Dear Ableton Team, I love all the updates in this new version, it looks truly amazing. But there is still one big thing I am missing as a Composer for Film and Media. PLEASE update your film input and add a feature to work in timecode instead of bars in beats. It is the only thing holding me back from exclusively working in Ableton!
Me too. I have to export my work out of ableton (which takes a tediously long time even with an m1pro) and put it all into Logic just to use timecode. I quite naively assumed that timecode would be just around the corner for years now 😢
10 years producers ask: - ARA 2 or another built-in pitch editing. - Bounce and place with one button - PDC delay compensation - Deactivation of plugins (real without CPU load) - Not closing the project when only 1 plugin does not work - Ability to work in 3 projects in different tabs at once - Freezing Groups - Gain on the clip, not inside the clip - More colors and gradient option - Dynamic equalizer (in EQ8 at least add different slope and the ability to see not 12db spectrum) - The ability to drag a sample from the project to the browser and have it appear there as a file, not as a project - Auto tune at least from maxforlive to redo in native. Of this, 89% have other DAWs. And what do we have now? Ableton 10 latest version 10.1.43. Next Ableton 11 latest version Live 11.3. you don't finish versions until they are logically completed. And immediately releases a new one, most likely you have seen how cubase, fl, logic, bitwig, studio one have already shown new functions and even AI. What does Ableton offer? Did we make a visible mixer right away with the arrangement? Browser? These are all starndart functions of any other DAW. You always show the Macbook Pro in your video why you can't open Live and open the other 9 different DAWs and see the CPU load, and understand that Live is very far from being in the lead, if not lagging behind. What comes out? I bought version 10 for $ 749 + $ 249 for an update for version 11 + about $ 200 more for a 12 update and we have a DAW price of about $ 1200 and this is from version 10, and someone with version 9 is even more. And you release 1-2 new functions and serve as if it is a completely new DAW. If you need money you can make updates every year and who needs them would buy them. Or open Donate on the website so that people can give you money, maybe then you will listen to those who bring you money from sales. Do you have a website Ableton.centercode do you go there at all? Try to go there in the offers already a new version of DAW.
UPDATE: Ok, I'll eat my shoe. Live 12 is the most stable, CPU-efficient version I've ever used. Its performance on my M2 Pro Mac Mini is honestly mind-blowing. I feel like I can really trust this software again. --- Some of the new features look cool, but all I care about is having a software I can fully trust on stage. That's why I started using Live in the first place, but the last two versions of Live have gotten progressively worse. This is really all that I want: - No random CPU spikes when the CPU average is low (below 20%). - No sluggish performance in sets with lots of tracks - if a track's devices are turned off and not being used or automated, they shouldn't slow the project down. - Please, please please please, fix the bug that causes CPU spikes when pressing play or skipping around in arrangement mode. If you can fix those three things in Live 12, I'll buy it in a heartbeat.
I feel like Live is heading towards a bit of an identity crisis, where by initially focusing on live use and then gradually trying to better support studio use, it's no longer particularly great at either thing. I wonder whether it would be possible/desirable for Live to offer a "stage mode" and a "studio mode" for the user to choose between, prioritising stability in the former and flexibility in the latter.
@@jackc8120hmmm... not sure what you are refering too... The team at Ableton along with a team of blind users have been working on this for a while now. I'm curious, what is ARA2?
I would love for Ableton to release a major build where the only changes are PERFORMANCE fixes. Address the issues such as projects that crash from only 1 broken plugin, the random CPU spikes, sluggish performance in sets with lots of tracks etc. We already have so many features in Ableton but it's time to get back to basics and really work out the performance kinks that are holding this DAW back. I struggle to engage with your marketing of "spark endless ideas with MIDI tools, creative intuitively in an improve interface, get lost in the sound-shaping potential of new devices" when there is a clear performance barrier that regularly gets in the way and hinders my workflow.
THIS. Nothing kills momentum faster than having to wait 5+ seconds for Ableton to process every single action. What's the point of modern processing power when Ableton slows to a crawl before you even get anywhere close to maxing it out? And that's to say nothing of the brutally long project load times. Bitwig runs circles around Ableton in terms of performance. If it had Ableton's key / scale system I would've made the switch long ago.
i think plugin crashes are not entirely ableton's fault, just saying, i produce in ableton with minimum external plugins and only get a crash like once every three months
Ableton please! 🙏 -Group Freezing/Flattening -Strip Silence -Clip Gain Editing (in arrangement) -Make Pitch Automation a single button or default (tired of digging to get to it every time) -Option for DRY/WET individual control on native plugins
Clip Gain Editing (in arrangement) unless I misunderstand this already is a thing? just double click your audio file and it gives your clip gain fader on the bottom
@@Arxitec i generally stick an Edison or MRecorder on the group and record in real time but that’s an interesting option! Thanks. Just annoying to have to do a workaround.
Mind-blowing that this is just being added. Ableton is amazing for producing music but is so far behind in fundamental areas. Still no destructive audio editing? No ability to vertically zoom all tracks at once without having to select them individually? There's a reason I don't see any top sound designers or mixing/mastering engineers using Ableton. They're missing out on such a huge market.
If you've used other DAWs (Logic, Studio One, Reaper. Maybe FL) When you vertically zoom using the shortcut+mousewheel in the DAW, all tracks resize vertically (maintain proportions the same way the tracks do when you horizontally zoom). In Live you have to select all tracks before using the Alt+Mousewheel to vertically zoom all tracks at the same time. This wastes time is genereally clunky for projects with tons of channels. Not to mention this doesn't work for tracks in a group in Live. Also the vertical zoom in Live has few steps and resizes too dramatically. What you're describing are the shortcuts to optimize height/width and zoom to specific selection which is different. @@arturpompeu
I don't agree. Live is all about workflow, and I see a lot of improvements in that regard that will be revealed (or not) once we start using Live 12. The new Arturia Minifreak style synth and saturation module are nice additions. Personally, I split the $150 upgrade price tag into $50 for the workflow, $50 for the new synth and $50 for the saturation.
@@cstoomeythey did the scummiest thing ever. About 1/2 weeks ago, they increased the price for 11 Suite by 20% (£330). And I thought they only did it to reduce it back on Black Friday. Nah... It was for this "promotion" of free upgrade to 12. But that is the price for 12 suite anyway. The price including the increase. Yeah ... Kinda scummy if you ask me. However, I might pay the £80 for the mid version, as I have Spire/Serum/Kontakt/iZotope MPS 5 (on which I got shafted as they updated everything after 6 months). I don't like Ableton's business model, at all. Btw, if you own any NI plugin they have the Essentials pack for $80-90. Which includes Massive. Bargain I would say.
@@theaspergergamer8650 Untrue. The price actually just rose back up to what it used to be after an extremely long sale. Now, Ableton should be a bit more transparent about their pricing fluctuations in general, I'll give you that. But this really wasn't a price increase.
This is all nice and good but Ableton is still missing some basic quality of life features that basically every other DAW has. Okay we finally got comping and sub-groups in the last versions, but what's about changing the order and having unlimited return tracks, what's about better video implementation, what's about tab to transient. Why can't we have a better Melodyne integration like Studio One has? A better way to sort your plugins, more colors/categories. Better editing tools.
I completely agree!!!!!!!!! But It seems like either Ableton doesnt take our feedback or Ableton doesnt know how to program those... Either way Ive been using Ableton for 10 years but I changed my daw to Logic and only use Ableton very little because of thoese features doesn't exist.
I COULD NOT AGREE MORE. I like the tags they added, but we need our own custom ones too, because a lot of sounds will fall outside of the predetermined tags that they've created and it will make it really difficult to search for them. Plugin sandboxing is another thing. Every single time I've had a project crash with ableton its related to a vst plugin. It would be nice if instead of the DAW it just crashed the audio driver just like it does in bitwig and the project stayed in tact
Ableton is a great product! But I join the comments about the updates. The technical team should take a more careful approach to the issue of user needs. Ableton should be a trendsetter in this race, not a laggard. After the latest update Cubase, Logic and FL - Ableton looks behind.
I bought 9,10 and 11 but I feel like QA is getting worse over time, just fix your stuff first or even better, push them in Live 11 and then get real new features for the right price. Sometimes I need to get back to old intel machine to have a live performance for stability. It crashes randomly on live set so, it's a no buy for me until stuff is working. Ableton, you used to be stable.
Sorry Ableton... Live has been my main (only) DAW for 15 years. But Live11 performed so badly that I basically replaced Live with the Synthstrom Deluge for playing live shows because I simply couldn't trust Live11. I have been upgrading right away from Live 9/10/11 and I am still nostalgic about how well Live8 simply "worked". I have always been on the suite plan and thought Ableton was the only game in town, but this rapid abandonment of 11 before it was even fleshed out has me thinking of looking somewhere else. I don't see anything life changing here and I would have been much happier with some performance improvements for Live11.
@Xavi-Cam Nah... I don't have a PC. I am running Ableton on an old butter churn from the 17th century. 🤣 Jokes aside, I am happy to hear you're having a satisfactory experience with Live. I'm pretty certain my old butter churn isn't the problem, most of the problems I am experiencing have been reported by many others here in the comments, and some even have more modern butter churns than I do. Sometimes the cow just produces funky milk and even the best churns can't convert the cream into butter.
