The answer is in Rig Veda itself, where if we the astronomical evidence of when rig veda was first created, it comes out to be around 200000 years ago. It was transferred orally between guru shishya in chand form, it was first penned down very very later around 5000 bc that's why this confusion is there. All vedas combine has amazingly scientific knowledge, that they can't be wrong about the timeline.
People need to read about a misdionary called Alexander Duff. He popularised the Aryan Invasion Theory to spread Christianity in Southern India. He wanted to tell them that their religion(Hinduism) eas imposed pn them by Foriegn conquerors. Today the Dravid movement considers Rama and Krishna as flagbearers of the Aryan Invaders. But Ram and Krishna were dark-skinned.
Funny thing is that 🤣 actuall mythology is "Aryan invasion theory " ...without much evidence we believe on it Entire india shows proof of every character in ramayana and mahabharath and we call them as mythology 😁😁
Mythology seems like myth but go anf check correct meaning of mythology , the word has myth but real meaning is different so hinduism including all religions are mythology
aryan "invasion" is a myth but that doesn't mean that aryan "migration" is a myth too. THere are archeological and literary evidences that suggest that there was a gap of about 300-400 years between the decline of Harappan civilization and the immigrations of the vedic tribes in north west india
@@ArghyadipGhoshArcheological & Literal Evidences? Please cite them sir. It’s a hoax hypothesis running a political narrative to suit different agendas
Funny thing is that 🤣 actuall mythology is "Aryan invasion theory " ...without much evidence we believe on it Entire india shows proof of every character in ramayana and mahabharath and we call them as mythology 😁😁
@@sahilsingh6048 but David Reich said yamnaya themselves were 2ndry people of proto indo European , it was his Theory of steppe origin of PTE but now he has new Theory of Anatolian and greater Iran origin of proto indo European ( including part of indus and Afghanistan)
I would highly recommend everyone to read the two masterpieces by Shrikant Talageri - "The Rig Veda: A Historical Analysis" and "The Rig Veda and Avesta: The Final Evidence". He has conclusively collected all the evidence and systematically shown that the most ancient ancestral land of the Vedic people was in the east - specifically the land between the Sarasvati and Ganga rivers i.e. today's Haryana and western U.P. For example, Rigveda 3.23.4 says that the best place on earth is the land between the rivers Sarasvati and Drshadvati (i.e. roughly Kurukshetra) which is the land of the ancient ancestors. The books or mandalas of Rigveda are not ordered according to their age. The oldest book is the 6th. It has no knowledge of any rivers west of Sarasvati, but it knows Ganga. Whereas the newer books show knowledge of more western rivers. All of this data is solid proof against so-called "Aryan invasion". In fact, the Vedic people expanded westwards from the east into the Saptasindhu region which shows up only in the last 10th book. Also, the date of 1500 BCE is a tired old fallacy from when Max Muller spat out a random date, and when asked about his evidence he backed away and said he has no evidence. In fact, anyone who reads the Vedas cannot miss the highly sophisticated language and poetry and also the frequent references to ancestors who were the first pathfinders. This itself is evidence that the development of such sophistication cannot happen in merely the short time scales given by so-called academic historians. The massive volume of Vedic texts and the change in linguistic style from the earliest layer to the latest layer cannot be placed to a short time period of 1500-500 BCE because by 500 BCE we already have Buddha and Panini's Sanskrit grammar. Language changes much more slowly and especially in a highly conservative tradition such as Vedic. So, we must give the Vedas a much longer time period - starting at least around 4500 BCE and ending around 1000 BCE.
Thank you for this comment! I strongly agree with the point about the suggested time scales being ridiculously short, I don't know how historians can explain such a vast change in language and the passing of such large chronologies of kings in merely a 1000 years..
Aryan migration in 1500 BC ? Other fellows ( eminent historians ) think it was in 1200 BC . Just think about the massive work done by these Aryan invaders . From 1500 BC to 600 BC ( Gautam Buddha period ) , in 900 years , they captured all the land from Afghanistan in the west to Assam in the East , from Balakh ( North of Kashmiri to Krishna River in South . They composed Vedic hymns ( 1000+ in RIGVEDA alone ) that is v4 SAMHITAs . Then they wrote BRAHMANAs , AARANYAKAs and 100 + Upanishads . They develop the most sophisticated grammar on earth . They invent a phoneme based script which cannot be understood unless you know acoustic phonetics ( a specially developed in 1960's onwards ). They developed and perfected 6 VEDNGAs . Before PANINI they had already written 10's of Praishakhyas and Vyakaranas . Number of books on VEDANGAs must be 100+ . The also wrote books like SHULVA SUTRAs . Books on Medical and Veterinary sciences . 6 schools of philosophy also came into existence . Huge education centres came up in TAKSHASHILA , KASHI etc Number of scholars was mind-boggling . Vasudeva Sharan Agrawal had counted 50 scholars who precede PANINI ( 4th century BC ) and contributed to Sanskrit grammar . At least THOUSAND PKUS BOOKS must have been written BEFORE Buddha . All these in just 900 years ! BEFORE Printing press ! . It is just impossible that this much was in just 900 years . But Aryan migration theoriests don't care about bfacts .
Yes it was actually Out of India migration that's why sanskrit scripts are found in agreement of mittani and hittie ancient empires. One more proof is stories about samrat and rajrishi bharat invading foriegn clans with kuru and puru tribes. Both Arya and Dravid ancient literature that's why it india is called Bharatvarsh in Vaidik scriptures and Bharatkhandam in Tamil scriptures. Rig Ved has a story mentioned about these tribes and there were more tribes too. I don't remember their name but it is said that kuru and puru moved to west and north while other tribes moved to south through navies. (existence of pali language is that's why associate with Tamil). And The stories of ancient Kuru Kingdom is mentioned in mahabharata, Tamil and Buddhist scriptures too. RajaRaja Chola was mentioned as Arya in both Tamil and Northern medival literature proving that Aryan is not race it means noble men.
Exactly. You are right on…And just to add to that, the migration of the so-called Aryans itself would have taken several hundreds of years, and that too through the Khyber Pass (limiting the number of people that can enter each day). And the Ramayana and Mahabharata were also during those 900 years. Consider the building of all those societies, social structures, palaces, kingdoms, etc. Also if these were nomads, how were they able to eventually build cities? And also build ships? And how did pastoral nomads suddenly become scholarly literary poet-priests (those are two completely different types of people)? The Aryan migration fable is utter nonsense.
After many many thousands of years we still differentiate Indians as Aaryan, Dravidian, castes, religion. Some one landed here first and then many more followed until yester years. Can we 100% wowch purity and originality after hordes of invasion and mix happened. Can we segregate pick Ganges water in the midst of any Ocean/River. Let us jointly take our country forward without heeding to any of these things. Now, like we cannot segregate ganga, Krishna, kaveri from Indian Ocean. Mike Indian Ocean it is Srif India.
It was Arya Brahmins who made strong class divisions by establishing Varna system. When they confronted the people of South, Varna system changed into caste system and named People outside Aryavarta as Chandalas.
@fieldspring5329 lol you fail to include the verses where his skin nose and jaw are also described as golden because that doesn't fit your narrative. He's also described as brown in other verses.
Acc. to the AMT the aryans came to India, started speaking Sanskrit, started compiling texts and began to rule everywhere, but they didn't mention anything about their homeland from where they have arrived, they called Saraswati river the biggest river, which in fact was completely dried up 6000 years ago, and the theory suggests of Aryans coming to India somewhere around 3500 years ago, so why did they mentioned things which they didn't even witness and didn't mention things which were very crucial for them? obviously because they wanted the future humans to debate over this and for us to use these facts to say that look Vedic culture originated from India only, they were soooo smart. /s
@@hkumar7340 aryan invasion has already been debunked but migration is the most supported while there is not a single proof that aryans were natives from india , it is so stupid that people still believe this theory that aryans were original indians such a stupidity.
@@Samratfromnorth he is stupid,, we are all austroloid, look how Hritik Roshan looks same as Johnny lever, we are all same, Aryans were indians saar...
Strangely Central Asia doesn't come up with concrete evidence of a former Vedic civilization. Surely it would be present in a more tangible religious , cultural, linguistic , customary and Architectural expression if this region was the motherland of the vedic civilization. Moreover this region lacks contemporary expressions of a Vedic civilization whereas Indias vedic past is strikingly mirrored in its present. So where's is the historical continuum of the Vedic civilization in Central Asia or Europe? Whereas India's present has evolved strongly with widespread expressions of its Vedic past.
The thing is the aryans became civilized after coming into contact with and mixing with the indigenous indus valley people. The aryans were steppe nomads like the mongols that lived in felt tents and moved from place to place before finally settling in the IVC. So no, there is no such thing as “vedic civilization” in central asia. I guess the closest thing would be the bmac culture, but they werent vedic aryans to begin with.
Vedic people were not anything special. They were nowhere near india when city states were built in harappa. They get so much importance due to them being an outside migration and they were exotic from local population. Common parallel is white worshiping present in modern indians or to larger extent in Asia overall. A poor white man will get best looking white girl or a white girl getting a high earning man just because it gives evolutionary advantage to the girl to get those white genes for her off spring as it will put them higher in hierarchy. The reason why indians or asians want white skin is not cuz britishers were educated or technological advanced its just about looking good😅 white people know how advantageous their skin is and how much they can mentally influence people. Same thing happened in india 4000 years ago these fair skinned tribes came into india and everyone started worshipping them just like whites are worshipped now and they started emulating their culture. Obviously they thought local people were inferior as they mentioned in their vedas but they themselves were just cow herders and probably traded agriculture crops which were new to subcontinent. Humans are very easy to manipulate with sex and beauty.
@@anika_h A case in point is Afghanistan. After centuries of conquest, socio-cultural transformation and recent wars the country nevertheless still yields tangible remnants and artifacts from a Bhudist past. Surely if Europe was the motherland of the Indic civilization it should yield tangible archeological evidence that demonstrates a civilizational continuum . Change is our challenge. Let us not use it as a tool with dismissive intent. Recent South Indian "finds" challenge the synchronicity of the time-line of the euro-centricity of skewed narratives.
I don't know Nationalists and RW indians would take my comment seriously BUT people have always migrated here and there not only in africa but around outside. Indians have a big component of Indus valley gene in them which has middle eastern origin plus African. But you won't say indians are Africans or Middle Easteners 😂😂😂. People from the Russian Steppe do invaded most of the Eurasia during 6000 BCE to 1000 BCE. Genocided Europe, started Hittite empire and even invaded egypt. These steppe people with their more advanced chariot technology and war like culture do MIGRATED in india. But the thing is, they didn't kill genocided already present indians and rather travelled deep in the Subcontinent, mixing and forming the caste system of india
@@madan469Mahabharat ramayan types of things is mythology bruh..u can even imagine if Islam came from Hinduism then why they ppls didnt say Sanatan word
She is reading from Wikipedia... if she making video on rig veda she has to take text from rig veda not from Wikipedia. If she taking about the important book she has to be historian .....
Let's talk..to travel large distance one has to travel on Horses. Let's take starting point from Central Asir or Europe , if one need to migrate to India from them one would use horse(at that time there were no cars or trains) Now to travel such large distance horse "BRIDLE" as well "noseband "is used. The thing is it wasn't developed until 1000 BC. Now horses are there in India atleast 1600BC. Horses are not from India yet somehow came to India in 1600 BC yet we know that to travel such large distance via horse one need bridle as well noseband. It's to maintain balance .Which were developed 1000bc...almost .600 yrs apart. Things doesn't add up.
