BMW i4 M50 overheats with restricted power and charging during 1000 km challenge

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  • Опубліковано 17 сер 2022
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  • @mrivalin
    @mrivalin Рік тому +192

    Massive propos to you Björn for not sugarcoating things. I guess some UA-camrs would have censored this to not upset the automaker...

    • @NO3V
      @NO3V Рік тому +6

      So much this!

    • @storiestellr
      @storiestellr Рік тому +10

      Bjørn is the OG 💪🏼

    • @NO3V
      @NO3V Рік тому +1

      @@storiestellr Guck an. Stekkerauto!

    • @rui569
      @rui569 Рік тому +4

      exactly, and hiding/ignoring the problem won't solve it

    • @bjornnyland
      @bjornnyland  Рік тому +65

      Great design by BMW. Put the car in sport mode, cruise at 120 km/h pulling an average of 27 kW (7 % of the total power available) and the car overheats... lol. Try a better excuse.

  • @mareksuchowski9127
    @mareksuchowski9127 Рік тому +98

    V3 Superchargers apparently are designed to have you seated in your air conditioned car while charging.
    Björns 1.000km challenge is the industry (youtube) benchmark.
    Everyone else refrains to one charge, flooring it shortly on the Autobahn and spending the rest of the video jerking off about the "built quality".
    Thänks Björn!

    • @bjornnyland
      @bjornnyland  Рік тому +69

      Don't forget about the guys jerking off about panel gaps :P

    • @B4ud3r
      @B4ud3r Рік тому +2

      So true! Haha

    • @egil-andrenessmortensen3037
      @egil-andrenessmortensen3037 Рік тому +1

      Yes its true! So funny to see other media refering to Bjørns tests! They underetand its the best in business 💪

    • @minso8164
      @minso8164 Рік тому

      @@bjornnyland I keep forgetting about that because that's a German-only topic.

  • @t0n4us
    @t0n4us Рік тому +68

    Because of your reviews I got the Model Y Performance from Berlin. I have made several long trips now with it. The last one was 520km at 36°C outside temperature. I was driving 170km/h+ wherever possible and apart from a slight performance limit (2 dots on the right of the acceleration bar when driving above 200km/h for a few minutes) there were no issues and I didn't even notice the slight power reduction.
    Had to stop 2 times for about 15 minutes at IONITY chargers (cheaper than supercharger) and apart from the cooling running normally while arriving and ramping to max as soon as I started charging there were no changes from normal ambient temperature trips.
    The charging curve matched your Google sheet and was actually slightly better in the high end (apart from it being limited to 500A in the low end, so no 250kW on IONITY).
    btw: A/C was on during the whole trip and set to 19°C, even while charging. The BMW would have cooked me :D
    This is what a car should be like. Get in and drive. No issues.
    Shame on you BMW.

    • @gregchristie2763
      @gregchristie2763 Рік тому +5

      What can I say ??? Oh yes I remember.. Tesla for the win as usual.

    • @gregchristie2763
      @gregchristie2763 Рік тому +3

      Greg you are so right 👍😂👍

    • @gregchristie2763
      @gregchristie2763 Рік тому

      @@Slamdoxicalz no..but its my identical twin witj ja seem name in Norway...😂

  • @AGM536
    @AGM536 Рік тому +12

    I am still waiting for my own BMW I4M50. In a german internet forum a guy had the same power issues. Now his car is at the BMW dealer because some batteries have problems and they need to be replaced. Seems like your car has the same problems. Be glad it didnt start burning oO. Keep up the good work. Greetings from germany.

  • @bbpleg
    @bbpleg Рік тому +55

    Your videos are the best by far when it comes to reviewing EVs! Love ‘em

  • @matar006
    @matar006 Рік тому +23

    This happened to my i4 m50 once. I was charging at ionity, than go full throttle(228kmh) and after about 10km cars was overheated a power was very limited. Without charging it didn't happened again. It didn't happened again at overall, even many long trips in very hot weather.

    • @VickiStokes
      @VickiStokes Рік тому +2

      Not sure if this if a m50 issue. I had my i4 edrive 40 for a little over a month and have gone a number of trips on the freeway in California in over 100ºF weather. No issue and was able to run the AC. This car is awesome. Charges fast and hopefully I don't have the issues as the reviewer. Sorry this is happening for him. Sweating bullets is no fun.

  • @szymonpeka1721
    @szymonpeka1721 Рік тому +12

    As an owner of the M50 i can assure you guys that this car in Bjorn test was not performing as designed because i did many long trips (over 1000km with 4-5 Ionity charging sessions in row) with my i4 M50 with even higher temps +35 degrees Celsius with higher speeds 140-150kmph and I didn't got any rapid gate issuse or power limitation after charging and I am using 99% Ionity stations. To be clear I have also Tesla Plaid on order so I am not "only BMW boy".I just want to point out that not all i4 M50 got issuses like this as you have seen on this video.

    • @bjornnyland
      @bjornnyland  Рік тому +1

      Why did I not get any errors on the screen then?