@Xavi-Cam I run Ableton on a few different computers. My main one being a new-ish Macbook pro with 16gb ram and a 2tb SSD drive. The same problems creep up on both computers, CPU spikes, long boot up times, and occasional crashes. Live 9 and 10 both suffered from these and other problems a little when they were first released, but Ableton worked them out. They never worked them out with 11 and just released 12 instead. Ableton is really the only DAW I use and for the studio it is basically fine. But for live playing, I have been leaning on hardware since 11 was not super reliable the way 9 was and 10 eventually became. Like I said, I am glad you're happy with the current performance... Unfortunately I am not.
I've loved Ableton since the beginning and have always defended it. I requested the ARA since version 9 and I waited for 10 then 11 and now 12 and there is still no ARA. goodbye Ableton and thank you for everything 😢
We need: 1. Bounce in place (without having to freeze a track first) 2. Simultaneous clip editing (when not aligned vertically) 3. AUDIO PITCH EDITING!!
This is how I've felt about every Ableton release I've ever witnessed, starting at 10. Maybe it's due to the ancient code base being hard to change, but it seems like ableton adds features half as fast as any other daw and rarely adds anything truly different or groundbreaking. Just a couple of new devices here and there, and minor improvements in workflow that should've been there from the beginning.
Bitwig also seems to ignore feature requests to be honest; they seem to be focusing much more in their modulation devices than improving the DAW. Ignoring users is kind of universal in the music world, honestly.
@@Spomf fl studio has made a lot of crazy updates and all of them are really important and change the process towards simplicity. made tracks, midi scales from qwerty, burn to midi, duplicates. It’s a pity that it’s not possible to import and export tracks and max for live, this is the only thing that now separates fl and ableton, otherwise ableton is worse than all other daws fl have free updates, but ableton can't improve anything. Reason improved their daw, created vst rack, created support for vst and a lot of improvements. but ableton hasn't done anything for years. they can't even review their functions like fl can do
The $300 pricetag for Suite (with the EDU discount) and the removal of Live 11 from all major stores like Sweetwater were telltale signs! That and Push 3! wym?
I can't express how happy I am to finally see the accessibility support in Ableton live! as a legally blind professional musician, the lack of this kind of support created a love and hate for Ableton Live for me. Better late than never! Super excited to trying it out and giving feedback as a disabled power user since v1!
I am somewhat excited for this definitely. But I'd really appreciate it if they allowed for plugin sandboxing like Bitwig does. 99% of the crashes happen because of VST plugins, so it would be nice. I also wish they gave us custom tags. The tags they're adding here, and the colors they added before are great, but custom tags are also super helpful imo, because you might have categories of sound/material that won't fall into the ones they've already created, and it will be really tedious to search for things like that otherwise. And another thing I wish they changed is how the "wet" vs "dry" parts of each effect are treated. It would be nice if the "wet" part of each native effect was able to be processed separately from the "dry". Bitwig does this and I find incredibly helpful and time saving. Overall though, I feel like this update may just be somewhat substantial and I can't wait to try the beta. EDIT: They support custom tags apparently! So that's exciting.
First time I hear of it. Though I should clarify. What I meant when mentioning plugin sandboxing is; when something goes wrong with an external plugin, like a VST, if you had plugins in a sandbox, it would crash the audio driver instead of it crashing the entire DAW of yours. So it's not necessarily related I think. But something like that would save you a lot of time and you wouldn't lose projects due to them being completely unopenable which I've had a lot. Not to mention the cases where Ableton crashed for me and didn't even recover the project on the next launch.
As hyped as I am for this update, I do feel like ableton is loosing to bitwig and I'd love to see that addressed in this update: plugin sandboxing & per plugin delay compensation (maybe not as standard but as an option at least) is a must in my opinion for any DAW power user in 2023. I hope they address this at some point! I do think the features they showed of are very cool especially MIDI editing!
@@foljs5858 I think he means per track maybe ? If I recall correctly on Live 11 before I switched to Bitwig, let's say you record a piano and add like Soothe 2, linear phase eqs etc. (that add a big delay), all the tracks in the project will now compensate for the biggest delay value, making MIDI recordings on other tracks basically impossible afterwards without turning off these plug-ins or switching to minimum phase when you can. I don't know how these things work exactly but with Bitwig the delayed tracks are compensated for the playback yet if you record on another track that has no delay it is perfectly responsive.
@@foljs5858 currently in ableton plugin delay is compensated between the start of the chain and the end, not per plugin. this might be better in live settings where every bit of latency counts but is has some major issues with time synced effects like LFO tool or Shaperbox. They don't recieve a delay compensated signal and thus are out of sync with the project.
@@Asyrion nope I mean per plugin. Talking about multiple tracks is a whole other can of worms. Essentially right now each track performs a single delay compensation calculation for the entire chain, without compensating in between plugins. Other DAW's do compensate between plugins. This means that in ableton, time synced effects (for example anything using an LFO) will run out of sync with the playback on the track if another plugin is introducing a delay before it. In other DAW's this doesn't happen. (try a linear phase EQ followed by LFO tool for an example). Overal project compensation does take into account all tracks and will compensate any track to the highest delay to sync between tracks, that's all fine. I don't see any issues with that. I have issues with the way an individidual track is being compensated. All fo this is from personal experience & testing. I don't have access to the source code of ableton believe it or not so I'm just speculating :)
1. Starting with ableton Live 11.2, the size of the dual-monitor midi editor cannot be fixed in full size When asked by Ableton they said this was what it was meant to be I really don’t understand If Live 12 doesn’t fix it, i won’t update it 2. I want to tell Ableton, “don’t pretend you don‘t know about melodyne ARA” If it’s not that, I hope that “ableton” makes its own vocal tunes editor 3. Personally, I think the 11.1.6 version is the most stable on Live 11 Starting from 11.2, I felt like it was getting weird and broken 4 I think it’s time to be more faithful to the basics that more DAWs have in common than to release new features, as many people say 5.It‘s just my opinion, but when I look at the updates on Live 11 and 12, I also think that the key personnel at ableton have recently gone somewhere. In the past, ableton felt like a pioneer in this industry, but now it feels like growth has stopped compared to FL Studios and Logic There are a lot of personal templates on Ableton Live, so it's not easy to move to another Daw
This doesn’t feel like a full version upgrade to me either. It’s missing many highly requested features, including the ability to apply plugins to individual clips. I’ve been an Ableton user for over a decade, but it’s getting hard to cope now that we’re missing features that plenty of other DAWs provide. Ableton is already years late to the game with ARA support.
I love how homie is like “yo this software we paid for is over $700 USD so when a new version drops we expect basic shit that weve been asking for, for years” and yall are essentially telling mans to go cry about it. Bunch of bootlickers i stg, white knight mfs
I would love to see a single clip freeze and flat function in the arranger. FL has this since years. For example you hover over a midi clip right mouse click and then select freeze and it will put it in a new audio lane.
@@flowercalls I just freeze (without flattening) all the time since I do production music and often am requested to do edits by the publisher. this way if I need to edit the midi in that part, or patch sound, etc.. I can. Once the track is accepted I can freeze and flatten.
Thank you very much Ableton Live. Just as you have created excellent software for those who see. Now they also thought of people with disabilities. Already do amazing things with Reaper. Now I will be able to use your product as well. Now there is a criticism of some people there. with this selfishness and all mocking. I can already see its bright future, a whole heart -atrophied heart that cannot get new orizonte. And I really cry, I cry with joy. Thank you Ableton Live for programming software for those who see and for those who do not see. success!
Elisabeth Homeland has created a max for live device to fix this. I think it's like $10. Just look up that name on UA-cam and you'll find their channel. Ableton should have implemented this themselves about 10 years ago but instead independent developers are solving these problems.
I eagerly await for the day that the Ableton team blesses their software with the simple yet underrated capability to use VIDEO with no issues so I can score to picture. More and more it seems like a far off dream...
There's a codec you can download and it works. I've used it to score. You can't edit the video. but making music to a reference video is easy. Find the Ableton page about using video and you're golden.
This should be an upgrade in ableton 11. You look like apple now, upgrading every 2-3 years to get our money. I have been upgrading with you since ableton 8 suite but it time to say no more money for you guys
I have already paid for my upgrade, I don't find it strange or controversial that a company needs to charge for new features now and then. At the rate of 1 upgrade every 3 years comes to about 50 EUR/year in upgrade costs over time for Suite (with the %20 early upgrade discount) which isn't that much at all for a advanced software such as Live.
First substantial Ableton update in a while, I'm looking forward to experiment the new features! But, there's one thing not addressed in the video or in a changelog that you guys really should, and it's PERFORMANCE! Since Ableton 11 I'm constantly dealing with cpu spikes and stuttering, while in v10 my projects always go flawless.
Don’t do scoring in ableton man 🙈 it’s just not built for it. It’s a horribly optimised daw for any large scale project. You’ll reach the bottleneck soon I’m just warning you myself.
@@NakulKrishnaI know, but I first started using ableton 12 years ago, and only a couple of years ago I got into video scoring. It’s painful to throw away so much experience and muscle memory😢. Currently I export my work to Logic and use timecode there
Quick tip. If you use insert effects instead of returns, then you can uncheck "render with return and master FX" and then the stem export is way quicker. Without master effects on the stems, it can render the track just once and just save all the stems. If stems have to have master effects on them, it needs to re-render the whole track for each stem and that's what's taking it so long.
