Technical Tuesday: What does it all mean? MR? DR? Combat? Elite?
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
- Today's Technical Tuesday, we are discussing the product line. What is MR? What is DR? What about Combat and Elite? How do I pick what's right for me?
There are currently two frame sizes. The MR-sized frame, which is a 15+1 9mm, and you have the DR-sized frame, which is a 17+1. The DR would be considered a true full size pistol, while the MR would be more in the compact-sized handgun.
The MR stands for Multiple Role. The 15+1 9mm sized gun is truly multipurpose--you can use them a duty guns, you can EDC them, it's a great home defense gun. This is a size class that covers a lot of bases and is still very shootable.
The DR stands for Duty Role, and that's who we designed it for. Shadow Systems now has a growing presence in the Law Enforcement market, which we are very excited about. The DR frame is geared towards those with larger hands, or appreciate the fuller capacity, or just want a full size pistol with a longer sight radius.
The MR and DR distinctions really just refer to the frame size. Now, let's talk about the pistols themselves.
We have the MR920; 15+1 guns with a standard 4" barrel--a compact handgun.
The MR920L (Trevor's favorite) has the full length slide on the 15+1 frame. The grip size is the same, but the sight radius is longer and the slide is longer--why? Well, most folks will tell you that the hardest part of the gun to conceal is the butt, so the longer the grip is the more it will print under your clothing. So, we added that longer slide to make the gun more shootable. The MR920L shoots like a full size and carries like a compact.
Then we have the DR920, which is the full size handgun.
Now let's talk about slides. When it comes to slides, we have basically three types of slides that go on any of the frame sizes, whether it's MR or DR; the Combat, the Combat Optic, and the Elite. The internals of the pistols are the same between all three slide models.
We have the Combat slide. The base Combat slide just has iron sights, regular dovetail sights with a nightsight front. The Combat Optic is that same slide that also has our proprietary optic cut. The Combat slide does not feature any window cuts. It does have front and rear directional serrations, but no topside serrations and no window cuts.
Next we have our Elite slide--all Elite slides feature our optic cut, which fits most optics on the market with ultra long and ultra strong screws. The Elite slide features the front and rear directional serrations as well as topside directional serrations and a weight optimizing window cut.
We also talk through the different options and features and how to choose the pistol that is right for you.
As always, please contact our team with any questions at support@shadowsystemscorp.com. If there's something you'd like to see in a future Technical Tuesday, drop it here in the comments.
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Ive been calling it the Doctor920 and the Mister920 for simplification this whole time. Now after this video, i finally know what the DR and MR stands for lol
😂
Whats the CR? Lol i like it tho
😂😂😂 thats good…
Own a MR920 Combat absolutely love it couldn't ask for a better carry pistol. I'm glad I found this company.
I recently got the same. Is your slide loose at all? Does it make noise when you shake it?
@@burtcokain5473 Not really mines doesn't rattle at all
Weird. Thanks
Only improvement ( for me) would be a larger grip. Compact gun w full size grips are much better in my opinion.
@@shadowballen6463 Thanks for responding to my 3 year old comment
You guys really care about your customers and product. Best customer service I've ever dealt with. Appreciate y'all
I am nothing, but whatever you do Trevor DO NOT CHANGE. Don't change your quality and whatever you do keep being reachable. No other company can reach out to and get the customer service you offer. Don't Change!
Just an idea…when you’re doing these videos show the gun more closely. They all look similar (besides the color) from far away, I want to see them up close and look at the small details and differences
mr920 war poet. Love it
Technical Tuesdays are back!? Maybe you can explain how adding a compensator may affect the reliability and what springs you would recommend. So many of us have threaded barrels on our models.
This is incredibly helpful as I was stuck choosing between the varrying designations.
What did you decide? I’m stuck still, lol.
@@fearnonebutone4977 I got the MR 920 Elite. Honestly I love it. It feels lighter in weight but my grip feels a bit off but that just means I need to put more rounds down range
Just picked up the MR920L elite, and man this thing is slick. Might be the flattest shooter I’ve ever owned.
