Squeezing All my AR Triggers
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- Опубліковано 21 лип 2024
- Trigger-agnostic nihilist reviews 5 AR triggers. Stay tuned for part 2: Yanking All my AR Charging Handles.
ALG Defense QMS
ALG Defense ACT
LaRue MBT-2S
AIM SSTAT
Strike Industries Mystery Schmeat LPK Trigger
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NB: ALG claims the QMS and ACT both have a milspec pull weight, but I think they're lying. My ACT measures under 4.5lbs and the QMS measures exactly at the advertised 5.5 lbs.
My act came with two different springs. One has purple paint on it to signify it has a lighter pull weight (somewhere around 3-4 pounds). The other spring is black I believe and is a heavier milspec pull around 5-6lbs
@@721pjm I've never used the purple springs because of paranoia bout light primer strikes.
No Hop, it's you that's wrong.
@@Hoplopfheil no issues with steel case .223 after 500 rounds but that's not a whole lot.
Edit: the purple spring also doesn't work with .22 conversion kits like the cmmg one. Not enough oomph to set off rimfire reliably
I modified an act with green springs for a target rifle and have a qms, act and the palmetto version of the act. I would take an act all day. Also, I don't think the geissele g2s is a bad trigger if you can find one for close to 120
Deep lore: Hop actually doesn't mind geissele triggers, he just hates Bill for shutting down Amy's company.
Im out of the loop, why did ALG stop production?
@@CrackinJacks138 ALG (Amy Lynn Geissele) is the sister company to Geissele, run by Bill Geissele, her husband. They are joined at the hip for manufacturing and the profit margins on Geissele products are better than ALG products so manufacturing is most likely going into Geissele instead of ALG, who hasn't had new stock in ages.
@@carl0sspcywe3nr im able to find alg ak triggers still...
Epic
@@carl0sspcywe3nr Yo he married is sister?
I was waiting for a plaid sleeve to come into frame to complete the scene
At least Flannel Daddy plays Unchained Melody for us...
@@paleosteveo3501 no he just SAYS he’s going to play Unchained Melody.
I saw the title and thought to myself "Hop, don't threaten me with a GOOD time."
The LaRue MBT-2S is the best bang for the buck two stage trigger and the ALG ACT is the best single stage. Geissele triggers are great, but not worth the retail price.
Cliffs: you’re poor.
@@sambegley9966 I own multiple Geissele triggers. The MBT-2S is still superior. Cope harder fan boy. Bill depends on idiots like you to keep his business afloat.
@@jonathanwick1265 wrong. I have both and the Geissele is clearly superior. If $100 is a lot of money to you, you’re a poor. Plain and simple.
@@sambegley9966 You don't have basic reading comprehension skills do you? I said I own multiple Geissele triggers. The MBT-2S is still superior in my opinion. You're slow. Plain and simple.
@@sambegley9966 Also no one gives a shit about your opinion. We'll let you know if we ever do. Thanks for your contribution though champ.
Me: I have an ar rifle and an ar pistol, that's probably too many ars
Hop: hold my fuckin' beer
Can you have too many AR's? I think only if more than any two are exactly identical... Oddly, even while they may all look almost the same, small differences in accoutrements can make big differences in application, especially when it comes to barrel lengths, sights, and overall weights; that, without ever even considering cartridges and calibers. You ARE allowed to have a favorite, even if that favorite changes every few days!
@@Scaliad Fair enough. I think it's mostly me trying to chase the (impossible to achieve) do-it-all gun
@@FrontTowardsAnemone Do it all gun? My dude, there's like 32 knives in a set in your mommas kitchen for a reason....do you have a DO IT ALL tool in your tool box for construction? Do you have a DO IT ALL all golf club? Lmao 🤣 how about you bring back some cans or ask for another shift and you just add to the collection knowing you're free and able to do so at your leisure? These folks chasing unicorn rifles are usually just kids who are looking for identity...same with their possessions. Be happy you live in a country that allows ANY of this because before long, you may not.
I know children and pets that have more than 2 ARs...
@@ColeDedhand LOL
Heh today's video, IMA PULL ALL THESE TRIGGERS AND YOU CAN'T STOP ME
As a result, fun to hear general trigger thoughts
"If you are watching this video you are the resistance"
keep up the good fight John.
