BEST Way To Get Porsche Parts Without Getting RIPPED OFF - Warning PORSCHE Tax is Real!
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- Опубліковано 6 лип 2024
- Here's my best way to score Porsche parts without paying the so called Porsche Tax. It's no secret that anything that says Porsche costs more. In this video I give my strategy to find fair market value for new and used parts. Plus I share all my favorite parts suppliers and walk you through a few examples of good buys.
Don't be afraid to buy more than you need, because in order to offset some of the expensive buys you should consider selling parts too. That is my method to keep costs low and keep the hobby fun.
This method works for anything and not just classic car parts.
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Happy New Year to all! Tell me your best deal because everyone loves a good deal!
Thanks for the video, we all like a bargain 😉
I find it's the same with VW parts as well, specialist suppliers put a astronomical mark up on OEM new parts still from the local dealer's, lots of Porsche parts & VW are very similar part numbers which help
Thank You for sharing Your experience and knowlegde.
Great video Tom. I've paid a lot of "taxes" in the last few years!
An electrical engineer church friend and dome of his buds had their sons do a Top Gear $1,500 challenge. They sent them from the east coast to California to buy cars. His son, also an EE, bought a 944. It somehow made it back to Georgia. Then dad used his knowledge of electrical interchangeability to buy the same parts on the cheap.
Nice! That sounds like quite an adventure. Wonder what my son's would do?
Thanks for the video Tom, that was interesting ! Have a nice year ! :)
Solid strategies Tom. Thanks for sharing!
Informative. I plan on doing a similar video on my channel. I"m restoring a 996 and have run into this "tax" often.
Cool!
Thank you for this video !!! Your Subsciber on the West Coast Los Angeles
Great video. Happy New Year Tom. My great deal was finding my 1957 356A T1 in a garage 2020 where it had been sitting for 43 years.
Wow, that's a rare find!
Good vid!!! Always wanted a Porsche 928 like in Risky Buisness!!! Oh and its gotta be a stick shift
happy new year tom!!! great video! at the rate porsche parts cost nowadays, one has to be smart and patient AND it really pays to be mechanically inclined!
Especially if you have a 944.
Happy New Year! Look forward to 2022 and hopefully meeting you!
Used off Pelican forum. Damn but they are going up.
Yes, I love pelican for the parts and forums too!
When I went looking for a 914 project car I found a fellow with two. I wanted the ‘73 which was $700. But for $1,200 I could get it and the ‘72 and that’s what I did. The other had an uncracked windshield, a carburetted engined with the fuel injection system in the truck, 5.5 inch a western aluminum wheels, one of those racing rear view mirrors that is in sections all across the windshield, a cool little spoiler, rear Koni shocks and an engine that I can sell. In all, well over what I paid for both.
Nice! Those are fun cars!
Happy New Year Tom! Very similar to the Jaguar world except our tax is much, much lower. My best deal is two Jaguar XJ6 Series One (one without engine and tranny, the other running) for $3,000.
Great deal!
"Attracted to junk". My garage agrees, but I think by percentage my Porsche parts stash has made me more than my 401K... FYI for those reading, Ebay and other online sales sites are now (2022 on) required to report with a 1099 for TOTAL sales exceeding $600. Keep a spreadsheet like Tom said with your original prices so you only pay taxes on your profit.
Very good point about the taxes! I sell on Amazon too and they certainly report income too.
I have folders of receipts and tons of spreadsheets documenting expenses.
My engine stand parts business expenses such as storage and shop supplies also offset my sales.
I've seen other guys on UA-cam report their projects as business expenses which I think is valid, but I haven't done that yet. In that case I could report a loss!
Thanks for sharing! I wish I had a great deal story, but I just started gathering parts. Time will tell I guess. Is there information on parts compatibility between the years available? For example, would a door from 79 fit on a 68 911? Happy new year!
One of my books has cross reference between 356 and VW, but I'm not aware of something similar for 911. There should be because the 911 had such a long run.
The doors will fit from 65 to 89, but of course there are differences such as power window holes, mirror holes, crash bars etc.
Best advice is to study pictures from various websites and then post a question on Pelican parts. Or call my friend Efren at air-cooled exclusive. He knows what's compatible and he sells them.