People traveled from Russian/Ukrainian Steppe to india from 2500 BCE till 1000 BCE. They took approx 1500 years to travel just 5000 kms 😂😂😂. At that time, these pastoralist had developed chariots which in general provide tge rider, a comfortable position to stand and drive horses
Could it be that translating dasas as slaves is wrong? I submit that it is. In our lineage, a dasa is someone fully devoted to someone else. Uddhav and Gopalas are dasas of Shri Krishna.
Pro bharat means dividing ppl in the name of caste religion? Or killing our mothers and sisters in dowry harassment, domestic voilence or naked parades? Tukde tukde is you as ur brain is made in to pieces of caste hypocrisy, religious chavenism, hate towards fellow human and disgust towards nari samman.
What is said below may well surprise the scholars who give opposing views - first, that the Aryans (and their belief systems) were rooted in Bharat and the other saying that it was rooted in other parts of world. Based on a very ancient text called Yoga-vasishtha, the term 'Arya' relates to the commitment of a person who develops spiritual aspiration to have communion with the almighty Brahm, the ultimate reality. Such a person is termed a yogi - who is referred in the text as an Arya ho has studied scriptures, thereafter also made efforts to connect with spiritually elevated, self realised ones (Satsanga) and has finally decided to follow their path. This is the beginning of a long, even life-after-life trek that finally leads one to realisation of Brahm, and audience with God in so called Turyateeta state of consciousness of the aspirant yogi. It is like climbing up a seven stepped spiritual ladder leading to God. The term Arya applies to one who has climbed up to the third step; and when yogi climbs to seventh step the yogi has realised God. This has been explicitly stated in an exhaustive discourse given by the revered sage Vasishtha to none less than Shri Rama.It took place towards the end of Treta-yuga and has 'spiritual' connotations. The term Arya has nothing to do with ethnicity, race, colour of the skin, etc. if anyone wants exact textual reference, it will be provided.
In my view aryans also indians after indus civilization some of indians west, remaining people come down to south, west traveld people come to there home land after 1000years , we will called that people aryans but truth was they also indians
Namaste, The goal of Vedas is to understand Brahman. It does not describe any person, place, time, things like river. There is no history in it. Otherwise, it can not be an eternal, applicable to all, etc. One needs to first learn Sanskrit and then use Nirukta and grammar to understand true meaning of Vedas. Rig Veda has general science, Yajur Veda has social science, Saam Veda has Worship science and Atharva Veda contains practical science as medicine, etc.
Today the civilised and cultured Hindus do not know who they are. Since the British invasion and many temple's and cultured places of heritage have been destroyed. The burning down of Nalanda University and the constant Muslim invaders over 1000 years have left the people of Bharat Varsa not knowing who they are. - Kali Yuga..
As academic historian how does one forecaste caste system into the future given the knowledge accumulated on ancient history. Does one advocate intermingling of races, tribes, castes, religions etc?
No, this is really just speculation. In fact the original caste (varna/jati) system was a lot more fluid, in it's current form it's a caste system with British notions a class system layered on top.
@@lujotu1280 It means when british discovered harappan civilization and two different racial colour difference in india obviously one would think of an invasion rather than migration. So they proposed this theory and now we have clear evidence that some nomads have migrated to indian sub-continent. Karma siddhanta made caste system very rigid and eventually led to discrimination. Now because you RSS people are losing dalits to Christianity and Islam you are trying to blame britishers. Offcourse I agree Britishers exploited this inequality in varna system to spread christianity which should be addressed but denying or hiding our own flaws will be disgrace upon us.
If DASAS really means "Babaric /Ruthless enemies" who after defeated, would certainly become "Servants" to the conqueror.. were they former (another) Iranian lesser tribes, who knows.? But the word "babaric" implied "uncivilised" or could be "Forest People" who made a living mainly in the woodland and never knew of bronze, mansion/palace.
In my opinion when the Harappans disintegrated they from three cultures... The Indian the Iranian and the Shakas. Because from the rigved it's clear that Bharata tribes weren't the only tribe to have a sanskrit like language. And also many tribes that that were mention in the adi parba of mahabharat were actually Iranic tribes... Like the Parsu, Parni, Uttara Madra etc. Apart from that I think that the Mahabharata War definitely happened before 900 BCE as The Indians hadn't any story regarding the migration of the Medes from North Western side of Hindukush to modern day Kurdistan area of Iran and Iraq.
With all due respect, you need to read 'An Aryan Journey ' by Harsh Mahaan Cairae. It's such an eye opener. Apparently, the Aryans were actually from the Central Asia. The seven rivers are not really Sapt Sindu but Lake Balkash in Kazakhstan. The writer has proved why he said what he said. And the Aryans were not really the invaders but the refugees who were trying to save themselves from persecution at the hands of Asuras, who were no one else but contemporary people who worshipped fire and other elements, just like Vedic people, BUT in a DIFFERENT WAY and therein lies the schism between Devas and Asuras.
There was a pre-vedic philosophy that existed in india. It is now termed as Samkhya philosophy which is non-theistic in nature. I think that served as a foundation for vedas and upanishads Nomadic steppe indo aryans who migrated to indian subcontinent, cant cook up literature within a matter of few years. Just like turkic nomads did with the persian culture. Indo europeans needed several centuries to assimilate and adopt new culture and learning practices. Just like proto indo-european paganism, they had similar gods like indra, varuna, saraswati, pavana which are the vedic gods they incorported into their adopted philosophy/cultural practice after conquering india This can be appropriated with the assumption of end of indus valley civilization with the steppe aryan migration. & If you are saying aryans brought literature and cultural practices to the place, then existence of indus valley civilization doesn't make any sense. Then the question is why would the civilized indo europeans conquer an advanced civilization like IVC and let it r0t like that ?;! Nomadic aryans infused their gods and religious practices to the pre-existing IVC culture, that leads to the creation of vedas and upanishads, and creation of vedic civilization itself
Thank you for your insights! I also believe this could be the case. But what we still know about IVC, or other "pre historic" cultures in this subcontinent is very limited. So, we need more studies.
There are some crucial documentary evidences that hold the key to determine as to whether or not there was migration from central Asia. 1) The treaty between the Mittanians and the Hittites speaks about the Hindu gods like Indra, Varina, Agni etc. and they figure as the principle witnesses for the treaty. The said treaty was concluded not in Indian soil but in central Asia. This document gives credence to the migration theory. 2) There is an invocation hymn in Rig veda where in, the early Aryans invoked and sought the help of mighty Indira to vanquish the people living in the fortified forts. Obviously this hymn refers to Indus valley people. Indra is also known as Purandhara meaning destroyer of forts. These two unimpeachable evidences clearly demonstrate that there was migration and such migrations ultimately resulted in conflicts.
Aryans were native to India if anything really happened then it was people moving out of India, the work found was actually an later version of Sanskrit which shares vocabulary with the later written manadals of rig Veda. While the older mandalas written have a lot different vocabularies. There is an in-depth research done by Shrikanth talageri ji on this great work you should check out.
@@profrajeshmaurya5078 the horse was brought in by Arayan invasion as well as the ethnic caste system? Or do u have another Indian theory .. Arayan the term meant civilized ones and were the nobility like Buhdda who was u guessed it Arayan and white
Vedas is his history of people living in Sapt Sindhu. It has nothing to do with Central Asia. There is not any archeologil evidence to show that Aryans came from outside. If Veda came fro outside then, where is that great Central Aisan Book, showing their culture, literature, social structure. Mam, there is none like that, so Aryan coming to Bharat is fabricated by Max muller. Who accepted himself that he had to do so, to please his British Masters to show that Indians do not have history of their own .
This research is not required. Only Aryans knows, who are they. 😊😊. You can't find them. But they are there still. Mathas have this information. Which you will never get. So assumptions are assumptions only.. And everything here is us assumptions Only. Because real Aryan informations available in few places only.
Sanatan dhormo or Hinduism is dealing religious matters from so many years ago but missing the chronological information. That's the problem. There are lot of questionable things. But there are not enough answers. Some said that may be many informative books, documents etc were lost/destroyed in Nalanda university library which was burned by foreign invaders in 1204 a.d. That was unfortunate.
Aryans, derived from the original Sanskrit word Arya, means cultivated educated person, according to Sri Aurobindo, used to have very high moral standard with great regard for truth, promise and hospitality. Their sages, or Rishis, after many years of meditations and learning, derived some great ideas or hymns(Riks) on God and universe. Recent DNA evidence shows that Europe experienced a massive population influx from the east, beginning around 4,500 years from the present. Several haplo-groups were involved in this expansion, including the Indian-origin R1a1a. This was almost a total replacement event, which indicates that Indo-Aryans, among others, expanded westward into Europe and to a large extent replaced indigenous European males and their Y-chromosome strata (Sharma and his associates, 2009) This genetic evidence indicates that several Y-chromosomal (patrilineal) lineages, one of which was the Indian-origin R1a1a, gave rise to the modern European population. Out of these lineages, R1a1a is the most widespread and numerous. Recent DNA evidence shows that Europe experienced a massive population influx from the east, beginning around 4,500 years from the present. Several haplo-groups were involved in this expansion, including the Indian-origin R1a1a. This was almost a total replacement event, which indicates that Indo-Aryans, among others, expanded westward into Europe and to a large extent replaced indigenous European males and their Y-chromosome strata (Sharma and his associates, 2009) This genetic evidence indicates that several Y-chromosomal (patrilineal) lineages, one of which was the Indian-origin R1a1a, gave rise to the modern European population. Out of these lineages, R1a1a is the most widespread and numerous. It proves that: 1. The R1a haplogroup originated in India. 2. The Indo-Aryan people have lived in India for at least 15,450 years, which invalidates the theory that the Indo-Aryans invaded India 3,500 years ago. 3. The hundreds of millions of members (possibly over a billion) of the R1a family living across the world today - a very large fraction of humanity - are all descended from one single male ancestor who lived in India at least 15,450 years ago. This discovery demonstrates the close genetic (and hence linguistic and cultural) affinity of Indians with the Russian and Polish people, the Vikings and Normans, and with the ancient Scythians and Tocharians, among many others (Sharma et al, 2009). References: Sharma S., 2009, The Indian origin of paternal haplogroup R1a1* substantiates the autochthonous origin of Brahmins and the caste system. Journal of Human Genetics, 54, 47-55 Sarker, A., A., Deshpande , A., Mukherjee, M. K., Bera,, B., Das, N., Juyal, P., Morthekai, R. D. , Deshpande, V. S., Shinde, V., & Rao, L. S., 2016, Oxygen isotope in archaeological bioapatites from India: Implications to climate change and decline of Bronze Age Harappan civilization, Nature, Scientific Reports volume 6, Article number: 26555.
In fact all the dates given by the AIT and AMT are just fancy full. According to the Hindu texts beginning with the Rigveda the Aryans came with the later Manu Vaivasvata (who was king of the Dravidians before!) by ship to India in the great flood which ended the Tretayuga and the Chakshusha Manvantara. Berossos dates this flood at about 33.500 BC while the backwards calculation of the up and down movement of the constellation Orion in the course of precession (called the three (!!!) steps of Vishnu through the universe by Hindu texts) gives a date of about 36.500 BC.
Repeatedly Attributing to Hindu Civilization... every other minute ... had been the most misperceived notion. Hindu is a Indian Civil Laws to protect all the Indian school of practices/believes/philosophies that attributes to Indian continent.
