Important things to know before buying CPDs Celestial Peral Danios
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- Опубліковано 4 сер 2022
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Just a few extra bits of information that I haven't really seen online about CPDs 'aka' Celestial Pearl Danios. - Домашні улюбленці та дикі тварини
I've got my CPDs in a tank with ember tetras, chili rasboras, two female bettas and two otocinclus. The CPDs school with the tetras a lot, sometimes with the rasboras. They are really good fish, and I wouldn't call them boisterous, but definitely will say they are bold. Great for keeping the amphipod (scud) population down. I haven't had an issue with them jumping out, and I've got the water line at nearly two inches below the rim.
I think they are fine with the chili rasboras, there's been no aggression or issues, but the rasboras don't really seek out the CPDs socially, and vice versa. The rasboras are more territorial now, like they've always ran the show in the community tank but since adding the CPDs they've been guarding their favorite cave more often. I added a couple caves to offset that behavior, along with more plants. I would say to anyone here, CPDs are great with tetras who will match their boldness and keep them in check, or will be great with larger rasbora species, but they aren't the most ideal tankmates for chili rasboras.
The last thing I'll say about CPDs is that they are hyper-observant. If you sit perfectly still in front of their tank, they'll ignore you, but if you move so much as an inch, they'll all turn and stare at you. This is completely natural behavior for them, but it is jarring the first few times you witness it.
As for stopping them jumping out, I think the best solution is to have a tank with numerous bits of interest: Botanicals, large bushy stem plants, lower the water line a bit more, being in a community tank, and things for them to hunt, such as amphipods, microworms or daphnia. CPDs are a highly intelligent fish (hyper-observant), and they enjoy exploring, investigating and interacting with objects and other fish. CPDs need access to a few different caves, too. Some fish species don't care about caves, some even like open water, but CPDs really need caves. For some reason when fish don't have enough cognitive enrichment, they start doing weird stuff like squeezing into spaces that ends up killing them, or jumping out of the tank. I noticed that my male betta fish became a lot more active and appears healthier after I started teaching him tricks by using hand-signals/ASL to "talk" to him.
I currently have mine with the same exact stocking as you. It works really well they all seem to bring out the best in eachother. The bigger the school of cpds the better though. They are way more interesting in a big group!
Would cpd be too bold with Glowlight tetras or Corydoras?
Love the tank, very beautifully landscaped ! Thank you...I have 6 of these little guys and love them. God bless.
Thank you 😊 these fish are still my top favourite. Tied with pygmy corys. You should try breeding your cpds it's super super easy and they are even cooler in a group of around 20 or more
That's a seriously gorgeous tank! I've not tried keeping mine with shrimp, but know they love to eat their own fry if I can't get them out before an adult spots one. Definitely agree with you on the starting number of at least 8-10, they do much better. 🙂👍
Cheer! This is quite a long time ago now the tank has changed so much since then. I'm going to tear it down and rescape it soon though. Not sure what I will do with it yet but.
I've got these CPDs in a 10 gallon now trying to breed them. So far I've only managed to get one fry to adulthood because they really do love to eat their babies! I'm just going to collect the eggs and separate them moving forward, they spawn every day so it's basically an unlimited supply! Heres to a colony of 50!
@@IndoorEcosystem I figured you had probably figured out your cpd jumping issue by this time 😉. That tank is so pretty, I'm sure your re-scape will be just as beautiful! I just colony breed mine with tons of plant cover and a separate fry tank at this time, so I don't have huge yields. I've just been checking the tank with a flashlight to catch the little sheen off the eyelash sized newly free swimming fry. Fantastic little fish, here's to your colony of 50! 🙂
Great community there. Lovely tank. I've found my cpds way more active than I expected, having heard comments about them hiding away or people just not seeing them. At feeding time they go nuts shoving around the endlers who are usually the most boisterous. Colours have stayed real nice too so I'm pleased I went for them.
They are my top favourite fish because they are so random in behaviour. It all comes down to the tank. They are very adaptable. Before this scape got really overgrown they used to be super fun to watch darting between the two islands. I've moved them to a new tank now to breed them and this tank is way more dense which has given them the the tradition characteristics but they do go mad for food like you say and early in the morning around spawning time. It's always chaos. I'd like to try a few more scape styles with them in the future so hopefully breeding goes well.
I bought 8 CPDs about a week ago, sadly one passed away two days after purchasing them. They are young at the moment, but I want to breed them to get more, since they do better in large numbers.
I got them because I have this massive fish tank for my axolotl, and the tank looks very empty, so I researched and found a couple different species that can live with axolotls. I am going to get some cardinal tetras as well to out with them.
