An atheist wouldn’t say they don’t have morals. They would say they have morals that are not made by a god. The idea is that you don’t need a god to have morals. Just civilization. (Edit for clarity, a typical atheist wouldn’t say they have no morals, as pointed out being atheist only means we agree on one thing: there is no god)
Actually as an Atheist I still follow the Old Testament for medical knowledge as I am a cherry picking smart dude like one time my dog had a hurt leg so I dumped goat blood on her and did a sacrificial dance as I killed my family
"Kill a one person, and you are the murderer. Kill a million of people, and you are the king conqueror hero. Kill them all (everyone, all life, all beings), and you're a God.".........
***** And let's not forget the one that says that slaves must be obedient to their masters, even the harsh ones. The same verse that was also used by Southern slave owners to justify slavery.
I know--I've heard this plot before, but I thought it was a Greek myth or a story from Shakespeare. I didn't know until this year that it was from the Wholly BuyBull.
Damn, they hated me in Sunday school. I had so many questions about the damn flood and the logistics. But the rainbow thing was baffling. I was wondering how light refraction worked before God altered the laws of physics to put a reminder to himself to not murder most of the global population again. I had all these questions, but I still didn't totally disbelieve yet. They were trying to make things up to answer me, but they only caused more questions and they just wanted to get to the next story.
Its so true, and maybe we wouldn't hate religion so much if they just made up a new book with a new God who believed in things like freedom and basic human rights... Oh wait we do have that, Its GOERGE WASHINGTON and the Constitution of AMERICA, hell yea ;)
I was a Christian, born into it. I heard every story in the book. I read almost the entire Bible. I cannot believe I never heard of or read this story for myself. I am no longer a believer but this still shocked me. I looked it up for myself thinking maybe it was taken out of context or something.. it wasn't. Christians are trained and brought up with the good stories. Encouraged to memorize verses that make Christianity to look positive. I was told that the Bible is infallible. (I was also told not to ask too many questions.. literally told that straight up). Anyways I still feel deceived. Good on you for making these videos. They are very helpful to me. It makes me more sure in my decision to renounce my belief in God.
I read the bible too. Cover to cover. That book was not long after dumped at the landfill transfer station fate unknown. I don't remember reading this story. I was just so bored trying to get through all the nuanced laws and genocide descriptions and begats. Plus being in high school I must have had cognitive dissonance when encountering all that crap in contrast to what the focused passages of the New Testament say.
I had heard of this story before when i was a child. We had this childrens book that had pictures in it an all. Thi story was there too so i vividly remember what i thought about it... I actually thought that she was sent to something like a monastery tbh. When they say She is yahwehs, i thought from that day on she served her as a priestess. So this shocked me a lot as well.. God damn.. Childhood ruined again :D and they had this story in a CHİLDS BOOK WİTH PİCTURES!!! No pictures of a human sacrifices of course BUT STİLL WTF?
Most religions just focus on the scriptures that support their ideals and ignore the rest and most believers don't read the entire book to discover all the contradictions. Once they do, they are usually done.
I was a Jehovah's Witness and I remember asking about this story and the explanation the J Dubs gave was well, since Jehovah is going to resurrect everyone to a paradise earth (they don't believe you go to heaven when you die) that it was ok because now the sacrificed daughter will be magically brought back to life in an edenic world and won't remember her traumatic death. So it's ok! Sigh...the sad part is I went along with this crap for a long time.
its funny because Christians today actually try to explain how this was perfectly acceptable, there's always a hidden meaning and a "context" that makes everything okay.
mike derocco You can’t have one without the other. You say Jews wrote those books but they’re writing about the same God. When Jesus came to spread his word, he didn’t just his reset - he was a Jew. He went to the synagogue and promoted Old Testament laws. If you deny the Old Testament then you also have to cancel out the so called “prophecies” which defend the legitimacy of Jesus as the son of God.
@mike derocco visit Matthew 5:18-20. These verses bind the NT to the OT, while stating that we need a deeper understanding of the laws beyond the scribes and Pharisees. Jesus makes a blanket statement that doesn't really resolve the moral problems of the OT.
THAT IS A LIE, IN THE TORAH IT WAS PROHIBIT SACRFICE, KILL, MURDER A PERSON. THE SACRIFICE WAS TO PAY IN SILVER A PRICE. SHE MUST KEPT VIRGIN. THAT IS A MESSAGE FOR NOW-A-DAYS, THE WOMAN =KEHILA MAINTAIN VIRGIN TO MEET YHWH IN THE 3RD HEAVENS. SERVE IN THE TEMPLE FOR REST OF HER LIFE. . YOU MUST BE AWARE OF LIE=SIN=SHEOL !!!!
It's the way NonStampCollector presented the story. I especially liked how the two angels pleaded with the lord to send them down to save the girl, then displaying their reaction as God lets her die. Now one can understand why many mass murdering white nationalists view having a sense of empathy as a weakness...
This particular story was the one that broke my mind free of religious apologia. It was a men's morning study before service, and this story was the opening verse, and... we NEVER got past the premise. There was a whole lesson crafted around making promises to God, but I took a stand there and ran it into the ground with question after morally-infuriated question. And man, I lost a lot (if not all) of the respect I had for these paragons of faith who showed me just how well they had trained their tongue to tap dance. I will never forget how my moral compass hit the brakes so hard it sent my copilot Jesus crashing through my rose-tinted windshield. It took 8 years of indoctrination and worship before I heard this disgusting story, another 5 after it to completely rewire my brain. Better late than never I guess.
"Don't make promises to God" is a ridiculous reading. Judges is a book about how far Israel had fallen, how little they knew of God, and it says this explicitly multiple times. Sounds like your Bible study group was trying to excuse the judges' behaviour, you were right to draw a line
@@a.i.l1074 No, they were trying to excuse God's behavior, or rationalize it by pumping it full of enough apologetics and then squeeze a drop of apparently-righteous judgment from their patron deity. For me, even that tiny spurt of "ethics" or "morality" that they tried to make sound godly just came off as mental gymnastics that still resulted in unjustifiable cruelty.
@@a.i.l1074 Then why is Yahweh rewarding them for falling into barbarity? Why is God making deals to help a man murder an entire town and asking for a human sacrifice? The power of motivated reasoning and fear of eternal torment to make people believe ridiculous things.
I once anonymously described God to a psychotherapist acquaintance of mine. In short, the psychotherapist labeled God as a narcissistic, schizophrenic, sociopath. A real manipulative, unstable monster… Then I told her who I was describing and all the freaking excuses came out.
Lmaooooo I'm gonna try this sometime in the future. Edit: Wait, narcissist, schizophrenic, and a sociopath?.... Yeah that goes to r/thathappened I don't think these can coexist in one psyche... I'll still try this tho.
Raspian the Right Wing Guy I think sociopathy has some neurological grounding so it still wouldn't make sense, I mean theoretically I think this combo isn't entirely unplausable but it is very unlikely.
"Schizophrenic" and "sociopath" both are mental illnesses than cannot be diagnosed based on a person's description. No psychotherapist would ever label anyone as such after only listening to a few of the things he supposedly has done. Also, "unstable monster" isn't something that anyone related to psychology would say as a diagnosis. Your story is about as fake as religion.
What if God is just an overpowered Man-child with retardation and inferiority complex? Let's be honest here, sometimes God is actually something that should be seen with pure pity and nothing more.
@@DeadmanDave Really? Where does it say that? I suspect what you mean is the *you* realise this was an act of monstrous barbarity and you have superimposed your sense of morality onto God and come up with a justification which simply isn't written there. So much for getting our morals from god. More commonly I see people superimposing their own morality on God to try to excuse the inexcusable.
***** I didn't say that. I'm saying that you ramble on and on about nonsense and its paragraphs worth, nobody is going to read it. You want to make a point, learn to abridge.
***** I'm fine with that. And it has nothing to do with my willingness or unwillingness to learn. I just have a low tolerance for people who are self righteous. And also for stupidity.
***** Oh I'm outright insulting you, nothing subversive about it. I called you self-righteous and stupid. flat out. I don't see anything subversive at all, unless your borderline illiterate.
***** Yes, it is a waste of your time. And for not caring, you sure seem to care an awful lot. Also, if you want to convince me that your literate, try to not use so many grammatical errors next time. And since your the one trying to force a viewpoint on me, perhaps I'm justified in calling you a "theocratic Nazi." Also, oversimplified is NOT a synonym to the word abridged. Better learn some English, oh "prestigious" one. Lastly, a hypocrite is someone who says one thing and does another. I have done no such thing. Might want to purchase a dictionary in addition to a thesaurus.
Grew up evangelical, and amazingly they DID mention this story in church, and they DIDN'T falsify the ending, but the lesson was always that you shouldn't make a rash promise. That's it. They never pointed out: 1. in verse 29 that "the Spirit of the LORD came upon Jephthah," meaning that he was acting under divine inspiration when he made this vow one verse later (so God inspired the rash, evil vow? the same way that he hardened the hearts of the Egyptians so he had cause to punish them later?) 2. that if God had intervened with Abraham and Isaac he could have easily intervened here, but didn't... which doesn't make sense, since if the vow was apparently made under the influence of "the Spirit of the LORD," then why wasn't he just setting up a lesson the whole time?, and 3. If the point was to teach Jephthah not to make a rash promise, why didn't God transfer some kind of penance or punishment to HIM and spare his daughter? And why, after this and killing 42,000 more Israelites later, did Jephthah make the faith hall of fame in Hebrews 11? I've been voraciously watching this channel over the past couple days and loving what I'm seeing (albeit a decade late), but this video shook me deeply. Who knew MSPaint could render violence so horrifyingly? But it's necessary. The storytelling here and throughout the other videos is top-notch, in addition to the depth of research and argument. Thank you for making what you've made here, NonStampCollector. This one didn't just reach my brain. It pierced my heart.
Yes if you read the bible you will see most of the evil acts are by God. Even other bad actors like Pharaoh etc are just being mind controlled by God to act evil.
I was taught the same as a catholic. Even as a kid this bothered me to no end, even if they kept saying, "no but you see, it's jeptah's fault!" If this story teaches anything it's that apparently keeping your word on a stupid bet is more valuable than the life if your own daughter.
You asked great questions, and I will try to answer them as best as I can. 1. This is actually an incredibly interesting question. I guess what I would answer is that the promise itself was not wicked. That is, if a sheep came out of his house then there would have been no issue with the promise. So it doesn't matter if God even told outright him to make this promise. Indeed, he was permitted to annul the vow (see Rashi 11:39), but it was because of his own arrogance that he didn't. He did not have the Spirit of the LORD when he refused to annul the vow. 2. God is by definition unknowable so we can't know why God does what God does, or why God doesn't what God doesn't. We can never compare two cases and demand why God didn't act in the same way in both cases. We can ask and try to learn from what God did, but we can't challenge God. Indeed, there is an infinite number of unknowable factors that go into every situation so you can never compare two cases in the first place. That being so, the Abraham-Isaac almost-sacrifice is extremely different than this case in a number of clear ways. 3. So I think that what you asked in your question (1) offers a new insight into the text that I never knew before. Why would God encourage this oath? The answer is to teach Jephthah (and us) not to make rash promises because we don't know how they might turn out. That being said, as I wrote above, he could have annulled his vow. Thus, he would have gotten the lesson, and his daughter would not have been killed. Indeed, it was HIS fault that he followed through with the oath. He wasn't punished or killed before the end of his judge career because he still had what to do in order to save the Israelite people. But the commentators teach us (See Rashi there) that he was severely punished -- both physically, spiritually, and perhaps even losing his chance of resurrection -- when he died. I hope these answer your questions.
@@judahlopatin9733 Nope. You don't get to claim that the bible is infallible and literal, then cite some extra-biblical source to justify this sick, murderous torture porn. Last time I checked, it's called "Christianity," not "Rashianity," and if you knew a GD thing about the bible, you'd know that the claim that Jephthat could lose his "chance of resurrection" is not remotely biblical. I get it. It's a horrible story that the primitive savages who actually wrote your so called "holy book" should have been wise enough to edit out. They didn't, so you have to use whatever mendacious, intellectually reprehensible crap you can to weasel out of defending the indefensible. Epic fail!