Please tell me how Sanskrit appeared in India. It is an Indo-European language which is related to all European languages. Did the ancestors of the Europeans come from India?
I have formally studied Sanskrit and did fair bit of research into western theories. Most of what is written about europians brought in Sanskrit is bullshi*. It just like British claiming to have brought in education civility into India.
No. By all reasonable accounts the Indo-Europeans were steppe peoples who spread out in all directions. 4000 years is a long time for things to diverge, but it's still quite possible and reasonable to reconstruct the relationships between the daughter languages.
The Indian valley civilisation developed from the Dravidian culture. The Vedas were delivered by Maheshwara through two languages Tamil and then Sanskrit. We can see all the puranas as being told by Shiva to Parvati. Shiva is matter and Parvati is energy / Shakti. It is not Daas, but Das meaning 10. Sudas only means best among the ten.
If you believe that all so called upper caste Hindus are outsiders and you are a descendant of Indus valley civilization then you should also know that the people of Indus valley civilization came from Iran. They created their civilization here by killing ingenious tribes of India. The indigenous tribes of India are also outsiders if you will go further back in the history. They are called the first Indians. They came here from Australia and Africa and started living here by killing a lot of wildlife and indigenous animals. In some way everyone living in any part of the world is an outsider according to this definition. This is how humankind has evolved and migrated everyone. The only people who can call themselves truly indigenous are the people living in the Horn of Africa because first humans evolved there. The word outsider is defined according to our present borders but obviously there was no such borders in the past.
What a stupid none said that upper caste hindus are outsiders ,they are just closely related to aryans then other indian groups, you are just going round and round just say clearly that you believe out of india theory.
Your concept is not only superficial but also an absurd imagination. Kuru kingdom exist in the 3rd century of B.C. That is after lord Buddha? Are you a mad?
rakhighari excavations clearly says, tamil ethnic irula tribe DNA and indus skeleton DNA both are same...note my point this DNA not match other locations ex.india, pakistan afganistan, bangladesh. north indians also indus origins. but they mixed with aryan steppies.they lost indus culture and follow the vedic culture.
😂 no , it's just they found hunter gathers ancestry of indus that still highest intect in irula tribe All Indian has hunter gathers, Neolithic ancestory
@@greaterbharat4175 indian sub continent people all are indus origins destruction of before indus valley...but after the indus period russia ukraine region steppies slowly migrated to india... these people DNA not match south asian continent and also this dna matched into ukraine region archeological sites...
Physical facial characteristics of the IVC look like me and my brother. We are both half Indian. Something not adding up unless no Aryan invasion. Brother looks Iranian. So some IVC looking Iranian.
If you read the work of Dionysiaca. You will know the real reason, though there are embellishment to the story. The real reason, however was to root out Kamdev from the land of Bharat. It has nothing to do with whether the people of India dont want to worship Indra/Zues/Mizraim or not.
Where ,? persian Avesta mentioned aryanam veijah as were hetumand is central ( Helmand) and they did not described hapt hendu ( sapt sindhu) are foreign land 😂 but one of region of Aryans
Analysis of molecular variance(AMOVA) test results shows that Brahmins had genetic affinities with several foreign populations of Central Asia and Europe. Y-haplogroup R1a1 known as the aryan gene in india is came from male european male descendants to their male offspring is highly present in Brahmin. Based on archaeological evidence and genetic evidence a mighty group called Yamnaya(3300-2600 BC)(Y-haplogroup R1b) invade europe. The Aryan Brahmins(Y-haplogroup R1a1) who could not withstand this brutal attack gradually migrated from Europe to Asia as refugees and settled in the Gangetic plains of India. To validate this phenomenon, Yama is referred to as the god of hell in Sanskrit vedic scriptures. The Aryan Brahmins who settled in "Ancient Near East" as refugees built temples which were dedicated to various deities. As documented by the Greek historian Herodotus (c. 484 - c. 425 BC), sacred prostitution was a common practice in these temples. Sumerian records dating back to 2400 BC refer to such temples as heaven and prostitution as a divine profession. Other evidence describes a temple brothel run by Sumerian priests in the city of Uruk. After 306 AD, this divine prostitution perpetuated by Brahmins and their followers was brought to an end by Emperor Constantine. After the end of the Indus Valley Civilization (c. 2500 - c. 1700 BC), the Brahmins who entered the plains of India initially provided prostitution services to kings and the wealthy, however they identified themselves as religious priests to protect themselves as society considered prostitution a low-class activity. It was this effort of theirs that led to the entry of Brahmanism into Hinduism.
The empirical evidences of Archaeology, Linguistics, Myths and gods, food all points to a simple explanation. The Indus Valley Civilization flourished before the Vedic religion. After the demise of the IVC, the aryans arrived from the steppes of Europe. There was aryan immigration but no invasion as there werent much left for conflict. The amalgamation of the culture, myths and gods of the remnants of the IVC who mostly migrated down south, mostly probably via the Western coast rather than the land route which were densly forrested, resulted in the Hindu or Sanatana Dharma. The IVC people might have been monotheistic religion centered around a proto Siva shown as 'Pasupati', Lord of Cattle. The aryan nature gods of Indra, Varuna, Soma, Rudra etc. mixed and later gave rise to deities like Shiva (amalgamated with Rudra), Vishnu (amalgamation of many Nature gods of the aryans) later on a host of other minor and major gods. The vedic gods of Indra, Varuna etc. were relegated to minor gods status. The mixing of the aryans with the indigenous remanants of the IVC, tribals already living in the forests gave rise to the varna (caste) system, probably imposed by the aryans as they came down as far as the gangetic plains.
Why is it that everything outstanding always comes from somewhere else, and typically from Europe? The Aryan migration theory is a western invention. The argument is biassed and sounds like self-denial that Europeans were significantly more primitive than people of the Indian subcontinent.
Sure europeans were primitive lol Dna Doesn't lie What else doesn't lie is that every creature's comfort that surrounds you is a European Invention . Thank your lucky stars you have European d. N. A. Or you would look Like a sentinel islander .
ramayan period is 1 crore years back jains also mention ram who later became jain monk after coning back to ayodhya then krishna period which is 5000 to 6000 years old vedas are older than ramayan also these dates are putup by western historians they doesnt want to believe that humans in east were civilized before westerners and yahudis.
The most profound plausibilty of the out of India migration is that of the recent Roma migrations into Europe. It proves it beyond doubt . The Roma migration is evidence enough that mass migrations did in fact take place directly from India to Europe during different time periods.
You are talking more from the ithihasa orientation. Vedas are much older. They have a universal background shared by very remote cultures and time periods. Respect it and understand.
Nothing new. This happens for all research/presentations when one is not UpToDate with the new findings and relies on older and obsolete material. 1. Rig Veda was not composed in a single sitting. There were periodical additions. There are 10 mandalas (sections). Each verse is attributed a rishi who composed the verse. All rishis mentioned in Rig Veda did not live concurrently. 2. There were no or scant additions to it in the post Mahabharata war period. As per modern astronomy the Mahabharata war happened c. 4,600 BCE. This date puts all the 'theories' like AIT and AMT or Kurgan Hypothesis into dustbin. It also puts to rest many theories put forward by the so called RW Historians to counter AIT/AMT. Only theory that subsists is OIT. 3. Modern astronomy also dates the Valmiki Ramayana to 12000 BCE. 4. Recent publications (last decade or so) by Birbal Sahni Institute of Palaeosciences, Lucknow [Dr. Niraj Rai] suggest that statistically, there is no difference between DNA of north and south Indians. There are definite indications that Bharata Varsha landmass was inhabited by intelligent humans for the last ~60,000 to 80,000 years.
Very interesting video, well delivered. Of course, the debate based on Rig Veda - Linguistics and even archeology is being superseded by archeogenetics. And genetics is conclusively proving Indo European Migration Theory. With regards to river Saraswati, its probably either river Helmland/ Haraxvati in Afghanistan. Rajesh Kocchar's book 'Vedic Indians' gives a discussion about it: "To sum up, the available literary and scientific data suggest the following hypotheses: i. The stage when the Satluj and Yamuna flowed into the Ghaggar was long over before the Harappan times. ii. During the early and mature Harappan periods, the Ghaggar- Hakra channel was perhaps perennial or nearly so, to be able to sustain population groups on its lower course. iii. In about 1700 BC, the water supply diminished further, desiccating the lower part of the Ghaggar channel and forcing the later- period Harappans to migrate upstream to the Shivalik region. iv. In about 1400 BC there arrived, from the northwest, the Ṛgvedic people who gave to the upper course of the Ghaggar the name (Vinaśana) Sarasvatī after the nadītamā Sarasvatī (Hel- mand) they had left behind in Afghanistan. "
@@sachinpotdar7798 Whether by god or ghost , humans are not divided by caste or colour , All are created with equal respectability . There is nothing as noblity or lower birth ! That is what thiru valluvar says " pirappokkum ella uyirkkum " meaning all are born equal .! AASI is the genetic ancestry common to both north and south indians , but not others !
Basically ANI North Indians are Indo European AKA Aryan , and Indus Valley civilization And ASI South Indians are Indus Valley civilization and native south population That is the simplistic version , 98% of Indians have both genes , some have a half more dominant then the other Im sure there are some pockets of people who are still unmixed Aryan and Native SI
8:19 The term PANI or PHANI used in Rig Veda, refers to a group of people engaged in business. They could probably Tamil people. The word PANI in Tamil means to PRODUCE. That is to produce goods through trade. They were expert traders and sea farers and were very rich. In Tamil Language they were called PANIARS. These same PANIARS migrated to west Asia where the later became called PHONESIANS, a name given to them by Greeks. In Tamil money is called PANAM.
Somebody mentioned about Ramayan & Mahabharath. All books including Vedaas written Sanskrit language in Deava Nagari script. The SCRIPT itself IS A EVIDENCE THAT all BOOKS Including Vedaas, Itihaasaas, Puraanaas WRITTEN BETWEEN 8th & 12th (Between 800CE - 1200CE) CENTURIES BY THE ARYANS IN SANSKRIT LANGUAGE. ........So What is the of Authentucity Ramayan & Mahabhararh? I am a Asst. Professor. I DID NOT FIND the KING SRI RAMA anywhere IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY IN INDIA or IN THE WORLD. if anyone finds show me the evidences. The ancient name of AYODHYA IS SAKETH. Saketh was A LAREST BUDDHIST CENTRE IN THE WORLD at that time. Aryan kings destroyed Saketh buddhist centre and Later RECONSTRUCTED AS AYODHYA TO PROVE RAMAYAN STORY IS REAL . But THE FACT IS ALWAYS FACT. If you go to Ayodhya still you will find BUDDHIST REMAINS EVERYWHERE. SRIRAMA TEMPLE IS BEING CONSTRUCTED BY REMOVING BUDDHIST REMAINS. Archeological evidences are also there. THIS IS purely ARYANs MAGIC.
No Saket is called to biggest subcontinent in their jatak katha him self talk about ayodya . And ramyana oldest evidence is nasuk katha inscription 200 BCE and Mahabharata is completed in the Gupta period.
