Brits actually still love their men as fathers, sons, brothers, nephews, uncles and cousins. There is little negative drawback for the false accusser so what is stopping them in a moral corrupt world? Young men, be careful and learn how to run.....
OMG another insurrectionist. America and Britain are two different countries. You don’t know how lucky you are. Britten is connected by land to other continents and have a very different problem there. Rapes are much more common there, it’s hard to know who’s lying when there’s 60k recorded assaults. Americans are making their own problems and shitting their own selves. No common sense here. And false reporting is on much smaller scale. What we do have, is more killing of our own than any other democracy. Britts didn’t sell their souls to the devil, they have more common sense and don’t choose guns over kids. And nvm assaults, they aren’t even allowed to buy American meat or dairy products. I know it feels good talking about problems we don’t have while ignoring the ones that we do. As a liberal, not Gen Z idiot. We’re common sense people and believe in borders and family values. I don’t know what’s happening all the way on the left with them terrorist supporters but the far right isn’t any different. I heard myself them singing “Jews will not replace us..” so when you lead country on hate, you get the results that we do. I believe in my bodily autonomy AND I believe abortion shouldn’t be an escape from responsibility. Should be used only when necessary. I believe that America was built by immigrants and that we should treat people humanly, but I also believe that borders should exist and the process should be regulated. I don’t follow anybody’s script. But I tell y’all one thing, WHEN this country collapses, you and I and all of us will be living in a twisted version of The Man in the High Castle, licking crumbs of the floor. Because y’all won’t be able to feed your kids with Kalashnikovs. It’s better to have a country that might need fixing, instead of have no country at all.
As far as I know a lot of women still love their sons and daughters and their husbands. I lost mine in 2009 due to a very bad car accident but I think of him every day
@@CeciliaMcDonald-k1h So sorry for your loss. I should have been more specific. The majority of people love the good men in their lives from all countries. Unfortunately, in America currently, white men are mostly hated by a minority that yields most of the political, social and media power. The court systems reflect it and so do the documentaries and shows. Even though they are Left leaning in many ways in Britain like the US, they still show they love their men more in their programming and film production decisions. I rarely watch Hollywood productions anymore for that reason
No there's a terrible class system here in Britian where the toffs want us to look like criminals. They own the newspapers and will take the side of the woman so guilty until proven innocent. At least in the US they release police interviews whereas here it's not, so corruption is concealed until it get so bad that they have to make a documentary
Nor does America protect their women and children from predators so you can hang up on the idea that men need protection from false allegations. Do women lie? Yes, they do. Should there be FAR WORSE consequences for people who lie about being assaulted? Yes, there should be far harsher consequences for liars. But there should be far harsher penalties the very FIRST TIME that somebody assaults another.
I was falsely accused of something similar, proven innocent. But the name stucks. I still get threats to be stabbed and have my house burned down with my children inside to this day. Considered suicide, struggle to go out, its a permanent punishment for something you havent done. I am a woman and i now know how bad men must feeo when they are accused
This all started with the MeToo movement. And honestly, accounts like these remove the attention from real victims. Having to live in fear like this, knowing your life might be over because someone woke up one day and decided to ruin your life, must be such a horrific feeling.
What a sad and traumatising case for all involved. Jay, utterly heart-breaking RIP young man! Are there no law/s in the UK for those that cried false rape be prosecuted?? Sadly, the mental damage remains for these lovely young men!! Pray they do heal from this traumatic incident. Greetings from South Africa!
Such terrible stories so sad for all these family's as well as the boys ..Jay and Jay's Mum gone too his poor sister left to deal with the deaths ..what a nightmare ,we would all get deeply affected if our family member was accused ..just too sad for words ..when its just not true .
It truly ruins peoples lives when there falsely accused. Even if they eventually don't get charged & its found that it wasn't true. It carries with them for the rest of there lives & effects them physically, emotionally, & mentally forever! Its so heartbreaking.
I'm sorry to hear that. You didn't deserve that. The woman who did this to you will reap what she sowed. Just to let you know, and you might even be an atheist, but The Lord Jesus Christ loves you with perfect love. The Lord Jesus Christ will give you full peace and healing in your heart, soul, and mind.
I got not guilty in court and they found I was innocent and she was lying but I know there are some men that aren’t lucky and some men go to prison for things they haven’t done just have to keep faith
$5000?? Im out $150,000 plus a 6 figure career and 6 years of my life.... Plus The prosecutor, Judge, "victim lawyers" "victim coaches" and especially my lawyer all got paid huge for something that never happened. False accusations are BIG business... no wonder "they" don't want to stop it.
Even just the false accusation of being a r*pist to a man will ruin his life, career.. everything .. nothing will ever be the same in that man’s life again..and saddest part is the accuser never gets held accountable for lying about it. The liars should face jail time at minimum
Be very careful of signs in a relationship that show no respect or when people don’t respect your boundaries. How mortifying for this young man, I hope he will,one day be able to move on with his life and have a loving relationship. My heart goes out to him.