@@dennisdale6404 Hey, Dennis! First of all, I just want to say that I am Jewish, so I am defending the Jewish faith and not the Christian faith. So I don't believe in "Christianity" OR "Rashianity." :) Are you familiar with the way that Jews understand the Bible? Basically, there are two "Torahs:" the "Written Torah" (the Old Testament) and the "Oral Torah" (everything else, including the Talmud, Midrash, and the rest of Jewish tradition and law). We believe that they are both interconnected and given at Sinai, and one cannot be understood without the other. So Rashi's comments (being as they are primarily based on Midrash and Talmud), are part of the Oral Torah and therefore are a part of Jewish canon. Does that make sense? I don't think I claimed that the Bible is literal...if I did, I would take it back, as it doesn't seem to be a Jewish belief. Are you Jewish or Christian? I noticed that you wrote "GD" as opposed to "God," and you seem to know a good deal about the Bible, at least enough to know that what I said about Resurrection was wrong. :) To tell you the truth, there is nothing "Biblical" about Resurrection as it is never mentioned (explicitly) in the Written Torah! (I can't claim anything about the New Testament, as I don't hold it to be canon.) So when we are discussing Resurrection (in the Jewish faith) we are talking about the Oral Torah. I must say that I cannot claim to know everything about Resurrection or the World to Come -- no one has gone and lived to tell the tale -- but there are a couple things that I have heard that may or may not be true. One thing was that one cannot be resurrected if their limbs are not buried together. Now, certainly this principle does not apply if limbs were missing, or it was impossible to find them (like someone who was killed in action, God forbid, and his limbs were blasted), etc., but if I was the cause of my limbs not being buried together, so maybe this principle would apply. In addition, it stands to reason according to what I have seen that someone who commits such an awful crime as to sacrifice their child -- especially out of arrogance (the worst trait a person can have) -- would not necessarily get a chance at Resurrection, so Jephthah would not necessarily get the chance. Again, I have not seen this anywhere in the Talmud or in any Jewish literature -- I have only heard it -- so that's why I said "perhaps" even losing his chance of resurrection. If I may ask a question of you, I was wondering -- if you thought that the Bible was not written by God, so why would the writers not take this story out? Or at least, as it was passed down for the past 2000+ years, why did no one think to remove it from the literature? I think that if it was "indefensible" then someone would have thought to remove it... I like how you ended that with "Epic fail!" :) I think it ended your otherwise heavy comment on a light note. I hope I answered your questions. Please let me know if I didn't or if there's something that still requires clarification! Have a great week!
There is a reason why after I read Judges for my discipleship program I began questioning God’s love. I attribute this crazy, bloody, absolutely insane book as the reason why I began the long, long road to deconverting.
God's face when the angels are trying to get him to send them to stop the sacrifice cracks me up. Like, "Nope, I'm gettin' this one. I don't gotta say shit."
The best part about this is that NonStamp gave humanity to Jephthah, he could have depicted him like an inhuman savage. I think that helps drive the point home how immoral God is compared to humans because at the very least Jephthah seemed torn up.
The fact that Jephthah offered up a human sacrifice says that this was something God sometimes demanded and was culturally accepted. It makes me think how many children had to die for some imaginary man in the sky.
I love the fact that you said "torn up". I literally laughed out loud because the commentators explain that God actually condemned what happened, and therefore punished Jephthah severely. Literally by "tearing him up"!
But anyway, I think that this is one of the central problems of the video: NSC depicts Jephthah as too human and good. But in reality, it was Jephthah who made the oath. Not God. And God actually offered an opportunity for Jephthah to annul his vow and Jephthah was too arrogant to accept it. He was severely punished for this.
Imagine your daughter came home from a trip to a the Amazon and said "I have joined a human sacrifice cult in Brazil." Parents would faint dead away, but somehow they don't notice that is what Christianity is.
I am learning more about the bible from these Microsoft Paint animations than I did through a childhood and teenhood of competitive bible quizzing, summer camps, Church, and personal devotional times.
@@DeadmanDave So, is the fact it's unforgivable the reason your god hasn't even bothered to _try_ apologizing for masterminding said atrocity? Personally, I'd still like to hear what it has to say for itself.
@@TagSpamCop First of all, God didn't mastermind it. Secondly, what sort of apology do you want? In the very same verse it is written, "And it became a law in Israel." The commentators explain that this means that no one should ever make this sort of oath again and presumably who should go to whom in a Judge / High Priest conflict.
THAT IS A LIE, IN THE TORAH IT WAS PROHIBIT SACRFICE, KILL, MURDER A PERSON. THE SACRIFICE WAS TO PAY IN SILVER A PRICE. SHE MUST KEPT VIRGIN. THAT IS A MESSAGE FOR NOW-A-DAYS, THE WOMAN =KEHILA MAINTAIN VIRGIN TO MEET YHWH IN THE 3RD HEAVENS. SERVE IN THE "TEMPLE" (HEAVENS)FOR REST OF HER LIFE. . LIE=SIN=SHEOL !!!!
The story of Abraham almost killing Isaac really did a number on me as a kid. I am greatful that I learnt about this story as an adult cause I can't imagine how this would have affected me back then.
Do you know how christians defend this story tho? It's hysterical: The last verses talk about how she never slept with a man and "then her father fulfilled his promise" which doesn't explicitly say that she died. Wow what a great defense. I saw someone claim here in the comment section that she didn't die and just became a nun, which is nowhere in the text, and I checked the latin and hebrew version
Roedy Green because of the human sacrifice element, we are all used to god making huge wars, but the Christians like to say god would never condone human sacrifice, and also use it as the excuse god had to kill all those other tribes anyway
NSC called it butchery and slaughter, just to put the act of killing them into context. Though if it was me that made that cartoon, when yahweh was considering the offer, I would have taken omniscience into account…
Surely anyone who knowingly chooses to worship evil IS evil? If a person has read the Bible and knows of the evil that god has ordered, or done himself, and continues to worship him, then surely that person is worshipping evil - and therefore evil basically evil, because he/she actually approves of everything Yahweh is responsible for? I applaud anyone with the courage to point out the parts that they forgot to teach us in church and/or Sunday school.
Psalm 84 :11 For the Lord God is a sun 🌞 John 8 :12 I am the Light of the world🌞 Malachi 4:2 Sun of righteousness 🌞 That's why they put a picture of the Sun on some the Bibles instead of a drawing of Jesus. The Old Testmement was written in Hebrew, Hebrew word for Sun is Shemash, Shemash was the Sun-God of the Sumerians and the Babylonians in 2,100 BC. That's why Christians worship on a SUNday🌞, they worship a ancient Sun-God and don't even know it🤣
Riff McClavin Same here I will never go back to Christianity again. They keep using the old testament card but Jesus said "I'm not here to abolish the law but, to fulfill it". Yes the old testament is part of the new one.
mike derocco Same book. Judaism is just as disgusting as Christianity but since they don’t believe in the New Testament, they’re marginally less hypocritical. The early Christians worshipped this same God.
@@DeadmanDave The bible says that Jephthah worked rightousness. He is clearly revered by the author of Hebrews: Hebrews 11:32-33 And what more shall I say? For the time would fail me to tell of Gideon and Barak and Samson and Jephthah, also of David and Samuel and the prophets: who through faith subdued kingdoms, worked righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,
The music, God's "speaking silence", the "I am sorry" and then the screaming...the sacrifice part of that video sent chills down my spine. For real, that was...speaking...
"They were evil babies who deserved it" lol. This line made me want to cry. When I was trying to explain to my Christian aunt how god is evil, and used Exodus as an example, she actually did say "Well, we don't know the babies didn't deserve it." I wish she was joking. I wish I was exaggerating. But I'm not. And that's the way it is where I live, in Bible Belt America. It's nice to be able to get online and see that other people understand how ridiculous this is. Keep making videos!
the "I'm so sorry" at 8:55 actually managed to be really heartbreaking despite being a cartoon. How could anyone watch this and then imagine themselves in Jepthah's place and think "yes I would plunge the knife into my loved one's heart as they beg for mercy"?
wow... uhhh just read Judges 11 -- none of this is out of context. never heard this story before despite 18 years in the church. Good on you for making these.
Her killing by the her own father is so much downplayed in Bible , But when its presented with visual and sound effect as what would happen if it was really conducted , it gives shiver down the spine and U wonder WTF !
Hitler was an atheist! He got his moral philosophy from his atheism. If Hitler was a bible believer, which he wasn't, he'd have been a paragon of morality! Atheists, like Hitler, as we all know, only want to sin and so reject God, like Hitler. Silly boy
When he said that smashing children to rocks was a source of happiness I went like "wtf?" Then I HAD to google Psalm 137:9: "Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks." The bible never ceases to amaze me...
@@mrcurly1147 I think killing is an acceptable act on a Sunday -Numbers 15:32-36. God commanded the killing of a man for picking up sticks on the sabouth, so picking up sticks is out, but killing is ok any day of the week.
I real the Bible out of curiosity and was shocked at the violent and unfairness and God manipulating things for his "friends". I had to reread some parts because I really didn't think the Bible was like that. I can't believe people actually formed a religion around the devious, violent, unfair events ordered, caused or condoned by God. I believe in God, just not the one in the bible.
Yeah, when I was about 7-8, I knew a lot of my family was religious, I was baptized as baby, had gone to services with them, was interested in the stories and just the general idea of God and that there was this plan and an explanation behind all the wonderful stuff we see in nature, and how it was made, and it was intriguing to me, I wanted to learn more... So, I picked up a Bible, and started reading... Read the thing cover to cover.. and not only was I struck by how brutal is was, but how unfair, contradictory and just obviously totally made up it all sounded, kings telling people to obey their orders because God said to (sure, they'd have no reason to lie, right? I mean, all they get to do is rule everyone, kill anyone they like, and force people to do whatever they want... Why would they use false pretenses to get into power?) An omniscient being that has to ask people where they are and what they are doing.. A perfectly good and just being who condemns people to infinite punishment for finite crimes... it's all just ridiculous. Even God himself acts like a petty dictator in the Bible, jealous and vain by his own admission, supremely flawed even though the book kept saying he was perfect (oops, messed up making this, let me destroy EVERYTHING and kill EVERYONE because of it...) Every person throughout history condemned to suffer all their lives and even afterwards, all because a person who was essentially a baby and literally had no way to know better, ate a fruit they weren't supposed to, that they were tricked into eating by a snake God put there, while God watched and did nothing to prevent it... That's when I decided I wanted nothing to do with that religion, and that the whole thing was total hogwash. I think the Bible itself has made more atheists than all the arguments atheists themselves have ever made.
Jesse Finnerty I agree with you. I remember a part when I think it was Abraham was offered shelter at a friend's home and was fed, etc and then Abraham decides to steal all his cattle during the night. The friend or ex friend comes after him to get his cattle back and God, no less caused him to become immobile so Abraham could steal the cattle.
catsalive1 On that note, I like the story AronRa mentioned once about how God was wrestling with Jacob and cheats by hurting Jacob's groin so he could win (Genesis 32:22-32). So, not only can this all powerful, all-good, perfect being not beat a mortal in wrestling in a fair match, he's petty enough and dishonest enough to cheat.
I always thought the only really important thing about the God of the Bible is the horrific belief in a hell (eternal burning with snakes, or whatever phobias a person may have and remember this is _forever_ Only a sadistic psychopath would worship a god who is going to send any living thing to hell for any reason. Of course there is no hell, but I remember that was my reason for walking away from the religion. Can you imagine enjoying life knowing people or anything is burning for eternity. What is wrong with those people.
catsalive1 Agree there... That was one of the major things for me too... There is no rational justification for such a place if there is an all-powerful, all-loving, and just God... All the arguments in the Bible about it and mentions of the whole reasoning behind it just blatantly rang hollow to me even at that age. Especially it seemed a huge contradiction in context of the earlier verses talking about justice being 'an eye for an eye'.. That at least makes some sense, it feels fair, punishment fitting the crime... (of course, it ends up with everyone blind, because it becomes a neverending cycle, but that's another story), but there's no way you can justify that a being can be fair and just AND punish someone (especially someone they love) FOREVER for something they did wrong, especially when the punishment is more horrible than ANYTHING that person ever could have done in life, and ESPECIALLY when you are condemning people who don't even know they did anything wrong, or condemning people just for thoughts, or condemning people literally for just being born..
You gotta love that Jephthah promises to give god whatever comes through the door when he comes home. It's not like the goat or teapot is going to be opening the door, it's a promise for a human sacrifice no matter what lol
Yes but again he's wrong in everything. Let's check the facts . 1. Where in the bible does it say the Jews are permitted to sacrifice people? I'll wait 2. Does the bible say they are not allowed to? YES Leviticus 3. Did the Jews sacrifice animals to Yahweh? YES , always animals. 4. Is "whatsoever comes out of the house" indicative of a PERSON? it could be or it could not be. Whosoever is more precise but Hebrew does not have a word for that distinction here is Hebrew for a person (read backwards) biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/31-32.htm Here is the word for whatever: biblehub.com/interlinear/leviticus/5-4.htm Jephtah clearly meant an animal but worded it poorly , since he made the promise to Yahweh then he had to make good on it...but is there a verse in the bible that says he sacrificed his daughter in a BURNT OFFERING? I don't think so .. women were handed over for work with the Levites in the Temple. Temple women could never marry hence the "virginity" story. It's all b.s. no sacrifice was ever made.
I occasionally come back to these videos, but this is the one that gives me chills at the end. The Firebird Suite helps add so much emotion to the horrific act, and now I’ll never hear it without thinking about child sacrifice. Fun stuff!
Gives me chills too, man. I remember when I was editing it together. I couldn't believe how perfectly it matched the pace of the dialogue I had written. This was before I realized that copyright actually matters on UA-cam and I had to stop just using whatever music recordings I wanted to.
The book of Judges really made me question my faith. God appeared to be a petulant child with no regard for his "chosen people" or any other living thing. Happily an atheist now.