All concept are imaginary. Following questions can't be taken into consideration during discussion 1. regarding language .. if veda from central asia it should be written right to left as turkish languages if not central asia historian should conform other than india have no proper linguistic in cental asia. 2. Veda may have some perisian/ trukish/ central asian words. Those words may be take from existing indian culture to perisia like thailand, combodia etc.. 3. No statue or evidence has found in central asia belongs to Veda or hinduism 4. Sanskrit are similar to or copy of south indian alphabet not like central asia language. 5. basic culture of indians are identical 6. why historians not consider, other than the words similar to central asia in sanskrit are belongs to or taken from aboriginal of Indian. 7.why historians didn't consider, as .migrant from the central asia follow and adopt indian culture .. 8. History makers always consider northern portion of india only 9. History tellers not consider... sanskrit is not spoken language it is created language for temple procedure
@@angelboy2901 may be. but i search answers to my questions for a long time with plain heart without radical and religion differences in my mind i couldn't find answers. if any body knows the answers humbly request to post it. before posting pls . read history of saint agasdia. Then pallavas who created script for nations out side of india in later perid. And also agamas of india. Thanks
@@yashagrawal88 yes. Tamil poetess Awaiyar quotes கற்றது கையளவு கல்லாதது உலகளவு [What you have learned is a mere handful; What you haven't learned is the size of the world]
Brahmeans are the Magi of Persia who fled to India during rashidun caliphate's religious persecution in the 7th century in Persia. Iran aryan airian aitreya are same word.
The IVC had ended relocated east and south in 1900bc . The male biased Steppe invaders of 1500 bc had completely merged with the native AASI to create the ANI population of north india, a freely mixing 'caste no bar' population.
Somebody commented that --- if Aryans were migrated between 1800BC - 500BC how did they know about Saraswathi river? now come to facts. .......... 1) MIGRATIONS of People is a CONTINUOS PROCESS throughout the World - in Past, in present and in future also it continues. 2) Indus valley/ Sindhu river valley civilisation has more than 10,000 years of history as per the latest available sources. And there are evidences that Agriculture at river valleys in the world started around 50,000 years ago. This is the main reason that our fertile Sindhu& Ganga river valleys attracted many people in the world. So ARYAN MIGRATIONS to India from Middle Asia already started from 10,000 years ago due to the development of many towns in Harappan/ Indus valley civilisation. This is the reason Aryans have the knowledge of Sarswathi River. 2) Second one- The People from various civilisations Greek, Mesopatonia etc have trade relations with Indus valley people. This is also a main reason that Aryan tribes of Middle Asia have the knowledge of Saraswathi River. 3) Here the most important fact is -- the HEAVY POPULATIONS OF ARYAN TRIBES from West Europe, Middle Asia (Iran, Afghanistan etc areas, South Russia MIGRATED TO INDIA between 1800 BC - 500 BC. As a result Indus valley had been destroyed. And these Aryan tribes settled in Sindhu & Ganga river valley areas and named North India as ARYAVARTHANAM. It means living place of Aryans
One correction, people from Western Europe aren't really considered "Aryan" (unless the context is of Nazi Germany), and the Yamnaya people originated significantly more east from there too.
Analysis of molecular variance(AMOVA) test results shows that Brahmins had genetic affinities with several foreign populations of Central Asia and Europe. Y-haplogroup R1a1 known as the aryan gene in india is came from male european male descendants to their male offspring is highly present in Brahmin. Based on archaeological evidence and genetic evidence a mighty group called Yamnaya(3300-2600 BC)(Y-haplogroup R1b) invade europe. The Aryan Brahmins(Y-haplogroup R1a1) who could not withstand this brutal attack gradually migrated from Europe to Asia as refugees and settled in the Gangetic plains of India. To validate this phenomenon, Yama is referred to as the god of hell in Sanskrit vedic scriptures. The Aryan Brahmins who settled in "Ancient Near East" as refugees built temples which were dedicated to various deities. As documented by the Greek historian Herodotus (c. 484 - c. 425 BC), sacred prostitution was a common practice in these temples. Sumerian records dating back to 2400 BC refer to such temples as heaven and prostitution as a divine profession. Other evidence describes a temple brothel run by Sumerian priests in the city of Uruk. After 306 AD, this divine prostitution perpetuated by Brahmins and their followers was brought to an end by Emperor Constantine. After the end of the Indus Valley Civilization (c. 2500 - c. 1700 BC), the Brahmins who entered the plains of India initially provided prostitution services to kings and the wealthy, however they identified themselves as religious priests to protect themselves as society considered prostitution a low-class activity. It was this effort of theirs that led to the entry of Brahmanism into Hinduism.
Absolutely there's no dispute about scriptures like Vedas, Upanishads, Puranas etc but it's malafiedly incorrect to say they were oldest than other scriptures becz these were written in Sanskrit in Devanagari script which developed only after 7th century CE and not BCE... even entire Ramayan and Mahabharat are just fiction stories written in sanskrit devanagari script probably after 7 - 10th century CE... There's neither historical evidence nor archaeological evidence to prove that old scriptures were written before BCE, also there's no evidence that Ramayan and Mahabharat happened in real time.... there's also no evidence that they were happened some lakhs of years ago Thretha yug, Dwapar yug etc, they are far from reality, beyond scientific proof....there was no Vaidic period either as claimed to exist before 15th century BCE or Sanathan period as claimed to have existed thousands /lakhs of years ago......oldest religious community were Jains prior to Buddhism who never believed in God, creation, scriptures etc and Mahavira was 24th Thirthankara the contemporary of Gautama the Budhha... nothing was mentioned in Ashoka's rock eddicts either about scriptures...It's just political propaganda by communal elements in our country 🇮🇳 who are the deliberate distortortors of history and fake propagandists to gain political power...... 😎
The Arya is just a saying elderly person. No movement of people involved. Chanakya was very respected person Buddha did not belong to kshatriya. They did not have any classic rules. During Buddha time there was classification. They did not know Bhagavad Gita, Ramayan Mahabharat, Sanskrit.
Meluhha was the name used by the Sumerians for the people of the Indus Valley civilization. The Meluhha is the origin of the Sanskrit Mleccha, meaning "barbarian, foreigner". Vedic Aryans encountered the Meluhha living in the Indus Valley and used their their name as a derogatory term for all non-Vedic people. People/tribes adopt the culture/history of their neighbors and then later claim it as theirs. People living in central and western Africa claim the Egyptian civilization when they had no connection to it. Same as the Western/Northern Europeans claiming Hellenic/Minoan civilization when they had no connection to it. It may be possible that the Vedic Aryans appropriated culture/history of local people as they assimilated them in the caste system.
Why refer left wing (western political ideology) historians as academic historians, and the indigenous academic historians presenting their theory based on archeological proofs as right wing (another western political ideology) historians?
This is possibly more important history than the mughal invsaion chapters in school
This IS more important history, brother.
this made a core component of what indians are culturally and racially today
The answer is in Rig Veda itself, where if we the astronomical evidence of when rig veda was first created, it comes out to be around 200000 years ago. It was transferred orally between guru shishya in chand form, it was first penned down very very later around 5000 bc that's why this confusion is there.
All vedas combine has amazingly scientific knowledge, that they can't be wrong about the timeline.
If Mahabharata was composed in 3 century BCE then How çan Panini can mention Vasudeva and Arjuna in astadhayay who lived before 6 century bce 😅
Yes, the names of previous people can be told by later ones !
The period of Panini is only assumption !
Also Shiva as "shulin"
People need to read about a misdionary called Alexander Duff. He popularised the Aryan Invasion Theory to spread Christianity in Southern India. He wanted to tell them that their religion(Hinduism) eas imposed pn them by Foriegn conquerors.
Today the Dravid movement considers Rama and Krishna as flagbearers of the Aryan Invaders.
But Ram and Krishna were dark-skinned.
Funny thing is that 🤣 actuall mythology is "Aryan invasion theory " ...without much evidence we believe on it
Entire india shows proof of every character in ramayana and mahabharath and we call them as mythology 😁😁
Mythology seems like myth but go anf check correct meaning of mythology , the word has myth but real meaning is different so hinduism including all religions are mythology
aryan "invasion" is a myth but that doesn't mean that aryan "migration" is a myth too. THere are archeological and literary evidences that suggest that there was a gap of about 300-400 years between the decline of Harappan civilization and the immigrations of the vedic tribes in north west india
@@ArghyadipGhoshArcheological & Literal Evidences? Please cite them sir. It’s a hoax hypothesis running a political narrative to suit different agendas
@@ArghyadipGhosh😮lol shut up bro we have proofs of various indian epics
@@ArghyadipGhosh Agreed. Calling it an "invasion" is quite the assumption, and quite the unappetizing one at that.
Our ancestors called it Aryavart but Aryan migrated from central asia bla bla bla. Okay🤣
Leftist historians☕
Ok dumbo
Funny thing is that 🤣 actuall mythology is "Aryan invasion theory " ...without much evidence we believe on it
Entire india shows proof of every character in ramayana and mahabharath and we call them as mythology 😁😁
Aryans were not central asians they were from steppes of ukraine ,it is saying like british were fish because they entered india from sea.
U t illitrate
@@sahilsingh6048 but David Reich said yamnaya themselves were 2ndry people of proto indo European , it was his Theory of steppe origin of PTE but now he has new Theory of Anatolian and greater Iran origin of proto indo European ( including part of indus and Afghanistan)
I would highly recommend everyone to read the two masterpieces by Shrikant Talageri - "The Rig Veda: A Historical Analysis" and "The Rig Veda and Avesta: The Final Evidence". He has conclusively collected all the evidence and systematically shown that the most ancient ancestral land of the Vedic people was in the east - specifically the land between the Sarasvati and Ganga rivers i.e. today's Haryana and western U.P. For example, Rigveda 3.23.4 says that the best place on earth is the land between the rivers Sarasvati and Drshadvati (i.e. roughly Kurukshetra) which is the land of the ancient ancestors. The books or mandalas of Rigveda are not ordered according to their age. The oldest book is the 6th. It has no knowledge of any rivers west of Sarasvati, but it knows Ganga. Whereas the newer books show knowledge of more western rivers. All of this data is solid proof against so-called "Aryan invasion". In fact, the Vedic people expanded westwards from the east into the Saptasindhu region which shows up only in the last 10th book.
Also, the date of 1500 BCE is a tired old fallacy from when Max Muller spat out a random date, and when asked about his evidence he backed away and said he has no evidence. In fact, anyone who reads the Vedas cannot miss the highly sophisticated language and poetry and also the frequent references to ancestors who were the first pathfinders. This itself is evidence that the development of such sophistication cannot happen in merely the short time scales given by so-called academic historians. The massive volume of Vedic texts and the change in linguistic style from the earliest layer to the latest layer cannot be placed to a short time period of 1500-500 BCE because by 500 BCE we already have Buddha and Panini's Sanskrit grammar. Language changes much more slowly and especially in a highly conservative tradition such as Vedic. So, we must give the Vedas a much longer time period - starting at least around 4500 BCE and ending around 1000 BCE.
Thank you for this comment! I strongly agree with the point about the suggested time scales being ridiculously short, I don't know how historians can explain such a vast change in language and the passing of such large chronologies of kings in merely a 1000 years..
@@greatbalance I am planning to do my next video on the same. Thank you so much for your input!
@@particularlyindian great!
Veda clearly mentioned Swaraswati river when it was in her full flow. It seems first Rigveda time is more than 15thousand years ago minimum.
yo gotta be kidding me dude. Give the archaeological evidence, evidence of people's dna and also carbon dating of the site and people. pls
@@rachitborkar8393 why are you disable your brain to research
Saraswathy river is originally Harakswathy river near haiti river of northern side of iran only, no connection with indian culture.
No it was during dinosaurs era. Trex spoke sanskrit.
@@mogambo4565 exactly 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Aryan migration in 1500 BC ?
