From Mormon Missionary to Catholic w/ Isaac Hess
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- Опубліковано 25 тра 2024
- Former LDS missionary Isaac Hess joins the show to talk about his journey to Catholicism. From doubt about Joseph Smith, to questions about the history of the LDS Church, to Orthodoxy, and finally to Catholicism. This quest for Truth will inspire and inform.
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Contact Isaac: ldstocatholic@gmail.com
00:00 Overview
06:28 Growing Up LDS
11:41 Serving a Mission
17:25 Knowing Mormonism is True
21:41 Starting Mission
29:50 Aggressive Encounters
32:26 Anti-Mormon Talking Points
36:25 God Was Once a Man
39:55 Finding Contradictions50:11 Illness on Mission
59:50 Rough Stone Rolling
1:08:43 Dealing w/ Doubts
1:21:00 Finding Healing
1:31:10 Other Faiths
1:35:04 Eastern Orthodoxy
1:39:13 Sarah Emily Hess
1:48:54 Liturgy and The Temple
2:01:00 Meeting an Elder
2:10:00 Challenged by Siblings
2:18:00 Studying the Early Church
2:24:00 Mormon Anachronisms
2:36:36 Problems w/ Orthodoxy
2:47:15 Encountering Catholicism
2:57:23 Testing Catholicism3:05:15 Becoming Catholic
3:10:00 Converting Your Spouse
3:15:11 What Can Catholics Learn from LDS?
3:13:41 Evangelizing Mormons - Розваги
For anyone who sees this, could you pray for Bridget from Ireland. She's my mother. She's a beautiful God loving woman who has been battling cancer for the past few years.
*** She got the all clear the other day. She will be going for follow up checks every 6 months for the next while. Thank you all so much. God is good. God bless you all ♥️
Hail Mary full of grace, blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb JESUS. Holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners now and at the hour of death Amen
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Yes. Amen.
Sure thing. Try praying for St. Charbel's intercession as well
Amen 🙏🙏🙏
One thing I wish I had emphasized more in this interview is how much becoming Catholic has strengthened and deepened my relationship with Christ. It is almost impossible to express how much the Catholic faith has deepened and strengthened my love, understanding, and experience of the Lord. When I was LDS I loved Christ as I understood Him, of course - but now I have Christ in the sacraments; Christ in the Saints; Christ in the liturgy; Christ in his body, the church.
Jesus promises, "Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied." Christ has satisfied all my spiritual and intellectual yearnings with "the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints." There is an infinite supply of grace and wisdom available to me, the complete fulfillment of what was lacking when I was LDS.
Of course, the Catholic Church has many problems. Throughout its history it has lurched from crisis to crisis. But the mark of Christ is here, especially in his glorious Saints and martyrs who have constantly been the salt and leaven of the whole world.
I don't claim to be any special authority, or to have any particularly strong faith. I don't pretend to be especially saintly or righteous. But I try to live by the words of St. Benedict, who urged his monks in his famous Rule: "prefer nothing to the love of Christ (nihil amori Christi præponere)."
I have found him in the Catholic faith. At every Mass I adore and receive him. The scriptures are unfolded to my understanding in ways I never thought possible. My intellect is free to wander in the pastures of truth.
As I say in the interview, if you're interested in connecting with me, see the email in the description. I'll do my best to respond.
Excellent. I am looking forward to this episode my friend.
As a Latter-day Saint, anything that brings you closer to Christ is good. I may think Catholics are mistaken with some stuff, but no one is perfect, we’re all going through one type of preparatory gospel or another, if this is the path of stepping stones that is helping you progress the most, that’s great. Eventually, we’ll all be united again at the 2nd coming of Christ, and I think there will be surprises in store for all of us when the veil is lifted from our eyes.
Welcome Home! ❤
I'm watching the interview now and want to reassure you that deepened love, faith and understanding is coming across beautifully. Thank you for being vulnerable enough here to talk about your pre-conversion fears. I'm meeting with the father at my local in a few days to discuss joining RCIA, and although I'm positive, in my spirit, it is exactly what I'm meant to do, my mind has started buzzing. My parents are atheists and my best friend is a born- again so I've actually kept it quiet. They'll be falling out of their chairs, lol. God bless you and your family 😊
@@amyc.peters1064 Welcome to sweet home Rome. I will keep you in my prayers and my daily rosary meditations
Ex-Mormon missionary here who is currently in the RCIA. God is SO Good!!
What were some of the more difficult objections to LDS that you think helped you reconsider your beliefs?
When I was on my mission I came across several passages in the BOM that were copied directly from the new testament, this bothered me because we were always taught the new testament had been corrupted so how did the BOM read the same if it had been translated purely and seperately?
I asked one of the heads of the department of CES (church educational services) who happened to live in my mission area. His response was "well joseph came across that in the golden plates and decided to just copy over from the new testament to save time"
Also the Joseph smith papers were released while I was on my mission (4 first visions that are completely contradictory) and the King Follet Discourse (completely contradictory to the doctrine of Jesus)@@alisterrebelo9013
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. Don't leave God's Kingdom for the first apostate Church
God bless you because you mean well. I find it sad that the BOM has zero ancient manuscripts confirming it, not a single authentic second hand copy of it or outside source confirming it... but constantly attacks the bible which has 40,000+ ancient manuscripts confirming its authenticity. Including the dead sea scrolls dated back to 400BC found in the 1940s in Israel.
Which all prove that the catholic church didnt change a single verse.
I mean we could end this debate right now, let's excavate the hill cummorah which joesph marked in upstate new york and it is a church history site. Lets find the hundreds of thousands of dead lamanites and nephites, the swords and the chariots, the breast plates. Lets dig it up!!