The first time i saw this was ten years ago.. I'd always known the story of jephthah but to have that visual representation and the orchestra it brings me to tears just like the first time especially wen the angels are pleading with him to spare her.. it broke me.. its something I can't overlook.. I play like I still believe in front of my family but I'm long gone
Stravinsky's "firebird" at the end, great music. As an atheist I think it's hilarious that shit like this is in the bible. Most of it is boring as hell, but then there are these nuggets to spice things up a bit. And the song and dance the christians do to justify the shit is a huge bonus. You could not make it up.
I remember this story...my dad taught it as a "be careful what you promise to god" lesson, or some shit like that...now I realize it WOULD be a good counter when my dad made claims about how the indigenous peoples of the americas (mostly central and south america) were judged for human sacrifice, and that's why...everything happened when europe found out another continent existed... :/
Well, I would say to him that the native americans were on the same era that the old testament with its horrendous sacrifices is. Just doing shit for their aclaimed God just so nobody dies or is punished or gets "magically pregnant but still a virgin" Its almost like a fantasy book, actually, with an interesting perspective, the Bible is just a dude go mental over time and thinking he is God and some shit, like, who comes up with sacrificing the only kid of a parent TWICE, the whole throwing kids against rocks, millions of people dying to huge floods because "me angy that people bad" even though the God already knows literally everything that happens and is going to happen.
D Paxt I know it's a claim on knowledge. I just think the term causes more confusion than clarity, and I wish people would stop using it. If you don't believe in the existence of any god you should just say "I'm an athiest". Then statistics would reflect us as a group and theists couldn't use smaller figures for their arguments.
Christians like to excuse this saying it was in a time before forgiveness. They will also say that Jephthah made the offer to God. This only proves God is a Monster.
Speaking of killing babies, etc. What about the plaques against Egypt and the killing of the first born when Moses was about to leave????? How many first born babies died?????
Yeah, but that was a righteous thing to do since pharaoh refused to let his people go. Because god hardened pharaohs heart..... He obviously loves to do some killing.
...and this is perfectly acceptable to Christians because....wait for it...wait for it...."HE'S GOD AND HE CAN DO WHATEVER HE WANT TO DO!"....nuff said.
@mike derocco It most certainly is Judaism which Christianity high-jacked and used during antiquity to become relevant. Now, ya'll want no parts of it. Don't get upset with me. Go and tell it to your fellow believers. I'm not the one that needs convincing.
@@jonbenetclarke9319 Of course it's the same god but there are Christians who want to separate themselves from that part now. Their conscience can't deal with how nasty, mean, and crazy that god was so they only acknowledge the new testament. How convenient for them.
@@gq_barry 10 changes made to the bible by trey the explainer is where i think i remember seeing it. That's why i posted a question and not a statement cause i'm really not sure, sorry
I can easily say, from the videos of yours I've seen so far, this way by far the most impactful. I already wasn't a believer, but I was born and raised christian, and wow.
LMFAO I never check the verses, I always just take his word for it, but when the Psalms 137 verse came up about dashing babies' brains against rocks I was like "there's no way" so I looked that one up and sure enough xD “Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks”
Oh, so THAT'S why christians are against abortion. The doctors are just doing it wrong and thus they aren't happy/blessed (depending on the translation).
Don't know if you'll read this, but Kudos to you. Very little can make me disgusted anymore. But watching god just sit there while a man sacrificed his only daughter to him did the trick. All while angles of reason beg to be able to top it. Just... wow.
I learned of this story when I was a child, probably younger than 10 yo, and I still remember the shock and deep sadness at the unfairness and injustice of his daughter's fate.
Wow. I think this video just broke me ... I didn't know this one. And even though I love NonStampCollector's videos, and am a familiar critic of the Bible myself, this one shocked me more than any other.
In the words of the late Christopher Hitchens ''If I was told I had to gut my only child to show my faith and Obedience to God, I would say, No Fuck You''
One believer asked where it said in the bible that god actually accepted the offer. Seriously, how fokked up can someone be. Poor Jepthah, standing there next to his daughter's burnt body and mighty god says 'no, I don't want it'.
I might be the nerd one out saying this but I like the use of the firebird suite during the very last seen where the daughter is burned. A little dark but a fun classical music easter egg nonetheless
I've talked to Christians who say that Jephthah's daughter wasn't killed, but was instead given over to the temple to serve for the rest of her life. They completely gloss over the fact that it says in no uncertain terms that she was given up as a burnt offering since Jephthah "did what he had promised to the Lord." Anything to avoid the truth I guess...
Debunking Non-stamp Collector A lot of Bible sceptics accuse Scripture of portraying a God who, if He existed and did what was recorded of Him, would be deeply immoral. Many Christians struggle to answer these arguments, and some try to draw a distinction between the God of the Old Testament and the God of the New Testament to avoid these hard questions. But this approach is flawed, because the same God inspired the Old Testament and the New Testament. Indeed, both Testaments teach that God is loving and patient, but also cannot abide sin. Also, Christ Himself affirmed the Old Testament (e.g. Luke 24:44-47, John 10:35). Furthermore, it is unnecessary, because the sceptics’ attacks are based on fundamental misunderstandings. Jephthah’s Daughter. The story from Judges 11, certainly reads like he offers his daughter as a burnt offering to Lord. But when studying the biblical text and customs of the time, we find an answer that is a true account of what really happened. Jephthah vowed a vow (See Numbers 30:2) to the Lord, that whatsoever came forth of the doors of his house to meet him, when he returned… it shall surely be the Lords, and he will offer it up for a burnt offering. As non-stamp collector points out, he probably thought of a servant or maybe an animal. She was at once obedient and patriotic. A women to have no offspring was considered to be in a state of the utmost degradation among the Hebrews; but she is regardless of all this, setting her father is in safety, and her country delivered. This law therefore expressly applied in its first branch to Jephthah’s case, who had devoted his daughter to the Lord, or opened his mouth to the Lord, and therefore could not go back, as he declared grief at seeing his daughter and only child coming to meet him, she was , therefore necessarily devoted, but with her own consent to perpetual virginity in the service of the tabernacle. As the apostle Paul said in Romans 12:1, people can be offered to God as “a living sacrifice”. This may explain why his daughter responded by saying, “let this thing be done for me: leave me alone two months, that I may go up and down the mountains and weep for my virginity, I and my companions” … also it said “and it came to pass at the end of the two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. Immediately following the statement about Jephthah fulfilling his vow, we are told that his daughter “did not know a man.” If she is dead, then this information is hardly relevant, so presumably it belongs to some broader issue in the narrative. “ it was a custom in Israel, that the daughters of Israel went up yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year”. If this is the intent of the verse, that Israelite women made a pilgrimage to her every year, it explains why this apparently institutionalized practice of lamenting Jephthah’s daughter as an annual rite is never mentioned anywhere else in the Hebrew Bible. This suggests that the ritual was only institutionalized as long as she was alive; in other words, it belongs to the narratives concerning Jephthah recorded here, but we have no knowledge as to whether it became part of Israel’s holiday or ritual cycles. Also it seems as his daughter had the right to overturn her fathers vow. The Mischna or traditional law of the Jews is pointedly against it “if a Jew should devote his son or daughter, his man or maid servant, who are Hebrews, the devotement would be void, because no man can devote what is not his to own or whose life he has not the absolute disposal of.” These arguments appear to be decisive against the sacrifice, and that Jephthah could not have devoted his daughter to celibacy against her will is evident from history, and from the high estimation of Israel for her filial duty and her hapless fate, which was celebrated by a regular anniversary commemoration four days a year. Also, No father, merely by his own authority, could put the an offending much less an innocent child to death upon any account, without the sentence of the magistrate and the consent of the people. Duet 21:18-21. Some of the worst condemnation in the Bible is directed at those who sacrifice their children to Moloch (Leviticus 18:21; Jeremiah 32:34-35)-and archaeological evidence shows that these were usually infants. When the Israelites disobeyed God and sacrificed their sons and daughters, the Bible says they sacrificed them to demons (Psalm 106:37). In the Bible, human sacrifice is detestable because it falls under the category of the murder of an innocent human being, which is always condemned. In conclusion, It appears evident that Jephthah’s daughter was not sacrificed (killed), but consecrated to God and should live in a state of perpetual virginity, Jephthah’s grief being his family line was to become extinct in Israel. Jephthah is a tragic figure. His problematic origins make the restoring of his status in society crucial to him. Yet, his story ends with no chance of his handing his improved status on to his progeny, since his own vow forces his daughter into permanent celibacy as a woman consecrated to the Lord.
@@farmercraig6080 "she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed" ... his vow being a burnt offering. Just because you analysed it in a way that led you to the conclusion that you should interpret it differently from the express words written in front of you, doesn't mean that it is in any way more than an assumptive interpretation to a definitive statement. You twisted what was written and repeated by you to fit in with your idea of Biblical morality. That is not a debunk, that is you trying to rationalise the horrible parts of the Bible. This whole situation is disgusting by the way, even if he didn't kill his own daughter but had her sacrifice the remainder of her days in such a way, even though that is not what it says happened.
@@farmercraig6080 the usual long winded apologetics which ignores several key pieces including the fact his was so broken over the fact she had been the first thing he saw....talks about how humans sacrifice is detestable yet seems to forget the whole Jesus sacrifice while adding this idea the NT is the exact same as the OT derp it was even written by the same people right? Then let us also ignore numbers 31 were a whole town of people who did nothing wrong were slaughtered because a handful of jews decided to worship thier slave wives god one time....oh except the little virgin girls who were kept as sex slaves and the non virgin girls were put to the sword......oh oh oh what about the first born of egypt? Yeah those kids were really evil right? All because god hardened the pharoahs heart so he would not let the jews go so how many innocent kids who had no choice in the matter die? You say this shit about it being detestable to kill innocents but in the bible children are slaughtered left and right fuck the towns of Sodom and Gamorrah, not to even touch the lie that god promised to look for good souls in Gamorrah but never even checked appearently children in said towns were also evil even the new borns right? The thing I hate most about apologetics like this is they pick a point and go with it while ducking and dodging anything that would be used against thier point. Completly ignore all parts in which god had even offered a mans wives to be raped infront of him because morality? Seriously the fuck is wrong with you for even attempting to defend a book that says slavery is ok raped women have to marry thier rapists and it's ok to kill gays and people who wear the wrong clothes? Shit not only does it say it's ok but it's your moral duty and the whole town needs to get in on it. Oh and if he is so distraught over not having grand kids you think maybe he could just i dunno have another kid or two? Hell you guys are so hung up on adoption he could do that too.........Like i said shitty apologetics.
The explanation for his "broken" state is covered in my rebuttal. All the rest of your reply, is off topic. But I am working on a reply to non stamp collectors slavery videos. Might see you there. @@danielessex2162
@@farmercraig6080 TL:DR; Debunking Farmer Craig: Jepthah's story involved a burnt offering. Actually... No. According to the actual Hebrew version, the original writing... The word "olah" means "burnt sacrifice". God used it with Abraham when he was about to sacrifice Issac and was stopped... It ALSO appeared in the story of Jephthah. It literally says "ve ha ali'tahu olah", as in "offer it as a burnt offering". This is the original version. Ask any Jew who still speaks Hebrew and they will translate it. They don't buy into your theory that you just gave. According to the ACTUAL ORIGINAL HEBREW text... The daughter was literally burned. She didn't get offered as a "living sacrifice". She was a "burnt offering". Not to mention, it's been refuted multiple times online and even early Christians didn't buy into trying to refute that she wasn't killed. And as much as Christian debaters love to quote Flavius Josephus, it's quoted by him "he sacrificed his daughter as a burnt offering: offering such as oblation as was neither conformable to the law, nor acceptable to God; not weighing with himself what opinion the hearers would have of such a practice. Jepthah sacrificed his daughter.". So yeah, that's just you making an unjust claim against what historians already notarized centuries ago. Jews didn't and don't buy into it as in the first 1000 years of translation, it was UNANIMOUSLY interpreted text that Jephtah killed his daughter. Early Christians didn't buy into that claim - famous interpreters, bishops and priests such as Origin, John Chrysostom, Augustine, Martin Luther, John Calvin and Aurelius Ambrosius also state that he indeed burnt his daughter for YHWH as a sacrifice. And early historians recorded the fact that relatively no one bought into these claims that he just "offered up her virginity" as a way of making up for not murdering her. Granted it (the chance of having your virginity sealed) is written in LATER STORIES, centuries after this event that the barbaric nature of the old worlds toned down a bit and it was more symbolic for "nuns" to be a thing. Sure. I can buy that, considering it was a much later time period after this story was issued... But there's no need for "the custom in Israel that the daughters of Israel lament the daughter of Jephtah four days of the year" if she was just a to be a celibate woman. I mean, have you ever lamented over a group of nuns before, 4 days out of the 365 days in a year just because they will never have sex? I don't think so...
This story is a rip-off of The myth of Idomeneus of Crete... but unlike Yahweh, the Greek gods got angry by the sacrifice of his own son and punished him sending a plage over Crete. Apologist may say it's just a fake greek story inserted in the Bible... but since there are many more biblical stories "inspired" by previous religions (like the flood story or all the stuff taken from Zoroastrism), they should start considering maybe there isn't any true stories inside that book.
