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- Опубліковано 15 лип 2024
- Hi, welcome to Electric Car Australia the Aussie EV & Sustainable living UA-cam Channel. My names Greg and today I'm talking to a Arran, a local electrician who specialises in EV Charging. For over 25 years ReGen EV Charger Install have been providing EV drivers with advice and installation of home EV chargers and commercial operators the most fit for purpose EV charging solutions for their Customers.
Today I ask Arran the most common questions I get related to home charging and some of his answers might surprise you. I hadn't thought of some so I hope you also learn things you didn't know about home EV charging. Enjoy.
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00:00 Intro
00:58 The REGEN EV work vehicle, Nissan Leaf and Tesla X owner
01:48 Qualifications required to install EV Chargers
04:00 Home or commercial installs? What’s the most common lEV Charger install?
05:20 Basic features and benefits of different EV charger types
05:35 What is a ‘dumb’ EV charger?
06:09 Benefits of a ‘smart’ solar aware home EV charger
07:00 Comparing a portable ‘granny’ EV charger with a level 2 home charger
07:30 Comments on the Smappee high end, connected home, smart EV charger
08:25 Comments on the Zappi ‘smart’ EV home charger
08:55 Considerations when choosing a home EV charger in the Hot Australian climate
09:30 EV Charger limitations in hot climates like Australian summers
10:00 EV home charger maintenance, wear and tear considerations
11:00 EV charger maintenance in commercial applications
12:09 Our interest in the Fronius Wattpilot go level 2 portable smart EV charger
12:22 Prices of most popular, quality EV home chargers in Australia
12:50 Tesla Gen 3 wall connector - Australia’s cheapest universal level 2 home EV charger
13:25 What about cheap online EV home chargers from Ebay or AliExpress?
14:00 Zappi and Ocular - good mid-priced home EV chargers
14:30 What’s the difference between a smart and dumb ev charger?
15:46 ZJ Beny EV charger - the new load balancing EV charger in single or 3 phase
16:30 Considerations for commercial EV charger installs
16:50 Top 3 most popular EV charger models and installs
16:59 Tesla Gen 3 wall socket EV charger
17:10 Three phase wall socket option for EV charging
17:40 Ocular level 2 EV charger
18:00 Flexibility advantages with 3 phase socket install for home portable EV charging
18:30 Future video on Electric Car Australia’s experience with Fronius 3 phase portable smart charger
19:20 Considerations and safety caution - buying cheap online EV chargers
20:00 Be aware of Australian and European CE Standards with cheap home EV chargers online
21:05 Home insurance and EV charger considerations
21:18 Do you have to buy an EV charger from your EV dealer
22:36 Are dealer branded charger like Porsche, BMW or Mercedes better quality
23:05 Home chargers are not actually EV chargers, charger is in vehicle
23:15 What is electric vehicle supply equipment (EVSE)
23:50 Consider for EV charging when you’re building a new home or house
24:20 Advantages of 3 phase electricity for EV charging in a new build
25:00 Options for EV charging with single phase when building a house
25:40 Do you always need maximum, fastest EV charger
25:55 Future proofing your new build home for later installing EV charging
26:20 Considerations when retro filling older homes with EV home chargers
27:00 Considerations when upgrading switchboards and mains supply
27:35 Best switchboard locations for cheapest EV charger install
29:25 What are different levels of install prices for EV home charging
31:31 EV charger install demand - how long to wait for charger install
33:12 What is cheapest Price for basic, simple EV home charger install in Australia
33:40 How much extra does a three phase home EV charger install cost in Australia
34:55 What if I cant install and EV charger at my house
35:25 Public EV charging from street light and lamp posts - a great idea
36:40 What if you live in a unit block and want EV charging
37:40 What are the most common questions about installing EV home chargers
39:08 Is it worth spending the extra money for a fancy, smart home EV charger?
40:15 Closing - thanks to Arran from ReGen EV Charging Install for interview on EV level 2 home charging. - Авто та транспорт
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If you're building new, ensure you have a dedicated 32A outlet in the garage. Wherever the main board is. Much better to do at build stage.
Thanks Greg, very useful video you have (including the pop up brand/info). Well done mate!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you so much for the information guys. I am researching for home EV system. I get educated from this channel. So I am new subbie to your channel. cheers!
Thanks for watching and the sub. 👍
Very informative, thankyou Greg.
Glad you enjoyed it
Thanks Greg for an informative video, great listening to Arron's views.
Thanks Suzanne, appreciate the feedback.