Please add : - Group Freezing - Song Section Overview Lane in Arrangement View (Optionally Activateable) - FX Order Randomizer Thanks for what you added to 12. Its pricey though. But im very interested in how it will change how Live is used, cause of the special updates it brings to the software :)
@@lusid_music_uk Yeah strip silence / cutting up a long recording with the help of a volume threshold met, for multisampled instruments making and such things... its weird that so easy seeming additions are just lacking. But im super stoked to try how the new features and updates it got, push my process :)
I really dont understand why Ableton seems so bad at taking our feedbacks... and always dissapoints us when there's new updates... We will have to see more depth what acutallly changed and improved but based on this video, it should've been maybe 11.6 updates. WE NEED all these features that all the other DAW supports! I can go on and on about what I want but now Ive given up at this point. Why is it always so hard for Ableton to see what the users actually want....? After using Ableton for 10 years I moved to a different DAW last year and sadly I thought to myself... why didnt i change it sooner...? I was very excited about Ableton 12 hoping maybe I will use it again but... so far... im not sure if I will come back... such a exciting day but dissapointing day at the same time :(.....
It's non-existent. Ableton doesn't care. I was reading a forum recently where people were asking for destructive audio editing and detailed audio file view in 2011...
Live 8 - April 2nd 2009 Live 9 - March 5th 2013 Live 10 - February 6 2018 Live 11 - February 23 2021 Live 12 - Early 2024 Live 8 to live 10 took almost 9 years. Live 10 to Live 12 has taken 6 years. Live 11 felt like a cash grab upgrade, and now this. Whatever happened to at least one big free update like 9.5? I don’t even own the new Push 3 but just screw anyone who purchased it + a full license I guess? I love Ableton Live, but this company feels like it’s just trying to squeeze the most amount of money out of us by providing the least amount of value for that money at this point. Saying this as someone who bought Live 10 Suite on launch day, and upgraded to 11 suite during pre-launch.
If you _really_ want something like Splice built in, FL Studio 21.2 with FL Cloud is probably the DAW for you... But if you're sticking with Ableton for the time being, don't let that be an inspiration killer for you: - You can fit most samples to any song by pitch-shifting the sample to your song's key. - If your sample is in F major and you need something in E minor, you can do something like transpose the sample +2 semitones to G major as this scale shares the same notes as E minor. - If you have a G major chord over an E minor track, the D in G major will function as an extension so the whole thing will still sound like E minor (+ a minor seventh) - You can chop the audio and pitch-shift certain slices to fit your scale, or exchange them for other slices of audio that do fit your scale - You can sometimes also Filter out / EQ out some frequencies that don't fit (this applies to sub layers and high lead tops mostly) - You can combine the last two methods do isolate parts of the samples and layer them together to make chords that fit your track Etc... The demand for ready-made loops really breaks my heart, i wish sampling remained a transformative artistic expression
I think everyone needs strip silence without using any max or other stuff... and also a function where you can bypassed all the plugins just like similiar to pro tools or logic, thanks I love u.
How many synthesisers do you think I need, Ableton? Didn't we *just* have Drift? It's nice to see you finally adding some QoL features for once - via a paid update, of course - but seriously, priorities...!
I assume you mean your priorities?! Of Ableton's x hundreds of thousands of users, not all of them have the same priorities. Further up, someone is screaming for video support. I have to tell you honestly, even if that only came in 20 years, it would still be soon enough for me personally
@@iBananenjoghurt My reply seems to have been deleted. I can only speak for my own priorities, though if you want an indication of the userbase's most common priorities you can check the most popular tickets over on Ableton's Centercode. But I think it's reasonable to suggest that Ableton should be prioritising improvements to the core functionality and user experience of Live over features that can already be easily attained using plugins. If I want yet another synthesiser, there are hundreds of VSTs out there that will do the job admirably, many of them free - I only have to choose one. If I want to be able to freeze groups in Live, there's not a VST in the world that can help me. All I can do is upvote the relevant Centercode ticket, cross my fingers, and hope that Ableton opts to spend some of their development resources on group freezing instead of on yet another synthesiser.
@@iBananenjoghurt I think there is video support, it's just very badly implemented. I had to download some codec and it was very non-intuitive (for Windows). But, at least it does work
@@iBananenjoghurtNaw, it's a bigger sub section of abletons user base than you'd think. I know of some film composers who use it for their work. There are lots of basic editing functions that Ableton just doesn't have that speed things up quite a bit. Very cool software but midi implementation / editing is severely lacking.
I really would like to see Ableton invest in a preset browsing standard API for all VSTs. Something similar to Native Instruments' NKS standard with more fluid device control. You shouldn't need an Arturia or Native Instruments midi controller to have full control of their plugins. It should be handled by the DAW in my opinion.
That’s probably more of an Arturia thing, right? I want this too, but that’s the big selling point for buying an Arturia MIDI controller, so why are they going to open that up to Ableton?
@@robertgarvansnyder4665 I think it would make Arturia's selling point even stronger. If you like the feel of Arturia controllers, now you'd have great control of all VSTs, not just Arturia's! Also, Arturia's plug-ins support the NKS standard, so they've already opened that up to a direct competitor.
Some cool new minor features, but nothing looks game-changing "changing". I could care less to see the mixer in the arrangement view, takes up more space on that screen. Like FL has that new mastering feature where you can match RMS and LUFs levels in your final output (built into the DAW). I was hoping for something cool like that. Wonder when Ableton will ever fix their pitch feature...
read the room. and it's barely an update, not an update people asked for that's for sure.. just honestly crazy minor things in relation to what actually needs fixing.. and i bet they're gonna charge another big upgrade fee as well for this. not really creative, not really hard work.. just laziness and wanting to get something out for the sake of headlines or something, but that's not how it works ableton, you guys gotta listen to what people actually want. lmho
Add the lazy chop feature that comes with Push to the Live sampler natively. There’s already devices/max devices that do it. It would be such a simple addition and really welcome in the sampling world.
This is disappointing. These are welcomed additions but I expected more. This should have been an 11.5 update IMO. I’ll prolly skip this update tbh. Things I want to see: - Group track freeze - better audio editing - audio tuning - bounce in place - an answer to FL’s stem separation - An answer to FL’s AI mastering - ARA - Collaboration features - Dolby Atmos - More workflow and quality of life focused features!
It would be nice to see them implement their own pitch correction right in the DAW without having to use Melodyne. Reason has had this feature for years now.
Destructive audio editing within detailed audio clip view? Ability to vertical zoom all tracks in project without having to individually select them first? There are just fundamental DAW features that people have requested. I desperately want Ableton to care about mix engineers. Edit: Default vertical zooming may have changed? Here's the release notes. "A new toggle to the right of the Time Ruler can be used to switch on vertical waveform zooming for all audio clip waveforms. There is also a slider to set the zoom factor, which can be applied in x (multiplied by) or dB (which can be selected using the right-click context menu)"
Same… and an actually functioning delay compensation feature with movable return tracks would be nice. But who are we…? Just a few morons who payed for a product hoping for the company to listen to our feedbacks
I've honestly never seen a major company so resistant to user feedback. It's almost like they don't have any audio engineers working on Ableton development.@@hokkym.6348
That neural search for similar sounds, beyond drums, is awesome! It’s also like an invisible/tansparent way to organize your sounds/samples. In the video, it starts with a girl sampling instruments; with Ableton new neural understanding of sound, I expect (and dare I say soon?) A new version of their Sampler which can listen to you playing an instrument, maybe in a set way, and recognize, classify and organize all the different notes/tones and velocities/intensities into a virtual instrument, automatically, maybe with legatos too. It actually doesn’t seem that hard to make such a sampler, since most of the work in creating a virtual instrument is tediously mechanical and repetitive. This Would be a massive game changer. If Ableton does this, I hope they will create a Sampler community/ecosystem like Spitfire Audio did with Pianobook. That would create massive and continuous attention and engagement for Ableton, at virtually no cost to them. Imaginations gone wild!
Come on guys 160 bucks for an upgrade that mainly gives you a little bit more usability, is a little bit on the rough side. Don´t get me wrong, good features but the price point is off...
@@fmjfjtykckfm Bro could have ten thousands of dollars laying around in the bank. You're just assuming that he's complaining because he's short on money. Why not assume he's complaining out of principle? I purchased the highest edition of fl studio at 21. I'm not paying or subscribing for simple updates though.
@@20thingsgoing62 ooooooh, so you can split up your loops...I see. yea who cares, just find another loop there are 700 trillion loops around. or just learn to re create the damn PART!!!
I think Ableton doesn't care about what their users need and instead focus on financial gain. This feels like a minor update and not a new version of Live. When are we going to see features such as : - pitch correction tools - proper PDC - group freezing - a way to turn off indexing when needed (indexing slows the computer a lot, especially if you use hdd's) or switch to the old type browser which didn't scan the samples - built-in bridge for 32 bit plugins (yes, people still use them!) etc. And even after all these updates the "pitch automation glitch" inside a midi clip is still not fixed etc.
Interesting, some max4live devices (or their functionality) looks like its "built in" and the few new plug ins and MIDI editing would make me think this is an 11.4.x update, rather than a paid Live 12 update. Are there custom key commands? Is there proper PDC on the channels? Per clip inserts? Is there multiple audio clip editing? Built in bounce in place? Built in delta solo for every plug in instance? In any case, good to see Live 12, but I'll pay again at Live 13 and "skip" paying for each update.
