I will admit. I was new to Shadow Systems about 8 months ago. Since that time, I have bought, an MR920, XR920P, and the new CR920XP. I have used many different ammo brands, grains, and FMJ and JHP. I am happy and proud to say that I have not had one malfunction. Each one if those pistols is passed 1,000 rounds. 🇺🇸👍
I had a brand new Honda Civic Type R with a Vtech engine which redlines at 9000 rpm. Honda tells you not to take it above 6000rpm for the first 500 miles. Many cars have an engine break in period and a gun is no different. This video shows just how knowledgeable and forthcoming this company is about their product and this totally just sold me on getting one. Thank you Trevor and the Shadow System team. I am now a fan!
I have the same car.. & I feel you but why doesn’t Glock need a break in period? No malfunctions out of the box till it drops. And this is supposed to be a upgraded Glock clone. I don’t get it. & no I don’t like or own Glocks but I’m envying the reliability especially since my Cr920p has been thru 1k rounds and just chocked on some defensive loads when I was trying to test which ammo to run and to see what can run (Winchester 147, federal 124 (not hst) & hornady 115. Failure to go in battery on each of these. So disappointing man. Gonna run some more defensive loads tomorrow and if it still having problems then Ima see if they can look at it and if something is off
I picked up my new MR920 combat model from my FFL on Wednesday and was able to get 125 rounds through it today at the range with zero malfunctions. What a comfortable and great shooting pistol!
11:19 I put 3 to 500 rnds thru every gun before I carry it. My ss dr920 didn’t make it, sent it back, and they sent me a whole new pistol. Even upgraded it from a combat to an elite. No problems since.
I did exactly what you stated. Filled a mag, cycled a few rounds and had feed issues. However, I didn't call customer service but I did find this video. Thanks.
Between the two shadow systems that I’ve bought from you guys I had one single failure to feed on my first ever round through the first gun I bought and the other worked flawlessly from the start. Just use reliable ammo that the gun is made for. Love your product and love your customer service! Keep up the great work team.
I bought a CR 920 this year. when I got the gun home. I took it apart oiled everything up really good, put it back together. Shot my first 225 rounds through the gun. Zero feed issues. Gun ran perfectly!
Probably 500 times racking the slide and dry firing before i took either of my 920s to the range and both have been flawless. You could feel springs and mating surfaces change from day one till the went to the range, then after a little range time it’s even more smooth.
Even my STI has casing stuck from time to time, that's because of its tight fit. For the money you pay on the shadow system, top quality and best looking pistol you can get in its price range, keep up the good works.
I really appreciate that he used his time to address this concern. It can be stressful in situations like this when you know, from an engineer's perspective, the intricacies of product development and having to explain the science behind it to those who are merely using the product. I love you guys!!!
This gun is on my wishlist and I appreciate the sentiment behind this video because I watched part of a review that showcased frustration over the gun's performance out of the box. Explaining and owning the possible reason behind that kind of thing is admirable. I was leaning back toward a factory Glock, but I'm now back on the wagon to save a bit more for this gun. Thank you for the up-front, honest approach to explaining this issue!
Bought the XR920 Elite, range today, 10 failures to feed in first two mags. Stuck with it. Next 150 rds not one failure. Shot great, accurate and great feel. After watching this video i couldn't agree more. Look forward to shooting again.
Something similar happened to me on my CZ P09C. Had four failures to feed in first few mags. Ran new different ammo after cleaning the gun thoroughly and haven't had any issues since
I had a number of failure to feeds through roughly 500 rd with my MR920 Combat. I contacted Shadow Systems and they sent me a shipping label the next day. I sent it in and had it back to me in about a week and it's been smooth sailing since. Good communication throughout. Would I prefer not to have to do that, sure, but I've had to send a number of pistols back to manufacturers over the years. They stood behind the product.
@@moisesllamas146 I tried various manufacturers of ammunition at the time, or as best as I could given the ammunition shortage at the time. The fact that the pistol came back working would seem to suggest to me that the issue was the pistol, not me or the ammunition.
@@Murphy82nd so what’d they fix? Was the guide rid spring? Im looking to buy one. Am consuming as much info as i need to purchase. And yes your time we only had what he had to work with. The pandemic had everyone gathering what little ammunition their was. No worries
@@moisesllamas146 in my case there was apparently a small burr on the underside of the slide right near the breach face. This was slowing down the slide just enough that it very infrequently wouldn’t go into battery. They removed the burr and I haven’t had a malfunction since, even in a course where I was prone in a sand and gravel pit and there was plenty of external debris to cause a malfunction if the pistol was still problematic.
I just got the mr920 elite and I’m having feed failure as well, I won this pistol in a raffle, do I fight through this issue by putting some rounds through it? Or should I try and contact someone? I literally haven’t even shot it yet. I’m a new firearm owner so I don’t know much about anything yet so any advice would be appreciated
I picked up a MR920L elite, and man I couldn’t be happier, it’s such a killer piece and shadow systems seems to be a top notch company. Thanks for dropping facts like this.
Most 1911s, 2012 era Sig Tac ops Extreme series held together tightly and I thought, as usual, it would require 300 rounds to mate. Nitron finish I think is why it never had a problem or me with it. My SCAR 17s had metal shavings in the extractor or its polymers gunked the extractor edge flush. It would extract around after 40 shots it's the first time to the range. After thorough cleaning before shooting it the first time to after 40 rounds, I found a bunch of metal factory shavings and polymer substances. I haven't been to the range again. I think the weapon is mating okay on the friction areas. Yep, most handguns or rifles require a break-in period. There should be a break-in period oil to mate the surfaces better. A slightly higher viscosity grease or thick oil. Both will gunk up a weapon, and make it fail out of the box. Fail isn't a thing under 400 rounds. As I said, my extractor became a metal shaving hideaway. It happens so we need to make sure springs are kept oiled. Springs have micro-cracks that rust can set in within hours. I stretch my magazine springs twice a year, then slightly oil them up to retain their tension. This is why I'm a believer in Magpul products and tip my hat to Kevin here for using Magpul products. It was night and day difference in Iraq using Magpul products, especially our Big Red One lives depend on the magazine of choice. Shadow systems didn't use a Glock magazine because they care if you live.
@@medicchester Chester that's good information, I've always said to people that buy a new gun period, pistol, rifle, shotgun, take it home and give it a good breakdown and cleaning, Lube the firearm. I brush or use compress air to blow out loose shavings and no one can tell me they don't have shavings in their guns, they will especially all forged frames, steel frame pistols. A good cleaning and lube are necessary and will cost you less in ammo to smooth out the gun. New car engine, break in and first oil change are vital. Same with firearms ! Good call on your part.
This guy did a really good job of explaining the break in period of a gun and why it's necessary. Many of us knew this already but I will definitely be forwarding this to people I know that don't know.
I agree with you whole heartedly. I'm glad yall make it tight... makes for an AWESOME pistol in the long run. Don't change. Loving the MR920 Elite (and love that yall are local). God bless!
This company is outstanding. By far one of the best in my opinion. They truly understand engineering. From the way the optics mount under slight pressure from the back plate, the use of full length mounting screws, amazing trigger feel and function, and the inter-changeable grip design, brilliant. Oh yea, and it looks freakin cool too! Just bought my second MR920!
