The "Fake" Zonai Tribe Origins SOLVED (Tears of the Kingdom Theory/Lore)

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  • The Zonai were talked about a TON up until the release of Tears of the Kingdom, in the end they didn't end up being the "warlike, barbaric" tribe that creating a champion/masterworks painted them out as, so who WAS the tribe we were all speculating on for 4 years? Today I answer that question as I believe I've solved who this "Fake" zonai tribe are in totk (tears of the kingdom)
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  • @TriforceTrends
    @TriforceTrends  6 місяців тому +9

    I’m hoping to lean more into theories in the future to try and help the community solve some of the darkest secrets of Zelda’s past… So let me know what you thought of this one and what you’d improve, make sure to leave a comment
    Thanks for watching ❤

  • @violetstag7934
    @violetstag7934 6 місяців тому +60

    This what I always thought when I first saw Sonia and Rauru together. The Zonai culture transcends one race and became a culture of two thus the human side of the culture would split off and continue on. Also love the idea of them making helmets to look like ganandorf as like a mocking of him.

    • @TriforceTrends
      @TriforceTrends  6 місяців тому +12

      Yeh, taunting the gerudo like that would’ve been viable and a pretty funny tactic in-lore honestly, definitely my new head canon

    • @alemirdikson
      @alemirdikson 6 місяців тому +3

      I like to believe that the Ganondorf-esque adornments to be evidence of the Zonai devotion to Demise, or some aspect thereof. Not depicting Ganondorf specifically, but Demise himself, and not in mockery, but worship and devotion.
      I like to think that the barbarians of Faron were members of another lost culture of the Zonai, one separate from the group which Rauru and Mineru hail.
      The connective tissue, in my mind anyhow, is the Ancient Hero's Aspect. He is clearly of Zonai descent, but is also clearly distinct from the other two Zonai we meet. The "fake" Zonai appear to be even further distinct. This leads me to believe there may have been three distinct Zonai cultures or tribes.
      Rauru and Mineru have an Owl motif going on, owls being symbolic of Wisdom, which Zelda wields. The Ancient Hero's Aspect, though his apparel lacks much imagery, he appears while riding a dragon to fight another dragon. Dragons being associated with Courage in Zonai culture, and which Link wields.
      If Zelda is descended from Rauru, Link may be descended from the Ancient Hero. Both have a connection to the Zonai, but each a distinct form of Zonai.
      So what of Ganondorf? What of these "fake" Zonai, who aren't the Zonai we know, and who seem to wear the imagery of Ganondorf? Whose armor invokes the appearance of a boar, and who adorn their helmets with tassels in the hairstyle of Ganondorf?
      I believe that these "fake" Zonai were a tribe of Zonai dedicated to Power, where Rauru and Mineru were dedicated to Wisdom, and the Ancient Hero to Courage.
      I don't think these Boar Zonai were enemies of the Gerudo, but instead being their ancient gods and progenitors, as the Zonai we know are to the Sheikah and the Hylians, Owl and Dragon respectively imo. I believe Denise may well have been a member of this Zonai Boar Tribe, and Ganondorf is his Human/Gerudo descendent, as Zelda is to Rauru of the Owls, and Link to the Ancient Hero of the Dragons.

    • @Chubby_Bub
      @Chubby_Bub 6 місяців тому +3

      Interestingly, that’s exactly what Ganondorf says in the Japanese version of the throne room scene. The English version kind of loses it. Translated:
      "The Zonai tribe long ago descended from the heavens. It is said they appeared just like gods. Now their descendant, His Majesty, has married the daughter of a Hyrulean family… What a world transcending the tribes His Majesty reigns over. Well done."