    • @szymonpeka1721
      @szymonpeka1721 Рік тому +6

      ​@@bjornnyland This might be the answer to the source of the problems during 1000km challenge as the i4 M50 you have tested was fairly fresh from factory. I think the i4 M50 you have tested also have this hardware issue with cooling and heating but BMW probably didn't know about this issue when they registered the car as the mileage of the car on range test is only 900km.
      koning966 wrote earlier today:
      "Currently new I4’s are on a delivery stop because of this issue. New BCU needs to be placed to fix it, meaning new hardware. Then cooling heating of battery pack should be fixed.
      I have been effected personally. My new i4 has been sitting at the dealership for over 3 weeks now and hasn’t been cleared for delivery. Last week I was informed about replacing this part. It controls the vehicles pre heating and pre cooling of the battery…
      So now after seeing Bjorn’s video I am putting one and two together. If Björn can disclose the VIN of this M50 I can have it checked if it has the same faulty part……."

  • @jbartolomero
    @jbartolomero Рік тому +39

    If this car was rapidgating in Norway at 30C, I cant wait to see what it does in Spain in one of our 40C days...

    • @rbruijns
      @rbruijns Рік тому +9

      I charged mine at 39C with full power several times on my way back from spain. No problem. Speed decreased to half at sixth charging session. Is not a temperature issue but protection of battery. Reduced charging speed was at lower ambient temp. On the way up running HVAC did not effect my charging

    • @0HOON0
      @0HOON0 Рік тому +1

      Slowish charging is a bummer.
      But (if true) not being able to run the A/C while charging is a real deal breaker!

    • @bjornnyland
      @bjornnyland  Рік тому +2

      *Sweden

    • @jbartolomero
      @jbartolomero Рік тому

      @@bjornnyland it's true. Sorry about the mistake.

  • @S2kDude36
    @S2kDude36 Рік тому +29

    Nice video @Bjorn Nyland! Good to see some real world testing of all of these EVs. At less than half power (for both the motor and charging), I guess it's NOT the Ultimate Driving Machine. I don't believe anything is wrong with the car, in fact, being a press car, you might think BMW would allow the car to be pushed even harder than one you might purchase at the dealer. At over $100k USD (what my local dealer is charging), with those issues, that's a deal breaker for me, and a hard pass on the i4 M50.

  • @ryo1981to
    @ryo1981to Рік тому +13

    Nice video @Bjorn Nyland! I noticed at 23:30 that the power limit is getting worse as the motor temp goes up while you are flooring it (just keep an eye on the gray band growing...) It definitely looks like insufficient cooling but it also doesn't seem limited to fast charging... 🤔

  • @lukasswigut26
    @lukasswigut26 Рік тому +28

    There must be something wrong with this car. Recently I was driving 1400km to Croatia at a temperature of 36 degrees and nothing like that happened. I was charging the car on 10-60% hpc. in total, Charging start always 200kw +. the entire trip was 2600 km and I did not observe anything like that.

    • @lowelindroth7053
      @lowelindroth7053 Рік тому +2

      Good to hear, thats's what I think too.

    • @paulsimpson8990
      @paulsimpson8990 Рік тому +1

      I bet they have hot and cold climate models just like ice cars do

    • @bcwilson63
      @bcwilson63 Рік тому

      He talks about this at 20:15

    • @lukasswigut26
      @lukasswigut26 Рік тому +1

      He need check recall for this car. Its loooks like BDC

  • @grahamsalmons2027
    @grahamsalmons2027 Рік тому +12

    Terrific content and analysis of real world experience with the M50. Telling us stuff that the manufacturer wouldn’t really disclose or warn about

    • @EagleWolfSparrow
      @EagleWolfSparrow Рік тому +1

      I'm surprised 7:30 the Car Over Heat outside only 25 c???? whatttttt

    • @mravecsk1
      @mravecsk1 Рік тому

      It is in the manual..watch whole video.

  • @mrivalin
    @mrivalin Рік тому +8

    "Nein Nein Nein Nein !" 🤣🤣🤣 9:33

  • @f36443
    @f36443 Рік тому +8

    Heh, my 7yo P85D doesn't give a toss about the outside temperature, it just keeps the battery below 46c and always at full power

  • @MrVurtan
    @MrVurtan Рік тому +12

    Watching a 1000 km challenge is a great way to start a new day. Great as always Bjorn!

  • @melvins.8014
    @melvins.8014 Рік тому +22

    74 000 euros and you can’t have the ac on while you charge…. Wow, I want a BMW. Thanks for the vid Bjorn

    • @lukasswigut26
      @lukasswigut26 Рік тому +3

      You can, never hapend to me. Its Just something wrong in this car. I don't understand why this was not reported to BMW.

  • @3dScience8
    @3dScience8 Рік тому +4

    00:44 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅 no problemo Bjorn ??? BMW quality !
    Very nice and informative video !