I just picked up an MR920 Combat a couple months ago and it's already my EDC. While I thought the 200rd break-in was odd to state, it was already in line with my own personal belief in break-in. You came out and said it; I appreciate that. It didn't like Hornady Critical Defense at the beginning (was trying to initially zero my Holosun 507C), but it cleared up by 100rds in.
The best 12 minutes I've spent at looking to a video for a long time. THANK YOU for that awesome explanation. Makes me want to sell one of my Glocks to get one of your products! 😉👍
I was on the fence about my CR920P, until I saw this video. Around the 7-8 min mark explaining the trade off between accuracy and break-in helped the most. I have 500+ rounds down range and have used 114g range ammo, 124g FMJ, 90g and 145g self defense all in a hope to break this in. Yet #1: it fails to eject once or twice per 50 rounds, on any ammo. And #2, it is WAY LESS accurate than any "new" compact/subcompact I've owned. To be clear on that, even from the bench at 10 yards it will throw 25% of rounds outside a 4" group. So thank you - this video helped me quite a bit. The CR920P goes.
I have purchased 3 Shadow Systems the last 2 months. Great pistols. I have all three models and one is with me everyday. Thanks for making a great product. I shoot my long slide better than I have any competition gun in the last year.
I literally just picked up the mr920 Elite from my FFL, took it to the range and put about 300 rounds thru it with not the best ammo... I had ZERO malfunctions not one. I used my Glock 19 mags because I'm in a shitty State and can't have more than 10 rounds so I had to buy the gun without magazines. I didn't believe the hype about how flat and soft this gun shoots. At the range, the range master came in and asked to try it, he said he saw me putting rounds down range so quickly with great recoil control he wanted to know what I was shooting. I've been shooting for about a year and today by was the best range session I had to date.. this gun makes me such a better shooter no joke ... thank you very much for an awesome product!!! Just wish it shipped with 10 round mags but that's just a small nitpick for otherwise a fantastic pistol.
I purchased my MR920 a couple days ago, I absolutely love this gun. The operation of this pistol is absolutely amazing, far exceeded my expectations. I agree 100% with your statement on the break in process and I honestly can see how one could disagree with it. I will say I had 3 failures back to back in the first three initial attempts. First two was failure to chamber the initial round (sticky) the third was a light primer strike. After I ran the initial mag through the gun, it performed flawlessly. I’ve now ran 1,000 rounds through this gun and I’ve had zero issues. Groupings are amazing and is one of the best shooting guns in my arsenal. Great system 💯
Love my MR920. But I have to say, I had some issues for the first 500 rounds. I was expecting a break in period and did t worry too much about it. After about 500 rounds NO issues. Was able to shoot a couple of IDPA matches with it before and after COVID. Great gun!
Got my new MR920 over the weekend and took it out to shoot. I experienced quite a few failure to feeds and a couple failure to return to battery. After the first 175 rounds the issues worked themselves out. I shot another 100 rounds and had no other issues. Seems like a great product and have a WP version on order as well with tentative delivery in late December. Keep up the great work!
Bought an XR920 Foundation yesterday from a local gun store and took it to the range today expecting some issues after reading the numerous comments re. the "break-in" period. Prior to the range, I gave it a quick cleaning and lubrication prior to shooting as I do with every new gun I get. Shot over 350 rounds with 4 different ammo types (Federal 124g HSTs and 3 brand name full metal jacket range ammo). Not one failure of any kind. Ran flawlessly as I hoped it would. Very accurate and smooth. Very pleased with the gun. Will be ordering a tritium front sight tomorrow from Shadow Systems.
Finally, someone is talking about this. I don't know how many people say they just bought an XYZ and in the first 200 rounds I had 3 or 4 malfunctions and I won't buy any more XYZ because of that reason.
Mine is sitting in my safe as it is my b-day present (in Dec)... Thinking of convincing my wife break-in should be done within the first week of purchase. Any chance you could put up an update video for me???
My MR920 Combat is wrapped and under the tree! Stoked for Christmas day. I plan on field stripping, cleaning, oiling and dry firing for a while. Then, to the back yard to shoot some steel! Great video!
Well said, valid points. Some folks do not believe there should not be a break-in period with modern handgun designs, ok that is on you. For decades I carried 1911s that cost 4 or 5 times what a MR920 does and they all had a minimum break-in period of 500 rounds without failure before they went into the carry rotation. My MR920 round count stands at 2,000 + without a single failure and now is my regular carry. Furthermore, anyone who has a gun for self defense should not only break it in, but also verify functionality with the defensive ammo that is going to be used. Is all this absolutely necessary, no it will probably function fine. But I choose not to settle on probably if my life maybe on the line.
I picked up my MR 920 combat 3 days ago and followed this process: 1) field strip and cleaned (clenzoil CLP) 2) soaked barrel in clenzoil CLP for 10 minutes 3) wiped down barrel 4) followed Trevor’s lube process but instead of lube in slide rail I applied clenzoil gun grease but lube in all other areas 5) loaded mags and carefully cycled them (10 mags) and in between worked slide repeatedly 6) before going to range I cleaned and properly lubed gun with clenzoil lube. When I went to the range I put 170 rounds down range with 2 different grains of ball ammo (Winchester winclean 124 gr, Blazer brass 115 grain) every round fired without a single issue, slide release chambered round reliably when applied. The MR920 combat performed amazing, easy to control and great feel for me with high backstrap. This process can save you some rounds for break in period.
100% agreement with your comments at the end about “duty/responsibility” to shoot a few hundred rounds through any gun even with todays ammo prices🙈I recently purchased your Dr920P Elite and dry-fired about 1,000 rounds through it before taking it to the range and fired 100 rounds. Have numerous Staccatos, Wilson Combat guns for several years and carried Glocks for half of my Federal LEO Service. Was AMAZED with the ease of recoil management, tight shot placement, and quick follow-up shots after first 100 rounds. Frankly….. I only had that same feeling during the first time I shot my Staccato XL that cost me three times more for similar performance. Still love my Staccatos and Wilson Combat weapons, but must admit this is the best bang for the buck😂that I’ve ever purchased. Good Job 🤠 with your creation👍
Great video, definitely true, especially when a gun is made of different materials, polymer and steal. I am saving up for the MR920. I started out with Caniks because of price and value. I was unaware there was a break-in period I should have known better. I changed out springs and tried all kinds of ammo when I should have just shot the hell out of it. Too many people buy guns and have never shot them and expect the gun to protect them. Your a company I want to do business with, appreciate your honest.
My Glock 19 gen 5 had THREE failure to feeds during its break in. My MR 920 had ZERO malfunctions. I pushed past the break in and did a full pistol vetting range day and still zero malfunctions. I shot better with the 920 day one than I have ever been able to with the G19. Damn fine pistol!
I own a 920l and have owned a 918. Both worked a 100 percent right out of the box. I own several high end 1911s. They needed break in . Kimber will tell you don't call us until you have fired 500 rounds through your Kimber pistol. Every day my 920l rides in my duty holster. That the best endorsement , I can give.