@@nonickname9010 yeah but the positive from Ableton's new strategy is that Live 13 will come in a couple of years and I can skip paying for Live 12. I have max4live devices that do a lot (and even more) from what is shown so far, in Live 12, so I am fine waiting.
same thoughts about skipping. they just recently solved the laggy UI issue due to the new warping algorithm, which caused me to not update to 11.3 for about six months, and now it's been another six months and they're announcing 12. I had a feeling the whole time I was using 11 that it was raw and unfinished, but as soon as I waited for a relatively stable version, they release 12
The browser tagging and midi features look most exciting and interesting to me. Though the tagging system is a bit late to the game. Having a legit bounce/render in place is a welcome addition (finally!), tired of having to create new tracks and set up routing every time I want to bounce midi. Wondering if it will also work in real-time, for the use of bouncing hardware synths and outboard gear. The mixer still looks pretty underwhelming and is one of the primary reasons I won't even bother mixing in Ableton (I just bounce out and mix in Pro Tools). Nice that you can see it on the arrangement view, but it's still basically some faders and a few knobs. Sends are still really vague, "A and B" whatever that is... I would love to see Ableton do a full refresh of the mixer so you can see all your routing, inserts, sends and busses at a glance. Super handy for comparing and copying between tracks, and simply being able to see what is going where at a glance.
Amazing update, congratulations!. One thing thou, the "Generate" tab in the clip windows should come before the "Transform", I mean first you generate and then you transform. Other than that, DOPE!!!
Added unnecessary stuff and ignored the most important ones like stability, performance and the little things that make it a pain to use. I might just switch to another DAW.
The piano roll was precisely a major pain point they addressed in this update. Also this may age wrong but i suspect the reason the feature list doesn't seem that long or flashy is because they worked on improvements under the hood
Hold up... this is supposed to be a major release version "Live 12" and yet you guys didn't even bother adding some of the most requested features?! BETTER AUDIO WORKFLOW - NO BRAINER LIST (Requested by users for the past 5+ years over and over...) 1. Clip gain - directly on audio clips in the playlist for quick adjustments 2. Bounce in place 3. Group freezing 4. ARA support Who is calling the shots at Ableton? how did this get approved as a major version release? it's a joke. Whoever said let's make some UI enhancements and add a few browser and piano roll updates and call it "Live 12" is robbing everyone. Should of waited another year until you at least implemented even ONE of the features I listed to at least justify it as a major release. This ain't it....
Still can't route separate midi channels to different midi tracks from multi-out VSTs? Just basically a single midi channel for each multi-out VST still?
if a midi clip is cut and the note does not start in the clip, it will disappear, it is very annoying to look for the beginning every time and move it to the beginning of the clip. in fl studio it works fine
just installed live 12. @ABleton did you seriously drop the buttons in the right bottom corner to dosplay different mixercomponents but added the buttons h and w (which on clicking has the same result as pressing h or w) ? WHY?
i'm sorry. what are you DOING with your instance of ableton that it's crashing? 😂 i use it mission critical about every day, with audiences, and it's stable as granite. is it third party plugins?
How about a feature to export a text file summary of all plugs, patches and audio files used on a project. So if you have to come back to a project a few years later and you've since done some updates/upgrades it's easier to track down whatever is missing.
Thanks for the suggestion, we've forwarded it to our respective team! Feel free to also have a look at the following Knowledge Base article to find out how to best submit feature requests to us in the future: bit.ly/3SUwPip We're looking forward to more of your ideas!
Dear Ableton Team,
I love all the updates in this new version, it looks truly amazing.
But there is still one big thing I am missing as a Composer for Film and Media. PLEASE update your film input and add a feature to work in timecode instead of bars in beats. It is the only thing holding me back from exclusively working in Ableton!
I'm using a vst plugin cause the ableton video support is so bad
@@tehpeasantwhat vst you are using ?
agree so much with you, waiting for it for several years
@@tehpeasant can you tell the name of the plugin?
Me too. I have to export my work out of ableton (which takes a tediously long time even with an m1pro) and put it all into Logic just to use timecode. I quite naively assumed that timecode would be just around the corner for years now 😢
10 years producers ask:
- ARA 2 or another built-in pitch editing.
- Bounce and place with one button
- PDC delay compensation
- Deactivation of plugins (real without CPU load)
- Not closing the project when only 1 plugin does not work
- Ability to work in 3 projects in different tabs at once
- Freezing Groups
- Gain on the clip, not inside the clip
- More colors and gradient option
- Dynamic equalizer (in EQ8 at least add different slope and the ability to see not 12db spectrum)
- The ability to drag a sample from the project to the browser and have it appear there as a file, not as a project
- Auto tune at least from maxforlive to redo in native.
Of this, 89% have other DAWs. And what do we have now? Ableton 10 latest version 10.1.43. Next Ableton 11 latest version Live 11.3. you don't finish versions until they are logically completed. And immediately releases a new one, most likely you have seen how cubase, fl, logic, bitwig, studio one have already shown new functions and even AI. What does Ableton offer? Did we make a visible mixer right away with the arrangement? Browser? These are all starndart functions of any other DAW. You always show the Macbook Pro in your video why you can't open Live and open the other 9 different DAWs and see the CPU load, and understand that Live is very far from being in the lead, if not lagging behind.
What comes out? I bought version 10 for $ 749 + $ 249 for an update for version 11 + about $ 200 more for a 12 update and we have a DAW price of about $ 1200 and this is from version 10, and someone with version 9 is even more. And you release 1-2 new functions and serve as if it is a completely new DAW. If you need money you can make updates every year and who needs them would buy them. Or open Donate on the website so that people can give you money, maybe then you will listen to those who bring you money from sales. Do you have a website Ableton.centercode do you go there at all? Try to go there in the offers already a new version of DAW.
almost everything you said its already implemented, you may not have seen it before but yes
No bounce in place feature, No ARA2@@sunkeet230
@@sunkeet230please tell me what of that is implemented because i have produced for 10 years as well and don’t see many of them in ableton
@@benavanzato5127 does FL even have ARA2, i mean it has Newtone but it's not even that good
@@benavanzato5127 man’s probably gonna mention some workarounds
UPDATE: Ok, I'll eat my shoe. Live 12 is the most stable, CPU-efficient version I've ever used. Its performance on my M2 Pro Mac Mini is honestly mind-blowing. I feel like I can really trust this software again.
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Some of the new features look cool, but all I care about is having a software I can fully trust on stage. That's why I started using Live in the first place, but the last two versions of Live have gotten progressively worse. This is really all that I want:
- No random CPU spikes when the CPU average is low (below 20%).
- No sluggish performance in sets with lots of tracks - if a track's devices are turned off and not being used or automated, they shouldn't slow the project down.
- Please, please please please, fix the bug that causes CPU spikes when pressing play or skipping around in arrangement mode.
If you can fix those three things in Live 12, I'll buy it in a heartbeat.
I feel like Live is heading towards a bit of an identity crisis, where by initially focusing on live use and then gradually trying to better support studio use, it's no longer particularly great at either thing. I wonder whether it would be possible/desirable for Live to offer a "stage mode" and a "studio mode" for the user to choose between, prioritising stability in the former and flexibility in the latter.
If you want stability stay with 10
@@onlyafoundling omg this is such a good idea!!! but Ableton never takes our feedback i feel like...
Ableton has the worst CPU usage across whole market of DAWs. Im switching to Bitwig.
@@onlyafoundlingpress tab, it'll blow your mind
I love the fact that its now fully accessible to users who are blind. I'm super excited! Always wanted to use the software... and now I can.
Wow! Accessibility in instruments and DAWs?! Has the world gone MAD?! That's excellent.
They focus on one blind person to use the software and miss ARA2 support that millions want. Backwards marketing paln.
@@jackc8120hmmm... not sure what you are refering too... The team at Ableton along with a team of blind users have been working on this for a while now. I'm curious, what is ARA2?
@@jackc8120 sometimes humanity is more important than mere practical pragmatism, you know.
@@theoldleafybeardyes, this is why ableton is already working on Braille in version 13 according to the recent leaks.
I would love for Ableton to release a major build where the only changes are PERFORMANCE fixes. Address the issues such as projects that crash from only 1 broken plugin, the random CPU spikes, sluggish performance in sets with lots of tracks etc. We already have so many features in Ableton but it's time to get back to basics and really work out the performance kinks that are holding this DAW back. I struggle to engage with your marketing of "spark endless ideas with MIDI tools, creative intuitively in an improve interface, get lost in the sound-shaping potential of new devices" when there is a clear performance barrier that regularly gets in the way and hinders my workflow.
THIS. Nothing kills momentum faster than having to wait 5+ seconds for Ableton to process every single action. What's the point of modern processing power when Ableton slows to a crawl before you even get anywhere close to maxing it out? And that's to say nothing of the brutally long project load times. Bitwig runs circles around Ableton in terms of performance. If it had Ableton's key / scale system I would've made the switch long ago.
Live 10 somehow runs way worse than 8. But I'm also not going to pay more than 200 bucks just for Ableton to fix their software
+1
i think plugin crashes are not entirely ableton's fault, just saying, i produce in ableton with minimum external plugins and only get a crash like once every three months
buy a better computer...
Ableton please! 🙏
-Group Freezing/Flattening
-Strip Silence
-Clip Gain Editing (in arrangement)
-Make Pitch Automation a single button or default (tired of digging to get to it every time)
-Option for DRY/WET individual control on native plugins
yes for all the above, specially group freezing!