  • @aarong9378
    @aarong9378 Рік тому +13

    When fast charging my Kia Niro EV (at a whopping 75kW), especially when it’s 40+ degrees, it gets REALLY noisy as the A/C is used to cool the battery. The BMW? Barely the sound of a fan. The difference is that my Niro EV was out-charging the BMW at times! That is absurd. BMW, you need to work on your cooling.

  • @JackMott
    @JackMott Рік тому +11

    Seeing how slow the screen response to the pinch zoom is making me twitch

  • @James_Ryan
    @James_Ryan Рік тому +4

    00:36 "and guess what, this car does not rapidgate" lol

  • @roni8044
    @roni8044 Рік тому +44

    Thanks Bjorn!
    Maybe I am missing something but I have a question; Would't it be best to do your test without compromising your comfort? Drive like a regular person does headed to work in a business suit. I want you comfortable and see the affects that comfort has on the vehicle. Rather then trying to overcome the vehicle's deficiencies by turning off a/c heater etc.

    • @bjornnyland
      @bjornnyland  Рік тому +22

      Then it would rapidgate even more and charge even slower.

    • @roni8044
      @roni8044 Рік тому +4

      @@bjornnyland I know you do lots of tests, so maybe this test is all about time to 1000k. I guess I was thinking like a test engineer.

    • @Maarten_vd
      @Maarten_vd Рік тому +7

      @@bjornnyland Yes, I totally understand why you did it. But assuming it's by design and not by error, it's totally unacceptable not having airco in the days you need it during a roadtrip. It's a very expensive car people also choose for the luxury perks it has. (And how 'well' they are build).
      If this is really by design, I dare to say it's not designed properly and BMW was cutting corners here. Unbelievable as because the car lacks a frunk, they have the whole nose available for radiators and other cooling solutions.

    • @bjornnyland
      @bjornnyland  Рік тому +19

      BMW i3 had the exact same designflaw/issue. I would expect BMW to fix this in i4. It seems like I was terribly wrong.
      ua-cam.com/video/-cFmz30pr2Y/v-deo.html

    • @mlepa
      @mlepa Рік тому +7

      @@bjornnyland This is exactly the point - this way we would see how the car behaves in a real world scenario and how much worse it is from a Tesla. You dedust time for traffic, but, you turn the AC off and cool with ice cream - this doesn't seam fair to the cars, that don't have rapidgate problems.

  • @rnenjoyrightnow
    @rnenjoyrightnow Рік тому +3

    Great video. I would like a follow up video with the answer from BMW. Does the presscar have an error, or is it correct?

  • @LouRaX
    @LouRaX Рік тому +8

    the rapid Gate acceleration looks like the normal E-UP acceleration

  • @PenkoAngelov
    @PenkoAngelov Рік тому +7

    What sound does a German vehicle make when you floor it? - Nein-nein-nein-nein-nein-nein...

  • @rkgsd
    @rkgsd Рік тому +3

    Assuming BMW has seen this video, they should care enough to address the issue with an actual reply in the comment section.

  • @JohnJonas12345
    @JohnJonas12345 Рік тому +5

    That chargeport placement when its snowing....

  • @rbruijns
    @rbruijns Рік тому +12

    I have not had that problem on my holiday trip wit temps close to 40C. No power limit in driving. Limitations to half charging speed at sixth charging session, consistently. Drove in comfort/eco mode. Engine is kept cooler in comfort/eco mode

    • @PeterEduard
      @PeterEduard Рік тому

      I drove in comfort /sport boost mode. Took 12 hours to go the 1280 kilometres. A lot of congestion tho.

  • @tvanbroekhoven
    @tvanbroekhoven Рік тому +21

    I drove this thing through one of the worst heat waves in France last week. 40+ degrees. Did fast charging and so on. None of these heating issues occurred. A bit surprised by your experience.

    • @tvanbroekhoven
      @tvanbroekhoven Рік тому +1

      @@KDR816 could be the case. I didn't do that. Kept it in Sport. Wasn't too gentle on the throttle though.

    • @bjornnyland
      @bjornnyland  Рік тому +24

      Great design by BMW. Put the car in sport mode, cruise at 120 km/h pulling an average of 27 kW (7 % of the total power available) and the car overheats... lol. Try a better excuse.

    • @f36443
      @f36443 Рік тому +6

      @@bjornnyland Agree. Imagine buying what you believe is a fast BMW EV and you want to take it to the Nurburgring. That thing will overheat faster than a legacy Model S.

    • @Maarten_vd
      @Maarten_vd Рік тому +9

      @@f36443 I am also waiting for the first video of this "M" performance car on the Nurburgring. It will finish the first lap in limp mode, or catch fire.

    • @markusmuller9193
      @markusmuller9193 Рік тому

      @@Maarten_vd it's not that bad, there was no fire ;)
      ua-cam.com/video/MAlqOmLDwVo/v-deo.html
      But it highly reduces power.

  • @derived-doom
    @derived-doom Рік тому +14

    "Are we driving in a Leaf - or driving in a BMW?" 🙂(20:08) Best question within a car review ever... Björn, you made my day!