100% agree. Break-in is not only for the new firearm, it is also for the shooter who has never fired that particular gun. 10 of the same guns may feel and fire different for the end user. Break-in allows the shooter to learn the characteristics of that firearm as well. I would argue that buying a used firearm with 5000 rounds fired requires break-in for the shooter to learn it, the functionality, sights, quirks, and etc.
I thought this video was a joke at first!!! I guess not everyone knows ALL NEW guns have break in period. He is doing his part to educate so good for him!! Not to mention the influx of new shooters who maybe went for a mr920 or guys who just bought their first NEW gun. Moving parts on anything = break-in period, that's a fact! Beside who would complain when they get told they have to shoot a few hundred round?
A gun and its components are either within tolerance, or not within tolerance according to a print. It either functions how it is supposed to after being manufactured, or it does not. A clean, unobstructed, newly manufactured firearm from the factory should load, fire, extract and eject properly unless there is some sort of *specific* user error involved. Ammo isn't exactly cheap anymore, either.
Getting my mr920 in all black this week. It’s taken almost a month to come in. Super excited, first shadow pistol. I’ve always bought ruger, Taurus, Glock.
Well I understand what saying about break in period. I just got cr920xp the gun is having all sorts of problems. I am in contact with shadow systems now. Hopefully you all resolve this problem
Just put it through 700 rounds with Modern Day Samurai RDS course and ran great! I would say that the trigger has improved but still a lot of over travel so will be changing it out for Overwatch Precision Falx trigger. Someone had commented to me about rattling and then removed their comment so no it doesn’t rattle!
great info! thanks! What about the popular method of shooting five rounds then cleaning then shooting 5 then cleaning again to break in a new gun??? Does this help with accuracy? furthermore would it matter on a regular pencil barrel as much as a competition bull barrel? !
Great video. As an example: my SFP9 (VP9 where it's named normaly) had feeding/extracting problems with 115gr ammo. I had to use heavier bullets over breaking period. After ~500 rounds my HK Was eating all types of ammo. Now I'm looking forward to put my hands on DR920.
Always issued glock from my department and thats what I bought. Never did anything but trigger upgrades. I took a DR920 elite on a trade..... DAMN these things are Supreme. I ran our qual course with it and my time and score was night and day. Just messing around I was hitting clay pigeons at 50yds. You've made a customer for life
Bro, You guys knocked this out of the park. I've had my MR920 Combat Optic for about 2 weeks and i'm 200 rounds in. This gun is FANTASTIC. I love what you did. You FIXED the "innovative" Glock that hadn't sen true innovation (minus the gen 5 / mos) in almost 20 years. All Glock does is try and play catch up. YOU GUYS gave the user WHAT WE WANT right out of the box. Thank you. I really hope departments start picking these up as duty guns. The component and holster interchangeability is going to be the niche I think.
Kevin, sorry! I saw this comment a while ago and loved it, but I forgot to respond. We are so happy that you like your MR920. We really try to give our customers the most out of the box in a package that works day in and day out. Thanks for the comment. Keep us posted. Trevor
Both my MR920s broke in great. I cleaned it every 50 rounds and put a drop of oil on in “the sweet spot.” The guns are flawless. I noticed the trigger has gotten way better than right out of the box
Cleaning after every 50 rounds is retarded. Break it in, and then Shoot a whole 2 day pistol course without cleaning it... then you can trust it and label it reliable.
I have had a xr920 for a few months no malfunctions and it shoots great I didn’t really feel a break in period my gun it shoots fantastic even from distance I’ve maybe put 50 through it
I know you are just getting into open guns. In the 90's procedure was to get your open gun from the gunsmith. Then, shoot 500 rounds and compile a list of your problems for when you returned it to the gunsmith for final tuning
Not to argue or disagree, I can only tell my experience. Got my WPS MR920 in May. From the paperwork that I read, I expected some break-in issues to arise. But, I never did have any issues with it. It has never failed to fire and never failed to eject in at least 1700 rounds. I’ve taken two combat handgun classes with it. 450-500 rounds each and had no issues. This is my favorite pistol.
Thanks for this info. I just got a MR920 and have about 500 rds thru it and i like it alot. The only issue is that it isn t going into barrey. I can hit it and it goes but kinda bums me out i have to hit it for this to happen. Another MR920 person said to dremel polish the feed ramp and that ll clear that up. I guess that speeds the break in process up lol. Giving this a try and hopefully that ll get me fixed up
I own a MR920 and an MR920L. During the "break-in" period across both firearms, I had just one single malfunction. That was the second round of the very first magazine of the MR920 failed to feed into the chamber after the very first round was fired. A whack to the rear of the slide and the round chambered and not a single malfunction since. The MR920L had zero malfunctions. This includes not only the break-in period, but also every round fired since then too. It also encompasses (intentionally) a very wide range of ammunition makes and models. I do understand the "controversy," though. Ammunition is very expensive and, currently, difficult to find for purchase. I am admittedly fortunate to a point where this hasn't been a controversy for me personally, but I have a high level of respect for millions of gun owners who are not in that same position. Shooting 250 rounds for "break-in," including testing of one's carry ammunition, is a time-consuming, expensive, and potentially ammo inventory depleting endeavor. And it is a tough decision to make when you read story after story from other SSC pistol owners talking about how there gun never malfunctions, even during the break-in. So I get it. I appreciate Trevor saying the true "break-in" period is really more like 100 rounds (a few magazines). That should help ease the controversy a lot.
Running a couple mags of your self defense ammo through the gun should be mandatory. Admittedly, when I saw the video title, I had a little PTSD from my sniper rifle break in. Keep it up, these are great videos!
I was surprised to see the difference between how smooth the action on my well used (3000+ rounds) 918 vs. my brand new 920. The 920 isn't bad by any means, just a little chunky for the first hundred or so rounds. It's broken in now and the difference between it and my 918 aren't as dramatic. Now it's just spring and trigger are a little stiffer but just a little. Nothing some trigger time won't cure. Can't wait to break in my DR when they hit public market. Hoping to break in a G34 size shadow in the future too...
I broke in my new CR 920 Warrior Poet pistol today. I put 205 rounds thru it. No issues, functioned perfectly with various ammo including two types of carry ammo. Very accurate, it is easy to make accurate hits at 40 yards.
I’ve NEVER had to break my DR920 in ! I shot over 300 rds through it the first day I got it and did not have one single hiccup. I’ve seen multiple videos on UA-cam of people saying they had to shoot 200-250 rds to break it but I did not encounter any malfunctions
I bought a DR920 foundation series and so far ran 200 rounds FMJ with only one malfunction (trying to feed on an empty casing which failed to extract). Gonna run another 2-300 rounds
My shield plus when I got it, the extended mag could only fit 9 bullets. After about 90 rounds the mag can take the full amount easy. Just had to break it in.
Absolutely correct. Even when you buy a Uninterrupted Power Supply Unit, You will smell off gassing from it for a few weeks and after being used a little bit, it stabilizes and stops and breaks in. Goes with anything.
I recently purchased a CR920P and have put over 400 rounds through it. I'm still having minor feeding and ejection issues. I really like the CR920P, but I just don't feel confident enough trusting my life to it being a Criminal Investigator. I will be doing some polishing to it and see if that would finally make it worth carrying on a daily basis.