The book of mormon fails every test and has been changed thousands of times it used to be highly trinitarian and still has some trinitarian verses remaining. You should watch "Test of a prophet: The bible vs joseph smith"
My grandfather was a mormon historian who died in nauvoo, i have an original 1832 book of mormon and can show you how much its changed over the years. It used to be highly trinitarian
I'll pray for you, may God lead you home to the church he established and prophesied "And the gates of hell shall not prevail against it" @@dylanwilliams2202
jus one example of an Original 1830 text compared to modern book of mormon
1830: 1 nephi 3 (p.26) "Behold the Lamb of God, yea even the ETERNAL FATHER!"
Changed to --> 1 nephi 11:21 "Behold the lamb of God, yea even the SON of the ETERNAL father."
Modern verses that still havent changed:
Ether 3: 14 "I am Jesus Christ, I am the Father AND the Son. In me shall all mankind have life."
Mosiah 16:15 "Teach them that Redemption cometh thorugh Christ the lord, who is the very ETERNAL FATHER. Amen." @@dylanwilliams2202
Thank you for this. I am a protestant wife and I am in the process of converting. I am bringing my 7 children, oldest being 10, into the faith myself while my husband is still on the fence, though very supportive of me. I am teaching them the Baltimore Catechism along with praying and going to Mass, but there is still so much to learn as a family. Please pray for my children and especially for my husbands desire to learn more about the faith and heart's conversion. I am in such need of prayers.Thank you!🙏
God bless this family. Jesus is longing for them to come join the Church Jesus founded and learn the fullness of Truth through the Church One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church. My prayers to this family. Bless them, unite them and give them courage. As Jesus said a hundred times in the Scriptures "Be not afraid"❤.
My husband just converted from Protestantism to Catholicism last month. I came back to the True Faith in September this year, started praying Novenas to the Sacred Heart of Mary (Catholic Crusade is a great resource) and the daily Rosary for his conversion, without ever asking him to do it. By the end of October he came to Catholicism on his own, I am immensely grateful for Mary's intercession, every day. We now pray the Rosary every day together, asking for the conversion of all souls. I have faith She can intercede for your husband's conversion as well!
I will pray for all of you. I took 18 years from mild interest to my starting RCIA.
Praying for you on your journey Lisa!
Luke 15:7
Just so, I tell you, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance.
The saints in heaven will be having an absolute party at EIGHT souls much less one, joining Christ's true Church! I'll be praying for your husband. Could you pray for my wife as she has yet to join me in the Catholic Church too?
My wife let me know more than once that if I convert then she will leave me. I’m still praying on the direction God wants me to go. I still don’t know/understand a lot of things about Catholicism and still haven’t accepted a lot of things but like I said, I’m still praying about it. I do know that whatever happens, I have to go where God leads. Pray for me.
Pray pray pray. God will never lead you astray. Avon’s yourself to him in prayer and let him know everything you think and feel. …. Something that might also help is reading the Catechism of the Catholic Church that tells a lot of what we believe and why! God bless you. You’re in my prayers!
Sorry that was supposed to say abandon yourself to him.
@@marisafuzi6252 ,...The manmade cult of catholicism has nothing whatsoever to do with the God, nor the christianity of the Bible. Repent!
@@VoxClamantisinDeserto-zw2mt LOL, Yes I'm sure you have the truth! The man-made cults of Luther and his lot coming to save us! You sure are entertaining.
Friend, I will pray for you. God asks us to do hard things in order to follow him. Remember the Gospel of Matthew, "And a scribe came up and said to him, 'Teacher, I will follow you wherever you go.' And Jesus said to him, 'Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay his head.' Another of the disciples said to him, 'Lord, let me first go and bury my father.' And Jesus said to him, 'Follow me, and leave the dead to bury their own dead.'
You can be the place Jesus can rest in and lay his head. You can leave those who choose death, because God has called you to eternal life.
God bless you friend.
Conversion from Lutheran to Catholic: almost there after a 2+ year wait/journey, and every moment has been sooo worth it! Hallelujah!!!
I’m looking to convert also. For years I’ve been split between the Lutheran church, in which was confirmed and my Catholic family and friends. I’ve always considered myself a “Catherine”. But, I now want to reconfirm my faith as Catholic.
@@clurkroberts2650 Lol, I've never seen Catherine used that way. Cute! He he. I'll call any Catholic-sympathizing Lutheran that from now on...
My late dad was a convert from Lutheranism and married my mom, who was a convert from Pentecostalism.
My old boss was mormon and she was the most kind, empathetic, understanding boss ive ever had. One thing you gotta give to the mormons, most of them are truly kind people.
It’s not the people to be sure! But the corporation of “ the church” is straight up evil.
True.
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I know three devout Mormon men… they are three of the best men I know.
I've also met mean cruel and unjust Mormons. I've witnessed institutional injustice from members of their church who endorsed the obstruction of justice......In good measure, there is good and bad in every club, clan or church for we are all "made of feet of clay".
In the Catholic Church, which has a rich limitless bottomless Treasury from the merits of its Founder Christ Himself, the nice people are not just nice in the cosmetic sense, for they are not meant to stay just at that level. They are, and called to be, as every baptised person is called, to be real saints! "That I may decrease, so my Lord may increase."
Saints who follow their Lord in hidden daily loving sacrifice, or heroic martyrdom. Plus the practice of all the cardinal virtues - prudence, temperance, justice and fortitude. That's why they shine even more in adversity, outiside the comfort zone of pleasantry...Because they are connected to the Vine that our Lord is. Every person is compelled by the surpassing charity of Christ, in contrast to selfish gain or vanities....Happy Christmas 🎄
As a fervent Catholic I can still appreciate the dedication, kindness and humility of the Mormon missionaries that I have encountered.
