The Terrible Version of Woody That Almost Destroyed Pixar
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- There's one version of Woody that was meant for the original Toy Story that almost ended the run Pixar is on before it started. Woody is a Pixar character that has defined their flagship films all the way up to Toy Story 4 and yet, he was almost the reason the first movie wasn't made. There's a reel that is floating around the web that shows exactly what went wrong with this version of the character. This reel also shows exactly what saved the Toy Story franchise.
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I DID NOT lump the wheel, Auto, in Wall-E in with the villains as he’s more of a narrative than obstacle than a character IMO!
Also: If you want more info about how the Black Friday reel came into existence, search katzenberg! Cut a line about Cohen vs coen so the joke isn’t there, but to be clear, not of the Coen brothers! A villain, is not any character that provides an obstacle, or a hurdle, it isn’t even every person that does something wrong within a narrative structure. The wheel, or AI, in Wall-e is not a villain, nor does Pixar classify him or it that way.
Have you considered doing a video on FlapJack? It was a pretty good show in my opinion and I don't normally hear it as often
Startstruck by Disney has some of the best songs in any Disney movie ever and is incredibly cringe
Loving the episodes, man. The episode on Dexter and Courage was awesome, but just for me (and I'm sure other people too) my love for animation started a couple years before that, and I would love to see you do a synopsis on Hannah Barbara shows - and you haven't really... Flintstones, Scooby Doo and Johnny Quest.
And eventually work to mah man Johnny Bravo.
Would love to hear what you have to say about those shows. Much love from South Africa.
What do you mean wall-e doesnt have a villain.... its the steering wheel. You could call the villan the human ignorance but imbodied in the ship they made, but it is a clear villain.
Loved the vid
Please do As Told By Ginger , I’ve been asking for this for a while
I feel like you can still see traces of Woody's darker characterization in the first film. He's a lot more cantankerous and rude to the other toys than he would be in later Toy Story films.
That's what character development means.
They still wanted him to be flawed just not evil. So he went from a dictator to a well intentioned control freak.
@@Superluigi881 i thought it was just him having an Ego from being the favorite toy
Yeah. In the final version of the film, Woody was a bit of a jerk in some moments though I can tell that it was most likely from his initial jealously towards Buzz stealing his position as Andy's favorite toy.
Aha aha *GIVE ME THAT*
I can understand where Pixar was coming from with the original version of Toy Story. Woody becomes a huge jerk to everyone, but then he realizes what friendship is all about, and he becomes a good guy at the end. The problem was that they made Woody too much of a jerk. It's to the point where you didn't want him to learn a lesson, you want him gone.
Thank goodness Pixar changed it all up and gave us the Woody we all know and love today.
He was too shallow for anyone to ever believe the transition from bad guy to good guy could happen. It's more than just being an irritating character no one wants to see anymore, let alone see be redeemed, he's just too evil to believe he could ever change. He has no depth.
This is my problem with Lightning in the first Cars. He's far too insufferable for me to buy his redemption, or even WANT to see him redeemed. I want to see him crash.
Well duh. It's called writing a story. Obvious you take out and change things that won't work. Smh
@@Wawagirl17 For me it's Oscar from Shark Tale. That character is so arrogant and makes the dumbest decisions, I just want him to get eaten by a shark rather than learning something.
And for almost 25 years he’s become one of P.I.X.A.R’s best developed characters, I mean just look at his transition from the Original Toy Story to the recent Toy Story 4!
You forgot to mention one important piece of information: apparently it was the Disney execs themselves who wanted a darker, more mature Woody. Pixar reluctantly complied and somehow the execs were surprised when the result was terrible.
Exces: surprised Pikachu
They probably didn't meant literally over the top lol
And it was none other then jeffrey katzenberg.
guessing by the woody we have now, they wanted someone redeemable at least
@@helpfulplaylists3933 He probably thought villainous is how people normally interact with another
Woody being the jerk in toy story one ❌
Everybody being a jerk to Woody in toy story one✔
They learned that making Potato Head the jerk was where it's at.
Technically it was only Potato Head who was constantly going against Woody and insulting him. The other toys only joined in after he convinced them that Woody pushed Buzz out the window on purpose.
It was pay back for how woody acted in the Black Friday Reel...
*big brain*
Actually, no, Woody WAS kind of a jerk, he was egotistical and bossy, but at the end of the movie though he learns what being a LEADER is really like. A leader is not someone who tells you what to do, but someone who helps there teammates become better and overcome problems together.
_how the hell did woody not swear, he was so close to it_
Apparently Tom hanks did initially swear when recording his lines and they had him keep doing new takes until he forgot to swear
There are preschool toys present
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Kenneth Diamondheart teachers swear all the time when they’re mad now
"This isn't flying! It's falling, with style!" Has to be one of the best full-circle callbacks ever. Woody originally says it when he and Buzz are nemeses both to have a stab at him, but also make fun of the fact that Buzz thinks he's the 'real' Buzz Lightyear. Then after everything they go through, Woody learning to be more tolerant and accepting, Buzz learning that he actually really isn't the 'real' Buzz, and the pair learning to get along, work together, even like and respect each other, Buzz says it in the final triumphant moments of their arc, and it cements everything they've gone through in a beautifully neat little way. Now that's good writing.
