I must share this story because it happened today. My father and I have shared crossed words over this election and it’s shown a side of him that’s left my heart in pieces. Over the weekend I penned an email and decided to send to my mom today who let me know they were in the car driving to vote early and to email it to him. She would guarantee he’d read it before going in to vote. He did and was silent. He called me an hour ago letting me know he opted not to vote for trump knowing how passionately it meant to my mom and I. I don’t know the lord or Jesus. Hearing James speak of WWJD made me cry while walking. I want to know a person or a community that centers around those beliefs first. I want ethics and morals to unite and center us. The past few months have been dark but tonight I got some light.
Faith. Hope. Love. The greatest of these is love. Your story made me cry. I hope you have a great day and this November will be tough for us all but I believe we’re coming up on a new beginning. Good work and stay woke!
“in every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. he is always in alliance with the Despot abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own. it is easier to acquire wealth and power by this combination than by deserving them: and to effect this they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man, into mystery & jargon unintelligible to all mankind & therefore the safer engine for their purposes.” - Thomas Jefferson
Thank you this interview. I have felt so alone for a very long time,( since the Reagan days and the Moral Majority rhetoric blasted through the Evangelical world) leaving me wondering where the God of love that drew me to Him was hiding. Rejected more than once for advocating justice, facing true history, caring about the environment, and loving the other, I had to exit stage left amid accusations and rage. How refreshing to hear believers speaking on the vary topics that captured my imagination in the 1960's through today. I am obviously old, but my yearning for the real Jesus to once again emerge among Christians is pure joy. I have searched for a local church gathering that promotes His love and acceptance but it has been tough. The melding of faith with the GOP has damaged the witness of the Gospel. To equate one with the other has been a disaster. The Project 2025 agenda is frightening. This has created a different Christ and a different Gospel than what the scriptures tell. God bless you both for this frank and honest discussion. Grateful.
Thank you. This was a great discussion. I grew up Roman Catholic, but I am gay; I gave up the practice. I am now Anglican (Episcopal) as they are more affirming, and my church practices love of God and love of neighbour. When the election occurred in 2020, and even at the start of the 2024 election, I hated Trump et al., I came to realize that this wasn't very Christian of me and that I wasn't practicing love of neighbour. I have toned down the rhetoric. I pray for patience and to see people as the image of God that they are. I have also done this on social media, I watch how I reply to posts and strive to always be respectful and kind. Don't get me wrong, I am not a saint (no one is perfect), but I do my best. God bless, guys. Take care. 🤗❤
I feel the same way, respectful and mindful even on social media. I’ll pray for the new leaders as God has commanded us in the Bible, for wisdom and compassion. Still don’t like them, but God is the ultimate Judge
To force a religion on anyone is not freedom in Christ. It is not Christian. Jesus says you shall know them by their fruits. The fruits are love,joy,peace,kindness,gentleness, self-control,faithfulness. Do we see these fruits in Trump or his followers? There is your answer.
"When a Religion is good, I conceive that it will support itself; and when it cannot support itself, and God does not take care to support, so that its Professors are oblig’d to call for the help of the Civil Power, ’tis a Sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one.” Benjamin Franklin
I really appreciate your work, Tim. ❤ I’m an agnostic woman originally from New Jersey. I lived there my whole life, and I moved to Las Vegas Nevada with my boyfriend last year. I am very liberal and very worried about the election this year. I can see the rise of Christian nationalism being a huge factor in the political landscape. I feel like the work you’re doing speaks to so many people and the fact that you do this and have this channel available - it gives me comfort and hope. ❤
So refreshing, grew up Presbyterian and still follow the faith but it’s been very difficult to find a church community to be apart of that has these honest conversations. Nicely done, giving hope for sure.
I love your program. Thank you for affirming those of us, who are believers, that have been scratching our heads wondering if anyone else is seeing that what is being done by these evangelical sects is a distortion of the Gospel that Jesus taught. Keep up the "good news"!!
Indeed, loving some people is very difficult. I found myself challenged by James's words. Some time ago I felt like I was supposed to pray for one particular politician. It's really hard to do. But it helps me to remember that even the people we like the least, they are broken and deeply unhappy individuals for whom Jesus gave his life just as he gave his life for us
Am so glad I was able to come from south Texas to be at this event I will be attending Austin pres next year and maybe James will be one of my classmates love from south Texas
This is a really good discussion. I don't have any particular religious beliefs but we share a lot of the same values. A person doesn't need to be religious to be a decent human being, one with compassion, empathy and good critical thinking skills.
James said “They have given up on Jesus, they have given up on church.” Exactly. Same here in Australia. Let us go to Him outside the camp, being His shame. I have spent my whole life outside the camp so to speak though o am loosely part of a church, I have worked and served Him on the margins of society. I am old. This has been brewing in the church a long time. New wine always breaks the wine skin. It is how Jesus renews His church. Be encouraged and follow Him.
'Christian Nationalism' is an oxymoron. It is the temptation that Christ rejected, in favor of an eternal opening to all people. "When I am lifted up, I will draw all people to myself." Christ offers choice, not the coercion of this age.
'a vote is not a marriage proposal' - brilliant! No political messiahs. Also interesting to hear about real conversations that confirm my suspicions about how CN and Trumpism may be triggers for many of those leaving highly literalist churches.
