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EckhartsLadder Could you do a video about the Mass effect fleets like this? For example fifth alliance fleet? Composition and tactics etc. You do amasing space och fantasy videos. Would’t know anyone better.
The Nebula class and whatever the name of the fleet carrier was are some of my favorite designs from legends. It’s a real shame we likely won’t see anything like them again in canon. (Well, at least serving the post Endor new republic).
@@aaravtulsyan I'm aware, and I agree with it so much that I have no respect for Disney, not just for buying Star Wars from its one true owner, not just for retconning everything before, between, and after the original and prequel trilogies, but also for ruining the government which the Rebels become.
@@avonthesageoc4980 I just discussed it with my mom, and it turns out the article is false. It says that the sequel trilogy was removed from Disney+, but I checked, and they weren't. My mom also said that she doesn't think the Supreme Court would bother with Star Wars. Edit: It turns out that Babylon Bee is a satire sight, so the whole article is fake.
The New Republic 5th Fleet is my favorite Star wars Fleet, its ships are powerful sleek and deadly. Despite being smaller than their Imperial counterparts they both outgunned and outmaneuvered the Imperial ships. It is sad that the New jedi Order books failed to use this fleet more than they did, or even reference the ships of the New class program, but I am happy with what we got! Endurance class for the win!
I love the Nebula class destroyer but I'm not a fan of the Endurance carrier. As a fleet carrier, I think the Venator is a much better ship, even considering we would have to reduce its complement size should we replace the Actis Eta-2 and V-Wing by A-Wing and X-Wing. This is of course considering the technological caused by time have been nullified to have a fair comparison
Loïc van der Wielen I disagree, the Venators Hangars especially the main one was far to exposed while the Endurance offered smaller and more numerous hangars to deploy from. As a carrier it is exactly what the New Republic needed, granted it could do with a few more turbolasers or torpedo tubes. Also the E-Wing is an excellent starfighter for the Endurance to carry.
I love the idea of how they tried to modernize, bringing us awesome ships like the endurance mc90 and viscount, but we’re held back by bureaucrats. Especially because of something Leia says in the Hand of Thrawn duology, saying (in one of the turrets of the Falcon) that if she were in the NR senate, they’d still be holding a debate over which button to press
Personally I like the fleet, as it highlights a doctrinal change in New Republic fleet strategy, particularly in terms of capital ships. This really helped in the long run, as this was no longer a rebel force that could conduct hit and run operations and avoid serious engagements. The New Republic needed staying power. Also, I disagree with you about the K-Wing. I love the ship, as it basically looks and functions like the Star Wars version of the A-10 Warthog. I’d say its only real weakness is that it requires 3 men to crew it, but it’s essentially a bomber/heavy weapons platform, so it’s able to get away with that.
Nebula, Endurance, and K-Wing> than the joke of a fleet that Disney had. The heavy bombers in the movie would have worked well with K-wing and X-Wing support. I love the A-10 comparison.
I miss Legends lore. I more I think about it, the more I notice the complete lack of lore being added by Disney and the constant perpetual suffering the main characters seem to go through. We went from happy action-packed lore with some downsides to Leia is under political attack, Han and Leia spilt up and Han loses the Falcon, Luke goes basket-case... WTF happened... YEAH, I like Fifth Fleet.
i agree, the people at diseny and diseny LUCASFILM have no idea what the hell they are doing!!!! what happened to all the guys that created all the prequel ships, fighters, characters, weapons, lore????? did they all quit when Lucas sold the franchise to Disney???
The Lore was really focused on the main characters for a log, long time as well. Once we get past episode IX, I believe the era will open up more and we will start seeing eveything between TLJ and TFA fleshed out. But, yes, Disney did not have an overall master plan for the movies, or even the franchise more generally. That is why the best parts of the Disney Star Wars era have been pretty much everything outside of Episodes 7 and 8.
tHeWasTeDYouTh oh they know exactly what they’re doing....grinding down the previous main characters to prop up the new hotness, cause the story was always about them from the beginning. Urgh.
This once again proves the New Republic from canon made a *horrible mistake* in shrinking their military. Rather than trying to defend themselves, they made themselves more helpless then ever. (NOTE: This isn't hating on the canon New Republic, just pointing out their flaws as a government in their universe in general) (NOTE 2: This is hating on the canon New Republic. My optimism of the Disney canon is gone)
It is like moving into a dangerous neighborhood with murderers, thieves and pirates, kicking out most of them past the gate, and then announce that you've downgraded your arsenal from automatic rifles down to pistols, and that they are only kept in a gun safe in one spot in your house... I understand the reason for making the New Republic do that, but it is so backwards and illogical, nobody would have realistically followed through on such a terrible idea... The only way most worlds of the Galaxy would comply with such a foolish order, would be if each planet or system were allowed to keep a sizeable defensive fleet and army of their own, to protect against pirates and hostile remnants.
I think that was the idea. The New Republic in canon seems very libertarian. "To each their own" when it comes to states, in this case, planetetary governments. But still need a galactic government to keep law and order, but very limited so they don't become tyrannical. Problem is.....well, the remnants of the Empire and neo Imperials are still a thing.....and very dedicated and organized...
Why would you not hate on canon NR? They’re a bunch of idiots. Not their fault though, since they’re only like that because of the irl idiotic writers. New canon sucks compared to Legends lore like this lmao
Milk 7504 I think he means they could've done things differently instead of building big ships that are easy to destroy. It's not that the Death Star or SSDs are not effective, it's just that they could've done it differently that would have made it more effective.