The simple fact is, even before shadow systems said it we armorers and gunsmiths were talking about break in periods as we all discussed how many rounds should be fired through it before you can really call a gun broken in. Seeing a whole bunch of people freak out about this breaking. With Shadow systems really reminds me how uninformed the average shooter tends to be.
They're "freaking out" because they're paying somewhere around $1000 (maybe more) for a handgun that in their cases is having reliability issues out of the box. For some sub $300 plastic pistol from certain manufacturers, fine...such things often (not always, but often) can be expected. For a gun this expensive most people don't want to go through 4 or 500 round "break in" periods, because the perception is that since they are paying more for something like this, the gun should be good to go from the factory.
@@dexm2010 but that's just it the part they don't understand is all firearms do have a break-in period. People freak out because Shadow systems admitted it. I'll get BCM AR-15s Glocks Kimber 1911s you name it come into the shop cuz people think something's wrong with them when really they're just not broken in yet. All it is is that shadow systems was willing to admit it
@@rorinthelarpdad120 Before I go any further, let me just say this, because I think it is important to clarify a bit. I do not generally believe in a "break in" period, but I'm also not saying that because a new pistol or rifle has a single misfeed, failure to extract/eject, or some other kind of malfunction here and there initially that it is necessarily a problem, or that the gun is junk. Sometimes these "malfunctions" aren't even "malfunctions" at all, but just the operator making some simple mistake (not seating a magazine all the way in for example). I honestly would not be surprised if more often than not, most "problems" or "malfunctions" were operator induced somehow, rather than caused by the firearm or the ammo itself. I have no way of proving that, but it wouldn't surprise me. Also, I am somewhat more forgiving personally of handguns that don't feed or cycle very well certain types of JHP rounds, just because there are so many out there now, and with that a lot of variables in play. People need to try their defense ammo in their particular gun to ensure it feeds and cycles properly, that is their responsibility...there's only so much the manufacturer can do on their end in making barrels that will ensure proper feeding with an assortment of so many different JHP rounds. What I tend to call BS on is stuff like when fairly conventional FMJ rounds cannot consistently feed, fire, extract or eject from a modern manufactured handgun ( especially if it is either a "full sized" service pistol, or a "compact" version of such a gun that is nearly the same size). With few exceptions, there really is no reason most modern handguns should have a problem even brand new cycling most brass cased FMJ rounds from vetted, quality manufacturers like Winchester or Federal. A "hiccup" on one or two rounds, for one mag, that *possibly* was even due to user error, and then no problems for 500-1000 rounds or more later...something like that's ok. Failure to feed or extract 9 or 10 times out of a 17 round magazine *consistently* , or having a nice, new, clean gun *consistently* every mag throw every 3rd empty ejected casing back right into your face (*cough late Gen 3/Early Gen 4 Glock 17/19 cough*) despite using a proper grip with no "limp-wristing"...that is a different story. A gun with issues like those, those are not "break in" quirks that will get better on their own or through more rounds through the gun , those are guns that came from the factory unfinished somehow, were assembled improperly, or assembled with one or more nonconforming parts (out of tolerance parts). I'm not saying Shadow Systems does this, and I don't believe they would do something like this, but some manufacturers will purposely machine a "good", in tolerance part in order to get it to fit or interface with a "bad", out of tolerance part in order to avoid scrapping the "bad" part out. I don't know how widespread the practice is in the industry, but whenever a gun like that is shipped from a manufacturer and put on a shelf somewhere, if a functional problem does show up later on, it can be a real pain for someone sometimes to figure out what is causing it. I guess what I'm saying with all of this, is that I believe you that probably most of the guns you see people bring in to the shop are basically fine, and are probably the result of people panicking prematurely over a minor issue that they might have even inadvertently caused themselves...but on the other hand, there are also very real cases out there today where the manufacturer has clearly dropped the ball and put out a plain lemon as the result of poor machining, assembling and QC before a gun gets shipped out.
Just bought an mr920p. I was on my third mag before it cycled a round for the first time. Basically a bolt action pistol. Im now at 225 rounds and it is down to one malfunction per magazine. I have several nighthawks, wilson combat and staccato pistols. I am used to heavy break in on steel frame guns. But, this is the first time I have seen it with a polymer pistol.
I will admit. I was new to Shadow Systems about 8 months ago. Since that time, I have bought, an MR920, XR920P, and the new CR920XP. I have used many different ammo brands, grains, and FMJ and JHP. I am happy and proud to say that I have not had one malfunction. Each one if those pistols is passed 1,000 rounds. 🇺🇸👍
I had a brand new Honda Civic Type R with a Vtech engine which redlines at 9000 rpm. Honda tells you not to take it above 6000rpm for the first 500 miles. Many cars have an engine break in period and a gun is no different. This video shows just how knowledgeable and forthcoming this company is about their product and this totally just sold me on getting one. Thank you Trevor and the Shadow System team. I am now a fan!
I have the same car.. & I feel you but why doesn’t Glock need a break in period? No malfunctions out of the box till it drops. And this is supposed to be a upgraded Glock clone. I don’t get it.
& no I don’t like or own Glocks but I’m envying the reliability especially since my Cr920p has been thru 1k rounds and just chocked on some defensive loads when I was trying to test which ammo to run and to see what can run (Winchester 147, federal 124 (not hst) & hornady 115. Failure to go in battery on each of these. So disappointing man. Gonna run some more defensive loads tomorrow and if it still having problems then Ima see if they can look at it and if something is off
I picked up my new MR920 combat model from my FFL on Wednesday and was able to get 125 rounds through it today at the range with zero malfunctions. What a comfortable and great shooting pistol!
Just ordered mine yesterday! How u liking it now after 9 months?
I just got a DR920 Combat, brought home cleaned & lubed it. I only put 120 through it but I had Zero malfunctions also.
The head shots at 25 yards was what got me hooked.
It was like where I wanted those rounds to hit they did.
Super accurate.
I got the MR920 war poet put 150 rounds through only issue 1st magazine failure to feed 2nd round after that flawless and amazing.
As a BS Mechanical Engineer from 1991, I know you speak 100% truth my
brother. This is the Way!
A bullshit mechanical engineer?
11:19 I put 3 to 500 rnds thru every gun before I carry it. My ss dr920 didn’t make it, sent it back, and they sent me a whole new pistol. Even upgraded it from a combat to an elite. No problems since.
I did exactly what you stated. Filled a mag, cycled a few rounds and had feed issues. However, I didn't call customer service but I did find this video. Thanks.
Did you fix your feed issue? I have a DR920 with the same issue.
Between the two shadow systems that I’ve bought from you guys I had one single failure to feed on my first ever round through the first gun I bought and the other worked flawlessly from the start. Just use reliable ammo that the gun is made for. Love your product and love your customer service! Keep up the great work team.
I bought a CR 920 this year. when I got the gun home. I took it apart oiled everything up really good, put it back together. Shot my first 225 rounds through the gun. Zero feed issues. Gun ran perfectly!
Probably 500 times racking the slide and dry firing before i took either of my 920s to the range and both have been flawless. You could feel springs and mating surfaces change from day one till the went to the range, then after a little range time it’s even more smooth.
