The Age of INDIA'S OLDEST BOOK: What They Won't Tell You
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- The oldest composition of South Asia is generally believed to be the Rigveda, one of the four sacred Vedas of Hinduism. In this video, Dr. M considers the evidence for the age of this amazing ancient book and explains how it fits into the history of Indo European languages.
NOTE: I used an old translation of the Rigveda, and near the end I recite a verse that reads "fort of iron." This is a mistranslation that I should not have used. The word translated "iron" is ayas, which does not actually mean iron, but is a generic word for metal.
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I once described the Rig Veda as "a sacred text for Hindus, but an even more sacred text for historical linguists"
As a linguist, I appreciate this :) If Sanskrit had never been written down, but had simply evolved orally into the modern Indic languages, we could still get by, but we'd be missing a lot of detail in the reconstruction of Proto-Indo-European.
Print version of RigVeda found in the year 1460. As per UNESCO....
As an Indian Hindu, that gave me a happy tear ❤
I wonder if similar holds true of the Gathas for Parsees. Historical linguists are nuts for them. Parsees would venerate the Gathas only inasmuch as they're part of the Avesta
I find this quite quick Witted. 😁
I've been doing self study of Vedic scriptures for a year (translated into English) it feels amazing
Currently I'm on the 5th Mandala of Rigveda
@@PavitShokeen beyond that! I am an archaeologist and paleontologist 😊
Even the antique tridents uncovered of Hindu supreme God Shiva themselves have been dated back to at least 100k years in the timeline!
In Prakrit literature, the Ramayana is estimated beyond 100k years! This is subject to change with archaeological evidence 😊
The VEDAS are much older than that from Brahma kalpa and even modern dating calculations!
We are looking for evidence to corroborate that 😊
@@StevenKilnergreat observation . And extremely educative to all people.
@@mahendrakvuppala3047 thanks! It's not easy to dig up earth and establish credentials to accumulate and prove a concept! Even with LIDAR now there are significant challenges due to the layers of earth embedded!
However, even from historical records and stone tablets type evidence, there's enough indication. BEST part is probably the unearthing of evidence 🌎 over, example: recent trident from Cebu Philippines.
That's a big help even with Anunnaki Sumerian Akkadian aspects 😊
@@StevenKilner: Salute to all studies and the saints who did it.... Bhim betka cave paintings in M.P. depicted 80+thousands yers old proved by carbon dating. Their all paintings of men riding elephent horses with bow sword etc etc shown
Did you find gravitation laws macwell Einstein equations higgs boson nuke technology viman building etc?
Studying ancient indian cultures is not easy, which is why this is yet another brilliant video from this channel.
Its damn easy.tell me if you need some help.
Garbage video. Full of mistakes, incorrections, superficial conclusions and relying on lack of research in this field.
This described Vaidik vedas writtened only after 1200 AD only.
The text name taken from Tamil siddha vedas and contents from Zoroastrianist texts etc...
@@Ottomans2k Tamil is oldest language sarr🥸
@@Ottomans2k if vedas are writtened after 12 as then why Did adi Shankaracharya (in 8th century) mentioned about vedas 🥱 why Did Chandragupta Maurya (300bce)did yagya? 🥱Cope harder dhamil nigg@ Dravidian
Awesome video. It's so hard to find ppl just talking neutrally about Indian history nowadays. Everyone is either propagating a narrative, or a counter-narrative. But at the same time, it probably just reflects the mindset of viewers who just look for confirmation bias. But your approach was interesting, and I have an appreciation for how to ask questions on history, so thank you!
Be careful by making such immediate judgement, watch few of his videos, you will immediately know that this person is already on a particular agenda. Example available in this same video itself let me tell you how-
He mentioned about the Chariot found in Sinauli as a cart because of solid wheel. And then immediately moved on to other topics.
At the same site at the exact same time those people also found 5 swords, war shield, and helmet, he did not discussed about that, because he knew that those things may prove this to war chariot and it is against his already believed opinions
Just check my latest comment. *Scientifically* shown evidence from rainfall in Thar dating to *5500 BC and 3000 BC* only
He has agenda
I'm always amazed at how detailed and well researched your videos are. I hope that you don't get too much hate for this video. I know that this topic is very political for some. The real question is this: When are we getting an audiobook of Dr. Miano reading the Rig Veda for us?
Thanks so much! Ha, I hadn't thought about an audio book.
@@WorldofAntiquity When will you write a book or make a video focusing on the harm being done by Uncharted X, Graham Hancock, Brien Foerster, etc? We need you to do it!
Thank you so much for all of your excellent work, the great collaborations, and your wonderful travel videos. I love all of it. ❤
@@WorldofAntiquity Sir, please please please please discuss the research work of Shrikant Talageri on the topic, I know you may not agree on his conclusion, but please give some platform to his works too, which is what I think the problem with Indology in the west (as well as in India), they never wanted to hear the other sides arguments, in between the ongoing tug-of-war between Nationalist and Marxist (and Dravidian thugs) in India he is the only scholar who approached this topic with greatest of honesty, please cover his point of views as well. Instead of wasting time on jokers like Nilesh Oak.
I am saddened by non existent Aryan invasion existing in our civilizations. The lndians were wearing silk whilst the European civilisation were living in caves and had kill animals to wear their skins?
@@cattymajiv What harm? Plenty of people find the speculation they offer interesting. Or are you of the opinion we already know all the facts and speculation has no place in archeology? Who exactly is being hurt by what they do? A bunch or random internet people?
in Indonesian, Griha means Griya (House). Kula means Keluarga (Family). Quite similar. Pretty cool to know.
Well most of south east asia was hindu in ancient time and the culture was also same.
We were all Hindu later Buddhist once, people to people contact existed among different clans and Tribes, and Nations. Sharing of knowledge was seen as duty among Dharmic Nations
@@animex8129nope... migrations of indo aryan languages speakers influenced many south asian languages in ancient times
@@linguaAndthoughts half knowledge
@@animex8129There are two things here to clarify
1. Claiming South Asia was initially Hindu, and considering Hindu practices as complex is acceptable.
2. Indo-Aryan languages speakers migrated and have contributed loanwords to other languages like South Indian languages and Indonesian. We see similarities, but these languages originally had native vocabulary that was erased after influence. It is a fact
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@@WorldofAntiquity Hello There , For context about Mother Saraswathi , Saraswathi devi is mother of knowledge and one of the main deity in the trinity.
Shiva-Paravathi(destruction),Lakshmi-Narayna(maintainance),Bramha-Saraswathi(creation).
So why Mother saraswathi descended on earth being the main deity ?
Mata saraswathi descended on earth due to a curse in argument with matha lakshmi and ganga , where mata saraswathi got curse to stay on earth as river (which is boon for humans as knowledge in the area got increased),later shiva gave boon that ganga descents on earth in the saraswathi river and mata saraswathi can return back(river drying up). curse for mata lakshmi is to get kidnapped by demon(ramayana),curse for ganga is to leave vaikuntam from narayan feet(where ganga originated) to bramha lok then eventually on earth
This is everything I wanted in a 'History of the Rig Veda' video - a scientific and rational approach. Grateful to you for sharing all this knowledge for free! Thank you🙏
Aryan invasion is outdated nonsense with all die respect based on the nonsense of max mueller who thought the earth was 6000 years old and tried to got the Vedas into that timeline. He was a Christian fundamentalist and his bias is clear.