  • @DES0MX0
    @DES0MX0 Рік тому +30

    even though the chance of getting consistently faulty press cars is indeed very slim, I have to say we didn't experience this issue at all. Blasted from NL to south of France at 34c (so even 3-4c hotter than in the vid), arriving yolo around 3-4% at Ionity and other HPC chargers and the car charges like a boss - consistently 208 or 209kw under 30% then gradually slowing down to 105kw at 50% and then very gradually reducing charge, but even at 90%+ still charging quite fast (about 50kw). I didn't pre-cool the car during charging, but always towards the end of the charge, so like 2-3 mins before getting back into the car, so didn't really test the effect of pre-conditioning

    • @bjornnyland
      @bjornnyland  Рік тому +5

      But you didn't charge to 50 %?

    • @DES0MX0
      @DES0MX0 Рік тому +3

      @@bjornnyland start at 100% in NL then every time topping up to anywhere between 55 (toilet break + coffee) to 100% (in case of dinner)

    • @bjornnyland
      @bjornnyland  Рік тому +14

      Sport mode is irrelevant here. Stop assuming anything unless you have tested sport mode vs the other modes...

    • @mrivalin
      @mrivalin Рік тому +2

      @@DES0MX0 so this is not comparable to what Björn did.

    • @scepticalcarols
      @scepticalcarols Рік тому +9

      BAttery cools when charging to very high SOC. the last 30% is at low kW so slow allows it to cool back down. TB stopped at 50% when it was at a high temp. EV6 did the same thing. If chasing fast charge rate will always stop charging around middle of the charge. I wonder if battery type dictates this. Tesla runs battery hotter and uses cylindrical cells which may have better tolerance of temperature and the expansions it causes. Just thinking out loud.

  • @koning966
    @koning966 Рік тому +12

    Currently new I4’s are on a delivery stop because of this issue. New BCU needs to be placed to fix it, meaning new hardware. Then cooling heating of battery pack should be fixed.

    • @cmoullasnet
      @cmoullasnet Рік тому

      Where did you see this?

    • @koning966
      @koning966 Рік тому +4

      I have been effected personally. My new i4 has been sitting at the dealership for over 3 weeks now and hasn’t been cleared for delivery. Last week I was informed about replacing this part. It controls the vehicles pre heating and pre cooling of the battery…
      So now after seeing Bjorn’s video I am putting one and two together. If Björn can disclose the VIN of this M50 I can have it checked if it has the same faulty part…….

  • @johnhusokowski8481
    @johnhusokowski8481 Рік тому +2

    Bjorn, Thank you for evaluating the I4. Maybe you addressed this already, if so I apologize. My question which has been raised by others on this issue is whether there was a fault with the press car that you tested (hardware? software?). When you returned the car to BMW did you report the issue of overheating? Do you know if BMW then subsequently performed then a diagnostic on the car? If so, what were the results? If you don't have this information yet, could you go back to BMW and ask them for the service history on the car since you returned it. I think this information would be essential to prospective BMW buyers and to the EV community in general. Thank you.

  • @Zabrownfish
    @Zabrownfish Рік тому +1

    This explains why my i3 used to restrict power. Although it used to happen even though I wasn't fast charging.

  • @Mob-World
    @Mob-World Рік тому +4

    Love bimmers... if possible test he facelifted IX3. Specially 1000km challenge. I know you already have tested the old model, but maybe the new is better??

  • @madgaming3172
    @madgaming3172 Рік тому +2

    Seems like BMW hired some of the engineers that designed the AC units of the german ICE train :D The ultimate driving machine hahaha

  • @steffen8964
    @steffen8964 Рік тому +2

    Yes the colour is great 👌

  • @galax64
    @galax64 Рік тому

    Fantastic video again ! How much was charging for kWh there?

  • @maeguk1
    @maeguk1 Рік тому

    so which side should be the correct side to have the charging port on the car?

  • @dragosmihai3489
    @dragosmihai3489 Рік тому

    Couldn't find a front-end teardown, but another hypothesis could be the fan is inadequate to push adequate airflow, and going fast on the next-to-last stint may have provided adequate airflow over the radiator to actually cool the pack.

  • @ingmarschellhas3642
    @ingmarschellhas3642 Рік тому

    Did you adjust the cooling fan settings? It can be set in a limited mode to avoid too much noise.

    • @bjornnyland
      @bjornnyland  Рік тому +3

      Yes, I also showed it in the video.

  • @macee6505
    @macee6505 Рік тому +3

    @björn Nextmove today reported that there is major problem with somekind of AC-Valve (and because of that there are many new cars on hold) maybe this car suffers from it too? (just a wild guess)

  • @berthogendoorn2133
    @berthogendoorn2133 Рік тому +1

    nice vidoe! but we need summer 1000KM challenge on a E-GMP car, either Kia, Hyundai or Genesis to see how they perform with hot temps. If I recall I think the Ionic recovered quicker the BMW I4 M50

    • @bjornnyland
      @bjornnyland  Рік тому +4

      So what you're assuming is that once you put the BMW i4 M50 in sport mode, it will overheat? Great logic...