Easy clip gain is why I migrated over to Cubase from Ableton. Very powerful editing tool.
while it might not be exactly the workflow you want, use a compressor on an audio track sidechain from the group (post fx) and then audition. Freeze
Clip Gain Editing (in arrangement) unless I misunderstand this already is a thing? just double click your audio file and it gives your clip gain fader on the bottom
@@Arxitec i generally stick an Edison or MRecorder on the group and record in real time but that’s an interesting option! Thanks. Just annoying to have to do a workaround.
Now I can see the mixer in arrangement view. Revolutionary!
FINALLY
Mind-blowing that this is just being added. Ableton is amazing for producing music but is so far behind in fundamental areas.
Still no destructive audio editing? No ability to vertically zoom all tracks at once without having to select them individually?
There's a reason I don't see any top sound designers or mixing/mastering engineers using Ableton. They're missing out on such a huge market.
not sure what you mean about "zoom all tracks at once", but have u ever tried to use the keys "Z, W and H"? @@matthewbcarter
FL Studio has had this for years
If you've used other DAWs (Logic, Studio One, Reaper. Maybe FL) When you vertically zoom using the shortcut+mousewheel in the DAW, all tracks resize vertically (maintain proportions the same way the tracks do when you horizontally zoom).
In Live you have to select all tracks before using the Alt+Mousewheel to vertically zoom all tracks at the same time. This wastes time is genereally clunky for projects with tons of channels. Not to mention this doesn't work for tracks in a group in Live. Also the vertical zoom in Live has few steps and resizes too dramatically.
What you're describing are the shortcuts to optimize height/width and zoom to specific selection which is different. @@arturpompeu
For a major release, this feels a bit underwhelming and all over the place. Some smaller features sound cool but I don't think I will upgrade.
It's what Ableton 11 should have been
I don't agree. Live is all about workflow, and I see a lot of improvements in that regard that will be revealed (or not) once we start using Live 12. The new Arturia Minifreak style synth and saturation module are nice additions. Personally, I split the $150 upgrade price tag into $50 for the workflow, $50 for the new synth and $50 for the saturation.
@@bosbolo +1
I feel the upgrade price is a little unreasonable
How much?
@@cstoomeythey did the scummiest thing ever. About 1/2 weeks ago, they increased the price for 11 Suite by 20% (£330). And I thought they only did it to reduce it back on Black Friday. Nah... It was for this "promotion" of free upgrade to 12. But that is the price for 12 suite anyway. The price including the increase. Yeah ... Kinda scummy if you ask me. However, I might pay the £80 for the mid version, as I have Spire/Serum/Kontakt/iZotope MPS 5 (on which I got shafted as they updated everything after 6 months). I don't like Ableton's business model, at all. Btw, if you own any NI plugin they have the Essentials pack for $80-90. Which includes Massive. Bargain I would say.
Highly
@@theaspergergamer8650 Untrue. The price actually just rose back up to what it used to be after an extremely long sale. Now, Ableton should be a bit more transparent about their pricing fluctuations in general, I'll give you that. But this really wasn't a price increase.
@@JT-hs6hc i had the upgrade option, to Suite, for £279, for more than a year. Essentially, since I checked for the first time the upgrade.
This is all nice and good but Ableton is still missing some basic quality of life features that basically every other DAW has.
Okay we finally got comping and sub-groups in the last versions, but what's about changing the order and having unlimited return tracks, what's about better video implementation, what's about tab to transient. Why can't we have a better Melodyne integration like Studio One has? A better way to sort your plugins, more colors/categories. Better editing tools.
I completely agree!!!!!!!!! But It seems like either Ableton doesnt take our feedback or Ableton doesnt know how to program those... Either way Ive been using Ableton for 10 years but I changed my daw to Logic and only use Ableton very little because of thoese features doesn't exist.
"A better way to sort your plugins, more colors/categories." THISS !!!! The 7 colors they gave us is NOT ENOUGH
You can’t even edit audio clips.
Agree
I COULD NOT AGREE MORE. I like the tags they added, but we need our own custom ones too, because a lot of sounds will fall outside of the predetermined tags that they've created and it will make it really difficult to search for them.
Plugin sandboxing is another thing. Every single time I've had a project crash with ableton its related to a vst plugin. It would be nice if instead of the DAW it just crashed the audio driver just like it does in bitwig and the project stayed in tact
There is a very long list of bugs, which are unfixed in Live 11 since launch. Please give me a reason to spend money on Live 12 now.
You can now move a modulated parameter
Ableton is a great product!
But I join the comments about the updates.
The technical team should take a more careful approach to the issue of user needs.
Ableton should be a trendsetter in this race, not a laggard.
After the latest update Cubase, Logic and FL - Ableton looks behind.
ffs
Just two things i'd love to see
1. Option to hide tracks
2. Point and adjust values with mouse wheel
Hope they are coming soon.
I bought 9,10 and 11 but I feel like QA is getting worse over time, just fix your stuff first or even better, push them in Live 11 and then get real new features for the right price. Sometimes I need to get back to old intel machine to have a live performance for stability. It crashes randomly on live set so, it's a no buy for me until stuff is working. Ableton, you used to be stable.
Same feeling
Sorry Ableton... Live has been my main (only) DAW for 15 years. But Live11 performed so badly that I basically replaced Live with the Synthstrom Deluge for playing live shows because I simply couldn't trust Live11. I have been upgrading right away from Live 9/10/11 and I am still nostalgic about how well Live8 simply "worked". I have always been on the suite plan and thought Ableton was the only game in town, but this rapid abandonment of 11 before it was even fleshed out has me thinking of looking somewhere else.
I don't see anything life changing here and I would have been much happier with some performance improvements for Live11.
This +1
@Xavi-Cam Nah... I don't have a PC. I am running Ableton on an old butter churn from the 17th century. 🤣
Jokes aside, I am happy to hear you're having a satisfactory experience with Live.
I'm pretty certain my old butter churn isn't the problem, most of the problems I am experiencing have been reported by many others here in the comments, and some even have more modern butter churns than I do. Sometimes the cow just produces funky milk and even the best churns can't convert the cream into butter.
@Xavi-Cam I run Ableton on a few different computers. My main one being a new-ish Macbook pro with 16gb ram and a 2tb SSD drive.
The same problems creep up on both computers, CPU spikes, long boot up times, and occasional crashes.
Live 9 and 10 both suffered from these and other problems a little when they were first released, but Ableton worked them out. They never worked them out with 11 and just released 12 instead.
Ableton is really the only DAW I use and for the studio it is basically fine. But for live playing, I have been leaning on hardware since 11 was not super reliable the way 9 was and 10 eventually became.
Like I said, I am glad you're happy with the current performance... Unfortunately I am not.
I've loved Ableton since the beginning and have always defended it. I requested the ARA since version 9 and I waited for 10 then 11 and now 12 and there is still no ARA. goodbye Ableton and thank you for everything 😢
What is ARA
@@1eidji652melodyne implementation
Man ARA is my biggest request
Same, what is ARA? Ive seen tons of people requesting it
Searching with a search engine seems to be something worth giving a try en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_Random_Access
Bounce in Place still not implemented…wake up Ableton.
We need:
1. Bounce in place (without having to freeze a track first)
2. Simultaneous clip editing (when not aligned vertically)
3. AUDIO PITCH EDITING!!
Yeeees!!!
I like the new stuff but this should have been in Ableton 11. From all the feature requests Ableton ignores it makes me want to try Bitwig
It is not that expensive, go for it.
Get is i use it now all the time im hooked. Its ableton but much better. My workflow is so freaking fast with this daw
This is how I've felt about every Ableton release I've ever witnessed, starting at 10. Maybe it's due to the ancient code base being hard to change, but it seems like ableton adds features half as fast as any other daw and rarely adds anything truly different or groundbreaking. Just a couple of new devices here and there, and minor improvements in workflow that should've been there from the beginning.
Bitwig also seems to ignore feature requests to be honest; they seem to be focusing much more in their modulation devices than improving the DAW.
Ignoring users is kind of universal in the music world, honestly.
@@Spomf fl studio has made a lot of crazy updates and all of them are really important and change the process towards simplicity. made tracks, midi scales from qwerty, burn to midi, duplicates. It’s a pity that it’s not possible to import and export tracks and max for live, this is the only thing that now separates fl and ableton, otherwise ableton is worse than all other daws fl have free updates, but ableton can't improve anything. Reason improved their daw, created vst rack, created support for vst and a lot of improvements. but ableton hasn't done anything for years. they can't even review their functions like fl can do
Ableton - please fix / solve or find a way to accurately bulk bounce stems from projects that use a bunch of Group Tracks / Busses. 👍
I just love how Ableton major updates come suddenly out of nowhere!
The $300 pricetag for Suite (with the EDU discount) and the removal of Live 11 from all major stores like Sweetwater were telltale signs! That and Push 3! wym?
Out of no where but released in 2025 LOL
Shit, I bought the live 11 suite yesterday
Yup, I love having another thing I need to spend £180 on. Really makes my day
@@fabro5814I think you can get 12 for free since you bought 11 recently. I'm not sure though.
Of course they implement a new granular synth before ara. Pls listen to the community, I’m your biggest fan but this is really upsetting
Plus the granular synth is taken from m4l device.
Granular synth are a fantastic thing
What’s ARA?