An example of a different interpretation of the common words shared by Tamil and Sanskrit is the refreshing 1979 observation of Franklin Southworth, a linguist from the University of Pennsylvania. According to his analysis: 'these two lists [Dravidian and Indo-Aryan] both seem to suggest a rather wide range of cultural contacts, and that they do not show the typical (or stereotypical) one-sided borrowing relationship expected in a colonial situation'. Southworth continued, 'No picture of technological, cultural or military dominance by either side emerges from an examination of these words'.
The word Aryan in Sanskrit originally meant “one who follows a civilization whose aim was self-realization.” The aryans whose language and religion was Sanskrit and the Vedas were the forefathers of the Indo-Europeans. There is no proof aryans invaded India. Never in the Vedas are an external homeland mentioned. The Vedas are originally said to date to 1500-2000 and the alleged invasion of aryans into India would have taken place about 500 years later. To say they would have forgotten their homeland is like saying modern Americans forgetting their European roots.
Modern indologists more or less arbitrarily date the Vedas to the mid-second millennium bc, a date given by the German preacher-turned Indologist Max Mueller, hired on behalf of The British Raj to discredit and mythologize vedic culture in order to turn Indians into “brown Englishmen” as they said, and to baptize them.
Europe and America (including England up to the time of its colonial and economic interests in India) had very favorable impressions of Vedic ideas and culture. Beethoven, who based music on the philosophical Upanishads, and others up to Bohr and Oppenheimer. Mueller’s date was completely speculative and without evidence, while modern archaeological findings using satellites have located historical sites along the now-disappeared Saraswati river basin, which is described as many miles wide in the Vedas. Geological studies applied to Vedic descriptions date the Vedas at least several millennia earlier. Indeed astronomical archaeology pushes the vedic culture into the remotest antiquity.
Check-Indian Civilisation: The Untold Story - Revisited | Raj Vedam | Aryan Invasion/Migration Theory
Just check my latest comment. *Scientifically* shown evidence from rainfall in Thar dating to *5500 BC and 3000 BC* only
It is really interesting and beautiful to see the understanding you have of the ethno-linguistically motivated culture wars inside the Indian political scene. Tamils (like my own family) love to brag about how old Tamil is compared to the invader's language of Sanskrit ad nauseam, just like how the Sanskrit supremacists love to brag about how Sanskrit is 10000 years old. Both are equally grueling to listen to. Amazing video and an amazing set of insights as always :). Have been a follower since your early days. Lots of love
"Both are equally gruelling to listen to". Love it. ❤
its quite funny that only some Tamils are averse to Sanskrit, whereas no other Dravidian language speakers feel the same way. In fact, Kannada, Malayalam and Telugu speakers are very proud of the Sanskrit influence in their languages and consider Sanskrit to be their own language, rather than something to be exclusively held by the North. Interestingly, many historic kingdoms and empires that ruled Tamil Nadu also made use of Sanskrit. This unfortunate idea that Sanskrit is an invaders language is largely a political thing, just as politicians everywhere in India and the world incite hatred for their own political gains.
harish may be sanskrit is as old as observations recorded in surya siddhanta
It's amazing how many channels on yt seem to be more ideology than archeology. As a relative novice I'm glad this channel exists
Bro, anyways you don't win. As Aryan Theory goes, Whites are Aryan & Christian, so anyways you must have converted to Christianity...you are following the Aryan either way 😂 Sad for you
Unfortunately at different stages of my archeological journey, I was a believer of both the extreme dates, one that makes vedic culture seem like a child born yesterday and the other that makes dinosaurs look like little babies. And let me tell you, you wouldn't have liked to argue with me at either of those stages, I was just blind to reason.
I think I've matured in that sense and do try take a long, critical, third-person look at subjects like these.
You're clearly a very fair minded person now, admirable. I'm not a Hindu, but it is possible to believe the spirit of the claims (the eternal message of the scriptures, universal compassion etc) while not being dogmatic and narrow-minded.
All religions have been interpolated by humans, and made extremists of many people. Religion, IMHO had the primary role of creating a system of ethics underpinned by compassion and justice. But all religions have been twisted and added and corrupted over time.
@@kaisersozay99I don't think I've ever agreed more with another human being about religion.
I have similar opinions about the origins and growth of religion in human society, it has it's pros and cons simultaneously and is definitely a big part of human history. I think that even a slightly reasonable person can take the goods from these different lines of beliefs and customs and lead a great life whether they believe in God or gods or neither without falling for all the illogical and superstitious aspects of them.
Ya gotta!
@@kaisersozay99I am inclined to believe that the ones that were not considered religious (possibly biased, just saying) were labeled pagan, occultist...
That's what I'm reading thus far, my belief is stable, I'm open to confirmation, positive as well as negative. Gives me a desire to see how this next century plays out, as I am only 62
Yeah, the thing is that we really shouldn't take history and archaeology personal. It was more or less the norm way back and everyone claimed their civilization was the greatest, conquered most lands and had ties to ancient mythical places.
But we kinda have to reel ourselves in a bit and look on what the actual evidence say. In texts like this we do have some. We have the language itself in the text. We have what kind of artifacts and geography it describes and we have what archaeology shows us that fits with the descriptions in the text.
And sure, we could still be wrong with a few hundred years based on all that due to dating problems and the fact that we don't always find the earliest examples of things like chariots, it might take a few hundred years before one gets preserved.
But if 90% of all evidence points towards one date and you have a single thing pointing towards one severely different in either direction, something doesn't really add up with the last one. The alternate history gang tends to take that single oddity and ignoring everything else but that isn't really following the evidence, a single possibly faulty carbon dating or poetic description does not really trump a large number of evidence but it course could tell you that it might be worth rechecking all the evidence and look for more, but being certain without doing all that homework is bad science.
In either case, this is still a very important work and fascinating as well.
I really love the knowledge and personality this channel gives the world. Great work, keep on sharing your views!
Very well researched and even better presented! Unbiased and great clarity! 🙏
I had someone claim the hindu texts were 50,000 years old. I asked if they meant that the stories were that old, passed down orally for 50,000 years, they said "no, they were written down 50,000 years ago" I didn't even know where to begin to explain how that simply isn't possible. Perhaps I will point them to this video...
Not 50000 years but Ramayana is claimed to be 7000 years old or 5114 BC. So, Rigveda would be little older than that.
@poohthegreatslayer not written down, it isn't. Writing wasn't invented that far back.
The oral tradition might go back 7000 years, but it certainly wasn't written down then. Let alone 50,000 years ago.
There is a lot of vested interest culturally in this being the "oldest of the old" and you'll see this play out often in the comments on any video about Indian books or culture. It will happen in the comments here guaranteed. Some people are really attached to the idea that their culture is "the oldest" which leads them to believe wild claims about their own culture which support this theory like the one you encountered claiming this was written 50k years ago which is obviously impossible for a lot of reasons not the least of which is the documented and well-traced invention of writing and pictograph. I'm not mad at these people for believing what they were told. But that's the same reason racism lives on, so the better way to go would be to not just believe what you are told but rather go and seek out the evidence and go wherever the facts lead you. Anyway I just think it's an issue when you're so committed to being "the oldest" that you'll believe anything in order to get to that conclusion. Very dangerous thinking.