Shut up
@@DarthTrilluminati you shut up
I feel like something similar happens with Woody’s interactions with Forky. Throughout Toy Story 4 there’s conflict about Forky’s considering himself trash. Woody tries to convince Forky that he’s more than that: that Forky is a toy. This is very different than when he said it to Buzz though. With Buzz, Woody is somewhat cynical about toys just being playthings for kids. But I think between 1 and 4 Woody’s outlook changes, probably thanks to his time with the Roundup crew in 2. He sees toys as something to cherish now. And upon meeting Forky, and seeing how much Bonnie cherishes him, he has to convey that to Forky who has his own cynical mindset of only seeing himself as a mess of parts thrown together at a whim.
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@@abns5929 why does people like this lol your wrong
@@bobbyward2440 it's obviously a joke lol
Moral of the story: Re-reading and Re-writing is very important. Seriously, the way he spoke to Slinky was flat out disturbing.
That's where Frozen is HEAVILY flawed. If Toy Story is the right way to launch a franchise, then that is how NOT to launch one.
Thunderbird 1 nearly all of Frozen was rewritten though
*now slink, or im throwing you off.*
He legit told him that his job isn't to think.
Holy fuck you're soft
Fun fact of the day: Andy used to wear glasses in these drafts
Fun fact:that’s actually his dad
Ha nerd
@@succulentcranberry Ha nerd
They were going to do something different for Toy Story 3. Andy was actually the son of another person, who had polio as a kid, and had glasses because of it. Woody is the only Woody in the world also. They were doing a drawing for woody dolls from woodie's roundup, but "the spaceships went up, and never came down". They ended up sending his dad the only Woody to exist which is why he "doesn't know who he is". Apparently his dad died of post polio syndrome.
This actually comes from the creator of toy story.
who gives a SHIT???🤣🤣🤣
I always hate the mantra of "kids don't get complex characters"
Ironically, kids are more empathetic and understanding than most adults...
TheGoldenDunsparce Yep
Can you shut up about the mantra!!
-will ferrel
Totally agree! I remember I understood some adult aimed films by the time I was 6 or 7. Many kids ENJOY thinking. They're A LOT smarter than people give them credit for!
@@thunderbird1921 in many ways, it's not even that they have to "think" consciously to understand what is going on as well. I know as a kid I wouldn't be able to explain it, but I understood
Tom Hanks literally cannot play a villain. It is physically impossible for him. He just exudes kindness and wholesomeness
@Axtwyt Starkiller THERES NO CRYING! THERES NO CRYING IN BASEBALL
Tell that to Isaac Kappy.
In the movie "The Circle" Tom Hanks played a villain, and somehow Emma Watson (the hero) did more bad things than he did. Sure, the script was bad, but still.
The circle wasn’t a good movie to me. I dunno why because I haven’t seen it in so long but I just remember coming away from it dissatisfied.
@@Stereo6400
I also didn't like the movie. I think a big reason is the script. Somehow the hero (Emma Watson) was a better villain tham the actual villain (Tom Hanks), and it seemed to me that she even became the villain at the end, yet the movie considered the final shot to be a good thing.
We see a glimpse of this Woody when he scares Sid in the first movie
We toooyys, can see [spinning his head à la Regan McNeil] eeeeeeeeev'ryyyyyyyythiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnn'! [springs life in front of the now terrorized Sid] So, play NICE!!!
Woody being a jerk in the early version can be pretty much blamed on then-Disney studio chairman Jeffrey Katzenberg's demand that the movie be "darker and edgier."
Interesting thing to point out for those curious: It wasn't Disney who wanted "darker and edgier" it was Katzenberg, and after his dismissal in 1995, Katzenberg later would co-found DreamWorks animation in order to make Shrek and other films. The "darken and edgier" is still there, it's just in DreamWorks Animation now, very cool piece of history here.
@@LordBlueRouge Actually, Katzenberg left Disney in 1994, a few months after The Lion King came out.
I was also quite disappointed that Katzenberg was not mentioned in this video because Woody's earliest personality and the general "edgy" tone is on record for being due to Katzenberg's insistence and that Lasseter at one point said that at this point the movie was no longer the movie he wanted to make and was on board with cancelling the movie altogether unless allowed to make the movie he wanted to make.
This whole fiasco inspired a creepypasta called The Black Friday Incident, in which the writers get so frustrated with time constraints and the "darker and edgier" requirement that they turned the original draft into a feverish nightmare and ended up dying from stress. By the end of it, Woody starts ripping out chunks of his own flesh and scars the team of executives at Disney.
"It's not a phase, Disney!"
I’m glad they changed Woody. He is a complete jerk in this scene...
Well,in the movie he is a nice cowboy.
I'm kinda glad they changed woody to be honest with you
I'm so curious to know what Toy Story would be with Woody as villain, though. It probably wouldn't be the feel-good romp that the final product was, but it would probably have a pretty big cult following
i kinda want to see where it would have gone tbh.
Toy Story is simply a remake of The Christmas Toy. A 1986 made for Disney Channel movie that Jim Henson did.
Scar isn’t relatable? I don’t know about that. I to am a social outcast lion, longing to overtake my brother as king of our pride.