I don't think these churches are "literalists". If they were, they'd know all the Bible verses, especially in the teachings of Jesus, that directly contradict their so-called "conservative" worldview. (They're not really conservative because they are trying to destroy things not conserve them.)
I am an exvangelical. I was disgusted by the Christian responses and actions since 2009 watching their hate and demonizing of Obama and going forward. I left the church and changed political party in 2010 at 48 years old after that many years being a Christian and almost as many being a Republican. It’s nothing to do with God, but His followers. I am an agnostic in a sense. I believe in Jesus’ teachings and believe the thousands of near death stories I’ve heard and read about. I’ve experienced Gods miracles. I want to believe in an afterlife so I will see the loved ones I’ve lost. BUT without a doubt I do not believe the Bible is the inerrant word of God and is not to be taken literally. I believe the Book of Revelations is a warning to Christians which they are ignoring. It’s obvious the Bible has been tampered with by man. I continue to help and be of service even more so now that I’m not in a church 2-3 times a week. I am free to be of service to my family and friends and strangers on the street. Whoever I come across in need I will do what I can to make their lives a little better or more if they want the help. I have resources… you don’t have to be religious to do & be good and kind. The thought of going back to any organized church makes me ill. I consider all fundamentalistic and legalistic religions to be cults. My ex hypoChristian family and friends don’t want anything to do with me, consider me a democrat demon, nor do I enjoy being around them since they have all endorsed Trump. Way worse for me than when Obama was the president. So much for the family values. So much for love. If God IS Love, per God of the Bible, these hypoChristians have neither. I pray for every being on the earth and for the earth every day. I hope all religious people hear what these men are saying.
Thank you Tim bringing this interview with you and James to the world. James is indeed the Christian who lifts my spirit and enlightens my way in having come to know him in other videos too. You both brought such wisdom to share here. Saving our beloved Jesus in our lifetime is not an elective in learning, it is a mandatory class to graduate in our minds knowing who the real leader of light and love and truths is.
I heard a good explanation for when right wingers say we aren’t a democracy, we’re a republic. That is like saying you don’t have a dog, you have a cocker spaniel. Same thing, just more specific type.
I think there are basically two and "a half" types that say that. The first doesn't really know what they are saying and just repeating. If you ask them what they mean they will try to send you to Wikipedia or give you a meme or sheet of "facts". If you press them on what this would mean in practice, it really just breaks down to some form of more local government - however well thought out - and this is your dog/cocker spaniel example. The second group want to restrict who gets a vote according to some combination of restrictions - land/homeowners, having been a citizen for a number of years, or for there to be difference between naturalized citizen and a "born in the USA" citizen (which may even require multiple generations). The "half" group just want their guns and have some unclear and undeveloped (and very immature) notion of them and their posse magically running their local community with no thoughts of administration.
Christian nationalism has really made me struggle with Christianity. I was raised Christian and still am but the church as a whole and most of its people are unrecognizable.
My take on Jesus loving our enemies, because there is no hate in Jesus, and it also pollutes our souls. It doesn't mean letting our enemies get away with murder. When Jesus went to the temple, He was angry that a house of prayer, a house of God was used to make money. He stood up against the priests and corruption. I pray for my enemies, that they find light and wisdom. I don't hate them; I feel sorry for them.
@@callis8247 yes, but we can't let evil people ruin the peace for others. At the end justice will be served. If not in this earth in the next for sure.
How to challenge dominators without becoming just another kind of dominator...? How to be an includer without assuming superiority over the included...? Big questions...!
Thank You James/ Tim I will vote straight Blue this time to bec I am opting out fr Trump's Vance misogyny dictatorship sexism racism deceit hostilities hatred violence lies!
I was not raised Catholic but I went to a Catholic high school where I learned about the seven themes of Catholic Social Teaching. There is a beautiful respect for God's creation in CST that is very moving in my nontheist syncretic heart.
41:09 Yeah see I left the fundamentalist church because I got tired of people telling me that I had a moral “obligation” to do certain things. I treat others with respect in my own life. That will do. I’m not now going to allow someone else to tell me that I have a moral “obligation” to act in a certain way based off of things I have no control over, such as my skin color.
I am a pro-life Democrat. I am quite certain that there is no evidence against "embryonic personhood." That is the deciding factor for me. It is personally frustrating how little talk there is on the subject so I appreciate James Talarico for bringing it up and I agree with most everything else he said. I was shocked however to hear him say that he doesn't believe that most people subscribe to "embryonic personhood." I am quite sure that most pro-life people do, and most pro-choice people have not and don't want to address the question. Though neither pro-life nor pro-choice seem to have followed that through to it's conclusion.