@@GarageTimeAutoResto Hi - which book crosses between 356 and VW? Thanks
I did the same thing with my 912e Sold off all the stock FI parts and other bundles of parts and now I’m in the car for free running on a dual knockoff Weber 40s on a 2000 cc type 4 bus motor
Way to go! Those are good engines
@@GarageTimeAutoResto thanks I’ll send you some pics on Facebook, have to swap ignition switches when I get home 🤦♂️
#hardstartrelay
@@GarageTimeAutoResto lol 😂 watched that video a bunch and yes cooked a expensive ignition once I just can’t remember which one of the two I have
Restoring a P car is so painful. I just dropped 5k on brake calipers for my 930 project and I was happy just to get them
Turbo is a whole new level❤️❤️
@@GarageTimeAutoResto it’s a far cry from scaring up cheap secondhand stuff for my 914 at swap meets…it’s painful 😂😂
seems we are in the same city, if you ever need a helping hand, I'm your guy!
Cool, send me an email
I’m newly back in SoCal; what’s the best way to find out about the swap meets & other Porsche gatherings?
Welcome back. There are a few Facebook groups for socal Porsche gatherings, but I can remember the name of them. Join a few clubs too if you have time.
Don't miss the 356 clubs swap in Feb March, la toy and lit show, pamona swap is every other month, long beach swap alternates with pamona.
ok I am Needing two Fenders for my 1966 911 can you push me in the right way for them or if you know someone with used ones that would work. thanks in Advance. Chris
Ok I'll keep my eye out. Email me if you want.
Hey Tom I might have posted this to another one of your videos, but it should have been here, can you point me in the right direction to get some 1964 356C parking brake shoes, without the hi Porscha tax?
Shoes? You should have disc brake pads. Sierra Madre has affordable ones.
Hey Tom I have disc brakes all around but I need parking brake shoes not disc pads, FYI Sierra does have some at $100 less approx than others so thank you for this advice.@@GarageTimeAutoResto
Hey Tom, I found another way to beat the Porsche Tax, did not want to pay the high prices to get a new set of parking brake shoes, so took my cores into a local brake shoe and pad reliner company here in Toronto, I will be picking them up on Monday all done, for the cost of less than $40US complete.
PS you were asking what the two holes in the back of the engine bay were for and you thought they might be for access to the tail lights, I think that they are there to allow better airflow through the engine compartment?
there probably is not a cross reference for parts, same part with more than one car make application. How do you find these? Glad to hear "ATE" pronounced correctly.
Thanks! I guessed on ATE...
I suppose the Porsche PET catalog can be used to check what part numbers fit on various cars. Sometimes there are 914 944 parts that interchange for example.
Only guys with experience will know what will actually still fit and still work.
@@GarageTimeAutoResto well I hear people pronounce it as a proper noun when it fact it is just the initials or the company owner Alfred Teves Enterprises.
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I call it "Brand Idiocy". It generally isn't the brand itself behind it either, it's us, the consumers. Some idiot somewhere decided that this generic part that says Ferrari on it should cost more than that identical part, made by the same company, that doesn't. Worse still, when that identical part is branded with a different, far less "valuable" name it will often be even cheaper than the generic, unlabeled part. Going with a brake caliper, the branding doesn't make it work better or worse, paying more for it doesn't make you smart. The only time there is a point to this is with period correct, used or new old stock parts for high end restorations. I still think it's dumb but I can kind of understand trying to preserve the "history" of a classic. It does make me laugh though, these high end restos are never what rolled off the factory floor when done, they are always too clean, too refined, too perfect so the "historically accurate" element goes right out the window. I guess if I was spending 100k+ on a resto job though, I would want everything perfect too. Therein lies the difference, those that do it themselves vs those that pay to have it done. The market is defined by the latter.
Idiocy is right. I for one refuse to pay these prices. I'd rather spend the time finding the equivalent part or fixing a used part.
I get how shops don't have time for this and just pass the cost on to the customers. They have that right to make money.
I recently had someone tell me that my car isn't worth as much because it wasn't restored by one of these shops. That's idiocy!
@@GarageTimeAutoResto I couldn't agree more about the stupidity of saying your cars are worth less. Sadly, by and large, your market is collectors. Collectors tend to know jack #@$ about what they collect outside of some cliff notes on what makes it valuable. That's why they want the assurance that it was "done right by a reputable shop". Again, those who do vs those who buy it already done. Like that collector in Australia that got stung by replicas. The shop was "reputable" in the eyes of their little collector community but it turned out they were a total sham and had been retrofitting cheaper models with upgraded parts and passing them off as original "rare" cars, kinda like turning a 67 fastback Mustang into a Shelby with a kit and selling it as a genuine Shelby.