I do that and just polish the feed ramps a lil on every gun before first time to the range snap caps and dry fire even my cz 97b
Even my STI has casing stuck from time to time, that's because of its tight fit. For the money you pay on the shadow system, top quality and best looking pistol you can get in its price range, keep up the good works.
I really appreciate that he used his time to address this concern. It can be stressful in situations like this when you know, from an engineer's perspective, the intricacies of product development and having to explain the science behind it to those who are merely using the product. I love you guys!!!
This gun is on my wishlist and I appreciate the sentiment behind this video because I watched part of a review that showcased frustration over the gun's performance out of the box.
Explaining and owning the possible reason behind that kind of thing is admirable. I was leaning back toward a factory Glock, but I'm now back on the wagon to save a bit more for this gun.
Thank you for the up-front, honest approach to explaining this issue!
Bought the XR920 Elite, range today, 10 failures to feed in first two mags. Stuck with it. Next 150 rds not one failure. Shot great, accurate and great feel. After watching this video i couldn't agree more. Look forward to shooting again.
Something similar happened to me on my CZ P09C. Had four failures to feed in first few mags. Ran new different ammo after cleaning the gun thoroughly and haven't had any issues since
I had a number of failure to feeds through roughly 500 rd with my MR920 Combat. I contacted Shadow Systems and they sent me a shipping label the next day. I sent it in and had it back to me in about a week and it's been smooth sailing since. Good communication throughout. Would I prefer not to have to do that, sure, but I've had to send a number of pistols back to manufacturers over the years. They stood behind the product.
Was it the ammo maybe?? Or the way you were gripping? I just saw a video of someone who had same issue because of gripping
@@moisesllamas146 I tried various manufacturers of ammunition at the time, or as best as I could given the ammunition shortage at the time. The fact that the pistol came back working would seem to suggest to me that the issue was the pistol, not me or the ammunition.
@@Murphy82nd so what’d they fix? Was the guide rid spring? Im looking to buy one. Am consuming as much info as i need to purchase. And yes your time we only had what he had to work with. The pandemic had everyone gathering what little ammunition their was. No worries
@@moisesllamas146 in my case there was apparently a small burr on the underside of the slide right near the breach face. This was slowing down the slide just enough that it very infrequently wouldn’t go into battery. They removed the burr and I haven’t had a malfunction since, even in a course where I was prone in a sand and gravel pit and there was plenty of external debris to cause a malfunction if the pistol was still problematic.
I just got the mr920 elite and I’m having feed failure as well, I won this pistol in a raffle, do I fight through this issue by putting some rounds through it? Or should I try and contact someone? I literally haven’t even shot it yet. I’m a new firearm owner so I don’t know much about anything yet so any advice would be appreciated
Thanks for the honesty!! I love my CR and rely on it everyday to protect me and my family!!!
I picked up a MR920L elite, and man I couldn’t be happier, it’s such a killer piece and shadow systems seems to be a top notch company. Thanks for dropping facts like this.
I have a 918 elite and 920 War Poet, both took about 3-4 mags to settle in. I also found running a mag of 124 +P helps accelerate the break in
I think all 1911's have a definite break in period. I consider it normal for anything mechanical. Great video, thanks.
That is true.
Most 1911s, 2012 era Sig Tac ops Extreme series held together tightly and I thought, as usual, it would require 300 rounds to mate. Nitron finish I think is why it never had a problem or me with it. My SCAR 17s had metal shavings in the extractor or its polymers gunked the extractor edge flush. It would extract around after 40 shots it's the first time to the range. After thorough cleaning before shooting it the first time to after 40 rounds, I found a bunch of metal factory shavings and polymer substances. I haven't been to the range again. I think the weapon is mating okay on the friction areas. Yep, most handguns or rifles require a break-in period. There should be a break-in period oil to mate the surfaces better. A slightly higher viscosity grease or thick oil. Both will gunk up a weapon, and make it fail out of the box. Fail isn't a thing under 400 rounds. As I said, my extractor became a metal shaving hideaway. It happens so we need to make sure springs are kept oiled. Springs have micro-cracks that rust can set in within hours. I stretch my magazine springs twice a year, then slightly oil them up to retain their tension. This is why I'm a believer in Magpul products and tip my hat to Kevin here for using Magpul products. It was night and day difference in Iraq using Magpul products, especially our Big Red One lives depend on the magazine of choice. Shadow systems didn't use a Glock magazine because they care if you live.
@@medicchester Chester that's good information, I've always said to people that buy a new gun period, pistol, rifle, shotgun, take it home and give it a good breakdown and cleaning, Lube the firearm. I brush or use compress air to blow out loose shavings and no one can tell me they don't have shavings in their guns, they will especially all forged frames, steel frame pistols. A good cleaning and lube are necessary and will cost you less in ammo to smooth out the gun. New car engine, break in and first oil change are vital. Same with firearms ! Good call on your part.
Good 1911’s are tight and tight 1911’s need to be broken in. Period.
This guy did a really good job of explaining the break in period of a gun and why it's necessary. Many of us knew this already but I will definitely be forwarding this to people I know that don't know.
I would love to see a cleaning / lube / maintenance video on technical Tuesday!
We have to clean these?
I agree with you whole heartedly. I'm glad yall make it tight... makes for an AWESOME pistol in the long run. Don't change. Loving the MR920 Elite (and love that yall are local). God bless!
This company is outstanding. By far one of the best in my opinion. They truly understand engineering. From the way the optics mount under slight pressure from the back plate, the use of full length mounting screws, amazing trigger feel and function, and the inter-changeable grip design, brilliant. Oh yea, and it looks freakin cool too! Just bought my second MR920!
I just picked up an MR920 Combat a couple months ago and it's already my EDC. While I thought the 200rd break-in was odd to state, it was already in line with my own personal belief in break-in. You came out and said it; I appreciate that. It didn't like Hornady Critical Defense at the beginning (was trying to initially zero my Holosun 507C), but it cleared up by 100rds in.
The best 12 minutes I've spent at looking to a video for a long time. THANK YOU for that awesome explanation. Makes me want to sell one of my Glocks to get one of your products! 😉👍
I just traded one of my 19’s and 43 for a MR920, It’s an amazing shooter and feels amazing in the hand
I was on the fence about my CR920P, until I saw this video. Around the 7-8 min mark explaining the trade off between accuracy and break-in helped the most. I have 500+ rounds down range and have used 114g range ammo, 124g FMJ, 90g and 145g self defense all in a hope to break this in. Yet #1: it fails to eject once or twice per 50 rounds, on any ammo. And #2, it is WAY LESS accurate than any "new" compact/subcompact I've owned. To be clear on that, even from the bench at 10 yards it will throw 25% of rounds outside a 4" group.
So thank you - this video helped me quite a bit. The CR920P goes.
Love my MR920 and it broke in beautifully
I have purchased 3 Shadow Systems the last 2 months. Great pistols. I have all three models and one is with me everyday. Thanks for making a great product. I shoot my long slide better than I have any competition gun in the last year.
Glad to hear the MR920L is treating you well at matches. It's my go to for production and SSP. Trevor
@@ShadowSystemsCorp do you folks plan on making a g34 model?