I know my axolotl may eat a few, so that’s why I am going to raise them up to adult age and breed them before I put them in the axolotl tank. I’m going to make sure I always have atleast 8 CPDs in a different tank (I’m doing the same with the cardinal tetras).
I know putting them with the axolotl is a risk, but who knows, it might work out well. Never know until you try and don’t be afraid to take risks.
Breeding is fairly easy it takes a fair bit of time though. I turned 8 into about 30 over a few months. I'd aim for 20 always in your breeder tank. The more the better.
Love this tank. You've actually got all my favorite fish in it. Excellent selection 👍. I was going to add CPDs to my tank. I also have a lot of shrimp..Glad you mentioned they don't seem to be shrimp friendly. Thanks for the great info! Love the tank. Great job with the aquascape!
Thank you 🙂 They are adult shrimp safe but they absolutely love to munch on the babies!
Glad you shared this. I was boing to set up a tank for the first time in many years, and I wanted to include CPD's, but I also wanted to have two species of shrimp as clean up crew. That seems like it might not be a really good idea based on what you're saying. Now I must decide whether it will be the CPD's which I don't get, or the shrimp. I am not at all interested in breeding the CPD's, but I was hoping to get a few young off of the shrimp so that I would not have to buy more quite so frequently.
Thanks for sharing this information! It has saved me from possibly making a big mistake.
Full sized shrimp are ok with them but they decimate babies pretty fast if you don't have a really dense tank.
Your CPDs look beautiful and so healthy. I love the tank.
Thanks 😊 I've been lucky enough to breed quite a few from these fiesty adults.
Im a year late but your java moss looks immaculate! So stunning.
It's usually a hair algae magnet 😅
Fish do jump, that’s why I have kids on all 5 of my tanks. 4 Twenty gallons aquariums and one 75 gallon aquarium. Thank you for sharing.
You never know when but it does eventually happen! Usually when they get startled by light or during a fight in the tank I've found. Floating plants make a big difference but they aren't for everyone or every tank style! Lids are the best option!
Beautiful tank.👍
Thank you :)
Amazon frog bit; it has thick, wide and flat leaves. It also grows in fast and thick, nothing jumping through that...
Yep! It's probably the best option of all if you don't mind the long roots.
I had my suspicions about CPD. I still love them though. Have you tried breeding them? You can use Lighting Defusers to prevent jumpers. You can cut the Defusers down to the size of the rim. I’ve used it for years and never had a fish commit suicide. Thank you for sharing. I enjoyed watching.
They are the best fish! Especially when you get them in groups of 20 or so. Ive bred them a few times now they are really easy to breed but you have to collect the eggs to do so. There's some good guides around on the best process.
Good idea with the light defusers. Black ones would work really well!
I've got 8 CPDs with 9 Chili Rasboras and 8 Blue Dream Shrimp. As soon as I added the CPDs my Chili Rasboras started to hide in the plants. I hadn't heard they were bad for Shrimp population before. I hope mine go ok or I'll have to relocate the CPDs to a different tank.
If your tank is nice and dense you'll have more shrimp survive than are eaten but they will pick them off when they get the chance. They are quite good little hunters!
@@IndoorEcosystem I was worried about having shrimp in my community with guppies, honey Gouramis, black neon tetras and neon tetras. I was happily surprised to see how good shrimplets are at evading predators. They dart away in a blink of an eye. So far the only thing that really impacted my shrimp population was Planaria. No-Planeria took care of that problem but I tried several other solutions before that treatment and unfortunately the shrimp population went from around 15 to 4 so I had to buy some more.
I would have thought it would be the barbs to knock off the shrimp... interesting. My CPD don't bother my shrimp , but they will eat the shrimp fry. Some do survive it helps keep things in balance.
The barbs pay no attention to them surprisingly. But the CPD's are like little snipers! Enough make it through though but if your just starting a new colony it's something to be aware of.
Two years keeping them and I have never had a jumper. They do swim all levels.but most of the the time it's the middle or lower. I wouldn't bother with a lid. You were just unlucky. They are extremely easy to breed, easy to feed and easy to care for. More of them the better. I keep them in all four of my tanks with apistos, shrimp and LDA25.
They are quite expensive to buy which I find strange as they are prolific breeders.
You've been pretty luck with no jumpers I've heard a few people having problems. Usually when males are sparing they get fired up. The price is weird in some places here where I am they are fairly cheap but in Australia they want 30 bucks a fish in some places....