@@judahlopatin9733 I haven't seen those commentaries you mentioned, but as far as I know no plague happens afterwards, in the next chapter he defeats and kills the Ephraimites and reigns for 6 years until his unspecified death. There's no mention of god being angry with him: His vow to god is apparently rewarded with huge military victories before and after the sacrifice of his daughter instead of the horrible punishment you would expect seconds after killing her. God has killed hundreds for lesser offenses in the Old Testament, he would not have won if his vow offended him. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the next and last time his name appears in the bible is in the Epistle to the Hebrews 11:32, where is commended for his faith instead of being condemned by his murder. Edit:typo.
@@Espadasilenciosa You are absolutely correct, and I don't know why it is not written explicitly in the text that he was punished. I have speculations, but I agree it probably should have been written explicitly. See Rashi Judges 11:39 who analyzes the verse later on in 12:7, "And [Jephthah] was buried in the cities of Gilad," to mean that he was buried in more than one place, which alludes to the fact that, as punishment, his limbs fell off. In addition (this is not mentioned in Rashi, but I think it is interesting to note) it is Jewish practice to be buried in one place, even if one's limbs are separated. See, for example, that Israel tries to find fallen soldier's limbs (to the best of their ability) because this is a great idea in Judaism. So you see that it is more than just a physical punishment of pain because his limbs fell off, but also a spiritual punishment. Also, I'm not certain that it is because of his vow that he merited to have such great victories. Clearly not before the completion of the vow as Rashi explains that he could have annulled it. It could have been that it was because of the merits of Israel's prayers that they deserved these military victories, and Jephthah was simply the vehicle through which this salvation happened. What lesser offenses? I don't think we can know what is a lesser or greater offense. I don't know if that's the next and last time (after chapter 12 because he is mentioned there), but being Jewish I don't hold the Epistle to the Hebrews to be part of the Bible.
@@judahlopatin9733 I think that interpretation is too benevolent and requires assumptions outside the canonical texts. -->Other different translations of Judges 12:7 say he was buried in "one of the cities". If those are correct, Jephthah never lost his limbs nor was dishonorably buried, therefore no traces of divine punishment. It they're wrong and yours is right, there might be alternative explanations like him being the victim of human enemies or a true divine punishment for an completely different, unwritten offense done years later. That would explain why had more victories and 6 years reign after an immoral human sacrifice instead of being cursed/killed immediately after. -->I reaffirm the battle before the completion of the vow had divine intervention: Judges 11:29 "Then the Spirit of the LORD came upon Jephthah, and he passed through Gilead and Manasseh, then through Mizpah of Gilead. And from there he advanced against the Ammonites." 11:32 "So Jephthah crossed over to the Ammonites to fight against them, and the LORD delivered them into his hand" -->Breaking vows and promises is forbidden in several verses of the Bible (quick search: Numbers 30:2, Ecclesiastes 5:4-5 ): To be fair, I read some exceptions (if you're a woman your father/husband can null it only the day of the vow/the day they found out). If the vow could be broken without reprisal, Jephthah clearly didn't know and God didn't bother to send an angel to tell him (like with Abraham) or a goat ahead of his daughter (he gave Abraham the same substitute for Isaac), despite his spirit being with the israel chief the day of his vow. -->Regarding the lesser offenses with greater punishments in the Old Testament... punctual blasphemy or mere rudeness is a lesser deal than literal assassinations. God (usually) abhors human sacrifices and several times used them as examples of the evil of other people (Deuteronomy 12:31, 18:10, 2 Kings 21:6, Leviticus 18:21,Jeremiah 7:31...). Doing one in his name would be the ultimate offense since that would violate the Sixth Commandment and many other laws. Plus, associating His name with such disgusting act would be the ultimate blasphemy... ...even so, in this story God allowed it at best (without explicit punishment) or rewarded it at worst... but, as I said, all this is probably a greek myth absorbed by Judaism, incoherence is not unexpected. Let's return to the lesser offenses. Example number 1 in Numbers 21:5-> the people of Israel who was traveling through the desert complaint to Moises and God about being thirty and the tasteless food. Mere words of adults and kids exhausted and scared of dying there. The all loving God responded by sending venomous snakes to kill them. Even after those people repented and prayed, the snakes kept attacking them. God told them to build a bronze snake and look at it each time they were bitten to survive. It would be easier to make the snakes disappear, but I guess god wanted them to suffer more. Another example: 2 Kings 2:23 Offense: A group of little boys name-calling the prophet Elisha (they called him "bald") Punishment: After the prophet cursed them in the name of the Lord, she-bears came out of the woods and tore forty-two of the boys apart. Excessive? Yes. By a lot. And it wasn't even a blasphemy directed to god, only to a prophet. Name-calling prophets
Would a "Christian" actually read and think and understand? This is really excellent work. I tried to discuss some of the more obvious verses to a pair of people sent to "bring me back" but they refused to actually acknowledge the existence of such heinous cruelty, this from the "god of love"
It's astounding. Now matter how obviously and objectively awful something is, they will find a way to defend it, and they cannot, at all, see how crazy that appears.
Seems there are 2 responses to this story. 1. Wow, wasn't it foolish of Jephthah to make a promise like that? While it was good he was faithful to his promise to God, we should always remember not to make dangerous promises! Now, how about a different Bible story? 2. She totally didn't die, she just became a nun. Only evil atheists trying to attack God say she died.
0:54 This vid hits a little harder these days. Not like it didn't 14 years ago. Or 75 for that matter. Though of course, those cities mentioned actually _do_ have people still in them - only in the propaganda were the genocides of old so effective as to justify the genocides of today
these videos are making me feel kinda sorry for my friends who are named after biblical people, I mean they believe in this stuff, but I feel bad for them.
Ezekiel 9:5-6 As I listened, he said to the others, “Follow him through the city and kill, without showing pity or compassion. 6 Slaughter the old men, the young men and women, the mothers and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark. Begin at my sanctuary.” So they began with the old men who were in front of the temple.
Why didn't God intervene to stop the sacrifice of a young girl? Well... that's it, she was a girl & as such, she had no worth. And just to make a point how little value she had, why is it the bible doesn't mention her name? What little concern was shown for that girl was she will die a virgin. So... it that may explain, why would God waste his time saving a girl?
Yeah. The Bible LITERALLY calls women property. But oh, God would have stopped it if it was his son! After all, he doesn't believe in sacrificing people, just property like cattle, slaves, and women!
I had forgotten about the story in the Bible. With all the scripture you guys quoted along with what I know in scripture and what it has to say I finally came to my decision to throw out my Bibles and disregard anything I know about a Jewish or Christian God ever again. This is the biggest hypocrisy there is in what they call Holy Scripture. I'm so sorry I believed in any of this crap. If there is a creator then I bet nothing any man has ever concocted about him is true at all. Thank you for making this animation it helped me to make my decision that all organized religions are full of SHIT. And in words of Lewis Black FUCK I've got to start all over again.!
@@halebopp4747 not very wise of you to assume that no one has ever read the Bible other than yourself. I can read in two languages the second language I taught myself Hebrew. Anybody who could read the Bible and not see the nonsense probably doesn't read it at all and only swallows whatever their pastor says from behind his pulpit. And that's why you don't know very much
4:18 This channel is awesome, but you make this mistake in several videos. Nowhere in Numbers 31 says they killed virgins, they used them as sex slaves. They killed the non virgins. Witch makes it all fine, of course lol.
No gods followers don’t explain his justification they just say “I don’t know his reasons but I have faith in his reasons” hence sustaining my and other atheist’s beliefs that the god of the bible is not real and as a fictional character is a villain. If he is up there he should stop threatening us with eternity of torture and threaten those followers that let him down.
As an atheist with no morals I see nothing wrong with this
Hahaha! They're argument used against them.
An atheist wouldn’t say they don’t have morals. They would say they have morals that are not made by a god. The idea is that you don’t need a god to have morals. Just civilization. (Edit for clarity, a typical atheist wouldn’t say they have no morals, as pointed out being atheist only means we agree on one thing: there is no god)
auston rozenberg haha
Actually as an Atheist I still follow the Old Testament for medical knowledge as I am a cherry picking smart dude like one time my dog had a hurt leg so I dumped goat blood on her and did a sacrificial dance as I killed my family
@@baileyduvall01 An atheist nihilist is entirely possible, but very, very atypical
That's why killing a lot of people in games means *GODLIKE*
That is horrifyingly accurate.
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Oh my god you didnt
Double kill!!!
Dominating!!!
Holy sh**!!!
M-m-m-monster kill!!!
Godlike!!!
"Kill a one person, and you are the murderer. Kill a million of people, and you are the king conqueror hero. Kill them all (everyone, all life, all beings), and you're a God.".........
This is one of the many Bible stories that they conveniently forgot to teach in church.
***** That one too, and the one where God personally orders an entire congregation to stone a man to death for working on the Sabbath.
***** And let's not forget the one that says that slaves must be obedient to their masters, even the harsh ones. The same verse that was also used by Southern slave owners to justify slavery.
***** Agreed.
I know--I've heard this plot before, but I thought it was a Greek myth or a story from Shakespeare. I didn't know until this year that it was from the Wholly BuyBull.
Damn, they hated me in Sunday school. I had so many questions about the damn flood and the logistics. But the rainbow thing was baffling. I was wondering how light refraction worked before God altered the laws of physics to put a reminder to himself to not murder most of the global population again. I had all these questions, but I still didn't totally disbelieve yet. They were trying to make things up to answer me, but they only caused more questions and they just wanted to get to the next story.
Yes, Gods always seems to have an identical moral outlook to the society that creates them.
Yes, because the god is always a puppet in the hands of the religious leader. The leader holds the strings and the people don't know it.
louis tournas exactly
Perfect point.
Its so true, and maybe we wouldn't hate religion so much if they just made up a new book with a new God who believed in things like freedom and basic human rights... Oh wait we do have that, Its GOERGE WASHINGTON and the Constitution of AMERICA, hell yea ;)
@@jonathanbauer2988 Yes a slave owner...
"Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks"
- Psalm 137:9.
^ Proof that God is pro-choice.
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He was talking about Babylonian children, not one's own children. People keep quoting this out of context.
Miguel Aveiro so its ok if its Babylonian children?
Well, sure, the less Babylonians the better!
Seriously though, it gets quoted out of context, but knowing what it refers to doesn't make it any more ethical.
I was a Christian, born into it. I heard every story in the book. I read almost the entire Bible. I cannot believe I never heard of or read this story for myself. I am no longer a believer but this still shocked me. I looked it up for myself thinking maybe it was taken out of context or something.. it wasn't.
Christians are trained and brought up with the good stories. Encouraged to memorize verses that make Christianity to look positive. I was told that the Bible is infallible. (I was also told not to ask too many questions.. literally told that straight up).
Anyways I still feel deceived. Good on you for making these videos. They are very helpful to me. It makes me more sure in my decision to renounce my belief in God.
I read the bible too. Cover to cover. That book was not long after dumped at the landfill transfer station fate unknown.
I don't remember reading this story. I was just so bored trying to get through all the nuanced laws and genocide descriptions and begats. Plus being in high school I must have had cognitive dissonance when encountering all that crap in contrast to what the focused passages of the New Testament say.
I had heard of this story before when i was a child. We had this childrens book that had pictures in it an all. Thi story was there too so i vividly remember what i thought about it...
I actually thought that she was sent to something like a monastery tbh. When they say She is yahwehs, i thought from that day on she served her as a priestess. So this shocked me a lot as well..
God damn.. Childhood ruined again :D and they had this story in a CHİLDS BOOK WİTH PİCTURES!!!
No pictures of a human sacrifices of course BUT STİLL WTF?
Most religions just focus on the scriptures that support their ideals and ignore the rest and most believers don't read the entire book to discover all the contradictions. Once they do, they are usually done.
I was a Jehovah's Witness and I remember asking about this story and the explanation the J Dubs gave was well, since Jehovah is going to resurrect everyone to a paradise earth (they don't believe you go to heaven when you die) that it was ok because now the sacrificed daughter will be magically brought back to life in an edenic world and won't remember her traumatic death. So it's ok! Sigh...the sad part is I went along with this crap for a long time.
Yep, that's basically what they believe. And only a pretty sadistic God would use that as an excuse to torture his creations.
its funny because Christians today actually try to explain how this was perfectly acceptable, there's always a hidden meaning and a "context" that makes everything okay.
mike derocco Christianity stems from Judaism and as such they share the Old Testament
mike derocco I mean they really kind of the same. I get theirs a difference but it not much.
mike derocco I’m trying to have a discussion here. Your anger confounds me. Also what are you on about? Studying, reading and writing? Huh?
mike derocco You can’t have one without the other. You say Jews wrote those books but they’re writing about the same God. When Jesus came to spread his word, he didn’t just his reset - he was a Jew. He went to the synagogue and promoted Old Testament laws. If you deny the Old Testament then you also have to cancel out the so called “prophecies” which defend the legitimacy of Jesus as the son of God.