  • @rafaelmoura2103
    @rafaelmoura2103 6 місяців тому +16

    maybe the zonai werent supposed to be as deeply explored by the games, but the players became so fascinated with them that the zelda team elaborated further on their story, resulting in two types of zonai

  • @alemirdikson
    @alemirdikson 6 місяців тому +23

    My theory - mostly speculation I admit - is that, in a past far distant from the pre-story of Tears of the Kingdom, there were three tribes of Zonai, each one phenotypically, culturally, and magically distinct from one another.
    The Wise sages of the Owl Tribe (Rauru, Mineru) taller, big ears
    The Couragious heroes of the Dragon Tribe (Ancient Hero perhaps?) shorter, more pointed ears
    And the Powerful warriors of the Boar Tribe ("fake" Zonai barbarians perhaps) probably roughly Hylian proportions given their armor style
    Each of these spawned a "cult" as it were, prior to dying off.
    The Dragon Tribe's cult became the Hylians, and the Owl Tribe's cult became the Sheikah.
    I believe that the ancient Zonai ruins in Breath of the Wild are those of the Boar Tribe, and that their cult would become the Gerudo. I think it's possible, if not probable that Ganondorf's bloodline is descended from the Boar Tribe, as Zelda is from the Owl Tribe, and presumably Link from the Dragon Tribe.
    I'd also like to think that each tribe was entrusted with a piece of the Triforce, and that those were split apart into 10 Secret Stones, 3 of which were swallowed by representatives of each Tribe, becoming the Immortal Dragons.

    • @IMD918
      @IMD918 3 місяці тому +1

      I absolutely love this theory. The only thing i question is the zonai ruins belonging to the boar tribe. Those ruins make the shape of a dragon, and they house the spring of courage. So it would make sense to me that those ruins belonged to the dragon tribe. As I'm saying this it occurs to me that the thumbnail for the ancient hero's aspect is shown as a mask from all three tribes. That seems to suggest to me that the ancient hero was representing all three tribes at the same time. If he represented the tribes of the owl (wisdom), boar (power), and dragon (courage) at the same time, then he possessed the triforce.

  • @CaptBurgerson
    @CaptBurgerson 6 місяців тому +20

    YES. So here we have the “original” Zonai race, with Rauru and Mineru being the last of them, and those who were adopted into the way of the Zonai as a tribe of people, the barbarian tribe.
    Well done on this video dude

    • @TriforceTrends
      @TriforceTrends  6 місяців тому +1

      Thanks cap 🫡 , means a ton!
      Had to add some storytelling elements in there to keep people hooked but that’s definitely the extent of it, there’s some holes I think, but man I love the solution

    • @michaelolympus5994
      @michaelolympus5994 6 місяців тому

      If that's what really happened, the gap between Imprisoning Wars and the first emergence of Calamity Ganon must have been very, very wide... Like 20,000 years or so.

  • @peteranderson3796
    @peteranderson3796 6 місяців тому +24

    This is basically my thought process as well, the carving of a hylian wearing the charged set, them modifying Typhlo ruins and other things clinched it. The Hylians essentially inherited the remnants of Zonai civilization, they were the "Zonai" after a fashion.

    • @TriforceTrends
      @TriforceTrends  6 місяців тому +6

      Exactly, they never disappeared, they just reformed into the hylians

    • @michaelolympus5994
      @michaelolympus5994 6 місяців тому +1

      Hylians were younger than the Zonai?

  • @josephasbury4492
    @josephasbury4492 6 місяців тому +10

    Ganondorf comments that he finds it strange that none of the Sages have info imparted to them by their Secret Stones. It seems strange that he would mention this, unless his Secret Stone allows him this power. We see him awaken immediately after Zelda's Time Stone activates, which introduces the possibility to me of this: Ganondorf, by tapping into the power of his Secret Stone, unknowingly "recalls" what he is actually a revisioned version of the past.
    Rauru's Castle in both BOTW and TOTK is no longer around. By using the memories to place its position atop the area where the Chamber of Resurrection was, we see that even Zonai architecture can naturally weather away. Given this, it's more than possible that both the Geoglyphs now being "carved" by the ancient Hylians and the fact that the Sky Islands weren't around in BOTW point to the fact that Zelda did to some degree alter the past. In the Hebra Labyrinth, we can even see comments made by a Survey Team member that they don't recall the mural in front of the maze having been there before. While the implications that TOTK is a "bootstrap" paradox seem obvious (hence the carvings before the Sealing Chamber), its also plausible that the blocked murals had in fact displayed different events. This would also explain why previous sites for Shiekah Towers now seem untouched (due to having been built in different locations) and why the Skyview Towers weren't in the background when the Castle was rising; the timeline has been slightly altered. Knowing how Recall works, this doesn't even mean that the timeline has been split; it's just been written over. Zelda knowing that Calamity Ganon can sieze Ancient technology means that she would have been able to warn Mineru of this, whom would have recommended a "self-destruct" protocol once the Purification Unit sensed a loss in power from Ganondorf.
    We know that Vah Rutah loses power after the Castle's seal had been eroded by Calamity Ganon; perhaps this is the "canon" reason why there's hardly any Shiekah tech left.