I’ve got 6 CPD’s, sadly they are 5 males and one female. I got them when they were young and they all had little color and it was hard to tell the sex. But they run the poor female ragged, when the males aren’t sparing with each other. I’ve tried to find more females but it seems in my area, the females don’t show up for sale often and the breeders tend to keep them. In fact, they are kind of hard to come by period in my area. Though if you keep checking the stores, they usually do show up. Their actions are entertaining for sure, and I love that they look like little brook trout to me. Lots of videos I watched before buying them said they were very shy, mine certainly are not. I have to shew them away from me constantly when I’m trying to siphon water from the tank for water changes, they’ll come right up to the tube and I’ve twice sucked one up the tube and into the bucket. Fortunately no injuries and I’ve since added at filter basket to my water changing tube and since then haven’t had any more bucket travelers. I keep mine with 6 Cherry shrimp, adults and the CPD’s don’t bother them at all in my experience. I have one Amano shrimp, same story. Your situation seems to be unique as I’ve seen them being kept with shrimp in other videos and not heard of problems before. My shrimp have not bred, yet but I’m sure the CPD’s will eat the babies if they can find them. The only other inhabitants are rams horn snails and even the tiniest of babies have been fine. Last thing I’ll say is all six of my CPD’s are finicky eaters. When I first got them, I had a hard time even getting them to eat live baby brine shrimp. I was like how the fuck did you little bastards make this long. I bought, blood worms, daphnia, flake and two kinds of micro pellets. With all foods they would go for the foods putting it in their mouths and spit right back out. Thankfully they finally did start eating regularly, but even still to this day they will play finicky with any new foods introduced to them. Some times after a few attempts they start eating it, but I’ve got one brand of a micro pellet they still won’t eat still to this day. It’s a well known quantity brand too, they just won’t eat it.
A lot of people keep them with shrimp and they are adult shrimp safe, for the most part. But they absolutely destroy baby shrimp populations. I managed to breed my population of cpds up to about 25 (they are easy to breed) and once the numbers got higher my shrimp population stop growing entirely.
I've heard a lot of stories now of males going crazy and killing every in a tank as well. It only seems to happen when they are solo though. Or without any females to annoy.
They probably go mad with lust but they'll basically just kill everything else even things quite a lot bigger than them out of spite.
They are stilly favourite fish though and I've notice their shy nature is entirely dependent on light or cover from above. Cover from above and dimish lights and they go everywhere. Bright lights and open waters they are more skittish.
Hopefully you can get some more females and get some breeding going they are a great little project fish
The guy in my city in Romania sells adults as pairs of 1 male to every 3 females. He wrote that males are rare in his case…
@@somevids4187 That's the perfect mix for them. Males chase females around non stop so having more females than males is a great way to share the love around!
I’ve got shrimp in my cpd only tank and have a lot of baby shrimp. It’s heavy planted but I’ve never seen the cpd eat them.
Mines dense in pockets with a fair bit of moss. But as soon as the baby shrimp pop out to move between patches they will get picked off. Usually, it's an inquisitive pick but it's usually enough to stun or kill the shrimplet then they are food.
I love them, they're beautiful and really active. Sadly for me, I was told they were shrimp safe and they obliterated my cherry shrimp colony in a matter of days. I had to quickly buy another thank and transfer the remaining shrimps. The only shrimps in their tank are amanos and they are bigger than the CDPs.
Mine have been good with the adult shrimp but they absolutely destroy any real chances of having babies. They are very very good little hunters. Especially when you have quite a few of them.
I had a cardinal tetra eat a full size cherry thinking it was a blood worm.😅
@@sherlockbonez Wow! It must have been almost choking! 😅
I have them in my tank with shrimp and I have babies everywhere , everyone gets along I watch them look at the babies and swim away I do keep them fed well but maybe I’m just lucky
@@Overboardcustoms Mine are little murder machines and they are fed well, sometimes twice a day. Perhaps you have shrimp breeding than they can eat? Maybe they lost the taste for them 🤣
Gorgeous tank! How do you grow the asparagus fern? Is the crown in water?
Thank you :) I just rinsed all the soil off the roots and made sure to only submerge the plant in the water to the old soil line.
I am using crates the black ones can be inter connected with each other but do care about cutting proper outlets for the hang on hobs and others
That's a decent idea. I ended up getting perspex and cutting lids out of it. It works pretty well but can trap heat in summer so has its downsides.
@@IndoorEcosystem its a grid type egg crate interlockable one whole piece system. Its colors is black and white only. This thing i bought is more durable and more knitly closed squares.. can be cut by your desired size length. This can be bought in pet stores just tell them egg crates interlockable...
@@IndoorEcosystem its an open type breathable air can circulate freely..
@@robertcarlosllenarizas7987 yep it's quite a clever option.