@@bipolarminddroppings I think you should understand that most of the Hindu text were "shruti" (Which is passed down by word of mouth). Also there is smriti it is written by authors who wanted to give their view. No one is claiming to be 50000 years ago. He might have listened to some propaganda. According to star placement in the sky, ramayana and mahabharat dates were determined by Sanskrit and vedic scholars. Yes, it is hard to prove but if we get more archeological evidence of earlier kingdoms then we can determine such things.
I'm Indian and it's sad that people want to prove everything is India centric..
Thanks!
This is the first time I've felt that I had to contribute and comment after one of your videos, or any UA-cam video for that matter - because I hadn't heard or read this explanation - about the river Saraswati - done so well anywhere else. It's obvious that a great deal of work has gone into this - Thanks!
And thank you!
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Just check my latest comment. *Scientifically* shown evidence from rainfall in Thar dating to *5500 BC and 3000 BC* only
This is so well done! Especially the ending is just right on beautiful! Thanks for sharing this kind of work.
Woah!! I had so many misconceptions. Thankyou for sharing your knowledge.
Love history and love your channel for being historically accurate. Appreciate how much research you do before you make your videos. Love how you bust those myths. Thank you for your work sir. Hope your channel continue to grow and you have time and energy to maintain it.
This was a succinct and very lucid explanation. I have copied the link to this into my personal files on this subject. Thank you once again Dr. Miano!
Loved your videos and respect how you reply almost every question from the comments 👍
Dr. Miano thank you for the excellent presentation. You have explained so well. I am an amateur historian. It is so wonderful to listen to your explanations. You are so clear and precise with your interpretations. Thank you so much.
Thank you Dr. Miano.
Another fascinating video! Thanks, Prof. Miano, for your excellent work.
This is great info and definately narrows down the time period, the long reading on the Saraswati seemed to come almost out of nowhere though didn't really understand where you were going until you finished the reading.
LOVE YOUR WORK, Great Job....best video about history of rig Veda so far.
Thanks! love your videos.
Thank you too!
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Fascinating stuff, Doc! Thanks for all the hard work you put into this. I've never studied the Vedas, but this video has made me interested.
🎊🎊🎉🎉🥁🥁your journey to enlightenment starts now.
thank you for a very comprehensive overview on a subject that truly needs it. There is so much nuance to history that is oft overlooked; even if at times by mere oversight.
Wow, what an outstanding analysis! Absolutely awesome.
Very compelling, factual evidence based and authentic study, very well presented to dispel all the myths and misinformation floating around. I highly appreciate it.
Your capacity to read and understand the issues in depth regarding various ancient cultures is astounding.You have deep knowledge about the archaeology,history,written literature and culture of various civilisations around the world.
Added to that,you have clear logical,analytical approach towards those subjects.
I always see in full all your videoes, those relating to India and south asia.
Thank you.🙏
Check-Indian Civilisation: The Untold Story - Revisited | Raj Vedam | Aryan Invasion/Migration Theory
Now that was a wonderful lecture. Thank you!
Brilliant video, good analysis.
Thank you , i learned a lot of things about History today from this video 🙏🏼
Love your work because the presentation is simple and direct. Cont. success.
As always, a great breakdown of the findings and current theories. I have heard few questionable claims about cannabis in ancient history. Especially about it being in ancient middle eastern anointing oils. I imagine a video on the subject could potentially be a click factory.
Some verses of the Rigveda may be more than 5000 years old, such as those on Indra and Agni.
Bhai aapse dubara mil k acha laga 😊
Also that one which mentions saraswati river, bcz the way saraswati river is celebrated and considered holy and strongest, it suggests that the river was once in its very powerful mode which is beyond 2000B.C.E. atleast bcz after that the river started draining
Sanskrit itself came from Pali prakrit..
Written? Or oral? Oral
@@y1.5 just like your father came from you ,huh?
the amount of indian scholars , historians and archaelogists in the comment section is astounding
tera hajam nahi ho raha hai?
Amazing analysis. This is much needed especially in this world of using things out of context to propagate a narrative.
What narrative?
Aryan invasion is outdated nonsense with all die respect based on the nonsense of max mueller who thought the earth was 6000 years old and tried to got the Vedas into that timeline. He was a Christian fundamentalist and his bias is clear.
An example of a different interpretation of the common words shared by Tamil and Sanskrit is the refreshing 1979 observation of Franklin Southworth, a linguist from the University of Pennsylvania. According to his analysis: 'these two lists [Dravidian and Indo-Aryan] both seem to suggest a rather wide range of cultural contacts, and that they do not show the typical (or stereotypical) one-sided borrowing relationship expected in a colonial situation'. Southworth continued, 'No picture of technological, cultural or military dominance by either side emerges from an examination of these words'.
The word Aryan in Sanskrit originally meant “one who follows a civilization whose aim was self-realization.” The aryans whose language and religion was Sanskrit and the Vedas were the forefathers of the Indo-Europeans. There is no proof aryans invaded India. Never in the Vedas are an external homeland mentioned. The Vedas are originally said to date to 1500-2000 and the alleged invasion of aryans into India would have taken place about 500 years later. To say they would have forgotten their homeland is like saying modern Americans forgetting their European roots.
Modern indologists more or less arbitrarily date the Vedas to the mid-second millennium bc, a date given by the German preacher-turned Indologist Max Mueller, hired on behalf of The British Raj to discredit and mythologize vedic culture in order to turn Indians into “brown Englishmen” as they said, and to baptize them.
Europe and America (including England up to the time of its colonial and economic interests in India) had very favorable impressions of Vedic ideas and culture. Beethoven, who based music on the philosophical Upanishads, and others up to Bohr and Oppenheimer. Mueller’s date was completely speculative and without evidence, while modern archaeological findings using satellites have located historical sites along the now-disappeared Saraswati river basin, which is described as many miles wide in the Vedas. Geological studies applied to Vedic descriptions date the Vedas at least several millennia earlier. Indeed astronomical archaeology pushes the vedic culture into the remotest antiquity.
Narratives on "vedic society", "indo aryan", "indo europian" which are non existent. These were mere concoctions of proselytising abrahamics starting with Max Muller.
This video was going well untill he stopped evidence at the end and starts ranting about exaggeration. Lol. Typical butthurt western scholar who can't cope that Hindus are older than their ancestors
Wonderful explanation - Well researched ! 👌👌🙏
I'm glad that I found this Channel. I had been doing research on the Authenticity and Preservation of Veda for more than a year, Alhamdulillah your contents are very helpful.
Coming from my own secular Jewish perspective, this video is an interesting reflection of something that goes on in Judaism, too. Generally, the older a Jewish religious text is, the more accurate it's considered to be, and thus the more weight it is given within the Jewish tradition. This is why Moses de Leon, the probable author of the Zohar, pretended that he'd discovered a 1,000-year-old text in a cave, rather than admitting he'd written it himself.