I literally just picked up the mr920 Elite from my FFL, took it to the range and put about 300 rounds thru it with not the best ammo... I had ZERO malfunctions not one. I used my Glock 19 mags because I'm in a shitty State and can't have more than 10 rounds so I had to buy the gun without magazines.
I didn't believe the hype about how flat and soft this gun shoots. At the range, the range master came in and asked to try it, he said he saw me putting rounds down range so quickly with great recoil control he wanted to know what I was shooting.
I've been shooting for about a year and today by was the best range session I had to date.. this gun makes me such a better shooter no joke ... thank you very much for an awesome product!!!
Just wish it shipped with 10 round mags but that's just a small nitpick for otherwise a fantastic pistol.
I purchased my MR920 a couple days ago, I absolutely love this gun. The operation of this pistol is absolutely amazing, far exceeded my expectations. I agree 100% with your statement on the break in process and I honestly can see how one could disagree with it. I will say I had 3 failures back to back in the first three initial attempts. First two was failure to chamber the initial round (sticky) the third was a light primer strike. After I ran the initial mag through the gun, it performed flawlessly. I’ve now ran 1,000 rounds through this gun and I’ve had zero issues. Groupings are amazing and is one of the best shooting guns in my arsenal. Great system 💯
Broke in my new XR 920 this past weekend and not one issue with the first 125 rounds. I’m very happy with this purchase!! Great product!!
My Staccato was very accurate and reliable right out of the box.
Love my MR920. But I have to say, I had some issues for the first 500 rounds. I was expecting a break in period and did t worry too much about it. After about 500 rounds NO issues. Was able to shoot a couple of IDPA matches with it before and after COVID. Great gun!
Great shooting pistol! Love my War Poet MR920! I want to buy another one I like it so much. Best shooting pistol I have ever shoot.
Got my new MR920 over the weekend and took it out to shoot. I experienced quite a few failure to feeds and a couple failure to return to battery.
After the first 175 rounds the issues worked themselves out. I shot another 100 rounds and had no other issues.
Seems like a great product and have a WP version on order as well with tentative delivery in late December.
Keep up the great work!
Bought an XR920 Foundation yesterday from a local gun store and took it to the range today expecting some issues after reading the numerous comments re. the "break-in" period. Prior to the range, I gave it a quick cleaning and lubrication prior to shooting as I do with every new gun I get. Shot over 350 rounds with 4 different ammo types (Federal 124g HSTs and 3 brand name full metal jacket range ammo). Not one failure of any kind. Ran flawlessly as I hoped it would. Very accurate and smooth. Very pleased with the gun. Will be ordering a tritium front sight tomorrow from Shadow Systems.
Finally, someone is talking about this. I don't know how many people say they just bought an XYZ and in the first 200 rounds I had 3 or 4 malfunctions and I won't buy any more XYZ because of that reason.
I’m in maintenance/construction and I completely agree with your break in statement. But great video I’m getting my mr920l next week super excited!
Mine is sitting in my safe as it is my b-day present (in Dec)... Thinking of convincing my wife break-in should be done within the first week of purchase. Any chance you could put up an update video for me???
Matthew, wish we could help but that's going to be a hard one to sell! Trevor
My MR920 Combat is wrapped and under the tree! Stoked for Christmas day. I plan on field stripping, cleaning, oiling and dry firing for a while. Then, to the back yard to shoot some steel! Great video!
Nice to hear! Hope you enjoy your pistol. Wish I had a range in my backyard!
My CR920P has 150 rounds with zero issues. Love it. Used 124gr and even had some nosler 115gr and ran flawlessly
I love mine and I love these videos! Every question I’ve had has been answered by these videos!
Well said, valid points. Some folks do not believe there should not be a break-in period with modern handgun designs, ok that is on you. For decades I carried 1911s that cost 4 or 5 times what a MR920 does and they all had a minimum break-in period of 500 rounds without failure before they went into the carry rotation. My MR920 round count stands at 2,000 + without a single failure and now is my regular carry. Furthermore, anyone who has a gun for self defense should not only break it in, but also verify functionality with the defensive ammo that is going to be used. Is all this absolutely necessary, no it will probably function fine. But I choose not to settle on probably if my life maybe on the line.
Well said.
I have the xr920 foundation model put 100 rou ds dow range with 2 malfunction buring first 25 rounds.. after that it was flawless
Definitely the only ones willing to talk about it!!!❤❤❤❤ love you guys!!
I picked up my MR 920 combat 3 days ago and followed this process: 1) field strip and cleaned (clenzoil CLP) 2) soaked barrel in clenzoil CLP for 10 minutes 3) wiped down barrel 4) followed Trevor’s lube process but instead of lube in slide rail I applied clenzoil gun grease but lube in all other areas 5) loaded mags and carefully cycled them (10 mags) and in between worked slide repeatedly 6) before going to range I cleaned and properly lubed gun with clenzoil lube. When I went to the range I put 170 rounds down range with 2 different grains of ball ammo (Winchester winclean 124 gr, Blazer brass 115 grain) every round fired without a single issue, slide release chambered round reliably when applied. The MR920 combat performed amazing, easy to control and great feel for me with high backstrap. This process can save you some rounds for break in period.
Fact: The break-in period for most pistols is more rounds than most people have ever shot in their lives. ;) Come on, folks!
How many is that ?
How many rounds you talking? I don't think the barrel will last that long.
If a samurai didnt train with his sword he'd be dead before the first dual lol
Don’t think this applies to anyone buying shadow systems. Not exactly a very first gun buy.
@@seanc2699 ya it is
I am not a glock type person but I really want one of these. Every manufacturer need to follow these guys example
100% agreement with your comments at the end about “duty/responsibility” to shoot a few hundred rounds through any gun even with todays ammo prices🙈I recently purchased your Dr920P Elite and dry-fired about 1,000 rounds through it before taking it to the range and fired 100 rounds. Have numerous Staccatos, Wilson Combat guns for several years and carried Glocks for half of my Federal LEO Service. Was AMAZED with the ease of recoil management, tight shot placement, and quick follow-up shots after first 100 rounds. Frankly….. I only had that same feeling during the first time I shot my Staccato XL that cost me three times more for similar performance. Still love my Staccatos and Wilson Combat weapons, but must admit this is the best bang for the buck😂that I’ve ever purchased. Good Job 🤠 with your creation👍
Totally agree. Non engineers might not be able to see that technical details
Cars, motorcycles and just about every other mechanical device has a break in and fluid change schedule
Thank you! Having shot pistols who had over 2000 rounds through the barrel compared to a new pistol, made me realize that.
This just cannot be argued with. This is good learning.
Great video, definitely true, especially when a gun is made of different materials, polymer and steal. I am saving up for the MR920. I started out with Caniks because of price and value. I was unaware there was a break-in period I should have known better. I changed out springs and tried all kinds of ammo when I should have just shot the hell out of it. Too many people buy guns and have never shot them and expect the gun to protect them. Your a company I want to do business with, appreciate your honest.
My Glock 19 gen 5 had THREE failure to feeds during its break in.