Ow the edge
@@Han_Niche Shad hog
@@Han_Niche That's the joke
Scar and Jafar are not good villlain, thanos is a very relatable villan. Not because he is a very strong and evil bad guy who wants all the power for him, but because he have a strong motivation which shapes his personality that makes a very relatable and 3rd character.
@@seriousguy2160 Yes cause everyone can relate to a power hungry tyrant who wants nothing more than to impose his way on others by wiping out half of all life
I love how nobody is talking about how woody called slink a “spring wiener.” 😂 it’s comedy gold.
Adia Aud that’s the one thing that should have been left in.
Prob wouldnt get it
Like me
That was my nickname in high school
C O M E D Y G O L D
not funny
*Plot Twist:* It appeared that Woody has an evil twin brother...
*_"WE NEED MORE EDGE!!!"_* ~ Pixar
Isn't that basically what happened in toy story 2 with Buzz?
Wait,wait,wait!
Is this a refference to that horror story? :D
@@lainhikaru5657 No. Lotso was based on the original concept of Woody. Even Lotso was originally intended to be in the first movie but due to lack of technology that makes fur texture, he was scrapped until in the third movie.
*THIS FILM NEEDS MORE EDGE*
Edgy teenagers be like
"Do any of these have Villains? No."
Coco: :\
You just have to SEIZE YOUR MOMENT
@@the_fatcowboy8097 N O
Except that's not what he said at all. He made that argument for like Wall-e, but when he highlights Coco he specifically says that the villain is used more as a narrative piece or they're not really important to tell that story. We know there's a villain yeah, but the guy wasn't refuting that; he was agreeing with you.
@@symphony-of-the-mint2008 Humor.
Ok
I'm starting to become convinced that you're running a factory to make these videos because you produce them so often and with such good quality
It could very well be a corporate channel . And something tells me that he has people helping him research
He already has a main channel NerdWriter1 so this videos are probably just to get the channel started with plenty of content
Elijah -HE what? This isn’t the same guy as Nerdwriter1 my man, this is a different person from Nerdwriter1
@@awesomeirlable not a corporate channel lol, but he has hired a few people, like at least an editor, to help him with the stuff to the best of my knowledge.
Dell12 16 Proof? I’m not 100% sure but they both have similar editing, the narrator is the same and the names are almost identical.
“NERDwriter1” and “NERDstalgic”
It seems that when we humanize the villain, the story becomes much more interesting, relatable.
When we dehumanize the villain, we become more at ease in their demise.
When I see a villain acting extra-horrible for no real reason, I interpret it as a signal of upcoming events: "We're about to end this character in a horrifically painful way, but first we'll make it apparent they are a real jerk so you don't have to feel guilty for reveling in their pain."
No shit
making you're villain 'sympathetic' doesn't automatically make it interesting
Honestly, I think an evil ventriloquist dummy Woody could be a cool villain. We've already had Buzz encounter other Buzzes, so reusing the mean, manipulative Black Friday Woody as a foil for the Woody we know and love could totally work.
Honestly just hearing woody’s voice and insults made me feel bad
Crazy fact: Toy Story 2 was almost a dark film as well (but not this dark). Disney was planning a straight-up heroes (Buzz and Woody) vs crazy villain film until Pixar regained full control of production. They almost completely rewrote it, and made it the emotional masterpiece so many love.
Thunderbird 1 imagine having toy story as a horror film
@@bunnybunbun2660 Have you seen Toy Story of Terror? They kinda did that (although it feels more like a horror comedy mixed with a spy thriller).
Evil Woody aside, seeing Bo-Peep accuse Woody, and actively participate in throwing him out the window, killed me inside.
Also really interesting how they reworked the old versions of villain Woody into the sequels. Pete had Woody's cutthroat cruelty hidden behind his old west mannerisms, Lotso had his manipulation and power as a leader of toys, and Gabby is an old doll wanting to be accepted by a child who uses ventriloquist dummies as her servants to get what she wants. It's like after Toy Story they had Woody constantly battling the worst parts of himself which makes it all so much deeper.
TempleAmarok that’s great insight. Thanks.
I think Pete was *absolutely* designed as a rebuttal to the original Woody design. The other two may have evolved into that due to the themes of growing old and losing one's childhood, but Pete literally WAS a selfish, angry western doll. It's pretty clear.
That really opens up for me a lot of appreciation for Toy Story
Toy story = persona 4 confirmed?
The only reason the ventriloquist dummies worked for was Gabby wad because they need a puppet master. Gabby is the perfect puppet master.
Even worse was hearing Bo-Peep accuse Woody and actively participate in throwing him out the window. Evil and cruel Woody aside, that part killed me within.
Correction:
Coco has a villain, Ernesto de la Cruz
He killed Hector, stole his music, and even attempted to kill Hector AGAIN in the Land of the Dead after he pushed Hector into the pit with Miguel
Ernesto de la Cruz even tried to kill Miguel which was when at that point the entire Land of the Dead(or the once living humans that were there) saw Ernesto hold Miguel and drop him down off the ledge of the building
Most of the movies they brought up had villains, but I guess that didn't fit the argument. Monsters Inc had 2 (and a half) with one being hand-waived, Wall-E had Auto, Up had Muntz, and Ratatouille had Chef Skinner (they were right about Ego not really being a villain so much as a goal or standard).