Yeah, that was the only good picture of the Battle of Orinda, the great untold Legends story of a conflict between Pellaeon, Ackbar and Wedge. It gets mentioned for the first time very briefly in the Black Fleet trilogy itself.
Marin Eduard in Legends the Republic faced multiple crises that still barely kept the Senate from downsizing the military. I’m Canon because the Imperials fled into the Unknown regions and there was no Ssi Ruvi, Black Fleet crises, or other threats there was no need for a powerful military and Senate didn’t want to pay for one or give the impression they were a new Empire so they reduced their military by 90%. The New Republic in Canon was kind of a mirror of early American history where the new nation didn’t want any central authority because of what they just went through and created the first and utterly ineffective government under the Articles of Confederation. I actually really enjoy the concept even though I’d obviously love to see a trilogy set during the YZV war.
Stephen Jenkins The act was passed before the battle of Jakku but it was a gradual process. It’s also worth noting that most military ships weren’t scrapped but given back to sector and planetary defense forces, which was basically a direct reversion to the Post-Rusaan Republic era
Stephen Jenkins No enemies where alive and kicking. Ateast sothe new republic thought. Jakku was to be decisive victory to cripple the empire and it did. According to the new republic there was no threat. They did win. The thing is that these people have seen war and terror for what. 4 or 5 decades?! Enough is enough. If there is no sizeable military there is no opportunity for war
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Pseudonymous Being Said every conquered country ever Edit: It's called a deterrence, and it's been a staple of world and galactic politics since ever. More than that; the Remnant was still around. Even if they followed the provisions of the treaty, it's always better to not be stupid and have a sizable military
I liked the 5th fleet because it showcased the new ship designs of the new republic in a time when they were overusing old galactic civil war era ships that were honestly holding back the concept of the new republic as a faction since they seemed too scared to use new designs to distinguish it from previous factions
This new republic is better than its canon version as it actually saw the threats to it and responded apropriatly rather then just ignoring it completely and disbanding its entire military.
One of the things that I am most unclear about in Star Wars Legends lore is the transition from the New Republic to the Galactic Alliance and all the differences between them. I'd love to see a video about that!
Robert Nelson I feel like a victory is too heavily armed compared to the Recusant to make it a fair fight. The Recusant is mostly armed with laser cannons, lacking turbolasers unlike the Victory. Changed it to MC75.
Really wish they hadn’t changed the New Republic so much in the new canon. The sequel trilogy really lacks the scale I think everyone would like to see since they all got completely wiped out in the first film. Still like the new films though.
Master Chief Petty Officer in Legends the Republic faced multiple crises that still barely kept the Senate from downsizing the military. I’m Canon because the Imperials fled into the Unknown regions and there was no Ssi Ruvi, Black Fleet crises, or other threats there was no need for a powerful military and Senate didn’t want to pay for one or give the impression they were a new Empire so they reduced their military by 90%. The New Republic in Canon was kind of a mirror of early American history where the new nation didn’t want any central authority because of what they just went through and created the first and utterly ineffective government under the Articles of Confederation. I actually really enjoy the concept even though I’d obviously love to see a trilogy set during the YZV war.
The Republic wasn't really wiped out. They lost their itinerant capital. Eh. More politicians will squirm their to the new capital. The real problem with the new trilogy is that 7 and 8 happen one right after the other. There is no room for them to breathe, for the plot to develop or anything else. It is like wham bam presto bango. Imagine if Empire took place right after Hope. It would not have worked at all. The heroes did not have a chance to learn or grow off camera. They are the same people in, basically, the same moment in time.
The thing I always hated about the new Republic was there strong aversion to military proliferation. Time and time again with in the Starwars universe the republic or some version of it has been threatened by an outside military force and caught off guard due to their lack of military Doctrine. It was a big reason why the Republic fell and why the new Republic would fall because they just keep trying to demilitarize when they're surrounded by hostile enemies.
Plus they don't have a widespread, organized cult of Force wielding monks to help take on the probably Sith-related threat/invasion like the Old Republic.
That's why the old republic was literally the best an strongest republic in star wars history. It lasted far longer than any of the other factions we know of
This would have been better if it was canon. Ep8 sees the remaining "rebel" fleet a massive formation of New Republic ships, that way we get to see some new ships that are clearly "the good guys".
I wouldn't have minded the possibility of seeing the New Republic's legends ships appear in canon in some way. Heck, if they wind up making a lost New Republic carrier the new Resistance flagship, that would be pretty awesome. Then again...I doubt it.
They might still be able to. If the New Republic still has assets (I'm pretty sure the entire NR Navy was not in the Hosnian system), they could make the 5th fleet canon by saying it is a powerful fleet that was not there and withdrew to the Unknown Regions to await orders.
Kyber Cat you obviously didn’t get to far into the EU. Outside the Thrawn Trilogy, Dark Empire, Tales of the Jedi, Shadows of the Empire, Jedi Trilogy, and the Courtship of Princess Leia the rest of the EU was crap
Awesome video, EckhartsLadder :) And it's great to see a fellow EaW fan. I wonder, would you make a video on the SWEU/Legends post-Endor New Republic/Galactic Alliance capital ships, like the Republic- and Nebula-class Star Destroyers, Strident-class Star Defenders, Bothan Assault Cruisers, MC90s, etc? :)
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Eck mentioned before that Halo's weapons are stupidly stronger than Mass Effect's, Mass Effect tried to use more realistic numbers when making their weapons which makes their power almost nothing against any other sci-fi universe. Halo's weapons are, in most cases at least a 100x times stronger. Hell in the Mass Effect timeline, the Systems Alliance is only about 40 years old during the events of Mass Effect 3, not to mention the fact that basically every space fairing species in the series is reliant on reaper tech, which has (intentionally) stunted their innovation of better space fairing methods.