My MR 920 had ZERO malfunctions. I pushed past the break in and did a full pistol vetting range day and still zero malfunctions. I shot better with the 920 day one than I have ever been able to with the G19.
Damn fine pistol!
I have two MR920s. One for each hand of course... thanks, useful info video. Keep up the great work and products!
Very well explained, bought one earlier today looking forward to more stuff from you guys! Keep it up
Love my MR920! No problems with the first 200 rounds. Really pleased with these kinds thoughtful decisions you guys made!
I own a 920l and have owned a 918. Both worked a 100 percent right out of the box. I own several high end 1911s. They needed break in . Kimber will tell you don't call us until you have fired 500 rounds through your Kimber pistol. Every day my 920l rides in my duty holster. That the best endorsement , I can give.
100% agree. Break-in is not only for the new firearm, it is also for the shooter who has never fired that particular gun. 10 of the same guns may feel and fire different for the end user. Break-in allows the shooter to learn the characteristics of that firearm as well. I would argue that buying a used firearm with 5000 rounds fired requires break-in for the shooter to learn it, the functionality, sights, quirks, and etc.
I'm at 3,500 rounds and I've had the gun for 3 months. No issues yet. I do think the brass ejection path is odd. But, I love the gun.
I thought this video was a joke at first!!! I guess not everyone knows ALL NEW guns have break in period. He is doing his part to educate so good for him!! Not to mention the influx of new shooters who maybe went for a mr920 or guys who just bought their first NEW gun. Moving parts on anything = break-in period, that's a fact! Beside who would complain when they get told they have to shoot a few hundred round?
A gun and its components are either within tolerance, or not within tolerance according to a print. It either functions how it is supposed to after being manufactured, or it does not. A clean, unobstructed, newly manufactured firearm from the factory should load, fire, extract and eject properly unless there is some sort of *specific* user error involved.
Ammo isn't exactly cheap anymore, either.
Getting my mr920 in all black this week. It’s taken almost a month to come in. Super excited, first shadow pistol. I’ve always bought ruger, Taurus, Glock.
I agree. Even the Mercedes’ and BMW cars I’ve purchased have had break-in periods per the manufacturer’s instructions.
Got a DR920 E and put 250 rounds through it out of the box of steel case and didn't have any issues. Feels great!
Just bought my mr920 today really like this gun.
Well I understand what saying about break in period. I just got cr920xp the gun is having all sorts of problems. I am in contact with shadow systems now. Hopefully you all resolve this problem
My War Poet MR920 has 350 rounds through it without issues!! Great tack driver!!
Just put it through 700 rounds with Modern Day Samurai RDS course and ran great! I would say that the trigger has improved but still a lot of over travel so will be changing it out for Overwatch Precision Falx trigger. Someone had commented to me about rattling and then removed their comment so no it doesn’t rattle!
great info! thanks! What about the popular method of shooting five rounds then cleaning then shooting 5 then cleaning again to break in a new gun??? Does this help with accuracy? furthermore would it matter on a regular pencil barrel as much as a competition bull barrel? !
Great video. As an example: my SFP9 (VP9 where it's named normaly) had feeding/extracting problems with 115gr ammo. I had to use heavier bullets over breaking period. After ~500 rounds my HK Was eating all types of ammo. Now I'm looking forward to put my hands on DR920.
Always issued glock from my department and thats what I bought. Never did anything but trigger upgrades. I took a DR920 elite on a trade..... DAMN these things are Supreme. I ran our qual course with it and my time and score was night and day. Just messing around I was hitting clay pigeons at 50yds. You've made a customer for life
Bro, You guys knocked this out of the park. I've had my MR920 Combat Optic for about 2 weeks and i'm 200 rounds in. This gun is FANTASTIC. I love what you did. You FIXED the "innovative" Glock that hadn't sen true innovation (minus the gen 5 / mos) in almost 20 years. All Glock does is try and play catch up. YOU GUYS gave the user WHAT WE WANT right out of the box. Thank you. I really hope departments start picking these up as duty guns. The component and holster interchangeability is going to be the niche I think.
Kevin, sorry! I saw this comment a while ago and loved it, but I forgot to respond. We are so happy that you like your MR920. We really try to give our customers the most out of the box in a package that works day in and day out. Thanks for the comment. Keep us posted. Trevor
Both my MR920s broke in great. I cleaned it every 50 rounds and put a drop of oil on in “the sweet spot.” The guns are flawless.
I noticed the trigger has gotten way better than right out of the box
under the 'hook' of the connector
Cleaning after every 50 rounds is retarded.
Break it in, and then Shoot a whole 2 day pistol course without cleaning it... then you can trust it and label it reliable.
@@mrdark9916 I only did it for the first 300 rounds.
Never, ever, EVER have I had to clear a stoppage after EVERY round. EVER!
Same until I bought a CR 920xp. I had a malfunction and every single round for the first four magazines
Cheers from Oklahoma brother great information
I have had a xr920 for a few months no malfunctions and it shoots great I didn’t really feel a break in period my gun it shoots fantastic even from distance I’ve maybe put 50 through it
Lol a funny comparison to draw but I review guns on my channel - I had to send back a Taurus recently and they told me break in was 300 rounds!
Haha! That's pretty funny, but it is true, that all guns benefit from some break in. Thanks for sharing that story!
My buddies Break in on his Taurus was about 50rds. The POS literally broke!!
Kinda like my Kimber Micro9 that didn't last past 100rds. Lol
I know you are just getting into open guns. In the 90's procedure was to get your open gun from the gunsmith. Then, shoot 500 rounds and compile a list of your problems for when you returned it to the gunsmith for final tuning
Not to argue or disagree, I can only tell my experience.
Got my WPS MR920 in May. From the paperwork that I read, I expected some break-in issues to arise. But, I never did have any issues with it. It has never failed to fire and never failed to eject in at least 1700 rounds. I’ve taken two combat handgun classes with it. 450-500 rounds each and had no issues. This is my favorite pistol.
haha! Glad your experience has been a positive one. Shoot the heck out of it!
Bought mine week before last and shot it last weekend. Shot 200 rounds for the break in. Shot flawlessly.
Great vid, honest company that is realistic about their firearms and proper break in. Just picked up my first shadow systems firearm. mr920L.
Thanks for this info. I just got a MR920 and have about 500 rds thru it and i like it alot. The only issue is that it isn t going into barrey. I can hit it and it goes but kinda bums me out i have to hit it for this to happen. Another MR920 person said to dremel polish the feed ramp and that ll clear that up. I guess that speeds the break in process up lol. Giving this a try and hopefully that ll get me fixed up
First few magazines through my CZ P07 was like that, a couple of misfeeds, works fine now.
I own a MR920 and an MR920L. During the "break-in" period across both firearms, I had just one single malfunction. That was the second round of the very first magazine of the MR920 failed to feed into the chamber after the very first round was fired. A whack to the rear of the slide and the round chambered and not a single malfunction since. The MR920L had zero malfunctions. This includes not only the break-in period, but also every round fired since then too. It also encompasses (intentionally) a very wide range of ammunition makes and models.