  • @Pebphiz
    @Pebphiz 6 місяців тому +4

    I was SO hyped about the Zonai tribe being in TotK, but then they just... weren't in the game. We see two of them and they're both dead. What a letdown. Like, imagine, if Minish Cap didn't actually have the Minish in it. Plus, aside from Rauru shooting a laser out of his head that one time, they're portrayed as peaceful tinkerers rather than the badass warlocks hinted at in BotW.

  • @theloruleanhistorian
    @theloruleanhistorian 6 місяців тому +6

    The Hylians' “Zonai Civilization Renaissance”, if you will. Zonai persistence as a culture, rather than its race.

    • @TriforceTrends
      @TriforceTrends  6 місяців тому +4

      Absolutely agree, it continues to thrive even after “extinction”

  • @goose_president5504
    @goose_president5504 6 місяців тому +4

    It's actually funny to think we thought the zonai for a barbarian war mongering tribe but it turns out they were so technologically advanced they were even above the sheikah and they were revered as gods

    • @TriforceTrends
      @TriforceTrends  6 місяців тому +1

      LMAO yeh ikr the novelty of that still hasn’t worn off on me

  • @vianabdullah2837
    @vianabdullah2837 6 місяців тому +8

    I wished there was a side quest to explore the origins of the fake Zonai, Tauro could've been our companion in it.

    • @TriforceTrends
      @TriforceTrends  6 місяців тому +3

      He would’ve gone crazy to learn about them

  • @wizcatcheslightning
    @wizcatcheslightning 6 місяців тому +8

    This isn’t something I really thought about but I think you nailed it! There’s also all of the Zonai structures in Faron where the Hyrulean ceramics cover their original Zonai structures and act like veneers.

    • @TriforceTrends
      @TriforceTrends  6 місяців тому +3

      Exactly, I think stuff like that symbolises the Hylian X Zonai combo! I’m sure there are a few holes but which mysteries in TotK don’t have holes haha

  • @nworder4life
    @nworder4life 6 місяців тому +9

    Without even watching the video: Fake Zonai, the humans who served King Rauru. They made the Typhlo ruins and deitified the Zonai in the form of statues and clans.

  • @Moon-Vixen
    @Moon-Vixen 6 місяців тому +2

    a suggestion, if I may: there's one set of Zonai ruins present in botw that we can find in totk, that shows the real Zonai stonework was covered up with the stonework we were familiar with in botw. this to me indicates that this was done intentionally, to hide the traces of real Zonai work. gone was the sleek and shiny white stone, indicating an intelligent and elegant culture, instead replaced with jagged and rough dark and dirty stonework, making for a more primitive vibe, to go alongside aggressive warrior armor. as well, the original temple of time was raised into the sky and the original castle dismantled, the history buried, and a new one built in its place.
    my theory is, Rauru and Sonia's plan for their future was their child, a child that has to exist for Zelda to have a blood connection to both of them, and that child became King/Queen after their deaths, and it was someone (the child, Rauru before his death, or Zelda/Mineru and the sages when they decided to send the temple into the sky) that in order to keep things safe and ready in who knows how many years until Link had need of them, to erase Zonai from the world as much as they could.
    so, they gave Mineru's books to what would become (or already was) the Sheikah who continued to serve the royal family, who's texts would become what Impa consults throughout totk, buried anything they could to protect the truth, and anything they couldn't dismantle or outright needed to be there for Link was then altered to look dangerous, primitive, and war-like to deter people from looking and messing with things too soon. you'd go hunting if you thought you were on the trail of a brilliant and technologically advanced lost civilization, but only the nerdiest of nerds (ie, someone like Zelda) would want to poke around ancient ruins to explore lost history. so they made sure to hide absolutely everything a treasure hunter would want, while leaving a bunch of red herrings for the nerds to occupy themselves with, so the real treasure and their purpose would stay hidden until they were needed.
    as well, I'll bet many of the old armors having clothes that magically fit Link is due to Zelda knowing his measurements (she did have clothing made for him after all) and informing the people of the past before she draconified so that they could make armor for him. including the warrior armor said to be "for the Zonai". it would both give a finder the belief that the Zonai were normal Hylians, and if that finder was Link/knew of Link (like the Sheikah) it would eventually be found and worn by the awaited hero it was actually made for.
    here then, is where I also start to wonder what involvement the strange race found in the depths get involved. clearly Rauru and Mineru had access to the depths, as did the ancient Gorons (well, all of them really but especially the Gorons). whatever that race was was likely known to them, and could be the ones who kept things going, placing armor sets in special places underground until they eventually died out too. that has a lot less evidence for unfortunately, but it makes sense, at least to me.