I really love the designs of the New-Class ships. I really hope that the New Republic's defense fleets take some inspiration in this in terms of the look and shape of these ships, since they look like a great hybrid between Old Republic, Rebel Alliance, and Imperial ships, though I'm not much of a fan of the whole "visible bridge" aesthetic. The neck between the rest of the ship and the bridge should be shorter, but other than that, they're probably one of my favorite designs.
Neat battle footage, what is the source? Either way, I do love the Endurance and the Nebula classes. The Endurance is a perfect ship for the New Republic's fighter heavy naval doctrine and the Nebula is an answer to the IS2. A modern, more efficient star destroyer with none of the weaknesses of its predecessor. The sleek designs are also very appealing.
What's that cutscene with the rebel fleet? With some E-Wings, a Nebulon B and Nebulon B2 (?). I've watched several times but have no idea where it's from. Minute 1:41
Eckharts Ladder Idea for future video Separatists Army vs Cylons from Battlestar Galactica Remake Snoke's Star Destroyer vs Harvesters Capital Ship from Independence Day 2 MasterChief and Spartan Locke vs Captain Rex and Commander Cody Vader and Palpatine vs Edward and Alphonse Elric From Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood
Probably not because almost all of their ships were destroyed in the force awakens and in the Last jedi the resistance fleet was destroyed too and their aren't any more ships left to use
Hey Eck, two things. After watching your quick video on the Last Jedi it made me reconsider how i felt about the new saga. I re-watched both episode 7 and 8 and have to say you are pretty spot on about the 8th movie unfortunately... My proposition for videos today are as follows. I would love for you to talk about the in universe science behind a hyperspace ram and if it is indeed possible to ram 1 let alone several ships through hyperspace. My second idea is for a new series. I would love for you to take an iconic "supercapital" ship like the eclipse, give it a small escort fleet and pin it against a fleet that would leave the playing field even. The fleet make up and size would be completely up to you; whatever you feel stands a chance against the super's. I personally would love to see videos like this because they would help me understand the power of these supercapital ships and I have a feeling you would have very interesting fleet composition and dialog
benny chesney the Hyperspace Ram isn’t a new concept in SW there’s a mission in Battlefront 2 where you have to cripple a rebel cruiser before it does it to your ship.
JacatackLP was it in the original battle front 2 game or the new one? There is a Generation Tech video I found recently on what i was asking in terms of hyperspace ramming: ua-cam.com/video/dAoIHNJl9zA/v-deo.html
The intro to the Imperial invasion of Yavin IV, post-Death Star explosion, has your CO say, 'they'll rip/tear (?) right through us' if the Rebel Home One and CR90 and/or GR75 transports (?) jump to lightspeed. This is in the campaign of the 2005 Battlefront II as you suggested.
Hey EckhartsLadder, do the blacklight virus and or the flood vs the necromorphs, like if all 3 galaxies were to collide and the flood would encounter both blacklight and necromorphs and would see the necromorphs as a bigger threat to them and would make an alliance with the blacklight virus, in this scenario the flood would have just created a gravemind and the blacklight virus would have completely taken over planet earth and the sea would be ruled by Alex Mercer and all landmass would belong to some other super being attempt 11
Hello I enjoyed Parts letter immensely I love hearing about the Egyptian the analogies of one-on-one matches and battle fleas I love the Old Navy history and I had a video game called Road Squad made by Factor V for the Nintendo which had shown the chips in it iCare a carrier Imperial carrier I haven't seen any of that pop up but I guess they don't get around to all the video games that come up with new ships he had the V Wing in it and a shuttle that I don't see in any of the movies assuming it's something made up by Factor V anyway I enjoyed the video and I love to fish sleep I like all Star Wars vessels have a good night and May the force be with you
Sergeant Johnson vs. Captain Rex, The Flood vs. Autobots (can the autobots defend humanity against a small flood infestation), Darth Vader vs. The Didact
can you make a video dedicated to only warhammer 40k? consider i find it weird when i was playing dark crusade and soul storm that you fight the people serving under the emperor and machine gods, when you are doing it to. for example battle sister vs imperial vs space marine in soul storm (when playing as either of the three) space marine vs imperial in dark crusade (when playing as either of the two) also. call me an idiot but why is the tau fighting imperial if they sometimes cooperate/serve the emperor. or did i get it wrong? i don't know. i just saw in the tau empire vs governant that the tau was first at the stone age in the beginning of 40k but early on developed space travel and that they served under something.
this is why I stand by legends even with the holes in it. politics, industry and people are just as important to the storytelling as war, the force and the jedi/sith
Hey Elkharts can you do flood (halo) vs infested (warframe)? Love your versus series and wonder if you see how the infested fit into some scenarios, I figure infested would be similar to the flood in most cases, but I wonder which is deadliest in a vs.
The 5th Fleet was perhaps one of the coolest aspects of the Legends timeline. I was sorely disappointed when the new movies decided to change things so that the Republic Fleet was still using MC80s for some reason. Not that we got to see the Fleet do anything anyway, except get blown up...
Throw a question in the chat, it works every time XD Thanks Chris, would have taken me forever to find it in the sheer mass of fighters on Wookiepedia by myself.