Seems every Mormon I've ever encountered in my life has been a decent person. Clean-cut and no swear words, and always leaves me thinking "I ought to conduct myself more like that person."
We appreciate you, too ❤
The LDS members are wonderful people. Full of caring, and love of family. No one can take away or criticize that beautiful aspect of the Mormon congregation.
Until you really start to address Tenants of The True Faith.. then they have malfunctions. Can go manifest in many ways. The jw go wild after one stray comment of how do you know...
Iii@@DanDeueligual So worth a copy!
I grew up in New Mexico. Never once did I question my family’s income. It was never a discussion. We ate homemade meals consisting of meat, potatoes, and vegetables - (which were not an optional choice). No vegetables = no dessert!!! We had chores EVERYDAY, and we did them WITHOUT complaining, because it was expected of us. We never touched anything that did not belong to us. We never opened a refrigerator at anyone's house unless asked to do so. We were taught to respect other peoples property. And we were rewarded for acting properly.
We grew up during a time when we mowed lawns, pulled weeds, shoveled snow, babysat, helped with all chores. We by no means were given everything we wanted. We went outside a lot to play, ran with friends, played hide and seek, or went bike riding. We rarely just sat inside.
Bottled water was unheard of. If we had a soda, it was a treat. We had to tell our parents where we were going, who we were going with, and be home before dark (if street lights were on meant you were in the yard)..
You LEARNED from your parents instead of disrespecting them and treating them as if they knew absolutely nothing. What they said was LAW and you did not question it and you had better know it! We watched what we said around our elders and neighbors because we knew if we DISRESPECTED any grown-up, we would get a real good whooping! It wasn't called abuse, it was called discipline!
We held the doors for others and carried the groceries into the house. We gave up our seat for an older person without being asked.
You didn't hear swear words on the radio in songs or on TV.
“Please and Thank you", were part of our daily vocabulary!
The world we live in now is just so full of people who hate and disrespect others.
Friends, consider re-posting if you're thankful for your childhood. I will never forget where I came from and only wish children and people nowadays had half the chance at the fun and respect for real life we grew up with! And we were never bored!
Copied and pasted (change where YOU grew up).9
This is the PWA that I love. A needed respite from the church drama. I want to hear why people are ENTERING the church.
Here here
Agreed!
I can not emphasize enough how much I agree with you here!
Agreed! Also interview regular Catholics doing the solid, every day holy work in the church. There are so many people living out the two Great Commandments. It won’t get as many clicks but it’s what will help people the most on their journey to heaven 😉☺️ (by reassuring them that the good works are being done each and every day in our church even if it isn’t flashy!) Some examples: Knights of Columbus, St. Vincent De Paul, Catholic Relief Services, Catholic Community Services, or even just regular lay men and women who are going to church services and trying to love their neighbor as themselves or inviting their priest over for dinner 🤗
Love to anyone who comes to the origins. I'm an Orthodox, but I'm happy when someone comes back to the Catholic Church as well. Lord Jesus Christ have mercy on us! 🥰❤️✝️
Likewise. I’m Catholic, but someone coming home to orthodoxy from Protestantism or something like Mormonism is a wonderful thing.
I'm a practicing anglo-catholic and am also happy whenever anyone makes it back to Orthodoxy or Catholicism. I honestly cannot choose, or have not chosen yet. Otherwise, I'd convert to one or the other myself. If and when there is some rapprochement between Orthodoxy and Catholicism, I think a huge number of the remaining conservative anglicans out there will also come home.
Would to God this would happen in our lifetimes! What a glorious day that would be, when the schism between so many churches is finally mended and we can finally be one as Jesus commanded!
I converted to Catholicism from Mormonism in 2006. My wife, a convert from Catholicism to Mormonism, has remained Mormon. We have been able to respect each other’s beliefs. I am happy as a Catholic even while dealing with a confusing Pope.
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you like your woke pope?
@@benzun9600I love Pope Francis, even with his confusing teachings.
We can learn a lot from LDS people as they truly seem very kind hearted and family oriented. May God be merciful to all of them and lead to the path of the Truth. 🙏🏻
It's coerced. I've met plenty of Catholics who are this way willingly.
My husband and I converted from Mormonism to Orthodox Christianity. We are so glad we left the Mormon Church together before we had any children and found Orthodoxy. We love and respect Traditional Catholics so much as well.
Saint Joseph pray for him that he continues to learn about and teach True Christian doctrines to his family and is able to bring his family with him on this journey.
My LDS friends brought me to Jesus. I am so thankful for my relationships with them and for their faith in God. The Holy Spirit opened my eyes and I am forever grateful to be Catholic again!!
I went to mass today and it healed my broken heart. Not sad anymore, no deep ache in my chest that won't go away. Im shook.
I became an ex-mormon in 2012 and was atheist/agnostic for almost the last decade. But now I've been to mass multiple times and have joined RCIA. Thank you @isaachess19 for sharing your journey. It feels incredible to come back to the faith. And thank you Pints with Aquinas! Your show has been invaluable to me over the last year.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. We know and teach the Bible and gospel better than any other denomination.
@@dylanwilliams2202 Hey brother, appreciate the passion! Just know that we all on our own (hopefully spiritual) journey. Keep reading, learning, searching, and meditating on your beliefs.
@@swedishmastah I have read and studied about my Church. It why I said The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth and that we know and teach the Bible and gospel better than any other denomination.
All of our truth claims stand when put to the test.
@@dylanwilliams2202 no they don't, because you're a false church with a false belief system
@@dylanwilliams2202 Your truths change as the wind blows. You obviously haven't tested your "truths." How about the "truth" of the Book of Abraham. You are brainwashed.
Lord Jesus please continue to bless Issac and his wife's marriage.
I am praying for my husband’s conversion who grew up Mormon.