  • @Funknwanker
    @Funknwanker 6 місяців тому +2

    I want a Zelda game where the three timelines merge. Where each timeline has a different look to it. One that has the realism of twilight princess, one with the cartoony look of Wind Waker and the third with the old school top down aesthetic. Make it like 4 games in one. Each of the three timelines can be switched between and then once they merge then it goes to the BotW/TotK aesthetics.

  • @takatacheroki2624
    @takatacheroki2624 6 місяців тому +4

    I guess the only big question left is with regards to the first prince/princess of Hyrule. We know Zelda is descended from both Rauru *and* Sonia, but we never see any hints or mentions of the child/children who would *have* to exist for Zelda to exist. Sure, you could argue that they were away or whatever, but there's literally no mention of them anywhere at all, which raises questions no matter how you look at it.

    • @TriforceTrends
      @TriforceTrends  6 місяців тому +6

      It definitely does, that’s a topic I haven’t started looking into yet but it’s gonna be one I look into in the next month for sure

  • @daniel8181
    @daniel8181 2 місяці тому +1

    "zelda's lore has always been an afterthought"
    You are an incredibly brave man, TT, speaking truth the fanatics. I'm going to sub for this breath of fresh air.

  • @saber7534
    @saber7534 6 місяців тому +5

    Fakenai time i suppose. I dont think theres much interesting to discuss about the hylians who took after the zonai, they likely just gradually became the Hylians of today, but their ruins are still worth looking at. If the lomei labyrinths are zonai (which honestly I doubt they aren't), that implies that ancient hylians could traverse the sky at one point, which raises the question of when did these things actually disappear? The fakenai being heavily into lightning is also a important thing, given lightning is mostly associated with emotions such as anger, but there isnt a whole lot we can say about that.
    The fakenai still have some interesting topics but at this point I think the topic is definitely low priority for a lot of people, given theres not much really to say. Unless we delve into the ancient hero, I'm not delving into that rabbit hole in a comment this long already.

    • @TriforceTrends
      @TriforceTrends  6 місяців тому +2

      The ancient hero would make things scarily complicated to talk about and so incredibly long LMAO I get that

  • @Chubby_Bub
    @Chubby_Bub 6 місяців тому +2

    This seems confirmed to _some_ degree in the Thyphlo Ruins side quest, where you find out it was built by the Hylians as a memorial of the Imprisoning War. I figured they'd be the Hylian citizens like those guarding Rauru. We don't see much of Rauru's kingdom but they definitely had a distinct culture. Something worth noting is that in the internal files, each character has a "race" defined, and Sonia's is not "Hylian" but "Ancient Hylian".
    I think the façades on the Faron ruins that are now coming off also demonstrate this. Presumably later historians just knew there was _some_ connection to the actual Zonai and called them that. Though, the Lomei Labyrinths, even in the sky and depths, are the "BotW Zonai" style yet seem to be tied to the "TotK Zonai"… the labyrinths are definitely meant to be even more of a mystery.
    Also, small note, Zonai doesn’t _mean_ "mystery" in Japanese, it's that the Japanese name "Zonau" (ゾナウ) is a pun on "nazo" (謎) which itself means "mystery". At that point it was just the name of a location so the localization team changed it basically because they could. Another fun fact: It doesn’t make a difference in Japanese or English, but some other languages had to slightly change the name of the "Zonai Ruins" location between games because BotW's name didn't reflect it being the name of a group of people (i.e. an adjective), just a place name (i.e. a noun)- the localizers presumably had no reason to know about the developers' concept of there being a people called the Zonau.