I have several different triggers from Larue, Giesselle, CMC, Rise etc. and the ACT is the one I keep going back to. It’s like an old girlfriend, she might not be the prettiest and her sister gets all the attention but she just gets you and makes you feel better about maybe not trying harder for that promotion. She just wants to see that you’re happy and doesn’t mind your obsessive Warhammer mini collection or the fact that sometimes you speak in movie quotes. She deserves better god damn it 😭
That's... Oddly specific.
@@Kremit_the_Forg A good trigger is hard to find
Lol, best comment I’ve read all week!
Why is that relatable
Lmao
I think you nailed the Gieselle marketing motto... "expensive for no good reason"
They're expensive because boomers freaking love them.
Never understood why Geissele charges so much for their triggers. Like Hop I don’t care for 2 stage, give me a polished mil spec job all day. Don’t get me wrong, I have a Geissele upper that I love, it’s built like a tank (10.3” URG-I.) But for the most part their stuff is overpriced.
They're probably overpriced for what they are. But they are my favorite general purpose 2-stage triggers, and I'm a fan of 2-stage triggers. They're dead nuts reliable, and the compatibility with standard trigger and hammer springs is a draw for me.
Polished mil spec job is passable, but the only reason to do that is if you don't want to spend the coin on a high end trigger. My buddy has a Large MBT. Good for the money, but I don't understand how people can say it's just as good as a Geissele. It's not.
So for shooting up close it is better to shoot a nice geissele but not THAT much better than milspec. When I really noticed it was long range. Milspec triggers at long range feel AWFUL.
Edit: even the polished milspec feel really heavy when shooting long range
Their high-end ones have mil-standard certification. They QA test every single one. That's expensive. They also sell the exact same trigger that only gets spot QA checked, for a lot less money. ALG are the initials of Geissele's sister, I think, so that was their way of selling affordable triggers. A few years ago they had a sale and I bought a bunch of ACT's for 35 bucks each IIRC.
I guess if it is in any way based on something besides the name, it's for consistency, the QC while selling in large amounts and perhaps a feeling to not worry about it after installation and not worrying if spare parts will fit.
@M. Denz I prefer a Hiperfire for competition. My Geissele is in my Home Defense rifle.
Do the Larue triggers also fit a garden hose modified to fire your ammunition faster?
Anti-walk pins prevent walking from pin failure, which is the entire point of the pin being able to walk. It's telling you something is wrong, whether that's a dimensional issue or broken part.
Think egged-out pin holes on a P80, or excessive vibration like on a AR9.
Or if you have a cassette style trigger, the hammer spring can't sit in the pin detent and keep it from walking, so they need anti walk pins
I'm one of those wierdos that actually likes the millspec trigger. They are heavy and not great for super precise work, but they are solid. Definitely better than many other millspec triggers out there. They also break in fairly well, so with some use they become much less gritty. I do think people put too much emphasis on triggers sometimes. A bad trigger will ruin a gun, but you dont need a match trigger to make it good either.
I love mil spec triggers, they’re pretty predictable and teach you how to shoot better.
On a long gun, I agree that the millspec trigger is absolutely sufficient for most use. Now that I'm really thinking about it, I only get fussy about triggers (or grips) when talking about handguns.
@@JustIn-op6oy That actually fits, because trigger control on a handgun is far more important. A bad trigger press on a handgun regardless of how good it is, will result in a flyer.
@@brandonschwertley2723 absolutely. Also my situation is compounded by having freakishly large hands, so I find most pistols other than full sized service guns uncomfortably cramped from the get go. An awkward trigger pull is just the cherry on top of a shit sunday of ergonomics.
Y’all came here for the triggers, I came here for some top tier hand modeling and I was not disappointed. Ssshhhiittt who does those manicure’s.
I'm right there with you, Hop! Been waiting on my Sandman S for about 9 months now.
I I stalled the geissele SD-C in all the M4A1s for 20th Group out here. I was never a trigger guy either but for hyper dynamic shooting I'd say it's definitely an advantage.
Agree my 2 favorites are the ALG act and BCM Pnt. Both seem similar. Perfect for my uses.
I like how you sounded like this was a chore to do.