Suggestion sword fleet mass effect 3 vs galaxy alliance fleet at yuzhan tar or systems alliance fleet at earth mass effect 3 vs unsc fleet defense earth (yuzhan tar suggested 13 times earth defense fleets suggested 2 times)
Look me in the face and say the book Tyrant's Test Battle of ILC-905 was not riveting and exciting and edge of the seat. Long live Expanded Universe, and well done author Michael McDowell.
What do you think about A ship called the eclipse with the first order? Do you think it is the real deal? And if so will we see a sovereign class as well? Or will it, disappointingly like most of the new canon, just be another executor
Hey man, know it's been a while since you've done a starship versus. What do you think of the Nebula star destroyer vs an Imperial Star Destroyer Mk II
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EckhartsLadder Could you do a video about the Mass effect fleets like this?
For example fifth alliance fleet?
Composition and tactics etc.
You do amasing space och fantasy videos. Would’t know anyone better.
EckhartsLadder new republic 5th fleet vs first order fleets In Star Wars last jedi
Eckharts you would use Thrawns Revenge Footage for Legends videos
I have the mod. But don't seem to be able to do the era progressive maps, why is that.
Resurgence Star Destroyer vs Nebula Star Destroyer. Or if the Resurgence is too overpowered, 2 Nebulas.
The Nebula class and whatever the name of the fleet carrier was are some of my favorite designs from legends. It’s a real shame we likely won’t see anything like them again in canon. (Well, at least serving the post Endor new republic).
That carriers name is Endurance class fleet carrier
I loved the design for the Nebula and Endurance class ships, very sleek and a mix of new and old.
New Republic had a good fleet and army in legends as compared to the "pacifist" canon new republic
I, like George Lucas, will never forgive Disney for retconning Legends.
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@@aaravtulsyan I'm aware, and I agree with it so much that I have no respect for Disney, not just for buying Star Wars from its one true owner, not just for retconning everything before, between, and after the original and prequel trilogies, but also for ruining the government which the Rebels become.
@@keatonburton6064 im so happy this one court case has now made the sequal trilogy non cannon
@@avonthesageoc4980 I just discussed it with my mom, and it turns out the article is false. It says that the sequel trilogy was removed from Disney+, but I checked, and they weren't. My mom also said that she doesn't think the Supreme Court would bother with Star Wars.
Edit: It turns out that Babylon Bee is a satire sight, so the whole article is fake.
This fleet was actually impressive,most impressive.
The New Republic 5th Fleet is my favorite Star wars Fleet, its ships are powerful sleek and deadly. Despite being smaller than their Imperial counterparts they both outgunned and outmaneuvered the Imperial ships. It is sad that the New jedi Order books failed to use this fleet more than they did, or even reference the ships of the New class program, but I am happy with what we got! Endurance class for the win!
I've got the author's own page on the fleet and other book details, if you like: www.alternities.com/html/blackfleet.htm
I love the Nebula class destroyer but I'm not a fan of the Endurance carrier. As a fleet carrier, I think the Venator is a much better ship, even considering we would have to reduce its complement size should we replace the Actis Eta-2 and V-Wing by A-Wing and X-Wing. This is of course considering the technological caused by time have been nullified to have a fair comparison
Loïc van der Wielen I disagree, the Venators Hangars especially the main one was far to exposed while the Endurance offered smaller and more numerous hangars to deploy from. As a carrier it is exactly what the New Republic needed, granted it could do with a few more turbolasers or torpedo tubes. Also the E-Wing is an excellent starfighter for the Endurance to carry.
Chris sonofPear Thanks I appreciate it!
I much prefer the imperial Byss Defense fleet personally
I love the idea of how they tried to modernize, bringing us awesome ships like the endurance mc90 and viscount, but we’re held back by bureaucrats. Especially because of something Leia says in the Hand of Thrawn duology, saying (in one of the turrets of the Falcon) that if she were in the NR senate, they’d still be holding a debate over which button to press
Great comment, the Black Fleet crisis shows it well also
By the way, here's the page from author Michael McDowell's official site, discussing the Fifth Fleet and other plot elements.
www.alternities.com/html/blackfleet.htm
Ultimately, the New Republic was plagued by the same bureaucracy headaches and political opportunists that ultimately undid the Old Republic
that quote is SO TRUE!
lol that just made me crack up, thanks for putting a smile on somebody's face today :D
Personally I like the fleet, as it highlights a doctrinal change in New Republic fleet strategy, particularly in terms of capital ships. This really helped in the long run, as this was no longer a rebel force that could conduct hit and run operations and avoid serious engagements. The New Republic needed staying power. Also, I disagree with you about the K-Wing. I love the ship, as it basically looks and functions like the Star Wars version of the A-10 Warthog. I’d say its only real weakness is that it requires 3 men to crew it, but it’s essentially a bomber/heavy weapons platform, so it’s able to get away with that.
Andrew Parker The k wing is cool and I wish it was canon but in legends the new republic was cool.
Nebula, Endurance, and K-Wing> than the joke of a fleet that Disney had. The heavy bombers in the movie would have worked well with K-wing and X-Wing support. I love the A-10 comparison.
The 5th fleet puts respect on the new republic‘s name. Gives it real power that a government needs. Great video bro 👍🏻👍🏻
Keep’em rolling
I miss Legends lore. I more I think about it, the more I notice the complete lack of lore being added by Disney and the constant perpetual suffering the main characters seem to go through. We went from happy action-packed lore with some downsides to Leia is under political attack, Han and Leia spilt up and Han loses the Falcon, Luke goes basket-case... WTF happened... YEAH, I like Fifth Fleet.