  • @p.budiel1170
    @p.budiel1170 6 місяців тому +4

    Some quick theories i just made:
    - Zonai are supposed to look like new world camelids like llamas or more specific vicuñas.
    - TOTK flashbacks are meant to be places at the very end of the fallen hero timeline, only there we see an already crumbling kingdom.
    - TOTK is meant to be the final story of that "timeline", and the next storywill take place in another Hyrule

  • @HyruleGamer
    @HyruleGamer 6 місяців тому +2

    My man Triforce Trends was cooking, and he COOKED with this one! Excellent video

    • @TriforceTrends
      @TriforceTrends  6 місяців тому

      Ima let you cook til tomorrow but I know you’re cooking too 🧑‍🍳

  • @PenneySounds
    @PenneySounds 6 місяців тому +2

    What's hilarious to me is absolutely nothing in BOTW suggested a link between the Barbarian set and the Zonai.

    • @TriforceTrends
      @TriforceTrends  6 місяців тому +5

      For sure
      But which other “warlike tribe” was the barbarian set referring to? Since we don’t have any links to any other previous tribes, we have to go with our guts and just say it’s something to do with the Zonai, especially down to the insane amount of links that both cultures have

  • @railfanningpoints2.045
    @railfanningpoints2.045 2 місяці тому +1

    We simply don't know. The barbarian armor set could have been from ancient Hylians pre Rauru's kingdom. From time even before or during the time Zonai had descended to the land. It makes sense. The ancient Hylians were warlike. Ganondorf him remarks how before the Zonai descended, the various races weren't peaceniks it was an era when the strongest warriors ruled and battled.

  • @rafa_16w34
    @rafa_16w34 4 місяці тому +1

    I think the rest of the Gerudo people, who followed Ganondorf before his arrest, didn't fight a battle against the "fake Zonai tribe", I think the Gerudo maybe had a Civil War, between people who like Ganon and people who don't. , and these rebels are led by the sage of the Storm. She mentioned when she was talking to Zelda that the Gerudo people feel guilt over Ganon's destruction. So I think the Gerudo no longer had a connection to Ganon, but rather to the Sage's leadership.

  • @joquieshajones5243
    @joquieshajones5243 6 місяців тому +2

    When I first saw those hyleans guarding the zonai, I thought whether or not they built the zonai ruins, and since i did the typhlo quest before the tears, it really seemed like they as you said, "took off the owl," and went to the most secluded part of hyrule to train and lement/honor the zonai.

  • @Chris-gx1ei
    @Chris-gx1ei 6 місяців тому +4

    I think the Anchient Hero's Aspect came to be Because we thought the Barbarians were the Zonai and so we assumed the Anchient Hero to be a Barbarian and called him Zonai Link, Nintendo who had already a more clear concept about the Zonai in their heads seemed to like our Theories of a Zonai Link but the thing is in our Heada the Zonai werent furries and ao they gave us a furry Link instead of a Barbarian Link

  • @TheZeldaScrolls
    @TheZeldaScrolls 6 місяців тому +2

    Definitely nailed it, I've been wondering about the "Barbarian armour" and how this tribe fit into what we know about the Zonai now!

    • @TriforceTrends
      @TriforceTrends  6 місяців тому +3

      The barbarian armour is really strange, always has been but I think this is at least a TINY bit closer to the truth

    • @TheZeldaScrolls
      @TheZeldaScrolls 6 місяців тому +3

      @@TriforceTrends 100%! This makes a lot of sense to me. The idea of the Hylians splitting into different tribes based upon what part of Zonai culture they identify with the most is similar to a theory I've been working on regarding the origins of the Sheikah and why they've always been so entwined with the Royal Family. 😏

  • @daniel8181
    @daniel8181 2 місяці тому +1

    correction:
    "for years, this is the only thing we assumed about the zonai"
    the theory crafters made wild assumptions the devs didnt share, and now half of the zeldatubers cant stop talking about how much they hate zelda because the zonai were "supposed" to be barbarians. Remember that the hylians were "barbarians" until the zonai came, people got the order of events backwards and it made them mad for some reason.