An extension type to enable support for Melodyne
I can't express how happy I am to finally see the accessibility support in Ableton live! as a legally blind professional musician, the lack of this kind of support created a love and hate for Ableton Live for me. Better late than never! Super excited to trying it out and giving feedback as a disabled power user since v1!
Enjoy!
I legit read that as legally blonde... I think I need an eye test myself...
I am somewhat excited for this definitely. But I'd really appreciate it if they allowed for plugin sandboxing like Bitwig does. 99% of the crashes happen because of VST plugins, so it would be nice.
I also wish they gave us custom tags. The tags they're adding here, and the colors they added before are great, but custom tags are also super helpful imo, because you might have categories of sound/material that won't fall into the ones they've already created, and it will be really tedious to search for things like that otherwise.
And another thing I wish they changed is how the "wet" vs "dry" parts of each effect are treated. It would be nice if the "wet" part of each native effect was able to be processed separately from the "dry". Bitwig does this and I find incredibly helpful and time saving.
Overall though, I feel like this update may just be somewhat substantial and I can't wait to try the beta.
EDIT: They support custom tags apparently! So that's exciting.
Have you tried Audio Gridder? Run the client and server on your local machine. It helps a ton and gives you more performance.
First time I hear of it. Though I should clarify. What I meant when mentioning plugin sandboxing is; when something goes wrong with an external plugin, like a VST, if you had plugins in a sandbox, it would crash the audio driver instead of it crashing the entire DAW of yours. So it's not necessarily related I think. But something like that would save you a lot of time and you wouldn't lose projects due to them being completely unopenable which I've had a lot. Not to mention the cases where Ableton crashed for me and didn't even recover the project on the next launch.
audiogridder is plugin sandboxing and more @@Arrvss.
❤..yeah....well...well....well..🤙
........dreaming is allowed.........
They won't ever do this. That would require updating their codebase, which is from 2006. It's why all the good devs left to make Bitwig.
As hyped as I am for this update, I do feel like ableton is loosing to bitwig and I'd love to see that addressed in this update: plugin sandboxing & per plugin delay compensation (maybe not as standard but as an option at least) is a must in my opinion for any DAW power user in 2023. I hope they address this at some point! I do think the features they showed of are very cool especially MIDI editing!
It does have plugin delay compensation. What would "per plugin delay compensation" mean? Isn't it already "per plugin"?
@@foljs5858People asking for stuff like "I wish it had a Pause button!!!! 🙏🙏🙏" perplex me.
@@foljs5858 I think he means per track maybe ?
If I recall correctly on Live 11 before I switched to Bitwig, let's say you record a piano and add like Soothe 2, linear phase eqs etc. (that add a big delay), all the tracks in the project will now compensate for the biggest delay value, making MIDI recordings on other tracks basically impossible afterwards without turning off these plug-ins or switching to minimum phase when you can.
I don't know how these things work exactly but with Bitwig the delayed tracks are compensated for the playback yet if you record on another track that has no delay it is perfectly responsive.
@@foljs5858 currently in ableton plugin delay is compensated between the start of the chain and the end, not per plugin. this might be better in live settings where every bit of latency counts but is has some major issues with time synced effects like LFO tool or Shaperbox. They don't recieve a delay compensated signal and thus are out of sync with the project.
@@Asyrion nope I mean per plugin. Talking about multiple tracks is a whole other can of worms. Essentially right now each track performs a single delay compensation calculation for the entire chain, without compensating in between plugins. Other DAW's do compensate between plugins. This means that in ableton, time synced effects (for example anything using an LFO) will run out of sync with the playback on the track if another plugin is introducing a delay before it. In other DAW's this doesn't happen. (try a linear phase EQ followed by LFO tool for an example).
Overal project compensation does take into account all tracks and will compensate any track to the highest delay to sync between tracks, that's all fine. I don't see any issues with that. I have issues with the way an individidual track is being compensated.
All fo this is from personal experience & testing. I don't have access to the source code of ableton believe it or not so I'm just speculating :)
1. Starting with ableton Live 11.2, the size of the dual-monitor midi editor cannot be fixed in full size When asked by Ableton they said this was what it was meant to be I really don’t understand
If Live 12 doesn’t fix it, i won’t update it
2. I want to tell Ableton, “don’t pretend you don‘t know about melodyne ARA”
If it’s not that, I hope that “ableton” makes its own vocal tunes editor
3. Personally, I think the 11.1.6 version is the most stable on Live 11
Starting from 11.2, I felt like it was getting weird and broken
4 I think it’s time to be more faithful to the basics that more DAWs have in common than to release new features, as many people say
5.It‘s just my opinion, but when I look at the updates on Live 11 and 12, I also think that the key personnel at ableton have recently gone somewhere. In the past, ableton felt like a pioneer in this industry, but now it feels like growth has stopped compared to FL Studios and Logic
There are a lot of personal templates on Ableton Live, so it's not easy to move to another Daw
Lol how is this not just 11.5? No ARA2, no Strip Silence, no "Bounce to Mono", no Atmos, like cmon, start listening to the community.
Ok champ
If you’re not happy, then use Logic
It's Ableton LIVE. Use other DAWs for other applications.
This doesn’t feel like a full version upgrade to me either. It’s missing many highly requested features, including the ability to apply plugins to individual clips. I’ve been an Ableton user for over a decade, but it’s getting hard to cope now that we’re missing features that plenty of other DAWs provide. Ableton is already years late to the game with ARA support.
I love how homie is like “yo this software we paid for is over $700 USD so when a new version drops we expect basic shit that weve been asking for, for years” and yall are essentially telling mans to go cry about it. Bunch of bootlickers i stg, white knight mfs
And still we aren't able to horizontally select multiple audio clips and shorten or fade them!
I would love to see a single clip freeze and flat function in the arranger. FL has this since years. For example you hover over a midi clip right mouse click and then select freeze and it will put it in a new audio lane.
+1
Been using Ableton since 2006 and still don’t get why they split up that operation. Like who just freezes a track?
@@flowercalls I just freeze (without flattening) all the time since I do production music and often am requested to do edits by the publisher. this way if I need to edit the midi in that part, or patch sound, etc.. I can. Once the track is accepted I can freeze and flatten.
Thank you very much Ableton Live. Just as you have created excellent software for those who see. Now they also thought of people with disabilities. Already do amazing things with Reaper. Now I will be able to use your product as well. Now there is a criticism of some people there. with this selfishness and all mocking. I can already see its bright future, a whole heart -atrophied heart that cannot get new orizonte. And I really cry, I cry with joy.
Thank you Ableton Live for programming software for those who see and for those who do not see. success!
I hope you have fixed all the Performance issues from 11, otherwise It's not worth the upgrade. I'll stay at 10.
I think 11 is awful warping compared to 9 and 10
Please fix recorded latency while monitoring on auto or in 😢
Elisabeth Homeland has created a max for live device to fix this. I think it's like $10. Just look up that name on UA-cam and you'll find their channel.
Ableton should have implemented this themselves about 10 years ago but instead independent developers are solving these problems.
YES!!! 1000% fix this. I’m really close to moving to another DAW.
Just record two tracks at the same time with monitoring off one.
@@bwbmusic76 the fixed it in live 12 already
I eagerly await for the day that the Ableton team blesses their software with the simple yet underrated capability to use VIDEO with no issues so I can score to picture. More and more it seems like a far off dream...
That day will come or at least there will be a MaxMSP guru taking care of that
Never going to happen.
It's Ableton LIVE. Catered to capturing and delivering live performances, not video editing. Use multiple DAWs.
There's a codec you can download and it works. I've used it to score. You can't edit the video. but making music to a reference video is easy. Find the Ableton page about using video and you're golden.
Cool stuff! But what about ARA and group freezing 😒
i'll take this over stem separation
big cope 😆
Plus you can now move a modulated parameter
This should be an upgrade in ableton 11. You look like apple now, upgrading every 2-3 years to get our money. I have been upgrading with you since ableton 8 suite but it time to say no more money for you guys
I have already paid for my upgrade, I don't find it strange or controversial that a company needs to charge for new features now and then. At the rate of 1 upgrade every 3 years comes to about 50 EUR/year in upgrade costs over time for Suite (with the %20 early upgrade discount) which isn't that much at all for a advanced software such as Live.
I have 10 and I’m not ever upgrading since FL has lifetime updates live 10 is so much more stable
Id really love to see a bounce in place similer to bitwig having a channel that can edit audio an midi in one channel is a must now
First substantial Ableton update in a while, I'm looking forward to experiment the new features! But, there's one thing not addressed in the video or in a changelog that you guys really should, and it's PERFORMANCE! Since Ableton 11 I'm constantly dealing with cpu spikes and stuttering, while in v10 my projects always go flawless.
I just want to be able to export stems quickly…11 is painfully slow. Is 12 improved?
Also SMPTE timecode for video scoring
Don’t do scoring in ableton man 🙈 it’s just not built for it. It’s a horribly optimised daw for any large scale project. You’ll reach the bottleneck soon I’m just warning you myself.
@@NakulKrishnaI know, but I first started using ableton 12 years ago, and only a couple of years ago I got into video scoring. It’s painful to throw away so much experience and muscle memory😢. Currently I export my work to Logic and use timecode there
Quick tip. If you use insert effects instead of returns, then you can uncheck "render with return and master FX" and then the stem export is way quicker. Without master effects on the stems, it can render the track just once and just save all the stems. If stems have to have master effects on them, it needs to re-render the whole track for each stem and that's what's taking it so long.