If only i can senfd pic of the said thing i'll send it here
As far as a tank cover...have you tried a DIY cover using a window screen? You could do cut outs to allow your plants continue to grow outside the tanks.
That's actually a really good idea and something I will look into. It will be tricky but even if I can just cover the edges that would help a lot! Cheers for the tip!
@@IndoorEcosystem Sometimes I even amaze myself! 😯 Let us know how it works out.
@@stevemc6861 I'm about to do a smaller 50x30x30 squascape in the next couple of weeks so I will experiment on that one first then upscale it if everything goes well. I'll put a video up about it :)
I think you'd have better luck with CPDs and shrimp with denser vegetation and more hiding spots in hardscape. I never see tiny baby shrimp out in the open in my CPD tank, but the cherry shrimp are numerous as always because the babies just hide out in the huge clumps of moss that the fish can't get into.
I do agree with you on that. Though my tank has some really dense areas the issue is it goes from dense to open areas and after a while the shrimp and fry venture out to the edges and the CPDs a waiting to pick them off.
I think another factor is the population density of the CPDs in the tank i probably need a lot more to keep them all occupied with each other. For now some will venture off on solo trips and just hunt for critters.
Its interesting because I had ember tetras with shrimp with a fairly open carpet scape and didn't have any shrimplet loss.
Really wish I’d watched this , my shrimp were finally breeding after getting rid of endlers. I added CPD’s with my chilli rasboras and they decimated any small shrimp.
I thought the same! They are insanely litle hunters. I spent ages watching them really closely and they are shrimp snipers!
I’ve wondered about the 8-10 number.
I have a heavily planted 10 gallon with lots of hard space and a deep substrate. My 2 CPD’s (both males I think) look extremely healthy and display normal behavior like displaying and hunting copepods/daphnia.
Have you tried fewer number in a more dense tank? Wondering if it’s possible or I’m going to run into problems down the road.
They'll survive in low numbers but you don't get to see their true behaviour. They are quite a social fish and very active and fun to watch in a big group. 20 + is even better. They roam around and chase eachother and explore etc. I have heard of males eventually killing eachother then the last surviving one goes mad with lust and kills everything in the tank like a psychopath.
@@IndoorEcosystem good to know! I’ll keep an eye out for more to make them happy. Thanks!
@@surfer101ist They are really easy to breed so if you get a few females you can breed them out to a nice big group pretty quickly.
I have even had Cardinal tetras jump out. A lid was the only solution. I didn't like it, but I also didn't like seeing Cardinals on the floor either.
100% agree! Floating plants are a good mitigation method but not foolproof and they block a lot of light. I didn't know cardinals were jumpers
@@IndoorEcosystem I didn't know either and I have kept them for decades. The most expensive fish I ever lost to a jump was one of my breeder discus.
@@tvideo1189 Discus really, really don't look like jumpers! I guess it's safe to assume all fish have the potential to end up on the floor.
I love cardinals
Do I need a heater for neon tetras? I live in Canada with winter
Yep. Unless you want to keep you room at the required temperature but that'll probably be way more expensive
Спасибо! 🌹
No problem 😊
Use plexglassvor sometging like that then u can cut holes for plants to fit .
That's what I've been doing more recently. Though it doesn't work well when it's hot. It traps heat. A mesh version is way better for summer.
Awesome vid, Maybe some frogbit for the top with bigger leaves.
Ive had my cbds in with shrimp for years with no problems so who knows.
Thanks :) Frogbit was the first thing i went looking for but there is nothing available locally or online near me at the moment. I was going to get some Frogbit and red root floaters.
I was quite surprised with CPDS chasing shrimp and stuff around I always see they are shrimp safe but after spending a lot of time watching them i notice they are quite the little hunters. They are very fast to eat any small fish fry too. Usually their own offspring most of the time. I keep waiting to see if any survive!
@@IndoorEcosystem what's your male to female ratio? I've bred them for years and only seen that with male dominant tanks. Maybe you just have some very good hunters haha.
Ah what a shame I have tons of red root floaters and frogbit. I find those two the perfect mix and I just take the massive ones out ect.
@@elzonn It sounds like you've got quite the nice set up going. I have RRF but haven't seen any around here in ages.
I had 8 CPDs 6 female 2 male until one of my males jumped out. I figured they would be pretty safe. I had a conversation with a guy on reddit a while back that told me his CPDS would jump out randomly as well so he had to get a lid for them. But hes the only person I've heard mention it anywhere.
As for the hunters in my tanks It's usually the females doing it. The male is the one going around crazy looking for them. Perhaps I need more males to balance out the females as well so all the fish are distracted.