There was a lot of the in Legends as well, just with Han and Leia's kids.
i agree, the people at diseny and diseny LUCASFILM have no idea what the hell they are doing!!!! what happened to all the guys that created all the prequel ships, fighters, characters, weapons, lore????? did they all quit when Lucas sold the franchise to Disney???
The Lore was really focused on the main characters for a log, long time as well. Once we get past episode IX, I believe the era will open up more and we will start seeing eveything between TLJ and TFA fleshed out.
But, yes, Disney did not have an overall master plan for the movies, or even the franchise more generally. That is why the best parts of the Disney Star Wars era have been pretty much everything outside of Episodes 7 and 8.
tHeWasTeDYouTh oh they know exactly what they’re doing....grinding down the previous main characters to prop up the new hotness, cause the story was always about them from the beginning.
Urgh.
This once again proves the New Republic from canon made a *horrible mistake* in shrinking their military. Rather than trying to defend themselves, they made themselves more helpless then ever.
(NOTE: This isn't hating on the canon New Republic, just pointing out their flaws as a government in their universe in general)
(NOTE 2: This is hating on the canon New Republic. My optimism of the Disney canon is gone)
I hate the irl decisions in making the New Republic that way.....Just an excuse for more rebels....
Yissnakk Jr right wish they made new ship design.
It is like moving into a dangerous neighborhood with murderers, thieves and pirates, kicking out most of them past the gate, and then announce that you've downgraded your arsenal from automatic rifles down to pistols, and that they are only kept in a gun safe in one spot in your house...
I understand the reason for making the New Republic do that, but it is so backwards and illogical, nobody would have realistically followed through on such a terrible idea... The only way most worlds of the Galaxy would comply with such a foolish order, would be if each planet or system were allowed to keep a sizeable defensive fleet and army of their own, to protect against pirates and hostile remnants.
I think that was the idea. The New Republic in canon seems very libertarian. "To each their own" when it comes to states, in this case, planetetary governments. But still need a galactic government to keep law and order, but very limited so they don't become tyrannical. Problem is.....well, the remnants of the Empire and neo Imperials are still a thing.....and very dedicated and organized...
Why would you not hate on canon NR? They’re a bunch of idiots. Not their fault though, since they’re only like that because of the irl idiotic writers. New canon sucks compared to Legends lore like this lmao
3:00 god i can just never get past how strange it is seeing those 2 perfectly good SSDs fighting each other. such a shame.
They were kind of a waste anyway.
i swear to god robert. i bet you hate the eclipse and the deathstar too. just because its big doesent mean it cant be useful.
Milk 7504 I think he means they could've done things differently instead of building big ships that are easy to destroy. It's not that the Death Star or SSDs are not effective, it's just that they could've done it differently that would have made it more effective.
Yeah, that was the only good picture of the Battle of Orinda, the great untold Legends story of a conflict between Pellaeon, Ackbar and Wedge. It gets mentioned for the first time very briefly in the Black Fleet trilogy itself.
Milk 7504, never, ever insult my love of giant badass spaceships!
This is a true powerfull republic armed with state of the art weapons . Not the stupid escuse in cannon
Marin Eduard in Legends the Republic faced multiple crises that still barely kept the Senate from downsizing the military. I’m Canon because the Imperials fled into the Unknown regions and there was no Ssi Ruvi, Black Fleet crises, or other threats there was no need for a powerful military and Senate didn’t want to pay for one or give the impression they were a new Empire so they reduced their military by 90%. The New Republic in Canon was kind of a mirror of early American history where the new nation didn’t want any central authority because of what they just went through and created the first and utterly ineffective government under the Articles of Confederation. I actually really enjoy the concept even though I’d obviously love to see a trilogy set during the YZV war.
Stephen Jenkins The act was passed before the battle of Jakku but it was a gradual process. It’s also worth noting that most military ships weren’t scrapped but given back to sector and planetary defense forces, which was basically a direct reversion to the Post-Rusaan Republic era
Stephen Jenkins
No enemies where alive and kicking. Ateast sothe new republic thought. Jakku was to be decisive victory to cripple the empire and it did. According to the new republic there was no threat. They did win. The thing is that these people have seen war and terror for what. 4 or 5 decades?! Enough is enough. If there is no sizeable military there is no opportunity for war
Pseudonymous Being Said every conquered country ever
Edit: It's called a deterrence, and it's been a staple of world and galactic politics since ever. More than that; the Remnant was still around. Even if they followed the provisions of the treaty, it's always better to not be stupid and have a sizable military
I liked the 5th fleet because it showcased the new ship designs of the new republic in a time when they were overusing old galactic civil war era ships that were honestly holding back the concept of the new republic as a faction since they seemed too scared to use new designs to distinguish it from previous factions
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This fleet should be canon and also amazing video.
This new republic is better than its canon version as it actually saw the threats to it and responded apropriatly rather then just ignoring it completely and disbanding its entire military.
"Responded appropriatly" these are the guys are the same guys Who shoved their head up their ass while TRILIONS were dying in the Galaxy
Buddy, that is not accurate at all. The New Republic in Legends was massively dysfunctional
One of the things that I am most unclear about in Star Wars Legends lore is the transition from the New Republic to the Galactic Alliance and all the differences between them. I'd love to see a video about that!
The GFFA in effect - Galaxy far far away...