Please add :
- Group Freezing
- Song Section Overview Lane in Arrangement View (Optionally Activateable)
- FX Order Randomizer
Thanks for what you added to 12.
Its pricey though. But im very interested in how it will change how Live is used, cause of the special updates it brings to the software :)
what is the price im trying to find it but I guess I'm stupid
Group freezing. I second this! Seriously disappointed if this is still not a thing! Also strip silence
@@lusid_music_uk Yeah strip silence / cutting up a long recording with the help of a volume threshold met, for multisampled instruments making and such things... its weird that so easy seeming additions are just lacking.
But im super stoked to try how the new features and updates it got, push my process :)
👍😊 Hey @Bitwig
Thanks for letting us Edit Audio in Session View.
Ableton seems to be Incompetent.
This all looks so fun but what I wanna know is….Can we finally vertically zoom a wave form without increasing its gain?
Yes!
you can zoom without using gain 😂
@@Linuskunerwait really?
ua-cam.com/video/-CuqjW6sOsQ/v-deo.htmlsi=YUa1Lz0oZoZiHSZv&t=1789 @@ninevolt
@namuhtube he means make the waveform wider without raising the gain like pro tools and logic
I really dont understand why Ableton seems so bad at taking our feedbacks... and always dissapoints us when there's new updates... We will have to see more depth what acutallly changed and improved but based on this video, it should've been maybe 11.6 updates. WE NEED all these features that all the other DAW supports! I can go on and on about what I want but now Ive given up at this point.
Why is it always so hard for Ableton to see what the users actually want....?
After using Ableton for 10 years I moved to a different DAW last year and sadly I thought to myself... why didnt i change it sooner...? I was very excited about Ableton 12 hoping maybe I will use it again but... so far... im not sure if I will come back... such a exciting day but dissapointing day at the same time :(.....
where is the love for audio editing?
It's non-existent. Ableton doesn't care. I was reading a forum recently where people were asking for destructive audio editing and detailed audio file view in 2011...
Faders in the Arrangement View. That's all I wanted.
Thanks, Ableton!
yours for only $200
$200 for something every other DAW can do? What a deal! Lmao
@@matthewbcarter let’s be real, $200 is a nice dinner for him probably. And I’m pretty sure that he was being sarcastic
@@62433N I know haha. I'm playing along with the joke 😂
Live 8 - April 2nd 2009
Live 9 - March 5th 2013
Live 10 - February 6 2018
Live 11 - February 23 2021
Live 12 - Early 2024
Live 8 to live 10 took almost 9 years. Live 10 to Live 12 has taken 6 years. Live 11 felt like a cash grab upgrade, and now this. Whatever happened to at least one big free update like 9.5? I don’t even own the new Push 3 but just screw anyone who purchased it + a full license I guess?
I love Ableton Live, but this company feels like it’s just trying to squeeze the most amount of money out of us by providing the least amount of value for that money at this point. Saying this as someone who bought Live 10 Suite on launch day, and upgraded to 11 suite during pre-launch.
It's a pity that updates are so rare
I am in the same boat
The solution is switching to bitwig 5 and never looking back. I couldn't be happier tbh.
@@drconflict629 max for live?...
Would be great if you could filter out wav samples by key and scale. I’ve always wanted something like splice in Ableton
It's a good idea but might not be accurate enough yet... My guess why it's not there.
ADSR sample manager has something like this I think. Massively frustrating Ableton didn’t use the opportunity to implement it for user samples in 12…
If you _really_ want something like Splice built in, FL Studio 21.2 with FL Cloud is probably the DAW for you...
But if you're sticking with Ableton for the time being, don't let that be an inspiration killer for you:
- You can fit most samples to any song by pitch-shifting the sample to your song's key.
- If your sample is in F major and you need something in E minor, you can do something like transpose the sample +2 semitones to G major as this scale shares the same notes as E minor.
- If you have a G major chord over an E minor track, the D in G major will function as an extension so the whole thing will still sound like E minor (+ a minor seventh)
- You can chop the audio and pitch-shift certain slices to fit your scale, or exchange them for other slices of audio that do fit your scale
- You can sometimes also Filter out / EQ out some frequencies that don't fit (this applies to sub layers and high lead tops mostly)
- You can combine the last two methods do isolate parts of the samples and layer them together to make chords that fit your track
Etc...
The demand for ready-made loops really breaks my heart, i wish sampling remained a transformative artistic expression
❤...well ...well.....well....
.....nice idea......
Why are these upgrades so expensive? Genuinely considering sharpening up on FL studio again
Please fix the sluggishness in sessions that are medium-large... from 10 to 11 something happened and the UI freezes sometimes for minutes at a time.
Thankyou so much abelton for accessibility features for visually impaired users❤️❤️❤️❤️
Still No ARA2 support. Unbelievable. I really didn't want to go to cubase but now I have to 😢
I think everyone needs strip silence without using any max or other stuff... and also a function where you can bypassed all the plugins just like similiar to pro tools or logic, thanks I love u.
How many synthesisers do you think I need, Ableton? Didn't we *just* have Drift? It's nice to see you finally adding some QoL features for once - via a paid update, of course - but seriously, priorities...!
I assume you mean your priorities?!
Of Ableton's x hundreds of thousands of users, not all of them have the same priorities. Further up, someone is screaming for video support. I have to tell you honestly, even if that only came in 20 years, it would still be soon enough for me personally
@@iBananenjoghurt My reply seems to have been deleted. I can only speak for my own priorities, though if you want an indication of the userbase's most common priorities you can check the most popular tickets over on Ableton's Centercode. But I think it's reasonable to suggest that Ableton should be prioritising improvements to the core functionality and user experience of Live over features that can already be easily attained using plugins. If I want yet another synthesiser, there are hundreds of VSTs out there that will do the job admirably, many of them free - I only have to choose one. If I want to be able to freeze groups in Live, there's not a VST in the world that can help me. All I can do is upvote the relevant Centercode ticket, cross my fingers, and hope that Ableton opts to spend some of their development resources on group freezing instead of on yet another synthesiser.
True
@@iBananenjoghurt I think there is video support, it's just very badly implemented. I had to download some codec and it was very non-intuitive (for Windows). But, at least it does work
@@iBananenjoghurtNaw, it's a bigger sub section of abletons user base than you'd think. I know of some film composers who use it for their work. There are lots of basic editing functions that Ableton just doesn't have that speed things up quite a bit. Very cool software but midi implementation / editing is severely lacking.
I really would like to see Ableton invest in a preset browsing standard API for all VSTs. Something similar to Native Instruments' NKS standard with more fluid device control. You shouldn't need an Arturia or Native Instruments midi controller to have full control of their plugins. It should be handled by the DAW in my opinion.
That’s probably more of an Arturia thing, right? I want this too, but that’s the big selling point for buying an Arturia MIDI controller, so why are they going to open that up to Ableton?
Yes Komplete Control is amazing
@@robertgarvansnyder4665 I think it would make Arturia's selling point even stronger. If you like the feel of Arturia controllers, now you'd have great control of all VSTs, not just Arturia's! Also, Arturia's plug-ins support the NKS standard, so they've already opened that up to a direct competitor.
Yes or maybe use NKS inside the browser
Some cool new minor features, but nothing looks game-changing "changing". I could care less to see the mixer in the arrangement view, takes up more space on that screen. Like FL has that new mastering feature where you can match RMS and LUFs levels in your final output (built into the DAW). I was hoping for something cool like that. Wonder when Ableton will ever fix their pitch feature...
Working on performance issues & crashes will be stellar. Thanks to the Ableton team for their hard, creative work.
read the room. and it's barely an update, not an update people asked for that's for sure.. just honestly crazy minor things in relation to what actually needs fixing.. and i bet they're gonna charge another big upgrade fee as well for this. not really creative, not really hard work.. just laziness and wanting to get something out for the sake of headlines or something, but that's not how it works ableton, you guys gotta listen to what people actually want. lmho
Add the lazy chop feature that comes with Push to the Live sampler natively. There’s already devices/max devices that do it. It would be such a simple addition and really welcome in the sampling world.
What about plugin organization customization and categories???
You can do that now
This is disappointing. These are welcomed additions but I expected more. This should have been an 11.5 update IMO. I’ll prolly skip this update tbh.
Things I want to see:
- Group track freeze
- better audio editing
- audio tuning
- bounce in place
- an answer to FL’s stem separation
- An answer to FL’s AI mastering
- ARA
- Collaboration features
- Dolby Atmos
- More workflow and quality of life focused features!
Yes 👆 agree
-An actually working delay compensation
-Return tracks to be movable
Agree
@@hokkym.6348absolutely! And multiple sessions being open at once!
With ableton live 12 my workflow get explosive! It’s an amazing Peace of software! For me the Best one on Earth ! Thank you der Ableton ♥️♥️♥️
Ableton still hasn't created its own analogue of "melodyne" for voice processing? Maybe at least it will be in Live 15?
Bounce in place or bounce to new audio track? Please? Pretty pretty please?
u can do that by right click freezing then right click flatten. or did u mean something else
@@Adzer-di1mf It's a bit uncomfortable in compare with ctrl+b hotkey in cubase for example
Another cool thing could be a fast midi to bounce and bounce to midi workflow, so that you can bounce a track and easily go back to edit midi
@@testerc7078 what? Stop being lazy.