@@sunflowerangeldjoan1921 There is no way of determining a Karen from a non-Karen until you are being accused. All women appear sweet and innocent until a Karen destroys your life.
Liam's case never should have even been prosecuted. If the prosecutor's cannot see through a false allegation that Public Q can easily see through, they do not need to be prosecuting anything and one can argue they shouldn't even be attorneys.
What ever happened to wasting police time.. it should be the women falsely amusing should get prosicuted for wasting police time... they walk away with zero damage. This is what is wrong.
To ruin someone’s life, change your mind then go on with your life without consequence is insane! The accused has his life ruined. It’s such a big thing in someone’s life!
I feel such sadness for these dear boys. Their lives and reputations stolen and also held hostage to the lengthy waiting time for their freedom to be restored in society and before the Courts. These abhorrent liars should be charged and also for defamation. May these boys find peace in their hearts and go on to live a beautiful life. Stand tall and be proud that you spoke out to show the devestation to innocent boys' lives by more than evil, malicious monsters in skirts.
Who makes false allegations should be jailed! And they should be listed so other men will know about that person what she done to others.... To put people in jail n they are innocent they have to be heartless monsters
I am terrified every day that this could happen to me or my male friends. I hate how a woman can just i did something and my life can be destroyed because of how people think the woman is always telling the truth no question
This happens more often than you may think. One should be even more suspicious of accusations that aren’t reported to the police but submitted to the court of public opinion, often including HR of the accused’s workplace. The result is (mostly) psychological mob violence (twitter, Facebook, blogs, podcasts, online “journalism,” often spilling into mainstream media. The devastation of the life of the accused and his family is incalculable. Of the two people close to me that were falsely accused, one was rendered unemployable, his spouse had a nervous breakdown, his children (in high school at the time) became social outcasts, which caused both of them to have their educational paths ruined and because the parents had virtually no income (in spite of having terminal degrees) and both kids had to support themselves working minimum wage jobs AND somehow finance their own education, which by necessity started at community college and took YEARS of living in poverty, struggling for every crumb and paying for both your bills and your education when you earn $7/hr is not easy, so check your fucking platitudes about “hard work” at the door. Meanwhile, as the falsely accused ages, he hasn’t had either health insurance or dental insurance for over a decade, so he’s lost some teeth (ahem, YOU try to get a full time job with benefits in the US when you’re on the wrong side of middle age, are an immigrant with a strange name and your grin is, well, less than “toothy”), hasn’t had a lick of preventative care beyond the free covid vaccines… Did I mention the near total abandonment of “friends” and colleagues, many of whom wouldn’t be where they are (professionally) without this guy’s very generous support? The other case is equally unjust but at least there wasn’t the relentless public shaming. Basically, two people who worked at the same very prestigious institution were BFFs outside of work. They worked in different departments but occasionally crossed paths professionally and often kept in contact personally. Basically, they got in an argument (within the context of their personal friendship) and although their argument unfolded exactly like other past arguments, one person went to HR and accused the other person of “stalking.” The behavior doesn’t meet any definition of stalking: not institutional, not moral, not even practical. And the person who was falsely accused of stalking actually got fired! This case is ongoing and the wrongfully accused has the benefit of evidence on their side. Just a post script: Sue a side is a very real and dangerous consequence of false accusations. I’m not aware of ANY educational campaign that warns of the potential harm of false accusations and public shaming. It seems to me it should be part of any anti-bullying efforts that, ironically, are so common in the US, even as interpersonal and domestic violence claim more and more victims every day. The program here from the BBC is excellent. I hope it is widely watched. There is enough fodder here for an investigative journalist to do some Pulitzer worthy work.
I think the system should change in the name of justice. These men lost their everything instantly just because of some crazy accusation. What my opinion is that even the person who is accusing someone over something should be taken through a lie detector test(This might probably reduce the chances of false accusations. I have no knowledge whether it's been used just like that.)
False allegations need to put in jail.they ruin your reputations,job,and everything.the sentence should be same a rapist.since they accuse the person as rapist.women or men!
As a woman who had something really terrible happen to me this sickens me and even enrages me. This is taking women backwards and causing more women who have been abused to not be believed and I suspect that this is why this is being allowed to occur. These women need to be charged with these false allegations to the fullest extent possible and other women need to shun these women and looked at like the criminals that commit the crimes that they are accusing these men of. I hope these men have been cleared by now and they have been able to put their lives back together. Also karma has a funny way of finding people who do horrible things to others. Also I hope Jays family has found some peace.
I understand with these men are going through. I myself was falsely accused of inappropriate touching by someone who I thought who is my friend although she starts slightly doing it to me first. It was in 2019.
It’s interesting that two of these cases the girl withdrew the case…. Makes me wonder if they were always going to withdraw it because it didn’t happen… but they made the complaint and dragged it out because they know the damage they will cause and they know they will never be pursued or charged with false allegations. These cases are the exact reason men should always be considered innocent until guilty. I feel so bad for that girl who lost her brother and mother as a result… that complainant SHOULD be hauled through the courts.
