Appreciate you guys having the balls on covering a topic that is tough to discuss. I think your points throughout the entirety of the case have been fair, non biased and a good representation of how larger media channels should have gone about the case . Kudos to you guys
That girl should been in jail for her whole life for lying and false information and accusations of Terrence Shannon a crime that he did not commit or do anything wrong
Try fingering, not fondling. BTW, fingering without consent is rape, and that isn't true just in Kansas. There is a federal definition of rape based on penetration of the vagina or anus without consent or penetration of the mouth with a sex organ without consent.
You two have been more than fair covering this. Have simply reacted to what has been public knowledge and have done so carefully every step of the way. Any Twitter shade thrown your way on this is nonsense.
The police were investigating a similar incident that happened two weeks earlier in the same room at the same bar and never even put two and two together to think the cases might be related. Guess who was involved in the case they were investigating? One Arterio Morris--who just happened to be in the room standing next to McCullar at the exact time that Shannon is accused of this incident. The alleged victim thought Shannon was standing next to McCullar. It wasn't Shannon. She allegedly ID'd Shannon after looking at team pictures on the internet. She didn't see Morris's picture on the KU team page because he had already been dismissed from the team after multiple sexual assault allegations. Morris also has colored dreads. This was all uncovered by the defense not the Lawrence PD. This case never should have been charges much less brought to trial. You guys have done a good job covering this in a fair manner.
Jersey should be in the rafters at State Farm Center. Statistically he was a first team AA and I think that is pretty objective. So many accolades were taken from him including his reputation.
I'm so glad someone brought up GP and Norlander...I could be wrong, (haven't listened to that podcast since it came out) but I'm pretty sure GP said "Innocent until proven guilty is just what dumb sports fans say"..Dude legitimately shat on a or THE cornerstone of American justice system and basically just said he meant that within the context of sport....dude is garbage
That Parish podcast was so horrible, I couldn’t even listen to them anymore either. It was better if he kept his nasty opinions to himself than speak out of ignorance.
I was done when it was found out in trial that so called “victim”and her friends were sending Text messages back and forth to each other with Dollar sign emojis and saying that they got him along with the shitty rush to judgment by the Lawrence Kansas police department and the County prosecutor. Whole thing is a railroad job
@@sterlingarcher9208 And also have other cases she's prosecuted looked at, and possibly be on the hook for "deprivation of civil rights under color of law".
It took 6 months, but congrats on finally getting to the point where you understand what the charge actually was (not the common definition of what 'rape' is).....could have just read the court filing. back in January
@legalfictionnaturalfact3969 number 1. He didn't do it. That is quite clear to even a toddler so you will be waiting your lifetime before he does it the first time.
@@legalfictionnaturalfact3969Won’t be an issue because he did NOTHING to her. Not too worried about a repeat of nothing. Btw, if he actually HAD done something to her, I would fully support whatever punishment the court thought appropriate.
Why single out Purdue fans? I'm a Purdue fan and it was apparent to me within 24 hours of the initial accusation that it was likely total BS. Every single opposing crowd was horrible to him throughout the season, but in no way would I have ever taken part in that. Also, most of the Purdue fans I talked to throughout the season were like "yeah he's getting railroaded".
This obviously should have never been brought to trial. He needs to sue the asses off of everyone involved and demand a formal apology. He needs to get some Kyle Rittenhouse and Nick Sandmann type money and retribution for this traveshamockery.
@@ndalt490 The comparison is apt. Both of them very nearly destroyed, evidence to the contrary, and fortunately saved by a jury that realized it was absolute BS.
@@andy_in_colorado7060 I disagree man I think SA allegations and someone driving across state lines to shoot and kill two unarmed people on video are vastly different situations, but if you wanna compare your player to Kyle Shitstain Rittenhouse then go right ahead. Would probably bother a lot of the players on the team that you support.
@@andy_in_colorado7060Kyle Rittenhouse did something wrong (murder), whereas TSJ didn’t. I think it would leave a bad taste in TSJ’s mouth to be compared to a murderer, but you do you.