The difference between Pixar villains and conventional villains is that many times it is the hero who invades the villains territory. Conventional villains have an agenda in place, which they attempt to impose on the heroes and their worlds in some way. Pixar heroes, on the other hand, seem to stumble into the villain's already established worlds and unintentionally transform into the very forces that overturn them.
He said that either there weren't villains or that they weren't as important to the story as the emotionals part, not that every movie he showed didn't have one
Yeah, but up until the last 30 minutes of the movie, there isn’t even a villain. It’s focused on Miguel finding a way to gain his family’s acceptance of music, while also returning to the Land of the Living, through Ernesto’s blessing. In fact, we only find out Ernesto is the villain because Hector shows up at the very end. But they never really went into Ernesto’s past or anything, outside of Hector’s death, but he’s definitely more complex of a character than traditional Disney villains were. But really, he’s only there to sway the narrative of the main story and raise the stakes. If Ernesto hadn’t have thrown them in the sinkhole and instead, had just killed Miguel or put him somewhere else, neither would have realized their relation, and in turn, the goal changes from gaining musical acceptance for himself, and instead, familial acceptance for his long lost great-great-grandfather who had wrongly been killed before he could apologize to his wife for leaving. He’s no longer fighting for his own wants, but for the needs of his family, living and dead, those being their connection to Hector and Coco, and their generations-old hatred of music.
A Bug’s Life had Hopper. Literally the second PIXAR film ever. I mean, Toy Story 2 literally had what three, four villains? Lol
Okay so Woody is horrible here but that's kind of like the most impressive voice work from Tom Hanks and I'm kind of bummed we didn't get that lol
Centipede Princess I'm sorry, but I think we have plenty of Tom Hanks yelling at stuff
@@mrs.schmenkman "plenty" isn't how you spell "not nearly enough", you silly goose.
Yeah it would have been good if they would have been able to do something like Toy Story 2 with the Other Buzz,
Zoe Kin he is
Woody was gonna be like Lotso?
6:44 _who's the villain in Wall-E_
Bro that wheel looking dude
He is the most cold hearted in the world
*Auto*
Auto's a robot that was doing his job.
@OpticalJW
All robots in that movie have awareness, even if it meant abandoning its only job
Auto was inspired by HAL 9000 i guess
Yeah but i say there's still a place for charismatic evil villains. Villains like Cruella, Scar and Jafar are very fun to watch, memorable and help the movie by a lot. They are much better than Disney's now lame twist villains with barely any charisma or memorable character or personality. Give me Maleficent over sheep from Zootopia any day
I love the entertaining unapologetically evil characters. Maleficent is Disney’s golden standard for pure evil characters done right. Their was no excuse for how she acted or what she did, even Scar, Jafar and Hades had proper motivation for being evil. Maleficent is evil from the start, is feared and respected in equal measure and committed evil for petty reasons just because she can and enjoyed every moment.
I think the problem was that Black Friday Woody actually just sounds like an abusive step-dad. It wasn't the exaggerated charismatic evil it just made kids feel like Dad was drunk again.
Well, those are from Disney, not Pixar.
I think villains like Bellwether (the sheep) have their place and can serve a story better. For one example, Zootopia was all about perception of social groups, so having a twist villain and challenging Judy's perceptions serves the story and themes. Hans of Frozen was also similarly mostly a plot device, the focus was on the sisters and their love for each other, so the typical fairy tale love with Hans is shown as often too good to be true in favor of sisterly love (although they kind of cheat with Christoph, but whatever. The focus was clearly on the sisters).
I agree that more "evil" charismatic and fun to watch villains have their place too, and I like seeing both.
This is why I love Izma and Krunk so much from the Emperor's New Groove.
That’s interesting that woody was originally a ventriloquist dummy and then in the last movie there was a ventriloquist dummy
the ventriloquist dummies in toy story 4 gave me actual nightmares
DANGER MEN AT WORK
They made me think of Slappy from goosebumps
They look like they were modeled after Woody's old design
UmUrso Amarelado ..... I said it was interesting not that it meant anything
UmUrso Amarelado relax professor it’s talking toys I didn’t think you were so dedicated to it
This is so weird to see because i loved woody growing up (the new version, obviously) it’s kinda creepy seeing him act like that because we know him now as a great character with a big heart.
um no he's still an asshole in the actual movie
This is basically Woody if he became the Lotso of Andy's Room
Bo peep's early death did it to him.
@@EdgieAlias What do you even mean?
I read that as andre room
@@emmanuelharris6445 is a joke don't think too much into it
...or Stinky Pete
“Toy Story is a story about redemption”
Redemption? 🤔
Cowboy? 🤔
Red Dead Redemption 😎
Compare Uncle to Stinky Pete 🧐
Justice ain't no lady, she's a twisted, battered whore.
I preferred Entry Point
I saw that part and looked for this comment
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I will forever find it scary to hear Tom Hanks voice Woody like this
Hearing & seeing Woody be so mean is so... Disconcerting. Don't like that. :(
Black Friday Woody showed up in that car scene in Toy Story 3. How quickly people forget. A total BULLY. I absolutely HATE that scene for what it made him.
Isn't Lotso pretty much Black Friday Woody 2.0?
whats black friday woody??