I do understand the "controversy," though. Ammunition is very expensive and, currently, difficult to find for purchase. I am admittedly fortunate to a point where this hasn't been a controversy for me personally, but I have a high level of respect for millions of gun owners who are not in that same position. Shooting 250 rounds for "break-in," including testing of one's carry ammunition, is a time-consuming, expensive, and potentially ammo inventory depleting endeavor. And it is a tough decision to make when you read story after story from other SSC pistol owners talking about how there gun never malfunctions, even during the break-in. So I get it. I appreciate Trevor saying the true "break-in" period is really more like 100 rounds (a few magazines). That should help ease the controversy a lot.
Love this. Looking to pick one up this weekend!
my factory glock 19 needed about 150 rounds before all the springs became smooth instead of gritty
I just bought a shadow systems DR 920 ...can't wait to break it in
Running a couple mags of your self defense ammo through the gun should be mandatory.
Admittedly, when I saw the video title, I had a little PTSD from my sniper rifle break in.
Keep it up, these are great videos!
I was surprised to see the difference between how smooth the action on my well used (3000+ rounds) 918 vs. my brand new 920. The 920 isn't bad by any means, just a little chunky for the first hundred or so rounds. It's broken in now and the difference between it and my 918 aren't as dramatic. Now it's just spring and trigger are a little stiffer but just a little. Nothing some trigger time won't cure. Can't wait to break in my DR when they hit public market. Hoping to break in a G34 size shadow in the future too...
Just ordered an elite mr920. Definitely looking forward to it
I agree. The Agency Arms NOC even advertise a 500 round break-in period using a combination of 115, 124, and 147 gr 9mm ammo.
I broke in my new CR 920 Warrior Poet pistol today. I put 205 rounds thru it. No issues, functioned perfectly with various ammo including two types of carry ammo. Very accurate, it is easy to make accurate hits at 40 yards.
I’ve NEVER had to break my DR920 in ! I shot over 300 rds through it the first day I got it and did not have one single hiccup. I’ve seen multiple videos on UA-cam of people saying they had to shoot 200-250 rds to break it but I did not encounter any malfunctions
I have the CR 920 and it took 400 rounds until it was flawless.
I also purchased the DR920P and it took 100 rounds for no malfunctions.
It’s called mechanical engineering! Good to see a manufacturer address these issues
I bought a DR920 foundation series and so far ran 200 rounds FMJ with only one malfunction (trying to feed on an empty casing which failed to extract). Gonna run another 2-300 rounds
My shield plus when I got it, the extended mag could only fit 9 bullets. After about 90 rounds the mag can take the full amount easy. Just had to break it in.
Absolutely correct. Even when you buy a Uninterrupted Power Supply Unit, You will smell off gassing from it for a few weeks and after being used a little bit, it stabilizes and stops and breaks in. Goes with anything.
I recently purchased a CR920P and have put over 400 rounds through it. I'm still having minor feeding and ejection issues. I really like the CR920P, but I just don't feel confident enough trusting my life to it being a Criminal Investigator. I will be doing some polishing to it and see if that would finally make it worth carrying on a daily basis.
The simple fact is, even before shadow systems said it we armorers and gunsmiths were talking about break in periods as we all discussed how many rounds should be fired through it before you can really call a gun broken in. Seeing a whole bunch of people freak out about this breaking. With Shadow systems really reminds me how uninformed the average shooter tends to be.
They're "freaking out" because they're paying somewhere around $1000 (maybe more) for a handgun that in their cases is having reliability issues out of the box. For some sub $300 plastic pistol from certain manufacturers, fine...such things often (not always, but often) can be expected. For a gun this expensive most people don't want to go through 4 or 500 round "break in" periods, because the perception is that since they are paying more for something like this, the gun should be good to go from the factory.
@@dexm2010 but that's just it the part they don't understand is all firearms do have a break-in period. People freak out because Shadow systems admitted it. I'll get BCM AR-15s Glocks Kimber 1911s you name it come into the shop cuz people think something's wrong with them when really they're just not broken in yet. All it is is that shadow systems was willing to admit it
@@rorinthelarpdad120 Before I go any further, let me just say this, because I think it is important to clarify a bit. I do not generally believe in a "break in" period, but I'm also not saying that because a new pistol or rifle has a single misfeed, failure to extract/eject, or some other kind of malfunction here and there initially that it is necessarily a problem, or that the gun is junk. Sometimes these "malfunctions" aren't even "malfunctions" at all, but just the operator making some simple mistake (not seating a magazine all the way in for example). I honestly would not be surprised if more often than not, most "problems" or "malfunctions" were operator induced somehow, rather than caused by the firearm or the ammo itself. I have no way of proving that, but it wouldn't surprise me.
Also, I am somewhat more forgiving personally of handguns that don't feed or cycle very well certain types of JHP rounds, just because there are so many out there now, and with that a lot of variables in play. People need to try their defense ammo in their particular gun to ensure it feeds and cycles properly, that is their responsibility...there's only so much the manufacturer can do on their end in making barrels that will ensure proper feeding with an assortment of so many different JHP rounds.
What I tend to call BS on is stuff like when fairly conventional FMJ rounds cannot consistently feed, fire, extract or eject from a modern manufactured handgun ( especially if it is either a "full sized" service pistol, or a "compact" version of such a gun that is nearly the same size). With few exceptions, there really is no reason most modern handguns should have a problem even brand new cycling most brass cased FMJ rounds from vetted, quality manufacturers like Winchester or Federal.
A "hiccup" on one or two rounds, for one mag, that *possibly* was even due to user error, and then no problems for 500-1000 rounds or more later...something like that's ok. Failure to feed or extract 9 or 10 times out of a 17 round magazine *consistently* , or having a nice, new, clean gun *consistently* every mag throw every 3rd empty ejected casing back right into your face (*cough late Gen 3/Early Gen 4 Glock 17/19 cough*) despite using a proper grip with no "limp-wristing"...that is a different story.
A gun with issues like those, those are not "break in" quirks that will get better on their own or through more rounds through the gun , those are guns that came from the factory unfinished somehow, were assembled improperly, or assembled with one or more nonconforming parts (out of tolerance parts). I'm not saying Shadow Systems does this, and I don't believe they would do something like this, but some manufacturers will purposely machine a "good", in tolerance part in order to get it to fit or interface with a "bad", out of tolerance part in order to avoid scrapping the "bad" part out. I don't know how widespread the practice is in the industry, but whenever a gun like that is shipped from a manufacturer and put on a shelf somewhere, if a functional problem does show up later on, it can be a real pain for someone sometimes to figure out what is causing it.
I guess what I'm saying with all of this, is that I believe you that probably most of the guns you see people bring in to the shop are basically fine, and are probably the result of people panicking prematurely over a minor issue that they might have even inadvertently caused themselves...but on the other hand, there are also very real cases out there today where the manufacturer has clearly dropped the ball and put out a plain lemon as the result of poor machining, assembling and QC before a gun gets shipped out.
This is great thanks
Just bought an mr920p. I was on my third mag before it cycled a round for the first time. Basically a bolt action pistol. Im now at 225 rounds and it is down to one malfunction per magazine. I have several nighthawks, wilson combat and staccato pistols. I am used to heavy break in on steel frame guns. But, this is the first time I have seen it with a polymer pistol.