Been a fan of you guys for a long time and I know you’re trying to play the safe route, but you guys know good and well that the only victim here is Terrence. The accuser does deserve some type of punishment. Like another comment said this is awful and unfair for the women that have been raped. Ultimately happy for Terrence. 🧡 We expect multiple apologies, but that won’t happen…
Why did this girl try to ruin this man’s life ? He should sue her and have her wages garnished for such a despicable accusation, all she understands are dollar signs!
She didn't try to ruin his life, and a poor choice of emoji by her friend's sister didn't change that and doesn't prove anything. He can try that, but it won't make much sense if, by then, he earns millions of dollars, and she earns a modest salary. Also, he'd have to prove that she committed fraud, that she knew he didn't do those things (the groping and fingering) to her. But the truth is she does believe that, and she always will, so I highly doubt Shannon will even try to sue her. And, if he did, it almost certainly would be thrown out of court.
@@findlisaMadi neel plotted on him and falsely accused her of something that never happened. She tried to ruin his life and take whatever she thought he would gain in the next few months with the nba draft coming up, from him.
@@patrick05Morgan If you are so confident in that post, go ahead send it off to Douglas County prosecutors, so they can consider charging you with a crime.
This is exactly why the accuser needs to be put on trial for what she did. There have to be serious consequences for false accusations, not just "oh well, let's just let it go", because other people falsely accused don't have the resources that Terrence Shannon did and they wind up killing themselves over the absolute hopelessness they are confronted with.
I’m just starting the video. I am very glad you are covering this. And I hoping you guys are taking away what I took away from seeing the evidence. Falsely accused and was robbed from an all American season.
I've been nothing but impressed by every Terrence Shannon Jr. interaction I've ever seen. Always has held himself professionally and kindly whenever I've seen him on T.V. or in person. About 15 months ago he along with Matthew Meyer & Dain Dainja came to the First String basketball tournament (little kid basketball in the North end of Champaign). My then 8 year old and then 6 year old sons played in the league and tournament. It was great to have all three of the Illini players there but TJ stuck around for at least 90 minutes (not complaining the others didn't stay as long, it was awesome they came at all, they could easily have had stuff to do), I left with my family before he left. Literally sat on my son's bench and made these kids feel great. Took pictures with anyone who asked, he came across as surprisingly shy to my wife and me. Obvious he loved being there and making the kids feel good, and he also seemed to enjoy the joy when a kid made a great play. When I heard he was charged with rape I was shocked and so were my kids. I have followed the public information pretty darn closely because I know people can be great most of the time and still behave horribly. I've waited, and I've read police reports and what's been reported to have come out at the trial, and there is nothing in the public record that makes me think he is likely to have done this. I'm not saying the alleged victim is lying, she may well believe he touched her, but if this is what gets somebody convicted of a major crime beyond a reasonable doubt I'd be so sad.
Yes there is especially since it was major mainstream news in the college basketball world. And they had covered it. It’s important to speak on this because so many out there found him guilty before due process.
I respect you guys for saying up front you won't "go there" with the accuser, but this is a serious matter. False accusations with the intent to ruin someone's life, freedom, and extort money? No, you need to be subject to the same penalties that came dangerously close to being imposed upon the victim of your CRIME. This sort of thing cannot be allowed to go unpunished. This sort of thing happens much more often than we are willing to admit, and lower-profile victims frequently wind up committing suicide over it and people just shrug their shoulders and go "oh well". Absolutely nothing about that is acceptable.
Nah screw her. TJR life and future were on the line. There are many, especially BLACK men who dont this type of defense and end up in prison. Way too many. And to think we have to assume the alleged victim is telling the truth. NO MORE. She deserves every hardship coming here way.
I hope there is some accountability to the LPD and the Douglas County DA office. Need to have more than she said in a public place with lots of people to bring charges against someone. Very happy for TSJ that he can move on, but what he had to endure is on the LPD and DA. Luckily, TSJ could afford such a legal team. This case is how innocent folks go to jail if they have no money. Imagine all the legal fees, draft position, NIL money from missed games, and accolades TSJ lost in this.
To expound off of Carter's point. It is also a slap in the face to women who have been raped and have never received justice. The fact that the victim had such an inconsistent story for such a serious charge is staggering too. The text messages were what irritated me. This victim will also fuel men to downplay actual rape charges to women who have been actually raped. I hope she really thinks about what she did and the consequences of it. When I first heard the that this trial was going on. I thought it might of actually happened, but I didn't know TSJs personality either. Feel bad for him and what he had to go through.