Great job guys.
Thanks.
Great video - thanks Greg & Aaron. We have a Zappi gen 2, 7kwh charger - we have solar and a Powerwall 2. The Zappi combines with this so well. We can charge our Kia Niro either from solar excess, solar / Powerwall , or a combination of both & / or grid supply. Settings by either charger direct or App. Love it. Here in the Blue Mountains - I don't think we'll ever hit the 46 deg mark.
Love your channel Greg.
Thanks for watching. I'm glad you enjoyed it and keep that solar charging going :)
Very informative!
Glad you liked it
Arran seems like a good egg. He is doing an install for me in a couple of days. 3 phase Tesla evse
Thanks Greg. Very useful discussion. I’m looking to install a single phase that can do solar only.
Thanks for the feedback Liz. Great idea to have a solar smart charger installed and we have some good models available in Australia. Checkout the Zappi, Smappi and also the Fronius Wattpilot (I have some videos on this one). All good quality chargers with various different features.
Interesting video. 🌞
Thank you!
I had a zappi installed at my house in July ready for my 2022 MG ZS EV delivery in August, now the zappi will be sitting idle until late October, after the latest delivery estimate from my MG dealer here in Adelaide. in the mean time the Myenergi app is great for showing solar, grid, house usage/export.
Hi Graham, yes the ongoing delays with vehicle deliveries is frustrating but at least your ready and waiting with that charger. The Zappi and the Myenergi app are really taking off in Australia and I can see why as they are easy to use, optimise that solar generation and provide lots of interesting information. Lets just hope they can cope with those odd extremely hot days.
Thanks for watching and the comments.
I'm in the UK and have a Zappi, an Eddi (water heater) and my energy supplier has a tariff which allows them to control the car charging.
I plug the car in and tell them how much charge I want and by when, and I get it charged at off peak rate, meaning of can export more of my solar at double the off peak import rate.
Great kit. Great customer support.
I should also add that i have 10+kW of PV and 10+kWh of battery with a 5kW inverter. A 100amp household fuse and a Skoda Enyaq. (In October, the second fastest selling EV in Europe)
Don't forget that a 7.5 kW "charger" plus 5kW battery inverter plus electric oven plus aircon will have dragging out a lot of amps.
Thanks for watching and the super interesting comment. You are all over this sustainable living thing :) Hope you have a great upcoming end of year holiday. Cheers Greg.
I was hoping this would discuss say Tesla UMC 32 A adaptor set ups with say 3 or 5 pin outlets. Smart tech is getting so good there are apps that can utilise Tesla computer to manage amp flow throughout the day.
The 15 amp socket is underrated. Very good for soaking excess solar.
Totally agree!
I have never had my zappi ramp down with heat and I am in Queensland. Admittedly it is installed inside our garage. It is a 22kw 3 phase zappi.
Great to hear! Keeping chargers (all electronics for that matter) out of direct sunlight is a big help so a garage with airflow is perfect :)
Great video - could you do a video on electricity plans for EV owners, with solar panels, batteries etc?
Hi Phil and thanks for the comment. Great idea for a video, I just need to find the time, but stay tuned as I will try to fit one in. :)
I have a 45 amp grid fuse ( $20k ) upgrade, but I have solar, battery so I draw say 7 kws and 2kws come from the grid. I just adjust the chargers output. I used to have a zappi V1 but it died before it's time and have ordered an ocular.
Hi Mark, thanks for watching and the comment. Great idea to control your consumption via the charger to ensure you stay within your fuse limits. I'm currently testing the Fronius Wattpilot Go and doing exactly that. Video out soon.
Great interview. Has Arren installed a Fronius Wattpilot? I live in Mackay and curious to know if it would cope with the weather conditions up here.
Hi Michael, no not as yet. The Wattpilot hadn't been released in Australia yet however I am in touch with Fronius and will be able to provide more info towards year end. Video to come so stay tuned. Cheers.
I recently moved house and looking at a solar system for home supply only at this point as I charge my model 3 free of charge at fast chargers near me. I have not had to charge at home for over a month now since I discovered I could do this. I am in SA so we have Jolt charging stations here and one is two minutes away from me at 50kw charge speed so I put the 7kwhs that that allow for free (before charges apply) and that gives me about 50 kilometers of range. I do less than 50 kilometers most days. It takes about 10 minutes to get that charge and it’s free. If I ever run the battery a lot lower, there is a fast charge Chargefox 15 mins away that gives one hour free charging. I assume that would give me about 250 kilometres of range but have not needed it as yet. I do this charging while I am out doing other things so I make sure I am not wasting my day running around just to charge the car. I guess the free stuff will stop one day but while it is here, I won’t be needing to use superchargers or charge at home.