Nice conversation, but I noticed James said something in passing that I found grating, misinformed, and frankly immoral. I'm not expecting anyone to come to agreement with me on this, but maybe someone will start asking some questions. At one point James said, and I think he attributed it to a professor, that Marx's problem is he didn't know about original sin; therefore he believed in utopia, and so we must oppose utopia. To be honest, I think this is probably meant merely as politician-speak for "Socialism BAD." Unfortunately, the argument implied in James' words is itself a very bad argument, so I will respond accordingly. First of all, Karl Marx explicitly and emphatically opposed utopianism. He was an enemy of the utopian socialists of his day, and the way his thought developed was always open-ended and subject to correction. Plus he made no attempt to propose a detailed picture of what he believed a communist society should look like. In short, he was not in any way, form, or fashion a utopian. From a Christian perspective, I would say that the statement James made about sin is actually implied in Marx's philosophy. The capitalist system is built on the premise that human greed can properly be made the fundamental driving force in society without that society destroying itself from within. Capitalism is fundamentally a utopian ideology that assumes we can escape the effects of the Fall and achieve prosperity for all ... through greed. Ask yourself in all seriousness: does that make any sense? The response of socialism is to say, in the words of the co-founder of the Catholic Worker, Peter Maurin: let us create a society in which it is easier for people to be good. That means that, to be extent possible, we should run our basic economic institutions on something other than greed. We should reward people for acting in ways that benefit all of us, not just the super-wealthy. This is not remotely a form of utopia; it simply says, we can do better than embracing sinful desire as the foundation of our economy. Human beings will still be sinners in a socialist society, but when power, ownership, and wealth are spread out to include everyone, the effects of sin won't have such a big chance of creating a total societal disaster. But that is what we have now. As Dorothy Day once famously said, "All our problems stem from our acceptance of this filthy rotten system." She was talking about the system of empire, capitalism, militarism, and white supremacy. Let's instead create a system of democracy, peace, cooperation, and equity. That will never be possible within capitalism.
Isn’t Christianity ultimately a utopian project? “Bring about the kingdom of God” is just another way of saying “make the world as good as you can make it”, or “approach some form of utopia”?
I believe that addressing the reduction of unwanted pregnancies through sex ed and affordable or free birth control, $$ accountability from men who impregnate women ...have been missed opportunities for the blue party. It's not rocket science to prevent pregnancy-EDUCATION and ACCESSIBILITY are a must!!
I really appreciate these discussions but as a black woman or a black person in America, I cannot in good faith stand on the same vibration of non-black people when it comes to humanizing people who want to create space for harm to be brought upon me and my loved ones. I holy love how in the last podcast interview where James said that it’s not on black people to close the gaps in the division- it is on them to close that gap onto their people who created this separation and hate. It’s easy for people to walk hard discussions slow when the oppression doesn’t directly affect you.
I really hate everything Trump stands for. BUT he is on my prayer list along with President Biden and VP Harris, my family and friends whenever I can. That’s what it means to me to love my neighbor. Remember that the only way to get out of some of this injustice is to VOTE for Kamala Harris. VOTE 💙💙💙💙
James’s comments on persuasion and “Deep Canvasing” have me suspecting he has read and listened to David McRaney’s work. Look up his You Are Not So Smart episode on Deep Canvasing!
That is why I am in favor of charter schools and vouchers . Our taxpayer money needs to go to making all children educationally sound and superior, not just the districts with high personal property taxes. The current system is failing. Insurance companies need to be. challenged.
i think if we increase in kindness and All Consciousness the need for politics as a way to suck up money and provide survival to a low caste in the system - this thing will fade into social construct love
God is our Creator, our Provider, our Supplier, our Healer, our Producer, not man. All glory belongs to God, not man. God favors the poor and those who look up to him...
The gospel is counter to the things of the world. The lust of the eyes. The lust of the flesh and the pride of life. But it is not counter cultural. It is multicultural. Do not become a judge of culture. Knowing good and evil. That's eating from the wrong tree.
We are in this world, but not of this world if we are in Christ Jesus. Love not the world and the things that are therein. Be a soldier for Christ, love God above all and thy neighbor as thyself. God is love.
Would not changing foreign policy enabled us to help truly imovrished countries around the world rather than just opening our borders with no protection to us here? They're not just good honest people crossing the borders but terrorist in criminals. There needs to be a more sane solution
sometimes I pray I know you hate the ways of Trump bearing false witness and causing division and his proud look even more than I but I pray for him because your son Jesus commands me to do so
They talk about living your best life now. That's the message of the prosperity gospel. But that's not Christianity. Yeshua who thought it not robbery to be equal with God. That would be His best life. But He took on the form of a servant and became obedient unto death. Even the death of the cross. Which is the worst thing that has ever happened to anyone since the creation. He lived His worst life so that we could have a good life in eternity. Not in this life as some teach. But in eternity. And He told us to have the same mind and to take up our cross and follow Him. We are to live our worst life so that others can have a better life. Let the strong bear the infirmity of the weak.
@@DeborahCarnahan-kc6ub It just means not denying yourself, not taking up your cross and not following Yeshua. If you are trying your best to live the best life that you can without considering how it affects others. That's what I mean. Like not being woke.
"Empire" as used by Christians means the wealth and power of secular governments as a force in opposition to God's kingdom. Secular Empire (think the Roman empire) uses power to crush and enslave the masses as opposed to God's kingdom, where the poor and marginalized are lifted up and helped to flourish.
James Talarico is one of my very favourite politicians and speakers, but this guy who is supposed to be interviewing is so bad I can’t bear to watch! - the point of this discussion should be to put the spotlight on James Talarico, and to ask questions and listen, and then ask further questions - perhaps even to try to lead the conversation and to clarify the responses, but never to go on and on about yourself, or proceed to follow up with your own long ended answer. Let the the man speak, I wanted to hear what Mr Talarico has to say! -“ Watch your tongue and keep your mouth shut”. Proverbs 21:23
Exodus 21:22-25 affirmed the personhood of the mother, not the fetus. The loss of the pregnancy required a fine; the death of the mother required a life for her life.
