Mangudai, Kipchak, Cavalry Archer: What's the difference?
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- Опубліковано 18 сер 2020
- What's the difference between the Mangudai, Kipchak, and Heavy Cavalry Archer? In this video we'll review their relative strengths, hidden bonuses, and then put them to the test to see which one giving the best value.
1:05 Cost and stats comparison
2:20 Hidden stuff - bonus damage, parthian tactics, creation time
3:05 Firing rate
4:00 Tier list of value vs other cavalry archers
5:10 Value calculation (how much DPM per resource spent)
6:40 vs Rams and buildings
7:05 Micro
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I love the fact about Spirit that sometimes his jokes don't even feel like a joke but still makes a person laugh...
"cutting edge archeological evidence suggest that cumans did in fact fire arrows from their head"
@@PurpleBraveGiraffe
"Cuman Horses"
That dead pan delivery is so satisfying😂
The dislikes are from salty archaeologists who stan the revisionist "arrows from the ears, not the head" subtheory.
"Cavalry Archers will get around to it whenever they feel like it"
Perfect example. Had me cracking up because it's so nuanced
Spirit, 2015: "I noticed that their gates don't get the HP bonus, which might be a bug, or an incredible historical reference to the fact that Constantinople fell basically because someone forgot to lock the gate."
Spirit, 2020: "Recent archeological evidence shows these horses shot arrows from their foreheads."
Love your content, thanks for what you do!
Friend: nice horse you have what breed?
Me: its a cuman arrowhead horse
Slaps horse: This bad boy can fit so many arrows in his head.
The archer is just for reloading the horse's head
camel archer: feels bad man...
Laughs in head to head battle against any of these 3.
true, kinda shame they were excluded :(
How about Arambai?
Would say we need a video on mêle distance units :)
Well, its a ship, so...
Kipchak: Drive-by spread-shooting
Mangudai: 360-no-scope
Calvary Archer: A good boy
drive-by rng
Elephant archer: Random tanky boy
Camel archer: A boi who loves bullying his 'fellow' horse archer.
Conquistador: Some dude with strong weapon but sucks at aiming.
War Wagon: A coward who loves hiding.
@@twohandedswordsman852 why did you not post this as a original comment rather then a reply. It's the best joke yet.
@@twohandedswordsman852 Arambai: Conquistador on steroids
Cavalry*
"That cheaper cost comes with a price tho" - Spirit, 2020
I see what you did there:)
There are unanswered questions that we haven’t answered yet.
7:34 "The Kipchaks will fire immediately, Mangudai will pause momentarily, and Cavalry Archers will get around to it whenever they feel like." LOLZ
...from a previous video: "...the arbalest contemplates life for a moment then fires..."
To be fair they use arbalests and those things are not known for their fast fire rate
Mangudai: I can destroy siege
Kipchak: I can attack with multiple arrows
Cavalry Archer: I can..... ride my horse
Parthian tactics laughing from the background.
I am very offended by your comment.
LMAO
I generally win entire wars using only heavy cavalry archers with a few hussars/pikemen at the front to distract the enemy. They're my favourite unit, cheap, quick to make and when stacked they're like a mobile machinegun system
*i'm also still on vanilla HD edition, so don't have any DLC units
Cavalry Archer: i can swarm a opponent and get reinforcements very quick because i'm not a rich guy born in a castle.
3:09 First Samurai: Every day I'm shufflin'
trying to dodge the arrows
why we are here?just for suffer?
Woop-woop-woop-woop-woop-woop-woop.
That guy having a seizures
look at him go
Cav archer: I'm more versatile I have more civ specific bonuses.
Kipchak: I can fire instantly and has more arrows.
Mangudai: Genghis has trust issues.
I don't get it
@@StraightEdgeNexus genghis has trust issues
People keep trying to burn down genghis's tent
Camel archer: i can kill all of you
@@StraightEdgeNexus if you see in first campaign of Genghis khan the crucible there will be a Mangudai hidden in the top left corner of map and if you click on it it shows a s Genghis khan it's more like Genghis didn't trust his troops in field so he watches over them, plus it had historical reference tho the loyalty of the Genghis's troops were out of fear no trust that's why after his death soon their Kingdom broke apart.
And what @0hn0haha said too.
A Mangudai walks into a bar and goes up to the counter;
Just kidding, there is no counter!
Skirm?
More like Elite Leitis with 4 relics
Imp camels?
Could you all be quiet and appreciate the joke? :D
Skirm is true though...