@@justyouraveragemartian783 The Woody this video talks about in the initial draft of Toty Story
@@dragondog7886 ohhhhhh thank you
I just noticed Woody's first words were "reach for the sky" and his last were "and beyond"
I'm actually curious as to what the rest of the film would have been like if they finished this version of it.
Since it was hero vs villain, I imagine the other toys would have gone and rescued Buzz, then had a showdown and got rid of Woody. in the Epilogue Andy would question it at first, but because Buzz is the new toy with a new exciting show, he’d forget about Woody and Buzz would take his place, and he’d start playing with all his toys with Buzz being the hero.
@@papabumba478 Geez, that alternate version makes me sad just to think about. It's so wrong, lol.
Wawagirl17 haha yeah, now we have known woody as a good guy for 20 years it sounds odd to be talking about killing him/getting rid of him as a positive.
I just imagine that’s how it would have gone considering in the film that’s sort of how it starts with Woody being jealous and worried Andy will forget about him in favour of new toy Buzz.
Interestingly, some people intensely disliked Jessie at first when she was introduced for similar reasons to this Woody version. She was not only very bitter at first, she nearly rips off Woody's other arm in a fit of rage. If that wasn't rough enough, the TS2 promotional art shows her grinning and winking arrogantly. What saved her character is they had her discover the truth through Woody, drop her bitterness and become a FAR more humble, loving and caring character (both in the second and third films). When they did that, Jessie's popularity SOARED. Now she's one of the most loved in the whole franchise.
Woody would've killed sid
Chill OUT Woody, chill. When you were running the animatic with Woody yelling at Slinky, I felt like he was yelling at me personally and it scared me a bit.
Woody was my favorite character in the movie as a little kid, and still my fav now.
Good Woody: YOU. ARE A. JEEERK!!
That Woody is terrifying! Truly abusive.
oh you would love that wouldn't you
abusive, toxic, all the words you ever want to use. to think about it is already make you wet
or not. you might be a decent human
@@apidas I think what he is trying to say.. is that we live in society that likes to judge people.. or label them.. and tbh.. though unpopular.. I agree with him.. we do judge a lot.. also there is a big difference between abusive and being passionate.. To feel strongly in one's own convictions about particular thing/cause/topic/theme.. but often the two are mixed up.. even with someone who is accused of being abusive, it's too biased to say what was actually in their own mind/head/experiences..
Though yes are many distinctions between them.. and many times things are clear/less clear than what we choose to believe.. we should live in a society that listens to what other people have to say not shut them down.. being able to express one's own thoughts/opinions is a product of a free society and also one that is full of compassion/heart.. but do so respectfully.. we must seek to understand the other.. and remain patient and have heart..
I believe it is the product of an imperfect (semi- makeshift) society.. one that is not fully complete.. where people are given the true merit of what they actually deserve.. it's more of human based society than it is a scientific/where one strives to understand the other. where we have limits, is where there is unfortunately injustice.. as with most things.. there is often a multi-layered/multi-faceted aspects to story we have to tell..
Snowflake clealry born in 2005+
You are abusive yourself sweetie~💕
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what are these replies lmao
Did did woody just *YEET* buzz out the window
He certainly did
He did did
Yeet-haw, partner!
@@WxIxLxLxIxAxMxS you've yeed your last haw
Correct correct
Wow, your editing skills are amazing. I love the effort you've put into transitions and explanatory shots.
This is super high quality production values. Great job!
2:12 I felt Slinky when that Hey Arnold music hit 😔
They took the concept that didn’t work for Toy Story and applied it to Bug’s Life if you really pay attention. And it worked.
Sorta. A bugs life is still my least favorite Pixar movie pre-Good Dinosaur (yes, that includes cars 2). I think it's unoriginal and kind of lazy, and the racial jokes are a pretty bad take..
@@harrylane4 Bugs Life's is probably among the most sinful of Pixar's catalogue, with its biggest sin being so forgettable. The main character doesn't have a unique design, when he is on-screen with the other ants he gets lost. The villain is very outlined unlike its predecessor or other Pixar movies. The grasshopper oppresses the ants just because and he is The villain to defeat, in TS Woody is not the villain for being jealous, Buzz is not the villain for altering Woody's life, and Sid is not the villain, he is just a kid playing with his toys, unaware they are alive, and the movie is not about defeating him. Liar reveal is almost always a negative because it is cliché and tedious to watch. The movie being so old doesn't help the movie one bit, the textures and models are an eyesore.
@@harrylane4 Jokes are not a "take" on anything, hence why they're _jokes_ and not presentations of fact (perceived or otherwise).
I like Bug's Life, it's cute and simple. Plus I really like Hopper. Not every story needs to have a big eye opener. 😊
My favorite part of the movie were the circus bugs.
Virgin good woody vs Chad sinister woody
@@RV-fo8xj vs Thad goody woody
Gad Erotic Fanfic Woody
@@capnm4078 vs wizard lost toy woody
Yeah Good Woody had friends and a girl toy who liked him. Evil Woody would be the creepy incel.
Other way around
Andy *plays with Buzz instead*
Woody: murders him at night
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I would LOVE to see this version of Woody appear as an antagonist in a future Toy Story film. Not the Woody we know and love, but a different toy from the same assembly line who obviously went off the deep end at some stage. Toys are mass produced, there's bound to be some bad batches along the way. Why not make this Woody one from said bad batch?