I honestly believe that anyone who takes the time to make false allegations should face the same amount of jail time that the accused wouod have had to serve...point blank😤😤! This is such a scary world we live in.
This happened to my 14 year old son. The girl who made the claims had done this to 6 other men and it took 2 years to prove she was a liar. It affected my sons school and he needs therapy now. People like that deserve the jail.
That's absolutely disgusting your poor son 😢
Ugh I am so sorry this happened to my sister In laws boyfriend as well. It's so utterly disgusting some women do this ! I 💯agree , they should be placed in prison
Two years to clear his name is obscene at fourteen years of age. One can only imagine the psychological damage inflicted. How could it have taken two years?
Be sure to issue a Subject Access Request at both the Police National Computer and the local constabulary from which his case was handled. Find out exactly what has been written about your son. He has the right to “erasure” under the Data Protection Act and there is added emphasis to minors in this respect. It is crucial to have anything pertaining to this abuse purged, otherwise decades hence this will appear on a DBS certificate that could ruin his life chances. He’s done nothing wrong, but the personnel at the DBS are nasty, they will see it as their mission to destroy your son’s life on this basis.
And that there kids is how I became a catholic priest 🥵
This is the the future y'all women provided by whining "believe all women" to your sons, hope the kid enjoys his life :)
These women should be named and shamed! This is disgusting!
Jailed as well criminally charged.
Exactly
Evil....false accusers are Devil's....as are real rapists, how does anyone do this to innocent Men 😥😥😡😢🤬
I couldn’t agree more 🤨,… Like so many others, I was so thankful that Amber Heard was found guilty & exposed, and the lOvely Johnny Depp was able to regain his dignity/livelihood ⚖️
Publication Ban will be placed and very difficult to remove
As someone who has been raped, find this women who accused these men, absolutely disgusting. They should be named and face the same stigma and consequences of their actions that the men they falsely accused face. My heart goes out to Jay's family, RIP Jay and Mum.
The law should be that when you accuse anyone falsely, you will definitely do some time in prison. Because you don’t destroy people’s lives forever and you walk away just like that!!
Unfortunately women can.
@@jessestewart169 needs to change!!
@@usimmigration2278yes it does. How there's not already a charge for falsely accusing someone of this amazes me. Women NEED to be held accountable for this. Too many men's lives are destroyed by these, and too many true victims have a more difficult time proving their cases.
HOLD THESE LIARS ACCOUNTABLE!! 😡😡
👆🏻👏🏻👏🏻👍
Those who make false accusations should be charged..
Yes as this man's character was raped
People who lie in court when they are testifying can be charged with perjury
Yes but perjury charges aren’t near as damaging as false accusations. That needs to change. Whatever the prison term is for the alleged crime is what the liar should have to serve if found to be lying. Remember not often do we hear of these people who were innocent as much as the charges first reported. So even if completely innocent the social consequences they face can stay with them for the rest of their lives. People will always be questioning about it as well. The damage this can create is huge. Also when the accuser is found to be a liar it makes it more difficult to believe victims as well. It’s just disgusting and unforgivable to lie about someone doing any kind of harm to you. I get that everyone lies from time to time but if the lie can ruin others lives that should be treated the same as what they accuse the other of doing. If you wouldn’t forgive and forget a rapist then liars who accuse other of rape shouldn’t be forgiven either.
@@jodylaing9350Named. Named in exactly the same way .
And jailed
Rape is an absolutely appalling crime that I believe is not punished severely enough. Falsely accusing someone of rape is on the same level and puts in jeopardy the legitimate cases of this awful crime.
I agree with your first statement, but think the false accusation can be a lot worse than the actual grape. The victim goes to prison and essentially loses the rest of his life as a free man. He could be graped many times during his prison stay or even murdered. After he gets out (if he does) he has to register as a SO and everyone would be assuming that he's a monster for the rest of his life. For a guy in that situation, he could suffer every day for the rest of his life. I can understand why many falsely accused men ultimately take their own lives.
@@LukeJaywalker-c8t all the consequences of a false accusation that you mention most definitely also apply to the genuine victims of these awful assaults. Their lives are effectively ruined by serious mental health issues and often will have to attend therapy sessions for the rest of their lives. There are also examples of many of them resorting to that “final” solution, so I cannot agree with your assessment that either situation is worse than the other, however I still believe that neither of them receive the punishment they deserve.
@@LukeJaywalker-c8t sorry, I thought that my post had been deleted so I tried to word it differently.
@@LukeJaywalker-c8t They also get zero support.
nah false accusations do more damage
Anyone wrongly accusing anyone of that needs to go away for 40 to 50 years.