I appreciate very much the way you all went about this as both a victim of SA who went through a criminal legal trial and a sports fan. But you’re missing a lot on this and using one source of information basically, someone whose a defense attorney, Mitch, who is friends with the criminal defense attorney and the coaches at UIUC as a source of your info and opinions. Put it together, he is there because he doesn’t have client attorney privilege so he can talk between the defense attorneys and TSJ and the coaches and UIUC during this and then he’s influencing the public’s opinion. This is by design, this guy didn’t just go on all these podcasts, go to all these trial dates in C-U and Kansas and Springfield and tweet about this nonstop from the kindness of his heart. That’s very naive to believe. He says himself he has a small part of his practice that represents coaches and NIL collectives. He is there to ensure the Illini Nation fan base stays happy, loves TSJ, so they keep spending money on Illinois sports and and donating to UIUC. You hit a lot of good things, like trauma responses (going back to the bar) and this wouldn’t get to trial if it was not a strong case. The text message thing, that is meant to play on your emotions but come on, you cannot go from those text messages and emojis to the conclusion of going after $. You don’t get $ in criminal trials, if you were planning to make this up for money, you’d want him to first go very high in the draft so he’s worth more and then file a civil suit which has a way lower threshold to be found liable or not liable. Can you imagine if your emojis in texts showed your intentions in life? I’ve read almost everything from all of the cases (the criminal one and civil one in Illinois vs. the board of trustees) and first off, defense attorneys are there to WIN, not to be fair and they’re always going to go after the police and the investigation. Duh.
And if you listen to all of these podcasts Mark Sutter is on and Mitch you can glean a lot from them. A lot of them are very careful to not say she was definitely not a victim and the reason they absolutely destroy her and make sure that’s known is that is a warning to other victims not to come forward, DA’s not to fuck with college sports or the universities, etc. College sports is huge money, one of the people who stood to lose the most $ here was Brad Underwood. Look at his contract, he definitely lost $ from the potential he could’ve hit on some things just from this season and March Madness plus he has tons of NCAA rules he has to follow and is responsible for the players and coaches following. If he was fired without cause in his contract, IL still had to pay him millions of dollars depending on which year it was. If he was fired for cause he doesn’t get any of that.
I luv you guys, but I would like to challenge you not placing him on any All American team despite missing 6 games and working his way back to 100% . I understand the "ickiness" due to the fact that there are real victims out there. He was an All American🧡💙
Some never get free of those allegations because they don’t have attorneys brave enough to fight for truth or money to fight the lie. Who will give those people justice?
Yea but missing a month of the season for a bogus charge that was found to be an illegal suspension. Not real fair, honestly! I don’t believe there were 3 better players in the Nation. Edey was the only player more dominant, no guard single handedly changed a game like T-Shan!
I think you summed all this up pretty well. The entire story is sad for both parties. I'm glad the police took the allegations seriously, but it does seem reasonable to require some minimal detective work and evidence be required to indict someone and upend their life. I have no idea what the district attorney or w/e was thinking when they moved forward with charges. Those text messages are a BAD look. Hopefully the jurors have a clearer picture of what happened than I do and they do the right thing. If you've ever served on a jury you know how stressful that can be. It's a tough subject. I'm not smart enough to handle it.
Earned a new subscriber. Amazing video and thank you for covering this and providing names of people who have been sharing what’s going on in the case.
thanks for covering, shameful this could even go to trial with that. District attorney needs to be investigated. There are a lot of media that had a lot to say that now will stay silent
Another case of believe all women punishing an innocent man. (Duke lacross, trevor Baur, matt Ariaza just to name a few) She should be brought up on charges and face trial . The DA who brought this flimsy case should be reviewed for misconduct
What do you do now? Turn around and sue the University and the accuser or call it "life" and move on? I'd be angry. I'd want some kind of compensation at least from the University for the suspension.
