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- Опубліковано 26 чер 2024
- June 2024 Update on my current electric vehicle home charging setup for our Tesla Model Y and BYD Seal utilising Ocular IQ Home Solar Charger and Tesla Generation 3 Wall Connector while connected to Origin EV Power Up at 8c/kWh by Tesla Tom aka BYD Tom of Ludicrous Feed in Sydney Australia June 2024
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00:00 Introduction
00:43 Origin EV Power Up Overview
01:30 Origin EV Power Up Setup Process
01:53 Origin App Walkthrough
03:12 Tesla Solar Charging Compatible
03:57 Powerwall 2 Pro Tip
04:35 Origin EV Power Up Real World Demonstration
06:29 How much does it cost to fully charge a Tesla Model Y RWD?
06:55 Origin EV Power Up Summary
07:35 Ocular IQ Home
08:14 Ocular App Walkthrough
09:15 Ocular IQ Home Real World Demonstration
10:00 Schedule Charging Times
10:19 Charging Records for export
10:30 OCPP Compliant
10:53 Fully Charged the next morning
11:34 Ocular IQ Home Solar Charging
12:24 Origin App shows Savings
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Hi Tom
As an Origin customer for many years and after watching your great video it seems like you may have left some of the minor finer details out of the video.
After accessing the link above I realized that that was a personalised link only for you as it has your name in the UR, but I did find the actual ev-power-up link, but never managed to progress further than the message that popped up " there has been a problem, please contact Origin Energy".
I contacted Origin with my Tesla details and my account details and they informed me that I had to have an Origin 360 Charger or an Origin 360 subscription. As I have neither, could you please enlighten me (and possibly others) as to how to obtain an Origin 360 subscription.
Here is their reply -
Hi John,
Origin EV energy plan eligibility criteria not met.
Thank you for expressing your interest in the Origin 360 EV energy plan. As much as we would like to welcome you aboard, we’re writing to advise you that our checks have shown some or all of the eligibility criteria have not yet been met.
In order to be eligible for the EV tariff you must have one of the following products:
1. Origin 360 EV Charger or
2. Origin 360 EV Subscription.
If you feel there has been an error in the evaluation process, please reach out to us on emobility@originenergy.com.au
Kind regards,
Josh
Operations Specialist - EV Charging,
E-Mobility.
321 Exhibition St, Melbourne VIC 3000
As someone who’s currently researching ahead of my first potential Model Y purchase, your videos are fantastic. Thanks for being genuinely informative with your videos!
Glad you're finding them useful!
Good luck with your new Y. I bought mine 6 months ago and love it.
Another timely video Tom. Origin was my previous provider but I ditched them to change to AGL Night saver EV plan. It allows me to charge my Tesla M3 rwd ( Gen 3 wall connector) at the same rate 8c per kwh (phase 3). Although these rates are only available between 12 and 6am, Im able to take advantage of the 8c rate for all my grid electricity needs for those six hours. eg dish washer, washing machine and dryer etc. Daily supply charge of 76c, Solar FIT 7c. I only use the Tesla app. Theres no restriction on the AGL app. General tariff 32c per kwh. As I dont have a Power Wall the TOU tariff was not as favourable.
Thanks for sharing! Glad to see more options on the market now for EV owners 👍
They told me they didn't have any EV plans....
I have switched to AGL. 33.6 c peak and 22c off peak, about 10c cheaper peak and 6c off peak, plus, 8c 12-6am. Gas is also about 30% cheaper.
Yep I just switched over to AGL EV plan from Energy Australia...as they don't have an EV plan! 8c/KWh btw 12am-6am is 👌
where are you located? where i live (dubbo NSW) it costs 26-42c on TOU on AGL
That's what I like about the AGL EV plan, no limits on what you can do in the cheap time. I have the EV charging, the house battery recharging for when the expensive tariff kicks in at 6 AM, where here in SA, it goes upto 50c a kwh. In the winter months, I have the heater on a timer to run a while before I get up.
Hello Tom. Great video. I have connected my car to Origin and it WORKS. Amazining. Thank you for sharing.
Nice!
love the local AUS content
Thanks!
AGL product is far better. No connecting vehicles or limits. Just the flat rate between 00:00 and 05:59 @ $0.08 per kWh.