You can freeze and flatten at the same time now in Ableton Live 12 👍
just make Ableton work with melodyne and I'll die happy
It would be nice to see them implement their own pitch correction right in the DAW without having to use Melodyne. Reason has had this feature for years now.
You can... You just have to set it as the sample editor
Melodyne works with Ableton
BUT CAN WE FREEZE GROUPS???
Destructive audio editing within detailed audio clip view?
Ability to vertical zoom all tracks in project without having to individually select them first?
There are just fundamental DAW features that people have requested. I desperately want Ableton to care about mix engineers.
Edit: Default vertical zooming may have changed? Here's the release notes.
"A new toggle to the right of the Time Ruler can be used to switch on vertical waveform zooming for all audio clip waveforms. There is also a slider to set the zoom factor, which can be applied in x (multiplied by) or dB (which can be selected using the right-click context menu)"
Same… and an actually functioning delay compensation feature with movable return tracks would be nice. But who are we…? Just a few morons who payed for a product hoping for the company to listen to our feedbacks
I've honestly never seen a major company so resistant to user feedback. It's almost like they don't have any audio engineers working on Ableton development.@@hokkym.6348
Where is ARA support?!😕
dynamic EQ, strem separator, more accessable midi glides, this is what we want first, where is it?
Agree
Still no ARA2 Support, or any Audio Aligning Feature.
I'm pretty sure they can do something like this with Live's Warp Engine.
Good to see were finally getting a midi upgrade.
That neural search for similar sounds, beyond drums, is awesome!
It’s also like an invisible/tansparent way to organize your sounds/samples.
In the video, it starts with a girl sampling instruments; with Ableton new neural understanding of sound, I expect (and dare I say soon?) A new version of their Sampler which can listen to you playing an instrument, maybe in a set way, and recognize, classify and organize all the different notes/tones and velocities/intensities into a virtual instrument, automatically, maybe with legatos too.
It actually doesn’t seem that hard to make such a sampler, since most of the work in creating a virtual instrument is tediously mechanical and repetitive. This Would be a massive game changer.
If Ableton does this, I hope they will create a Sampler community/ecosystem like Spitfire Audio did with Pianobook. That would create massive and continuous attention and engagement for Ableton, at virtually no cost to them. Imaginations gone wild!
Ara 2, melodyne,vocal pitch ?
The soundtrack is impressive for a promo video, amazing!
But can we freeze/flatten a group?
New version looking exciting 😃
Come on guys 160 bucks for an upgrade that mainly gives you a little bit more usability, is a little bit on the rough side. Don´t get me wrong, good features but the price point is off...
Should've gone for team lifetime free updates...
how about you actually save up for it and learn some discipline. I’m 23 and was able to afford 12 suite. You’re doing a lot of things wrong bro
@@fmjfjtykckfm Bro could have ten thousands of dollars laying around in the bank. You're just assuming that he's complaining because he's short on money. Why not assume he's complaining out of principle?
I purchased the highest edition of fl studio at 21. I'm not paying or subscribing for simple updates though.
It would be cool to see built in stem separation with this new update!
It’s always been in the export panel
@@Doty6Stringi think they mean “ai” separation of audio tracks 😅
@@20thingsgoing62 ooooooh, so you can split up your loops...I see. yea who cares, just find another loop there are 700 trillion loops around. or just learn to re create the damn PART!!!
I think Ableton doesn't care about what their users need and instead focus on financial gain. This feels like a minor update and not a new version of Live.
When are we going to see features such as :
- pitch correction tools
- proper PDC
- group freezing
- a way to turn off indexing when needed (indexing slows the computer a lot, especially if you use hdd's) or switch to the old type browser which didn't scan the samples
- built-in bridge for 32 bit plugins (yes, people still use them!) etc.
And even after all these updates the "pitch automation glitch" inside a midi clip is still not fixed etc.
Interesting, some max4live devices (or their functionality) looks like its "built in" and the few new plug ins and MIDI editing would make me think this is an 11.4.x update, rather than a paid Live 12 update.
Are there custom key commands?
Is there proper PDC on the channels?
Per clip inserts?
Is there multiple audio clip editing?
Built in bounce in place?
Built in delta solo for every plug in instance?
In any case, good to see Live 12, but I'll pay again at Live 13 and "skip" paying for each update.
@@nonickname9010 yeah but the positive from Ableton's new strategy is that Live 13 will come in a couple of years and I can skip paying for Live 12. I have max4live devices that do a lot (and even more) from what is shown so far, in Live 12, so I am fine waiting.
I'm this close to switching to Reaper or something, istg
@@onlyafoundling Reaper is my other DAW :) All the stuff I mentioned is already in the 60€ (per two major version updates) DAW
same thoughts about skipping. they just recently solved the laggy UI issue due to the new warping algorithm, which caused me to not update to 11.3 for about six months, and now it's been another six months and they're announcing 12. I had a feeling the whole time I was using 11 that it was raw and unfinished, but as soon as I waited for a relatively stable version, they release 12
@@nonickname9010 Live 12 ain't bad, I just cover a lot of the new functionality with 3rd party max4live devices so paying 159€ is not worth it *to me*
The browser tagging and midi features look most exciting and interesting to me. Though the tagging system is a bit late to the game. Having a legit bounce/render in place is a welcome addition (finally!), tired of having to create new tracks and set up routing every time I want to bounce midi. Wondering if it will also work in real-time, for the use of bouncing hardware synths and outboard gear.
The mixer still looks pretty underwhelming and is one of the primary reasons I won't even bother mixing in Ableton (I just bounce out and mix in Pro Tools). Nice that you can see it on the arrangement view, but it's still basically some faders and a few knobs. Sends are still really vague, "A and B" whatever that is... I would love to see Ableton do a full refresh of the mixer so you can see all your routing, inserts, sends and busses at a glance. Super handy for comparing and copying between tracks, and simply being able to see what is going where at a glance.
IM SO EXCITED!! So cool to have proper faders available in arrangement view, all the new MIDI features, and especially a GRANULAR SYNTH! AAAAAAAA
It feels like 11 released yesterday lmfao
I HAVE NO MONEY !
Wow absolutely phenomenal - love the way this was shot too. :chef kiss:
Amazing update, congratulations!. One thing thou, the "Generate" tab in the clip windows should come before the "Transform", I mean first you generate and then you transform. Other than that, DOPE!!!
i love software companies!
they do what ever they want, but they ask in a small survey to help them to be better. DAMN!
Added unnecessary stuff and ignored the most important ones like stability, performance and the little things that make it a pain to use.
I might just switch to another DAW.
The piano roll was precisely a major pain point they addressed in this update.
Also this may age wrong but i suspect the reason the feature list doesn't seem that long or flashy is because they worked on improvements under the hood
amazing sound at 1:06. how did you make it?
External MIDI gear sync is always a problem...even on USB/MIDI.
First bar tempo starts delayed then accelerate to re-sync...fix that.
Already bought the upgrade. Looking forward to the release!
Hold up... this is supposed to be a major release version "Live 12" and yet you guys didn't even bother adding some of the most requested features?!
BETTER AUDIO WORKFLOW - NO BRAINER LIST (Requested by users for the past 5+ years over and over...)
1. Clip gain - directly on audio clips in the playlist for quick adjustments
2. Bounce in place
3. Group freezing
4. ARA support
Who is calling the shots at Ableton? how did this get approved as a major version release? it's a joke. Whoever said let's make some UI enhancements and add a few browser and piano roll updates and call it "Live 12" is robbing everyone. Should of waited another year until you at least implemented even ONE of the features I listed to at least justify it as a major release. This ain't it....
Still can't route separate midi channels to different midi tracks from multi-out VSTs? Just basically a single midi channel for each multi-out VST still?
Please fix the CPU issue. I'm still on Ableton 10 and won't make the shift till it's as solid. I think a lot of people have been voicing this since 11
if a midi clip is cut and the note does not start in the clip, it will disappear, it is very annoying to look for the beginning every time and move it to the beginning of the clip. in fl studio it works fine
Finally see the MIDI editor improvements!
just installed live 12. @ABleton did you seriously drop the buttons in the right bottom corner to dosplay different mixercomponents but added the buttons h and w (which on clicking has the same result as pressing h or w) ? WHY?
I didn't see the words 'improved stability' once in that promo
That's never gonna happen
That’d be a horrible marketing choice 😂
i hope so it is improve
i'm sorry. what are you DOING with your instance of ableton that it's crashing? 😂 i use it mission critical about every day, with audiences, and it's stable as granite.
is it third party plugins?
Ableton has the worst optimisation of any daw at that price point. They haven’t done anything about it since version 10.
How about a feature to export a text file summary of all plugs, patches and audio files used on a project. So if you have to come back to a project a few years later and you've since done some updates/upgrades it's easier to track down whatever is missing.
Thanks for the suggestion, we've forwarded it to our respective team! Feel free to also have a look at the following Knowledge Base article to find out how to best submit feature requests to us in the future: bit.ly/3SUwPip We're looking forward to more of your ideas!
FIX THE STABILITY ISSUES PLEASE. EVERYTHING ELSE IS SECONDARY.
this
Did they finally add the possibility of panning individual notes on the piano roll? Such a simple thing.
Ikr 😢
Did they fix the browser issue where if you search for user samples you no longer have to click through folders to browse them?
The FL Studio piano roll rn: *Finally, A worthy opponent! Our battle will be legendary!*