But I know Christ is working through me to help my family and with that
I kindly request all brothers and sisters who see this to pray for my father. My father lives in Turkey and his name is Hasan. He does not know Jesus yet and is struggling with many health issues. He has both psychological issues (paranoid personality disorder) and physical problems. A few months ago, we found out he has nodules in his lungs. Additionally, he has the beginning stages of COPD. Please include my father in your prayers for him to find faith and healing. Loves from Turkey. May the peace of God be upon you ❤
Your father and you are in my prayers
Matt, keep making content like this please. Keep spreading the good news and the beauty of Catholicism. Everybody loves a conversion story! This is your bread and butter.
Was a Mormon long ago and recently talked to some missionaries and noticed the “shift” away from claiming they would become Gods someday. Nailing down Mormons is like chasing a moving target.
Yes I noticed like...no blacks or being polygamist
It's still pretty darn common in General Conference. "Divine potential" is simply still about attaining godhood.
@@brianfitzsimmons9789 Isaiah 43:10. No Gods before or after. The idea a Mormon can become god is heresy.
Catholics like to try and nail down young men. odd
@@johns1834the idea that every Jew that died in the Holocaust will go to hell for not accepting Jesus is disgusting, and it’s what you believe.
As a young Catholic, I had always welcomed Mormon missionaries (or other missionaries) to see other views of faith. Nonetheless, reading the Book of Mormon's emphasis on Joseph Smith's experience strengthened me more in my Catholic faith.
I have been a Catholic for 50 years, but I think that we should learn passion and discipline in faith in life from the Mormon Brothers or Jehovah's Witnesses. We really need this, especially here in Europe. Greetings from Poland
It is a truth and a fact that you totally blind, lost, deceived, Godless catholics are indeed brothers with the Godless mormons, and the Godless jehovah's witnesses. You are all brothers and sisters of the lake of fire. Repent!
@@VoxClamantisinDeserto-zw2mtyou seem *very* secure in your own faith given you’ve left over 15 comments with no real substance other than anti-Catholic bigotry. That’s not an effective way to “evangelize.” I’ll pray a rosary for you. 📿
@@pint_pipe_cross ,...Those that see no substance in my comments don't because they are completely spiritually dead and blind. They have no understanding of, nor concern for truth. They are not of the truth.
Calling the truth of Gods word anti-catholic bigotry only exposes your totally Biblically illiterate, and spiritually dead state.
Speaking the truth of Gods word is absolutely the way to evangelize. Those like you who are not of the truth will reject and ignore the truth of Gods word, and those who belong to God that have ears to hear will hear it. You happen to be one that was created as a vessel of wrath, made to be destroyed as all catholics and mormons are.
Please read carefully the book of Jude as it is speaking directly to the catholics and the mormons. Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!
@@VoxClamantisinDeserto-zw2mt I see you are *definitely* secure in your faith since you also think my response (and prayers offered for you) was wrathful, though your comments seemingly are not. I’ll pray a second rosary for you. God Bless. ❤️
@@pint_pipe_cross,....Your fake manmade rosery is an abomination, it is absolute manmade garbage. It only exposes how absolutely lost and ungodly you are. Repent, how long will you remain completely steeped in darkness and deception?
Also, did you read the book of Jude?
I grew up in a heavily Mormon community although my family was not. Most of my friends were and I can say, they really do know how to model community in a way that I haven’t seen Catholics do so in my own life. I truly wish we would work more towards the same level of care and family development most Mormons engage in. And I really admire that all young men are encouraged to do mission work after high school. Men need this kind of valuable coming of age work to step into manhood.
Mormonism is a 100% false manmade fraud. Those going on a mission are only going on a mission for satan, to snare the lost into their 100% fake Godless cult. That is not manhood.
This is the only thing I agree with, mission work, sort of. Mission work for which faith?
Getting baptized next Easter! It does feel like we’ve lost something but at the same time it’s still there
Acts 22:16 ESV - And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name.’
Get baptized and wash away your sins rather than possibly die in your sins before Easter or should our Lord return before Easter.
@@reeb9016More specifically this verse was answering the ancient tendency of people to put off baptism until later in life.
Our faithful sibling in Christ here is not putting off the baptism but seeking it after a period of preparation (which would be the same for the ancient first Christians)
@undolf4097 What are you talking about? It says, "Why wait?" You're going to have to give me some New Testement scripture to explain what you mean.
@@undolf4097 The doctrine of Baptism of Desire will avail you should something unfortunate befall you. I would not worry too much unless you were doing some high risk job like an electrician or mine worker. God bless you and welcome home!
Did Jesus sprinkle?
Isaac, it is amazing how much you love your wife. In words, actions, deeds. I am so proud of you both for navigating your faith in such a respectful way. Thank you for showing that Catholics should love in this way
I’m a Catholics and I grew up in a town with many LDS people and went to school with and befriended many of them. They have great family and community values, but there are certainly things that were troublesome for me coming from a catholic view and culture. Some are still my friends and I love them very much.
I’m not a Catholic but I really appreciate and enjoy this podcast 🙏🏼
Can't wait to see this one. Trying to go slow but contemplating this journey myself and went to my second mass today.
I’ll be praying for you my brother. Our Lord is truly present with us, just as he promised, in the blessed Eucharist. I am a former LDS and have found Jesus in his holy Catholic Church.
I’m in the process of converting from being LDS🙏🏽 God has blessed me with his true presence. Keep going you will not regret the warmth awaiting ❤️🤌🏽
Would highly recommend “How the Earliest Christians Worshipped” here on youtube. I feel the apostolic succession argument is easily one of the strongest for Catholicism and seems to disprove LDS teachings on the Great Apostasy, as Paul mentions priests and bishops in the epistles, which is the only real argument as to why mainstream Christianity is false. My family is LDS and I grew up with a lot of those perspectives, and I really have found that Catholicism is the one true Church. It is what the LDS church claims to be, but with true sacraments, thousands of years of theological history, and a rich culture. I hope the best for you, keep looking and I think you will come to the same conclusion. God bless you
@@CatholicKitThanks, very cool, I will check it out. TBH - in my mind at this point I think my burning question is regarding the legitimacy of Catholicism Versus Orthodox Christianity.
