The Lost 2002 Version of Toy Story 3: The 'Whodunnit' Drafts - Canned Goods
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- Опубліковано 10 лип 2024
- Toy Story 3, at one point, would have seen Woody, Buzz, and the gang in the center of a Whodunit Mystery, centered around a silly Sock Monkey.
In 2002, Disney enlisted Cheri and Bill Steinkellner to write a Toy Story movie, without Pixar's involvement. The hope was for Disney to use this as a bargaining chip against Pixar, who they were soon sitting down to negotiate with. Cheri and Bill's script came, went, and disappeared.
Years later, they would come to learn that their script was rewritten as a part of Disney's Circle 7 Animation, their studio designed to make sequels to Pixar movies. But as far as rewrites go- it only retains the most basic of story elements.
Cheri and Bill were gracious enough to sit down with me for an interview where they discussed the movie, how they came onto the project, and how they learned of the project's resurrection. I cannot thank them enough for their time and knowledge. Here on Canned Goods, we can exclusively reveal to you the Steinkellner's original story for The Whodunit Draft of Toy Story 3, pre-rewrite.
Today we’ll be breaking down the development, plots, and cancellation of both versions of the unmade Toy Story sequel: Toy Story 3: The Whodunit Draft.
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00:00 Intro
00:31 Toy Story 3 (2002) 'Whodunit' Draft Development
04:21 Cheri and Bill Steinkellner's Toy Story 3' (2002) Plot Breakdown
14:40 Why was the 'Whodunit' Draft of Toy Story 3 Rewritten?
17:16 Toy Story 3 'Whodunit' (2004) Circle 7 Draft Plot Breakdown
31:59 Why was the 'Whodunit' Draft of Toy Story 3 Cancelled? - Фільми й анімація
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Hey! Your videos are very insightful and fun to watch.
You should cover the many drafts of Inside Out and Bob Peterson’s version of The Good Dinosaur.
i love it will you do more toy story recall script.will you do full video of cancelled chowder movie deep dive
dude dont paywall stuff. thats not cool.
"Calm down woody we're your friends"
"Shut up buzz i'll kill you"
This legitimately made me laugh out loud
Sounds like Mordecai and Rigby.
Canned goods is such a good name for a series about canceled things.
Right??
The scene where woody arranges the blocks is actually a really creative way of unveiling a secret message.
*Easily* my favorite moment in either script
@@HemmasStudios_a shame that the only purpose those types of blocks served in the movies was the pun in the first movie by Bo Peep
A Toy Story movie plot being about the toy-obsessed --> book-obsessed pipeline so many real kids go through is actually really smart
This is a legitimately incredible point I never considered, because that's a *very real* pipeline :P
My headcanon is that all these scrapped Toy Story 3 ideas (besides the blended family idea, for obvious) are just adventures that the gang had inbetween Toy Story 2 and 3 off-screen.
Such a nice thought :)
There are Toy Story comics that take place between the movies that show the toys doing stuff like this, anyway, so why not these?!
@@HemmasStudios_ exactly.
Man, that's like... three versions of Toy Story 3. I'll be surprised once we get to the lost version of Toy Story 4.
Funny you say that, there *is* a draft script that you can find on the LMW
Technically four versions if you count each variant of this draft (the Steinkellner version and the other version)
What if they get reused as mid-queals?
Toy Story 4 actually *does* has a lost version.
EDIT: @Spin_Music beat me to it :P
@@HemmasStudios_ could I get a link or directions to this original Toy Story 4 draft?
The toy story franchise has some of the most interesting and at times insane production histories in cinema
It's so insane! Every Toy Story movie (other than Lightyear) has had multiple, wildly different versions.
Definitely agree that the first version could've been great as a half-hour Toy Story tv special, not unlike the ones Pixar themselves produced years like Toy Story of Terror or Toy Story that Time Forgot.
I just realized the plot of toys missing one by one is the exact plot of Toy Story of Terror
Except that one us Halloween and the original was Christmas.