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Nebula-class Star Destroyers/Defenders! One of the ships I would love to see in a movie, hopefully in episode IX.
I second that, but we're more likely to see the Starhawk-class before that...
Actually we are more likely to see Rey just use the force to destroy all the First Order ships just by looking at them.. Because Reysins...
You’ve never featured the Recusant Class in any video Eck, love that ship!
Recusant Class Light Destroyer vs Gladiator Class Star Destroyer
The Interdictor is not designed for direct conflict, I would have it fight a Victory class.
Robert Nelson I feel like a victory is too heavily armed compared to the Recusant to make it a fair fight. The Recusant is mostly armed with laser cannons, lacking turbolasers unlike the Victory. Changed it to MC75.
I feel like a better match for the Recusant would be something like the Alliance Assault Frigate
Bjorn Benoit I changed it again. Getting closer
Yeah, it seems like the Recusant isn't all that tough, besides it's shields and heaviest gun.
Amazing job well done my friend!
the last point, makes it sound like a Venator
Really wish they hadn’t changed the New Republic so much in the new canon. The sequel trilogy really lacks the scale I think everyone would like to see since they all got completely wiped out in the first film. Still like the new films though.
But instead, more empire vs rebels crap :/
Master Chief Petty Officer in Legends the Republic faced multiple crises that still barely kept the Senate from downsizing the military. I’m Canon because the Imperials fled into the Unknown regions and there was no Ssi Ruvi, Black Fleet crises, or other threats there was no need for a powerful military and Senate didn’t want to pay for one or give the impression they were a new Empire so they reduced their military by 90%. The New Republic in Canon was kind of a mirror of early American history where the new nation didn’t want any central authority because of what they just went through and created the first and utterly ineffective government under the Articles of Confederation. I actually really enjoy the concept even though I’d obviously love to see a trilogy set during the YZV war.
The Republic wasn't really wiped out. They lost their itinerant capital. Eh. More politicians will squirm their to the new capital.
The real problem with the new trilogy is that 7 and 8 happen one right after the other. There is no room for them to breathe, for the plot to develop or anything else. It is like wham bam presto bango. Imagine if Empire took place right after Hope. It would not have worked at all. The heroes did not have a chance to learn or grow off camera. They are the same people in, basically, the same moment in time.
I’d love to see the 5th fleet appear in canon and a canon/first order version of the Black Fleet.
Craig Harvey-Gurr that would be awesome.
Gerardo Reyes I can picture the 5th fleet being in the new trilogy.
The thing I always hated about the new Republic was there strong aversion to military proliferation. Time and time again with in the Starwars universe the republic or some version of it has been threatened by an outside military force and caught off guard due to their lack of military Doctrine. It was a big reason why the Republic fell and why the new Republic would fall because they just keep trying to demilitarize when they're surrounded by hostile enemies.
Yeah you think they would have learn from their mistakes.
Pacifism NEVER works when your neighbors all have swords and bad tempers.
Plus they don't have a widespread, organized cult of Force wielding monks to help take on the probably Sith-related threat/invasion like the Old Republic.
That's why the old republic was literally the best an strongest republic in star wars history. It lasted far longer than any of the other factions we know of
Beuwen The Dragon Tell that to Switzerland and Nepal. Pacifism works fine, as long as you have enough pointy swords of your own.
Omg that old school cutscene, Where is it from I forgot, was it X-wing?
Can you please do a video on Mon Cala sheildings ?
when ever i see a starwars lore video I hit like before watching it XD
For the New Republic. 😉
Orbital bombardment faceoff; Torpedo Sphere vs. Mandator IV
when LEGENDS has more awesome space ships/battles compared to the Disney Sequels you know it is all over for star wars.
Just a big thank you for covering original Star Wars content.
This would have been better if it was canon. Ep8 sees the remaining "rebel" fleet a massive formation of New Republic ships, that way we get to see some new ships that are clearly "the good guys".
For the republic
This Intro was on point Bro!
Yesss! Another fleet video
I wouldn't have minded the possibility of seeing the New Republic's legends ships appear in canon in some way. Heck, if they wind up making a lost New Republic carrier the new Resistance flagship, that would be pretty awesome.
Then again...I doubt it.
I would love to see a video maybe describing what the top 5 new class ships :) and this is a great video
damn that Nebula star destroyer is sexy
We'd see much better versions of Episodes VII and VIII if they stuck a bit closer to legends and included groups like the 5th Fleet.
They might still be able to. If the New Republic still has assets (I'm pretty sure the entire NR Navy was not in the Hosnian system), they could make the 5th fleet canon by saying it is a powerful fleet that was not there and withdrew to the Unknown Regions to await orders.
...or ANY Republic military. At all...
At this point i only pay attention to legends. disney star wars is just stupid.
But that would be cool and exciting, and we can't have anything like that :c
Kyber Cat you obviously didn’t get to far into the EU. Outside the Thrawn Trilogy, Dark Empire, Tales of the Jedi, Shadows of the Empire, Jedi Trilogy, and the Courtship of Princess Leia the rest of the EU was crap
Great video eck.
Have you ever made a video, or can you make a video about how the Mon Calamari became so good at making ships and how they make them?
So where is the fifth fleet at in the latest Star Wars Movies?
Next up should be about The Smuggler Alliance! Please!
Or about the best smuggler ever, Talon Karrde! 😊😁
All of the ships present at the battle of coruscant vs the byss fleet at the time of operation shadow hand. (Including the eclipse) 6th try
Awesome video, EckhartsLadder :) And it's great to see a fellow EaW fan.