Yes. I don't see why they should be absolved of any responsibility. Disgusting
Then those who are found guilty of such crime should be jailed for 40 to 50 years. Otherwise you’ll make genuine victims that are male and female of reporting the crime , frightened of coming forward
How wicked, how sinister, how evil a "human being" must be to act like this to purposefully destroy another human being's life. Unbearable to me.
I am so so sorry for these young men. My heart goes out to Jay's family and friends. RIP. 🕊
I totally 💯 agree pal 👍
Was trying to find the right words, but you found them.
Totaly agreed, so sad and this is so bad for others that realy went true it and need to be heard.
European women use to make false rape allegations about black men raping them, when they actually slept with them, these black men were murdered, hanged, genitals cut off, you let these women get away with it, now they have turned on you, feel bad for the guy who killed him self.
Why aren't the accusers being held accountable?
Once proven innocent, something should be done.
You can’t be proven innocent. Only not guilty
@@cv003799 I hear you, you can only get an innocent verdict when it's gone through the courts,
It’s the accused who should accuse the woman for false accusations
@@cv003799 you didn't hear about "Innocent until proven guilty" did ya? And if PROVEN not guilty it consequently means that proven innocent as well.
gynocentrism
Not only do they destroy the falsely accused, but also the case for all women, who really had to go through a rape.
You'll notice not many care in these threads ( which is understandable ), but the amount of women who are ra@ed & the offender's never get brought to book far outweighs this. It doesn't make it any less of an issue for the men wrongly accused, but there's something just too easy for men to be accused & named & shamed while the accusers stay anonymous.
It should be law that until it goes to court & is dealt with that both remain anonymous.
My nephew actually was locked up on remand for an accusation & only was freed because the girls own father said it couldn't have happened because he was with her on time of the day. She got a caution....unbelievable!!!
It is just as horrific for an innocent man to be accused as a victim to not get justice, IMO.
Much more prevailant these day's than when I was a girl, but maybe it was under reported.
@@Cedawoodahh yes, whenever anything happens to men it's the same old cry from females, "bu-ba-but it is very rare" . Not a day goes by without females trying to downplay and silence male victims and when they get under reported they say it's rare,
Really making a strong point why y'all didn't have human rights back in the day, you because you don't act like one.
Boohoo to your hypothetical victims.
It is just like in soccer, where divers affect those who are genuinely injured.
@@Cedawood false accusations are far more prevalent than u think luv
I feel so bad for these young men. These young women should be held accountable for what they did. Not only does the accused suffer, but the justice system spends $$ on false accusations!!
False allegations should be punished just as those charged with the supposedly heinous crimes!!! Awful!!
I respectively disagree. I believe that anyone who can be proven to have falsely accused someone, the sentence should be twice the maximum sentence that would have been given had the defendant been found guilty. And they should have to register as a false witness for the rest of their lives
@@cwavt8849 agreed
I've got to be honest and say this video really really upset me.... To see how they have all suffered so severely and traumatized is incomprehensible. Life will never be the same again for them and millions of ppl around the world who were effected by false allegations. Shoooo
Those Girls should be in Jail.., and Post Their Pictures and Names on this documentary..., Period
How reprehensible that the complainant was not prosecuted. I say this as a woman who believes that people should be held accountable for attempting to destroy other people’s lives. This is not okay and should be taken very seriously. Shame on the person who made the false accusations and how lucky it was that Liam had a diligent defense attorney. Good luck with your life Liam and my hope is that you end up with someone who makes you proud.
These accusers who made false allegations have literally destroyed not just these men’s lives, but they have destroyed entire families! It’s disgusting that they will not face consequences for their actions.
When I learned all three, of their cases, ALL THREE, were NEVER recorded as false accusations, I was demolished. 😱😳🤯😭😭😭😭😭😭😭.
Respectfully, Angry.
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Wow 😢
False allegations are despicable. The perpetrators should be named and shamed publically. A full apology should be put on all media outlets by the Police and perp. My heart goes out to these victims. ❤ The perps need prosecuting to the fullest extent of the law and jailed. They need to pay compensation to their victims and be made to pay the costs of the Police enquiries, court costs etc. Maybe if the laws were tougher on these sicko's it may make them think twice about what they are doing. Good Luck to all the Victims ❤
I totally agree with every word you said.
It’s disgusting how people can just ruin someone’s life with no evidence.
I agree... Mud sticks & it can ruin someone's life & reputation! It's cruel & malicious!
Just say women
*women
@@TheeGemstone when its men they say men, when its women they say people
@@spiff1 true
Jay’s accuser will now love the rest of her life as a murderer.
@@mircovestner7982and she didn't even come clean and offer an apology.
The poor lad, and his family and loved ones 😢
I feel so horrible for her.
She lost two people so close to her.
she doesnt care. its why people like that should be dealt with personally. shes probably having a laugh about with her friends
Jay's side really upset me. If that happened to my brother and mum, I would never let those 2 things live it down for the rest of there lives,I hope karma hits them hard
This is EXTREMELY difficult to watch. My heart is breaking for this men. I haven't even been watching for very long 9:45 . It's so upsetting. The woman accusing this men of a crime that never happened should definitely be punished.