I don't know why Pixar does all these unnecessary sequels when they're excellent scripts that can be used for interquels
They did do Monsters University if that means anything.
It’s so cool how Weezy was part of the main gang in this script I really liked Weezy and I wished he did join Buzz and the others to rescue Woody in TS2.
Such a shame we never got to have this adventure as canon (particularly the first version). It'd be awesome if canned stories were later released as novels for fans.
I would love if they revived this as a D+ special, but with Toy Story of Terror existing, I think they're too similar for that to be a reality :(
Circle 7 is such a fascinating what-if for Disney, love the work you've done showcasing all these unmade scripts
I’m glad you like the videos! Circle 7 is such a fascination of mine, purely because I feel like a lot of the people involved writing, animating, etc got such a raw deal. So much talent wasted. I love getting to showcase their work and giving them some shine!
What an insane script! I thin the overall story is very weak for a third Toy Story, but it would be awesome as direct-to-DVD movie spin-off
You should definitely do the Buzz Recall draft next.
I think he did
@@Timegod2006no, no he didn’t
Sorry my mistake
@@markjackson6431I’m pretty sure he did
@@normanmccultureboy6492 then show me. literally went through all 52 videos. there’s nothing about the Recall draft. he mentions it but there isn’t hasn’t been a dedicated video about it. so show the proof since you are so confident
I really like the first Whodunnit story
it’s really cute and I could imagine watching it along with 1 and 2
I wholeheartedly agree
I actually really like the first whodunnit draft, maybe one day it can be realized in some way. Also, this channel is really underrated! Keep it up man!
Thank you for the kind words! Glad you enjoy!
You're Toy Story 3, you're Toy Story 3, you're Toy Story 3?
I'M TOY STORY 3! Are there any other Toy Story 3s I should know about?
Toy Story 3: “Meow”
I'm Toy Story 3 and so's my wife!
This got me, not gonna lie.
.....MEOW
@@HemmasStudios_Pixar: I’m outta here.
Ive heard about the circle 7 Toy Story 3 version but never heard about the this one or that blended family draft. Somedays you learn something new
The Blended family draft, I don’t think *anyone* knew about. I only found out about it accidentally when I was talking to Jim!
the mashed potato edit is genius lol
Cheri also really liked that edit when she saw the video :)
Interesting script. But Toy Story 3 is already perfect so this would’ve been good as a side project. Interesting how Toy Story went through so many revisions. I’m hoping to see a Toy Story 4 draft!
The early Toy Story 4 draft I've read is *wild*
Had to check this out when saw this in my suggestions!
Glad you're here!
this things are basically canon fanfics
HA! That's a great way to put it!
@@HemmasStudios_ is there more disney movies cancelled that got a full plot?
@HemmasStudios_ I thought the same thing!! 😆
You should do the canceled of Toy Story 3 where buzz is trapped in Taiwan and his friends rescues him
Oh, of course! It's my most requested video of all time, so I want it to be special! It'll come in due time...
@@HemmasStudios_ and I liked the canceled monsters Inc 2 lost in Scaradise I was disappointed that it was canceled and circle 7 was shut down, and can you do an another canceled movie after Toy Story 3 where buzz is trapped in Taiwan?
They threw this away and said “nah, let’s just rip off the Brave Little Toaster…”
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As a massive fan of Brave Little Toaster, TS3 isn't any more of a 'ripoff' than TS in general is. Which is to say, not at all. I think it happened to use similar themes, which isn't a bad thing. 3 is still the perfect finale to the Toy Story series and honestly the similarities to Brave Little Toaster make me like it more.
@@fawfulthegreat64 I read somewhere that the man who started Pixar wrote the original draft of the Brave Little Toaster, so he was familiar with the themes (borrowed from the book) and the plot.
To this day, I can’t really enjoy TS3 because it feels too much like they just remade the Brave Little Toaster.
Bro’s eventually gonna cover every single draft of Toy Story 3.
I hope so 😊
That's the plan!