So yeah I agree that we shouldn’t become a theocracy. But both sides are heading in the same direction, away from God. The problem to me with this social justice obsession is conflating the Gospel of Jesus with this idea of justice. But whatever according to these guys there is no right or wrong, no objective truth, love it.
How is the Gospel of Jesus not about justice? Jesus's whole ministry was dedicated to uplifting the poor and marginalized, and bringing down the hypocritical religious leaders. Is this not social justice?
@@DachusblotBut the gospel of Jesus is not about justice. It’s about the opposite-mercy. We as sinners deserve justice (damnation), but Jesus says we are saved through him (mercy). That message gets lost when we conflate it with “social justice” which is not wrong inherently, but can be because it is 100% determined by humans and not God. I think the person is just saying that the two messages, while there can be overlap, should not be thought of as interchangeable.
@@username97112 Well, but you are using the word "justice" in two different ways, though. Conflating justice with damnation means using the word in the sense of "punishment for a crime." But when people talk about social justice, that's not what it means. It means lifting up the downtrodden, welcoming the marginalized, tearing down the powers of oppression. And those are all things Jesus did in his life and clearly expected his followers to do as well. He welcomed tax collectors and prostitutes into his fold. He healed the sick and fed the hungry. He criticized the religious leaders who placed oppressive burdens on other people. He said that those who call out his name but do not feed the hungry, clothe the naked, or visit the prisoners, never knew him and will be banished from God's sight. He told the rich young man that if he wanted to enter the kingdom of heaven, he had to sell everything he owned and give the money to the poor. I could go on and on. It's illogical to separate "social justice" from the definition of what it means to be a Christ-follower. The only reason why someone would want to do so is if they thought modern day social justice movements, which focus on showing love and acceptance to racial minorities, religious minorities, LGBTQ people, immigrants & abused women, or which seek for things like police reform, prison reform, environmental protection, more fair wealth distribution, mutual aid, etc, are somehow different from what Jesus was doing. But I don't see how they're different at all. I think it's fallacious to separate the work of social justice from the gospel message. They should go hand in hand.
@@Dachusblot That’s a fair point. Justice can be used in both ways. The original comment said “social justice” which again is determined by people, not God. Social justice encompasses many ideas about social issues that may or may not fall on the right side of God’s idea of justice. When you don’t make the distinction, one can convict you of violating man’s idea of injustice, when, in fact, you are aligned with God’s Word/the gospel of Jesus. This is why we mustn’t conflate the two. Again, there is overlap to be sure-but they are not wholly one and the same. Justice is not the whole of Christianity. It is one (important) part. When we make the two terms, justice and Christianity, equal and interchangeable, we preach a Christless, man made message. Christianity is about the love of and for Christ and his sacrifice made in love-completely.
James Talarico gives me so much hope for the future. He is exactly what this country needs right now.
I must share this story because it happened today. My father and I have shared crossed words over this election and it’s shown a side of him that’s left my heart in pieces. Over the weekend I penned an email and decided to send to my mom today who let me know they were in the car driving to vote early and to email it to him. She would guarantee he’d read it before going in to vote. He did and was silent. He called me an hour ago letting me know he opted not to vote for trump knowing how passionately it meant to my mom and I.
I don’t know the lord or Jesus. Hearing James speak of WWJD made me cry while walking. I want to know a person or a community that centers around those beliefs first. I want ethics and morals to unite and center us. The past few months have been dark but tonight I got some light.
Faith. Hope. Love. The greatest of these is love. Your story made me cry. I hope you have a great day and this November will be tough for us all but I believe we’re coming up on a new beginning. Good work and stay woke!
“in every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. he is always in alliance with the Despot abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own. it is easier to acquire wealth and power by this combination than by deserving them: and to effect this they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man, into mystery & jargon unintelligible to all mankind & therefore the safer engine for their purposes.” - Thomas Jefferson
@@CMA418Wow! This!!! 💯 % TRUE
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@@ivanm970 well, woke lost. Sanity won.
Love James!! Moral character is not negotiable. Christian & Republican voting ALL BLUE. 🇺🇸🔵 Country & Constitution over party.
Thank you!🇺🇸💙🗽
we need more in politics with this insight and moral fiber instead of the charlatans that want power fame and riches instead of serving the people
Mr Talarico is the real deal. As an European I find in him that there still are hope for the US.
This we need more people like this man in politics not just in the US but the UK and round the world. Thanks Tim
Thank you this interview. I have felt so alone for a very long time,( since the Reagan days and the Moral Majority rhetoric blasted through the Evangelical world) leaving me wondering where the God of love that drew me to Him was hiding. Rejected more than once for advocating justice, facing true history, caring about the environment, and loving the other, I had to exit stage left amid accusations and rage. How refreshing to hear believers speaking on the vary topics that captured my imagination in the 1960's through today. I am obviously old, but my yearning for the real Jesus to once again emerge among Christians is pure joy. I have searched for a local church gathering that promotes His love and acceptance but it has been tough. The melding of faith with the GOP has damaged the witness of the Gospel. To equate one with the other has been a disaster. The Project 2025 agenda is frightening. This has created a different Christ and a different Gospel than what the scriptures tell. God bless you both for this frank and honest discussion. Grateful.