I wonder, would you make a video on the SWEU/Legends post-Endor New Republic/Galactic Alliance capital ships, like the Republic- and Nebula-class Star Destroyers, Strident-class Star Defenders, Bothan Assault Cruisers, MC90s, etc? :)
You choose. Please like and comment a number, thank you 🙂
1) StarCraft vs Halo Can Reach survive a Zerg invasion?
2) 2 Harrower Dreadnaughts vs 1 Imperial Star Destroyer
3) Factions Compared Best Military Commander
4) Behemoth class Battlecruiser vs Venator Star Destroyer
5) Top 5 Imperial commanders from canon
6) Mandator Class Dreadnaught vs Resurgent class Battlecruiser
I actually like the new Republics 5th Fleet is really cool so it seems that the new Republic have their own star Destroyers really cool
Trench Fleet vs Thrawn Fleet
Mass Effect Universe (With Reapers) vs Covenant
Mass Effect Universe (Minus Reapers) vs UNSC
Eck mentioned before that Halo's weapons are stupidly stronger than Mass Effect's, Mass Effect tried to use more realistic numbers when making their weapons which makes their power almost nothing against any other sci-fi universe. Halo's weapons are, in most cases at least a 100x times stronger. Hell in the Mass Effect timeline, the Systems Alliance is only about 40 years old during the events of Mass Effect 3, not to mention the fact that basically every space fairing species in the series is reliant on reaper tech, which has (intentionally) stunted their innovation of better space fairing methods.
You should do a video on Palpatine's family. I am very interested about what happened to them after or before the empire.
I really love the designs of the New-Class ships. I really hope that the New Republic's defense fleets take some inspiration in this in terms of the look and shape of these ships, since they look like a great hybrid between Old Republic, Rebel Alliance, and Imperial ships, though I'm not much of a fan of the whole "visible bridge" aesthetic. The neck between the rest of the ship and the bridge should be shorter, but other than that, they're probably one of my favorite designs.
Neat battle footage, what is the source? Either way, I do love the Endurance and the Nebula classes. The Endurance is a perfect ship for the New Republic's fighter heavy naval doctrine and the Nebula is an answer to the IS2. A modern, more efficient star destroyer with none of the weaknesses of its predecessor. The sleek designs are also very appealing.
Please do a video on the Eternal Fleet.
What's that cutscene with the rebel fleet? With some E-Wings, a Nebulon B and Nebulon B2 (?). I've watched several times but have no idea where it's from. Minute 1:41
It's the Battle of Kamino from TFUII
No E-Wings there, just some R-41 Starchasers.
EckhartsLadder Thanks :3
X-83 Twintail vs. Tie Defender (the Legends version)
are we even sure episode 7-8-9 are canon ?
Vibes of Truth Unfortunately, they are.
At this point I am rejecting reality, and saying NO.
episode 7-8-9? never heard of such things, but I have seen some shite made Lucas film that's a rip off of starwars XD
I do not consider them canon.
I’m someone who enjoys Fallout 4 & Fallout 76, & even I hated the Star Wars sequel trilogy enough to see them as non-canon.
I know it’s unlikely, but I’d live to see these guys in episode IX
Eckharts Ladder
Idea for future video
Separatists Army vs Cylons from Battlestar Galactica Remake
Snoke's Star Destroyer vs Harvesters Capital Ship from Independence Day 2
MasterChief and Spartan Locke vs Captain Rex and Commander Cody
Vader and Palpatine vs Edward and Alphonse Elric From Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood
Let’s hope that the canon 5th fleet is headed by some cool ships.
Probably not because almost all of their ships were destroyed in the force awakens and in the Last jedi the resistance fleet was destroyed too and their aren't any more ships left to use
Hmph
Suggestion: Witch Goa'uld System lord had the most powerful fleets, before raise of anubis? Since he was most powerful when returned.
Whoo! For the Republic!
Great video
Imagine during the last jedi when snokes fleet attacks the rebels base that a massive republic fleet just shows up and then it's a huge space battle
What background is the space battle at 1:35
Hey Eck, two things. After watching your quick video on the Last Jedi it made me reconsider how i felt about the new saga. I re-watched both episode 7 and 8 and have to say you are pretty spot on about the 8th movie unfortunately... My proposition for videos today are as follows. I would love for you to talk about the in universe science behind a hyperspace ram and if it is indeed possible to ram 1 let alone several ships through hyperspace. My second idea is for a new series. I would love for you to take an iconic "supercapital" ship like the eclipse, give it a small escort fleet and pin it against a fleet that would leave the playing field even. The fleet make up and size would be completely up to you; whatever you feel stands a chance against the super's. I personally would love to see videos like this because they would help me understand the power of these supercapital ships and I have a feeling you would have very interesting fleet composition and dialog
benny chesney the Hyperspace Ram isn’t a new concept in SW there’s a mission in Battlefront 2 where you have to cripple a rebel cruiser before it does it to your ship.
JacatackLP was it in the original battle front 2 game or the new one? There is a Generation Tech video I found recently on what i was asking in terms of hyperspace ramming: ua-cam.com/video/dAoIHNJl9zA/v-deo.html
benny chesney the old one, and one sec I’ll check it out
The intro to the Imperial invasion of Yavin IV, post-Death Star explosion, has your CO say, 'they'll rip/tear (?) right through us' if the Rebel Home One and CR90 and/or GR75 transports (?) jump to lightspeed. This is in the campaign of the 2005 Battlefront II as you suggested.