Great to have more options on the market for EV owners 👍
Im on the AGL EV plan and I am very happy with it.
Thx I signed up
Nice! Let us know how you go
Great video. I’ll have to do this for my model Y. Also you are supporting Aussie businesses. 👍👍 Powered by Aussie coal; cheap, reliable and works on cloudy days.
If you're on Origin already then it's a no brainer really 👍
$44/MWh for solar vs $109/MWh for coal, and when did the last solar plant trip? 🤔
Yeah, reliable and cheap.
Ovo ev plan is better. 8c between 12 to 6am, free between 11am to 2pm.
price works for the entire household, not just the EVs.
Peak may be more expensive but you can avoid it with a home battery
Great that there are more options for consumers 👍
Ditched AGL for this. Couldn't be happier. Thinking about a battery system to make better use of the 3 free hours.
I'm with AGL in Melbourne, also with a RWD Y - just the simple 8c/kWh tariff from midnight to 6am.
I use the Tesla UMC with a 32A tail - charges at 7kW / 50km/hr.
The Origin plan seems more complicated than it should be. For me, I just plug in when I get home and schedule charging from midnight - it's that simple.
Does seem simple ... plus you can apply the tariff to the entire house!
I'm in Melbourne and picking up a MY RWD next week. Fortunately, I live next to a S/C and can get free charging @ 11KW. I've already bought a Type 2 cable. Can't wait. 😊
Very handy 🙏😁
Neat to see this in action. In practice I wouldn't really want to have my energy provider that tightly integrated with and controlling my energy usage though. Feels like they'll do a rug-pull in future which I have experience with Origin doing.
I was looking into Amber recently and if you have something that can coordinate your solar/battery/charger like Homeassistant you can do some neat things like use the free periods to charge your car and battery, then export your battery to grid during peak hours to sell at a higher rate. A bit more complicated but at least you then have the control in your own hands.
Good point re: control of your energy usage 👍
Hi Tom Great Video. I have a very similar solar and battery setup to you (Enphase/Tesla). The deal your on is fantastic but I ended up selecting Amber. If Amber is available to you as I understand it isn't available everywhere I would recommend investigating them. One other problem I have found over the years is that energy providers are really good at changing the goal posts and I have had to change often. It isn't a smooth ride no matter what you do these days as energy providers are all trying to maximise profits and I have found swapping energy providers easy too thank goodness.
You make a good point in that it’s always worth shopping around regularly particularly now many providers don’t have lock in contracts (like Origin)
I've been with Origin for a while and had no idea they offered this until now, although in fairness it does look like a relatively new product and still officially in beta. All the other "EV plans" from AGL, Ovo etc were a no go for us as we have too much PV on the roof, so it's good to have this as an option for those of us with bigger systems.
I set it up today and noticed that just setting a straight charge schedule in the car was ignored by Origin. Despite telling it not to charge until after 10pm, it started anyway. Charge on Solar with a schedule seems to work though.
Hmm interesting, it’s been respecting my car schedule so far … yes given it’s in Beta hopefully Origin will iron out some of the bugs before the greater release
melbourne here. im with AGL provider with ev plan from midnight to 6am for 8c p/kwh.
Nice 👍
Thanks for this. I'm still dithering over whether to get a Tesla Y or not, but I did look into the pricing of this plan. Putting it in perspective for a current ICE owner, I recently got a 50.000km service on my Outback at $800, plus hire car plus time and effort to get the car there and then pick it up and then take it back for corrective work... For a Tesla Y LR, the charge cost under the Origin plan would equate to around $6.40 per "fill". So for the cost of a significant (not a _major_ ) service of an ICE vehicle, I could run a Tesla LR Y for at least 55,000km. (Assuming my arithmetic is correct.) Hmnn... I think I should stop vacillating.
It's hard to argue with the cost of charging an EV at home when it comes to comparing km for km
Hi Tom,
Another great video 👍
Can the Origin plan work with the slow charger than comes with the car, plugged to a standard wall socket?
Yes it can
Tom,The origin setup will NOT allow the battery to calibrate once it reaches 100% ,so you have a major issue because it thinks it’s finished but as you know that when 100% is reached that it needs to be left for BMS to calibrate. FYI
Thanks, yes a few have pointed this out 👍
Hopefully Origin will sort out a fix soon for RWD/LFP cars
TLDR: Origin EV Power Up Beta will NOT charge your Tesla to 100% for BMS calibration. MAJOR FLAW for Tesla LFP battery owners.