Thank you. This was a great discussion. I grew up Roman Catholic, but I am gay; I gave up the practice. I am now Anglican (Episcopal) as they are more affirming, and my church practices love of God and love of neighbour.
When the election occurred in 2020, and even at the start of the 2024 election, I hated Trump et al., I came to realize that this wasn't very Christian of me and that I wasn't practicing love of neighbour. I have toned down the rhetoric. I pray for patience and to see people as the image of God that they are.
I have also done this on social media, I watch how I reply to posts and strive to always be respectful and kind. Don't get me wrong, I am not a saint (no one is perfect), but I do my best.
God bless, guys. Take care. 🤗❤
beautifully spoken!
@@youngzoomer Thanks
I'm proud of you, and I couldn't agree more. 💜🙏☺️
I'm working on and within myself for the same reasons and along the lines that you're speaking of.
Thank you for sharing.
I feel the same way, respectful and mindful even on social media. I’ll pray for the new leaders as God has commanded us in the Bible, for wisdom and compassion. Still don’t like them, but God is the ultimate Judge
What a wonderful conversation you two had!! Thank you for always making your content available to all!
To force a religion on anyone is not freedom in Christ. It is not Christian. Jesus says you shall know them by their fruits. The fruits are love,joy,peace,kindness,gentleness, self-control,faithfulness. Do we see these fruits in Trump or his followers? There is your answer.
"When a Religion is good, I conceive that it will support itself; and when it cannot support itself, and God does not take care to support, so that its Professors are oblig’d to call for the help of the Civil Power, ’tis a Sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one.”
Benjamin Franklin
The supporters I know are so angry. Actually, their self righteousness and sanctimonious selves are destroying their circles and families
I really appreciate your work, Tim. ❤ I’m an agnostic woman originally from New Jersey. I lived there my whole life, and I moved to Las Vegas Nevada with my boyfriend last year. I am very liberal and very worried about the election this year. I can see the rise of Christian nationalism being a huge factor in the political landscape. I feel like the work you’re doing speaks to so many people and the fact that you do this and have this channel available - it gives me comfort and hope. ❤
Boy I've learned so much from this conversation! Thank you both so much.
So refreshing, grew up Presbyterian and still follow the faith but it’s been very difficult to find a church community to be apart of that has these honest conversations. Nicely done, giving hope for sure.
@colinherr8011 Same here. Nothing but SBCs around me who spout this insanity and I have nowhere to go. In terms of church, I'm homeless.😢
@ we can do it gotta find somewhere or start our own. We need new growth in this country. Some old groups need to disband
I love your program. Thank you for affirming those of us, who are believers, that have been scratching our heads wondering if anyone else is seeing that what is being done by these evangelical sects is a distortion of the Gospel that Jesus taught. Keep up the "good news"!!
I deeply appreciate these conversations. They're so needed and important.
Indeed, loving some people is very difficult. I found myself challenged by James's words. Some time ago I felt like I was supposed to pray for one particular politician. It's really hard to do. But it helps me to remember that even the people we like the least, they are broken and deeply unhappy individuals for whom Jesus gave his life just as he gave his life for us
"Constantine was the first Christian Nationalist." YES.
Yea absolutely
This was so so good. Mahalo to both of you for your voices of reason & humanity.
Am so glad I was able to come from south Texas to be at this event I will be attending Austin pres next year and maybe James will be one of my classmates love from south Texas
Talarico reminds me of mayor/secretary Pete. Really enjoyed this conversation.
Yay! I've been waiting for this evening with Tim and James to be uploaded. ❤
Howdy, north Texan here! Thank you so much for this ❤
Great interview. Keep bringing him back on your podcast!
This is a really good discussion. I don't have any particular religious beliefs but we share a lot of the same values. A person doesn't need to be religious to be a decent human being, one with compassion, empathy and good critical thinking skills.
It’s called love for your fellow human. Humanism.
I appreciate you and love listening and learning. Thank you!
James said “They have given up on Jesus, they have given up on church.” Exactly. Same here in Australia. Let us go to Him outside the camp, being His shame. I have spent my whole life outside the camp so to speak though o am loosely part of a church, I have worked and served Him on the margins of society. I am old. This has been brewing in the church a long time. New wine always breaks the wine skin. It is how Jesus renews His church. Be encouraged and follow Him.
'Christian Nationalism' is an oxymoron. It is the temptation that Christ rejected, in favor of an eternal opening to all people.
"When I am lifted up, I will draw all people to myself."
Christ offers choice, not the coercion of this age.
Freewill choice. A perfect Gentleman who does not force himself off on anyone...
Dude YES! Two heroes in one conversation! Let’s get into it!
'a vote is not a marriage proposal' - brilliant! No political messiahs.
Also interesting to hear about real conversations that confirm my suspicions about how CN and Trumpism may be triggers for many of those leaving highly literalist churches.
I don't think these churches are "literalists". If they were, they'd know all the Bible verses, especially in the teachings of Jesus, that directly contradict their so-called "conservative" worldview. (They're not really conservative because they are trying to destroy things not conserve them.)