Thanks for watching and the comment Gavin. Great to see the free charging options working for you.
Thanks both for the overview. Very interesting conversation.
Are there any EVSE's available that accommodate future V2G equipped vehicles for home?
It sounds like legislation governing parking bays should be amended to include charging and we have to start thinking about power pole on street charging for next to a parking bays. Perhaps funding for these things can come from fuel excise.
Is there any truth to the rumour that those who work with EV's demands a shaved head?
Hi Benny, thanks for the comments. Yes, lol, I believe the shaved head thing is a EV/Solar qualification.
As for the bi-directional charger the only one approved in Australia is the Wallbox Quasar but not cheap. This operates on the ChAdemo system so only with Nissan Leaf and Mitshi plug in hybrids. Check out the link below for a bit more info.
EV chargers for V2G and V2H to arrive in Australia within weeks, after long delays - ABC News www.abc.net.au/news/science/2022-02-14/electric-vehicle-first-ev-chargers-v2g-v2h-to-arrive-australia/100811130
@@ElectricCarAustralia Encouraging, thanks.
Great video, I did not know 'smart' chargers exist. I had heard of people using solar diverters for hot water systems etc and had originally thought I would pair a solar diverter with a hard wired 'dumb' charger. I am on single phase and would like to set up the charger outdoors in my driveway - do you have any insights on how a smart charger interacts with my solar system, how well this works, and if it is better than a dumb charger with a solar diverter?
Hi Mark, thanks for watching and the comment. Yes smart EV charging is relatively easy these days. All brands/types basically detect the solar feed and divert that to the charger. Some have more smarts then others but basically that's what they do.
I am currently testing a Fronius charger which is smart with the added benefit of being able to be used ether house mounted or portal when you want to go on a road trip so does both use cases. I will have this video out in the next 4-6 weeks.
Hi Greg can you ask Anthony about SMA battery inverter (sunnyboy storage 5 ) can we use it to charge ev dc charging
Hi, thanks for watching. Best to send him a email directly, his contact details are in his website. Cheers.
$2k-$3k+ a day to connect a few wires - holy moly 😲... My mom told me to become a sparkie - why didn't I listen to her? 😜
Thanks for watching. Just curious where you got the $2-3k day though?
@@ElectricCarAustralia @4:12 - "we would do between 2 and 3 a day". Average cost just to install ~$1k (+/-). 😉
@@alexanderrikmanis8753 ok, but more than just connecting a few wires 🤣
Hi Greg/Arran I have an Atto 3 Extended range and would like to install an EVSE capable of using the FULL 7kW capability of the vehicles on board charger. Also i would like to take into consideration any future EV which may need 3 phase higher current charging etc. Our home also has solar (5kW Fronius Primo inverter)with the .44c FIT. Does Arran have any suggestions regarding options for future proofing an installation. Thanks
Hi Sam, best thing would be to give Arran a call, website link in video, and have a chat. Cheers Greg
From an EV charger Manufacturer's perspective. If you manage to arrange a designated 380V power line, phase-3, Level 2, 22KW AC charger is definitely the way to go for future-proofing. If 380V is an issue, and 220V is the only option, then phase 1, 3.5kw, and 7kw AC chargers are your only options at this stage.
Tesla wall charger gen 3 takes electrician 1 hour to install. Nothing tricky. Just 1 hour labour + $60 material.
Hi Erik, thanks for watching. As mentioned in the video it depends on the location of charger and difficulty getting wiring to it.
Hadn’t heard of the Smappee before I know you were just saying Zappi wrong at first until I saw the picture. XD
Also thanks so much for giving a run down on the issues with the Zappi first generation, I know Solar Quotes has strikes it off his recommendation list of options to chose from because he had some break on him but I saw thinking maybe it’s just because he had it in direct sunlight outside or something and putting it in a shed would be better which maybe it would… but if it’s a temp issue and the shed gets hot then maybe having it inside wouldn’t fix the issue entirely at least for the first gen. Anyway, will definitely be checking out the other chargers as well if only to compare the smarts of the two.
Thanks for the comment. Stay tuned for the next video showcasing a new Fronius charger range. Cheers
CE approval isn’t generally accepted in Australia is it for grid connected?