Most people you find that have truly been down this road have already deconstructed Mainstream Mormonism. Many like me have passed though many belief structures ranging from agnosticism to atheism to paganism and nihilism, in my case I found some comfort and relief in shamanism, which again to be honest, opened me up to prayers of intercession involving the saints and Mother Mary.
One thing I think I've got out of this journey is that we are here learning the lessons we need and in some cases different beliefs may indeed be like stepping stones for those that are desiring to know progress towards God.
The problem is we do not have the omniscient view that God hadls and it can be difficult to take a step back and have the faith need and trust that God is there and things will turn out OK, not just for ourselves but even more regarding our children and family.
I will check out your recommendation. Right now it's like drinking from the firehose. 😅
Keeping you in my prayers. It is important to make an appointment to speak with the priest or someone that can answer your questions. It is so refreshing to know that seeking the truth is welcomed.. Not shunned.
“And I felt homeless again.” Man that resonates. Thank you so much for sharing your story. As a person raised in a very fundamental pentecostal church, I find great comfort in knowing other people have faced the same feelings and experiences on this often difficult and winding journey to our spiritual home.
Same! Grew up Pentecostal and realized how messed up their doctrine is. Now an orthodox Christian praise God 🙏🏻
I'm super excited for this! Come on Mormons, I'm going through RCIA right now and will most likely be cut out of the will for any inheritance. Then you can join the one true church as well and turn away from Joseph Smith!
Are you by chance in Utah County? I'm looking for others that get it. I just went to mass today at St Frances Assisi in Orem.
@@bahr-pq4uoI never saw a bullhead. It seems like a J conspiracy but I don’t think it is. Freemason for sure
I don’t understand the question.
No thanks
@@KnuttyEntertainment i agree, i have no idea what he's talking about.
Crazy. I Left the LDS church to revert for Catholicism after years of doubts. Four kids (fifth on the way) and my wife didn’t join me to come into the church. All kids baptized though, coming up on a year in the church. Glory to God and pray for Mormons. They are usually great people, though misled.
You have only gone from one Godless abomination right into another one. You are completely blind, lost, and deceived. Repent!
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. We know and teach the Bible and gospel better than any other denomination.
The Catholic Church is nothing but the first apostate Church and none of it's unique teachings stand under scrutiny.
@@dylanwilliams2202 creep. Mormons are exactly like you! I was Mormon and got it! I’m so glad I awaken from the LDS toxic culture.
@@dylanwilliams2202oh you poor soul. I’ll pray for you!
@@sheylamercado9801 Who you going to pray to? Mary? Peter?
Thank you Isaac- i pray for you and your family. Trust in Jesus. He is really in total control. 🇨🇦🙏🙏💕🇨🇦
Love hearing LDS convert stories. Although I'm Catholic, I can see the draw to LDS Church based on their theology. I have cousins who grew up in Utah in LDS church due to divorce/re-marriage situation. They also seem to be very respectful of Catholics compared to some protestant groups and evangelical Christians in general.
This is true of both Roman Catholicism, and Eastern Orthodoxy: they're way better as an actual Parish Community, in person, than they are on the Internet.
I agree I think people get captured by internet culture to the detriment of their spiritual life that can be much more comfortable by engaging in your parish community where everyone else is also seeking heaven
“I don’t want to believe in something that i can’t examine” SO good & well said.
I loved your story Isaac! I live near Salt lake and we’ve been here about 47 years and were Catholic. I wondered how your family reacted to your conversion? I’ve heard that some families and other Mormon friends snub some that have converted. I do like the emphasis on families and the “helping others” that the Mormons have. I wish that more parishes had this. I’ve had some Mormon friends who’ve been more “Catholic” in their actions than Catholics. I’m glad that you’ve converted and I’ll be praying for you too, as there’s so much going on in the Church now. I also hope that eventually your wife ( like Kimberly Hahn) will also convert .
My family was overall quite supportive, perhaps a little baffled. Many of my siblings had left the LDS church before me, so it kind of "softened the blow" when I did.
@@isaachess19 I am currently conversing with some LDS boys who visit me every few weeks. What would you say is the best approach to try and show them the errors of the LDS Church? One of them is studious like you are/were, but they barricade themselves behind the 'burning of the bosom' even though I've told them of my own such experience which in my opinion is much more compelling than their experiences.
This was awesome. Thanks Matt. You are creating a space for countless souls to be nourished
Try doing it this year. Pray for me! In RCIA, baptized LDS. I’m really wriggling with the pope.
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Catholic for 78 yrs, wriggling w/pope but I TRUST IN JESUS & He will take care of any doubts I have about any man-made "stuff" Eucharist is my salvivic food. THE REAL SAVIOUR
God bless him and his family.
You're doing an amazing job being compassionate and listening and encouraging these conversion stories. I have a lot of unsaved people in my life and you offer me hope and an example.
@hearthrose8285 God bless you for caring for those around you, and help you and those who you care for and all of us.
Wow! My heart sings and praise the Lord for Brother Isaac to come into the Catholic Family of Christ! May God bless you and your family. May the Holy Spirit guide your wife to join you.
About 3 hours in now, this story is awesome. I can’t wait to finish RCIA
Welcome brother to the true Church of Jesus Christ hallelujah Amen 🙏 Love to hear your beautiful testimony God is Good ♥️
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth.