I am an exvangelical. I was disgusted by the Christian responses and actions since 2009 watching their hate and demonizing of Obama and going forward. I left the church and changed political party in 2010 at 48 years old after that many years being a Christian and almost as many being a Republican. It’s nothing to do with God, but His followers. I am an agnostic in a sense. I believe in Jesus’ teachings and believe the thousands of near death stories I’ve heard and read about. I’ve experienced Gods miracles. I want to believe in an afterlife so I will see the loved ones I’ve lost. BUT without a doubt I do not believe the Bible is the inerrant word of God and is not to be taken literally. I believe the Book of Revelations is a warning to Christians which they are ignoring. It’s obvious the Bible has been tampered with by man. I continue to help and be of service even more so now that I’m not in a church 2-3 times a week. I am free to be of service to my family and friends and strangers on the street. Whoever I come across in need I will do what I can to make their lives a little better or more if they want the help. I have resources… you don’t have to be religious to do & be good and kind.
The thought of going back to any organized church makes me ill. I consider all fundamentalistic and legalistic religions to be cults. My ex hypoChristian family and friends don’t want anything to do with me, consider me a democrat demon, nor do I enjoy being around them since they have all endorsed Trump. Way worse for me than when Obama was the president. So much for the family values. So much for love. If God IS Love, per God of the Bible, these hypoChristians have neither.
I pray for every being on the earth and for the earth every day.
I hope all religious people hear what these men are saying.
Thanks!
Thank you Tim bringing this interview with you and James to the world. James is indeed the Christian who lifts my spirit and enlightens my way in having come to know him in other videos too. You both brought such wisdom to share here. Saving our beloved Jesus in our lifetime is not an elective in learning, it is a mandatory class to graduate in our minds knowing who the real leader of light and love and truths is.
I heard a good explanation for when right wingers say we aren’t a democracy, we’re a republic. That is like saying you don’t have a dog, you have a cocker spaniel. Same thing, just more specific type.
I think there are basically two and "a half" types that say that. The first doesn't really know what they are saying and just repeating. If you ask them what they mean they will try to send you to Wikipedia or give you a meme or sheet of "facts". If you press them on what this would mean in practice, it really just breaks down to some form of more local government - however well thought out - and this is your dog/cocker spaniel example. The second group want to restrict who gets a vote according to some combination of restrictions - land/homeowners, having been a citizen for a number of years, or for there to be difference between naturalized citizen and a "born in the USA" citizen (which may even require multiple generations). The "half" group just want their guns and have some unclear and undeveloped (and very immature) notion of them and their posse magically running their local community with no thoughts of administration.
THANK YOU! I was so sad I couldn't afford to come down to Austin and was bummed to have missed this ❤
Christian nationalism has really made me struggle with Christianity. I was raised Christian and still am but the church as a whole and most of its people are unrecognizable.
The woman at the well was the first person that Jesus revealed that he was the Messiah.
Aso, she was the first to minister Christ to others. Come see a man that told me all I ever knew.....
My take on Jesus loving our enemies, because there is no hate in Jesus, and it also pollutes our souls. It doesn't mean letting our enemies get away with murder. When Jesus went to the temple, He was angry that a house of prayer, a house of God was used to make money. He stood up against the priests and corruption. I pray for my enemies, that they find light and wisdom. I don't hate them; I feel sorry for them.
Well said, I'm not Christian but I agree with you.
In the Bible also is make sure no man does evil for evil. Vengeance belongs to Christ, he will repay them...
@@callis8247 yes, but we can't let evil people ruin the peace for others. At the end justice will be served. If not in this earth in the next for sure.
@@duppyduppy01 in evil for evil, there is no peace. You destroy one another.
I look forward to meeting Rep. James Talarico. I want to thank him and ask how I can get more involved to help.
How to challenge dominators without becoming just another kind of dominator...? How to be an includer without assuming superiority over the included...? Big questions...!
Thank You James/ Tim I will vote straight Blue this time to bec I am opting out fr Trump's Vance misogyny dictatorship sexism racism deceit hostilities hatred violence lies!
I was not raised Catholic but I went to a Catholic high school where I learned about the seven themes of Catholic Social Teaching. There is a beautiful respect for God's creation in CST that is very moving in my nontheist syncretic heart.
Great podcast
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Yeah see I left the fundamentalist church because I got tired of people telling me that I had a moral “obligation” to do certain things.
I treat others with respect in my own life. That will do. I’m not now going to allow someone else to tell me that I have a moral “obligation” to act in a certain way based off of things I have no control over, such as my skin color.
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If Canada can offer free healthcare why cant the US. Never understood it....except to know it was bc of money. People vs money, sad
I am a pro-life Democrat. I am quite certain that there is no evidence against "embryonic personhood." That is the deciding factor for me. It is personally frustrating how little talk there is on the subject so I appreciate James Talarico for bringing it up and I agree with most everything else he said. I was shocked however to hear him say that he doesn't believe that most people subscribe to "embryonic personhood." I am quite sure that most pro-life people do, and most pro-choice people have not and don't want to address the question. Though neither pro-life nor pro-choice seem to have followed that through to it's conclusion.
Nice conversation, but I noticed James said something in passing that I found grating, misinformed, and frankly immoral. I'm not expecting anyone to come to agreement with me on this, but maybe someone will start asking some questions.