Lol 😅 In rig veda there is a River called Saraswat ( a holy river) i was mentioned 25 times near which they pray. That river completely dried up around 4000bc . If veda was written around 800bc where was the river in hell!
@@deepakkumardipu4912 because it was not fully dried up. he mentioned it in this video
That is completely incorrect and not at all why he did that. Parts of the Zohar are indeed orally dated to the time of Shimon Bar Yochai. Leon added significant portions but there is no doubt older parts remain. The same is true of the Sefer Yetzirah which has parts from the time of Abraham. Oral traditions are different than written. You make the same mistake this very video calls out.
And, much of the content he wrote was independently verified as having been known to the Rabbis. Kabbalah was Sod, there is no denial of this, and your inane attempt to pretend everything was public is an affront to hashem
As another secular Jewish person, I'd love to see similar content about our history to. Sam Arronow has a pretty good channel but a more archeological perspective would be great.
The concept of
GOD
SOUL
KARMA
ENLIGHTENMENT
is given by sanatanis(hindu) to all world ,how will you explain Indian gods in Maya ,Aztec ,olmec civilization
You've done it again, Mr.Miano. Loved every minute of this video as I have all your previous takes on Dwarka and Gobekli Tepe. Might I also add, there is a river in Afghanistan, Helmand who's tributary was called Haraxvāiti in older times. There's an S/H shift which is common in indo iranian/aryan branches such as Old Avestan and Rig Vedic Sanskrit. The name is pretty similar to Saraswati though !
Also, some authors ( one of them was a freedom fighter/a founding figure in India's freedom struggle - Bal Gangadhar Tilak ) have proposed an arctic home for the tribes described in the earliest khandas of the Rig Vedas based on their description of the sky above them ( the constellations in the elliptic then vs now ) suggesting an origin near southern ukraine which I've always found interesting. Would love to hear your take on it someday as well.
I thought about including a discussion of the Helmand, but it doesn't seem to be a very common view these days.
@WorldofAntiquity I'm no expert but I was also going to ask about the Helmand as I see a lot of textual evidence and found it convincing.
There's no reason to suppose that Indo Aryans had anything to do with Harappan civilization. To me the attempts to connect them seem tortured. Harappan iconography shows a cultural continuity with India today while the gods of the Rig Veda, the fire altars, etc are remarkably similar to the Iranian gods and religious practices.
People have trouble understanding that languages are not genetics. Hungarians have only a 3% genetic connection to Finns, but they don't speak a Slavic language, they speak a language related genetically to Finnish. India isn't any less Indian for having IE languages just as Europe isn't any less European for the same.
You know what’s really interesting bruu , is that in Ukraine , they have found an ancient symbol of the swastika which means this region was part of an ancient Vedic culture ! I think when the Vedic culture expanded due to the septarishs going out to help humanity we are probably looking at a very long time ago , I mean how old is sanatana dharma ?
@@rogerwolfe1888 Why do you think that a swastika means Vedic?
@@WorldofAntiquity I knew that using the word Vedic would get me in trouble ! So the question is what culture did the symbol come out of ? Perhaps it is a universal symbol , some Native American tribes have it but the word swastika is a Sanskrit word and and has meaning in the Vedic traditions and was and is used by sanatana dharma ! There I didn’t even use the word Hindu ! Now go back to your desk and argue over other petty questions ! I know what the symbol means and that’s good enough for me ! So there dude
Thanks again for your awesome work!
You just earned a new sub! Really enjoyed the flow(pardon the pun) of the video and the way you presented and contrasted the different elements :)
Awesome, thank you!
you’re doing invaluable work, doc
Your scholarship is excellent, as always I think your superpower is the ability to identify trends in amateur history make extremists look foolish. Excellent work.
Excellent commentary and arguments
Nice, learned something new about my culture. Thanks!
Thanks again Professor Miano. This is always the place to learn something new or more about something I knew.
I would really like to see your take on the myth (or not) about all martial arts descending from pankrateon taken by Alexander soldiers to India and then spreading to the rest of the Asian continent.
Is there a video that talks about this?
@@WorldofAntiquity Oh there's plenty but I believe the one I saw was either on Discovery Channel or History Channel.
There's several articles over the internet as well but I can't seem to find nothing "official".
@@miguelsacramento4416go and read about bodhidharman
Bruh tf? People actually believe that lol
Thanks again, I love your videos, the details, the explanations about how we know these things, great tools against internet disinformation!
And thank you!
i hope you dwell more into ancient india history. really fascinating stuff.
Like, for example?
@@dannystark7668Certainly! Here's a brief chronological overview of some key ancient Indian philosophies:
1. **Vedic Period (1500 BCE - 500 BCE)**:
- **Vedas**: Early Indian scriptures containing hymns, rituals, and philosophical speculations.
- **Upanishads**: Philosophical texts exploring the nature of reality, the self (Atman), and ultimate truth (Brahman).
2. **Brahmanical Period (500 BCE - 200 BCE)**:
- **Nyaya**: Systematic logic and epistemology, attributed to Gautama (not Buddha).
- **Vaisheshika**: Atomistic metaphysics and ontology, associated with Kanada.
- **Samkhya**: Dualistic philosophy positing the existence of Purusha (consciousness) and Prakriti (matter), attributed to Kapila.
- **Yoga**: Explores the methods and practices for self-realization, associated with Patanjali.
3. **Axial Age (6th - 5th century BCE)**:
- **Buddhism**: Founded by Siddhartha Gautama (Buddha), emphasizing the Four Noble Truths and the Eightfold Path.
- **Jainism**: Founded by Mahavira, emphasizing non-violence (ahimsa), asceticism, and karma theory.
4. **Classical Period (200 BCE - 1100 CE)**:
- **Nyaya-Sutra**: Systematized by Aksapada Gautama, focusing on logic, epistemology, and metaphysics.
- **Vaisheshika-Sutra**: Further developed by Kanada, focusing on atomistic metaphysics.
- **Purva Mimamsa**: Ritual and hermeneutics, emphasizing the authority of the Vedas.
- **Vedanta**: Philosophical traditions interpreting the Upanishads, including Advaita Vedanta (non-dualism), Vishishtadvaita Vedanta (qualified non-dualism), and Dvaita Vedanta (dualism).
5. **Medieval Period (1100 CE - 1800 CE)**:
- **Bhakti Movement**: Devotional traditions emphasizing the personal relationship with the divine, popularized by various saints across India.
- **Sufism**: Islamic mysticism that influenced Indian spiritual thought and practice.
These are just some of the major philosophical schools and movements in ancient Indian philosophy, each with its own unique perspectives on existence, consciousness, ethics, and the nature of reality.
Great video!
Great analysis! Would love to get your take on the migrations of the Alina, Sirmyu, Bhrgu, Paktha, Parsava, Parthava tribes after the Dasarajnya war as mentioned in the Rg Veda.
Enlightening and insightful. Love the TARDIS on your bookcase.
Thank you so much for your studies of the ancient world, this video in particular interesting for me as I am interested in ancient languages. Much appreciated, live long.
Professor, would you be so kind and do a similar piece about Avesta and Zoroastrian literature, please?
