Technical Tuesday: IDPA vs USPSA
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- Опубліковано 4 вер 2023
- If you have ever, even for a second, considered competition shooting, please watch this video.
Quinn and Trevor talk through the differences between USPSA and IDPA and what Shadow Systems guns will fit in each category. The central message here is "go for it!" You don't need fancy equipment or specialized ammunition to start. Trevor started with a GI .45 and 7 round magazines. Competition is the fastest way to learn. Find a USPSA or IDPA match near you and check it out! - Розваги
IDPA was created by Bill Wilson, after seeing the success of USPSA. He needed a place to sell his very expensive 1911s. Match and rules geared for single stacks. But still pretty good practice.
For guys who carry and haven't competed, I strongly recommend competing with your normal carry gear, just with more magazines. Test your skills under pressure. Don't go there to with the match. Go there to win the gunfight. I use my concealed carry gear and compete in Open with my War Poet, so I ain't winning any matches any time soon. 😁
My MR920/508t combo was solid in IDPA CO, it is by far my favorite gun to shoot in IDPA 🤙
As a firearm instructor, I've been doing this exact thing for the last 25 years and I STRONGLY encourage students and anyone I know who carries to "compete" for organized trigger time.👍
Great advice man! I 100% agree about training with what you walk around with in your day to day life. Competing with that gear insures that if you do have to use your tools in a real life situation it won’t be the first time you’ve done it with speed under pressure. Sure the pressure isn’t the same but it’s a great way to induce stress you would otherwise struggle to incorporate.
I’ve shot now twice in USPSA CO with a P365XL with EPS from AlWB in every day clothes. I also do the same in Production with a stock internals P-01. It’s a great way to test your carry gear. I quickly discovered my Neo mag holder was garbage.
Exactly 💯. My EDC is my M&P 2.0 4.25 C.O.R.E with ported barrel & Holosun 507comp green dot. The factory ports place me in open class. But I shoot AIWB from concealment, strictly to become more comfortable & proficient with actual carry.
Great video. Well done. Thank you guys. I hope you’ll all post when one of your guns wins in various competitions.
FYI, IDPA is now 15 rounds in Stock service pistol. You can also use comps in ESP and Carry optics as long as the comp is integrated into the gun, no screw on comps. The DRP is legal in both those divisions, stated by our state coordinator. I shoot my DRP in carry optics, My DR920L in Stock service and my Mr920 in CCP. Love em!
Whoa! I feel so uninformed! We’ll look into this. Obviously, you can tell how long it has been since I shot a match! Thank you for the correction! Trevor
And PF for CCP is now 105
Screw on comps are legal
@@bretwalley4673, the only rules I see in the book are below. I know at one time the rule specifically said "screw on or Pinned comps are not allowed" but I don't see a rule stating that screw on comps are allowed. But our AC says they rewrote the rule saying all it has to do is fit the box, so I guess it's kind of a grey area now... go figure.
A.2.1.5 Firearms originally sold as compensated/ported models may be used in ESP with noncompensated/ported barrels installed.
A.2.3.2 Compensated and ported barrels that are incorporated into the firearm
@@KMC_Shooting like I said, screw on comps are legal, as long as it fits the box and makes weight.
Amazing vid! Thank you! starting my competing journey Saturday:) very helpful!
Shooting my first idpa match on Saturday. Thanks for the push.
Love this video. I was looking for what the difference was and this spells it out.
You can now do ports and comps in CO in idpa as well.
In my first local USPSA match IPSC world champion Luke Cao was in my squad. It was a humbling learning experience. I just did my best to watch & soak up as much knowledge as I could & not do anything stupid to get myself dq'd
This was very helpful!
My first match I shot woth Morgan Leonhardt. No idea who she was at the time but it was a humbling experience to say the least
Morgan is super talented. She just got picked up by Team Glock as well!
@@jackwicker Yeah Glock and Eley from what I’ve seen. She’s a phenomenal shooter. After watching her Dad shoot it wasn’t hard to figure out where it came from.
Great video thanks for explaining all this.. we have a private group that meets every Thursday and shoot IDPA style courses. Most fun you can have with your clothes on.
Can’t wait to get my hands on one
I used to shoot 3-4 times a year and was in squads with Master and Grand Master shooters. They knew I was good but not up to their class (D and C rated) Only sport that the best would stand next to you, offer advice and treat you like a peer with very few exceptions. Took 20 year break now looking to start up again
USPSA has a Limited Optic provisional category now. I shot limited major and moving toward limited optic.
I typically try to comment relevant to the video at hand however, i cant help but ask if there's any expected timeframe to see the cr920p in stock at places?
Question, for carry optics, is there any advantage in shooting the dr920L vs the standard dr920?
Pretty good info.
Are use the MR 920 and it performs very very well out of the box with a compensator. I use that for all my competitions and I usually rank from 2nd to 5th place on the last nine competitions now I cannot say that about the CR 920 is completely shit when it comes to Accracy as my back up gun
Any chance for a SS larger aluminium magwell ?
B.U.G. is six rounds max per mag, no +1, but you do get four mags.
Maybe Quinn and Shadow Systems could offer classes on competitive shooting.😎✌️
IDPA SSP has a 15 round mag limit, not 10. Not sure if this is a rule change for 2024.
Are you guys working on new guns ? Got a MR920 and a CR920 a need something new. Love this guns.
Actually I just started shooting in November. I shot my first competition in Jan with a s&w shield compact. I finished 12th out of 48 people. It was a practice round not an actual competition although you wouldn’t know it by the shooters.
Once again asking for a steel framed or otherwise heavyweight DR920 :) The DR920 is awesome for Carry Optics, and it's without a doubt the best gun for it in its weight class, but it is a little on the light side lol.