Other fellows ( eminent historians ) think it was in 1200 BC .
Just think about the massive work done by these Aryan invaders . From 1500 BC to 600 BC ( Gautam Buddha period ) , in 900 years , they captured all the land from Afghanistan in the west to Assam in the East , from Balakh ( North of Kashmiri to Krishna River in South . They composed Vedic hymns ( 1000+ in RIGVEDA alone ) that is v4 SAMHITAs . Then they wrote BRAHMANAs , AARANYAKAs and 100 + Upanishads . They develop the most sophisticated grammar on earth . They invent a phoneme based script which cannot be understood unless you know acoustic phonetics ( a specially developed in 1960's onwards ). They developed and perfected 6 VEDNGAs . Before PANINI they had already written 10's of Praishakhyas and Vyakaranas . Number of books on VEDANGAs must be 100+ . The also wrote books like SHULVA SUTRAs . Books on Medical and Veterinary sciences . 6 schools of philosophy also came into existence . Huge education centres came up in TAKSHASHILA , KASHI etc
Number of scholars was mind-boggling . Vasudeva Sharan Agrawal had counted 50 scholars who precede PANINI ( 4th century BC ) and contributed to Sanskrit grammar . At least THOUSAND PKUS BOOKS must have been written BEFORE Buddha .
All these in just 900 years ! BEFORE Printing press ! .
It is just impossible that this much was in just 900 years . But Aryan migration theoriests don't care about bfacts .
Yes it was actually Out of India migration that's why sanskrit scripts are found in agreement of mittani and hittie ancient empires. One more proof is stories about samrat and rajrishi bharat invading foriegn clans with kuru and puru tribes. Both Arya and Dravid ancient literature that's why it india is called Bharatvarsh in Vaidik scriptures and Bharatkhandam in Tamil scriptures. Rig Ved has a story mentioned about these tribes and there were more tribes too. I don't remember their name but it is said that kuru and puru moved to west and north while other tribes moved to south through navies. (existence of pali language is that's why associate with Tamil). And The stories of ancient Kuru Kingdom is mentioned in mahabharata, Tamil and Buddhist scriptures too. RajaRaja Chola was mentioned as Arya in both Tamil and Northern medival literature proving that Aryan is not race it means noble men.
And ultimate knowledge of Vedant and sangam literature I am very proud of my ancestors hail Bharatvarsh.
Exactly. You are right on…And just to add to that, the migration of the so-called Aryans itself would have taken several hundreds of years, and that too through the Khyber Pass (limiting the number of people that can enter each day). And the Ramayana and Mahabharata were also during those 900 years. Consider the building of all those societies, social structures, palaces, kingdoms, etc. Also if these were nomads, how were they able to eventually build cities? And also build ships? And how did pastoral nomads suddenly become scholarly literary poet-priests (those are two completely different types of people)? The Aryan migration fable is utter nonsense.
After many many thousands of years we still differentiate Indians as Aaryan, Dravidian, castes, religion. Some one landed here first and then many more followed until yester years. Can we 100% wowch purity and originality after hordes of invasion and mix happened. Can we segregate pick Ganges water in the midst of any Ocean/River. Let us jointly take our country forward without heeding to any of these things. Now, like we cannot segregate ganga, Krishna, kaveri from Indian Ocean. Mike Indian Ocean it is Srif India.
Wow...❤ what a fantastic thought....
I dont and I am half India. I even have some European blood the people self hating Indians worship. Be a fighter not a licker.
Right bro. Present is important
It was Arya Brahmins who made strong class divisions by establishing Varna system. When they confronted the people of South, Varna system changed into caste system and named People outside Aryavarta as Chandalas.
Lies, no birth or skin based discrimination in RigVed. Read RigVed not European researches @@sankarie3687
Dr Ambedkar discarded Aryan theory as Vedas has no foreign memory at all
@fieldspring5329 lol you fail to include the verses where his skin nose and jaw are also described as golden because that doesn't fit your narrative. He's also described as brown in other verses.
They killed horses to worship their gods, who were eerily similar to Iranic and other Indo-European gods. Sounds pretty foreign to me.
@@foodovisionit's called ashwmegh yagna but foreigners don't worship nature's and cow in Vedas cow is considered sacred
Aryan invasion is a false theory but Aryan migration is true with evidence
@@foodovisionlol you know nothing of Indian culture
Acc. to the AMT the aryans came to India, started speaking Sanskrit, started compiling texts and began to rule everywhere, but they didn't mention anything about their homeland from where they have arrived, they called Saraswati river the biggest river, which in fact was completely dried up 6000 years ago, and the theory suggests of Aryans coming to India somewhere around 3500 years ago, so why did they mentioned things which they didn't even witness and didn't mention things which were very crucial for them? obviously because they wanted the future humans to debate over this and for us to use these facts to say that look Vedic culture originated from India only, they were soooo smart. /s
😆😆😂😂 Right! If you are going to make up this "Aryan migration" story, at least make sure that the details don't contradict each other!
@@hkumar7340 aryan invasion has already been debunked but migration is the most supported while there is not a single proof that aryans were natives from india , it is so stupid that people still believe this theory that aryans were original indians such a stupidity.
@@sahilsingh6048 source?
@@sahilsingh6048 bro are you on the 'we wuzz indo-scythian juttttt syndrome drugs' ?
@@Samratfromnorth he is stupid,, we are all austroloid, look how Hritik Roshan looks same as Johnny lever, we are all same, Aryans were indians saar...
Strangely Central Asia doesn't come up with concrete evidence of a former Vedic civilization. Surely it would be present in a more tangible religious , cultural, linguistic , customary and Architectural expression if this region was the motherland of the vedic civilization. Moreover this region lacks contemporary expressions of a Vedic civilization whereas Indias vedic past is strikingly mirrored in its present. So where's is the historical continuum of the Vedic civilization in Central Asia or Europe? Whereas India's present has evolved strongly with widespread expressions of its Vedic past.
The thing is the aryans became civilized after coming into contact with and mixing with the indigenous indus valley people.
The aryans were steppe nomads like the mongols that lived in felt tents and moved from place to place before finally settling in the IVC.
So no, there is no such thing as “vedic civilization” in central asia. I guess the closest thing would be the bmac culture, but they werent vedic aryans to begin with.
Vedic people were not anything special. They were nowhere near india when city states were built in harappa. They get so much importance due to them being an outside migration and they were exotic from local population. Common parallel is white worshiping present in modern indians or to larger extent in Asia overall. A poor white man will get best looking white girl or a white girl getting a high earning man just because it gives evolutionary advantage to the girl to get those white genes for her off spring as it will put them higher in hierarchy. The reason why indians or asians want white skin is not cuz britishers were educated or technological advanced its just about looking good😅 white people know how advantageous their skin is and how much they can mentally influence people. Same thing happened in india 4000 years ago these fair skinned tribes came into india and everyone started worshipping them just like whites are worshipped now and they started emulating their culture. Obviously they thought local people were inferior as they mentioned in their vedas but they themselves were just cow herders and probably traded agriculture crops which were new to subcontinent. Humans are very easy to manipulate with sex and beauty.
@@anika_h After centuries of conquest Afg
@@anika_h A case in point is Afghanistan. After centuries of conquest, socio-cultural transformation and recent wars the country nevertheless still yields tangible remnants and artifacts from a Bhudist past. Surely if Europe was the motherland of the Indic civilization it should yield tangible archeological evidence that demonstrates a civilizational continuum . Change is our challenge. Let us not use it as a tool with dismissive intent. Recent South Indian "finds" challenge the synchronicity of the time-line of the euro-centricity of skewed narratives.
Bro, you nailed it
In Rig veda It is Mentioned That Dasyus are Savages Who Act against a Person Without Even Knowing the person
I don't know Nationalists and RW indians would take my comment seriously BUT people have always migrated here and there not only in africa but around outside.
Indians have a big component of Indus valley gene in them which has middle eastern origin plus African. But you won't say indians are Africans or Middle Easteners 😂😂😂.
People from the Russian Steppe do invaded most of the Eurasia during 6000 BCE to 1000 BCE. Genocided Europe, started Hittite empire and even invaded egypt.
These steppe people with their more advanced chariot technology and war like culture do MIGRATED in india.
But the thing is, they didn't kill genocided already present indians and rather travelled deep in the Subcontinent, mixing and forming the caste system of india
Very good and informative video.
You have an amazing channel!
Cool Explanation!
Finally a lady with historical perspectives . . . I like you❤
Is there any proof that Mahabharatam book was compiled during third century BC?
The name gandhara was givebn by kanishka to the place ,.
That is a proof for M B to be made during or after third century B C . !
@@tsMuthuraman-hm6wg Are you saying Mahabharata happened after Alexander invaded India?
@@madan469 Mahabharatha did not actually happen.
I am saying that it was composed after alexander !
@@madan469Mahabharat ramayan types of things is mythology bruh..u can even imagine if Islam came from Hinduism then why they ppls didnt say Sanatan word
Imaginary stories compiled skilfully. Refer to Nehru book and other true historians.
She is reading from Wikipedia... if she making video on rig veda she has to take text from rig veda not from Wikipedia. If she taking about the important book she has to be historian .....
Actually she knows nothing about rig veda 😅
Let's talk..to travel large distance one has to travel on Horses. Let's take starting point from Central Asir or Europe , if one need to migrate to India from them one would use horse(at that time there were no cars or trains)
Now to travel such large distance horse "BRIDLE" as well "noseband "is used.
The thing is it wasn't developed until 1000 BC.
Now horses are there in India atleast 1600BC.
Horses are not from India yet somehow came to India in 1600 BC yet we know that to travel such large distance via horse one need bridle as well noseband. It's to maintain balance .Which were developed 1000bc...almost .600 yrs apart.
Things doesn't add up.
There were vedic horses in India 34 Ribs. I feel like I need to bveat sense into Indians.
People traveled from Russian/Ukrainian Steppe to india from 2500 BCE till 1000 BCE.
They took approx 1500 years to travel just 5000 kms 😂😂😂.
At that time, these pastoralist had developed chariots which in general provide tge rider, a comfortable position to stand and drive horses
I just want to say even today we have 2 movements ( tukde tukde ) gang and pro bharat pro India people. ( dasas vs. aryas )
Could it be that translating dasas as slaves is wrong? I submit that it is. In our lineage, a dasa is someone fully devoted to someone else. Uddhav and Gopalas are dasas of Shri Krishna.
@@AnilKSingh-mp7hh we are dasas to god🙏
Pro bharat means dividing ppl in the name of caste religion? Or killing our mothers and sisters in dowry harassment, domestic voilence or naked parades?
Tukde tukde is you as ur brain is made in to pieces of caste hypocrisy, religious chavenism, hate towards fellow human and disgust towards nari samman.
@@AnilKSingh-mp7hhyes dasa doesn't mean slave for more understanding read the book Sanskrit Non-translatables
@@AnilKSingh-mp7hhIt was again a derogatory term given by bri'ish people mainly Britanicca. What you expect 😊
What is said below may well surprise the scholars who give opposing views - first, that the Aryans (and their belief systems) were rooted in Bharat and the other saying that it was rooted in other parts of world.