At 22:00 you mentioned that "iron" is not in the Rig Veda. But then you went on to show a hymn about the Saraswati river from the Rig veda, that uses the term "fortress of Iron". Could you please clarify if it's just a translation thing or something else?
Good question
Looked up, it uses a form of I believe "ayas" term, 'ayasa' in the text. Not a linguist or anything, someone who actually knows the language can give a better context. The verse citation was helpful.
"Ayas" can mean iron, copper (even saw a quote arguing for brass) and as such a different online translation I found leaves a rightfully generic meaning to the broad term as 'metal'.
Oh man, I missed that. Yes, it is a mistranslation. But I should have corrected it. As NewNecro said, Ayas can mean any metal. There is a different word, shyama-ayas (black metal), that actually means iron.
Thanks for the response. And for the Great video.
Great content, thanks!
Thanks for this video ❤
May goddess Saraswati flood your channel with views and subscribers.
Ha thanks!
The flood may be seasonal. ;-)
Horse bones in a city prior to horse domestication are just as likely to be the remains of a meal. People were eating horses far longer than they have been riding them.
"Horse bones in a city prior to horse domestication are just as likely to be the remains of a meal." - but from where would they get horses to eat if horses had not already been domesticated? Note: the horse is not native to the Indian subcontinent.
@@TheDanEdwards Salted horse meat can be transported half across the world without perishing.
And then you have the fact that bones are a raw material used for a lot.
So domestication isn't needed to find horse bones even where horses don't exist.
@@benghazi4216 it is unlikely that the cured meat or jerky would contain bones. It would have added unnecessary, especially considering how heavy a horses carcass is.
@@UtkarshMSharma Cured meat does include bones. It's literally the most common form of cured meat. Go in to any butcher. Or just do an image search on Google.
Who on earth thinks you bring the whole carcass when traveling? You butcher it. But doesn't mean you carve it down into a million thin jerky pieces. Remember, you are a hunter on the move, in a constant life or death situation, especially when the other predators show up..
Oldest arcealogical sites in India have already found Horse War Chariots, Bronze Age solid-disk wheel, first-ever" physical evidence of chariots dating 2,000 BC - 1,800 BC was found at Sinauli, India's largest and 4000-year-old burial site. evidence of burials of warriors, weapons and chariots which is indigenous in nature, proving so called Aryan were indigenous People/Culture not invaders. Some claim found horse drawn chariots which were almost 5000 years old.
Excellent video Sir!
Great video sir! It is confusing for whom the praise are written for the Goddess or the river, the line "Saraswati who slayeth the parvatas/moutains" suggests it might be talking about the river (but it won't make sense in the next line). Today, Goddess Saraswati is seen as a knowledge/music deity. But verses shown in the video are fierce, if she is the same Goddess the nature of the praises should be different which makes me believe the attributes are written for the river and also she is personified as Saraswati. But I find it funny as all comes down to "कवि का क्या तात्पर्य है / what does the poet mean".
The "th" in Atharva Veda is not Anglo-Saxon. It is pronounced more like the "th" in "cathouse." Thx.
Whoops. Thank you.
@@WorldofAntiquity NO, it's dental sound ( थ ) pronounced like th in "thorium" (not retroflex, but dental)
Very scholarly and authentic . I agree with every word of the lecture. Thank you very much.
Enjoyed the video quite a lot. Thanks! I do have a slight problem with it though. What is the huge round island in the central Atlantic and that weird rectangular island in the Pacific? Where did this map of the world come from? Sorry for the digression but I found it quite a surprise. Look forward to learning more! Cheers. :)
As a professional linguist, I really appreciate your discussion of the linguistic genealogy of Sanskrit within the Indo-European family, and to linguistic evidence brought to the discussion, including the Mitanni vocabulary and the internal linguistic evidence within the Rig Veda. Great video, and a great, methodical argumentation for the dating of the Rig Veda.
To add more on the linguistic side: some Sanskrit-focused Indian nationalists accept the existence of the Indo-European language family, but argue that Sanskrit is the original language of the family and that all other IE languages are descended from it. This way, they can say that Sanskrit is both indigenous to India (refuting, in their minds, the Aryan Invasion theory), and that ancient Sanskrit culture and religion is the progenitor of a large number of other cultures in Eurasia.
The best lingusitic evidence against this view is the internal structure of Sanskrit itself. When comparing the vowels of Sanskrit within words that are obviously related to words in other IE languages (what in linguistics are called 'cognates'), we see many instances where various vowels in the other languages all correspond to the same vowel - /a/ - in Sanskrit words. To give one example, Sanskrit /aśva/ corresponds to Ancient Greek /hippos/ and Latin /ekwus/, all meaning 'horse'. Note that Ancient Greek and Latin have two different vowels in their words (i-o in Greek, e-u in Latin), but Sanskrit has a-a. If Sanskrit were the mother language, and Greek and Latin were the daughters (meaning that Greek and Latin began as dialects of Sanskrit that diverged from the main body of Sanskrit speakers over time), we would have to posit a linguistic rule that would account for the first /a/ changing to /i/ or /e/, but the second /a/ changing to /o/ or /u/. Such rules are based on contrasting consonant environments, of the form for example "original /a/ changes to /o/ when following the sound /k/" or the like. But it turns out we cannot construct any such regular rules if we assume that the Sanskrit word, /aśva/ represents the original form. We end up with a one->many correspondence with no explaining factors for how the splits in the vowels occurred.
However, through a lot more comparisons that linguists have been doing on the entire Indo-European family for more than 2 centuries now, we've found a set of linguistic rules that easily explain the change *going in the other direction* . That is, we must assume that the original vowels in this word meaning 'horse' look more like the vowel pattern we see in the Greek and Latin forms, and that it is *Sanskrit* that underwent a change in which both vowels were levelled to /a/. In fact this levelling happened even before Sanskrit was a distinct language - it must have occurred in the last common ancestor of the Indo-Aryan and Iranian branches of IE - a language called Proto-Indo-Iranian - because the same levelling to /a/ is found in the Iranian languages as well.
This is only one small piece of evidence that suggests Sanskrit must be one of the daughters of the family, it cannot be the family's progenitor. Various consonant correspondences support this, as do details of Sanskrit noun and verb inflection, and rhe vocabulary of Sanskrit, which suggests a culture coming from outside of India and adapting to local conditions, including new plants and animals.
One thing I stress when teaching linguistics is just how rich are the languages all of us speak in terms of evidence for our various cultural histories. Every migration, division, and social feature of a culture is etched right into the language(s) that culture speaks. It's really fascinating, and is something that I think a lot of these cultural nationalists and pseudohistorians (ironically) fail to appreciate.
Very well said. I too have had to deal with amateur linguists who want to say that Sanskrit is the mother of all IE languages (the even more ridiculous version of it says that Sanskrit is the proto-language of all human language families). They cannot explain these seemingly unconditioned and unsystematic sound changes.
What indications are there regarding the origin of the Indo-European language?
Can an assumption of a point, region on the globe be made?
Like Baltic States, Balkani, Italia, Turkiye, Iran ....etc
@@MrCrish81Lithuanian language so similar to Sanskrit its sounds Like some miss pronounced Sanskrit lol
@@svanimation8969 My understanding is that Lithuanian preserves many elements of archaic Indo-European, though I'm not sure it can therefore be said that Lithuanian comes closest to Proto-Indo-European among living languages.