@mike derocco visit Matthew 5:18-20. These verses bind the NT to the OT, while stating that we need a deeper understanding of the laws beyond the scribes and Pharisees. Jesus makes a blanket statement that doesn't really resolve the moral problems of the OT.
"Go know yourself." That was priceless.
VampireDucks Mother knowing awesome.
VampireDucks eyup
THAT IS A LIE, IN THE TORAH IT WAS PROHIBIT SACRFICE, KILL, MURDER A PERSON. THE SACRIFICE WAS TO PAY IN SILVER A PRICE. SHE MUST KEPT VIRGIN. THAT IS A MESSAGE FOR NOW-A-DAYS, THE WOMAN =KEHILA MAINTAIN VIRGIN TO MEET YHWH IN THE 3RD HEAVENS. SERVE IN THE TEMPLE FOR REST OF HER LIFE. . YOU MUST BE AWARE OF LIE=SIN=SHEOL !!!!
Knowing brilliant!!
@@eloishashalom1458 yeah can we get back to reality now?
Anybody else watched this through and felt sick to their stomachs despite already knowing the story?
+Rob Sylvester Fuck, yes. How can people try to excuse this god and worship him?
I had never heard the story but I was getting sick to my stomach.
It's all pretty terrible stuff what this religion is propped up on. Start to finish really.
It's the way NonStampCollector presented the story. I especially liked how the two angels pleaded with the lord to send them down to save the girl, then displaying their reaction as God lets her die.
Now one can understand why many mass murdering white nationalists view having a sense of empathy as a weakness...
I’ve heard apologists claim that she wasn’t literally sacrificed but that she remained a virgin and never married.
This is an evil story. I remember hearing it as a child and my mother trying to come up with excuses for "god".
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After Jephthah killed the Ammonites, he killed the Trilobites.
***** Three people in the world have been geeky enough to get that joke.
Lol!!!
tyler laird Four.
Docktor Jim I wish someone would take those fuckers out. There's like 40 trillion of them... or something. ; )
rationalmuscle They're all dead now. I saw one in a museum yesterday. It was deader'n shit.
This particular story was the one that broke my mind free of religious apologia. It was a men's morning study before service, and this story was the opening verse, and... we NEVER got past the premise. There was a whole lesson crafted around making promises to God, but I took a stand there and ran it into the ground with question after morally-infuriated question. And man, I lost a lot (if not all) of the respect I had for these paragons of faith who showed me just how well they had trained their tongue to tap dance. I will never forget how my moral compass hit the brakes so hard it sent my copilot Jesus crashing through my rose-tinted windshield.
It took 8 years of indoctrination and worship before I heard this disgusting story, another 5 after it to completely rewire my brain. Better late than never I guess.
Tap dance? Haha trying to imagine that had me rolling😂😂 those bastards are the devil's incarnate
" (I) hit the brakes so hard it sent my copilot Jesus crashing through my rose-tinted windshield." I loved that phrase! LOL
"Don't make promises to God" is a ridiculous reading. Judges is a book about how far Israel had fallen, how little they knew of God, and it says this explicitly multiple times. Sounds like your Bible study group was trying to excuse the judges' behaviour, you were right to draw a line
@@a.i.l1074 No, they were trying to excuse God's behavior, or rationalize it by pumping it full of enough apologetics and then squeeze a drop of apparently-righteous judgment from their patron deity. For me, even that tiny spurt of "ethics" or "morality" that they tried to make sound godly just came off as mental gymnastics that still resulted in unjustifiable cruelty.
@@a.i.l1074 Then why is Yahweh rewarding them for falling into barbarity? Why is God making deals to help a man murder an entire town and asking for a human sacrifice? The power of motivated reasoning and fear of eternal torment to make people believe ridiculous things.
I once anonymously described God to a psychotherapist acquaintance of mine. In short, the psychotherapist labeled God as a narcissistic, schizophrenic, sociopath. A real manipulative, unstable monster… Then I told her who I was describing and all the freaking excuses came out.
Lmaooooo I'm gonna try this sometime in the future.
Edit:
Wait, narcissist, schizophrenic, and a sociopath?.... Yeah that goes to r/thathappened I don't think these can coexist in one psyche...
I'll still try this tho.
@@edgeisloveedgeislife5439 Multiple Personality Syndrome too! That way all psyches could exist in the same body.
Raspian the Right Wing Guy I think sociopathy has some neurological grounding so it still wouldn't make sense, I mean theoretically I think this combo isn't entirely unplausable but it is very unlikely.
"Schizophrenic" and "sociopath" both are mental illnesses than cannot be diagnosed based on a person's description. No psychotherapist would ever label anyone as such after only listening to a few of the things he supposedly has done. Also, "unstable monster" isn't something that anyone related to psychology would say as a diagnosis. Your story is about as fake as religion.
What if God is just an overpowered Man-child with retardation and inferiority complex?
Let's be honest here, sometimes God is actually something that should be seen with pure pity and nothing more.
I found the moment where he was about to kill her very moving. And her screams heart wrenching.
Voluntaryist Its even more frightening when you remind yourself that this shit really happened...
@@unicockboy1666 ...But did it?
@@DeadmanDave does that make your god sinful and evil then?
@@DeadmanDave God could've stopped him easily, what a load of bullshit
@@DeadmanDave Really? Where does it say that?
I suspect what you mean is the *you* realise this was an act of monstrous barbarity and you have superimposed your sense of morality onto God and come up with a justification which simply isn't written there.
So much for getting our morals from god. More commonly I see people superimposing their own morality on God to try to excuse the inexcusable.
This was actually one of the stories that made me an atheist.
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Holy fucking shit, do you really think anyone is going to sit here and read this novel you vomited out? You must think very highly of yourself.
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I didn't say that. I'm saying that you ramble on and on about nonsense and its paragraphs worth, nobody is going to read it. You want to make a point, learn to abridge.
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I'm fine with that. And it has nothing to do with my willingness or unwillingness to learn. I just have a low tolerance for people who are self righteous. And also for stupidity.
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Oh I'm outright insulting you, nothing subversive about it. I called you self-righteous and stupid. flat out. I don't see anything subversive at all, unless your borderline illiterate.
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Yes, it is a waste of your time. And for not caring, you sure seem to care an awful lot. Also, if you want to convince me that your literate, try to not use so many grammatical errors next time. And since your the one trying to force a viewpoint on me, perhaps I'm justified in calling you a "theocratic Nazi."
Also, oversimplified is NOT a synonym to the word abridged. Better learn some English, oh "prestigious" one. Lastly, a hypocrite is someone who says one thing and does another. I have done no such thing. Might want to purchase a dictionary in addition to a thesaurus.
Grew up evangelical, and amazingly they DID mention this story in church, and they DIDN'T falsify the ending, but the lesson was always that you shouldn't make a rash promise. That's it. They never pointed out:
1. in verse 29 that "the Spirit of the LORD came upon Jephthah," meaning that he was acting under divine inspiration when he made this vow one verse later (so God inspired the rash, evil vow? the same way that he hardened the hearts of the Egyptians so he had cause to punish them later?)
2. that if God had intervened with Abraham and Isaac he could have easily intervened here, but didn't... which doesn't make sense, since if the vow was apparently made under the influence of "the Spirit of the LORD," then why wasn't he just setting up a lesson the whole time?, and
3. If the point was to teach Jephthah not to make a rash promise, why didn't God transfer some kind of penance or punishment to HIM and spare his daughter? And why, after this and killing 42,000 more Israelites later, did Jephthah make the faith hall of fame in Hebrews 11?
I've been voraciously watching this channel over the past couple days and loving what I'm seeing (albeit a decade late), but this video shook me deeply. Who knew MSPaint could render violence so horrifyingly? But it's necessary. The storytelling here and throughout the other videos is top-notch, in addition to the depth of research and argument. Thank you for making what you've made here, NonStampCollector. This one didn't just reach my brain. It pierced my heart.
Yes if you read the bible you will see most of the evil acts are by God. Even other bad actors like Pharaoh etc are just being mind controlled by God to act evil.
I was taught the same as a catholic.
Even as a kid this bothered me to no end, even if they kept saying, "no but you see, it's jeptah's fault!"
If this story teaches anything it's that apparently keeping your word on a stupid bet is more valuable than the life if your own daughter.
You asked great questions, and I will try to answer them as best as I can.
1. This is actually an incredibly interesting question. I guess what I would answer is that the promise itself was not wicked. That is, if a sheep came out of his house then there would have been no issue with the promise. So it doesn't matter if God even told outright him to make this promise. Indeed, he was permitted to annul the vow (see Rashi 11:39), but it was because of his own arrogance that he didn't. He did not have the Spirit of the LORD when he refused to annul the vow.
2. God is by definition unknowable so we can't know why God does what God does, or why God doesn't what God doesn't. We can never compare two cases and demand why God didn't act in the same way in both cases. We can ask and try to learn from what God did, but we can't challenge God. Indeed, there is an infinite number of unknowable factors that go into every situation so you can never compare two cases in the first place. That being so, the Abraham-Isaac almost-sacrifice is extremely different than this case in a number of clear ways.
3. So I think that what you asked in your question (1) offers a new insight into the text that I never knew before. Why would God encourage this oath? The answer is to teach Jephthah (and us) not to make rash promises because we don't know how they might turn out. That being said, as I wrote above, he could have annulled his vow. Thus, he would have gotten the lesson, and his daughter would not have been killed. Indeed, it was HIS fault that he followed through with the oath. He wasn't punished or killed before the end of his judge career because he still had what to do in order to save the Israelite people. But the commentators teach us (See Rashi there) that he was severely punished -- both physically, spiritually, and perhaps even losing his chance of resurrection -- when he died.
I hope these answer your questions.
@@judahlopatin9733 Nope. You don't get to claim that the bible is infallible and literal, then cite some extra-biblical source to justify this sick, murderous torture porn. Last time I checked, it's called "Christianity," not "Rashianity," and if you knew a GD thing about the bible, you'd know that the claim that Jephthat could lose his "chance of resurrection" is not remotely biblical. I get it. It's a horrible story that the primitive savages who actually wrote your so called "holy book" should have been wise enough to edit out. They didn't, so you have to use whatever mendacious, intellectually reprehensible crap you can to weasel out of defending the indefensible. Epic fail!
@@dennisdale6404 Hey, Dennis! First of all, I just want to say that I am Jewish, so I am defending the Jewish faith and not the Christian faith. So I don't believe in "Christianity" OR "Rashianity." :) Are you familiar with the way that Jews understand the Bible? Basically, there are two "Torahs:" the "Written Torah" (the Old Testament) and the "Oral Torah" (everything else, including the Talmud, Midrash, and the rest of Jewish tradition and law). We believe that they are both interconnected and given at Sinai, and one cannot be understood without the other. So Rashi's comments (being as they are primarily based on Midrash and Talmud), are part of the Oral Torah and therefore are a part of Jewish canon. Does that make sense?
I don't think I claimed that the Bible is literal...if I did, I would take it back, as it doesn't seem to be a Jewish belief.
Are you Jewish or Christian? I noticed that you wrote "GD" as opposed to "God," and you seem to know a good deal about the Bible, at least enough to know that what I said about Resurrection was wrong. :) To tell you the truth, there is nothing "Biblical" about Resurrection as it is never mentioned (explicitly) in the Written Torah! (I can't claim anything about the New Testament, as I don't hold it to be canon.) So when we are discussing Resurrection (in the Jewish faith) we are talking about the Oral Torah.
I must say that I cannot claim to know everything about Resurrection or the World to Come -- no one has gone and lived to tell the tale -- but there are a couple things that I have heard that may or may not be true. One thing was that one cannot be resurrected if their limbs are not buried together. Now, certainly this principle does not apply if limbs were missing, or it was impossible to find them (like someone who was killed in action, God forbid, and his limbs were blasted), etc., but if I was the cause of my limbs not being buried together, so maybe this principle would apply. In addition, it stands to reason according to what I have seen that someone who commits such an awful crime as to sacrifice their child -- especially out of arrogance (the worst trait a person can have) -- would not necessarily get a chance at Resurrection, so Jephthah would not necessarily get the chance. Again, I have not seen this anywhere in the Talmud or in any Jewish literature -- I have only heard it -- so that's why I said "perhaps" even losing his chance of resurrection.
If I may ask a question of you, I was wondering -- if you thought that the Bible was not written by God, so why would the writers not take this story out? Or at least, as it was passed down for the past 2000+ years, why did no one think to remove it from the literature? I think that if it was "indefensible" then someone would have thought to remove it...
I like how you ended that with "Epic fail!" :) I think it ended your otherwise heavy comment on a light note. I hope I answered your questions. Please let me know if I didn't or if there's something that still requires clarification! Have a great week!
There is a reason why after I read Judges for my discipleship program I began questioning God’s love. I attribute this crazy, bloody, absolutely insane book as the reason why I began the long, long road to deconverting.
God's face when the angels are trying to get him to send them to stop the sacrifice cracks me up. Like, "Nope, I'm gettin' this one. I don't gotta say shit."
“I don’t value things like that!
Not yet anyway”
This is too good 😌
it never changed. jesus was a human sacrifice. then revelation.