Proud of everyone supporting both the plaintiff and defendant. That support is important and needs no bias because these kids lives can fundamentally change from people arguing over it because of their own bs personal agendas. Still cant believe people were against that this whole process.. Hoping this trial puts everything to rest with the truth as you say, whatever it may be
Let’s stop acting like this hasn’t been an issue! Just last year, 2 black Ohio State players were found innocent after a white female lied about being raped and kidnapped! Both have lost everything! Shawn Oakman was also lied on by a white female and did time just to be found innocent later one! Lost his chance to play in the NFL! So stop acting dumb like this isn’t a thing!
Not only that, but the all-white jury came to the correct conclusion, without regard to race. Reverse the races of jury, accuser, and victim of the accuser, and I bet you a dollar the verdict is polar opposite, evidence be damned.
I've tried and defended a lot of sexual assault cases. Let me help you out, you don't need DNA or witnesses for a rape to happen. In fact, you rarely have either. Most rapes don't have witnesses. Often DNA evidence isn't something that ends up being a major part of a trial. If people are expecting those things to be common they are mistaken. Generally these cases involve the accused and the alleged victim and no one else. That's why these cases are hard to prosecute. I have no idea if he did or didn't do it. That's going to boil down to how credible a jury finds her on the stand. Yes, digital penetration is rape. Rape isn't just penis in Vagina or Anus or mouth, anything penetrating is rape by law. But if it helps, consider it sexual assault.
Yeah, how dare he go to a bar with some friends. He should just sit at home every single day and stare at the wall so as "not to put himself in a bad position".
Appreciate you guys having the balls on covering a topic that is tough to discuss. I think your points throughout the entirety of the case have been fair, non biased and a good representation of how larger media channels should have gone about the case . Kudos to you guys
Duke lacross team were all white IIRC and went through the same thing.
I REMEMBER THAT LIKE IT WAS YESTERDAY
Are they still whyte? Or did they have to return their privilege?
slightly different in that they actually paid a prostitute, in this story the accused did not engage in any untoward behavior of any kind
Nice video there’s a great article in the Chicago tribune that shows additional details to the case
Got his @$$ 🤑🤑
YUP YESSIR
Found not guilty
That girl should been in jail for her whole life for lying and false information and accusations of Terrence Shannon a crime that he did not commit or do anything wrong
How did fondling get upgraded to felony rape charges?
Try fingering, not fondling. BTW, fingering without consent is rape, and that isn't true just in Kansas. There is a federal definition of rape based on penetration of the vagina or anus without consent or penetration of the mouth with a sex organ without consent.
You two have been more than fair covering this. Have simply reacted to what has been public knowledge and have done so carefully every step of the way.
Any Twitter shade thrown your way on this is nonsense.
I do think you guys covered TSJ and the story perfectly
I knew $ had something to do with it shame on her
The police were investigating a similar incident that happened two weeks earlier in the same room at the same bar and never even put two and two together to think the cases might be related. Guess who was involved in the case they were investigating? One Arterio Morris--who just happened to be in the room standing next to McCullar at the exact time that Shannon is accused of this incident. The alleged victim thought Shannon was standing next to McCullar. It wasn't Shannon. She allegedly ID'd Shannon after looking at team pictures on the internet. She didn't see Morris's picture on the KU team page because he had already been dismissed from the team after multiple sexual assault allegations. Morris also has colored dreads. This was all uncovered by the defense not the Lawrence PD. This case never should have been charges much less brought to trial.
You guys have done a good job covering this in a fair manner.
Okay. That's just WILD. How has that not been explained more fully in the press???
Jersey should be in the rafters at State Farm Center. Statistically he was a first team AA and I think that is pretty objective. So many accolades were taken from him including his reputation.
You guys covered it better than Garbage Parrish and Matt Norlander of CBS Sports so good on you guys. Those two clowns are a different story
I'm so glad someone brought up GP and Norlander...I could be wrong, (haven't listened to that podcast since it came out) but I'm pretty sure GP said "Innocent until proven guilty is just what dumb sports fans say"..Dude legitimately shat on a or THE cornerstone of American justice system and basically just said he meant that within the context of sport....dude is garbage
That Parish podcast was so horrible, I couldn’t even listen to them anymore either. It was better if he kept his nasty opinions to himself than speak out of ignorance.