@@barrymoore4470 watch the comparison of both Languages its cool u will get it what I'm saying
Thank you for the interesting topic of dating the Rig Veda. Fully agree withyour logic. Specifically, about the Sarawati :
Haraxvaiti is a river known to Avestan or Iranians. The modern Helmand is Hetumand "lakes, full of" is an Avestan/Iranian name. The modern Arghand-ab "shimmering river" is a tributary of the Helmand and is associated with the ancient Avestan/Iranian Haraxvaiti.
These were the river names and the names migrated as populations migrated. The Hakra paleo channel is a namesake of the Arghandab. The poetry is related to the Western river, of course the river is a metaphor for a diety.
Arachosia to the Greeks iirc
If a 5000 year old skeletons from Indian Subcontinent does not have no traces of 'Aryan gene', finds the DNA study by . Dr. Niraj Rai who is the Head of the Ancient DNA Lab at Birbal Sahni Institute of Palaeosciences, Lucknow Uttar Pradesh .
Than , How could they known a river that flows through Indian Subcontinent 10, 000 years ago ? If their was never a genetic or DNA traces of 'Aryan gene' in Indian Subcontinent even in 5000 years ago
@@mscreationworks5787 you have check david reich recent revisied book " Who We Are and How We Got Here" he is from harvard which lead world genome project with whom only niraj and shinde collabrates. He mentioned "before it was named as nordic-aryan gene for east migration" but both threatened to pull out india from research if they specify as aryan gene, so we named it steppe gene" . Out of 92 author only 3 people says aryan invasion is fake, steppe people wer not aryans. 3 people nothing but niraj,shinda and thanaraj.
@@skyquestmani The last time a paper titled ‘The Genomic Formation of South and Central Asia’ was released online, in March 2018, it created a sensation in India and around the world.
Mostly because the paper, co-authored by 92 scientists, many of them doyens of different disciplines, said that between 2000 BCE and 1000 BCE, there were significant migrations from the Central Asian Steppe that most likely brought Indo-European languages into Indian subcontinent - just as Steppe pastoralist migrations into Europe a thousand years earlier, beginning around 3000 BCE, had spread Indo-European languages to that continent as well.
In other words, the paper supported the long-held idea of an ‘Arya’ migration into Indian subcontinent - or, to put it more accurately, a migration of Indo-European language speaking people who called themselves ‘Arya’.
@@mscreationworks5787
That paper clearly proves that swat valley samples which were from late bronze age and iron age, didn't have any y DNA r1a sample ( so called Aryan gene)except for 1 among 33 males sequenced.
Narsimhan,one of the author of papers, point blank accepted what was already known, that swat valley samples had steppe DNA which was mediated by females.
This is an evidence against steppe migrations bringing IE languages in India, which requires male mediated migration
Really nice and well-structured video. 45 min passed in the blink of an eye, I could watch even a 2-3 hour video of yours without pause if you do it with this much quality. Really nice change from the shorts and reels which just push a narrative with some added stupid BGM to make you feel like its legit
Thanks for providing links to citations! I’m not especially interested in the Vedas. But a couple of those papers may shed light on other puzzles.
The myth series is my most favourite video category on this great channel
Have you seen the new Hegarty et al paper which suggests Indo-Iranian branches off much earlier than previously thought, like 5650 to 8400 yr B.P.? I know it's pretty new but i'm dying to hear some informed opinion on this one!
Can you share link for this paper?
So may I ask after a serious consideration of all the forgoing, what would be your best guess date?
Absolutely brilliant, intriguing ❤❤❤❤thanks very much
I am interested in rigveda for political reasons.
Rigveda certainly compiled after the Battle of 10 kings. And it contains schools of thoughts of Rival Sages who supposedly fought each other in that Battle. So it also work as peace Treaty after a War.
Aryan invasion is outdated nonsense with all die respect based on the nonsense of max mueller who thought the earth was 6000 years old and tried to got the Vedas into that timeline. He was a Christian fundamentalist and his bias is clear.
An example of a different interpretation of the common words shared by Tamil and Sanskrit is the refreshing 1979 observation of Franklin Southworth, a linguist from the University of Pennsylvania. According to his analysis: 'these two lists [Dravidian and Indo-Aryan] both seem to suggest a rather wide range of cultural contacts, and that they do not show the typical (or stereotypical) one-sided borrowing relationship expected in a colonial situation'. Southworth continued, 'No picture of technological, cultural or military dominance by either side emerges from an examination of these words'.
The word Aryan in Sanskrit originally meant “one who follows a civilization whose aim was self-realization.” The aryans whose language and religion was Sanskrit and the Vedas were the forefathers of the Indo-Europeans. There is no proof aryans invaded India. Never in the Vedas are an external homeland mentioned. The Vedas are originally said to date to 1500-2000 and the alleged invasion of aryans into India would have taken place about 500 years later. To say they would have forgotten their homeland is like saying modern Americans forgetting their European roots.
Modern indologists more or less arbitrarily date the Vedas to the mid-second millennium bc, a date given by the German preacher-turned Indologist Max Mueller, hired on behalf of The British Raj to discredit and mythologize vedic culture in order to turn Indians into “brown Englishmen” as they said, and to baptize them.
Europe and America (including England up to the time of its colonial and economic interests in India) had very favorable impressions of Vedic ideas and culture. Beethoven, who based music on the philosophical Upanishads, and others up to Bohr and Oppenheimer. Mueller’s date was completely speculative and without evidence, while modern archaeological findings using satellites have located historical sites along the now-disappeared Saraswati river basin, which is described as many miles wide in the Vedas. Geological studies applied to Vedic descriptions date the Vedas at least several millennia earlier. Indeed astronomical archaeology pushes the vedic culture into the remotest antiquity.
Bro , Sanskrit did not attested a written script until 1st century BCE onwards
@@mscreationworks5787 no one accept that Sanskrit is only 2000 years old.
@@Vishnujanadasa108 2500 BC Rakhigarhi skeletons have no traces of 'Aryan gene', finds DNA study by . Dr. Niraj Rai who is the Head of the Ancient DNA Lab at Birbal Sahni Institute of Palaeosciences, Lucknow Uttar Pradesh
Even International genetic David Reich who is Head of Harvard School of Medicals said that Indus Valley people did not has genetic contribution from the steppes
The study - titled ‘An ancient Harappan genome lacks ancestry from Steppe pastoralists or Iranian farmers’
@@mscreationworks5787 Tripitaka mentions it
Thank you Sir! I’m recently subscribed to your channel and love your videos! You are a life-raft in a sea of misinformation that often plagues UA-cam, tic toc, etc.
As an added compliment: You are the Chewjitsu of History. Trust me, that is a compliment. And for anyone else who delve into the UA-cam circles of both History and Jiu Jitsu, you know they look like they could be brothers. 😉❤
Ha, thank you, and welcome!
Fantastic video and very informative. I wouldn't be surprised if very small sections are extremely older than thought but not anywhere close to 30,000 years old.