@@HemmasStudios_ YEAAAAHHHH!! 🤘🎸
Yay the Toy Story 3 script I’ve been looking forward to the most, when I asked about this script on the Toy Story 2 video I didn’t think that I would finally be hearing it. Now all that’s left is the legendary recall script and the scrapped Toy Story 3 trilogy will be complete.
Once I realized the Blended Family version was 1 draft, the Whodunnit version had 2 drafts, and the Recall version had 3 drafts... it seemed a little too perfect ;)
@@HemmasStudios_ At this point you are the Circle 7 Animation historian on UA-cam.
@@HemmasStudios_wait, the recall version had three drafts?!?
@@smartass643 Yup! In the Blended family video, Jim mentioned that he was chosen to re-write the Recall version, which means:
- Pre Jim Herzfeld Draft (presumably the first draft)
- Jim Herzfeld's re-write
- At the end of production, Rob Muir and Bob Hilgenberg (who wrote Monsters Inc 2, and Bob sometimes makes a cameo in the comments section, Hi Bob!) did a re-write.
So that gets us to 3 confirmed, but I wouldn't be shocked if there was an earlier, Pre- Pre Jim Herzfeld draft.
I would’ve been down for a 2-D toy story movie in the early 2000s if it wasn’t called Toy Story 3.
And finally after that the recalled storyline!
All in due time :)
@@HemmasStudios_ take your time bud!
NGL I’m glad the “Whodunnit” versions of Toy Story 3 weren’t the one we got. Woody seems really OOC, the plot doesn’t look like it could sustain 90+ minutes, and the sock monkeys’ redemptions sound rushed AF
The first script actually sounds really really good.
At least we finally got more in-depth with that one alternative storyline before Buzz gets recalled draft. Plus, I seen that some elements like a villain being bitter that they've been replaced. The Chatty Kathy doll that later inspire Gabby Gabby., the sock monkey would become Sock Ape in Toy Story That Time Forgot, them being sent to a garbage truck to their near death. As well as the mystery part of the story being used for Toy Story of Terror.
I FORGOT ABOUT THE SOCK APE.
@@HemmasStudios_ You know who I also forgotten that Periwinkle would later inspire Dragon the vicious antique store cat. in Toy Story 4. Which was inspired by an alternate car chase scene where Woody would ride Scud like a bucking horse.
Well, I think it also be noted that elements of these 2 scripts DID make it into the animation SOMEWHAT; there's a sock monkey in 'Toy Story That Time Forgot', and of course, we all know Gabby-Gabby by now. So, I suppose that counts. =)
Sounds like a fun movie, but I’m glad we got the Toy Story 3 we know that expands on the Toy Story universe as a Toy Story sequel should
Bro How Many Versions Had Toy Story 3 💀💀💀💀
Not counting the released version, to my knowledge, *there's three, actually*
@@HemmasStudios_ oh… ok 💀💀
@@HemmasStudios_Really, only three? Funny, seemed like more.
@smartass643 *fantastic* reference
@@HemmasStudios_ ah, I see you are a crash fan of culture
Oh my god I’m so excited to listen!! Please please please keep uploading these lost drafts of Pixar movies ❤
Yeah, I’m kind of glad we got the toy story three we got because it definitely made more sense
It's amazing to know that there was an even earlier version of Toy Story 3, which didn't even carry the name Toy Story 3 in the 2002 draft, which was intended to be in 2D, and that there are 2 variants is probably the most curious and interesting thing that i have known in a long time.
If one day you talk about Toy Story 4, you should know that it also had several versions throughout its production, only unlike Toy Story 3, all versions were developed by Pixar.
1. The first draft from 2013 written by Ben Karlin.
2. The Rom-Com version written by Rashida Jones and Will McCormack.
3. A version before the final version where Bo Peep left with a girl (probably Harmony) at the ending.
4. Another version before the final version where she had a post-apocalyptic type appearance and she was a kind of Robin Hood.
Holy shoot! Really discovered a whole a lot of interesting things from this video.