I think I'm going to have to do some more detective work!
@@IndoorEcosystem as for thr jumping I've never had it happen in tank but it really seems pot luck unfortunately. Had rummys jump and bloodfins so I have a lid on my main tetra tank.
While I'm here any ideas on a bigger bodied tetra with a different colour. As in not red/sliver. Was thinking lemons but it's hard to get the colours out in them from experience.
@@elzonn I would have suggested lemons as well that was my first thought but i haven't seen them really bright either. The only other really interesting one ive seen are green rasboras but they aren't big bodied. They are more like ember tetra size.
It's tough finding stuff outside the usual colours.
What is the plant in the middle top at 1:21-1:22?
The bright green one?
limnophila sessiliflora
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Need a cover, the only way to put a stop to jumping out
100% though a fully layer of floating plants also works very well if you don't mind the look of the tank like that!
@@IndoorEcosystem you block the lights
@@vincentlee2460 CPD's are a lot more happy under low light so it's not too much of a big deal. Unless you have really demanding plants.
What temp you running? I hear CPDs like cooler temps.
It sits around the 23c to 25c mark most of the time but can go down to 21c at times. During the massive heatwave last year it got up to 28-29c which they could handle for a couple of days but after about 3 days you could see them getting quite lethargic. So I had to get a fan onto the water to get temps down. I'd try to keep them under 25c if possible.
What’s that plant at the end of the video, with all the roots in the water?
That's an Asparagus Fern. They do really well in a setup like this.
@@IndoorEcosystem Thank you
@@user-ll3qd8sk7q No problem 😊
how many gallons is this tank?
This one is a 20 gallon long.
I have a 29 gallon and i wanna keep a apistogramma and a clown pleco, would it be a good idea to keep a school of these guys or should i go with zebra danios instead?
These guys would be perfectly fine. They breed really easily as well if have the time to collect the eggs. Worth doing to get a nice big school without paying a lot of money. I'd start with 10 then breed them up to about 30. They are great in bigger groups.
Thanks
@@elianascencio4705 No problem! These guys are still my favourite fish! The males sparring is the best thing to watch!
@@IndoorEcosystem lol it does look fun to watch 😂
@@IndoorEcosystem and these guys are pretty hardy right?
I have 15 and plan on getting 10 more....I have shrimp too....is it safe to put beta male in my tank? Don't want them to kill him lol....they don't seem aggressive to me....I have juvenile shrimp,and everything is OK ...for now 🤔
You'll see them munch on the very tiny new born shrimps. Ones they get a little bigger it's less of an issue. As for the betta that's going to be 50/50 he may absolutely hate them and want to kill them or hell just ignore them. Bettas are odd like that.
Nice tank! Did you have cpd babies yet?
Yeah I've spotted a fair few fry but they get eaten fast. I have managed to save one and moved it into my shrimp tank but it was just luck I saw it In time. I have a short up about it. It's insanely small
Beautiful fish tank. What's the tank size?
100x30x30cm I quite enjoyed this layout but the white sand is tricky to keep clean!
What size tank is this? Also is it run on co2
100x30x30cm no co2 just aquasoil capped with sand.
@@IndoorEcosystem it’s lovely kudos
@@Abilly1r Thanks 🙂
while watching ths in the middle of the night i turn on my flash checking on the floor right when u said they jump out.😂got 6 of them for now.these guy quite pricey than tetra
ahahaha They are really good at jumping out! A lid or floating plants are a really good idea. It's usually the males that seem to jump.
my neo shrimps are growing with CPD...shrimplets never shame with CPD around them
my CPDs are baby shrimp snipers! Even when they are super well fed!
@@IndoorEcosystem my tank even has pea puffer
@@alexchooi As long as the population grows faster than they can eat them you are safe!
Maybe a netted type lid?❤️🇦🇺
This is actually a really good idea. I wish I heard sooner! I ended up making a new tank for them with a lid! Just a little more work :D
Shame about eating shrimp. Really wanted to add these guys.
They pick off the tiniest ones but won't bother bigger ones. So if your tank is super dense you will still have successful population growth just not as explosive.
You are not feeding them enough that is way they are eating you shrimps and jumping out of the tank if you feed them right they are shrimp safe.
They get food twice a day.
Flakes in the morning, brine shrimp or blood worms in the evening. They have plenty of food. Food isn't the issue.
Food is the issue I have had mine with shrimp and have no problem I feed mine three times a day and I stock my tank with microfauna as well
@@roblavalle7800What microfauna are you stocking?
copepods and daphnia
@@roblavalle7800I have pods in mine but no daphnia.
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