@@its_w4yne my man hahah
3:48 "They don't call me Bow Jack for nothing"
oh my wowwwww
You should've added elephant archers in the comparison to give us a new *ELEPHANT FACT*
I wonder when they will finally synchronise the ram's damage and animation.
that would be a terrible update, it would tear down Aoe singlehandedly.
Are the animations synchronized for normal speed and That's why they don't match when playing at higher speeds?
Spearman damage and animation too. They poke like madmen but dont do shit.
It's why DE feels terrible to me. Looking at a melee unit like a knight or hussar swinging his weapon to and fro, but damage happening when the horse flicks its tail, completely destroys the experience for me when I watch units fighting.
@@lagg1e to be fair (at least for the ram, by far the most noticeable) it dates back to the AOK CD version.
Me after seeing the video title : Finally an SOTL video to put an end to the debate "Which one is better between Mangudai and Kipchak?"
Me after watching the video : Never mind. Continue debating.
at the top level of play, Mangudai are better. I don't think there's much argument about that.
mangudai is the best unit of all time
Ok, just 1 thing.
Castle Age comparison? I wonder how Kipchak fares against other cav archers and Mangudai in castle age when nobody has access to bracer or final armor upgrade.
Top 5 cav arch civs had early castle age, late castle age and post imperial comparisons, so I'm just trying to hold You up to Your standards ;)
Massing Mangudais in Castle Age often proves difficult. Their cost, added to the fact they need a castle makes them not the best option to have an army at such a time. Players usually use CA or their quite decent Cavalry in Castle Age.
I'm not too sure about Kipchaks, though, since they don't cost that much and are created faster, it could definitely be a good option, especially since they may have a larger damage output. Though if you don't intend to use them in Imp, might be a heavy investment.
@@chatsoeur kipchaks with capped ram are actually a really good combination to end the game early and a transition into knights is actually not that hard in my experience due to the low cost of the kipchaks. Kipchaks are okay in imp but if you're opponent manages to get to for example paladin they become completely useless.
@@darthrevan926 Yeah my opponent got to Paladin, and he was Franks... I had to micro a lot to kill one Paladin with 20 kipchaks if I didn't want to lose any.
@@darthrevan926 and @SemiMono thx for your output, people :-)
In castle age, wood = gold. Another thing to consider, Archery range cav archers have 50% accuracy whereas Mangudai and Kipchaks have 90%+ which makes Thumb Ring optional. 550 resources for Thumb Ring and 175 for Archery range can just save you enough for a Castle. Kipchaks are also created faster than the other two.
In castle age, even though Kipchaks have low HP, they essentially get free Husbandry so they can invest in Bloodlines. Kipchaks are also the best in Hit and Run.
So in my opinion Kipchaks are the best.
My parents told me the story of brave cuman warriors who had to stuff 30 or so arrows in the horse's ass every time they went to battle. Some felt it was more difficult than the war itself.
Camel archers: am I a joke to you🥺
Elephant archer: sitting in the corner cryin'
Camel archers are a primarily a support/counter unit. Their increased accuracy makes them ok for raiding but they can't be really compared to the more typical CA raider units. For what it's worth, a mixture of Camel archers and camels/genitours is a very powerful composition that isn't too gold heavy and can handle most other comps well
@@Naughtylius Elephant archers have an inherently different role compared to Kipchaks, Mangudai, Cavalry Archers and Camel Archers.
@@fakhruddinnalawala5451 Yes, being useless is indeed an inherently different role.
@@Naughtylius I think this was the horse-based archers.
"Bow Jack?" I see what ya did there.
As in the Dragon Ball Z space pirate (who, sadly, didn't appear in DBZ Abridged, which is a shame) or the overly depressed horseman?
New video hype! I love this kind of analytic content.
SOTK kinda reminds me of the Casually Explained Guy.
they're the same person
devansh just listened to that guy and he sounds completely different, are you sure?
@@bjorndejonckheere8677 Have you ever seen them in the same video? Or been in the same room?
devansh no, never heard of the other guy till now, I’ve never seen spirits face so don’t know if he’s the same, I usually listen to his videos, not watch it
@@ChocolateMilkCultLeader coincidence, I think not😅
I hope you consider making a few more videos like this, comparing the features of units of a specific type.
In the Tatars Civ Overview I made a comment asking how much of a difference that +1p armour makes to Tatar cav archers, and now Spirit confirms that they are right up there with Turks and Magyars. Combined with the free thumb ring and parthian tactics techs I honestly think Tatars have the best normal cav archers in the game, especially since its a staple of their basically all cavalry army. Thumb ring is an annyoing but vital deviation that you must make if you are trying to get cav archers out quick, and free parthian tactics in imp age gives you an immediate power spike with extra P armour and damage vs halbs. Turk cav archers are great but are rare to see since Turk players usually stick to a gunpowder strategy, and Magyar cav archers are generic before their imp tech, and Magyars themselves lack a decent eco bonus. Tatar longer lasting sheep is a highly underrated bonus that gives you a lot of extra food and lets you put off making farms and save wood for potentially the whole dark age depending on the map. Tatars are definitely my favourite civ!