I bought an MR920 Elite from my local gun store, it's my first firearm of yours, I love it so much I bought a cr920 two days later. Absolutely love them both
I just got a Dr920 and love it! Been carrying the warpoet for a while now and love that too!!! I'd love to see you come out with a sub compact similar to a g26 size!! That would be amazing
How could I get one of these? Especially the elite one, do you have a link?
Definitely need a sub compact Version!!!!
They revealed the subcompact at shot show last week 🤑
CR920 is better than a 26. Much slimmer and 10+1,13+1, night sights.
Sweet gun.
I got a dark MR920L with the 5" bronze threaded barrel. Now I just need the flush barrel and one of those gorgeous fde DR920s.
Awesome video. I've never been a big Glock guy. My gun store had a big sale on your firearms. I ended up getting an mr920 combat with an optics cut and I'm blown away by how nice this thing shoots. I already bought a holster and planning on carrying it over my p320.
Love to hear this. Thanks for the comment, Spencer! Trevor
That's awesome, which p320 are you replacing it with?
Super informative video. Probably answered 99% of my questions and uncertainties. Y'alls guns look pretty neat and seriously considering picking one up.
Got a small collection of Shadow Systems - acquired over time - and we love every and each of them - DR, MR, Elite, Threaded barrels… we want to add compensators and need some guidance. Like the ZEV. Thoughts? What about recoil spring? 13, 15 pounds? Video with options would be a great way to start the year. Thanks for your consideration.
I actually just bought a mr920 without doing any research, i was looking to buy a glock 17. The associate at the gun store sold me on the specs and shadow systems as a company. After shooting and more looking at these videos I'm so glad I bought this firearm. And it was on sale for 650$!! I didn't realize they normally start at 799$
Just ordered a MR920 elite with bronze threaded barrel! Can't wait to pick it up 🤙🏽
have it already and absolutely love it
For the price you guys are unbeatable. That doesn’t mean raise your prices! It means I’ll buy three cause you smash the competition at that price point.
Just purchased my first gun, the mr920 combat yesterday. Cant wait!!
You all SMASHED they layout, profile, options. Trying to fill my piggy bank fast. 😉. Hope to get my hands wrapped around them. Just my $.02.
The MR920 Elite is my daily carry and it is paired with a Holosun 507c X2 and a Stream Light TLR-7 with matching iwb holster and a Taran Tactical +5 base pad on a Glock 15 round magazine. Favorite handgun I've owned and I'm definitely accurate enough with it to trust my life with it as well. I want a DR model next. I recommend Shadow Systems over a Glock every chance I get.
How can I get a set up like this. I'm a 21 year old firefighter trying to make a living with my fiance and want home and edc protection. I'm lost on how to get the elite and a set up similar to yours! Any help would be appreciated sir!
@@fatalis_swmg one thing you should keep in mind is that the company Shadow Systems will replace your gun in the chance you use it for self defense and it’s taken under investigation. Literally sold all of my hand guns and bought from them just because of this alone - not to mention it’s better than standard Glocks for sure.
@@David-mz8mo wow that's awesome
Can you go over the threaded / non threaded! Pro’s / con’s!
My man, hit us with a TT video explaining the why and how surrounding this voodoo striker return booster spring I discovered in my DR920 back on day 1.
Ok, Joe. We’ll do it. Trevor
@@ShadowSystemsCorp Awesome! Looking forward to it.
Own a MR918 elite as my EDC, thinking about getting the MR920 elite!
Got an MR918 as well Freaking Awesome Gun I Myself Can't think of a good reason to get the 920 Basically the same gun but thought about 920L
@@chrismiksworld I can think of a good reason to get one...AMERICA is why ! 🙂 But your right about the MR920L, I will just get them both.
About to get a dr920, should make a 34 style slide that can be bought and added later on
I have a DR920P elite and a MR920 elite. neither one has failed from the first shot and I have shot both over 500 times. My only problem is the trigger. I wish you would have put some time in on that issue. Is there any upgrades? Poor quality on the trigger. Customer service is great. If you have an issue with anything they will respectfully take care of you.