I have a bone stock mil-spec trigger in my AR, a Brownells XM16E1. It’s admittedly already good for a mil-spec, but I dry fired it a bunch to smooth it out and by golly it’s just a good trigger at this point. Match triggers are nice, but they’re usually used by people who don’t shoot well enough to truly take advantage of them, and as such are just a way to not need to grow out of bad habits you won’t even realize you have.
Don't agree with all your opinions but I do enjoy the variety of content you put out. Well done.
PSA's enhances polished triggers are really hard to beat considering the 35 dollar price point. Very clean break with mil-spec likeness if that's your thing. I'm not so into two stage or hair triggers
My first AR has the EPT in it. It's a fantastic trigger! I just bought a JP enterprises reduced power spring kit to try out.
I am saddened by the lack of random shots of you shooting with nods sprinkled throughout but I have either the Alg ACT and Larue MBT triggers in all of my AR's and agree with you on everything you said about them.
liked before watching a second, one of the best gun channels out there. Keep your honest opinions, thats more worth than the influencer shit out there
Love my rise armament rave 140. Used it at thunderranch and served me well in a crapy psa build.
I just like watching hops fingers and imagining where they’ve been :)
You're nazty.
My favorite has always been always been a Timney Impact... However, that trigger is $134... From what I saw when you pulled the trigger, and from what you were saying about it, it sounds like I may want to use an ALG ACT in the next build I do.
Totally agree on 2 stage triggers, my SSA-E sits in a spare parts bin, I use a Ruger Elite 451.
I just recently became a ALG trigger fan boy. I finally got tired of the trigger slap on my Romanian SAR-1 AKMs (I have two) and had the ALG AK trigger installed. I immediately fell in love with how smooth it was. It was so smooth, I actually jumped when I fired it the first time. At that point, my AKM triggers were smoother than the milspec trigger on my Sig M400 Tread so I went and got the ALG ACT. Great triggers that are reasonably priced too. Highly recommended. MidwayUSA generally has them and if you time your order with their free shipping deal, it'll save you a fair amount.
I agree with Hop. I have AR builds with the Geissele SSA-E, CMC 3.5 Trigger, PSA EPT, Trojan Firearms drop in and milspec triggers. I've made the ALG ACT my "go to" trigger for any new builds. I'm not a trigger snob, I was lucky and caught really good sales or was gifted the triggers. At this point im my experience with AR triggers the ALG trigger will serve most people very well.
The vast quantity of value lowers makes me happy. Or should I say Hoppy? (Glances at unbuilt anderson lower in the safe...."soon my dear. soon")
Elftmann triggers for ar's and ALG triggers for ak's.
As if I needed more proof that, while I like the new trigger I put into my AR, I overspent.
"proof" lol.
I love my Geissele SSA-E. Probably my favorite all around trigger, and I've had quite a few. For up close, I like a Hiperfire Eclipse or a Timney Calvin Elite. For a budget 2 stage, the MBT is hard to argue with, and if budget is extremely tight the ACT will do just fine.
If you're happy with your purchase don't look for outside confirmation, just enjoy it, and know that Geissele triggers are well liked by a lot of world-class shooters.
@@CharlieMikeNS It's more that I bought a CMC trigger for around $200 and there are other decent cheaper options. Literally overspent.
@@BlueLoneWolf54 well when they go on sale for like 120 all the time then yea you overspent… CMC makes a good trigger though ..
I bought a geissele,super slick,super expensive single stage trigger once.looked at it,felt it,returned it. Invested in quite a few different spring's, two different mill's,1 lathe and started cutting metal with metal. There are always retired machinists who really enjoy selling older machines and sharing decade's worth of knowledge. You might have to bring the 12 pack's,but more than worth every ounce!
Im triggered
Straight to the point and honest. I identify with this.
I can definitely tell a difference between my Larue triggers and geissele triggers. Agreed they are over priced but they are pretty easy to pick out of a group if a blind fold test.
You shouldn't shoot blindfolded, it's dangerous! Always be sure of your target, and what is beyond it.
I’m running 2 BCM PNT triggers and they are a nice step up from the mil-spec trigger I have in another AR from a Areo Precision lower parts kit.
Love the Larue!
I like 2-stage triggers for precision shooting. I also like to give a light polish to my mil-spec triggers. It's a nice improvement, and only costs a few minutes of my time.