Like how Two Story 2 had Andy's Buzz Lightyear versus toy-store-display Buzz Lightyear?
@@Stratelier yes, exactly! I would ADORE seeing that!
I love it, it should happen.
isn't woody one of a kind though? i thought somewhere in the lore it says woody was from like a contest or something
@@sonicSnap They said he is a rare antique toy. That doesn't mean there aren't more of him left.
*“You would’ve been hauled off to goodwill a long time ago”*
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As someone who considers Toy Story the best movie of all time.....I lowkey wonder what this original version would of been like lmao....I mean would the audience accept his redemption later on....or would they be appauled by the first half!?
I don't think he was meant to be redeemed in the original version. It sounded like the original Woody was just a full-on villain, meant to be overcome and beaten by the heros like a typical Disney antagonist
IKR! i would love to see an alternate version of this!
That was Disney's request to make Toy Story edgy and adult. Keep in mind, this was when Katzenberg was in charge. Once they screened the entire first half, especially the part where Woody throws Buzz out the window, everyone hated it. Katzenberg asked why it was so terrible, and his colleague replied "Because it's not their movie anymore."
Hm, perhaps they played with the idea of revisiting the black Friday woody with that purple Lots'O bear in the 3rd one. I'm glad they did, it was something a little different; They did a great job with Ernesto de la Cuz by getting you to like him and feel the same betrayal as Miguel did.
Cari Garafalo Lotso wasn’t flat out evil though. He actually believed what he was doing was for the best because kids will forget and move on, if they stayed at the school they would never stop being played with. To stay in heaven they had to sacrifice some toys, the new toys were easier to sacrifice as they didn’t know them. Woody here was just evil and jealous Buzz was the new toy so attempted to kill him.
I wanna see the alternate history where Pixar's black friday reel was successful and they went on to create more adult-oriented animation from that point onward.
I think we would have lived in a universe where traditional animation is mainly associated with kids, while CGI is for the adult demographic.
"You dont deserve to wear a 10 gallon hat on ur pint sized head"
Never thought I'd hear that but here we are
Dude when I was younger I remember watching this and loved every moment of it.. not just because of the pretty colors or the fact that they were talking toys. But the moment when I realized that woody had a "bad side" but also had a good conscience when he did something wrong. And that for me made me love Woody from the beginning. He made mistakes but learned from them. Plus that Buzz amputated arm trick when he was in Sid's room always made me laugh!😂😂
"Ha, ha! Really funny Buzz... 😏😏
THIS IS SERIOUS!!! 😡😡"
“Who is the villain of Wall-e?”
Me: Auto
Me: Obesity/Laziness
Me: YOU IDIOT
Auto is just a Robot programmed to do its job
nothing else
I thought it was spelled Otto?
Unoriginal 156 umbrella nigga
I remember watching the Pixar documentary and I believe that Disney asked Pixar to create an edgy storyline. I think them forcing the writers to re create Toy Story was for the better, but like they asked for edgy and they essentially got it lol.
I wouldn't argue that moana has a villain. The lava monster was the result of a mistake made by a guy who just wanted to be loved.
9:17 This is a scene I genuinely get so ecstatic about that it makes me want to scream in happiness in the same way Woody is.
It remains the most iconic scene in any movie in my opinion and while I understand why you cut it short, I felt sad that it was.
This deleted scene I found on DVD was so disturbing as a kid
This channel has really been scratching my “actual thoughtful analysis of animation that isn’t a dude ranting about how modern cartoons suck” itch that I’ve been having ever since Every Frame A Painting retired.
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Tom Hanks is a national treasure... can’t imagine him EVIL
He's a villain in Ladykillers (2004)
@@danross4770 might be an exception
This didnt age well 😭
@@flightschool1016 what do you mean? Not trying to call you out or anything but I haven’t heard anywhere that Tom hanks has done anything
@@leepurplecat I honestly dont even remember making this comment 😭, but I think i was referring to the child trafficking "wayfair" thing when people like Ellen DeGeneres and others were getting exposed on the internet. Alot of celebrities were involved including your beloved Tom Hanks. Look into it
To people who have seen Pixar's recent movies: Do they still hold up to these sorts of standards?
C.G.I = Computer Generated Animation?? That's not the acronym.
CGA
Computer Generated Imagery
Also, Pregidous? Wtf is that?
Who Dat Ninja Oml 😂
Who Dat Ninja - time stamp please?
The villain of Wall-E is AUTO, though. There's even a fight to stop him in the third act.
I don't know if villain is the right term. Antagonist, certainly - their role in the story is very clearly that of the antagonist. But villain? AUTO isn't really evil, self-serving or ill-intentioned, in the same way that a villain is. AUTO is just an automatic system following instructions which seemed reasonable at the time they were issued. There's no moral judgement, and I don't know if you can have a villain without a moral judgement. AUTO is more just a force that needs to be overcome, like a natural disaster.
@@vylbird8014 What about Lotso in Toy Story 3? Sure his story was tragic, but uses the hurt to become evil, self-serving and full of ill-intent. Even by the end when he had a chance to be redeemed, he chose to save himself and leave Woody and his friends to be burned.