Thanks for the brilliant video. Loved it. Although, a little confused on a small point. You mentioned that Right Veda precedes the use of Iron, yet in many RV texts projected by you in the video, the River Saraswati is mentioned as a "Fortress of Iron". Kindly clarify whether the " Fortress of Iron" is merely a metaphor used in the English translation or whether the term is explicitly used in RV.
See the note under the video.
Thanks. Great input. I suppose since the ivc was fading at the time of the rg Veda, it may have integrated some ivc poems. It would make sense that ivc would have had oral stories like most ancient people's. Since we know in India that Hindu scripts do tend to be modified by local stories as it spread across India with many local deities included. It's possible that mythical stories from pre 1900bce got included. It's really great that so much research is being done. In Christianity a 2000 year old person is worshipped, Buddhism a 2500 year old teacher. It's not necessarily true the river existed at the time of composition of the Vedas, as they also talk about the formulation of the world.
What local deities?can I get the name of even one of them. thanks
@@dannystark7668 Bhagavathi is a local Kerala diety for Shakti. JakhDevta and Latu are worshipped by tribals in Uttarakhand. Some say there are many millions of dieties in Hinduism spread across it's many various peoples
@@barryobrien1890 bhagvati is another name of shakti (used throughout india ) and in uttarakhand the latu and many other deities is how they were perceived by our ancestors
@@PrakashNegi-kq7ks Exactly. Since in one branch of Hinduism there is only braman, all deities are expressions of the one. Local communities have their own interpretations. As in chapter 4 of the rg Veda. "There is only one, to the wise it is known by many names". Thanks for your input
@@barryobrien1890 So local name becomes a different deity. Bhagvati is as much Sanskrit word as Saraswati. Why would a local deity have Sanskritname?
One thing that I have heard commonly is that there are star positions mentioned in some of the shlokas and if we check with those dates, some of them position give dates that goes back to 30-50000 years.
I was hoping that you will shed light on that too as that is one of the main arguments given by people who believe that earlier shlokas from the vedas Vedas are at least 30-50 thousand years old.
How are they described?
I think some star positions can be repeated right? They can occur 30k years ago and also can occur 500 years ago.
Could you cite some verses please?
@@JB-jm6loThere is sanskrit sholka.
There are 100s of astronomical reference in Ramayana and Mahabharat.
And, we had a book on astronomy named Surya siddhanta which dated back to 12000 Bc.
This is the link - ua-cam.com/video/bQNhQ7wxOvA/v-deo.htmlsi=uSaFXJEudALC9yJo
@@rnilu86star positions can be repeated, but the matter is Time period. The earth precesses on its axis with a time period of sone 25000 odd years. So the same change will be visible in the position of the Pole star relative to earth
Very informative, thanks for giving this unbiased information about the great Vedas 😇❤🙏
Thank you for conducting unbiased research.
2:12 conveniently forgetting the taboo fifth, darth veda
There's nothing like darth veda lol
@@Amitraghaata i find your lack of faith disturbing 😆🤣
Lol you are so punny
Thank you I dislike how many people now cherry pick history and facts to further their theories and it's a slap in the face to true history.
Social media is designed to deliver information in “fun size” portions. Which makes it a perfect engine for exploiting people who are vulnerable to pseudohistory and pseudoscience. It’s really unfortunate.
There's always some uncertainties in proper history because everything from the past is not preserved.
This comes from people stealing Indian maths & science & claiming it as their own.. for eg. Algebra was not from middlle east.. they just gave it their own translations.. same with europeans directly stealing theorems & fromulas from Indian texts & making patents after patents on them.. & then concocting a lie called 'Aryan invasion theory' which is now being debunked via gene studies.
Thanks for the holistic arguments.
And thank you!
Great video bro❤
David, I just wanted to give you a heartfelt thank you for bringing the Rig Veda to my attention through your video. I found your commentary so interesting that I went ahead and purchased all 12 volumes on Amazon. The volumes are in Sanskrit with an English translation. I’m looking forward to reading them. Again, than you.
They're colonial era garbage translations. They s*ck. Even Western Sanskrit scholars have rejected and discarded them long ago.
If you're really interested in learning the knowledge of Vedas then the only way is to learn Hindi, Classical Sanskrit, Sanskrit Grammar and Rig Vedic Sanskrit. Yes, all this will be very time consuming but is the only way to learn the ancient Indian knowledge of the Vedas. Vedas and any Sanskrit text and work can never be translated in English. If done then the English reader will never be able to understand them. As the English language has its limits and is not as developed as Sanskrit language. English has its own limitations. Many such Indian language works have been translated in English and they're absolutely garbage. The very meaning of the words and sentences gets ruined in English. Resulting in inaccuracy, distorted meaning and textual BS. Thus, resulting in terribly wrong translations.
Noooooo, don't,stop.
Vedas are not just any book you go and buy and study, you need a vedic scholar or Brahmin . typical westerners.
@@dannystark7668we westerners don’t have a Brahmin or Vedic Scholar on standby as much as some of us wish we did.
@@user-vh8pn1uf9gyeah that's why I told him to stop cause then he will study mistranslated ones and say ,'ha its nothing special,just a book' while in reality I regard Vedas as the most important text humans have composed ever.
@@dannystark7668 yeah but then where do you start if one doesn’t have a Brahmin or Vedic scholar on standby?
Thanks you, I love your content, thanks from Japan🙏🌸
And thank you!
Nicely done.
I have had many questions about the dating of the Vedas and only got extreme answers like you have stated from reading books on the subject from both sides of the spectrum. The first time all my doubts have been cleared. Sir just thank you.
I left hinduism a long time ago. But that ironically made me far more interested in the Vedas, sanskrit texts and the sanskrit language in general. I'm really enjoying how amazing sanskrit and vedic culture is without having the pressure of having to believe that Hinduism is the greatest religion of all and everything written in the Vedas is true.
Thanks for this incredible video
The scriptures have some amazing knowledge and wisdom most likely. But people (esp believers cuz most of them have this blind faith ideology idk why) get so stuck up on irrelevant/controversial parts that it gets ignored.
Well in Sanatan Sanskriti there was no concept of Religion.
Religion started after Islamic Invasion.
Sanatan was based on questions, debates, psychology it was more of a scientific . Dharm means Duties.
Like in Mahabharata , even though Arjuna knew that Krishna is god , he refused to follow his order or war , he refused to kill pitamah , in Bhagwat geeta lord krishna is just answering arjuna questions and clearing his doubts.
Modern day hinduism hijacked Sanatan Dharm and defamed its value.
I do follow my Dharm but not religion ❤
But why you left Hinduism . Do we sanatan had any exit or entry process ?
Looks like some had created hate for sanantan and you close the door of your mind !
@@Naruto03108 True. Modern day hindutva seems to resemble most closely with the Iberian catholicism and it can be co-related most closely with the spanish inquisition.
@@daviddewford8862 what an wonderful loving reply !!! This is clearly not hate speech.
Great effort and thank you for this presentation.
Panini's Astadhyaya is a treatise for Indian linguistic scholars if not for the world, but when we are trying to date it, we should realize Panini had only compiled the existing knowledge during those times. The knowledge in it full form was matured and in use during his time.