@@orod5577 Agree 100%. That guy is an utter disgrace and used his platform for evil
@@orod5577wasn't it GP's podcast where he was getting excited by the word rape and ended up shouting it for emphasis?
@@jdspencr ua-cam.com/users/live-FNpGdMowio?si=gj-xg9yMvIR4dcUT
So many inconsistencies in her story, & those messages with the money emojis are telling! She lied period
For all you know, it is completely fake, sweetheart. Don't believe everything you hear on the news.
I bet you think wwf is real too.
If this was 1940, sadly, TSJ would have suffered the Emmitt Till treatment. And that is not being funny at all.
Exactly
I was done when it was found out in trial that so called “victim”and her friends were sending Text messages back and forth to each other with Dollar sign emojis and saying that they got him along with the shitty rush to judgment by the Lawrence Kansas police department and the County prosecutor. Whole thing is a railroad job
You gotta dig into the prosecutors back round that's why the charges were brought.
She's willing to destroy an innocent person's life to salvage her failed career?! SHE MUST RESIGN
@@sterlingarcher9208 And also have other cases she's prosecuted looked at, and possibly be on the hook for "deprivation of civil rights under color of law".
It took 6 months, but congrats on finally getting to the point where you understand what the charge actually was (not the common definition of what 'rape' is).....could have just read the court filing. back in January
Wild a 10 second encounter in a bar can be called rape.
Yes, believe what bro said. Because scumbags always tell the truth. LOL
What’s that. That a rape can occur in 10 seconds ? LOL. ..
@@legalfictionnaturalfact3969Dude mad😂😂😂😂. Go cry somewhere else kid
Lock her up! It was a different guy.
@@legalfictionnaturalfact3969oh you know him personally?
NOT GUILTY. TSJ has been freed.
He's free until the next time he does it.
@legalfictionnaturalfact3969 number 1. He didn't do it. That is quite clear to even a toddler so you will be waiting your lifetime before he does it the first time.
@@legalfictionnaturalfact3969why u want him to be guilty so bad? Do something with your life bum
@@legalfictionnaturalfact3969Won’t be an issue because he did NOTHING to her. Not too worried about a repeat of nothing.
Btw, if he actually HAD done something to her, I would fully support whatever punishment the court thought appropriate.
A lot of purdue fans owe this young man an apology. F purdue
Ok so does Illinois fans owe Gillis an apology? F you too!
Why single out Purdue fans? I'm a Purdue fan and it was apparent to me within 24 hours of the initial accusation that it was likely total BS. Every single opposing crowd was horrible to him throughout the season, but in no way would I have ever taken part in that. Also, most of the Purdue fans I talked to throughout the season were like "yeah he's getting railroaded".
I hope to GOD he sues her and her family so that their kids kids kids are STILL paying for this
Can’t she be sued for defamation? This crazy what would make them do that
This obviously should have never been brought to trial. He needs to sue the asses off of everyone involved and demand a formal apology. He needs to get some Kyle Rittenhouse and Nick Sandmann type money and retribution for this traveshamockery.
Yea no don’t compare him to Kyle Rittenhouse, very different situations
@@ndalt490Didn't compare situations. Just simply implied that TSJ needs a payout just like they got.
@@ndalt490 The comparison is apt. Both of them very nearly destroyed, evidence to the contrary, and fortunately saved by a jury that realized it was absolute BS.
@@andy_in_colorado7060 I disagree man I think SA allegations and someone driving across state lines to shoot and kill two unarmed people on video are vastly different situations, but if you wanna compare your player to Kyle Shitstain Rittenhouse then go right ahead. Would probably bother a lot of the players on the team that you support.
@@andy_in_colorado7060Kyle Rittenhouse did something wrong (murder), whereas TSJ didn’t. I think it would leave a bad taste in TSJ’s mouth to be compared to a murderer, but you do you.
Why are y’all trying to play both sides. TSJ is the only victim here
Been a fan of you guys for a long time and I know you’re trying to play the safe route, but you guys know good and well that the only victim here is Terrence.
The accuser does deserve some type of punishment. Like another comment said this is awful and unfair for the women that have been raped.