At one point James said, and I think he attributed it to a professor, that Marx's problem is he didn't know about original sin; therefore he believed in utopia, and so we must oppose utopia. To be honest, I think this is probably meant merely as politician-speak for "Socialism BAD." Unfortunately, the argument implied in James' words is itself a very bad argument, so I will respond accordingly.
First of all, Karl Marx explicitly and emphatically opposed utopianism. He was an enemy of the utopian socialists of his day, and the way his thought developed was always open-ended and subject to correction. Plus he made no attempt to propose a detailed picture of what he believed a communist society should look like. In short, he was not in any way, form, or fashion a utopian. From a Christian perspective, I would say that the statement James made about sin is actually implied in Marx's philosophy. The capitalist system is built on the premise that human greed can properly be made the fundamental driving force in society without that society destroying itself from within. Capitalism is fundamentally a utopian ideology that assumes we can escape the effects of the Fall and achieve prosperity for all ... through greed. Ask yourself in all seriousness: does that make any sense?
The response of socialism is to say, in the words of the co-founder of the Catholic Worker, Peter Maurin: let us create a society in which it is easier for people to be good. That means that, to be extent possible, we should run our basic economic institutions on something other than greed. We should reward people for acting in ways that benefit all of us, not just the super-wealthy. This is not remotely a form of utopia; it simply says, we can do better than embracing sinful desire as the foundation of our economy. Human beings will still be sinners in a socialist society, but when power, ownership, and wealth are spread out to include everyone, the effects of sin won't have such a big chance of creating a total societal disaster. But that is what we have now.
As Dorothy Day once famously said, "All our problems stem from our acceptance of this filthy rotten system." She was talking about the system of empire, capitalism, militarism, and white supremacy. Let's instead create a system of democracy, peace, cooperation, and equity. That will never be possible within capitalism.
Isn’t Christianity ultimately a utopian project? “Bring about the kingdom of God” is just another way of saying “make the world as good as you can make it”, or “approach some form of utopia”?
I believe that addressing the reduction of unwanted pregnancies through sex ed and affordable or free birth control, $$ accountability from men who impregnate women ...have been missed opportunities for the blue party. It's not rocket science to prevent pregnancy-EDUCATION and ACCESSIBILITY are a must!!
I work for a hospital, and we have patients whose church body pays their bill
I really appreciate these discussions but as a black woman or a black person in America, I cannot in good faith stand on the same vibration of non-black people when it comes to humanizing people who want to create space for harm to be brought upon me and my loved ones.
I holy love how in the last podcast interview where James said that it’s not on black people to close the gaps in the division- it is on them to close that gap onto their people who created this separation and hate.
It’s easy for people to walk hard discussions slow when the oppression doesn’t directly affect you.
I really hate everything Trump stands for. BUT he is on my prayer list along with President Biden and VP Harris, my family and friends whenever I can. That’s what it means to me to love my neighbor. Remember that the only way to get out of some of this injustice is to VOTE for Kamala Harris. VOTE 💙💙💙💙
James’s comments on persuasion and “Deep Canvasing” have me suspecting he has read and listened to David McRaney’s work.
Look up his You Are Not So Smart episode on Deep Canvasing!
That is why I am in favor of charter schools and vouchers . Our taxpayer money needs to go to making all children educationally sound and superior, not just the districts with high personal property taxes. The current system is failing. Insurance companies need to be.
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i think if we increase in kindness and All Consciousness the need for politics as a way to suck up money and provide survival to a low caste in the system - this thing will fade into social construct love
God is our Creator, our Provider, our Supplier, our Healer, our Producer, not man. All glory belongs to God, not man. God favors the poor and those who look up to him...
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So, what is your solution to health care?
Why defund public schools? Where are these children going to get educated?
Mother's will have to take up The Task of Educating, for some that will be good for many maybe not so good.
The gospel is counter to the things of the world. The lust of the eyes. The lust of the flesh and the pride of life. But it is not counter cultural. It is multicultural. Do not become a judge of culture. Knowing good and evil. That's eating from the wrong tree.
We are in this world, but not of this world if we are in Christ Jesus. Love not the world and the things that are therein. Be a soldier for Christ, love God above all and thy neighbor as thyself. God is love.
@@callis8247 My Father loves me and I abide in His love. I will not be moved.
@@michaeldunigan1067 do you love your Father above all here and yourself? Do you love your neighbor as yourself?
@@callis8247 I do.
Would not changing foreign policy enabled us to help truly imovrished countries around the world rather than just opening our borders with no protection to us here? They're not just good honest people crossing the borders but terrorist in criminals. There needs to be a more sane solution
sometimes I pray I know you hate the ways of Trump bearing false witness and causing division and his proud look even more than I but I pray for him because your son Jesus commands me to do so
Got tired of all the ad disruption. Stopped watching
PLEASE James you need to speak up more about Trump.
MTG knows about the Creeds?
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You should watch Jack Hibbs teaching on why Christians should vote. It streamed yesterday it is really good.
Jack Hibbs is trying to get people to support Trump. Hibbs is part of the CN.