    • @davids.6671
      @davids.6671 Рік тому +1

      @@KDR816 better then commenting without any clue about the system architecture of an ev.

  • @pnketia
    @pnketia Рік тому +13

    Too many compromises for me. I would expect these issues to appear on a German vehicle after the warranty has expired! I cannot imagine the average BMW owner putting up with this and not taking the car back to the dealer. BTW I cannot believe BMW still prints an owner's manual book and doesn't have a digital version in the display that you can search by keyword.

  • @sworksm552
    @sworksm552 Рік тому +6

    In Bavaria we are calling BMW "Bayrischer MistWagen" ...

    • @oachkatzlschoas7941
      @oachkatzlschoas7941 Рік тому +2

      I also heard of „Bring Mich Werkstatt“

    • @sworksm552
      @sworksm552 Рік тому

      @@jellyd4889 as a born Bavarian, it's standard

  • @egidiomeola
    @egidiomeola Рік тому

    I can't believe you ate the whole thing!

  • @miloszenko
    @miloszenko Рік тому +2

    Normal sutuation in leaf 40 kWh after third chademo session 😁

  • @carthick1000
    @carthick1000 Рік тому

    Can someone point to the manual page which Bjorn is mentioning?

  • @PeterEduard
    @PeterEduard Рік тому +24

    That's really strange... I drove 1280 km to Munich in 32 degrees this summer - and I never experienced this. I drove in one straight drive, only stopping as little as possible.
    Basically what You are doing, only further.
    I wonder if one of the heatpumps were defective on your drive?

    • @bjornnyland
      @bjornnyland  Рік тому +11

      Of course not. If AC was defective I would sweat like a pig.

    • @laszloszabados6825
      @laszloszabados6825 Рік тому +2

      No error message on the middle of the screen? No fault!

    • @PeterEduard
      @PeterEduard Рік тому +1

      @@bjornnyland Heheh. I was thinking one of the ones that were supposed to steer the temperature of the battery - not the interior. :D

    • @PeterEduard
      @PeterEduard Рік тому

      Perhaps it was because I started the drive with an almost full battery - and during the ride, I stopped charging once I got below 80 - 100 kW, There were enough charging points along the highway to time it to about 3-7% every charge (I simply speeded up - it was Germany after all).

  • @nster3
    @nster3 Рік тому +1

    If BMW fixes the rapidgate through firmware or hardware or both, please let us know!

  • @Humuku
    @Humuku Рік тому

    Does the iX have an extra cooling loop for the battery?

    • @bjornnyland
      @bjornnyland  Рік тому

      It should since it can pull 2500 kg trailer.

    • @Humuku
      @Humuku Рік тому

      @@bjornnyland If not you can put an AC unit onto the trailer... To be serious, please check it, should you drive one another time. Just curious if they really optimized their unique IX platform. Also interesting (and nothing to do with AC) that they are currently apparently having some recalls for a batch of i4 and iX due to battery fire risks...

  • @TeslaDo
    @TeslaDo Рік тому +3

    I am really curious about the Electric Bimmer Owners after 100.000KM.

  • @chrisbailey5055
    @chrisbailey5055 Рік тому

    I missed it, but did you set the charger as your destination? That would automatically pre-condition the battery.

  • @VickiStokes
    @VickiStokes Рік тому +2

    Interesting. I live in California where temperatures have been 95-105ºF and have never had this problem with my i4 edrive 40. The battery climate control works fine but AC had to be turned on manually. After drIving to Sacramento about 134 miles roundtrip went to 350 KW Electrify America station at end of trip while at 20% state of charge. Got to 80% in about 35 minutes. Pulled around 185 kW until around 55% then slowed further to under 100 KW as approached 80%.None of the issues you had. Ran the AC while waiting in the vehicle. Hopefully this will be resolved for the M50 if that's not just an issue with your test BMW. Your profile was not started when you first got in the car to get the stats. Love you being objective. Maybe it's an issue with pushing it. Will look at the manual as you suggested. Hit it hard and tell the truth. Give the marketing people a true assessment to fix the problems. Good review.

  • @mikashki
    @mikashki Рік тому +3

    I find it funny that a BMW performance EV becomes an Enyaq/Id.4 (200hp) when it overheats 😄

    • @ulyden1947
      @ulyden1947 Рік тому

      BMW I4 has 136KW power The edrive 40 90KW

  • @annahenrietta9517
    @annahenrietta9517 Рік тому +1

    That V3 supercharger boycotted the I4M50!!! It purposely overheated the battery. 😏

  • @MysticGargoyle
    @MysticGargoyle Рік тому +1

    I have the same car, but never experienced the problems you got in the video

  • @pavelskala8634
    @pavelskala8634 Рік тому

    Bjorn your problem is connected with active baterry mode B - it is not recommended to use it for long trips ,deactivate it and you will see there are no restriction any more .RGs Pavel

  • @petertraveller6421
    @petertraveller6421 Рік тому +1

    I heard that these cars have somekind of valve problem, and thats why battery coolant don't flow as it should be, BWW will fix the valve and then have to make new test.