We all know Tesla RWD models have LFPs that is recommended to charge to 100% at least once a week to calibrate all the little cells to 100% and make BMS happy. The flaw in Tesla's part is this calibration continues to happen for another 20 mins to an hour even when battery hits 100%. The problem is as soon as Tesla hits 100% (while still charging and calibrating) Origin stops the charging on the vehicle. I noticed this morning and I manually started the charge. But because Origin is constantly checking my car battery status every 5 minutes or so, it stops the charging again thinking it's fully charged. The origin needs to either quit taking control of the charging schedule once the car hits 100% (as the car is intelligent enough to stop charging when it is fully charged) or look for a different variable in the battery status that says "Charging Complete" when the BMS is successfully calibrated. Most users using this feature wouldn't know this is going on because the car and app will still say 100% when they check or get in but in fact, the crucial calibration part would not have had enough time to charge each individual cell to 100%. Can't even force (instant charge) Origin to keep charging the vehicle because they just stop the charging within 5 minutes of them noticing 100%, I had to manually start charging multiple time across the period of 45 minutes to actually successfully calibrate my batteries to 100% at 5AM yesterday morning.
Other thing I don't quite get is if I'm charging the vehicle during the day on solar (no ppwerwall), how do they differentiate which portion of my charging is done via solar and which portion of my usage to apply the 8c charging while still maintaining 32c for the rest of my house. If it's a cloudy day and my Tesla and Washing Machine are occasionally pulling from the grid, what portion will be 8c and what portion will be 32c? Hmmm...
OK I think I understand your point now ... someone else asked about this earlier in the comments but your explanation makes sense in that the Tesla LFP vehicles require extra time to fully calibrate the BMS 💡
- This may be something that Origin will have to address if anyone from their tech dept is watching/reading these comments
You have picked up on exactly what my son has experienced also regarding the bms not calibrating on this origin plan,it will be a interesting to see if they can fix this
@@LudicrousFeedthis is actually an issue for LR & Performance batteries too. I’m in the process of calibrating my M3P battery and the car states “charging stopped” instead of “charging complete”. The car ticks over to 100% but still shows it needs 30 mins to complete charge, however the origin API takes over and cuts off the charge session. Origin will need to find a solution for this.
Great vid Tom,
Q, Why are comments turned off on your Zeeker vids, they do feel more like a tourism campaign as there are more photos of food than cars 😂. Anyway looking forward to the wrap up summary.
Thanks! I tried to capture aspects of the whole trip 👍😁
I am on amber and charge during the day. I do 400km Monday and Tuesday and then charge Wednesday. I usually pay 3-4c per kWhr. A couple of weeks ago I got paid 4c/kWhr to charge. I have an 11kw charger so only takes 4-5 hours
Great option for those fortunate to be able to charge during the day
I’ve been with Amber since they started and to this day still don’t understand how I can get the low prices quoted by them (and yours here). The live price tracker is never that low and I’m always wondering when and how to actually get those lowest rates I apparently can get.
Feel like a total smooth brain and deciding what to do before my new Tesla shows up this month. I already installed the wall charger, just need to decide on staying with Amber or switching to someone else.
@@benbodhi if the sun is shining you should see under 5c or less from about 11 through to 14. On weekends is when it will get really low and sometimes swing to negative prices. The only issue is that’s the wholesale cost not what you end up paying because of all the other charges. I’m keeping my eye on some of these other deals as a result. Because I drive around 800k a week I have 11kw charging so I can get 50kwhr into the battery in the times when power is cheap. I use charge HQ which talks to the amber app and the Tesla app to control charging based on price.
@@paulsimpson8990 thanks for that! I don’t have solar or a battery, just a wall charger for the car and regular old grid with smart meter since amber put it in. Will def be linking charge hq to have a play with prices to charge at, and comparing to other providers. No lock in periods makes it easy to switch until I find the right one once I’m charging the car. I’d be doing about 500kms per week.
Regardless of price, can’t wait. Just contemplating the price optimisations while I wait for delivery 😂
22HR /10pm is great for cheaper tariff in most countries it is 23/11 or even Midnight or even 12:30!!