I know someone this happened to he’s a shell of the man he used to be. They accusers should serve the sentence that the accused would have had to have served had they been found guilty!
Hold your head up high. I believe you. You are a good man.Dont let her hate hold you back in life.
I'm so sorry these young men went through this! How evil of these girls. May Jay r.i.p 😢💔💔
My heart aches for Jay's family, you can feel his sisters pain, that acuser and murderer should be in jail, held accountable for ruining the lives of Jay and his Mother and their loved ones. (Survivor)
So why the hell does she get to testify behind a screen & poor Liam gets *blasted* in front of everyone in the courtroom??
Feminists
Jay's accuser should be locked up for murder. I wonder how she's living with herself, knowing that she caused two deaths. Both, innocent people that would still be alive today if not for her.
We need a false accuser registry
This makes me mad ,sad, and angry… these poor men
The average case now takes, at least 2 1/2 YEARS before it’s heard in court! 🤬
The system is so wrong for everyone involved!
Is there a false allegation registry? That should be a thing.
And this is why is "Don't listen just belive her" movement is utterly wrong and morally reprehensible!!!.
“Believe women” is a norm put into place in progressive spaces to support victims in a world that generally does not support victims. It is not meant to be a fall back in investigative and criminal Justice arenas, and I don’t think it typically is. Victims of SA are denied justice in this world at a rate FAR higher than innocent men are falsely accused. That doesn’t mean false accusations aren’t a problem. They are. But it’s a big mistake to see it as either/or: Either listen to and support accusers OR listen to and support men who profess their innocence.
As I said, “believe women” has a place in the discourse, in certain contexts and spaces. “Believe women without question, always and no matter what, even in criminal investigations” has NEVER been the message.
@CeeBee781 justice and victimhood is not and has never been gender specific. The phrase has no place in a just society and history proves me right time and time again.
You do not get to decide how words should be interpreted. That phrase is utterly wrong and the fact that you defend it shows you are either grossly misguided and morally lacking yourself. Allegations should always be "listened to" they should never be believed by anoyone until proof is provided.
Your position would be laughable if it hadn't led to actual deaths, what is wrong with you???
@@CeeBee781 "Believe women" no matter whatever context you put it, is still wrong. The correct phrase should be "listen to anyone who has a claim" not just women. Don't just BELIEVE anything they say, BUT, diligently conduct an investigation and ONLY prosecute with CREDIBLE evidence.
@@CeeBee781 ahh yes the typical "they're very rare" Speech,
That's what happens when you protect female r apists, abusers, criminals and offenders at the expense of male victims,
They get underrepresented and rarely heard.
So maybe try not to do that?
I love how you go on about how "Believe all w*men" Is about victims who are not supported
but it's really about females who already have an entire society built for their convenience, getting even more support.
That's why it's used as a weapon to protect your fellow female rapists and abusers and silence their male victims.
Jay’s story is truly heartbreaking and I can’t begin the pain his sister has had to go through.
Glad to know the other two young men’s names have been cleared however, I think it would be very important to sue the girls who falsely accused them of the rape so the laws are changed and those who commit such act on vengeance are legally and properly punished.
I believe the percentage of false accusations could be much higher than most people think.
thats why i'm glad i'm not young and not dating anymore. i'd be petrified to date anyone today, theres even people out there saying that "oh if you regret it years later, it was still you-know-what"! no thank you sir. I feel real bad for the guys in this video. they didn't deserve any of it.
some states have limitations so that can't happen. here in NY it is 7 years.
I'm in my mid 50s and I was falsely accused and falsely charged, my case was thrown out of court. Can't say to much at the moment because my incredible legal reps are looking into suing my accusers (Mother and Son) and something concerning the police. So many of us Men and boys are being falsely accused and this has to stop, it's devastating and cruel. Will let you know more in coming months.
Heart wrenching cases 😢! My heart breaks for Jay's family. I was genuinely relieved when Liam's attorney had the backbone to ask for the evidence she asked for that ultimately proved his innocence. And Ashley's accuser evidently chickened out after successfully hurting him deeply. This stuff is real folks, and it's happening everyday to young people and older ones too. And it's truly devastating to be falsely accused of anything, let alone something like sexual assault. I know these young men's lives have been forever changed, the ones that lived through it at all. There will always be trust issues and anyone can understand why. It would be my hope that they would take action to bring awareness of these things to others. Perhaps younger teenaged boys could be warned by actual former victims of false accusations and really have a positive impact. Knowledge is power and armed with knowledge and armed with the truth, one can succeed and maybe leave their world a bit better than they found it to be for them. Liam and Ashley, stay strong, live strong, learn what you can from the injustices you yourselves suffered and turn it 'round so that it is a positive, not a negative. 💙 🙏
False allegations are horrendous. Unfortunately people have also seen it as an opportunity to use it as a weapon. I think is where the victim mentality comes in
western females are heavily incentivised to behave like this
This is so f****** hard to watch, absolutely heartbreaking 💔
Again, those who make these false accusations should be charged.