Well, ok fine. I had to get one, the DR920. Buddy, this is even better than I thought it would be!!! It fits my hands PERFECTLY!!! It feel so good in my hands, it's hard to describe. And then I've been bidding on gunbroker, low bids for a couple months now, and found one for $ a good price!!! SOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I already have the MR920, but my damn hands are so big that the grip ends in the middle of my ring finger. Freaking banana hands, lol. I really think I like this pistol, a lot.
Michael, thanks for letting us know! We love hearing stories of customers loving our stuff. Glad the new gun fits you so well. Let us know if you need anything. Trevor
For the combat Mr920, if you want to put optics on it, I’m assuming you need to go get it cut and the optic plate? Once that’s done, and you put a red dot on, will the iron sights line up with the red dot?
No it comes pre cut. and yes the dot co witnesses
Once again. I would. LOVE. To see you all make a FULL metal pistol. I'm holding out for that day to come. Then. I'm most definitely buying a pistol from you all. 💯
Love mine, except the finish is crap. I have the mr920 elite in bronze. My bad for going with the cerakote less that 3 months old and it's chipping off. Not wear but just coming off. Other than that love it.
Can’t wait to get my hands on one of the mr. kinda hard to find rn tho
Can I add the unthreaded barrel to the mr920 from the mr920L I can’t have a threaded barrel in Massachusetts, but I like the look of the longer barrel.
Would absolutely love the duty model in .45 acp
Best lineup of Glock style pistols on the market. I have 2 MR920 Elite (one for backup just in case). I am looking for a MR920L
Very informative I dig it! On another note... are you wearing 2 watches?
The solid black thing is a Whoop Strap. It’s fitness tracker sort of thing.
Wish you had a G45 style. Now I’ll have to buy 2 and put them together.
Great looking watch. What is it? BTW, my friend just got the 920L and as you might expect, now I have to have one! Awesome pistol! Love your company and the way you go about things. Keep at it.
Hi David, it is just a Citizen Eco-Drive PCAT (Model: CB5908-57E). I usually add one of the Barton silicon bands. Glad you are a fan of the product. Trevor
Love the MR920L
what about barrel differences? some are black some are gold etc...
just a coating difference?
Can you guys make mettalic accent triggers? Love in black and red for my elite
Great explanation.
Ok, I’m clear on MR vs DR, but where does XR and CR fall in?
Have an MR 918 Elite SN is just under a Thousand got it early on Love it
So, the easiest way to sum it up even though you refuse say the G-word.
MR920 = Glock 19 size
DR920 = Glock 17 size
I love these videos! Keep them coming guys. Thank you for starting the series up again
I own the DR920 with a holosun 507, TLR-1 HL, couldn’t be more happy
Shadow Systems has the best optic cut out of all the pisol manufacturers on the market today definitely.
Good synopsis. Curious why you didn’t mention the CR or XR series though? Were those models not out at the time this video was made maybe?
Correct. Trevor
Shadow Systems should come out with MR10 and DR10 models in the 10mm caliber!
Is the grip angle the same as glock or is it different im getting it both ways from different reviews
This is why i like Trevor very informative! Great Job!!!
I need a tech Tuesday on barrels.
I see that the threaded barrel is 5 inches (I believe) for the compact.
I saw they have other barrels and read some thing like 106 mm to be Canada compliant. But that comes out to be like 4 1/4.
I was just trying to figure out if I wanted to get a second barrel in the titanium coating, how much stick out when I get between a canada barrel, vs a regular, and then vs the threaded?
I am seriously looking into one of these. The reviews are excellent and it appears Shadow Systems customer service is top tier. I’m debating on which model to get. If you could have only one, which would you opt for and why? Thanks!
I’m looking at MR920 elite. That way I’ll have the option to carry it if I don’t wanna take my hellcat that day, and I’ll have the option to put a sight on it (I’ve never had a pistol w a sight on it)
@@logant5552 once you put a red dot on your pistol you'll never go back to iron sights ;)
I know exactly what I want. I just can't find it anywhere. MR920 elite black with bronze threaded barrel. It's like they all disappeared before I could get one.