  • @uidtoficial6086
    @uidtoficial6086 6 місяців тому +1

    Awesome theory and cool video... keep the hard work.
    Greetings from El Salvador.

  • @danielmcelroy4505
    @danielmcelroy4505 6 місяців тому

    Brilliant speculation and artwork

  • @1800mexicano
    @1800mexicano 5 місяців тому

    i never once thought the barbarian armor was made for OR by the zonai, and ive been saying it for years. then we started seeing rauru in trailers and my first thought was "Thats a zonai isnt it" and that confirmed the armor wasnt for the zonai to me

  • @Slime7_
    @Slime7_ 6 місяців тому +1

    you can actually see the newer zoni architecture inside the older kind you can kind at the zonai ruins im pretty sure

  • @lydiegpe
    @lydiegpe Місяць тому

    Im a bit confused because even before TotK was announced I remember either from a theory video or my own BotW game I read in the Barbarian Armor pieces description somewhere u could read the word "zonai" but i could be wrong and just imagined it like some kind of mandela effect

  • @shark_girl
    @shark_girl 6 місяців тому

    I am SO glad i'm not the only one wondering about this..
    THANK YOU

    • @TriforceTrends
      @TriforceTrends  6 місяців тому

      It’s ok! Haha, stick around for more theories… someday, hopefully! Lol

  • @FieryRed_BE
    @FieryRed_BE 4 місяці тому +1

    i see similarities between the barbarian armor and the zonai armor

  • @minecrafter3448
    @minecrafter3448 6 місяців тому +1

    The answer lies in the ancient hero. He looks like a zonai, but is absolutely not a zonai. He has a tail and red hair, distinctly non zonai traits. This means he isn’t a descendant, so how does he show up 10k years ago, well after all of the zonai died? It’s because he’s a completely different species. Here’s the timeline with this taken into account.
    The zonai die out, and become legend. This new species shows up, emerging from the Faron region and establishing themselves as a warrior tribe. Then as the calamity shows up, they choose a warrior to be the hero, becoming the ancient hero. These fake zonai then go on to impersonate them entirely, building over the ancient real zonai architecture with their own, and working with the sheikah to insert themselves into real zonai mazes. With how similar this species is to zonai and how they literally impersonate them, their identities become fused and confused. So the result is in the present day a zonai tribe that is based heavily in war and combat, not very technologically advanced. Then we go to the past and see a peaceful, prosperous, and technologically advanced zonai.

  • @wordedhalo6746
    @wordedhalo6746 6 місяців тому +1

    Haven’t we seen a Hylian group backing the zonai in the memory? I don’t see why Hylian’s couldn’t be a part of the tribe

    • @TriforceTrends
      @TriforceTrends  6 місяців тому

      They’re the guards, Sonia’s a Hylian from the lands in the story, so I’m fairly certain the guards are just people who were around Sonia before she was with Rauru

  • @nickmarshall6895
    @nickmarshall6895 6 місяців тому +1

    'barbarian' means uncivilised, so maybe the Faron tribe resisted the Zonai's civilisation as the Goths, Saxons etc resisted the Roman's civilisation. The Zonai might just have wiped them out because they wouldn't assimilate

    • @TriforceTrends
      @TriforceTrends  6 місяців тому +1

      Didn’t really look at the opening theory from a “real life” history perspective but this is a really interesting way to look at it, I like it

  • @Flynnisthename
    @Flynnisthename 3 дні тому

    I’m pretty sure the “hylians” ARE zonai. The zonai extinction makes most sense if it came from interbreeding, just like our own ancestors, the Neanderthals.

  • @erik3371
    @erik3371 6 місяців тому +1

    Ancient hero could wear the barbarian set if the ancient aspect is supposed to be correct I guess?