As the whole argument in this video of Rigveda's time line is based on Saraswathi river itself, where is the scope of undermining the description itself as exaggeration, doesn't add up.
It is important to look Vedas beyond the mundane daily bread and butter requirements by praying to gods or deities. Mind you, before penning down, these are orally transmitted for several centuries. Why the priests with so much strict diet control, life style and rigorous postures learn these verses with an aim to pass it on? The meaning and use of words are entirely different in those times. Cows means energy such as potential, and horses mean kinetic energy and so on. These are nothing but invisible forces that drive the universe, human body etc.
Most of the words on these Hymns can be arranged differently and read such as Ghanapatha, which gives a whole different meaning or hidden meaning. Meaning Sanskrit language knowledge alone will not be sufficient to unlock Vedic secrets.
I wish someone will bring out the real intended meaning of Vedas by the end of kaliyuga.
How can we know what cows and horses were metaphors?
@@raiideas Start with "Secret of Vedas" by Dayananda Saraswathi to get a glimpse of it. Once should have a profound knowledge of the Universe and Human body working before transliterating the Vedas, else it will end up in trash can as Max's work.
@@paadipanta2607please explain how you can transpose "kinetic energy" and "potential energy" in place of horses and cows respectively.
Pretend Im a total and utter fool
Explain it to me like that.
@@daviddewford8862 In Hindu India, Shakthi is treated as Universal mother, and Shiva as universal energy. The Hindu thought always is the energy before creating universe is available in potential form, consider as Zero Point Energy field. This is also called Adwaitha, means there is no second, just energy in invisible form. It has no beginning or end but always there. With this kind of premise, the energy evolves into different forms. Cow is treated mother, and energy source. For the educating masses, the cow is expressed as energy source. Similarly, horse is the transformation of this energy into more active form, which is kinetic in nature. The ancient knowledge is same as what we know, but the words used are different. We are just reinventing what was already there or known to certain civilizations.
@@paadipanta2607 I thought Advaita Vedanta meant God is within me and my soul is the same parabrahman,not zero point energy field(By the way,what is a zero point energy field? Don't string some words together and think it's scientific.)
Coming back to your last statement,no,we are not reinventing everything that the ancients had already discovered. The scientific method doesn't work that way. Yes,we have built upon their knowledge,but that does not mean you'll blatantly discredit modern science.
Hey a question at 34:28 it mentioned a fort of iron but antiquity said iron was not mentioned in the rigveda can anyone clarify please?
See note under the video.
Thanks
Can you please share a link of english translation of Rigveda complete with all the 10 mandalas which I can refer or read ?
Don't
Somehow, I just found your channel. Outstanding, I know nothing on this topic you really provided an interesting baptism into Rig Veda content and a new topic to learn about, fascinating presentation I was cross referencing as you were talking. I’ve subscribed to your channel Professor and look forward to seeing some other work of yours. Thanks!
Thanks, and welcome!
This is the problem of thinking an answer is superior and then making historical assumptions to support it. Agenda driven not evidence driven. On a positive note, this type of bias was why I began looking into genuine archaeology, because the reality of history is always superior to agendas imposed on it. Thank you for providing some of that genuine information sir. ✌️💕🤘
You seem to comment on almost every video I watch from a wide range of subjects. You have good taste! You might remember me commenting and in the live chat from Lady Babylon Channel. My girlfriend and I use to watch it under my girlfriends account who’s name is Kirsten
@@user-vh8pn1uf9g nice! Good seeing you in message boards! Say hi to your lady for me. I’m all over UA-cam lol. Mostly archaeology & historical stuff, some gardening, cooking, charity & treasure hunting in the form of rocks & mudlarking 🤭
Aryan invasion is outdated nonsense with all die respect based on the nonsense of max mueller who thought the earth was 6000 years old and tried to got the Vedas into that timeline. He was a Christian fundamentalist and his bias is clear.
An example of a different interpretation of the common words shared by Tamil and Sanskrit is the refreshing 1979 observation of Franklin Southworth, a linguist from the University of Pennsylvania. According to his analysis: 'these two lists [Dravidian and Indo-Aryan] both seem to suggest a rather wide range of cultural contacts, and that they do not show the typical (or stereotypical) one-sided borrowing relationship expected in a colonial situation'. Southworth continued, 'No picture of technological, cultural or military dominance by either side emerges from an examination of these words'.
The word Aryan in Sanskrit originally meant “one who follows a civilization whose aim was self-realization.” The aryans whose language and religion was Sanskrit and the Vedas were the forefathers of the Indo-Europeans. There is no proof aryans invaded India. Never in the Vedas are an external homeland mentioned. The Vedas are originally said to date to 1500-2000 and the alleged invasion of aryans into India would have taken place about 500 years later. To say they would have forgotten their homeland is like saying modern Americans forgetting their European roots.
Modern indologists more or less arbitrarily date the Vedas to the mid-second millennium bc, a date given by the German preacher-turned Indologist Max Mueller, hired on behalf of The British Raj to discredit and mythologize vedic culture in order to turn Indians into “brown Englishmen” as they said, and to baptize them.
Europe and America (including England up to the time of its colonial and economic interests in India) had very favorable impressions of Vedic ideas and culture. Beethoven, who based music on the philosophical Upanishads, and others up to Bohr and Oppenheimer. Mueller’s date was completely speculative and without evidence, while modern archaeological findings using satellites have located historical sites along the now-disappeared Saraswati river basin, which is described as many miles wide in the Vedas. Geological studies applied to Vedic descriptions date the Vedas at least several millennia earlier. Indeed astronomical archaeology pushes the vedic culture into the remotest antiquity.
Amazingly explained.❤️
Could you talk about various Mesopotamian mentions of a place called Meluhha? I've heard the earlier mentions were referring to the Indus Valley.
Im fascinated by the Police box on your shelf. Is it at all linked to that of the Doctor?
My favorite TV show 🙂
What I thought about mighty Sarasvati-river, is that maybe there was some old memory buried in the Rig Veda, about the old days when it flowed perennially all the way, which gave birth to the goddess Sarasvati. I know it's a bit stretching, but it's a thought.
Yes. gave me the same understanding too. The flooding scene gives an idea of monsoon. And then, the seven sister acknowledging the might of saraswati, gives the idea of an ongoing tension between sisters, about who's the best. Which indicates, Saraswati is not that mighty all year long. But, from distance memory, they know, She was the best.
The Godavari in Andhra Pradesh is a powerful tiger and it is monsoon fed!
If a 5000 year old skeletons from Indian Subcontinent does not have no traces of 'Aryan gene', finds the DNA study by . Dr. Niraj Rai who is the Head of the Ancient DNA Lab at Birbal Sahni Institute of Palaeosciences, Lucknow Uttar Pradesh .
Than , How could they known a river that flows through Indian Subcontinent 10, 000 years ago ? If their was never a genetic or DNA traces of 'Aryan gene' in Indian Subcontinent even in 5000 years ago
@@mscreationworks5787there is nothing like aryan gene
@@Amitraghaata Bro , It has been proven by genetic Researchers that Indo European language speaking Steppe pastoralists who called themselves Arya migrated to Indian Subcontinent
Great work keep it up 👍