Hemmas always keeps delivering the goods, like always.
Both versions are sick!! Kinda sad we didn’t get them. Toy Story 5: Whodunit anyone?
two great episodes in one, definitely worth the wait! thanks mate
Very happy you enjoyed!
this is such good timing, i read the circle 7 draft of the murder mystery script a few days ago and thought it was just total garbage. the original version sounds a lot better than what the rewrite was 😭
Ohhh that makes much more sense, i guess there's two scripts of the murder mystery plot lol
Yup! Both scripts are covered in the video!
A new video let’s go!! Gosh I love this channel
Very happy that you like the videos :)
Lowkey glad this didn't happen and also sad it didn't happen - the bit with the pull string doll and the letter blocks is terrifying - that never would've made it to the final film even if Disney were committed to this script
yknow, its probably extremly unlikely, but i hope that maybe one day, the original version of cars 2 written in 2007ish (?) will be found and featured on this channel
I feel like Toy Story 3 could have been scarier. It was okay though. Its crazy how no one ever believes Woody.
I spent 30 minutes after seeing your other video about this draft and found barely any info. Great work dude I’m subbing
Thank you for the kind words! To your point, I couldn't find much info, early on, about this version of the movie. I only learned most of this stuff by talking to Cheri and Bill!
This could've easily been rewroked into toy story toon since this feels like an ancestor to those stories
Both of these honestly don't sound good at all, but I would have picked the original script if I had to pick one. So far the blended family draft seems like the far better if we couldn't get the TS3 we actually got.
The first story is incredible. No shade on the real Toy Story 3, but this is a far more original story.
10:21 the scene gave me goosebumps...
That scene is my favorite scene of either script, by a large margin!
I never understand how those versions of toy story 3 was gonna be about, very interesting
Since i Love history, there's some cancelled fnaf movie projects back in 2015
Oh, yeah. I remember first hearing about this cancelled sequel back in 2012 and being absolutely fascinated and wanting to know more, but I just kinda had to move on in the years following... until now.
Love this series, another great episode!
I'm glad you enjoy!
That would be actually such a good short, that they could release as one of those illustrated books pixar does sometimes
That first draft, man. Aside from the ending, that one was freaking great.
you are so cool! very underrated channel!
You're pretty cool, yourself, x3zack!
I wanna say Toy Story of Terror is based off that 3rd movie draft, it’s similar in tone and is also a murder mystery sort of story. They’re doing a 5th movie so maybe they could still do that story but who knows
NEW PIXAR LORE JUST DROPPED
I actually love both of these scripts
I wished it was asked to them: do you think any element inspired the real toy story 3?
The furnace! If it came from there, it was really good dramatic element in TS3
I just ran into your other Toy Story videos this weekend so wild that a new one released today, ha. I don't particularly like the idea of either draft as Toy Story 3 proper but there are some really fun ideas - especially the building block scene - and could have made for a fun special like Toy Story That Time Forgot etc.
Regardless, every Toy Story draft you've covered have all managed to be much, much better than Toy Story 4.
The building block scene was actually the last part of the video I did- I kept procrastinating because I was so enamored with how to do it- such great stuff!
And as far as these being better than Toy Story 4, *I agree*
Watching this makes me more Hyped for Toy Story 5 🤩🤩🤩
Personally I would’ve liked to see these canned plots as TV specials like the later holiday ones Post the true Toy Story 3.
I love these videos
I'm glad :)
i was not expecting teachers pet at the beginning god i love that show so much
Just we thought this was Tawane stroy. You surprised us with another toy story 3 draft
I wish this came to fruition.
"HOWDY COWBOYS! THIS IS MY NEW FILM" is the best fake trailer meme ever lmao
This video was very good great job
Thank you very much!
Finally, 3D animated sock monkey action.
i like your animation of the plot, its simple but effective :)
the real toy story 3 is a better story for a feature film, but the first draft detective story is fun and would be a good short/episode/special. the second draft seems kind of messy but maybe still better than toy story 4.
Do you think you can do the "Recalled" script next time?