@@dhgmrz17 Lotso is a villain, certainly. Meets all the criteria.
Woody acting mean feels like the teacher you liked in middle school yelling at you.
“pregidous”
I guess there was a stab at spelling a word in there
prejudice
@@gummypuss69 Judgement made preemptively.
This is a surprisingly common misspelling. A quick search finds it everywhere.
I suppose it makes a bit of sense phonetically but if you think of roots, what does pregiding(to pregide) mean?
But really, this guy has been uploading videos for less than two months and theyre already at this high level of quality??
No hes been uploading videos on a gaming channel on too tall desk for a couple years now
“You would have been hung away to goodwill a long time ago” that line though 🤣🤣 10/10
Lol the regular guy voice for slinky is hilarious. When going next to Tom Hank’s Woody.
Anyone else notice how butchered the spelling of prejudice is? "Pregidous" is a new one to me lol
All I know is that it is an Arabic, Russian and German word, a romanization of the word, of course.
Was really hoping that's not what he was going for. That's an embarrassingly bad misspelling...
Pretty sure it's meant to be prodigious.
Edit: No wait hang on a sec you're absolutely right. That is pretty bad.
Look everybody! Somebody made a mistake on the internet!
I just figured it was just a word I didn't know! 😂
Plenty of Pixar films have villains that play the role of a villain. Heck even in a couple of your examples Randle/Waternoose are pretty traditionally villainous. Conflict between Mike and Sully is certainly a big feature of the resolution, but the fear-narrative of children being toxic as a fraud perpetuated by Waternoose to keep selling scare energy, and Randall’s more direct antagonizing as well as his being “in” on the overarching scheme.. these are typical villainous traits and they’re the main conflict and resolution of the plot
In Ratatouille, Ego is an antagonist but not a villain and he ends up being sort of.. redeemed, in the eyes of the film from his more like, “mean” natured reviews. He does sort of create the situation however, with his review taking the Gusteau stars and the implication that his restaurant failing is what kills Gusteau. And that ushers in the plot. Discovering that fact is also what exposes Remy and the rats and leads to them going to Paris. But Chef Skinner is the villain, with pretty typical villainous actions and intents. He has it out for Linguine, he’s power and money-hungry wanting to cheapen Gusteau’s name and image to profit for himself.. spying on and trying to expose Linguine and Remy. Skinner is the main antagonist and villain, though not as “evil” as most villains are.
Auto in Wall-E is as much a villain as HAL on which he’s based. He’s not malicious in a human way, but he does fight against humans and Wall-E to preserve the status quo when he’s presented with opposition. He and the little robot crony he has do villainous things like attempt to destroy Wall-E, the other defective bots, the plant. All to keep the humans placated and status quo retained. That’s his motive.
Other films have extremely typical villains like Syndrome, Lotso huggin bear, Hopper, Charles Muntz, Chick Hicks, Ernesto de la Cruz. Not every film, but a lot do. There can exist an internal protagonist conflict in addition to an external villain/hero one. Stories aren’t limited to 1 conflict.
Well done!
Good argument, with good examples, and well thought out.
I enjoyed reading your argument, and agree, completely: stories can have multiple conflicts, and still be just fine. Too many, is a problem. Too little... and you have no story, not a great one anyway. There need's to be motivation, and meaning, FOR the story. Those multiple conflict's help give more depth to the character's involved. Making them more human- and therefore, more relatable, as we are not limited, ourselves, to one primary conflict in life. People, and characters, need/should have to struggle (conflict)- it builds character (pun, very much, intended), enhances attributes, and allow's one to have a better payoff: both in the real world, and the one's we write to reflect it.
Woody: *LEGIT YEETS BUZZ OUT THE WINDOW*
The closest we'll get to an evil Tom Hanks
Honestly, I would love too see the scene where woody yells at slinky animated.
These Woody lines are good SFM or YTP material
When Pixar has a villain... they are only involved LONG down the line of the story. The first few acts are about the characters dealing with the world around them. Wall-E has to go from a world ruined by human decadence, and then go to that excess's new heights, before we ever see the Wheel. In Monster's INC, they have to encounter the child and struggle with between their desire to protect the child and their society that views it as a threat- long before the snake man and evil CEO get directly involved. The villain is more of the heightened representation of the conflicting forces the characters had to deal with before that.
"The darkest moment in Pixar's history"
Soul's trailer: "I'm bout to ruin this man's whole career"
Wait, what was wrong with the trailer?
@@ammercedes3591 maybe not anything, other than that this guy hates societal progress /hyp
Surely Al from Al's Toybarn was a villain as was Stinky Pete to some degree. These were both clear cut villains with no arc of redemption. And we're talking about the very next film in the series.
And Sid in the first film is a massive villain
@@iknowme I wouldn't say is like purposeful villain though. Yeah he blows up his toys which is horrible to us knowing they're alive but to him he's just messing around.
@@iknowmesid didn't even know the toy's we're alive
The reason why Woody was so unlikeable in this version is because Disney was pushing Pixar to make the movie "edgy," like more adult in tone, and this was the result. Once the executives saw how bad it was, they encouraged Pixar to scrap it and write the characters the way they actually wanted.