Try here-they pull from dealer stock nationwide and ship to your local ffl. www.guns.com/shadow-systems
Who wants to see a MR1022 ?
Can't wait to get that compensator.
Good video, educated me 👍
Awesome video guys!
This was very informative.
I was actually looking at getting a long slide for my Glock 19 and then I saw the MR918 . How long before they are available as sold out everywhere?
Also, I am a 357Sig fan and surprised it was mentioned in the video. I want one but unsure of the viability of that caliber in today's market.
The MR918 has been discontinued in favor of the newer MR920. If you’re looking for a long slide, you’ll want to shop for the MR920L, which is available at dealers and distributors nationwide.
I was just wondering this. Like you read my mind
I've called 4 times only to be on hold and eventually get the answering machine, left 4 messages about my mr920 elite. Been trying to get help with it for a month now. The slide is stuck on the gun and won't come off. I can't move it forward or backward and the trigger is forward. I went to take the slide off and it got stuck part way through and won't budge now. Trigger forward so I can't move the slide back. This has happened a lot, the recoil spring/rod get loose and jam up the gun so it won't come apart. The other times this happened I was able to fix it because the trigger wasn't forward. This time the trigger is forward and there's nothing I can do about it now. Every single time I call I get put on hold and then after a few minutes it sends me to answering machine where I've left many messages.
EDIT: The CS rep got back to me and he helped me fix the gun! They're now sending me upgraded parts to help prevent my issue from occurring. Very relieved to have my gun back and the part upgrades are awesome! Thank you Shadow Systems!
Have you tried pulling the trigger?
Hope you get it figured out.
Whoa! That doesn’t sound right at all! I am sorry you have had a bad customer service experience. This is not the norm. Please email support@shadowsystemscorp.com and mention this conversation. Leave your phone number and I’ll call you. Trevor
@@ShadowSystemsCorp thank you for the reply. I really love the gun just upset that I'm having this problem. I will send you guys an email :)
@@brandonwilliamsphotography6826 yes but it's stuck. Trigger doesn't budge at all. I'm sure I could force it and at the same time break it but I'd rather just send it in
Hi is it possible to order a elite model pistol but without the slide window?
Any update on sub compacts ?? (:
Does the MR920 take a glock barrel because I’d like to buy a cool fire trainer for it
Yes, it should fit and work, however we cannot guarantee function with non-Shadow parts.
Why not mr for micro, cr compact, fr for full sized?
Would anyone know if the Glock 19 mags work this firearm and if so have you had any malfunctions?
Just got my first mr920 combat optic. At what round count should I start my first maintenance cycle/replacing parts. And what parts ? This is my first handgun I am actually putting rounds downrange regularly and consistently training with.
Hi Logan. The only component on the firearm that has a maintenance schedule is the recoil spring which we recommend replacing at 5,000 rounds. The spring can be removed from the guide rod and simply replaced instead of having to buy a new entire assembly. Other components are "as needed" but breakages are infrequent. If you dry fire a ton (like hundreds of thousands of times a day) you might want to have an extra firing pin (unless you use a snap cap when dry firing). Other than that, part replacements are rare. Trevor
@@ShadowSystemsCorp thank you!
Thanks man!
I wish you would do a "45"/"19X" size frame/slide combination. That would be my jam. Love the guns though.
They have the long slide ones which is a 19 frame 17 slide
I’m confused, isn’t that advertised in the video ?! I’m confused
That’s what the DR is ?!?!?
XR920 is comparable with 19X/45. Compact 19 length slide on 17 size frame.
Are these available in California?
Is it possible to purchase a TIN barrel for the MR920L? I have a MR920L with a black barrel and love it, but I would like to have both barrels without having to buy two guns 😅
Those should be added to the site around the end of this month.
@@ShadowSystemsCorp awesome, thanks!
Keep up the great work, guys!
Can my combat slide be cut for an optic and have weight reducing window cuts in the front of the slide( like the elite) without making any other changes? Will it still cycle like it's supposed to with the reduced weight of the slide? Do I need a different buffer spring?