RIP Jay 🙏 ♥ 🙏 ♥ 🙏
These are horrible young women.
Why are they not charged?
20+ years for any false allegations.
Men are in danger, this situation is getting worse and worse
Ruining a man's life just to stop u getting caught cheating is the lowest scum vile thing Iv heard
Anyone who tries to ruin someone's life should go to jail just like the SUPPOSEDLY accused and serve ALL the time that the innocent would have been dealt!
This is why I never let my husband drive a babysitter home and I always warned my sons about false accusations possibility and advised them never to put themselves in situations that this could happen
Yuppp. This happened to me as well.
The best thing you can do is ask for a lawyer as soon as possible and never answer questions.
Its the same situation in the U.S., tons of bogus sex assault allegations on practically a daily basis. My friend was accused of rape when we were teenagers. The girl in question was not raped, she in fact willingly had sex with him like 5X in a single day, was laughing and giggling the entire time. Her story quickly started to fall apart after both myself and her own friend told the cops it was all a lie. She then admitted she made it all up, was charged with a felony for falsely reporting a crime that never happened. But all too often people are convicted on hearsay, its disgraceful. If someone claims they were raped, DNA evidence would easily prove whether or not it actually happened or not. No one should be convicted with no evidence, its just lunacy. Either something happened or it didnt.
The British might do a documentary like this but the American media will not. Some of the Brits actually still love their men as fathers, sons, brothers, nephews, uncles and cousins. There is little negative drawback for the false accusser so what is stopping them in a moral corrupt world? Young men, be careful and learn how to run.....
OMG another insurrectionist. America and Britain are two different countries. You don’t know how lucky you are. Britten is connected by land to other continents and have a very different problem there. Rapes are much more common there, it’s hard to know who’s lying when there’s 60k recorded assaults. Americans are making their own problems and shitting their own selves. No common sense here. And false reporting is on much smaller scale. What we do have, is more killing of our own than any other democracy. Britts didn’t sell their souls to the devil, they have more common sense and don’t choose guns over kids. And nvm assaults, they aren’t even allowed to buy American meat or dairy products. I know it feels good talking about problems we don’t have while ignoring the ones that we do. As a liberal, not Gen Z idiot. We’re common sense people and believe in borders and family values. I don’t know what’s happening all the way on the left with them terrorist supporters but the far right isn’t any different. I heard myself them singing “Jews will not replace us..” so when you lead country on hate, you get the results that we do. I believe in my bodily autonomy AND I believe abortion shouldn’t be an escape from responsibility. Should be used only when necessary. I believe that America was built by immigrants and that we should treat people humanly, but I also believe that borders should exist and the process should be regulated. I don’t follow anybody’s script. But I tell y’all one thing, WHEN this country collapses, you and I and all of us will be living in a twisted version of The Man in the High Castle, licking crumbs of the floor. Because y’all won’t be able to feed your kids with Kalashnikovs. It’s better to have a country that might need fixing, instead of have no country at all.
As far as I know a lot of women still love their sons and daughters and their husbands. I lost mine in 2009 due to a very bad car accident but I think of him every day
@@CeciliaMcDonald-k1h So sorry for your loss. I should have been more specific. The majority of people love the good men in their lives from all countries. Unfortunately, in America currently, white men are mostly hated by a minority that yields most of the political, social and media power. The court systems reflect it and so do the documentaries and shows. Even though they are Left leaning in many ways in Britain like the US, they still show they love their men more in their programming and film production decisions. I rarely watch Hollywood productions anymore for that reason
No there's a terrible class system here in Britian where the toffs want us to look like criminals. They own the newspapers and will take the side of the woman so guilty until proven innocent. At least in the US they release police interviews whereas here it's not, so corruption is concealed until it get so bad that they have to make a documentary
Nor does America protect their women and children from predators so you can hang up on the idea that men need protection from false allegations. Do women lie? Yes, they do. Should there be FAR WORSE consequences for people who lie about being assaulted? Yes, there should be far harsher consequences for liars. But there should be far harsher penalties the very FIRST TIME that somebody assaults another.
I was falsely accused of something similar, proven innocent. But the name stucks. I still get threats to be stabbed and have my house burned down with my children inside to this day. Considered suicide, struggle to go out, its a permanent punishment for something you havent done. I am a woman and i now know how bad men must feeo when they are accused
It’s because of women like these that the genuine victims aren’t being taken seriously.
I have no words for these people. They deserve jail time.
I believe what ever charges they was facing should be given to the one falsely accused in the other party
False allegations are disturbing and terrible. False accusers should be prosecuted
Liam’s solicitor is worth every penny
"Believe all women..."
No kidding
Every man's worst nightmare!