The relevant (and opening) mission objective was to destroy the Home One's engines (and the CR90s or GR75s?) before they make the jump.
how about for a Versus match you try the Mammoth MK2 from command and conquer vs the AT-AT. it would be a nice match for both walkers
Hey Eck do you plan on posting like some art about what you think your perfect flagship would look like?
I wonder if we will get to see the new class ships in the next star wars sequel
Hey EckhartsLadder, do the blacklight virus and or the flood vs the necromorphs, like if all 3 galaxies were to collide and the flood would encounter both blacklight and necromorphs and would see the necromorphs as a bigger threat to them and would make an alliance with the blacklight virus, in this scenario the flood would have just created a gravemind and the blacklight virus would have completely taken over planet earth and the sea would be ruled by Alex Mercer and all landmass would belong to some other super being
attempt 11
AHA didint sneak past me this time.
Hello I enjoyed Parts letter immensely I love hearing about the Egyptian the analogies of one-on-one matches and battle fleas I love the Old Navy history and I had a video game called Road Squad made by Factor V for the Nintendo which had shown the chips in it iCare a carrier Imperial carrier I haven't seen any of that pop up but I guess they don't get around to all the video games that come up with new ships he had the V Wing in it and a shuttle that I don't see in any of the movies assuming it's something made up by Factor V anyway I enjoyed the video and I love to fish sleep I like all Star Wars vessels have a good night and May the force be with you
Viscount vs. Finalizer
Still a better fleet than swr had
anyway, great video eck! 👍
Well the New Republic Fifth Fleet is definitely better than the one in The Last Jedi. Seriously, Houdo was a god awful Admiral.
Sergeant Johnson vs. Captain Rex, The Flood vs. Autobots (can the autobots defend humanity against a small flood infestation), Darth Vader vs. The Didact
They should make a yuuzhan vong movie during the new republic i think that would be good
can you make a video dedicated to only warhammer 40k? consider i find it weird when i was playing dark crusade and soul storm that you fight the people serving under the emperor and machine gods, when you are doing it to. for example battle sister vs imperial vs space marine in soul storm (when playing as either of the three) space marine vs imperial in dark crusade (when playing as either of the two) also. call me an idiot but why is the tau fighting imperial if they sometimes cooperate/serve the emperor. or did i get it wrong? i don't know. i just saw in the tau empire vs governant that the tau was first at the stone age in the beginning of 40k but early on developed space travel and that they served under something.
this is why I stand by legends even with the holes in it. politics, industry and people are just as important to the storytelling as war, the force and the jedi/sith
Hey Elkharts can you do flood (halo) vs infested (warframe)?
Love your versus series and wonder if you see how the infested fit into some scenarios, I figure infested would be similar to the flood in most cases, but I wonder which is deadliest in a vs.
Could you do a Flood invasion vs the Starcraft Universe? Im talking vs all three races minus hybrids. Or just a Zerg vs Flood?
Best Star Wars admiral!!! Bwatuu vs thrawn vs ackbar
The 5th Fleet was perhaps one of the coolest aspects of the Legends timeline. I was sorely disappointed when the new movies decided to change things so that the Republic Fleet was still using MC80s for some reason. Not that we got to see the Fleet do anything anyway, except get blown up...
There it is again, that fighter that looks like a slimmed down Porax P-38 (1:00, at the right side).
Can anyone tell me what ktype of fighter that is?
It's a Wookiee Owool-class interceptor, in the Legends book series Legacy of the Force, 40 ABY.
Throw a question in the chat, it works every time XD
Thanks Chris, would have taken me forever to find it in the sheer mass of fighters on Wookiepedia by myself.
thank you
I have a idea for a video:
halo wraith vs 2-M hover tank
"conquest" planet? Did you mean to say "conquer"? Conquer is the verb, conquest is the noun.
The CG section that shows the R-41 Starchasers, where did that come from?
Suggestion sword fleet mass effect 3 vs galaxy alliance fleet at yuzhan tar or systems alliance fleet at earth mass effect 3 vs unsc fleet defense earth (yuzhan tar suggested 13 times earth defense fleets suggested 2 times)
Look me in the face and say the book Tyrant's Test Battle of ILC-905 was not riveting and exciting and edge of the seat. Long live Expanded Universe, and well done author Michael McDowell.
What do you think about A ship called the eclipse with the first order? Do you think it is the real deal? And if so will we see a sovereign class as well? Or will it, disappointingly like most of the new canon, just be another executor
Hey man, know it's been a while since you've done a starship versus. What do you think of the Nebula star destroyer vs an Imperial Star Destroyer Mk II
Can you do a video on Bionicles?
Can anyone help me figure out what were those oval and flat ships at 1:03 called ???
I think those are Hapian Battle Dragons.
For a vehicle vs: AT-AA vs the AA Wraith
For a person vs: Obi wan vs Thel ‘Vadam (AKA the arbiter from Halo’s 2, 3 and 5) in melee combat
Comet5551 Obi Wan would def wreck the Arbiter but potentially someone like Mandalor the Ultimate would be an awesome matchup
So in episode 9 will be see the rest of the republic fleet you think? or the remnants of it?
I jus want to see a massive space battle of star hawks and Nebulas/carrier variants against first order ships
It be awesome if the Fifth Fleet shows up in episode 9 and that wasn't destroyed and a big fleet battle be the climax
I have one for you the unsc attacks the death star 2 instead of the rebels feet who would win how would they do it?