The best part about this is that NonStamp gave humanity to Jephthah, he could have depicted him like an inhuman savage. I think that helps drive the point home how immoral God is compared to humans because at the very least Jephthah seemed torn up.
Of course that still doesnt detract from the fact that Jephthah is a murderous, child killing, fucktard.
The fact that Jephthah offered up a human sacrifice says that this was something God sometimes demanded and was culturally accepted. It makes me think how many children had to die for some imaginary man in the sky.
I love the fact that you said "torn up". I literally laughed out loud because the commentators explain that God actually condemned what happened, and therefore punished Jephthah severely. Literally by "tearing him up"!
But anyway, I think that this is one of the central problems of the video: NSC depicts Jephthah as too human and good. But in reality, it was Jephthah who made the oath. Not God. And God actually offered an opportunity for Jephthah to annul his vow and Jephthah was too arrogant to accept it. He was severely punished for this.
@ Hey, Arjun again! Sorry, I don't understand your point -- is that in support of my point or against it?
Imagine your daughter came home from a trip to a the Amazon and said "I have joined a human sacrifice cult in Brazil." Parents would faint dead away, but somehow they don't notice that is what Christianity is.
mike derocco the Old Testament is the basis of Christianity and represent the same god
And they tell you the new testament is better, but in that book human sacrifice is actually the main storyline.
Brazil mentioned.
"Human sacrifice cult in Brazil" is called "Governo Federal" around here.
I am learning more about the bible from these Microsoft Paint animations than I did through a childhood and teenhood of competitive bible quizzing, summer camps, Church, and personal devotional times.
"You can go know yourself" HAHAHAHAHAH
There is always the great "Go forth and multiply" too.
I don't get it ;-;
In biblical lingo to know someone is to have intercourse with them.
Anony mouse exactly
That was awesome!
What a lovely story. I'm inspired to go to church and give them money, and pray to the Christian god and tell him how wonderful he is.
Now you are getting it.
To have that beautiful knowing and comfort in ones heart that God is real is a Beautiful thing but having a labotomy is too high a price.
“Not just the men, but the women and children too.”
Watching this 2 years later and realizing that NSC is actually a Prequel Memer
A surprise to be sure but a welcome one
The fact that any christian apologist would even attempt to say this needs to be seen in context is repulsive.
@@DeadmanDave So, is the fact it's unforgivable the reason your god hasn't even bothered to _try_ apologizing for masterminding said atrocity? Personally, I'd still like to hear what it has to say for itself.
@@TagSpamCop First of all, God didn't mastermind it. Secondly, what sort of apology do you want? In the very same verse it is written, "And it became a law in Israel." The commentators explain that this means that no one should ever make this sort of oath again and presumably who should go to whom in a Judge / High Priest conflict.
@@judahlopatin9733 *First of all, God didn't mastermind it.*
Yes he did, he is omnipotent according to immoral losers like you;)
@@judahlopatin9733 why are you obsessed with human sacrifice ? Why sacrifice Jesus?
@@tgstudio85 Hi, so sorry! I didn’t see this. Yes, God is Omnipotent, but we also have free will.
In the words of Stan Marsh from South Park, "Holy shit, dude."
Undisclosed Username lol?
Brutally honest . More evidence the bible is a silly book.
patrickweldon1 yeah
THAT IS A LIE, IN THE TORAH IT WAS PROHIBIT SACRFICE, KILL, MURDER A PERSON. THE SACRIFICE WAS TO PAY IN SILVER A PRICE. SHE MUST KEPT VIRGIN. THAT IS A MESSAGE FOR NOW-A-DAYS, THE WOMAN =KEHILA MAINTAIN VIRGIN TO MEET YHWH IN THE 3RD HEAVENS. SERVE IN THE "TEMPLE" (HEAVENS)FOR REST OF HER LIFE. . LIE=SIN=SHEOL !!!!
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what?
Bearded Emperor Your speaking nothing but truth brother Beard
@@beardedemperor legend
The story of Abraham almost killing Isaac really did a number on me as a kid. I am greatful that I learnt about this story as an adult cause I can't imagine how this would have affected me back then.
Do you know how christians defend this story tho? It's hysterical: The last verses talk about how she never slept with a man and "then her father fulfilled his promise"
which doesn't explicitly say that she died. Wow what a great defense. I saw someone claim here in the comment section that she didn't die and just became a nun, which is nowhere in the text, and I checked the latin and hebrew version
Best I’ve heard is they burnt offering was translated wrong despite it being the same translation for other parts they accept that interpretation of
All the focus is on the death of the daughter. What about the Ammonites who were just minding their own business?
Roedy Green because of the human sacrifice element, we are all used to god making huge wars, but the Christians like to say god would never condone human sacrifice, and also use it as the excuse god had to kill all those other tribes anyway
***** or god needing to sacrifice himself to himself to forgive sin, he couldn't do it by himself, he needed a blood sacrifice
Because killing your own child is much worse than killing others.
NSC called it butchery and slaughter, just to put the act of killing them into context.
Though if it was me that made that cartoon, when yahweh was considering the offer, I would have taken omniscience into account…
And this is the God Christians worship Sunday after Sunday after Sunday. It blows my mind.
Surely anyone who knowingly chooses to worship evil IS evil? If a person has read the Bible and knows of the evil that god has ordered, or done himself, and continues to worship him, then surely that person is worshipping evil - and therefore evil basically evil, because he/she actually approves of everything Yahweh is responsible for? I applaud anyone with the courage to point out the parts that they forgot to teach us in church and/or Sunday school.
Psalm 84 :11 For the Lord God is a sun 🌞
John 8 :12 I am the Light of the world🌞
Malachi 4:2 Sun of righteousness 🌞
That's why they put a picture of the Sun on some the Bibles instead of a drawing of Jesus.
The Old Testmement was written in Hebrew, Hebrew word for Sun is Shemash, Shemash was the Sun-God of the Sumerians and the Babylonians in 2,100 BC.
That's why Christians worship on a SUNday🌞, they worship a ancient Sun-God and don't even know it🤣
This is why l could never be a Christian; l'm too moral.
Riff McClavin Same here I will never go back to Christianity again. They keep using the old testament card but Jesus said "I'm not here to abolish the law but, to fulfill it". Yes the old testament is part of the new one.
mike derocco Same book. Judaism is just as disgusting as Christianity but since they don’t believe in the New Testament, they’re marginally less hypocritical. The early Christians worshipped this same God.
@@DeadmanDave The bible says that Jephthah worked rightousness. He is clearly revered by the author of Hebrews:
Hebrews 11:32-33
And what more shall I say? For the time would fail me to tell of Gideon and Barak and Samson and Jephthah, also of David and Samuel and the prophets:
who through faith subdued kingdoms, worked righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,
@@DeadmanDave The Jewish tradition also admonishes Jephthah for his actions, and it holds that God did as well.
The music, God's "speaking silence", the "I am sorry" and then the screaming...the sacrifice part of that video sent chills down my spine. For real, that was...speaking...
"They were evil babies who deserved it" lol. This line made me want to cry. When I was trying to explain to my Christian aunt how god is evil, and used Exodus as an example, she actually did say "Well, we don't know the babies didn't deserve it." I wish she was joking. I wish I was exaggerating. But I'm not. And that's the way it is where I live, in Bible Belt America. It's nice to be able to get online and see that other people understand how ridiculous this is. Keep making videos!
the "I'm so sorry" at 8:55 actually managed to be really heartbreaking despite being a cartoon. How could anyone watch this and then imagine themselves in Jepthah's place and think "yes I would plunge the knife into my loved one's heart as they beg for mercy"?
wow... uhhh just read Judges 11 -- none of this is out of context. never heard this story before despite 18 years in the church. Good on you for making these.
Her killing by the her own father is so much downplayed in Bible , But when its presented with visual and sound effect as what would happen if it was really conducted , it gives shiver down the spine and U wonder WTF !
what else would you expect from the book that Adolf Hitler got his morals from?
Hitler was an atheist! He got his moral philosophy from his atheism. If Hitler was a bible believer, which he wasn't, he'd have been a paragon of morality! Atheists, like Hitler, as we all know, only want to sin and so reject God, like Hitler.
Silly boy
Tom Riddle he wasnt though
Genocide is a recurring biblical theme... he just turned it around on the ones that once justified it.
Tom Riddle begone troll
Stainsteel0 mein kampf?
tis brought a tear to my eye for jepath daughter and whenthe angel pleaded to save her
Dominick john yeahhh
When he said that smashing children to rocks was a source of happiness I went like "wtf?" Then I HAD to google Psalm 137:9: "Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks." The bible never ceases to amaze me...
Just don't do the dashing on a Sunday. Yowee doesn't like it when he is disobeyed!! Oh yeah, don't eat shellfish either!
A more questioning type of Christian book, The Case Against God, acknowledged lost-it bad human emotion as the author of that psalm.
I think you spelled "appall" incorrectly. There are no "m"s or "z"s in it...
@@mrcurly1147 I think killing is an acceptable act on a Sunday -Numbers 15:32-36. God commanded the killing of a man for picking up sticks on the sabouth, so picking up sticks is out, but killing is ok any day of the week.
@@mrcurly1147 The sabbath is Saturday
and the best part is that "god" is omniscient so he knew that the daughter would come out first.
Its likely God used his magic to ensure she was the first to come out.
I real the Bible out of curiosity and was shocked at the violent and unfairness and God manipulating things for his "friends". I had to reread some parts because I really didn't think the Bible was like that. I can't believe people actually formed a religion around the devious, violent, unfair events ordered, caused or condoned by God. I believe in God, just not the one in the bible.
Yeah, when I was about 7-8, I knew a lot of my family was religious, I was baptized as baby, had gone to services with them, was interested in the stories and just the general idea of God and that there was this plan and an explanation behind all the wonderful stuff we see in nature, and how it was made, and it was intriguing to me, I wanted to learn more... So, I picked up a Bible, and started reading...
Read the thing cover to cover.. and not only was I struck by how brutal is was, but how unfair, contradictory and just obviously totally made up it all sounded, kings telling people to obey their orders because God said to (sure, they'd have no reason to lie, right? I mean, all they get to do is rule everyone, kill anyone they like, and force people to do whatever they want... Why would they use false pretenses to get into power?) An omniscient being that has to ask people where they are and what they are doing.. A perfectly good and just being who condemns people to infinite punishment for finite crimes... it's all just ridiculous.
Even God himself acts like a petty dictator in the Bible, jealous and vain by his own admission, supremely flawed even though the book kept saying he was perfect (oops, messed up making this, let me destroy EVERYTHING and kill EVERYONE because of it...) Every person throughout history condemned to suffer all their lives and even afterwards, all because a person who was essentially a baby and literally had no way to know better, ate a fruit they weren't supposed to, that they were tricked into eating by a snake God put there, while God watched and did nothing to prevent it...
That's when I decided I wanted nothing to do with that religion, and that the whole thing was total hogwash. I think the Bible itself has made more atheists than all the arguments atheists themselves have ever made.
Jesse Finnerty I agree with you. I remember a part when I think it was Abraham was offered shelter at a friend's home and was fed, etc and then Abraham decides to steal all his cattle during the night. The friend or ex friend comes after him to get his cattle back and God, no less caused him to become immobile so Abraham could steal the cattle.
catsalive1 On that note, I like the story AronRa mentioned once about how God was wrestling with Jacob and cheats by hurting Jacob's groin so he could win (Genesis 32:22-32). So, not only can this all powerful, all-good, perfect being not beat a mortal in wrestling in a fair match, he's petty enough and dishonest enough to cheat.
I always thought the only really important thing about the God of the Bible is the horrific belief in a hell (eternal burning with snakes, or whatever phobias a person may have and remember this is _forever_ Only a sadistic psychopath would worship a god who is going to send any living thing to hell for any reason. Of course there is no hell, but I remember that was my reason for walking away from the religion. Can you imagine enjoying life knowing people or anything is burning for eternity. What is wrong with those people.
catsalive1 Agree there... That was one of the major things for me too... There is no rational justification for such a place if there is an all-powerful, all-loving, and just God... All the arguments in the Bible about it and mentions of the whole reasoning behind it just blatantly rang hollow to me even at that age.
Especially it seemed a huge contradiction in context of the earlier verses talking about justice being 'an eye for an eye'.. That at least makes some sense, it feels fair, punishment fitting the crime... (of course, it ends up with everyone blind, because it becomes a neverending cycle, but that's another story), but there's no way you can justify that a being can be fair and just AND punish someone (especially someone they love) FOREVER for something they did wrong, especially when the punishment is more horrible than ANYTHING that person ever could have done in life, and ESPECIALLY when you are condemning people who don't even know they did anything wrong, or condemning people just for thoughts, or condemning people literally for just being born..
You gotta love that Jephthah promises to give god whatever comes through the door when he comes home. It's not like the goat or teapot is going to be opening the door, it's a promise for a human sacrifice no matter what lol
To be fair, though, I've constantly got goats and sheep going in and out of my front door.