  • @DouglasJMark
    @DouglasJMark Рік тому +6

    ABC - Always Broken Chargers 😂

  • @bayerbear6770
    @bayerbear6770 Рік тому +1

    Why is the 'transmission' in B (Brake) mode? Should it not be D?

    • @bjornnyland
      @bjornnyland  Рік тому +1

      It doesn't matter for consumption.

    • @bayerbear6770
      @bayerbear6770 Рік тому

      @@bjornnyland I was thinking more in the line of the software limiting the power going to the engine in a hill decent mode (B; for going down long downhills), and also (in an ice-car) the air-con is halted until brake pedal is pushed (belted air-con helps ice-engine braking when operating), thereby (through old software) also disabling ac of the batteries..

  • @Freddy680
    @Freddy680 Рік тому +7

    Først only 4 stars in crash-test, and now this. This seems to a cheep car you have to pay a lot of money to get.

    • @Maarten_vd
      @Maarten_vd Рік тому +5

      Yes, and it failed the moose test as well, real drivers car :-)

  • @sanders5417
    @sanders5417 Рік тому +1

    Maybe the sport mode settings are increasing the battery temperature?

    • @bjornnyland
      @bjornnyland  Рік тому +6

      So it overheats and gets reduced power? Makes sense, right?

    • @bjornnyland
      @bjornnyland  Рік тому +4

      Do you know what Track Mode in Tesla does? It increases cooling. Watch and learn:
      ua-cam.com/video/XHu_W20T5Xw/v-deo.html

    • @sanders5417
      @sanders5417 Рік тому

      @@bjornnyland Don't get me wrong, I totally agree - especially considering it's markedet as a performance EV. I am merely curious if drive mode setting does anything allieviate the heat problems. The car should have a stronger cooling system from the get go so this wasnt an issue :-)

  • @huboz0r
    @huboz0r Рік тому +28

    Just incredible they still haven't solved this. This makes a dream EV into something subpar to anything - no BMW lover in their right mind would buy this knowing you could only fastcharge it once when its hot outside...

    • @BrianMJensen
      @BrianMJensen Рік тому +10

      Guess you missed the 9:40h over 1000 km. That beats all the model Y tests he has done and they don't overheat. It's annoying they have to limit the car in this way, but the results shows it barely has any effect. Any BMW lover in their right mind would be happy with this car.

    • @sworksm552
      @sworksm552 Рік тому +16

      @@BrianMJensen Model 3 LR AWD for the win, don't compare SUV with a limousine...

    • @NO3V
      @NO3V Рік тому +13

      @@sworksm552 Also. "Beats all the model Y tests.." BY FIVE MINUTES.. (Model Y 9:45h @17°C [& 9:50h @0°C])
      For just 30% more money with 10% less efficiency despite being much less spacious...
      What a weird argument by Brian...

    • @bjornnyland
      @bjornnyland  Рік тому +16

      Model 3 Performance did it in 9h15m and is the fastest EV ever tested. It was 25 minutes faster than M50. The eDrive40 was RWD and can't be compared against the much more powerful Model 3 Performance.

    • @sergeikulichkov7748
      @sergeikulichkov7748 Рік тому +3

      Most people don't care about performance that much. i4 is fast enough

  • @IfeelSaab
    @IfeelSaab Рік тому

    We also need such charging stations at gas stations in Germany.

  • @Scrap-press
    @Scrap-press Рік тому +2

    So i4 40 with M sport package is the way to go?

  • @larsscheel
    @larsscheel 5 місяців тому +1

    Hej Bjørn.
    Vi har bestilt M50🎉. Vi skal fra Danmark til Italien til sommer. Vil du anbefale at man IKKE pre-heater batteriet inden opladning på vej derned ?

  • @robkaOK
    @robkaOK Рік тому +2

    In 2012, I leased a 2012 Nissan Leaf SL, and learned RapidGate. Ten years later, BMW is learning RapidGate. Ten.Years.Later.. They're Doomed.

  • @hckrohz
    @hckrohz Рік тому +1

    you need to ask BMW to do the update to 07/2022.33... after that you get the estimated soc at your destination... update didn't come OTA ... only available for me at BMW garage

    • @bjornnyland
      @bjornnyland  Рік тому

      What a bummer.

    • @egil-andrenessmortensen3037
      @egil-andrenessmortensen3037 Рік тому

      Shit no OTA? Oh my... 😢

    • @aigarius
      @aigarius Рік тому +1

      @@egil-andrenessmortensen3037 It is going to come OTA, but not currently. Currently it is only rolling out via dealerships for cases that need it.

    • @egil-andrenessmortensen3037
      @egil-andrenessmortensen3037 Рік тому

      @@aigarius thats what jag Said 😅 lets Hope BMW is more serious

  • @stevenbarrett7648
    @stevenbarrett7648 Рік тому

    It would be interesting to know if Norways vehicle accident rate has dropped with the uptake in EV’s being so high and EV’s having better accident prevention technology

    • @steinandersen6648
      @steinandersen6648 Рік тому

      2022 stats show an increase in accidents, perhaps caused by drivers use of touchscreens

  • @DouglasJMark
    @DouglasJMark Рік тому +3

    Needs an Octovalve.