Ultimately happy for Terrence. 🧡 We expect multiple apologies, but that won’t happen…
Why did this girl try to ruin this man’s life ? He should sue her and have her wages garnished for such a despicable accusation, all she understands are dollar signs!
She didn't try to ruin his life, and a poor choice of emoji by her friend's sister didn't change that and doesn't prove anything. He can try that, but it won't make much sense if, by then, he earns millions of dollars, and she earns a modest salary. Also, he'd have to prove that she committed fraud, that she knew he didn't do those things (the groping and fingering) to her. But the truth is she does believe that, and she always will, so I highly doubt Shannon will even try to sue her. And, if he did, it almost certainly would be thrown out of court.
@@findlisaMadi neel plotted on him and falsely accused her of something that never happened. She tried to ruin his life and take whatever she thought he would gain in the next few months with the nba draft coming up, from him.
@@patrick05Morgan If you are so confident in that post, go ahead send it off to Douglas County prosecutors, so they can consider charging you with a crime.
@@findlisait’s kinda hard for her to believe he did those things to her when stated that she’s never met him in person before
@findlisa, yes, she did. She did try to ruin his life. Both her and her friend. Note the money signs
The actions of the accuser destroys cases for true victims.
This is exactly why the accuser needs to be put on trial for what she did. There have to be serious consequences for false accusations, not just "oh well, let's just let it go", because other people falsely accused don't have the resources that Terrence Shannon did and they wind up killing themselves over the absolute hopelessness they are confronted with.
Person falsely accused, others most affected.
I’m just starting the video. I am very glad you are covering this. And I hoping you guys are taking away what I took away from seeing the evidence. Falsely accused and was robbed from an all American season.
I've been nothing but impressed by every Terrence Shannon Jr. interaction I've ever seen. Always has held himself professionally and kindly whenever I've seen him on T.V. or in person. About 15 months ago he along with Matthew Meyer & Dain Dainja came to the First String basketball tournament (little kid basketball in the North end of Champaign). My then 8 year old and then 6 year old sons played in the league and tournament. It was great to have all three of the Illini players there but TJ stuck around for at least 90 minutes (not complaining the others didn't stay as long, it was awesome they came at all, they could easily have had stuff to do), I left with my family before he left. Literally sat on my son's bench and made these kids feel great. Took pictures with anyone who asked, he came across as surprisingly shy to my wife and me. Obvious he loved being there and making the kids feel good, and he also seemed to enjoy the joy when a kid made a great play. When I heard he was charged with rape I was shocked and so were my kids. I have followed the public information pretty darn closely because I know people can be great most of the time and still behave horribly. I've waited, and I've read police reports and what's been reported to have come out at the trial, and there is nothing in the public record that makes me think he is likely to have done this. I'm not saying the alleged victim is lying, she may well believe he touched her, but if this is what gets somebody convicted of a major crime beyond a reasonable doubt I'd be so sad.
Good videos for people who are not aware of what’s happened. Well done
Sounds like the Trevor Bauer accusations.
That's exactly what I thought...
🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯
Hopefully the guy will move on with a nba career
You don't owe an obligation to cover this, especially to any of the ass hats on twitter. Still glad to see you cover it
It's basketball related
Yes there is especially since it was major mainstream news in the college basketball world. And they had covered it. It’s important to speak on this because so many out there found him guilty before due process.
You have a great UA-cam keep up the good work!
This happen all the time
NOT GUILTY!!!!! #TSJ #ALLAMERICAN
I respect you guys for saying up front you won't "go there" with the accuser, but this is a serious matter. False accusations with the intent to ruin someone's life, freedom, and extort money? No, you need to be subject to the same penalties that came dangerously close to being imposed upon the victim of your CRIME. This sort of thing cannot be allowed to go unpunished. This sort of thing happens much more often than we are willing to admit, and lower-profile victims frequently wind up committing suicide over it and people just shrug their shoulders and go "oh well". Absolutely nothing about that is acceptable.
Nah screw her. TJR life and future were on the line. There are many, especially BLACK men who dont this type of defense and end up in prison. Way too many. And to think we have to assume the alleged victim is telling the truth. NO MORE. She deserves every hardship coming here way.