I am named Joshua after the bible, so i felt really hyped throughout this lol
also goes to show my parents didnt really read into that much
Wow cool. You were named afrer the Hitler of his day!
@@NonStampCollector lmao seriously! Ill keep that part to myself on a date
Unless you're on a date with a lovely neo-Nazi.
'Go know yourself' - I have to write down this thing to my abusive language dictionary. NonStampCollector, that's brilliant=)
Никита Цеханович very clever reference to how the Bible describes sex.
The "I'm so sorry", with the music and all, still gives me shivers... That is definitely one of NSC's best videos, edition-wise (among other things)
I’ll be honest, this is probably NonStampCollector’s best video. The comedy mixed with criticism of the Bible is pure genius
Yes but again he's wrong in everything.
Let's check the facts .
1. Where in the bible does it say the Jews are permitted to sacrifice people? I'll wait
2. Does the bible say they are not allowed to? YES Leviticus
3. Did the Jews sacrifice animals to Yahweh? YES , always animals.
4. Is "whatsoever comes out of the house" indicative of a PERSON? it could be or it could not be. Whosoever is more precise but Hebrew does not have a word for that distinction here is Hebrew for a person (read backwards)
biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/31-32.htm
Here is the word for whatever:
biblehub.com/interlinear/leviticus/5-4.htm
Jephtah clearly meant an animal but worded it poorly , since he made the promise to Yahweh then he had to make good on it...but is there a verse in the bible that says he sacrificed his daughter in a BURNT OFFERING? I don't think so .. women were handed over for work with the Levites in the Temple. Temple women could never marry hence the "virginity" story. It's all b.s. no sacrifice was ever made.
@@BeNice3525 No u wrong
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I occasionally come back to these videos, but this is the one that gives me chills at the end. The Firebird Suite helps add so much emotion to the horrific act, and now I’ll never hear it without thinking about child sacrifice. Fun stuff!
Gives me chills too, man. I remember when I was editing it together. I couldn't believe how perfectly it matched the pace of the dialogue I had written.
This was before I realized that copyright actually matters on UA-cam and I had to stop just using whatever music recordings I wanted to.
The book of Judges really made me question my faith. God appeared to be a petulant child with no regard for his "chosen people" or any other living thing. Happily an atheist now.
The first time i saw this was ten years ago.. I'd always known the story of jephthah but to have that visual representation and the orchestra it brings me to tears just like the first time especially wen the angels are pleading with him to spare her.. it broke me.. its something I can't overlook.. I play like I still believe in front of my family but I'm long gone
Stravinsky's "firebird" at the end, great music. As an atheist I think it's hilarious that shit like this is in the bible. Most of it is boring as hell, but then there are these nuggets to spice things up a bit. And the song and dance the christians do to justify the shit is a huge bonus. You could not make it up.
I remember this story...my dad taught it as a "be careful what you promise to god" lesson, or some shit like that...now I realize it WOULD be a good counter when my dad made claims about how the indigenous peoples of the americas (mostly central and south america) were judged for human sacrifice, and that's why...everything happened when europe found out another continent existed... :/
Well, I would say to him that the native americans were on the same era that the old testament with its horrendous sacrifices is. Just doing shit for their aclaimed God just so nobody dies or is punished or gets "magically pregnant but still a virgin"
Its almost like a fantasy book, actually, with an interesting perspective, the Bible is just a dude go mental over time and thinking he is God and some shit, like, who comes up with sacrificing the only kid of a parent TWICE, the whole throwing kids against rocks, millions of people dying to huge floods because "me angy that people bad" even though the God already knows literally everything that happens and is going to happen.
that paint skills
Irmulldor sucks
With such brilliant writing skills paint would be overkill
God is cold bloodied!! I mean damn!!! This why I became a agnostic
God can't be cold blooded is he isn't real.
The Plains Jam agnosticism is a claim about knowledge. If you lack an active belief in God you are an atheist. You are an agnostic atheist.
The character YHWH is cold as ice for sure
Just commit to something. He's not real stop using the term agnostic.
D Paxt I know it's a claim on knowledge. I just think the term causes more confusion than clarity, and I wish people would stop using it. If you don't believe in the existence of any god you should just say "I'm an athiest". Then statistics would reflect us as a group and theists couldn't use smaller figures for their arguments.
Christians like to excuse this saying it was in a time before forgiveness. They will also say that Jephthah made the offer to God. This only proves God is a Monster.
The way he just sits there watching is a
pretty powerful image
And now it has been revealed, by divine light, what Microsoft Paint was created for. All is explained. All hail the stamp.
This part of bible alone made me an agnostic
me to 😅
Speaking of killing babies, etc. What about the plaques against Egypt and the killing of the first born when Moses was about to leave????? How many first born babies died?????
Yeah, but that was a righteous thing to do since pharaoh refused to let his people go.
Because god hardened pharaohs heart.....
He obviously loves to do some killing.
"But you've taken it out of context!!!"
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"Why don't you go and know yourself" priceless 👌🏻😂
eflo97 yup
The part with the rising music and the close up of those incredible MS paint skills killed me. Really portrayed this well!
...and this is perfectly acceptable to Christians because....wait for it...wait for it...."HE'S GOD AND HE CAN DO WHATEVER HE WANT TO DO!"....nuff said.
mike derocco But the Torah makes up the Old Testament of the Christian bible.. and it’s the same God. You wake up.
@mike derocco It most certainly is Judaism which Christianity high-jacked and used during antiquity to become relevant. Now, ya'll want no parts of it. Don't get upset with me. Go and tell it to your fellow believers. I'm not the one that needs convincing.
@@jonbenetclarke9319 Of course it's the same god but there are Christians who want to separate themselves from that part now. Their conscience can't deal with how nasty, mean, and crazy that god was so they only acknowledge the new testament. How convenient for them.
Interesting parallels to Issac and Abraham. The authors of the Bible clearly don't like women
That's not fair, Lot's wife was the salt of the earth.
@@marcdecock7946 omigod nooo😂
Didn't they straight up genderswap prominent female characters as well?
@@AToZed71 they did? Where?
@@gq_barry 10 changes made to the bible by trey the explainer is where i think i remember seeing it. That's why i posted a question and not a statement cause i'm really not sure, sorry
I can easily say, from the videos of yours I've seen so far, this way by far the most impactful. I already wasn't a believer, but I was born and raised christian, and wow.
LMFAO I never check the verses, I always just take his word for it, but when the Psalms 137 verse came up about dashing babies' brains against rocks I was like "there's no way" so I looked that one up and sure enough xD “Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks”
Oh, so THAT'S why christians are against abortion. The doctors are just doing it wrong and thus they aren't happy/blessed (depending on the translation).
I had a religious English teacher that said this was a “Virtuous” story once I hadn’t even thought about it until this video
I can’t overstate just how much of a masterpiece this is
He didn't die for you, he came back three days later, that's hardly a sacrifice.
Don't know if you'll read this, but Kudos to you. Very little can make me disgusted anymore. But watching god just sit there while a man sacrificed his only daughter to him did the trick. All while angles of reason beg to be able to top it. Just... wow.
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I learned of this story when I was a child, probably younger than 10 yo, and I still remember the shock and deep sadness at the unfairness and injustice of his daughter's fate.
Wow. I think this video just broke me ... I didn't know this one. And even though I love NonStampCollector's videos, and am a familiar critic of the Bible myself, this one shocked me more than any other.
"You can go and "know" yourself" Love it haha
It's awesome how you put the specific scriptures so as the apologists can't say anything in rebuttal.
In the words of the late Christopher Hitchens
''If I was told I had to gut my only child to show my faith and Obedience to God, I would say, No Fuck You''
The story of Job is a story that made me an atheist
same here.
One believer asked where it said in the bible that god actually accepted the offer.
Seriously, how fokked up can someone be.
Poor Jepthah, standing there next to his daughter's burnt body and mighty god says 'no, I don't want it'.
damn, this christianity business has alot going on, someone should write a book about it
I might be the nerd one out saying this but I like the use of the firebird suite during the very last seen where the daughter is burned. A little dark but a fun classical music easter egg nonetheless
I spotted it too, love it
Hilarious video! I especially like that you used Stravinsky's "Firebird" for some of the music.
“Go know yourself”. Brilliant
I've talked to Christians who say that Jephthah's daughter wasn't killed, but was instead given over to the temple to serve for the rest of her life. They completely gloss over the fact that it says in no uncertain terms that she was given up as a burnt offering since Jephthah "did what he had promised to the Lord."
Anything to avoid the truth I guess...
Debunking Non-stamp Collector
A lot of Bible sceptics accuse Scripture of portraying a God who, if He existed and did what was recorded of Him, would be deeply immoral. Many Christians struggle to answer these arguments, and some try to draw a distinction between the God of the Old Testament and the God of the New Testament to avoid these hard questions. But this approach is flawed, because the same God inspired the Old Testament and the New Testament. Indeed, both Testaments teach that God is loving and patient, but also cannot abide sin. Also, Christ Himself affirmed the Old Testament (e.g. Luke 24:44-47, John 10:35). Furthermore, it is unnecessary, because the sceptics’ attacks are based on fundamental misunderstandings.
Jephthah’s Daughter.
The story from Judges 11, certainly reads like he offers his daughter as a burnt offering to Lord. But when studying the biblical text and customs of the time, we find an answer that is a true account of what really happened.
Jephthah vowed a vow (See Numbers 30:2) to the Lord, that whatsoever came forth of the doors of his house to meet him, when he returned… it shall surely be the Lords, and he will offer it up for a burnt offering. As non-stamp collector points out, he probably thought of a servant or maybe an animal.
She was at once obedient and patriotic. A women to have no offspring was considered to be in a state of the utmost degradation among the Hebrews; but she is regardless of all this, setting her father is in safety, and her country delivered.
This law therefore expressly applied in its first branch to Jephthah’s case, who had devoted his daughter to the Lord, or opened his mouth to the Lord, and therefore could not go back, as he declared grief at seeing his daughter and only child coming to meet him, she was , therefore necessarily devoted, but with her own consent to perpetual virginity in the service of the tabernacle. As the apostle Paul said in Romans 12:1, people can be offered to God as “a living sacrifice”.
This may explain why his daughter responded by saying, “let this thing be done for me: leave me alone two months, that I may go up and down the mountains and weep for my virginity, I and my companions” … also it said “and it came to pass at the end of the two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. Immediately following the statement about Jephthah fulfilling his vow, we are told that his daughter “did not know a man.” If she is dead, then this information is hardly relevant, so presumably it belongs to some broader issue in the narrative. “ it was a custom in Israel, that the daughters of Israel went up yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year”. If this is the intent of the verse, that Israelite women made a pilgrimage to her every year, it explains why this apparently institutionalized practice of lamenting Jephthah’s daughter as an annual rite is never mentioned anywhere else in the Hebrew Bible. This suggests that the ritual was only institutionalized as long as she was alive; in other words, it belongs to the narratives concerning Jephthah recorded here, but we have no knowledge as to whether it became part of Israel’s holiday or ritual cycles.
Also it seems as his daughter had the right to overturn her fathers vow. The Mischna or traditional law of the Jews is pointedly against it “if a Jew should devote his son or daughter, his man or maid servant, who are Hebrews, the devotement would be void, because no man can devote what is not his to own or whose life he has not the absolute disposal of.” These arguments appear to be decisive against the sacrifice, and that Jephthah could not have devoted his daughter to celibacy against her will is evident from history, and from the high estimation of Israel for her filial duty and her hapless fate, which was celebrated by a regular anniversary commemoration four days a year.
Also, No father, merely by his own authority, could put the an offending much less an innocent child to death upon any account, without the sentence of the magistrate and the consent of the people. Duet 21:18-21.
Some of the worst condemnation in the Bible is directed at those who sacrifice their children to Moloch (Leviticus 18:21; Jeremiah 32:34-35)-and archaeological evidence shows that these were usually infants. When the Israelites disobeyed God and sacrificed their sons and daughters, the Bible says they sacrificed them to demons (Psalm 106:37).
In the Bible, human sacrifice is detestable because it falls under the category of the murder of an innocent human being, which is always condemned.
In conclusion, It appears evident that Jephthah’s daughter was not sacrificed (killed), but consecrated to God and should live in a state of perpetual virginity, Jephthah’s grief being his family line was to become extinct in Israel.
Jephthah is a tragic figure. His problematic origins make the restoring of his status in society crucial to him. Yet, his story ends with no chance of his handing his improved status on to his progeny, since his own vow forces his daughter into permanent celibacy as a woman consecrated to the Lord.
@@farmercraig6080 "she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed" ... his vow being a burnt offering. Just because you analysed it in a way that led you to the conclusion that you should interpret it differently from the express words written in front of you, doesn't mean that it is in any way more than an assumptive interpretation to a definitive statement. You twisted what was written and repeated by you to fit in with your idea of Biblical morality. That is not a debunk, that is you trying to rationalise the horrible parts of the Bible. This whole situation is disgusting by the way, even if he didn't kill his own daughter but had her sacrifice the remainder of her days in such a way, even though that is not what it says happened.