@@dylanwilliams2202 LoL 😂👈
@@dylanwilliams2202 You mean the Church that keeps changing its teachings. Polygamy, Blacks, Adam as God, and now backing away from being a God of your own planet etc.
@@twoody9760 Oh hey, it's you again.
_"You mean the Church that keeps changing its teachings"_ LOL This just proves your ignorance. The way you describe the Trinity, Purgatory, Original Sin, your worship of the Cross, Mary and the Saints, Creation ex Nihilo and the idea of God being a spirit were all teachings added hundreds of years later. Hell, the indulgences came and went.
The Kingdom of Glory, Exaltation, the importance of Prophets and Apostles, and many more things were removed (Please tell me I am wrong).
_"Polygamy"_ Hasn't changed. We just aren't actively practicing here on Earth.
_"Blacks"_ Our Doctrine hasn't changed. The things said by leaders in the past weren't doctrinal, nor was it unique to us and was taught by the Catholic Church.
_"Adam as God"_ Never was a doctrine nor teaching in the way you are trying to mean it. There is a mix of scribal error, transmission errors and even Brigham’s own uncertainty which resulted in unclear meaning of Brigham Young's original meaning. The most likely meaning was that Brigham was speaking of Adam in the context of him being the presiding priesthood holder over all the human family, and therefore "our Father and our God", similar to how Moses was called a god to Aaron and Pharaoh, which is doctrinal. For every reference to Adam as God, there are even more references where Brigham Young teaches that Adam is just Adam and God is God, two separate beings. In the same sermon, Brigham says “It is true that the earth was organized by three distinct characters, namely, Eloheim, Yahovah (Jehovah or Yahweh), and Michael” or names God, Jesus Christ and Adam as 3 separate beings.
_"now backing away from being a God of your own planet"_ Because we are supposed to consider becoming true "Saints" and gaining salvation before focusing too much on being gods.
What an excellent person to interview about this. I was half expecting some anti-mormon crazy person. Even though I'm not a practicing Mormon anymore I really appreciate someone being so fair about his faith journey. I'm in the same situation with my faith as Isaac was and I'm trying to be just as objective about my pursuit of truth. It's hard to see so much beauty in the LDS church but also feel pulled away from it for various reasons. It's so hard (if not impossible) to find something to believe in that doesn't have major reasonable criticisms when all I want is to give my whole self to a religion I can rely on. At this point building my faith seems like constructing a building without a foundation. Pray for me if you can :)
I'll definitely pray for you.
Isaac Hess and Stephen Johnson need to start an “On the Journey” podcast (similar to The Coming Home Network’s) which employs a personal apologetic style on how one moves from LDS to Catholic. I didn’t grow up LDS, but I would binge watch that show like I do On the Journey with Matt, Ken, and Kenny!
I grew up in a Catholic family. Converted to LDS at age 18. Still love being LDS. I really enjoyed this conversation. I remember doing some genealogy work, and just being very proud that I come from a long line of believers. Because of my catholic ancestors, my family and extended family has faith in Christ. That was very powerful to me. The Catholic Church has helped both my great grandfather and my grandfather spiritually, when it came time for them to bury their children. This has been their spiritual support for centuries. I disagree with many aspects of Catholic tradition, but I will always be a friend to Catholics and the Catholic Church for the good they’ve done to my family. Without them, we wouldn’t enjoy living under the umbrella of a Christian world view like we do now. And like Isaac Hess said regarding how him and his wife navigate their flavors of Christianity in the home-- they still have so much in common, and so do we. We believe in the parables, the sermon on the mount, the resurrection, and so much more.
I also appreciate the love and respect with which many Catholics and LDS treat each other. However, I personally hesitate to consider LDS a different “flavor” of Christianity because belief of Jesus as a divine deity and member of the Trinity doesn’t exist in LDS, and Jesus’ claims in the Bible can’t be skirted off like that. His claims were huge. It makes me think of C.S. Lewis’ Trilemma argument for Jesus being truly the Lord! If you haven’t heard of it, please look into it! It’s written in ‘Mere Christianity.’
@@Clementine202 we believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God. I'm not sure if it gets more divine than that. Jesus is Lord. In the title page of the Book of Mormon, when explaining one of the purposes of the Book of Mormon, it says "...to the convincing of the Jew and the Gentile that Jesus is the Christ, the Eternal God...". Now, of course there are differences in how we view the trinity. And of course you believe in your point of view and I believe in mine. And you are welcome to hesitate to consider us a flavor of Christianity. Respectfully, it's not your validation or approval that we are seeking.
As a former member of the LDS church, I so enjoyed this. Glory to Jesus the Christ! Thank you @isaachess19
Glory forever! 🙏☦️♥️
I’m halfway through the podcast so far - I can’t stop listening! Wonderful podcast once again! Thanks Isaac & Matt!
Agreed! First time I have listened to an entire podcast here. Excellent and well spoken guest.
Such an intelligent, intelectual person called by Jesus to the church He Himself started. Thank you for your testimony!
This entire interview, because of the depth and honesty of the self-questioning process, reflects such ultimate goodness. Real life, real fun, real pain, real work. This interview is a real gift. Very relatable, no matter one’s background, because no matter one’s background, (revert, convert) we are Credo Catholics and pilgrims. All true sign posts help all.Thank you.
This was an amazing interview! I had to watch it in 3 parts, but I was totally hooked each time. THANK YOU for sharing your story Isaac. God bless you!
So inspired by this interview. God bless you all. ❤🙏🏻 ✝️
You have a huge heart Matt. Thank you for these talks. I love your approach when you speak to people. You create a safe environment for people to share their stories.
What a great conversation. Thanks for having him on.
I’m in tears hearing about your second child. God bless you and your family!