    • @TriforceTrends
      @TriforceTrends  6 місяців тому +2

      Technically the ancient hero could wear it yeh, it depends on a ton of factors though since the ancient hero is still SUCH a mystery even after 2 games in the same world
      Honestly I’m sad that it wasn’t one of the mysteries that ended up being cleared up a LOT more than it is already

  • @Sarah_H
    @Sarah_H 6 місяців тому +2

    My theory has been that BOTH the ancient Sheikah and the Barbarians were an offshoot of the Hylians that served under Rauru. Someone OTHER THAN the Zonai had to have built Hyrule Castle and the catacombs that lead down into the Imprisoning Chamber after the Imprisoning War, and those ruins are in the same style of the chamber holding the Secret Stones, which was definitely built during Rauru's time, presumably by the people serving under him (they're also in the same style as the map of the geoglyphs in the Forgotten Temple, which was built AFTER all the Zonai had disappeared, and it's stated by Impa that the people who created the geoglyphs were "more in tune with" mystical things like visions). The Hylians of Rauru's kingdom also would have firsthand experience and knowledge of all the Zonai technology, and with the sky islands and all the rest of the Zonai technology becoming inaccessible with the creation of a sky barrier/the sealing of the Depths, the ancient Hylians could have worked to reverse-engineer whatever Zonai technology they still had access to to get the technology that would become the Guardians, the Divine Beasts, the Sheikah Towers, and the Sheikah shrines (Zonai hydrant = Ruta's ability to create an endless supply of water, Zonai hover stones/propellers = Medoh's ability to fly, Zonai beam emitter = Guardian and Divine Beast lasers, and Mineru probably extensively studied and documented the Purah Pad before it was sent up with the original Temple of Time, so there would be records of it in her library that the ancient Hylians could've used in the creation of the Sheikah Slate)
    This sect of Hylians would fall under the Owl/Wisdom doctrine, and were probably the ones who established some kind of order after Rauru's "death". But there was probably the sect of Hylians who wanted revenge against Ganondorf/the Gerudo who morphed into the warlike Barbarian tribe of the Faron region, so we get TWO clan splits in Hyrule's history; first the Zonai split, where one side wanted to embrace the Zonai's technology and peaceful ways and the other side wanted to wage war in the name of their fallen king, becoming the ancient Sheikah and the Barbarians of Faron, then the Sheikah/Yiga split that happened later. They built the Zonai Ruins of Faron right over the remaining Zonai architecture of that region, and built a giant dragon over the Spring of Courage because they ascribed to the Dragon/Courage doctrine. That'd explain why we find the Barbarian set *and* a Sheikah shrine in the labyrinths of BotW; they were both once the same tribe (but would NOT explain how the labyrinths of the sky and the Depths share the same architectural style as the Lomei labyrinths/Faron Zonai Ruins on the surface, unless the sky barrier was created and the Depths sealed MUCH later, after those four labyrinths were built) (were the "Barbarians" called the Lomei tribe?)

    • @TriforceTrends
      @TriforceTrends  6 місяців тому +2

      Gonna give the longer comments a read later on, I’ll get back to you soon! Haha

  • @TheBitishDragon
    @TheBitishDragon 5 місяців тому

    its very possible that the Luralin/Faron Zonai was lead by Rauru and Sonia's child/children as we know that the fact of Botw's Zelda's birth has a direct blood link to both old monarchs as stated by the first memory in the past era,

  • @deczone1
    @deczone1 6 місяців тому

    I just saw quote post of this vide on Twitter and now it appeared on the UA-cam recommendations without even looking for it.
    Sometimes the algorithm scares me

    • @TriforceTrends
      @TriforceTrends  6 місяців тому +1

      Phones and algorithms can be seriously scary, specially with smaller channel videos
      Seriously just saying the word “toothpaste” will probably get me a ton of toothpaste ads when I wake up in the morning

  • @maksimilijan5029
    @maksimilijan5029 6 місяців тому

    my guess is that the 'barbarian zonai' the now human royal family and its followers, covered up the real zonai to protect the sacred realm or something else. something like that.

  • @Saberfighterx
    @Saberfighterx 6 місяців тому

    I always thought that the ancient hero was just wearing the barbarian armor and that explained his red hair and somewhat animalistic appearance and how the sheikah monks had possession of it in botw but unfortunately my theory was debunked in totk with the ancient hero aspect

  • @v1de0gamr23
    @v1de0gamr23 5 місяців тому

    Am I the only one who thinks that the barbarian helm looks like a Lynel skull?