They talk about living your best life now. That's the message of the prosperity gospel. But that's not Christianity. Yeshua who thought it not robbery to be equal with God. That would be His best life. But He took on the form of a servant and became obedient unto death. Even the death of the cross. Which is the worst thing that has ever happened to anyone since the creation. He lived His worst life so that we could have a good life in eternity. Not in this life as some teach. But in eternity. And He told us to have the same mind and to take up our cross and follow Him. We are to live our worst life so that others can have a better life. Let the strong bear the infirmity of the weak.
You must have a different idea of what "living your best life now" means.
@@DeborahCarnahan-kc6ub I think that it is pretty clear language.
@@michaeldunigan1067 not if you think "living your best life now" means getting rich
@@DeborahCarnahan-kc6ub It just means not denying yourself, not taking up your cross and not following Yeshua. If you are trying your best to live the best life that you can without considering how it affects others. That's what I mean. Like not being woke.
@@michaeldunigan1067 Or if you're a Christian, it should mean following what Jesus said and did.
Oh, Tim🤦🏻♂️ please exegete Genesis one for us. Give us your unbastardized version, please?
Tim, you need to repent for the Jersey comment and Taco Bell 🤣
What does Tim mean by 'the empire'?
"Empire" as used by Christians means the wealth and power of secular governments as a force in opposition to God's kingdom. Secular Empire (think the Roman empire) uses power to crush and enslave the masses as opposed to God's kingdom, where the poor and marginalized are lifted up and helped to flourish.
The U.S.A.
In liberation theology, there are comparisons of America to empires like Rome and Babylon.
James Talarico is one of my very favourite politicians and speakers, but this guy who is supposed to be interviewing is so bad I can’t bear to watch! - the point of this discussion should be to put the spotlight on James Talarico, and to ask questions and listen, and then ask further questions - perhaps even to try to lead the conversation and to clarify the responses, but never to go on and on about yourself, or proceed to follow up with your own long ended answer. Let the the man speak, I wanted to hear what Mr Talarico has to say! -“ Watch your tongue and keep your mouth shut”. Proverbs 21:23
Christianity is not even in the Bible so what is that?
The word Christianity isn’t, but “Christians” is. Acts 11:26 “…The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.”
The baby in the womb has separate DNA from the woman. Therefore we are to protect the life of the baby life begins at conception.
If you trust the Bible, check out Genisis 2:7, if you down consider the Bible to be truth, disregard my comment.
Exodus 21:22-25 affirmed the personhood of the mother, not the fetus. The loss of the pregnancy required a fine; the death of the mother required a life for her life.
So evolution or creation? If you answer creation, you should ask yourself why science here but not there
@@cdlahm7571 Who created evolution?
So yeah I agree that we shouldn’t become a theocracy. But both sides are heading in the same direction, away from God. The problem to me with this social justice obsession is conflating the Gospel of Jesus with this idea of justice. But whatever according to these guys there is no right or wrong, no objective truth, love it.
How is the Gospel of Jesus not about justice? Jesus's whole ministry was dedicated to uplifting the poor and marginalized, and bringing down the hypocritical religious leaders. Is this not social justice?
@@DachusblotBut the gospel of Jesus is not about justice. It’s about the opposite-mercy. We as sinners deserve justice (damnation), but Jesus says we are saved through him (mercy). That message gets lost when we conflate it with “social justice” which is not wrong inherently, but can be because it is 100% determined by humans and not God.
I think the person is just saying that the two messages, while there can be overlap, should not be thought of as interchangeable.
@@username97112 Well, but you are using the word "justice" in two different ways, though. Conflating justice with damnation means using the word in the sense of "punishment for a crime." But when people talk about social justice, that's not what it means. It means lifting up the downtrodden, welcoming the marginalized, tearing down the powers of oppression. And those are all things Jesus did in his life and clearly expected his followers to do as well. He welcomed tax collectors and prostitutes into his fold. He healed the sick and fed the hungry. He criticized the religious leaders who placed oppressive burdens on other people. He said that those who call out his name but do not feed the hungry, clothe the naked, or visit the prisoners, never knew him and will be banished from God's sight. He told the rich young man that if he wanted to enter the kingdom of heaven, he had to sell everything he owned and give the money to the poor. I could go on and on.
It's illogical to separate "social justice" from the definition of what it means to be a Christ-follower. The only reason why someone would want to do so is if they thought modern day social justice movements, which focus on showing love and acceptance to racial minorities, religious minorities, LGBTQ people, immigrants & abused women, or which seek for things like police reform, prison reform, environmental protection, more fair wealth distribution, mutual aid, etc, are somehow different from what Jesus was doing. But I don't see how they're different at all. I think it's fallacious to separate the work of social justice from the gospel message. They should go hand in hand.
@@Dachusblot That’s a fair point. Justice can be used in both ways.
The original comment said “social justice” which again is determined by people, not God. Social justice encompasses many ideas about social issues that may or may not fall on the right side of God’s idea of justice. When you don’t make the distinction, one can convict you of violating man’s idea of injustice, when, in fact, you are aligned with God’s Word/the gospel of Jesus.
This is why we mustn’t conflate the two. Again, there is overlap to be sure-but they are not wholly one and the same.
Justice is not the whole of Christianity. It is one (important) part. When we make the two terms, justice and Christianity, equal and interchangeable, we preach a Christless, man made message. Christianity is about the love of and for Christ and his sacrifice made in love-completely.
What a wonderful conversation you two had!! Thank you for always making your content available to all!
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