Based on a very ancient text called Yoga-vasishtha, the term 'Arya' relates to the commitment of a person who develops spiritual aspiration to have communion with the almighty Brahm, the ultimate reality. Such a person is termed a yogi - who is referred in the text as an Arya ho has studied scriptures, thereafter also made efforts to connect with spiritually elevated, self realised ones (Satsanga) and has finally decided to follow their path. This is the beginning of a long, even life-after-life trek that finally leads one to realisation of Brahm, and audience with God in so called
Turyateeta state of consciousness of the aspirant yogi. It is like climbing up a seven stepped spiritual ladder leading to God. The term Arya applies to one who has climbed up to the third step; and when yogi climbs to seventh step the yogi has realised God.
This has been explicitly stated in an exhaustive
discourse given by the revered sage Vasishtha to none less than Shri Rama.It took place towards the end of Treta-yuga and has 'spiritual' connotations. The term Arya has nothing to do with ethnicity, race, colour of the skin, etc. if anyone wants exact textual reference, it will be provided.
Arya also means noble like in Four Noble Truths of Buddhism.
But of course here the word Aryan is used for the group of people.
In my view aryans also indians after indus civilization some of indians west, remaining people come down to south, west traveld people come to there home land after 1000years , we will called that people aryans but truth was they also indians
Skt. Dasa - re: Mansi "tas", stranger vs. Finnish "orja", slave.
Namaste,
The goal of Vedas is to understand Brahman. It does not describe any person, place, time, things like river. There is no history in it. Otherwise, it can not be an eternal, applicable to all, etc. One needs to first learn Sanskrit and then use Nirukta and grammar to understand true meaning of Vedas. Rig Veda has general science, Yajur Veda has social science, Saam Veda has Worship science and Atharva Veda contains practical science as medicine, etc.
Today the civilised and cultured Hindus do not know who they are. Since the British invasion and many temple's and cultured places of heritage have been destroyed. The burning down of Nalanda University and the constant Muslim invaders over 1000 years have left the people of Bharat Varsa not knowing who they are. - Kali Yuga..
Krita Yuga, Treta Yuga, Dvapara Yuga, and Kali Yuga.
So, Vedas and Vedic period is many many millions of years ago.
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Why do ppl, do videos like this without citing their sources?
As academic historian how does one forecaste caste system into the future given the knowledge accumulated on ancient history. Does one advocate intermingling of races, tribes, castes, religions etc?
No, this is really just speculation. In fact the original caste (varna/jati) system was a lot more fluid, in it's current form it's a caste system with British notions a class system layered on top.
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@@foodovisionwhen one cannot hide his/her own flaws one blame it on others.
Mission accomplished
@@charansai2476 What exactly is that supposed to mean?
@@lujotu1280 It means when british discovered harappan civilization and two different racial colour difference in india obviously one would think of an invasion rather than migration. So they proposed this theory and now we have clear evidence that some nomads have migrated to indian sub-continent.
Karma siddhanta made caste system very rigid and eventually led to discrimination. Now because you RSS people are losing dalits to Christianity and Islam you are trying to blame britishers. Offcourse I agree Britishers exploited this inequality in varna system to spread christianity which should be addressed but denying or hiding our own flaws will be disgrace upon us.
Romilla Thapar is a prejudiced mind. There are more of her tribe. Anyway this is a complex subject and cannot be narrated in simplistic matter.
If DASAS really means "Babaric /Ruthless enemies" who after defeated, would certainly become "Servants" to the conqueror.. were they former (another) Iranian lesser tribes, who knows.? But the word "babaric" implied "uncivilised" or could be "Forest People" who made a living mainly in the woodland and never knew of bronze, mansion/palace.
In my opinion when the Harappans disintegrated they from three cultures... The Indian the Iranian and the Shakas.
Because from the rigved it's clear that Bharata tribes weren't the only tribe to have a sanskrit like language. And also many tribes that that were mention in the adi parba of mahabharat were actually Iranic tribes... Like the Parsu, Parni, Uttara Madra etc. Apart from that I think that the Mahabharata War definitely happened before 900 BCE as The Indians hadn't any story regarding the migration of the Medes from North Western side of Hindukush to modern day Kurdistan area of Iran and Iraq.
One way of settling the issue is to record past life transcripts of people who regress to ancient times.
Very good idea 🎉
With all due respect, you need to read 'An Aryan Journey ' by Harsh Mahaan Cairae. It's such an eye opener. Apparently, the Aryans were actually from the Central Asia. The seven rivers are not really Sapt Sindu but Lake Balkash in Kazakhstan. The writer has proved why he said what he said. And the Aryans were not really the invaders but the refugees who were trying to save themselves from persecution at the hands of Asuras, who were no one else but contemporary people who worshipped fire and other elements, just like Vedic people, BUT in a DIFFERENT WAY and therein lies the schism between Devas and Asuras.
There was a pre-vedic philosophy that existed in india. It is now termed as Samkhya philosophy which is non-theistic in nature.
I think that served as a foundation for vedas and upanishads
Nomadic steppe indo aryans who migrated to indian subcontinent, cant cook up literature within a matter of few years. Just like turkic nomads did with the persian culture. Indo europeans needed several centuries to assimilate and adopt new culture and learning practices.
Just like proto indo-european paganism, they had similar gods like indra, varuna, saraswati, pavana which are the vedic gods they incorported into their adopted philosophy/cultural practice after conquering india
This can be appropriated with the assumption of end of indus valley civilization with the steppe aryan migration.
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If you are saying aryans brought literature and cultural practices to the place, then existence of indus valley civilization doesn't make any sense.
Then the question is why would the civilized indo europeans conquer an advanced civilization like IVC and let it r0t like that ?;!
Nomadic aryans infused their gods and religious practices to the pre-existing IVC culture, that leads to the creation of vedas and upanishads, and creation of vedic civilization itself
Thank you for your insights! I also believe this could be the case. But what we still know about IVC, or other "pre historic" cultures in this subcontinent is very limited. So, we need more studies.
There are some crucial documentary evidences that hold the key to determine as to whether or not there was migration from central Asia. 1) The treaty between the Mittanians and the Hittites speaks about the Hindu gods like Indra, Varina, Agni etc. and they figure as the principle witnesses for the treaty. The said treaty was concluded not in Indian soil but in central Asia. This document gives credence to the migration theory. 2) There is an invocation hymn in Rig veda where in, the early Aryans invoked and sought the help of mighty Indira to vanquish the people living in the fortified forts. Obviously this hymn refers to Indus valley people. Indra is also known as Purandhara meaning destroyer of forts. These two unimpeachable evidences clearly demonstrate that there was migration and such migrations ultimately resulted in conflicts.
Mattani used later Vedic Sanskrit, Vedic people and Sanskrit was already available in India
@@profrajeshmaurya5078 Could you please shed more light on your observations.
@@ckneelakantaraj7829 most linguist find Mattani language to New Vedas including Shrikant Talagiri and others.
Aryans were native to India if anything really happened then it was people moving out of India, the work found was actually an later version of Sanskrit which shares vocabulary with the later written manadals of rig Veda. While the older mandalas written have a lot different vocabularies. There is an in-depth research done by Shrikanth talageri ji on this great work you should check out.
@@profrajeshmaurya5078 the horse was brought in by Arayan invasion as well as the ethnic caste system? Or do u have another Indian theory .. Arayan the term meant civilized ones and were the nobility like Buhdda who was u guessed it Arayan and white
INDUS VALLEY PEOPLE NEVER USED SANSKRIT LANGUAGE.
So, what forms of language they had ?
Different kind of script or what ?
Nor did they use dravidian language
@@rameshraju4784 But they had something in Common in Tamil and Indus valley Script.
@@shaheercp389 script of tamil and sanskrit the granta script is very similar so how can we say that script determines language
@@rameshraju4784 I was emphasising that it was not the Vedic people who established the Indus Valley Civilisation.
Vedas is his history of people living in Sapt Sindhu. It has nothing to do with Central Asia.
There is not any archeologil evidence to show that Aryans came from outside.
If Veda came fro outside then, where is that great Central Aisan Book, showing their culture, literature, social structure. Mam, there is none like that, so Aryan coming to Bharat is fabricated by Max muller. Who accepted himself that he had to do so, to please his British Masters to show that Indians do not have history of their own .
This research is not required. Only Aryans knows, who are they. 😊😊. You can't find them. But they are there still. Mathas have this information. Which you will never get. So assumptions are assumptions only.. And everything here is us assumptions Only. Because real Aryan informations available in few places only.
What authority you have to interpret the vedas? Pl specify your credentials.
@@hindupurprahalad1720 Let my arguments stand for themselves, that's the rational way to look at it
The vedic mythology have many similarities as the Nordic mythologies. As wel in the language. They came from the same area, which was north Iran.
Sanatan dhormo or Hinduism is dealing religious matters from so many years ago but missing the chronological information. That's the problem. There are lot of questionable things.
But there are not enough answers. Some said that may be many informative books, documents etc were lost/destroyed in Nalanda university library which was burned by foreign invaders in 1204 a.d.
That was unfortunate.
Sanatan dharma does not mean Hinduism. It just means eternal duties.
For your information some of the hymns were composed in some sort of proto dravidian language
Aryans, derived from the original Sanskrit word Arya, means cultivated educated person, according to Sri Aurobindo, used to have very high moral standard with great regard for truth, promise and hospitality. Their sages, or Rishis, after many years of meditations and learning, derived some great ideas or hymns(Riks) on God and universe.
Recent DNA evidence shows that Europe experienced a massive population influx from the east, beginning around 4,500 years from the present. Several haplo-groups were involved in this expansion, including the Indian-origin R1a1a. This was almost a total replacement event, which indicates that Indo-Aryans, among others, expanded westward into Europe and to a large extent replaced indigenous European males and their Y-chromosome strata (Sharma and his associates, 2009)
This genetic evidence indicates that several Y-chromosomal (patrilineal) lineages, one of which was the Indian-origin R1a1a, gave rise to the modern European population. Out of these lineages, R1a1a is the most widespread and numerous.
Recent DNA evidence shows that Europe experienced a massive population influx from the east, beginning around 4,500 years from the present. Several haplo-groups were involved in this expansion, including the Indian-origin R1a1a. This was almost a total replacement event, which indicates that Indo-Aryans, among others, expanded westward into Europe and to a large extent replaced indigenous European males and their Y-chromosome strata (Sharma and his associates, 2009)
This genetic evidence indicates that several Y-chromosomal (patrilineal) lineages, one of which was the Indian-origin R1a1a, gave rise to the modern European population. Out of these lineages, R1a1a is the most widespread and numerous.
It proves that:
1. The R1a haplogroup originated in India.
2. The Indo-Aryan people have lived in India for at least 15,450 years, which invalidates the theory that the Indo-Aryans invaded India 3,500 years ago.
3. The hundreds of millions of members (possibly over a billion) of the R1a family living across the world today - a very large fraction of humanity - are all descended from one single male ancestor who lived in India at least 15,450 years ago.
This discovery demonstrates the close genetic (and hence linguistic and cultural) affinity of Indians with the Russian and Polish people, the Vikings and Normans, and with the ancient Scythians and Tocharians, among many others (Sharma et al, 2009).
References:
Sharma S., 2009, The Indian origin of paternal haplogroup R1a1* substantiates the autochthonous origin of Brahmins and the caste system. Journal of Human Genetics, 54, 47-55
Sarker, A., A., Deshpande , A., Mukherjee, M. K., Bera,, B., Das, N., Juyal, P., Morthekai, R. D. , Deshpande, V. S., Shinde, V., & Rao, L. S., 2016, Oxygen isotope in archaeological bioapatites from India: Implications to climate change and decline of Bronze Age Harappan civilization, Nature, Scientific Reports volume 6, Article number: 26555.
Excellent , Sir .