The Recall script is my most requested video ever. It's not going to be the next video, but rest assured, it will definitely happen.
Nicely done - I love Bill & Cheri. But just a reminder, Rob and I did a pretty significant rewrite of the Circle 7 TS3 Recall Buzz draft. It was the script which was ultimately put into production (we were still actively handing in pages) right up until the buyout - then it was Pencils down. ;)
You're totally right- in retrospect, I should have phrased it a little differently in the video. I meant that Jim was listed in that initial March 2005 news break about Circle 7 as the TS3 writer. ;)
@@HemmasStudios_ All good - I’m friends with Jim and he knows we saved his draft. Lol KIDDING JIM!!
Toy Story 3 Whodunnit V1 was my favorite of the two. I would watch it. V2 not so much
this is actually a really good script
Now I’m thinking of how both elements from the blended family toy story story and this whodunnit movie could be reworked into toy story 5
Lots of this sounds like it was turned into Toy Story of terror
Eisner gave some decent notes on that draft it looks like
Those notes are actually the notes of Cheri and Bill *based on* Eisner's notes. :P
@@HemmasStudios_ oh, isn't that interesting
This series is back
Wow, so much to make this take it to Netflix and make it original movie the screen writers to rewrite the script
First There Was The Whodunnit Version, Then The Rewritten Whodunnit Version, Then The Blended Family Version, Then The Recalled Buzz Version, And THEN The Daycare Version, That's FIVE Versions For ONE Movie, Forget The Woody Being Too Mean In The Black Friday Reels And Toy Story 2 Being Deleted Then Rewritten, Toy Story 3 Has The Most Complicated History
This easily could’ve been made… Sounds like such a cosy detour, narratively, taking place during a blizzard on an old ranch, etc… The actual Toy Story 3 (2010) would’ve had even more resonance this way, as we’d recall characters like Wheezy and Bo Peep’s last appearances here. One more adventure with the gang, so to speak.
The first draft is pretty charming but the second one is a much better mystery since it has more than s single suspect.
Teacher's Pet, used to DRED when that show was on.
I loved Teacher's Pet! (BTW, I loved your Sonic Fan Remix video!)
@@HemmasStudios_ thank you. What about the Weekenders? That was my favorite.
Holy cow you're a true Hemmas Studios OG. You're literally the first person I've ever heard bring up the Weekenders that wasn't somebody who was also on the show. I miss that show, it was such a time capsule of mine (and my friends') lives. :)
@@HemmasStudios_ You should do an episode on it. I can see the thumbnail now: "The show that beat Pokemon". Cause it was one of the first shows that beat Pokemon in ratings.
Time to do more S rank attempts on sonic unleashed while listening to this in the background
*Rooftop Run Theme Intensifies*
Seeing how godawful Toy Story 4 is, I genuinely wish this had been made.
I’m also not a big TS4 fan, either- so I agree!
I had a gut feeling Hehe did it in the first draft
This and the blended version have a romance of Buzz and Jessie that includes them kissing, flirting, and end with both of them doing something flirty. I swear this is too much for kids glad they toned it down for the other films.
These sound similar to what was made in Toy Story of Terror and Toy Story That Time Forgot
To be fully honest, this plot sounds kinda confusing, and it doesn’t feel much like a Toy Story movie to me. It seems like a good thing to me that we got something else
Unpopular opinion: out of the two drafts, the final one seemed more put together, coherent, and interesting
Yeah, the first one is very charming but kinda fails as a whoddunit. It only has one real suspect.
“Calm down gladiola we’re your friends”
“Shut up woody and buzz I’ll kill you”
I think Adam West would have been a great voice for Hee-Hee
Interesting drafts but the sock monkey twist is a bit obvious.
Toy Story 3: The Gladioli Affair would be a great title for the movie
I love the romantic scenes between Buzz and Jessie, Buzz and Jessie are my Number 1 favorite Disney Couple 🥰
This would be a good short film
These might have been fun and better than Toy Story 4