Good for winter months when heating is required!
In regional Oz, on a cloudy day only getting 25% production. 4.4kw panels and getting 1kwh. Not quite covering the level 1 charger😢.
Be better once the rest of panels installed and head towards spring.
Yes sadly winter is not a great time for solar production
@@LudicrousFeed even with a 13kw setup, two systems, north facing 6.3kw on house and 6.5kw east/west split on shed, production can be pretty bad on a cloudy day. I am in northern suburbs of Adelaide.
Great video, thanks Tom. Can I ask if you are on a Time Of Use plan with Origin or if you are on a flat rate whet are you paying per kWH normal rate?
Thanks.
TOU
84c/day
Off Peak 15c
Peak 50c
Shoulder 26c
@@LudicrousFeed Thanks Tom, I wasn't sure if you had to be on a flat rate or TOU to be able to get the EV Plan.
If you drive regularly with a decent daily commute and require daily charging then Origin ⚡️plan would be good.
My daily commute is 5km (round-trip) and currently only charge once every 2-weeks to 80% (M3LR).
Currently with Amber Electric and have a $425 credit so far this year…. Waiting for bi-directional charging ⚡️
Yes for a set and forget plan it’s quite a good option
OVO also offers 8c between 12am-6am PLUS they offer 11am-2pm free power giving me around 20kwh of power if used in full
Not bad. What's their FiT?
@@LudicrousFeed 8 cents as well
Hi Tom. Do you know if this available in Perth? I thought we only have Synergy. I too have 8c per kWh but only between the hours of 9 to 3 during the day
Yes I think someone else also said that WA only has one provider …
What ppl don't know is that for some providers you can get a discount if you ask for one...
No harm asking … worst they can say is no
Hi Tom. Can you confirm if the following is happening with your setup? If you set your charge time by 9am (for example) and disconnect your charger earlier, say 8am, without the Origin session completing naturally, it will NOT apply the 8c/kwh rate for the interrupted session. It seems you need to go past the session time for it to apply the discount. Not sure if it's just my Tesla or if its happening to others as well.
Hmm I’m yet to see any such issues because I tend to unplug after the end time anyway … I’ll monitor
did your seal come with its own charging cables/wall outlet or is that extra item ?
Here in Australia, it came with a 10A mobile wall connector and a V2L adaptor
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After my first nights charge it charged to my limit by 5am but I set 8:30am as my departure. Weirdly there is no savings talky in the origin app. Emailed Origin. The UI needs work.
Good test to see that it charged to your departure time 👍
I didn’t see the “Savings” box show up until a few days after my first charge but now it updates regularly 👍
Is there a way to unlink the Origin apps? What if I move to another energy provider? The apps should provide an easy way to remove access.
I cannot see the Origin / Enode listed under third party apps in my Tesla account too
That’s an important question … something I will follow up with Origin if/when the times comes
Thanks for another great video! I've switched to Origin for a week now and most of the time the Origin app doesn't detect my car is plugged in. On most nights it would only charge to 80% although it predicts 100% and sometimes I get "Snap! We can't charge your car right now. It looks like there may be a problem with your charger." The Tesla app shows my car is awake and ready to charge. Strange!
Hmm what’s the speed of your home charger?
@@LudicrousFeed wall connector Gen3 11kw (3-phase power). i may have found the issue, under my home settings the vehicle charging section had the wall connector schedule turned from 12am. i switched that off and seems to be ok now. i`ll let it test for a few days and see how it goes.
Hi Tom, a (hopefully) quick question. If Origin retro-actively charge you 8c/kWh for charging your car based on the charge put into the car and you have a smart charger in place so that it diverts solar generation into the car instead of exporting to the grid, would Origin then charge you for your own generated power going into the car?
I guess a way around that would be to only charge the car at night, but for those of us with excess solar without a battery that want to charge our cars off excess solar generation, if Origin is basing their consumption and therefore charging costs to us on what they see in the app, how can they determine if the power is being supplied by them or by our solar system? Or am I missing something?
My understanding is that it will only charge you 8c/kWh for grid derived energy. Excess solar shouldn’t be charged … but I’ll examine my bill closer
Am looking at the OVO plan. Any thoughts?
Seems quite popular judging from the comments!