Another honest "Hop" review. For me the MBT 2S is the best trigger @ 89.00 and is better then the Giselle SSE 2GS. IMHO the 2 stage triggers are similar to the way Glock triggers work which is why I prefer them to single stage triggers.
I used to get ELG triggers from Unbranded AR a lot, then they started being out of stock fairly often. For around 30 bucks its really well made. Pairing it with other lighter pull springs doesnt seem to do anything but ive had nothing but reliable use out of the few that ive kept over the years. Recently i tried the ALG QMS and i cant feel much of any difference. If i can grab a few more ELG's from UAR id probably standardize on that just cuz it works fine, doesnt have any slop or grit and costs less than generally everything of equal quality.
I have a small fortune in giessele triggers. I do like the alg act alot. Polished and reprofiled Algs in all my aks.
My first ever trigger upgrade was the LaRue I Loved it…geissele SSA-X Enhanced is insanely expensive but amazing.
The triggers I've tried, LaRue is best for the money. Best I own is Jard AR set trigger. But I also have a Fostech Echo II which is pretty bad in semi mode but have no problem banging plates at 300 yards, so trigger hype is just hype.
I have two ALG ACT triggers and a PSA EPT. The quality control might be better on the ALG product, but in my small sample size, they all feel extremely similar. (And that’s quite good)
I have two of the PSA EPT's and really like them. On one of them I used a lighter mystery spring that came off something else (I wish I knew what trigger) and that thing is awesome.
I've built and shot more PSA kits than I'm pround to admit but the EPT triggers have been consistent. I only have one ACT and if I had to do a blind taste test I don't think I could say which is which.
I literally just polished my trigger contact points and bought a screw that basically removes most of the take-up on my Mil-spec trigger. Also replaced the springs. Functions well, though the reset is still pretty distinct. I have a CMC 3.5 lb drop in trigger in my Banshee. But that is only because it came with the pistol. It is pretty nice, I admit. But I don't feel like I shoot much worse with my polished and lightened standard trigger. Though I don't recommend removing material from your trigger components without knowing what you are doing or at least doing research, it is amazing what a little polish can do.
Good grief.
When I say Geissele is trash (to paraphrase) which I have been doing so for _years;_ I get lambasted as a hater, a fudd, a noob, a poor and so forth. But when Hop reinforces my point then suddenly everyone agrees. Sycophants can be an amusing bunch of followers.
Great overview nonetheless.
Stay classy my friend.
IMO geissele is only good for their SSF, since it's the only good full auto trigger out there.
Nah, you’re both wrong.
The chad Larue (S7 tool steel, proven to be more consistent, 1/3 the price) vs the virgin Geissele (cast metal, garbage oxide finish, $250)
I hate my geissele so much I put it in my truck gun. I don't own a truck
Poor
QMS for me is perfect.....love this trigger...my flat face cmc is cool to
ALG also makes the best AK trigger so..
I have 2, I thought they were absurdly light with far too long a pull, so I filed the disconnectors to make them into 2-stage triggers, just to increase the pull weight. (And I don’t like 2-stage triggers.) Still heaps better than what they came with either way.
I used a psa ept for a while. It’s basically a milspec trigger. I upgraded to a Geissele g2s I got off primary arms on sale and it is a huge jump up. Geissele advertises the g2s as a budget version of the ssa.
Midwest industries makes a fantastic cassette type trigger. That one is my favorite.
I've so many different triggers (AR Gold, Timney, Triggertech, Geissele, Lantac, Aero etc.) They are all good and I don't feel a need to change any of them out of their platform. I get the love of the single stage speed, but I've landed on Geissele SSA-E as my favorite. I like the safety of a two stage and the crisp 2nd stage. I haven't tried the LaRue MBT-2S, so it might be the bang for the buck.
My first love was precision rifles- so I love light crisp triggers. I cut my teeth running drills with a bolt gun set at about 2 1/4lbs. Run what works for you. My current setup is the Larue 2s with JP springs. Very easy to shoot accurately, but still a whole class above bolt gun triggers. Not like you are going to double with it. It can shoot pretty fast too, when needed.