I hope there is some accountability to the LPD and the Douglas County DA office. Need to have more than she said in a public place with lots of people to bring charges against someone. Very happy for TSJ that he can move on, but what he had to endure is on the LPD and DA. Luckily, TSJ could afford such a legal team. This case is how innocent folks go to jail if they have no money. Imagine all the legal fees, draft position, NIL money from missed games, and accolades TSJ lost in this.
Nobody cares, your videos aren’t comedic, now do state of the program for FAU…
Their state is that the program is dogshit, next.
You still mad we handed that L to you last season?
@@noahm15 just like this channel then
100% Malika Andrews will try and drag him on draft night even though he was found innocent.
And to not have any dna and if they brought to grand jury or knew there wasnt dna, How icky is the law enforcement there.
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To expound off of Carter's point. It is also a slap in the face to women who have been raped and have never received justice. The fact that the victim had such an inconsistent story for such a serious charge is staggering too. The text messages were what irritated me. This victim will also fuel men to downplay actual rape charges to women who have been actually raped. I hope she really thinks about what she did and the consequences of it.
When I first heard the that this trial was going on. I thought it might of actually happened, but I didn't know TSJs personality either. Feel bad for him and what he had to go through.
"This victim will also fuel men to dpwnplay rape..." wtf??? What about all the women in politics that support the rapist Donald Trump? Gotcha.
I appreciate very much the way you all went about this as both a victim of SA who went through a criminal legal trial and a sports fan. But you’re missing a lot on this and using one source of information basically, someone whose a defense attorney, Mitch, who is friends with the criminal defense attorney and the coaches at UIUC as a source of your info and opinions. Put it together, he is there because he doesn’t have client attorney privilege so he can talk between the defense attorneys and TSJ and the coaches and UIUC during this and then he’s influencing the public’s opinion. This is by design, this guy didn’t just go on all these podcasts, go to all these trial dates in C-U and Kansas and Springfield and tweet about this nonstop from the kindness of his heart. That’s very naive to believe.
He says himself he has a small part of his practice that represents coaches and NIL collectives. He is there to ensure the Illini Nation fan base stays happy, loves TSJ, so they keep spending money on Illinois sports and and donating to UIUC.
You hit a lot of good things, like trauma responses (going back to the bar) and this wouldn’t get to trial if it was not a strong case. The text message thing, that is meant to play on your emotions but come on, you cannot go from those text messages and emojis to the conclusion of going after $. You don’t get $ in criminal trials, if you were planning to make this up for money, you’d want him to first go very high in the draft so he’s worth more and then file a civil suit which has a way lower threshold to be found liable or not liable. Can you imagine if your emojis in texts showed your intentions in life?
I’ve read almost everything from all of the cases (the criminal one and civil one in Illinois vs. the board of trustees) and first off, defense attorneys are there to WIN, not to be fair and they’re always going to go after the police and the investigation. Duh.
And if you listen to all of these podcasts Mark Sutter is on and Mitch you can glean a lot from them. A lot of them are very careful to not say she was definitely not a victim and the reason they absolutely destroy her and make sure that’s known is that is a warning to other victims not to come forward, DA’s not to fuck with college sports or the universities, etc. College sports is huge money, one of the people who stood to lose the most $ here was Brad Underwood. Look at his contract, he definitely lost $ from the potential he could’ve hit on some things just from this season and March Madness plus he has tons of NCAA rules he has to follow and is responsible for the players and coaches following. If he was fired without cause in his contract, IL still had to pay him millions of dollars depending on which year it was. If he was fired for cause he doesn’t get any of that.
When will they learn to avoid these wi te devil sl uts
There is a verdict!!!!
Not guilt... verdict in
Not Guilty! 🤑🤑🤑
And he was found not guilty
MALIKA ANDREWS IS SO DISAPPOINTED AFTER THIS DECISION WATCH OUT ON DRAFT NIGHT
What did she say?
Do not fear. She will still bring this up on draft night
I luv you guys, but I would like to challenge you not placing him on any All American team despite missing 6 games and working his way back to 100% . I understand the "ickiness" due to the fact that there are real victims out there. He was an All American🧡💙
Some never get free of those allegations because they don’t have attorneys brave enough to fight for truth or money to fight the lie. Who will give those people justice?