Does the plan allow preconditioning to use power from the charger/wall connector?
That is a very good question … will try to test this
Thanks Tom!
I’m getting screwed over in far North Queensland, cheapest I can get from Ergon is 20c kWh
😔
I’m so jealous of all these rates, thought it’s still cheaper that fuel
AGL has a better plan with lower rates and still 8c kwh 12-6 am
Good option for non-Tesla EVs 👍
@@LudicrousFeed Getting my New HW4 2024 Model Y on the 17th, really enjoyed your long review.
Hi Tom, you made no mention of the rates of electricity outside of charging, are they the same or smaller to most standard plans?
It really does depend on your postcode but for me, it’s a better deal than my previous provider
@@LudicrousFeed that’s awesome mate. Thanks for sharing.
@@LudicrousFeed just a follow up...I actually am already an Origin customer, so just changed my plan. I have gone from paying $0.33 KWH to how $0.08 to charge the car after 10pm which is crazy. On top of that I am blown away by the tech to be able to sync this all up with the car, really, really, impressed.
@@AndrewThomson888 That’s awesome! Really does pay to shop around and for customers intending to stay with Origin like yourself then it’s a no-brainer 👍
Any reason why you don't use something like ovo which gives you the 8c/kwh block between midnight to 6am as well as free electricity between 11am to 2pm while running other power hungry devices like the dishwasher, washing machine, air con etc?
In all honesty it’s because Origin approached me first to try their product. But yes the Ovo deal sounds quite good too
@@LudicrousFeed there’s been comments that origin EV power up will not charge your Tesla to 100% for BMS calibration, which is recommended for rwd models with lfp batteries. Can you confirm this is the case?
@mashoook Not true. It’s charged to 100% each time I’ve asked it to, including last night 🥇
- it’ll aim to charge whatever % you set it to in the car/app
Add: I've seen a comment from another viewer that stated: although the car will charge to 100% it may not continue to charge for BMS calibration. Will need to follow this up with Origin if indeed true ...
OVO is as good as worthless in NSW Ausgrid. Max 5kW Solar/Inverter.
Ovo has a higher daily supply charge and it’s normal rate is higher than AGL. I’ve switched to AGL!
How much did origin pay you for the advertisement? Did you contact origin first or did they know about your channel and make contact? Curious how this all works.
Origin reached out via a PR agency
@@LudicrousFeed Interesting! You must be happy you built your brand :)
just signed up, and got the warning about incomplete charge , even though I'm at 70%, I don't know what algorithm its using but it seems way off in predicting charge
is it assuming a 10A connection?
Yeah it is very conservative at the moment with its estimates but as mentioned in my video, it usually catches up 👍
Let us know how you go!
@@LudicrousFeed conservative maybe, I think wrong, but it's beta so hopefully they can fix it
hey Tom, just a small pick up around fully charged my BYD seal has 650km for full charge Yous has 640km any reason why thought they would all be the same
It does dynamically change depending on your driving efficiency. Regardless I don’t pay strict attention to the range but merely use it only as a very rough guide
@@LudicrousFeed
ok cheers that's good info might have to push it a bit harder to get the numbers down lol
Well... switching power providers is again a thing for the Eastern states! Here i WA there is ONE provider so whatever they say, goes...
Ah yes thanks, I forgot about WA’s provider …
WA sounds like 90% of the USA! Free market leaders of the world don't you know...with their monopoly utilities and now 100% Tariffs on Chinese brand EVs.
but isn't your rate a variable rate with Origin? [whatever that means] but I think it means u can get stung based on media reports last week....??
My Powerwall home battery covers us during the expensive peak periods
East to switch energy provider unless you live in FNQ then your options are Ergon, Ergon and Ergon 😢
Sorry to hear you don't have many options ...
I really disagree with the data Origin asks for in order to provide the 8ckw discount. Shady to allow the energy companies to have this much access, even if it helps them correlate Tessie data
There are alternatives as many in the comments have alluded to
@@LudicrousFeed true always good to have options!
EV power plans usually will charge you more on house power use, which is much worse
Yes they usually all have a compromise somewhere else from experience …
Ovo Energy EV plan is even better then this and AGL. 8c between 0:00 - 6:00 and free between 11:00 - 14:00!!
Nice 👍