I just got my first rifle. Seems to be milled steel, I can see the circular cutting marks on the parts. Very heavy and nice quality. As for the trigger, I'm not sure if its milspec but if it is, I cant see why people would ever dislike them. No give whatsoever, a crisp sexual full bodied click upon pulling at maybe 3 pounds. If that's what a milspec is like, I cant even imagine what these aftermarkets would feel like. A lifetime of pellet gun shooting probably makes even the cheapest ar15 part feel like gold
Absolutely right about the geissele triggers. I do think they are "nicer", in all the areas people talk about with 2 stage triggers, than the larue. Maybe I got a lemon, but my larue is not great.
Knowing what I know now after $1000 in triggers from Geissele, LaRue, BCM, and POF, I would also go with polished ALG or BCM triggers. I personally like 2 stage for shooting longer on a rest or bipod but thats about it.
The Hiperfire EDT series of single stage triggers are also pretty sweet for the money.
My biggest nightmare:
Hop getting a hold of a video of my lifetime and reviewing it on UA-cam 😖.
Alg triggers are now $79 thanks Brandon
great vid, I totally agree with everything u said xD except for the AK part lol
What spring is on your larue and have you shot it enough for any failure when suppressed
Typical Hop, with the mic drop bomb at the end... "I dont like ak's"....... 1/2 the crowd thinks "da fuck?!"
I've always just preferred a JP spring kit with a milspec trigger that's been polished 🤷
Timney 3lb single stage trigger came with my armalite M153GN18 and I fucking love that rifle overall but that trigger God damn that trigfer
One of Geissele's selling points for their triggers besides its pull qualities is the fact (so I've heard claim) is that it has a full power hammer, so that it's virtually immune light strikes. Is that a real thing, and how does that compare in that respect to other triggers on the market
The LaRue triggers have a full power hammer as well. In fact when you get a LaRue Triger it comes with two hammer springs. One is a milspec pull weight.
@@rdsii64 the larue has one and only one hammer spring. You can swap the trigger spring, not the hammer spring.
@@a9b4cgd4 Good catch. That's what I meant. I have three of them. You think I would have remembered.
Most of the nickel teflon coated triggers are Schmid Tool triggers rebranded. Schmid tool also makes the best mil-spec lower parts. SOLGW uses their parts in all of their LPK's and a few other companies do as well.
I thought CMMG was best.....
@@mrs.vasquezz I'm sure they're fine, but I believe their supplier is actually Tactical Superiority. Schmid tool is one of the originals though and are absolutely proven, easily recognized by the S stamp on their triggers, safeties, and bolt catches(you might have some already). They provide parts for Colt, BCM, Sionics, SOLGW, and I'm sure many others, but the fact that those brands rely on their parts should tell you something.
@@fajfasjfjdfasj im gonna look at my Parts later tonight
Informative
Our favorite femboy is at it once again
Naw that's Botkin
Hop is the sigma
Gay af
You are weird
Hey man what do you think about the FRT (forced reset trigger)?
You'd probably like the Geissele 3 gun, it's a light single stage, but you're correct Geissele triggers have gotten way too expensive. I've got an ssa, that I put in my pws mk114, back in 2012, but I like 2 stage triggers. It reminds me of a much smoother, lighter, with less take up, and shorter reset version of my Gen 2 G20. That was my first pistol, back in 1996, and and I've gotten used to 2 stage triggers. It was only like $160, when I got the trigger from primary arms, but thought it was expensive at the time. Geissele has gotten a bit big for his britches, with the $240 triggers.
I’ve got a PSA enhanced in one and a rise armament 3.5 lb. in the other. They work
I like 2 stage triggers hence why I specifically searched for one. I do not mind mil spec triggers, but the Larue is much more enjoyable in my book.
The mbt2s I'd the best trigger I've used so far
Let's go ahead and ghost that trigger
Thank you!
I am not a fan of 2 stage triggers either.
What sling is on your 8" Blackout pistol?
So what’s the go to trigger for a defensive gun where reliability is paramount? The ACT?
"Built for night vision use"
I thought holosuns were really bad under NV? Or is there a real difference between the 515 and the 403?
Wow a couple Anderson lowers… everyone craps on them, but I’ve had one and it worked fine.
Can confirm that my BCM came with a Pretty Nice Trigger™
I'm not entirely sure what your opinion was on the cassette single stage gamer trigger. Good, but just not your thing?