In fact all the dates given by the AIT and AMT are just fancy full. According to the Hindu texts beginning with the Rigveda the Aryans came with the later Manu Vaivasvata (who was king of the Dravidians before!) by ship to India in the great flood which ended the Tretayuga and the Chakshusha Manvantara. Berossos dates this flood at about 33.500 BC while the backwards calculation of the up and down movement of the constellation Orion in the course of precession (called the three (!!!) steps of Vishnu through the universe by Hindu texts) gives a date of about 36.500 BC.
Repeatedly Attributing to Hindu Civilization... every other minute ... had been the most misperceived notion.
Hindu is a Indian Civil Laws to protect all the Indian school of practices/believes/philosophies that attributes to Indian continent.
I really liked this video
01:58. I really don't know around other interpretation..
" the Rigavedas came from ? Santa Lucia ? (LoL)".. which is too amazing.(?!?)
Please tell me how Sanskrit appeared in India. It is an Indo-European language which is related to all European languages. Did the ancestors of the Europeans come from India?
I have formally studied Sanskrit and did fair bit of research into western theories. Most of what is written about europians brought in Sanskrit is bullshi*. It just like British claiming to have brought in education civility into India.
No. By all reasonable accounts the Indo-Europeans were steppe peoples who spread out in all directions. 4000 years is a long time for things to diverge, but it's still quite possible and reasonable to reconstruct the relationships between the daughter languages.
The Rig Veda is about me. I am all that is, I am that Viraat Purusha.
The Indian valley civilisation developed from the Dravidian culture.
The Vedas were delivered by Maheshwara through two languages Tamil and then Sanskrit.
We can see all the puranas as being told by Shiva to Parvati.
Shiva is matter and Parvati is energy / Shakti.
It is not Daas, but Das meaning 10.
Sudas only means best among the ten.
Maheshwara through languages is beyond reasonable thought !
If you believe that all so called upper caste Hindus are outsiders and you are a descendant of Indus valley civilization then you should also know that the people of Indus valley civilization came from Iran. They created their civilization here by killing ingenious tribes of India. The indigenous tribes of India are also outsiders if you will go further back in the history. They are called the first Indians. They came here from Australia and Africa and started living here by killing a lot of wildlife and indigenous animals. In some way everyone living in any part of the world is an outsider according to this definition. This is how humankind has evolved and migrated everyone. The only people who can call themselves truly indigenous are the people living in the Horn of Africa because first humans evolved there. The word outsider is defined according to our present borders but obviously there was no such borders in the past.
What a stupid none said that upper caste hindus are outsiders ,they are just closely related to aryans then other indian groups, you are just going round and round just say clearly that you believe out of india theory.
india as a nation never existed
call a Russian say him/her that he/she came from horn of Africa then see their reaction
@@171_indranildutta6India as Subcontinent exist OK
@171_indranildutta6 india as a nation existed you rascal
Your concept is not only superficial but also an absurd imagination. Kuru kingdom exist in the 3rd century of B.C. That is after lord Buddha? Are you a mad?
Hi.
I don't know where I have mentioned so. For disambiguity, it spans over c. 1200 - c. 900 BCE.
Thank you for the comment!
Vedas birth place may be the present Iran adopted by people in Afghanistan Pakisthan and northern parts of India.
rakhighari excavations clearly says, tamil ethnic irula tribe DNA and indus skeleton DNA both are same...note my point this DNA not match other locations ex.india, pakistan afganistan, bangladesh. north indians also indus origins. but they mixed with aryan steppies.they lost indus culture and follow the vedic culture.
😂 no , it's just they found hunter gathers ancestry of indus that still highest intect in irula tribe
All Indian has hunter gathers, Neolithic ancestory
@@greaterbharat4175 indian sub continent people all are indus origins destruction of before indus valley...but after the indus period russia ukraine region steppies slowly migrated to india... these people DNA not match south asian continent and also this dna matched into ukraine region archeological sites...
@@kuttysathish8675 Where are these Russian & Ukrainian people migrated to Indus Valley NOW?
@@kuttysathish8675arya culture lol we are created by God arya do you understand universe creation how it happens aryan theory
Physical facial characteristics of the IVC look like me and my brother. We are both half Indian. Something not adding up unless no Aryan invasion. Brother looks Iranian. So some IVC looking Iranian.
Iranian or Persian Avesta mentions Indra and Varuna moved to east to Indus Valley region
If you read the work of Dionysiaca. You will know the real reason, though there are embellishment to the story. The real reason, however was to root out Kamdev from the land of Bharat. It has nothing to do with whether the people of India dont want to worship Indra/Zues/Mizraim or not.
What happened to Agni and Vayu?
Where ,? persian Avesta mentioned aryanam veijah as were hetumand is central ( Helmand) and they did not described hapt hendu ( sapt sindhu) are foreign land 😂 but one of region of Aryans
Indra is god
Analysis of molecular variance(AMOVA) test results shows that Brahmins had genetic affinities with several foreign populations of Central Asia and Europe. Y-haplogroup R1a1 known as the aryan gene in india is came from male european male descendants to their male offspring is highly present in Brahmin.
Based on archaeological evidence and genetic evidence a mighty group called Yamnaya(3300-2600 BC)(Y-haplogroup R1b) invade europe. The Aryan Brahmins(Y-haplogroup R1a1) who could not withstand this brutal attack gradually migrated from Europe to Asia as refugees and settled in the Gangetic plains of India. To validate this phenomenon, Yama is referred to as the god of hell in Sanskrit vedic scriptures.
The Aryan Brahmins who settled in "Ancient Near East" as refugees built temples which were dedicated to various deities. As documented by the Greek historian Herodotus (c. 484 - c. 425 BC), sacred prostitution was a common practice in these temples. Sumerian records dating back to 2400 BC refer to such temples as heaven and prostitution as a divine profession. Other evidence describes a temple brothel run by Sumerian priests in the city of Uruk. After 306 AD, this divine prostitution perpetuated by Brahmins and their followers was brought to an end by Emperor Constantine.
After the end of the Indus Valley Civilization (c. 2500 - c. 1700 BC), the Brahmins who entered the plains of India initially provided prostitution services to kings and the wealthy, however they identified themselves as religious priests to protect themselves as society considered prostitution a low-class activity. It was this effort of theirs that led to the entry of Brahmanism into Hinduism.
All the best
You are reading from wiki?
It is a myth
The empirical evidences of Archaeology, Linguistics, Myths and gods, food all points to a simple explanation. The Indus Valley Civilization flourished before the Vedic religion. After the demise of the IVC, the aryans arrived from the steppes of Europe. There was aryan immigration but no invasion as there werent much left for conflict. The amalgamation of the culture, myths and gods of the remnants of the IVC who mostly migrated down south, mostly probably via the Western coast rather than the land route which were densly forrested, resulted in the Hindu or Sanatana Dharma. The IVC people might have been monotheistic religion centered around a proto Siva shown as 'Pasupati', Lord of Cattle. The aryan nature gods of Indra, Varuna, Soma, Rudra etc. mixed and later gave rise to deities like Shiva (amalgamated with Rudra), Vishnu (amalgamation of many Nature gods of the aryans) later on a host of other minor and major gods. The vedic gods of Indra, Varuna etc. were relegated to minor gods status. The mixing of the aryans with the indigenous remanants of the IVC, tribals already living in the forests gave rise to the varna (caste) system, probably imposed by the aryans as they came down as far as the gangetic plains.
Read about real Mitanni orfigins. Honestly my father was right. He said Indians have become unintelligent greedy co
wards.
Sanatan dharma is not Hinduism. It simply means eternal duties.
All this can be kept pending till time machine is invented!
Rig Veda does not say anything about Aryans
Aryan came to india but before 10000 to 12000 years ago
They were Iranian hunter gatherers , not steppe aryans !
Why is it that everything outstanding always comes from somewhere else, and typically from Europe? The Aryan migration theory is a western invention. The argument is biassed and sounds like self-denial that Europeans were significantly more primitive than people of the Indian subcontinent.
Sure europeans were primitive lol Dna Doesn't lie What else doesn't lie is that every creature's comfort that surrounds you is a European Invention . Thank your lucky stars you have European d. N. A. Or you would look Like a sentinel islander .
You are right. I am sad so many self hating dumb ill educated indians full of self hatred and lies. People have said I follow Vedic fighting. I do.
Indus valley civilization had women as priest & high priest. Which vedic period promoted such culture.
Produce the evidence. I see mother goddesses but the other part no.
Ramayana period appears to be older than Rig Veda period. Does this mean no vedas existed during Ramayana time?
ramayan period is 1 crore years back
jains also mention ram who later became jain monk after coning back to ayodhya
then krishna period which is 5000 to 6000 years old
vedas are older than ramayan
also these dates are putup by western historians they doesnt want to believe that humans in east were civilized before westerners and yahudis.
The most profound plausibilty of the out of India migration is that of the recent Roma migrations into Europe. It proves it beyond doubt . The Roma migration is evidence enough that mass migrations did in fact take place directly from India to Europe during different time periods.
That's stupid. You really think that means the Proto-Indo-Europeans were Romanis? Lol
@@Anglisc1682Not Romanians, Have you heard of the Romanis?
Romani migration was much later.
@@yashagrawal88 obviously...but it clearly demonstrates the possibility of migration. You missed the point.
You are talking more from the ithihasa orientation. Vedas are much older. They have a universal background shared by very remote cultures and time periods. Respect it and understand.
So it's also possible that the actual name of the harrappan people were barathja.
Nothing new. This happens for all research/presentations when one is not UpToDate with the new findings and relies on older and obsolete material.
1. Rig Veda was not composed in a single sitting. There were periodical additions. There are 10 mandalas (sections). Each verse is attributed a rishi who composed the verse. All rishis mentioned in Rig Veda did not live concurrently.
2. There were no or scant additions to it in the post Mahabharata war period. As per modern astronomy the Mahabharata war happened c. 4,600 BCE. This date puts all the 'theories' like AIT and AMT or Kurgan Hypothesis into dustbin. It also puts to rest many theories put forward by the so called RW Historians to counter AIT/AMT. Only theory that subsists is OIT.
3. Modern astronomy also dates the Valmiki Ramayana to 12000 BCE.
4. Recent publications (last decade or so) by Birbal Sahni Institute of Palaeosciences, Lucknow [Dr. Niraj Rai] suggest that statistically, there is no difference between DNA of north and south Indians.
There are definite indications that Bharata Varsha landmass was inhabited by intelligent humans for the last ~60,000 to 80,000 years.
Good jokes !
Very interesting video, well delivered.
Of course, the debate based on Rig Veda - Linguistics and even archeology is being superseded by archeogenetics. And genetics is conclusively proving Indo European Migration Theory.
With regards to river Saraswati, its probably either river Helmland/ Haraxvati in Afghanistan. Rajesh Kocchar's book 'Vedic Indians' gives a discussion about it:
"To sum up, the available literary and scientific data suggest the following hypotheses: i. The stage when the Satluj and Yamuna flowed into the Ghaggar was long over before the Harappan times. ii. During the early and mature Harappan periods, the Ghaggar- Hakra channel was perhaps perennial or nearly so, to be able to sustain population groups on its lower course. iii. In about 1700 BC, the water supply diminished further, desiccating the lower part of the Ghaggar channel and forcing the later- period Harappans to migrate upstream to the Shivalik region. iv. In about 1400 BC there arrived, from the northwest, the Ṛgvedic people who gave to the upper course of the Ghaggar the name (Vinaśana) Sarasvatī after the nadītamā Sarasvatī (Hel- mand) they had left behind in Afghanistan. "
Genetically we are all Africans unless we find a lucy here, so why the hysteria.