But hey, the world didn't just suddenly get dumber, the internet just made it obvious :P
Well said. I'm inadvertently stuck in a tough spot due to fraud. There are two drivetrains that have the same serial numbers! I have one that has been stored for 30 years. Which one is real?
I am surprised by your own valuation of Porsche and your reluctance to adhere to the use of Porsche parts due to cost. Your 911 was manufactured in a time when oems used craft building techniques in the factory. This was before the implementation of Toyota’s lean manufacturing system by Porsche in the early nineties. Porsche built their manufacturing standards on the basis of reputation, not cost, prior to lean manufacturing. This is why their manufacturing standards are so high, as compared to other oems, and why their parts cost more, not because of some so-called Porsche tax. For example, until the late eighties, Porsche specified a cadmium and phosphate reduction plating requirement on all of their steel or cast iron components, when most oems use a zinc or nickel plate under paint for the same type of parts. Why, because cadmium has a superior corrosion resistance to nickel, and their plating process results in an oxidation reduction of the outer coating to further protect the underlying cadmium(ie sacrificial coating). But cadmium is poisonous, and costs a lot more to plate than a zinc or nickel phosphate. Hence, an ate caliper made out of cast iron or steel alloy, would have to undergo a more extensive plating process to be used by Porsche than if sold under ate brand name, or any other oem with different manufacturing standards. I am surprised that as an engineer this isn’t apparent to you, as engineers we all deal with standards, and every manufacturer uses s different standards even if they all initially adopted their standards from the same. So if you want to own a real Porsche with real Porsche parts, don’t resist buy the cheap aftermarket parts because your pocket book is more important to you than the engineering reputation of Porsche.
Most of the hardware is not cad plated. Its yellow zinc starting in the early 70's. Many of the same vendors supplied BMW Mercedes and Porsche during the 70's and 80's so I don't think Porsche is leaps and bound of higher quality than other german OEM's. I think they are on the same level. Porsche's brand reputation and strong vintage following is absolutely inflating catalog prices. I gave several examples of identical parts that cost more from Porsche. Don't believe for a second that Porsche's quality control is good on their vintage parts. Vintage Bosch parts are notorousily bad today. So much so, I use good originals whenever possible.
Also note that Porsche almost went bankrupt when your car was built. The entire company sold less than 5000 cars in a year which is below the 356 area of production. Porsche was in bad shape and needed to change. If it wasn't for the Boxster and the Cayenne Porsche wouldn't exist today.
No, you are wrong about the plating. Up until the eighties Porsche used cadmium dichromate with a phosphate reduction. The aerospace still specifies cadmium because of the superior corrosion resistance as measured in hours in a corrosion test despite the fact that osha outlawed the use of cadmium in the plating process due to the poison gases it emits. After the nineties Porsche went to a nickel zinc dichromate phosphate reduction plating process. If you ever purchased a new old stock steel part and compared it to a new part of the same you would see the difference in appearance between the two parts because the coating thickness of cadmium would be different than the corresponding nickel zinc layer. In fact, here in Michigan, you can still get cadmium as a base coating from some independent players.@@GarageTimeAutoResto As a supplier quality engineer for one of the big three here in Michigan, I know how parts are engineered by different oems in the auto industry. When you look at the Porsche 951, the aluminum cylinder head was cast with ceramic liners in the exhaust port to keep the heat energy in the exhaust gases for the turbo. The engine block was cast with alusil, which is a 6000 series aluminum. Even GM would not use aluminum for their engine block without cast iron liners. The level of technology in engineering and materials used in the Porsche 951 is evidence of a vehicle that was engineered to a very high standard, not evidence of a company on the brink of bankruptcy. In fact, the 1988 Porsche was produced with dual airbags as standard equipment, nearly 7 years ahead of corvette.
Here's a link regarding the switch to ZInc plating much earlier than you suggest.
www.early911sregistry.org/forums/showthread.php?78908-When-did-Porsche-transition-from-silver-cad-plating-to-gold-cad-plating-on-911-s/page2
It doesn't really matter anyway, because the parts supply today isn't OEM cad for sure. Go ahead and pay the Porsche tax. Or good luck buying NOS stock.
I will continue to make sensible decisions on build quality without breaking the bank.
If you aren't a fan, then that's ok too. I certainly can't please everyone.