I was going for something similar in rise armament's RA 242.
Hop is right that the EPT, ACT and PNT are essentially indistinguishable in actual use. I prefer a 2 stage and the larue is still the best bang for the buck on the market. The. RRA National Match is also extremely good, and still under $100.
man, hop really likes ALG free float rails
What’s the charging handle on your 8” .300 blk?
can you do a video on why you prefer single stage triggers for most of your shooting?
I like the Bravo Company PNT trigger. It's under 70 bucks and is much crisper over the mil spec ones, so it goes in all my rifles if it's in stock. Only time I ever shelled out more for a trigger was a "cassette" type from Rise Armament. It had a flat profile and I just found myself disliking it. Even worse, it 'felt' like the hammer wasn't striking the firing pin hard enough to ignite a cartridge. To clarify, it 'did' work 100% of the time I pulled the trigger, I just didn't have confidence in it holding up to use over time.
They probably only work well on western brand ammo with light primers. It would likely fail to fire on eastern Europe made military hard primers
+1 for the ALG ACT, I own several, but I do like the BCM PNT a little more, partly because it’s historically been a little cheaper, partly because it doesn’t look like it’s made out of aluminum like the ACT does (I know neither are aluminum, I’m talking about the color and finish), and partly because it’s a hair heavier I think.
I have a Geissele, and yeah it’s nice, but yeah it’s WAY, WAY too expensive. Only got it because I needed something decent in a large pin Colt lower I was building into a match-ish DMR-ish A2. I won’t be buying another.
I have two SSA-E triggers. I just got a PSA single stage 2.5lb... damned if it isn't my favorite already
All those Polished Nickel triggers are Schmid Tool. If it has the S roll mark, it's a Schmid, and they are only around $40. Most of what's out there are just rebranded Schmid's.
Larue MBT is the best I have used. Definitely not wirth spending extra coin for the G name
The ALG Act is my favorite!
I kick myself for not buying more and having them on hand🤦♂️
Yeah I run the same dam triggers in all four of my AR-15 and that's the Geissele sd-3g triggers, pricey yes but reliable and great all around and as for ALG triggers they are hands down the best triggers for AK's and shocker that 2 of the best triggers for the AR an AK platforms is produced by Geissele. "The More You Know"
My fav component trigger is the RRA National Match. For the price you can't beat it.
RRA triggers are incredibly smooth. It’s practically a tie between my larue MBT and my old NM. RRA has great triggers and ridiculously accurate barrels. I just wish they had better build practices when it comes to their rifles
How are you liking the latchless charging handle? I just got the same one but haven't used it yet.
I like it. It's not suited for 300blk but it works for 5.56. SI updated it to a newer version since I got one.
I have the flat face trigger... I love it
A milspec AR trigger isn’t too bad but if you’re bench rest shooting or just enjoy a good trigger, the Geissele SSA is really nice. Don’t get some off-brand, gun show special. I’ve had those go full auto on me.
FYI, Right To Bear sells a polished nickel Teflon trigger for $50. It feels pretty much identical to my ACT, at least when running JP Enhanced Reliability springs.
If you have the money geissele is the way to go for anything for serious use if your on a budget then larue is the next best thing . The only exception i would make would be for guns specifically geared towards competitive shooting as there are triggers with a better pull and break than a geissele but they cannot match the reliability of a geissele especially over long periods of time and high round counts
So it's my understanding that Schmid Tool makes the ACT trigger for ALG. If I were to buy a trigger that is actually sold as a Schmid instead of ALG, would they be more or less the same? Or am I wrong?
They're going to be identical. FWIW the Schmid 2stage version of that trigger (also sold under a bunch of different brands i.e. Aero) is pretty damn good an can be had for around $50 if you look.
They make triggers for quite a few brand-name companys. Interestingly enough, I rarely hear anyone speak on it tho. If your trigger has a "S" forging mark on it, it's made by Schmid. I don't know if they are all the same, or some are propriety for specific company's, but I imagine the mil-spec style would be similar
Should try the Rise 140. also the creep reducing grip screws.
I use a BCM PNT
Me and my uncle have cmc I have a 2stage that feels like is really a single and he has a single stage they are really awesome drop in triggers they do cost as much as Geissele though and made in Texas