  • @e.4616
    @e.4616 6 місяців тому

    no theory about they are the follower of ganondorf lineage? the skull head piece can symbolize the boar and the they are the warlike tribe and maybe they are worship the strength or 'power' onto their tribe same as ganondorf rule the gerudo or maybe another ganon before the time of rauru. the time before zonai goes extinct when we see the ancient hero in the mural. maybe?

    • @TriforceTrends
      @TriforceTrends  6 місяців тому

      Personally I don’t buy it since even Ganondorf himself wouldn’t know about his boar form until he first used it 10,000 years ago or whenever it was but idk
      That being said I never count out any theories unless they’re WAY off base

  • @itzriotplayz2377
    @itzriotplayz2377 6 місяців тому

    I wonder what name of the warlike barbarian tribe race was called?

    • @TriforceTrends
      @TriforceTrends  6 місяців тому +2

      Honestly that part is still a mystery to me
      The Zonai was the peaceful side, hence why they’re still referenced at lurelin to this day… I mean if I was to name them I would probably just go ahead with “barbarians” since there aren’t any tribes with the name in the series

    • @itzriotplayz2377
      @itzriotplayz2377 6 місяців тому

      @@TriforceTrends i also would like to learn more about the barbarian tribe if DLC happened.

  • @MrRadishification
    @MrRadishification 6 місяців тому +1

    Good video. That's a like a subscribe from me.

  • @chrislevack405
    @chrislevack405 6 місяців тому

    Woah... no cave bois reference?!?!

    • @TriforceTrends
      @TriforceTrends  6 місяців тому +1

      I WAS GONNA DO ONE I JUST FORGOT IM SORRY

    • @chrislevack405
      @chrislevack405 6 місяців тому

      @@TriforceTrends hahaha all good ❤️

  • @NayruYT
    @NayruYT 6 місяців тому +1

    comment for algo juice, will watch tonight!

  • @judaiyuki5597
    @judaiyuki5597 6 місяців тому

    what happened to jared whedon 👀

    • @TriforceTrends
      @TriforceTrends  6 місяців тому +1

      We’re still on good grounds!! Haha, probably just stopped watching Zelda content which is very fair

    • @judaiyuki5597
      @judaiyuki5597 6 місяців тому

      i got so used to you saying sum gi and jared wheadon that when you said that other name i was wait a minute somethings not right here 😂@@TriforceTrends

    • @TriforceTrends
      @TriforceTrends  6 місяців тому +1

      LMAO even I did, I mess it up sometimes

  • @mattdekker5693
    @mattdekker5693 6 місяців тому

    oh jesus christ. You know full well Nintendo completely retconned whatever ideas they had of zonai in botw, just stop.

    • @TriforceTrends
      @TriforceTrends  6 місяців тому +1

      No. I want to theorise, just because you don’t think there’s a point to, I’m not gonna stop
      You think anything before this was EVER planned? GOD NO, as a community we’ve always put the pieces together and stitched them together so they work. The FnaF community is the biggest lore community on UA-cam and it’s BECAUSE those games have facts that are retconned constantly. It makes theorising FUN
      There is 7-8 mins worth of evidence here, so why dismiss all of it because it was changed in the process? There’s absolutely no reason to.

  • @Deltabolster
    @Deltabolster 3 місяці тому

    "i wont be tolerating the lore doesnt account for this" okay if the lore is not important then this video has lost all interest to me

    • @TriforceTrends
      @TriforceTrends  3 місяці тому +1

      I didn’t say that, that was me directly quoting people who are trying to say that the lore doesn’t account for ANYTHING in tears of the kingdom which is untrue and a sentiment being thrown around the community

    • @Deltabolster
      @Deltabolster 3 місяці тому

      @@TriforceTrends I'm sorry for misunderstanding. The Lore is probably at least 50% of what I like about the series and I kinda got out of the community sometime after brow came out as I'm not a fan of open world games and I got tired of the zonai theories

    • @TriforceTrends
      @TriforceTrends  3 місяці тому

      Haha I get it dw, misunderstandings happen a lot online it’s all good
      Yeh I wanna tone back Zonai theories now