No, the AASI genetic ancestry is unique to India as also andamanese !
It is not there anywhere else !
@@sachinpotdar7798 Whether by god or ghost , humans are not divided by caste or colour , All are created with equal respectability .
There is nothing as noblity or lower birth !
That is what thiru valluvar says " pirappokkum ella uyirkkum " meaning all are born equal .!
AASI is the genetic ancestry common to both north and south indians , but not others !
@@sachinpotdar7798 Do you want to say that the skin colours you told refer to the four varnas as told in bhagavath geetha ?
Basically ANI North Indians are Indo European AKA Aryan , and Indus Valley civilization
And ASI South Indians are Indus Valley civilization and native south population
That is the simplistic version , 98% of Indians have both genes , some have a half more dominant then the other
Im sure there are some pockets of people who are still unmixed Aryan and Native SI
Very True...In Tamilnadu There's a Community Who Are Pure Dravidian Race They aren't Mixed
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The term PANI or PHANI used in Rig Veda, refers to a group of people engaged in business. They could probably Tamil people. The word PANI in Tamil means to PRODUCE. That is to produce goods through trade. They were expert traders and sea farers and were very rich. In Tamil Language they were called PANIARS. These same PANIARS migrated to west Asia where the later became called PHONESIANS, a name given to them by Greeks. In Tamil money is called PANAM.
Pani(പണി) in Malayalam means Job. Panikkaar means Workers. Pani also means cold (പനി). Panam means money but it may be from Sanskrit Pana.
Aryan a person of Aryavart Bharat India.
Somebody mentioned about Ramayan & Mahabharath. All books including Vedaas written Sanskrit language in Deava Nagari script. The SCRIPT itself IS A EVIDENCE THAT all BOOKS Including Vedaas, Itihaasaas, Puraanaas WRITTEN BETWEEN 8th & 12th (Between 800CE - 1200CE) CENTURIES BY THE ARYANS IN SANSKRIT LANGUAGE. ........So What is the of Authentucity Ramayan & Mahabhararh? I am a Asst. Professor. I DID NOT FIND the KING SRI RAMA anywhere IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY IN INDIA or IN THE WORLD. if anyone finds show me the evidences. The ancient name of AYODHYA IS SAKETH. Saketh was A LAREST BUDDHIST CENTRE IN THE WORLD at that time. Aryan kings destroyed Saketh buddhist centre and Later RECONSTRUCTED AS AYODHYA TO PROVE RAMAYAN STORY IS REAL . But THE FACT IS ALWAYS FACT. If you go to Ayodhya still you will find BUDDHIST REMAINS EVERYWHERE. SRIRAMA TEMPLE IS BEING CONSTRUCTED BY REMOVING BUDDHIST REMAINS. Archeological evidences are also there. THIS IS purely ARYANs MAGIC.
No Saket is called to biggest subcontinent in their jatak katha him self talk about ayodya . And ramyana oldest evidence is nasuk katha inscription 200 BCE and Mahabharata is completed in the Gupta period.
No your writing is magic ✨😅
We came, we saw, we conqured
All concept are imaginary. Following questions can't be taken into consideration during discussion
1. regarding language .. if veda from central asia it should be written right to left as turkish languages if not central asia historian should conform other than india have no proper linguistic in cental asia.
2. Veda may have some perisian/ trukish/ central asian words. Those words may be take from existing indian culture to perisia like thailand, combodia etc..
3. No statue or evidence has found in central asia belongs to Veda or hinduism
4. Sanskrit are similar to or copy of south indian alphabet not like central asia language.
5. basic culture of indians are identical
6. why historians not consider, other than the words similar to central asia in sanskrit are belongs to or taken from aboriginal of Indian.
7.why historians didn't consider, as .migrant from the central asia follow and adopt indian culture ..
8. History makers always consider northern portion of india only
9. History tellers not consider... sanskrit is not spoken language it is created language for temple procedure
Wow, your knowledge of history is really poor!
you need to read more mate. u r at level 2.
@@angelboy2901 may be. but i search answers to my questions for a long time with plain heart without radical and religion differences in my mind i couldn't find answers. if any body knows the answers humbly request to post it. before posting pls . read history of saint agasdia. Then pallavas who created
script for nations out side of india in later perid. And also agamas of india. Thanks
@@yashagrawal88 yes. Tamil poetess Awaiyar quotes கற்றது கையளவு கல்லாதது உலகளவு [What you have learned is a mere handful; What you haven't learned is the size of the world]
Those hymns were later. Translated into sanskritic equivalents
Sound is not the beste. Ure voice is heavy to follow
Brahmeans are the Magi of Persia who fled to India during rashidun caliphate's religious persecution in the 7th century in Persia. Iran aryan airian aitreya are same word.
Sister first get you facts right before even blabbering about AMT.. Pls don't spread wrong information just for the sake of views..🙏
Lol anybody who knows sanskrit it is obvious everything is of Indian origin. Its plain in front of your sight, but we keep denying and promote racism
turn down the gain on your mic. it will stop screeching
Got a new mic
The Bramastra , a massive weapon.
Xenon 128 isotope found where in India!
Now , study plutonium radioactivity and atomic bombs!
valliya information aanu moley
Don't talk of fake Romila Thapar. Where is Aryan migration. Please don't talk of rubbish.
"Dasa" means servent and not enemy
The IVC had ended relocated east and south in 1900bc .
The male biased Steppe invaders of 1500 bc had completely merged with the native AASI to create the ANI population of north india, a freely mixing 'caste no bar' population.
Somebody commented that --- if Aryans were migrated between 1800BC - 500BC how did they know about Saraswathi river? now come to facts. .......... 1) MIGRATIONS of People is a CONTINUOS PROCESS throughout the World - in Past, in present and in future also it continues. 2) Indus valley/ Sindhu river valley civilisation has more than 10,000 years of history as per the latest available sources. And there are evidences that Agriculture at river valleys in the world started around 50,000 years ago. This is the main reason that our fertile Sindhu& Ganga river valleys attracted many people in the world. So ARYAN MIGRATIONS to India from Middle Asia already started from 10,000 years ago due to the development of many towns in Harappan/ Indus valley civilisation. This is the reason Aryans have the knowledge of Sarswathi River. 2) Second one- The People from various civilisations Greek, Mesopatonia etc have trade relations with Indus valley people. This is also a main reason that Aryan tribes of Middle Asia have the knowledge of Saraswathi River. 3) Here the most important fact is -- the HEAVY POPULATIONS OF ARYAN TRIBES from West Europe, Middle Asia (Iran, Afghanistan etc areas, South Russia MIGRATED TO INDIA between 1800 BC - 500 BC. As a result Indus valley had been destroyed. And these Aryan tribes settled in Sindhu & Ganga river valley areas and named North India as ARYAVARTHANAM. It means living place of Aryans
One correction, people from Western Europe aren't really considered "Aryan" (unless the context is of Nazi Germany), and the Yamnaya people originated significantly more east from there too.
Indus is Harappa arya means noble saraswati flows from Himalayas
bro this comment shows you have lack of knowledge about this topic
Analysis of molecular variance(AMOVA) test results shows that Brahmins had genetic affinities with several foreign populations of Central Asia and Europe. Y-haplogroup R1a1 known as the aryan gene in india is came from male european male descendants to their male offspring is highly present in Brahmin.
Based on archaeological evidence and genetic evidence a mighty group called Yamnaya(3300-2600 BC)(Y-haplogroup R1b) invade europe. The Aryan Brahmins(Y-haplogroup R1a1) who could not withstand this brutal attack gradually migrated from Europe to Asia as refugees and settled in the Gangetic plains of India. To validate this phenomenon, Yama is referred to as the god of hell in Sanskrit vedic scriptures.
The Aryan Brahmins who settled in "Ancient Near East" as refugees built temples which were dedicated to various deities. As documented by the Greek historian Herodotus (c. 484 - c. 425 BC), sacred prostitution was a common practice in these temples. Sumerian records dating back to 2400 BC refer to such temples as heaven and prostitution as a divine profession. Other evidence describes a temple brothel run by Sumerian priests in the city of Uruk. After 306 AD, this divine prostitution perpetuated by Brahmins and their followers was brought to an end by Emperor Constantine.
After the end of the Indus Valley Civilization (c. 2500 - c. 1700 BC), the Brahmins who entered the plains of India initially provided prostitution services to kings and the wealthy, however they identified themselves as religious priests to protect themselves as society considered prostitution a low-class activity. It was this effort of theirs that led to the entry of Brahmanism into Hinduism.
...the Vedic homeland
Absolutely there's no dispute about scriptures like Vedas, Upanishads, Puranas etc but it's malafiedly incorrect to say they were oldest than other scriptures becz these were written in Sanskrit in Devanagari script which developed only after 7th century CE and not BCE... even entire Ramayan and Mahabharat are just fiction stories written in sanskrit devanagari script probably after 7 - 10th century CE... There's neither historical evidence nor archaeological evidence to prove that old scriptures were written before BCE, also there's no evidence that Ramayan and Mahabharat happened in real time.... there's also no evidence that they were happened some lakhs of years ago Thretha yug, Dwapar yug etc, they are far from reality, beyond scientific proof....there was no Vaidic period either as claimed to exist before 15th century BCE or Sanathan period as claimed to have existed thousands /lakhs of years ago......oldest religious community were Jains prior to Buddhism who never believed in God, creation, scriptures etc and Mahavira was 24th Thirthankara the contemporary of Gautama the Budhha...
nothing was mentioned in Ashoka's rock eddicts either about scriptures...It's just political propaganda by communal elements in our country 🇮🇳 who are the deliberate distortortors of history and fake propagandists to gain political power...... 😎
The Arya is just a saying elderly person.
No movement of people involved.
Chanakya was very respected person
Buddha did not belong to kshatriya.
They did not have any classic rules.
During Buddha time there was classification.
They did not know Bhagavad Gita, Ramayan Mahabharat, Sanskrit.
Lol every buddhist scripture writed after kanishka
Meluhha was the name used by the Sumerians for the people of the Indus Valley civilization. The Meluhha is the origin of the Sanskrit Mleccha, meaning "barbarian, foreigner". Vedic Aryans encountered the Meluhha living in the Indus Valley and used their their name as a derogatory term for all non-Vedic people. People/tribes adopt the culture/history of their neighbors and then later claim it as theirs. People living in central and western Africa claim the Egyptian civilization when they had no connection to it. Same as the Western/Northern Europeans claiming Hellenic/Minoan civilization when they had no connection to it. It may be possible that the Vedic Aryans appropriated culture/history of local people as they assimilated them in the caste system.
Lol Mlecchas are beef eaters and caste system is made by God you are a rascal
@@sachinpotdar7798 Who ever made caste system is the rascal !
You are a rascal caste system is good if you do your work it is not about slavery @@tsMuthuraman-hm6wg
lol mel is dravidian origin upper or high
Completely discarding linguistic, archaeological and scientific evidence of academically established Aryan migration.
Why refer left wing (western political ideology) historians as academic historians, and the indigenous academic historians presenting their theory based on archeological proofs as right wing (another western political ideology) historians?
Indo Europeans always claim the land is theirs. Latest one is happening in front of our eyes
Correct pronunciation of river रवि is रावी ie not Ravi but Raavi though written as Ravi.
Veda says nothing about aryan invasion.