  • @moritzregis5935
    @moritzregis5935 Рік тому +4

    I think the i4 has an underdimensioned cooling system.
    Mathias Malmedie also reported severe overheating issues with the i4 M50 at normal temperatures on the Nürburgring. The power was reduced after only half a lap…
    For comparison: a Porsche Taycan is able to run 1,5 laps on the Nürburgring without power restrictions.
    ua-cam.com/video/MAlqOmLDwVo/v-deo.html

    • @moritzregis5935
      @moritzregis5935 Рік тому

      @Svante Turlasson The cooling system has possibly been underdimensioned to save manufacturing costs, not weight…

  • @MyRealNameIs
    @MyRealNameIs Рік тому +3

    New top of the line i4 M50 with Gen 1 EV issues, this is unacceptable. 30 degrees celsius should no affect the car that much. This is why people that drive ICE cars don't want to convert. Because of fuckups like this, and I would not even blame them. You already need to charge more often on a road trip, but then also deal with issues like overheating is a step too far. I'm not sure if my Polestar 2 does the same, but i haven't encountered this issue up till now (got the P2 in October 2020).

  • @KekszNET
    @KekszNET Рік тому +2

    Oh boy, that navigation is so 2005

  • @44Bigs
    @44Bigs Рік тому

    Supercharging my octovalve model 3 for the first time was kind of unnerving: loud fans, vibrations and ‘smoke’ coming out from under the front. But at least it was charging at full power and the interior remained cool. I’ll take that over this rapidgate shiiit.

    • @bjornnyland
      @bjornnyland  Рік тому +3

      It was condensation and it's completely normal.

    • @danieldagenais7945
      @danieldagenais7945 Рік тому

      Dont worry about you're model 3, you're in the pounds per pounds E.V. in the world

  • @gregorgems5295
    @gregorgems5295 Рік тому

    Have you seen anything like this in other cars? Would be interesting if this happens to an etron gt in summer.

  • @charleschencas
    @charleschencas Рік тому

    Power is limited by motor temp shown on the screen. Its motor may be a permanent magnet motor which doesn't like high temp. Motor's magnetic field strength will be weakened in high temp.

  • @binauralauto3621
    @binauralauto3621 Рік тому

    4k Bjorn!

  • @bradcollins4114
    @bradcollins4114 Рік тому +4

    OK yes this is a performance problem but on the flip side is BMW simply protecting the battery in a more conservative fashion than what Tesla or others do?

    • @bjornnyland
      @bjornnyland  Рік тому +4

      Because in Sport Boost Mode, you get all the 544 hp available. In Comfort and Eco mode, you get less power available. That's why.

    • @Luis-xr9ye
      @Luis-xr9ye Рік тому +4

      @@KDR816 so after paying a ton of money u can’t use sport mode when ever u want?

    • @bjornnyland
      @bjornnyland  Рік тому +7

      Pay a lot of money for i4 M50 with 544 hp, drive in comfort mode and get outrun by a Tesla Model 3 Performance because you couldn't swithc to sport mode in time...

    • @Luis-xr9ye
      @Luis-xr9ye Рік тому

      @@KDR816 in 1000kms most of the time you travel whith cruise control, so it doesn’t do any diference the selected mode.

  • @alexjobs
    @alexjobs Рік тому +2

    Impressive how BMW looses what ones was they’re own game.

  • @bluefoxtv1566
    @bluefoxtv1566 Рік тому

    Maybe in the future someone will lend you the same carto test over again. Then you can see if this is som kind of battery protection method.

  • @BerraLilltroll
    @BerraLilltroll Рік тому +3

    TeslaBjorn is the new moose-test. :)

  • @chickenp7038
    @chickenp7038 Рік тому +11

    remember how ice fans flamed tesla model s 2012 nein powerlimited after racing? this is so embarrassing

    • @bjornnyland
      @bjornnyland  Рік тому +3

      Great design by BMW. Put the car in sport mode, cruise at 120 km/h pulling an average of 27 kW (7 % of the total power available) and the car overheats... lol. Try a better excuse.

  • @sebvv5219
    @sebvv5219 Рік тому +1

    It's pretty simple. More powerful electric motors are less efficient under normal use, bc an electric motor is most efficient at full load as long as you can transfer the heat away. The load is determined by tyres' rolling resistance and most importantly drag which should be roughly for both i4s. TLDR: The less powerful i4 is more efficient, bc on avg its motor operates under a lower, percentual load.

    • @hardywoodaway9912
      @hardywoodaway9912 Рік тому +1

      that’s not the case at all. The normal i4 has one motor and the m50 has 2motors.

    • @sebvv5219
      @sebvv5219 Рік тому

      @@hardywoodaway9912 What's not the case?