+1 on this. The DR920L is even lighter than the G34 and without the same options to add weight (eg stuffing tungsten putty into the hollow of the grip). But I think SS is too focused on duty and carry roles.
Maybe they could work with Taylor Freelance or something to make a batch of brass backstraps
@@mattrognstad that would be awesome. BNB machining may be coming out with brass backstraps relatively soon.
In the last USPSA magazine issue, I believe Production was still the largest division and Carry Optics had the most growth.
That hasn't been the case for a little while. Carry Optics is by far the largest division and has been for a couple years.
^this
If you shoot the MR920 in an IDPA match in CCP division where they check equipment and you want to use the Shadow Systems magwell that comes with the gun, you will need to file some material off to make it fit in the CCP box as it is too wide.
Ssp idpa is now 15 rounds
So you can use PCC in IDPA which goes against the concealed carrying concept? But you can’t use a CZ Shadow 2 pistol and who cares about weight if it’s concealed?
What size dot do you guys recommend for CO?
6 MOA as smaller dots get lost in the excitement
@@septimiusseverus1154smaller dots do not get lost.
That's a training issue.
Large dots can cover the A zone at long distance. Small dots have enough settings to make it even too bright and large to use in the sun. If you are staring at your dot, you are doing it wrong. However at longer distance you may find longer confirmation required. Go small.
IDPA Carry Optics from Canada DR920😎
2 weeks ago I shit my 1st USPSA match my goal was to finish and not get DQ I ended up finishing middle of the pack in open class
Going to shoot a Qualifier Friday
You "shit" a competition?
Dude, is there video?
Right on brother! Keep it up…Good luck on Friday
SSP in IDPA has 15 round limit not 10
Whats the point of major during a match?
Scoring zones get more points. A zone is 5 pts per shot minor and major. C zone is 3 points minor, 4 points major. D zone is 1 point minor, 2 points major. Difference is due to the power factor being double what +p ammo is vs. factory level (125pf = minor), 145 pf is +p ammo, (165pf = major) NEVER USE MAJOR in a factory gun (most guns). It'll blow it up.
@kenwickes2497 ok so basically ur getting bonus points for controlling more recoil from a spicy round?
Yup. Single stack and Limited are also divisions you can shoot major in.@@dustinpribble1546
Testing everyone’s hearing protection.
Stock service?
Every cop I've seen has an RMR mounted.
In the immortal internet commando words of Jocko: “you got smashed?!? Good!”
Me, I'm Karl with a K
There was a time when it was friendly competition. No longer. It used to be for working class folks with LIMITED time for practice and occasional competition. Now you have to compete against people that have no responisibilities. They shoot 52 weekends a year, 3 times during the week, and in between sit at a reloading bench.
dude, SSP has 15 rounds
All the STUPID "rules and regs" in IDPA is exactly why I don't bother. Making different divisions is as easy as typing a few paragraphs.🙄 My EDC is generally a 356xl with a Wilson Combat grip module, red dot and holds 15+1. I have shot it in USPSA matches(mostly getting ready for the Sig EDC championship) and that little sucker runs like a sewing machine! If you carry a certain thing a certain way, why TF would you PRACTICE shooting any other way? Answer: YOU SHOULDN'T! It creates training scars and bad habits. My brother in law used to go to cowboy action matches. I took him to the range and when he drew his 1911 he was looking for the hammer with his left thumb every time out of HABIT.
I just started shootings my XL in CO. I use the 17’s as 15 rounders are discontinued and impossible to get in CA. I normally shoot an SP-01 production and the difference in split times is vast. Have your splits improved over time?
"Don't think you're going to the range against world class shooters your first time. These are just working guys out on the weekend to have fun".
Me: Lives close to a range that trains and puts out world class shooters 😬
I have gone to a few matches to observe and learn a bit. Did not like what I saw. Too many people with WAY too much time on their hands. 40 years ago, or even 30 years ago, it was less of a "spend-as-much-money-as-humanly-possible" situation as it is now. You would win this month, and maybe I would win next month. Now it is the same five guys in places one through five every time. Kind of defeats the purpose. Your mileage may vary.
Same here. There are 4 GM’s at our club and a lot of Masters. It’s like having coaches all the time. They are generous with observations and shooting tips . I shoot from a rig and from concealment .
@@kagyu1 I hope that you can enjoy it. I wish I could. I know that it is not 1983 and President Reagan is no longer in the White House. I know the "shooting sports" have changed. Some good changes, some not so good. No one shooting production in USPSA or stock service pistol in IDPA where I am. All carry optics, pistol caliber carbines, and unaffordable "John Wick" guns. Best of luck to you.
@@reynoldcindrich4851 I shoot a CZ SP-01 in Production . My friend did the trigger job and installed the Cajun Gun Works/ CZ Custom parts. I also shoot a stock internals P-01 from appendix from concealment in every day clothes, my every day carry. I am a blue collar guy in the SF Area. Everyone seems to be in tech with 3-5k pistols. One of my favorite shooters shoots a stock Glock 26 and smokes a lot of people with more expensive guns. He consistently shoots a 6 plate rack from the draw in 3 seconds or less. I’ll never be able to afford a 2011 but I haven’t even mastered the pistols I have. It’s the Indian not the arrow. I love it , but it’s not my religion.
@@kagyu1 I have a out of the box CZ 75 B, a Beretta 92 FS, and a third generation Glock 17. Cannot get more plain than that. No trigger work, no work of any kind. Just do not have the time to practice and/or compete. Wish I did.
Your guns are way overpriced
Idpa sucks. Uspsa doesn't. Joe welcome.