I am currently Catholic but strongly considering Eastern Orthodoxy and I am confused as to what to do. At this point I have been away from the Catholic sacraments for an extended period of time now… pray for me
What keeps you from Orthodoxy?
Stay catholic, jumping around is more confusing. Just completely trust in JESUS & EUCHARIST. make a face to face confession w/compassionate priest 🙏before for Divine Providence & Holy Spirit for guidance. Good journey❤
Im an ex Mormon aswell. Id love to be on this show x
Why did you choose to leave?
Because I realised president Nelson and his cronies didn't believe what they preach. God in scripture doesn't change his mind but the Mormon God clearly does!!!
Penny dropped when the Rosetta stones proved the Egyption ecscryptions were all jiberish n it came out J Smith was a thraudster and diviner before he found the golden plates.
The Lord has blessed Isaac Hess. He has guided his journey to the truth and the true church.
Wow at around 1 hr and 18min… where he talks about seeing the abyss and falling into nothingness. Wow☹️☹️ I feel like I’ve been experiencing that coming from a charismatic/baptist upbringing despairing over philosophical problems and not knowing how to escape skepticism and just a total chaos. If it’s Christianity or nothing, Christianity wins every time. That still doesn’t change the emptiness and distance one feels from God. The most important thing I can think to do is to pray to God, even still I am consumed with distractions and pornography occasionally and strife with my family. I need to connect with God again, all your prayers would be appreciated
I will pray for you 🙏🏻
“Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God. And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.” - Philippians 4:6-7
I'm reading this 4 months later but it touched my heart. I felt this way once and left the faith for a long time. I'm biased but the catholic church is such a beautiful haven for your soul. If your looking to get close to God, go to adoration or just to a mass and see if you encounter him there. I would say get on your knees and ask him if he's there. I can almost guarantee he will make himself known. God bless you ❤❤❤
The Eucharist is the Body and Blood of Christ. So often one sees priests and others treat the Holy Sacrament with near contempt. More reverence is given to the priest than to adoring Christ in the Holy Sacrament. To me this is unbelievably sad. Thank you, Isaac, for such a heartfelt interview
Sometimes when Mormons encounter something that shakes their faith, they don’t go to anyone for help or tell anyone because it feels shameful to have read something that can cause doubt or it just feels shameful to have had any doubt. It’s like a dark secret that you don’t want anyone to find out. That was my experience when I first started to encounter problems with Mormon truth claims.
I think that Mr. Hess seeking a faith tradition that could withstand scrutiny more securely speaks to the pressure he felt to repress his doubts and issues.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ's one and only true church here on earth. There are no problems with our truth claims.
@@dylanwilliams2202 Sure there are plenty of issues that’s one of the main topics of the interview but I understand your assertive take, eh!
@@dylanwilliams2202 One of us is right and one of us is wrong. It’s a matter of objective facts, and not a matter of assertion, however powerfully it is put forth. But I have no desire to try to persuade you away from what you believe.
I once heard someone say, “It’s a comforting thought the way Christ is so responsive to faith and I believe God values sincerity, so if you are full-blooded, wholehearted, with every level of your being seeking truth, I think we know we have a God who will honor that.”
I pray that we will both be committed to truth and seek God with our whole hearts even if the result humbles us to the dust. God bless you.
@@undolf4097No, there isn't. You are welcome to try and point to something and see if it sticks.
You just described our parish in Turku, Finland. Music almost nonexisting(or it would have been better without it) but our prists are just The best. Also from Poland)
What an interesting, kind, wise man.
I pray for his wife’s conversion.
matt, THANK YOU for the book references!!! you have noooo idea how much i appreciate this, as i admire the writings that bring people to such wholeness. especially crediting the incredible minds that help guide us!!!! bless you brother :)
Praying for your daughter that passed away. I cant imagine.
Thank you Isaac for sharing.
I was really touched by your story and journey. It paralleled my own in a few ways that I found particularly moving. I too came to the Catholic church by way of the Orthodox Church. Julian of Norwich also was a key part of my journey with the loss of a child. In my case through a miscarriage. In fact we named the baby Julian. I will continue to pray for you.
Thank you.
Issac the metaphor about the Egyptian cook book and potatoes was purdy darn good brother
I really wish I could have these conversations with my family members, but in the mean time I am enjoying these interviews. I also was very active, a very "good" Mormon. In fact most people from the ward I grew up in either think I'm just still LDS or are floored when I tell them I'm not. It's frustrating that most will now just write me off as not actually knowing what the LDS church teaches.
Really enjoyed this discussion and conversion story! Issac is really articulate and so down to earth. I could listen to him all day!
What a great interview!!
To the guest soeaker:
Your two health issues could have been linked with chronic anxiety. If youre still dealing with these issues please treat your gut health and treat your anxiety. I experienced similar things after the loss of three of my family members and my dad was also dying. I finally realized my symptoms were anxiety and stress.
This is sich an informative discussion. Thank you
Just saw three young Mormon missionaries today at the metro today in my country, Malaysia. It'd be inspiring if it isn't also sad (I hope I put it the right way) that these men braved their way to lesser known places in the world for a non-Catholic faith. I simply offered the rosary that I was praying for their conversion and carried on with my business.
These young men and women pay their own way to share their love for their Saviour, they are remarkable . How many youth give two years of their lives to share their love of Jesus Christ,at their own expense.
Praying for you, brother Isaac.May the Good Lord, the Healer, grant you good health in the Name of Jesus. Amen!
Current Mormon here. I'm happy that Brother Hess has found a way to connect with God that fulfills him spiritually and intellectually. To quote Joseph Smith, "the old Catholic Church has more truth than all the rest."