Calling Joel Cohen a master of storytelling is being extremely generous. Toy Story is by far the best movie he's worked on, everything else he's known for is stuff like the live-action Garfield movies, Cheaper By The Dozen, and Evan Almighty.
Even Bill Murray thought he was Joel Coen, one half of the Coen Brothers, which was why he wanted to play Garfield to begin with.
Evan Almighty? Eh, I didn't think it was that bad!
Considering Toy Story is a remake of 1986 Jim Henson production movie called "The Christmas Toy" made for the Disney Channel and the creators have never admitted it I get why he mistakenly gives Way TO MUCH CREDIT to the makers of Toy Story.
@@mrs.schmenkman Ok that's just ridiculous. Literally the only thing The Christmas Toy has in common with Toy Story is that they're about toys coming to life. It's otherwise a completely different story.
lmao i'm laughing so hard right. What a poorly researched video
The way his eyes look are also kinda scary.
0:52 i finally get to hear what he said before woody shut him up (in the film)
I disagree about Scar not being relatable, someone that is never given a chance just because he’s the younger brother. He is intelligent and enough of a leader to get all the hyenas behind him but is never recognized by his family, so in turn he doesn’t recognize them and views them as barriers to his success. Scar, while clearly a villain, is relatable.
you have serious problems and you need to see a therapist
6:45 sad steering wheel noises
I don't want to be "that guy," but... that's not how you spell "Prejudice." Great video, but that bugged me when it came up.
He said C.G.A too
If we ever get a Toy Story 5, it should be Andy finding and buying (likely a replica due to how rare Woody was in Toy Story 2) a replacement to Woody, which would nearly break Woody since after Toy Story 4, he finally moved on from Andy. But seeing that Andy didn't even think of him besides a collection urges Woody to try and force himself back into Andy's life to replace the replacement.
Said replacement, the replica, would be this "Black Friday" Woody. Bitter, lack of remorse, etc. And the movie would essentially be Woody facing his inner demons, he has greed, he (despite letting Andy go) still remembers him and his heartbroken to see he was replaced. And this evil Woody would essentially be a Woody that let these feelings consume him. (Maybe an Adult Andy gets very similar toys to the ones he had as a kid. Complete with a replica Buzz and Woody.)
I'd pay real money to see that movie now
Pixar has to see this comment
why would an adult andy buy toys for himself?
@@callumjohnston35 Maybe Andy at that point could have a family and wanted to buy toys for his kids?
Just let the franchise die peacefully
In some alternate universe...this is in the official movie and the Black Friday wheel was the normal woody that we see from the movie
00:05 This by far the darkest timeline
Fnf Toys madness friday mod my spot song
I can’t believe they were actually going to portray Woody like that and hearing him actually say those things...
4:18 That music just gave me a huge amount of nostalgia. It comes from the SEGA Genesis version of the first Toy Story video game. I still own my old SEGA Genesis, and Toy Story is the only game that I had for the system.
Wow the protagonist was going to be the villain, that's really interesting, it's like the emperor's new groove
There's truth to the saying "fail faster" (i.e. "fail early"): The sooner you identify a problem the better, because you haven't invested as much work into a vision that will ultimately fail, and the faster you can develop a superior version.
PS - randomly stumbled across this video today and the presentation/format strikes me as *immediately* familiar.... what other work have they done?
I dunno man. The ship's computer in wall-e seems to hide truth to stay in control. Sounds pretty villainous to me.
Wow... That isn't Woody... That's goddamn Handsome Jack speaking through Woody.
Counter point to TS1 not having a villain:
Sid.
And oh yeah, TS2 and TS3 had irredemable villains too.
There's a difference between a villain and an antagonist. All villains are antagonists, but not all antagonists are villains. Villain implies a moral judgement: The audience knows this character is in the wrong. An antagonist serves in opposition to the protagonist's goals, but they may still be shown to be doing so with good intentions, or out of ignorance.
Sometimes you can even play around by switching the roles, as in the 'heist' movie: Now the protagonists are the criminals who are out to commit some grand crime, and the antagonists are the law enforcement trying to stop them. Who are the heroes, who are the villains? It doesn't matter, because the audience doesn't need to think about the larger picture - they only need to see the world as the protagonist does, and all protagonists regard themselves as the hero.
Sid was a, more than likely troubled, child that didn't know any better. Latso and Pete were bitter and angry because they felt life had dealt them a bad hand.
@@Superluigi881 Gabby of the new movie is an Anti-Villain.
And the TS4 villain redeemed herself.
Toy Story taught us that you don't need an archetypical villain to drive the story forward -- that sometimes the internal stuggles of the characters make the story.
Do you think you could do a video about Wander Over Yonder? It was a really good show and ended prematurely. I'd love to see someone cover it because it doesn't get the attention it deserves
I kinda like evil woody....
Imagine the character arc he could go through!
I’m sorry but Waternoose is absolutely the villain of Monsters Inc.
Well, Waternoose just felt he had no other choice but to make that villainous act... Randall clearly had no qualms about it just to overtake his nemesis.
he wasn't a traditional villain
The initial Woody looks like a precursor to Lots-o'-Huggin' Bear.
I don’t really think the lava lady is the villain of Moana
Agreed!
Actually, Monsters Inc had 2 villians.
So glad they changed him. Slinky always was my favorite