@@farmercraig6080 the usual long winded apologetics which ignores several key pieces including the fact his was so broken over the fact she had been the first thing he saw....talks about how humans sacrifice is detestable yet seems to forget the whole Jesus sacrifice while adding this idea the NT is the exact same as the OT derp it was even written by the same people right? Then let us also ignore numbers 31 were a whole town of people who did nothing wrong were slaughtered because a handful of jews decided to worship thier slave wives god one time....oh except the little virgin girls who were kept as sex slaves and the non virgin girls were put to the sword......oh oh oh what about the first born of egypt? Yeah those kids were really evil right? All because god hardened the pharoahs heart so he would not let the jews go so how many innocent kids who had no choice in the matter die? You say this shit about it being detestable to kill innocents but in the bible children are slaughtered left and right fuck the towns of Sodom and Gamorrah, not to even touch the lie that god promised to look for good souls in Gamorrah but never even checked appearently children in said towns were also evil even the new borns right?
The thing I hate most about apologetics like this is they pick a point and go with it while ducking and dodging anything that would be used against thier point. Completly ignore all parts in which god had even offered a mans wives to be raped infront of him because morality? Seriously the fuck is wrong with you for even attempting to defend a book that says slavery is ok raped women have to marry thier rapists and it's ok to kill gays and people who wear the wrong clothes? Shit not only does it say it's ok but it's your moral duty and the whole town needs to get in on it.
Oh and if he is so distraught over not having grand kids you think maybe he could just i dunno have another kid or two? Hell you guys are so hung up on adoption he could do that too.........Like i said shitty apologetics.
The explanation for his "broken" state is covered in my rebuttal.
All the rest of your reply, is off topic. But I am working on a reply to non stamp collectors slavery videos. Might see you there. @@danielessex2162
@@farmercraig6080 TL:DR; Debunking Farmer Craig: Jepthah's story involved a burnt offering.
Actually... No. According to the actual Hebrew version, the original writing... The word "olah" means "burnt sacrifice". God used it with Abraham when he was about to sacrifice Issac and was stopped... It ALSO appeared in the story of Jephthah. It literally says "ve ha ali'tahu olah", as in "offer it as a burnt offering". This is the original version. Ask any Jew who still speaks Hebrew and they will translate it. They don't buy into your theory that you just gave. According to the ACTUAL ORIGINAL HEBREW text... The daughter was literally burned. She didn't get offered as a "living sacrifice". She was a "burnt offering".
Not to mention, it's been refuted multiple times online and even early Christians didn't buy into trying to refute that she wasn't killed. And as much as Christian debaters love to quote Flavius Josephus, it's quoted by him "he sacrificed his daughter as a burnt offering: offering such as oblation as was neither conformable to the law, nor acceptable to God; not weighing with himself what opinion the hearers would have of such a practice. Jepthah sacrificed his daughter.". So yeah, that's just you making an unjust claim against what historians already notarized centuries ago. Jews didn't and don't buy into it as in the first 1000 years of translation, it was UNANIMOUSLY interpreted text that Jephtah killed his daughter. Early Christians didn't buy into that claim - famous interpreters, bishops and priests such as Origin, John Chrysostom, Augustine, Martin Luther, John Calvin and Aurelius Ambrosius also state that he indeed burnt his daughter for YHWH as a sacrifice. And early historians recorded the fact that relatively no one bought into these claims that he just "offered up her virginity" as a way of making up for not murdering her.
Granted it (the chance of having your virginity sealed) is written in LATER STORIES, centuries after this event that the barbaric nature of the old worlds toned down a bit and it was more symbolic for "nuns" to be a thing. Sure. I can buy that, considering it was a much later time period after this story was issued... But there's no need for "the custom in Israel that the daughters of Israel lament the daughter of Jephtah four days of the year" if she was just a to be a celibate woman. I mean, have you ever lamented over a group of nuns before, 4 days out of the 365 days in a year just because they will never have sex? I don't think so...
This story is a rip-off of The myth of Idomeneus of Crete... but unlike Yahweh, the Greek gods got angry by the sacrifice of his own son and punished him sending a plage over Crete.
Apologist may say it's just a fake greek story inserted in the Bible... but since there are many more biblical stories "inspired" by previous religions (like the flood story or all the stuff taken from Zoroastrism), they should start considering maybe there isn't any true stories inside that book.
According to the commentaries God does get mad at Jephthah and does send a plague on him.
@@judahlopatin9733 I haven't seen those commentaries you mentioned, but as far as I know no plague happens afterwards, in the next chapter he defeats and kills the Ephraimites and reigns for 6 years until his unspecified death.
There's no mention of god being angry with him: His vow to god is apparently rewarded with huge military victories before and after the sacrifice of his daughter instead of the horrible punishment you would expect seconds after killing her. God has killed hundreds for lesser offenses in the Old Testament, he would not have won if his vow offended him.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the next and last time his name appears in the bible is in the Epistle to the Hebrews 11:32, where is commended for his faith instead of being condemned by his murder.
Edit:typo.
@@Espadasilenciosa You are absolutely correct, and I don't know why it is not written explicitly in the text that he was punished. I have speculations, but I agree it probably should have been written explicitly. See Rashi Judges 11:39 who analyzes the verse later on in 12:7, "And [Jephthah] was buried in the cities of Gilad," to mean that he was buried in more than one place, which alludes to the fact that, as punishment, his limbs fell off.
In addition (this is not mentioned in Rashi, but I think it is interesting to note) it is Jewish practice to be buried in one place, even if one's limbs are separated. See, for example, that Israel tries to find fallen soldier's limbs (to the best of their ability) because this is a great idea in Judaism. So you see that it is more than just a physical punishment of pain because his limbs fell off, but also a spiritual punishment.
Also, I'm not certain that it is because of his vow that he merited to have such great victories. Clearly not before the completion of the vow as Rashi explains that he could have annulled it. It could have been that it was because of the merits of Israel's prayers that they deserved these military victories, and Jephthah was simply the vehicle through which this salvation happened.
What lesser offenses? I don't think we can know what is a lesser or greater offense.
I don't know if that's the next and last time (after chapter 12 because he is mentioned there), but being Jewish I don't hold the Epistle to the Hebrews to be part of the Bible.
I hope that answers your questions!
@@judahlopatin9733 I think that interpretation is too benevolent and requires assumptions outside the canonical texts.
-->Other different translations of Judges 12:7 say he was buried in "one of the cities". If those are correct, Jephthah never lost his limbs nor was dishonorably buried, therefore no traces of divine punishment. It they're wrong and yours is right, there might be alternative explanations like him being the victim of human enemies or a true divine punishment for an completely different, unwritten offense done years later. That would explain why had more victories and 6 years reign after an immoral human sacrifice instead of being cursed/killed immediately after.
-->I reaffirm the battle before the completion of the vow had divine intervention:
Judges 11:29 "Then the Spirit of the LORD came upon Jephthah, and he passed through Gilead and Manasseh, then through Mizpah of Gilead. And from there he advanced against the Ammonites."
11:32 "So Jephthah crossed over to the Ammonites to fight against them, and the LORD delivered them into his hand"
-->Breaking vows and promises is forbidden in several verses of the Bible (quick search: Numbers 30:2, Ecclesiastes 5:4-5
): To be fair, I read some exceptions (if you're a woman your father/husband can null it only the day of the vow/the day they found out).
If the vow could be broken without reprisal, Jephthah clearly didn't know and God didn't bother to send an angel to tell him (like with Abraham) or a goat ahead of his daughter (he gave Abraham the same substitute for Isaac), despite his spirit being with the israel chief the day of his vow.
-->Regarding the lesser offenses with greater punishments in the Old Testament... punctual blasphemy or mere rudeness is a lesser deal than literal assassinations.
God (usually) abhors human sacrifices and several times used them as examples of the evil of other people (Deuteronomy 12:31, 18:10, 2 Kings 21:6, Leviticus 18:21,Jeremiah 7:31...). Doing one in his name would be the ultimate offense since that would violate the Sixth Commandment and many other laws. Plus, associating His name with such disgusting act would be the ultimate blasphemy...
...even so, in this story God allowed it at best (without explicit punishment) or rewarded it at worst... but, as I said, all this is probably a greek myth absorbed by Judaism, incoherence is not unexpected.
Let's return to the lesser offenses. Example number 1 in Numbers 21:5-> the people of Israel who was traveling through the desert complaint to Moises and God about being thirty and the tasteless food. Mere words of adults and kids exhausted and scared of dying there.
The all loving God responded by sending venomous snakes to kill them. Even after those people repented and prayed, the snakes kept attacking them. God told them to build a bronze snake and look at it each time they were bitten to survive. It would be easier to make the snakes disappear, but I guess god wanted them to suffer more.
Another example: 2 Kings 2:23
Offense: A group of little boys name-calling the prophet Elisha (they called him "bald")
Punishment: After the prophet cursed them in the name of the Lord, she-bears came out of the woods and tore forty-two of the boys apart.
Excessive? Yes. By a lot. And it wasn't even a blasphemy directed to god, only to a prophet.
Name-calling prophets
I love how Yahweh's eyes widen with euphoria when reminiscing about the smell of sacrificed virgins.
You're one hardcore dude, God. Don't ever change.
So, this is the Lord God of Israel. This explains a lot.
Exato, e judeus ainda sacrificam crianças até hoje.
"You can go know yourself" LOL
1:54 Gaza... I think god is doing it again...
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In this story, making a deal with god is worse than making a deal with the devil!
Would a "Christian" actually read and think and understand? This is really excellent work. I tried to discuss some of the more obvious verses to a pair of people sent to "bring me back" but they refused to actually acknowledge the existence of such heinous cruelty, this from the "god of love"
It's astounding. Now matter how obviously and objectively awful something is, they will find a way to defend it, and they cannot, at all, see how crazy that appears.
Seems there are 2 responses to this story.
1. Wow, wasn't it foolish of Jephthah to make a promise like that? While it was good he was faithful to his promise to God, we should always remember not to make dangerous promises! Now, how about a different Bible story?
2. She totally didn't die, she just became a nun. Only evil atheists trying to attack God say she died.
0:54 This vid hits a little harder these days. Not like it didn't 14 years ago. Or 75 for that matter. Though of course, those cities mentioned actually _do_ have people still in them - only in the propaganda were the genocides of old so effective as to justify the genocides of today
these videos are making me feel kinda sorry for my friends who are named after biblical people, I mean they believe in this stuff, but I feel bad for them.
MySatanIsSilence I'm called Joshua :(
MySatanIsSilence David
MySatanIsSilence My name is Bartholomew . If you need some Homie love hmu
Ezekiel 9:5-6
As I listened, he said to the others, “Follow him through the city and kill, without showing pity or compassion. 6 Slaughter the old men, the young men and women, the mothers and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark. Begin at my sanctuary.” So they began with the old men who were in front of the temple.
Have we made any progress in the treatment of mental illness?
Close to 2 billion christians today. Muslims not far behind.
I think not.
No we haven't
Oof as skeptical Muslim that hurts m8
Why didn't God intervene to stop the sacrifice of a young girl? Well... that's it, she was a girl & as such, she had no worth. And just to make a point how little value she had, why is it the bible doesn't mention her name? What little concern was shown for that girl was she will die a virgin.
So... it that may explain, why would God waste his time saving a girl?
Yeah. The Bible LITERALLY calls women property. But oh, God would have stopped it if it was his son! After all, he doesn't believe in sacrificing people, just property like cattle, slaves, and women!
Holy shit, i never knew the death of a stick figure could be so heartbreaking
I had forgotten about the story in the Bible. With all the scripture you guys quoted along with what I know in scripture and what it has to say I finally came to my decision to throw out my Bibles and disregard anything I know about a Jewish or Christian God ever again. This is the biggest hypocrisy there is in what they call Holy Scripture. I'm so sorry I believed in any of this crap. If there is a creator then I bet nothing any man has ever concocted about him is true at all. Thank you for making this animation it helped me to make my decision that all organized religions are full of SHIT. And in words of Lewis Black FUCK I've got to start all over again.!
This was exactly me when I saw this video, then read the passage for myself.
For the Abrahamic god I say: "Whether he exists or not, he's evil."
Yeah you probably won’t know very much if you learn from youtube videos instead of the Bible
@@halebopp4747 not very wise of you to assume that no one has ever read the Bible other than yourself. I can read in two languages the second language I taught myself Hebrew. Anybody who could read the Bible and not see the nonsense probably doesn't read it at all and only swallows whatever their pastor says from behind his pulpit. And that's why you don't know very much
4:18 This channel is awesome, but you make this mistake in several videos. Nowhere in Numbers 31 says they killed virgins, they used them as sex slaves. They killed the non virgins. Witch makes it all fine, of course lol.
why waste a virgin with human sacrifice right?
I love how UA-cam autoplay has a video titled, and I quote "WHY dkd Jephthah SACRIFICE His Daughter? | Judges 11 Explained"
No gods followers don’t explain his justification they just say “I don’t know his reasons but I have faith in his reasons” hence sustaining my and other atheist’s beliefs that the god of the bible is not real and as a fictional character is a villain. If he is up there he should stop threatening us with eternity of torture and threaten those followers that let him down.