Don’t forget +25% more damage on hill bonus lol
Dude your videos help me so much to relax. Thank you
I gave the like cause of the intro theme.
I did not see that part in the recent videos and missed it.
Thrilled to see the Saracen cavalry archers doing what they do best in that cameo!
Amazing summary, thanks SOTL!
Amazing video, before I even watch it :)
Love you man
Great vid as always. What about making a video about unit and tech combination that are not normally available like longbow+Thumb Ring and Mangudai and the final armour upgrade. Would be very curious about that one.
Great video. Nice comparison.
Oh boy, here comes the smell of the Cuman overview, probably the toughest and more controversial of all!
Would love to see a comparison with the camel archer as well. Obviously they have an advantage against other c.a. type units but in general i feel they're harder to get to than other units.
Several years ago, before we had Tartars and Cumans added, I was thinking of a neat unique mechanic for these civilizations.
To depict their huge hordes of calavlry archers in real life, I thought maybe the Tartars or the Cumans, if they were ever to be added, should get a unique tech that removes gold cost from their horse archers, similar to the way the Malay have a technology that removes the gold cost from their two-handed showrdsemen.
To counterbalance it, the Tartars (or Cumans) could've had heavy calalvy archers removed from their tech-tree, similar to how the Malay don't have Champions.
As a result, the Tartars (or the Cumans) could've had a very unique trash unit in the Imperial age - horse archers that don't cost any gold! Now that would've been a sight to see! Hordes and hordes of horse archers! And not like the cheap but weak genitours of the Berbers, no! Real horse archers that cost no gold!
That would be very absurd. Tatars, cumans are very good at horse archery. The game itself already includes such non-historical nonsense like horse archers in Britons, Celtic and other civs that should not have them. And you suggesting to make tatars or cuman horse archer more inferior compare to them? I understand why pikeman require no gold or skirmishers. They are just peasant militia. But there is no way horse archer should be cheap - a good horse, arrows supply, training, spoils of war share etc.
@@DarkAdept1 you know what else is absurd? that you can train expert soldiers in 20 seconds or how villagers can build 10 hp on a wall and completely block entry but you dont see people calling that absurd!
Great video man
After 20 years, SOTL still finding a way to make nice content
A video about cuman extra TC in feudal last week, now the video abut the kipchak (and others)... it fells like the cuman civoverview is coming soon :-) looking forward :-)
THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO!!!
the “bow jack” joke was actually so funny
I've always loved Cavalry archers since AOE1, they make you feel assured that if your melee units need to retreat, you'll always have someone covering them.
A similar one for Rattan Archer vs. Skirmisher vs. Archer-line would be neat as well.
The intro is so gooooooood
Oh missed so much this song!!!!
I love these videos these are just perfect.
Kipchak vs Chu Ko Nu next please.
i think they are trying to animate the arrows being pulled out from the quiver, for the amount of animation frames its not that bad
wow.. thanks
that's exactly what i needed..
🙌nice
That samurai have seizure lol
But where's the cobra car? They have "horse power", so they're also horses right? xD
I don't know mate, considering the hundreds of horses powering a single original cobra, that wouldn't be a fair comparison.
yes cobra car like kipchak are horses that fires bullets from its head
*laughs in Korean war wagon*
This video has an intro! Pog
Damn that samurai at 3:07 got some good footwork
love this, hopefully we can see archer diference...love it sub !
Impressive work
Killer as always
I was doing a SOTL marathon and then this appeared!
A video about which buildings are more expensive to repair would be great. So we know which buildings to atack with M@A
dont attack buildings with m/a, attack vills
It costs half a building's initial cost to repair it from 0% HP to 100%. Repair cost is directly proportional to building cost.
Yeah. I know, but sometimes you are walled out... and I don't know if it's better to force repair on a house, palisade or barracks
@@narolla955 /nobody/ repairs a house. Its /extremely/ not worth it.