This all started with the MeToo movement. And honestly, accounts like these remove the attention from real victims. Having to live in fear like this, knowing your life might be over because someone woke up one day and decided to ruin your life, must be such a horrific feeling.
What a sad and traumatising case for all involved. Jay, utterly heart-breaking RIP young man! Are there no law/s in the UK for those that cried false rape be prosecuted?? Sadly, the mental damage remains for these lovely young men!! Pray they do heal from this traumatic incident. Greetings from South Africa!
Such terrible stories so sad for all these family's as well as the boys ..Jay and Jay's Mum gone too his poor sister left to deal with the deaths ..what a nightmare ,we would all get deeply affected if our family member was accused ..just too sad for words ..when its just not true .
It truly ruins peoples lives when there falsely accused. Even if they eventually don't get charged & its found that it wasn't true. It carries with them for the rest of there lives & effects them physically, emotionally, & mentally forever! Its so heartbreaking.
Lying about serious crimes needs to have the same stigma and consequences as the accused
In addition to that, the opportunity cost for time used to proving the person's innocence.
This has happened to me I’m still going through with it four years later I have lost jobs over it and found it hard to keep the strength
I'm sorry to hear that. You didn't deserve that. The woman who did this to you will reap what she sowed.
Just to let you know, and you might even be an atheist, but The Lord Jesus Christ loves you with perfect love. The Lord Jesus Christ will give you full peace and healing in your heart, soul, and mind.
@@ryanaaservantofthelordjesu9923That's a fact
I'm so sorry to hear that, I don't know you but I am glad that you're still alive and keep fighting, you didn't deserve it
I got not guilty in court and they found I was innocent and she was lying but I know there are some men that aren’t lucky and some men go to prison for things they haven’t done just have to keep faith
I can relate, I'm out $5,000 for defense lawyer for a crime that never even happened!!
And nobody would help me get my money back.
$5000?? Im out $150,000 plus a 6 figure career and 6 years of my life.... Plus The prosecutor, Judge, "victim lawyers" "victim coaches" and especially my lawyer all got paid huge for something that never happened. False accusations are BIG business... no wonder "they" don't want to stop it.
Even just the false accusation of being a r*pist to a man will ruin his life, career.. everything .. nothing will ever be the same in that man’s life again..and saddest part is the accuser never gets held accountable for lying about it. The liars should face jail time at minimum
Why there's no accountability for these evil women??? Why they are not in jail??? WHY???
Be very careful of signs in a relationship that show no respect or when people don’t respect your boundaries. How mortifying for this young man, I hope he will,one day be able to move on with his life and have a loving relationship. My heart goes out to him.
Don’t date those Karen’s everyone date the non Karen’s who have respect.
@@sunflowerangeldjoan1921 There is no way of determining a Karen from a non-Karen until you are being accused. All women appear sweet and innocent until a Karen destroys your life.
The accusers should be charged to the fullest extent of the law.
Oh my God this is heartbreaking😢😢
Literally sobbing for these mean and that poor girl… no words
💔 Heart break for Jay's sister losing her brother and her Mum. Bless her sweet heart. May you find some semblance of peace and justice.
Liam's case never should have even been prosecuted. If the prosecutor's cannot see through a false allegation that Public Q can easily see through, they do not need to be prosecuting anything and one can argue they shouldn't even be attorneys.
There are little to no ways to identify a real or false accusation
Those who make false accusations should be charged for wasting police time. They should be named like the accused. So unfair. Attention seeking .
What ever happened to wasting police time.. it should be the women falsely amusing should get prosicuted for wasting police time... they walk away with zero damage. This is what is wrong.
"not in the public interest" to prosecute
Those women who actually get caught should serve the same sentence the judge would've given the innocent victim! So appalling!!!
To ruin someone’s life, change your mind then go on with your life without consequence is insane! The accused has his life ruined. It’s such a big thing in someone’s life!
False accusers should be in solitary confinement.
So happy I stressed with my boys to never be alone with a female. 😢
Good advice. Sadly it's not practical. How would they ever have a relationship with a woman? They might as well avoid all women like the plague.
Poor guy there some really vindictive people out there Xx 😢😢
I feel such sadness for these dear boys. Their lives and reputations stolen and also held hostage to the lengthy waiting time for their freedom to be restored in society and before the Courts. These abhorrent liars should be charged and also for defamation. May these boys find peace in their hearts and go on to live a beautiful life. Stand tall and be proud that you spoke out to show the devestation to innocent boys' lives by more than evil, malicious monsters in skirts.
Who makes false allegations should be jailed! And they should be listed so other men will know about that person what she done to others.... To put people in jail n they are innocent they have to be heartless monsters
Nah that poor girl at the end. Those who make these false allegations should face the same jail time and due process that the accused do.
My heart goes out to each one of you. I'm so sorry. It's just so wicked. God will bring justice for you better than this world could ever.
Thanks for this 🎉
Not just that it cannot be proven but that it was absolutely proven false means that the accuser should be charged and go to jail period.