Thanks for the comment, yes. it's just another way of checking for a higher quality product.
how will put out a lithium fire at your home
There should be an exception for people who don't own their own home or can't charge at home. I'd love to have an EV but paying for supercharging would make it expensive. I think the government should provide a rebate on either the installation of a charger OR an amount of kWh of free charging. Getting a million EV's on the road is great but we've got to be able to charge them.
Thanks for watching and the comment. All EVs can be charged from a PowerPoint so as long as you can park safely near one and leave car that's always an option.
Elec is always going to be cheaper than petrol/diesel and getting cheaper the more renewables come in. Also there are many different $ rates for rapid chargers from free up to $0.7kWh so just choose one within your budget.
The transition to EV is much easier than most people think. For those on lower income the upfront cost is the biggest issue.
On rebates, I don't think they are a good idea as history shows prices in the market usually rise to 'soak it up' so consumers generally don't benefit. Other, better options are available and used around the world.
Cheers
Hi might be a dumb question but I was wondering can you install a three phase ev charger at a single phase home?
Thanks for watching, and no question is dumb. Short answer is no, as you won't get the benefit of 3 phase if you only have single phase supply and they cost more.
Having said that it might be suitable in some circumstances. Hope that helps and please Subscribe to the Channel if you haven't. Cheers.
@@ElectricCarAustralia just one more question, I am getting the MG ZS EV My22 facelift model can I use the Tesla Gen3 wall charger to charge the MG?
@@arthur8104 Sure can!
Does Regen EV have an affiliate in Perth?
Hi Behram, I will follow up with Arran and let you know.
Arran has advised he doesn't have a contact in Perth as yet but would be keen to speak to someone if you have a contact. You can contact home direct via his website contact details.
I hope that helps. Cheers.
@@ElectricCarAustralia Thank you. I will do that, once I know my car is on the horizon. Currently, I am only getting news through the grapevine and there is no certaintly of its (MG ZS EV 2022) arrival.
Tesla is spelled with an S, not a Z. It's not Tezla.
Batteries and chargers. I can’t believe you didn’t discuss that. Most people don’t have their car in the garage during the day when the sun is out. They are using the car at work or shopping etc. So most people would charge at night when the sun is down. Why didn’t you discuss the obvious need for batteries and how they work and sync with a charger?
Hi, thanks for the comment. There is only so much you can fit in a video on a particular subject. This was about chargers and installs not charging, solar and batteries.
By the way in most cases charging home batteries from solar then charging an EV is not the best way to go as it's expensive and has efficiency losses. I suggest talking through your particular case when your ready 😉
@@ElectricCarAustralia I respectfully disagree. 95% plus of auto owners don’t have their car at home during the day. If we are to utilize the sun for its free energy and charge our cars green we are going to need home batteries. That means smarts between the battery and charger. Not smarts between anything else. We need to plug into batteries. Batteries and chargers go one and one here. They should be being sold together. That’s why Tesla has the edge. With the powerwall and gateway. This should have been mentioned. Or other battery charger combos. Just MO
@@wapphigh5250 All good, everyone's thoughts are valuable. The EV community is great to be part of. On the batteries just keep in mind most home batteries are approx 20% of the size of the EV battery so are really only any good for an EV top up. At the far other end, you would need a massive home battery, approx $100k in price, if you wanted to fully charge a Tesla from low SOC.
@@ElectricCarAustralia wow. Ok I didn’t know that. This is the sort of valuable info that needs to get out there. So much spruiking going on by battery sellers. Can you do a vid on this ? I’m about to get a powerwall which should be ok for my PEHV- but they have similar battery capacities. My end goal is however a proper EV. So I’d like to plan ahead. Please visit this issue for us. Thanks!
Well to be clear none of these so called chargers are not actually chargers. They are simply a box with some electrical safety gear, a bit of electronics to communicate with the vehicle and perhaps a WiFi connection.
The actual charger, both AC and DC are on board the vehicle.
Hi hen van, yes as we said in the video these are EVSE's for AC charging with the actual charger in the car. As for DC I am not aware of any EV with an onboard DC charger. What brand/ model are you referring to with onboard DC charger? Cheers
The "Charge HQ" app turns a dumb charger into a smart solar aware charger for supported cars and supported inverters.
Thanks John, I will have to check it out.
Dont know why they are so costly; they are nothing more than a swtichbox...the real charging is ultimately controlled by the car.
Hi Vicking, thanks for watching. Cant answer that one :)
Wow, so boring, yeah, um, yeah. You could have done so much more with the b-roll
Thanks for watching 👍