0:34 Correction, it isn't Cuman archers' horses, it's actually only the steppe lancers' horses that could fire arrows out of their heads.😉
3:14 did you do the count with the civ bonus of the mongols ? if so, would had been nice to look with the heavy cav archer from the mongols
Does the pierce damage from the extra arrows not add to the melee for 4 damage per extra arrow?
youir ending gotme asking, whats the unqiue unit tier lsit? i always expcet a few high like magundai and huskarlbut iom curious how they are seen truly
Got to be honest - I'd really have liked to see their castle age variants and how good they all are at raiding during that time - as that's often when it's most feasible and damaging, compared to the Imperial age. What about the extra arrows attacking villagers on farms? Would those missed shots obnoxiously reduce those farms health slightly leading to the enemy being frustrated to death by slightly red health bars all over their base? These are vital questions!!
In age of kings, cavalry archers need 70 gold and just 3 range. I used to think this unit is almost as expensive as knight but doesn't do any shit.
Hey SOTL, nice videos as always, quick question, you play with Enhanced Graphics Pack on or off?
Magyar is my favorite civ for his cavalry archer and cheap hussar in postimperial
Would you consider to do a "How to counter" series? For example "how to counter aztecs" with each of the other civilizations and maybe map's specifics strategies?
Nice video. But in the end, a question has arisen. If both the Mangudai and the Kipchak are the strongest unique units (compared to regular units) what are the weakest unique units (when you use regular units instead)
Spirit, I always wanted to know how heavy infantry fares against cavalry, factoring the new infantry tech supplies with different civs, like vikings, japanese, burmese, aztecs, goths, malay, bulgarian, etc.
Longswords vs Knights, in Castle Age
Champions vs Paladins, in Imperial Age
Flawless cuman translation right there spirit
nice!!!
can you make a video about relics?
when and how much is worth it?
30 G per minute, but is that all?
Wish you added conquistador here, as I think its a fitting comparison. A fan of spanish civ here :D
Can we have the same for different foot archers in the game like Rattan archer, Longbow, genoese Xbow, plumb archer, abarlest, chukonu and Slinger?
Does thumb ring effect the extra arrows for cumans?
Nope, only main arrow
That Bow Jack pun though xD
I think the steady and fast flow of arrows from Mangudai is still preferable to the "burst" damage of Kipchak. Helps mitigate overkill damage.
does that mean the Kipchak could(if microed perfectly) shoot while moving, since its shooting is instant?
Hey spirit can you do a video about the cumans?
i liked that you included the graph of damage output per ressources spent and mention the easier micro of Mangudai because rewatching your top 10 cav archer civ video, the Mangudai had bad results and almost felt like a disappointment, but pro players always rank it the best (unique) unit in the game
You know a UA-camr is
good when his videos are only 9 minutes long
Thank you! What about camel archers! Should not they be compared here too?
How fast are they shooting with thumb ring???
0:31 Nice translation you have there, товарищ!
Two Cuman related videos in a row? Are we going to get Cuman overview soon?
The dancing Samurai at 3:14 !
i am a very simple man i see spirit of the laws video i click and like without even seeing the video
Hey SOTL, can you do a re-review on the saracens? Thanks :)
I have graphics pack installed but it's still greyed out idk how to fix it. Have a decent computer
Do the additional Kiptchak arrows really do melee damage or was this a typo? This however explains why they eat rams.
The jokes of animation are spot on hahahahaha! Good job man!
Does the Stirrups technology benefits all cavalry, including cavalry archers, the same way the Frank HP bonus does it for all cavalry? If it does, I think their cavalry archers might deserve a look up
Crazy how deep you can analyze this game sometimes
No reference to Magyars with their amazing late game hussar and cav archer combo? Also why do you compare units of similar categories to each other so much? How often do you have extended ca Vs ca battles?
Don't underestimate the Kipchak's micro. They're deadly for raiding prior to ballistics. Generally as Cumins you're trying to attack earlier in the game, and the Kipchak's lower cost and powerful raiding potential makes it perfectly suited for that.
3:09 the dancing samurai, a refference to Ace Attorney
I am wondering how does thumbring affects kipchek, if at all. I feel like sometimes I have the whole squad shoot at a halb and he survives...
Where to buy a cuman horse?
Hey man that was good
Does Mamelukes come in this category??
Some of the units had to move closer to be in range. Should that be considered?
could you talk about condottieri? it'd be nice to know what civ has the best condottiero in case of having an italian teammate
Mailain condoskarls. Best ever.
I assume the graphic indicating that the kipchak's secondary arrows do three *melee* damage is an error?
0:31 АХАХАХАХАХАХАХА
отличный перевод!)))))
особенно понравилось как перевели последнюю строчку :D
And now somewhere, someone on their flat Earth with no moon now believes that horses fire arrows from their heads. Splendid 😉
3:20 personality quiz: which trapped samurai are you?
I'm the Samurai trapped in another lobby who wasn't allowed to participate in a Spirit of the Law video :'c