You might as well just get the elite at that point.
@@brandonwilliamsphotography6826 elite wasn't available when I purchased my combat. So I want to make changes that I like as time goes on, but I've heard of people changing slides or barrels and having problems.
Can a glock 23 or 22 slide go on the frame? Being glock grips are multi roll different slide as per model
Cody, theoretically, a Glock 23 slide would fit on the MR series frame. However, we can't guarantee function with other company's parts. The full size G22 is not compatible with the full size DR frame. Trevor
Just waiting on that DR920S in FDE! 🇺🇸
What's the s?
@@mateopantoja4436 They actually named it the XR920.
It seems like a fine weapon. But if I have too much reverence for my pistol to drag it through the dirt, it's probably not for me.
@tinfoilhatclub your tin foil hat club is likely just guys that want to steal your property. It's a good thing you don't have a family for them to use as leverage to extort you, anyway.
Can the DR920 be used for IDPA?
Trevor, I've got 2 questions, how much larger is the grip on the DR vs the MR elite WPS that I own and is there anyone stocking and selling a 17 rd capacity DR in Colorado so I can go see/fell the difference for myself? Always appreciate you and your Incredible company, SHAWDOW SYSTEMS for life!
DR is like a Glock 17 (or Glock 19X) while the MR Elite WPS is like the Glock 19. You can find the Glock 17/19 in any gun range/store to try it out in person.
@@anonypersona3189 Thanks man, I appreciate that.
You can compare the models side by side here: shadowsystemscorp.com/model-comparison/
And email me at jessica@shadowsystemscorp.com I can help you find a local dealer with a recent shipment
@@ShadowSystemsCorp thanks guys, really appreciate you.
Any solution for misfed, random release of mags ?
You have a XR920 what does the XR stand for?
Crosssover
what about the XR?
.357 sig? When?
When you ahoot does the barrel tip up like a glock or no
Yes, it is a tilt barrel design. Trevor
Where can I get the war poet
Anyone changed out their front sight? I changed mine to a Dawson Precision because I prefer a thinner front sight. I had to shave the base that enters the slide down on the sides because the sight hovers above the slide. It still actually does but slightly now.
Ameriglo fiber optic front sight posts do the same thing. Instead of shaving down the plug, I just tapped it in with a rubber hammer. It's flush. Ameriglo helped me match it with an appropriate height far sight and now gtg.
@@jpdesimone yes tapping would be the obvious solution. Not so simple. My front sight hole is probably out of spec.
whats the diffrence with 920 and 290
Do these have the same Glock angles while holding them???
Hi SDW, the grip angle is adjustable using our backstrap system. You can match Glock's "hump" or use one of the more vertical grip options. Trevor
@@ShadowSystemsCorp Thank you! I was hoping that part was true. I HATE the grip angle on a Glock. This sounds promising.
I love my MR920!!
I purchased a DR920 Feb 2022. The accuracy sucks and customer service is almost non-existent. I've been exchanging emails since Feb 23rd in effort to get help with it with no results.
Hi David, I just wanted to follow up. I researched your issue with the team and learned that the gun was returned for repair and you said accuracy is now what you are looking for. Just wanted to make sure things were still good. Thanks. Trevor
My dr920 has a very noisy recoil spring and was wondering if im the only one experiencing this? And trying to find something to remedy it if anyone knows. Thanks
Our decision to include a high quality stainless steel guiderod means more metal on metal contact. A few drops of oil will help and it will quiet down as it wears in.
DR920 is a Great Gun
Are the MR920L and the DR920 slides the same length?
They are. It's just the frames that are different
My dad is a lifelong Honda guy and thinks you guys have a CR on the way 😂
Spot on
He gets it lol
Is there a way you guys can make this California compliant your guns look so fuckin cool
Need to add a 10mm model.
Where does someone get the war poet version
MR45?
No one talks about the warrantees??
why no light or laser rail...1911 pic rail
MR = Mister
DR = Doctor
Combat = War Time
Elite = Bougie