As catholic I always have deep respect and love for Mormons. God bless you all
The old Catholic Church is the same Church alive today. Christ never left us. “And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.” - Matthew 16:18 ❤ if you are craving the old Catholic Church simply attend an FSSP Parish or a Latin Mass community, their you will find the old truth Church still alive ❤
Finally! Something was mentioned on your show that I've actually been to: the Cathedral in Salt Lake City. It is gorgeous. As I recall it was built in 1909. The tabernacle is not only centrally located but stand-alone...way taller that I am.
For those of you converting or thinking of becoming Catholic, please attend the traditional latin Mass, you'll fall in love immediately!!
Great until the end. I cannot comprehend not fighting to keep children away from false teaching. I get that it would put their marriage on some rocky ground, but some fights are worth it.
John 4 - the Father seeks those who worship in spirit and truth. That is the message I give to LDS missionaries when they come to hang out at my house. We look at John 4, I openly appreciate their willingness to venture out into the world for what they think is pleasing to God, but then I gently point out they lack the truth. We shouldn't skip that opportunity, even if our spouse isn't a fan of the idea...
This was a superb interview. Thanks Mr. Fradd and Mr. Hess for doing this!
Please, pray for my girlfriend and me. I am currently discerning if it is my vocation to evangelize her to Catholicism, as she was born and raised into an LDS family (in europe mind you, which is rare), and I have come to love her with all my heart. I've said to myself, this woman or no other, I don't think I can love any other human like this again. If I am not meant to be hers, then clearly I can only belong to the Lord. I have been praying for a sign from our Lord, an OBVIOUS one as I am both immune to subtetly and very stubborn if I should continue our relationship and hopefully allow it to become a marriage, or if I should not continue to pursue our relationship, as I do not wish to waste either of our best years (we're both early 20s) more than is necessary. I think on an intellectual level, to convince someone of orthodox Christianity is not particularly difficult, as unlike Islam, Mormonism, JW's etc., especially Catholic (and eastern Orthodox) Christianity does not require mental gymnastics and scriptural cherrypickery to make an obvious point as to why it is true, given the person at least believes in authority of Scripture. However, the Holy Spirit is the one who really does the work in bringing someone to the faith, and to me it seems I don't really have the appropriate gift, charism or whatever to evangelize the type of person that she is.
praying for you
Latter-day Saint here, married to a Latter-day Saint. My wife and I realized that the majority of our very close friends are Roman Catholics. I do not ever see myself converting to Catholicism (any more than they can see themselves becoming Latter-day Saints), but we have great love and respect for our Catholic neighbors and friends.
I feel kinda bad. I saw the LDS guys coming around the block so I grabbed my cloak and cat and open the door and said oh good you’re here for the ritual and they turned and walked away.
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Thumbs up at “I don’t want to keep making this my hobby. I want to know.”
His first mass experience should be heard by every bishop and priest in the American church. We have squandered and lost the reverence and beauty.
Mass is a 100% false manmade unbiblical abomination.
Thank you for sharing your journey. I just love to hear intellectual conversions reaching the heart & soul. Praise God !
On a side note, thank you for also sharing the story about the native Americans. It's always brings tears to my eyes when someone realizes that we were & still are a civilized & intellectual people. Maybe not by the common & popular standards of others. As native people, we have survived years & years on our own, in our own way of knowing & living. We are scientists, engineers, doctors & more in our own way.
I appreciate you !
@LenaSheppard I honor the Native American peoples and am proud that our Catholic ancestors helped (and protected, in many cases - thinking of St. Junipero Serra) bring Jesus Christ to them. Being of Irish ancestry, I fondly recall that the Cherokee people - who had next to nothing at the time - donated to the starving Irish people. We have much more in common than that which might divide us. Do you know the story of Venerable Mary of Agreda? She bilocated from Spain to Texas, teaching and preparing the Native Americans to receive the Gospel, in the 1700s. May God grant you His peace.
This was such a blessing. God bless you.
Great interview. Grew up fundamentalist LDS and am also of pioneer heritage. LDS do believe God was once a man. "As man is God once was, as God is man may become."
This guy lives in the same city my parish is in. I know he was opposed to eastern orthodoxy, but if he is ever wanting to check it out we have a beautiful Byzantine Catholic liturgy out here
Hi there! If you're referring to St. Thomas the Apostle Byzantine Church, I've visited a few times and really enjoyed it. I attend St. Anne (just around the corner) and enjoy it very much there as well.
@isaachess19 that's very cool, might see you in that upcoming procession!
@@roarkkaufman9339 I won't be in the procession unfortunately, because I have a bad foot injury and can't walk that distance. But I plan to be at the picnic afterward to the park.
The passing of your daughter in your arms … that is so Huge ❤ 🙏🏼🔔 You Will see her again.
Thank you for sharing your story!
I have been waiting all day for this! ☺🙏❤✝️
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Excellent work sir!
😂😂😂 love!!!! ❤️
What an outstanding episode! Thank you for hosting it, and thank you Isaac for sharing :-)
Praying for your family Isaac. ❤
May Saint Anthony help your wife and children "find" their way to the Mystical Body of Christ on earth...His Holy Roman Apostolic Catholic Church. God love and protect you all. ❤️
Never stop interviewing LDS people.
Isaac is the best!
Served some years in the Military and found the LDS folk working with me to be exceptional. They were young and married early and on an enlisted salary raised children, very inspirational. One fellow had spent his mission in Nagoya, Japan, coincidentally, before I served in the military I also taught English in Catholic Schools in Tokyo. If I wasn't Catholic, I think I would definitely have been drawn into the LDS Church, they had great family values.
While they do have great values, I would not join that institution because it is false. Eastern Orthodoxy would be my next option if I ever left Catholicism
While they do have great values, I would not join that institution because it is false. Eastern Orthodoxy would be my next option if I ever left Catholicism
Wonderful conversation, I watched the whole thing from start till end. I feel like I really needed to hear some of this too.