  • @BerraLilltroll
    @BerraLilltroll Рік тому +1

    How much heat does 200 kw generate? 10% ? That is a lot to cool off.

    • @helldogbe4077
      @helldogbe4077 Рік тому +1

      Probably smaller loss than 10% in the car. With AC charging it can be 10% loss, but with fastcharging the AC to DC conversion happens outside so the transistor losses only heat up the DC charger, not the car. Only internal battery resistance and copper losses in the cables.

    • @BerraLilltroll
      @BerraLilltroll Рік тому

      @@helldogbe4077 Yepp, ur right. Looked it up. Less than 1%.

  • @chestodor4161
    @chestodor4161 Рік тому +7

    I am on my hollyday now in Italy, driving my M3LR 2021 from Norway. I was gunning it all the way down through germany and italy in 36C with v3 charging at 200 kw+ and cruising at 150 kmh + with no problem at all. No heat issues with the battery or motors. Yet the poor BMW m50 cant handle 27C? That is shamefull.

    • @chestodor4161
      @chestodor4161 Рік тому

      I dont have track mode. Only performance has trackmode.

    • @bjornnyland
      @bjornnyland  Рік тому +5

      Great design by BMW. Put the car in sport mode, cruise at 120 km/h pulling an average of 27 kW (7 % of the total power available) and the car overheats... lol. Try a better excuse.

    • @bjornnyland
      @bjornnyland  Рік тому +1

      And don't you know what Track Mode does? It *cools* down the battery faster.

    • @chestodor4161
      @chestodor4161 Рік тому

      @@bjornnyland i have AB and sport mode. But that doesn't impact cooling does it?

    • @egil-andrenessmortensen3037
      @egil-andrenessmortensen3037 Рік тому

      What has track mode to do with anything? 😅

  • @Zedus-rl9hp
    @Zedus-rl9hp Рік тому +5

    Mach-e GT, i4 M50... looks like, their technical design cant handle the extra power. Not the best advertising for "sport"-versions.

  • @tiagom.2706
    @tiagom.2706 Рік тому +4

    This is awful 😞 I'm waiting for one and not happy about this. So much space in the front unused....makes sense to have 2 systems....or 1 system that works for both...

    • @bjornnyland
      @bjornnyland  Рік тому +6

      Great design by BMW. Put the car in sport mode, cruise at 120 km/h pulling an average of 27 kW (7 % of the total power available) and the car overheats... lol. Try a better excuse.

  • @KhalilAmar
    @KhalilAmar Рік тому +1

    if you run the cooling for the cabin, you won't get cooling for the battery ? what ??

    • @bjornnyland
      @bjornnyland  Рік тому

      Way less. That's what happened at Varberg.

    • @KhalilAmar
      @KhalilAmar Рік тому

      @@bjornnyland yeah what were they thinking at BMW??

  • @latlak
    @latlak Рік тому +1

    Easy solution: Get the M440i =) No rapidgate at all + better sound + higher top speed + better performance since -300kg + faster "recharge". Still not getting why someone would go for an EV, tbh.

  • @shivan6416
    @shivan6416 Рік тому +2

    You should always keep AC on during charging session when you are in the car because people do this in real world.

  • @fjgaston
    @fjgaston Рік тому

    But Bjorn, you're using sport mode ... just kidding ;)

  • @noorghani5053
    @noorghani5053 Рік тому +4

    It is still a great car in many ways. Your reviews are the reason I ordered this car. Your reviews are great!!!

  • @davids.6671
    @davids.6671 Рік тому +4

    "SOC on arrival" is a premium subscription for 3$/month. Availibe soon 🤣

  • @danielanliker9784
    @danielanliker9784 Рік тому +1

    That‘s the thing with mistresses, you don’t have control over ;)

  • @badhairday_247
    @badhairday_247 Рік тому +1

    But ‘the competition is coming’.

  • @niceman1661
    @niceman1661 Рік тому

    Maybe the reason for rapidgate is that you arrive with less then 10% at charger and at that time the car does not run battery cooling? Remember, under 10%, the car does not provide you with A/C... and when you did arrive over 10%, I think you did not experience rapidgate...?

    • @bjornnyland
      @bjornnyland  Рік тому +1

      Incorrect. AC works all the way to 0 % and also while DC charging regardless of SoC.

    • @niceman1661
      @niceman1661 Рік тому

      @@bjornnyland ohh, sorry ,confused it with iX3 I guess...

  • @paulsimpson8990
    @paulsimpson8990 Рік тому +1

    I hope BMW has hot weather model variant for hot climates otherwise this thing will be toast in Australia

  • @maxrotaR
    @maxrotaR Рік тому +1

    I’ll stick to my 4 year old model 3.. no issues!

  • @bobo-san
    @bobo-san Рік тому +1

    as you can see at any car manufactors: " sie kochen alle mit Wasser" ... means: no one is perfect, even BMW (or Tesla 😂)

  • @Tiax776
    @Tiax776 Рік тому

    Bread, Spread, Ham, Cheese, the correct order. Cheese on top.