I am terrified every day that this could happen to me or my male friends. I hate how a woman can just i did something and my life can be destroyed because of how people think the woman is always telling the truth no question
Wow this is so heartbreaking, & disgusting that these women haven’t seen one day in prison & two life’s have been lost because of her actions so sad
This was a great documentary and also a hard watch.
This happens more often than you may think. One should be even more suspicious of accusations that aren’t reported to the police but submitted to the court of public opinion, often including HR of the accused’s workplace. The result is (mostly) psychological mob violence (twitter, Facebook, blogs, podcasts, online “journalism,” often spilling into mainstream media. The devastation of the life of the accused and his family is incalculable. Of the two people close to me that were falsely accused, one was rendered unemployable, his spouse had a nervous breakdown, his children (in high school at the time) became social outcasts, which caused both of them to have their educational paths ruined and because the parents had virtually no income (in spite of having terminal degrees) and both kids had to support themselves working minimum wage jobs AND somehow finance their own education, which by necessity started at community college and took YEARS of living in poverty, struggling for every crumb and paying for both your bills and your education when you earn $7/hr is not easy, so check your fucking platitudes about “hard work” at the door. Meanwhile, as the falsely accused ages, he hasn’t had either health insurance or dental insurance for over a decade, so he’s lost some teeth (ahem, YOU try to get a full time job with benefits in the US when you’re on the wrong side of middle age, are an immigrant with a strange name and your grin is, well, less than “toothy”), hasn’t had a lick of preventative care beyond the free covid vaccines…
Did I mention the near total abandonment of “friends” and colleagues, many of whom wouldn’t be where they are (professionally) without this guy’s very generous support?
The other case is equally unjust but at least there wasn’t the relentless public shaming. Basically, two people who worked at the same very prestigious institution were BFFs outside of work. They worked in different departments but occasionally crossed paths professionally and often kept in contact personally. Basically, they got in an argument (within the context of their personal friendship) and although their argument unfolded exactly like other past arguments, one person went to HR and accused the other person of “stalking.” The behavior doesn’t meet any definition of stalking: not institutional, not moral, not even practical. And the person who was falsely accused of stalking actually got fired! This case is ongoing and the wrongfully accused has the benefit of evidence on their side.
Just a post script: Sue a side is a very real and dangerous consequence of false accusations. I’m not aware of ANY educational campaign that warns of the potential harm of false accusations and public shaming. It seems to me it should be part of any anti-bullying efforts that, ironically, are so common in the US, even as interpersonal and domestic violence claim more and more victims every day.
The program here from the BBC is excellent. I hope it is widely watched. There is enough fodder here for an investigative journalist to do some Pulitzer worthy work.
she needs arresting for false allegatioms
Rest in paradise Jay 😢
These females should have been held accountable for everything they said n did to these guys.
I say sue boys.
Wow, this is hard to watch...
I think the system should change in the name of justice. These men lost their everything instantly just because of some crazy accusation. What my opinion is that even the person who is accusing someone over something should be taken through a lie detector test(This might probably reduce the chances of false accusations. I have no knowledge whether it's been used just like that.)
False allegations need to put in jail.they ruin your reputations,job,and everything.the sentence should be same a rapist.since they accuse the person as rapist.women or men!
As a woman who had something really terrible happen to me this sickens me and even enrages me. This is taking women backwards and causing more women who have been abused to not be believed and I suspect that this is why this is being allowed to occur. These women need to be charged with these false allegations to the fullest extent possible and other women need to shun these women and looked at like the criminals that commit the crimes that they are accusing these men of. I hope these men have been cleared by now and they have been able to put their lives back together. Also karma has a funny way of finding people who do horrible things to others. Also I hope Jays family has found some peace.
yeh, i never believe a woman who cries 'abuse'
Far from unusual not to prosecute the complainant.... what a disgusting state of affairs..... no wonder they do this to innocent Men 😡😡
They are doing the exactly da same thing to my brother 😠
my advice is to remove the accuser from the proceedings
I would love nothing more mate
I understand with these men are going through. I myself was falsely accused of inappropriate touching by someone who I thought who is my friend although she starts slightly doing it to me first. It was in 2019.
Men ….. if your being accused of rape you didn’t commit you do not REPLY CALMLY … nah , no , no.
It’s interesting that two of these cases the girl withdrew the case…. Makes me wonder if they were always going to withdraw it because it didn’t happen… but they made the complaint and dragged it out because they know the damage they will cause and they know they will never be pursued or charged with false allegations. These cases are the exact reason men should always be considered innocent until guilty. I feel so bad for that girl who lost her brother and mother as a result… that complainant SHOULD be hauled through the courts.
Why does she not have 13 counts of perjury give her 10 years in prison
I honestly believe that anyone who takes the time to make false allegations should face the same amount of jail time that the accused wouod have had to serve...point blank😤😤! This is such a scary world we live in.