Yea but missing a month of the season for a bogus charge that was found to be an illegal suspension. Not real fair, honestly! I don’t believe there were 3 better players in the Nation. Edey was the only player more dominant, no guard single handedly changed a game like T-Shan!
Smh
I think you summed all this up pretty well. The entire story is sad for both parties. I'm glad the police took the allegations seriously, but it does seem reasonable to require some minimal detective work and evidence be required to indict someone and upend their life. I have no idea what the district attorney or w/e was thinking when they moved forward with charges. Those text messages are a BAD look. Hopefully the jurors have a clearer picture of what happened than I do and they do the right thing. If you've ever served on a jury you know how stressful that can be. It's a tough subject. I'm not smart enough to handle it.
He didn't do this!
Why didn't they take DNA from the person who they know is an alleged serial offender, Arterio Morris?
Earned a new subscriber. Amazing video and thank you for covering this and providing names of people who have been sharing what’s going on in the case.
If found not guilty on information that's been put forward so far he got punished by the NCAA that cost him a first team all american
thanks for covering, shameful this could even go to trial with that. District attorney needs to be investigated. There are a lot of media that had a lot to say that now will stay silent
THANK YOU! Innocent on both accounts!
Who tf f says caucasian anymore.
Another case of believe all women punishing an innocent man. (Duke lacross, trevor Baur, matt Ariaza just to name a few) She should be brought up on charges and face trial . The DA who brought this flimsy case should be reviewed for misconduct
The DA is already fighting disbarment for misconduct
What do you do now? Turn around and sue the University and the accuser or call it "life" and move on? I'd be angry. I'd want some kind of compensation at least from the University for the suspension.
I don't know, I'd want to move on. That DA has questionable judgment, I'd say
@@jailbreak852 I like your answer. Most would say that's probably the right/mature/honorable thing to do.
@@piccleartoland1565 The honorable thing is to demand punishment for the fraudulent accusations.
Proud of everyone supporting both the plaintiff and defendant. That support is important and needs no bias because these kids lives can fundamentally change from people arguing over it because of their own bs personal agendas. Still cant believe people were against that this whole process.. Hoping this trial puts everything to rest with the truth as you say, whatever it may be
Race card comes out….bye
Let’s stop acting like this hasn’t been an issue! Just last year, 2 black Ohio State players were found innocent after a white female lied about being raped and kidnapped! Both have lost everything! Shawn Oakman was also lied on by a white female and did time just to be found innocent later one! Lost his chance to play in the NFL! So stop acting dumb like this isn’t a thing!
Not only that, but the all-white jury came to the correct conclusion, without regard to race. Reverse the races of jury, accuser, and victim of the accuser, and I bet you a dollar the verdict is polar opposite, evidence be damned.
I've tried and defended a lot of sexual assault cases. Let me help you out, you don't need DNA or witnesses for a rape to happen. In fact, you rarely have either. Most rapes don't have witnesses. Often DNA evidence isn't something that ends up being a major part of a trial. If people are expecting those things to be common they are mistaken. Generally these cases involve the accused and the alleged victim and no one else. That's why these cases are hard to prosecute. I have no idea if he did or didn't do it. That's going to boil down to how credible a jury finds her on the stand. Yes, digital penetration is rape. Rape isn't just penis in Vagina or Anus or mouth, anything penetrating is rape by law. But if it helps, consider it sexual assault.
Believe all women, unless they're accusing your favorite team's best player.
What does that even mean
@@PatchesOhoulihan159Jed in implying people think TJS is innocent because of his basketball career.
@brantbasting those people are morons who should listen to the statements and testimonies in this case!
Believe all women was always a silly overreaction to a real problem.
@@brantbasting No.
Terrance Shannon should have never got himself into this position.
You should have never used that last brain cell to type out your ignorant opinion.
Jesus Dave. Did you ever go to a bar as a college kid? You want him to live in a literal bubble?
If you are implying that he never should have gone to Lawrence in the first place, I’m in complete agreement. Anything else, you’re on your own.
Yeah, how dare he go to a bar with some friends. He should just sit at home every single day and stare at the wall so as "not to put himself in a bad position".