The ULTIMATE V10 Engine Tier List

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  • Опубліковано 15 чер 2024
  • The V10 engine is one of the greatest creations in the automotive industry. Many of them have become the stuff of legends, but the question remains, which is the best? This video ranks all road legal V10 engines in a tier list format.
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    00:00 Introduction
    00:25 Japanese V10s
    01:05 European V10s
    06:17 American V10s
    10:21 Final Ranking
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  • @running2redline
    @running2redline  11 місяців тому +137

    Yes, the Magnum photo is a Cummins I6. I was editing very late and did something rather dumb, my mistake
    Hey everyone! I tried to make this video much more informative and comprehensive than my previous tier list, and I hope you enjoy. Also be sure to let me know how you would rank things differently!

    • @toshanilov7250
      @toshanilov7250 10 місяців тому +2

      bro you should add those engine sounds

    • @joshjenkins3815
      @joshjenkins3815 10 місяців тому

      you missed the LS v10, at least deserves a mention as its pretty cool

    • @D1vid3By0
      @D1vid3By0 10 місяців тому

      @@toshanilov7250 This is exactly what I was going to say. I want to hear some engine noise from them. I more than likely have heard em all as I'm addicted to v10s.

    • @ValentinMakriev
      @ValentinMakriev 10 місяців тому

      DRIVETRIBE (Richard Hammond and James May ) plan to put this v10 2.0 engine in mazda mx-5 , even they show the engine to Gordon Murray . a lot picture in internet

    • @thorodin3631
      @thorodin3631 9 місяців тому

      I don't get why the dodge v10's are so low. they were the first to mass produce the gas powered v10 and they solved issues with it (balancing issues). honestly, the first v10 they made should at least be A tier because it was the first to do it. not to mention, several of them made more power or just as much power as S tier.

  • @kinanalhawat6753
    @kinanalhawat6753 10 місяців тому +466

    I love how the biggest European V10 has a 5.7L displacement and the smallest american one has 6.8L😂

    • @marcelk3847
      @marcelk3847 10 місяців тому +4

      And thats good 🤙🏼

    • @mcmobius1
      @mcmobius1 10 місяців тому +3

      Which make more torque.

    • @Zimtanbau
      @Zimtanbau 10 місяців тому +8

      MAN a german manufacturer produced an eightteen liter V10 the D2840 till the year 2000

    • @thedarwin6363
      @thedarwin6363 10 місяців тому +10

      ​@@Zimtanbautgats truck, lorry whatever engine. These on the list were used in cars or trucks (as a pickup). Cars engines and trucks, lorry engine are a cmpletly different story.

    • @Zimtanbau
      @Zimtanbau 10 місяців тому +5

      @@thedarwin6363 the Triton V10 is also a truck engine as it was used in vehicles with a GVW over 3.5 metric tons.

  • @lanesummers746
    @lanesummers746 10 місяців тому +186

    Want to note, As a Gen 2 Viper owner, you had the pictures of the GEN1 and GEN2 engines switched. While not a huge difference, G1 and G2 have different alternator locations, as well as different water pumps. The Early Gen2 engines also had forged internals.

    • @eag8999
      @eag8999 10 місяців тому +8

      Bottom tier v10s either way

    • @prodyung829
      @prodyung829 10 місяців тому +23

      @@eag8999 bottom tier comment. Normie🤣🤣🤣

    • @eag8999
      @eag8999 10 місяців тому +1

      @@prodyung829 ratio says otherwise

    • @prodyung829
      @prodyung829 10 місяців тому +2

      @@eag8999 normies here too🤣

    • @ValentinMakriev
      @ValentinMakriev 10 місяців тому +2

      DRIVETRIBE (Richard Hammond and James May ) plan to put this v10 2.0 engine in mazda mx-5 , even they show the engine to Gordon Murray . a lot picture in internet

  • @SuperSnakePlissken
    @SuperSnakePlissken 10 місяців тому +44

    I had a 1999 F-350 6.8L V10 in my fleet for 14 years and 678,500ish miles. The only reason we don’t have it anymore is because a dumb 16 year old texting ran a red light and t boned the truck.
    That engine was incredible.

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  10 місяців тому +9

      That sounds really unfortunate, always see people distracted driving and most get away with it. Glad you enjoyed yours though 678k is absolutely insane.

    • @SuperSnakePlissken
      @SuperSnakePlissken 10 місяців тому +4

      @@running2redline I tried to find another V10 F-350 because they tow so well, but most companies beat the hell out of their work trucks and do not do the proper maintenance to keep them going that long. We ended up going with a F-450 6.7L Power stroke but the truck was $68,000 which sucked to buy. I kid you not I bought that 1999 in 2001 for $19,000 flat and never even had a problem until around 220,000 miles. Gosh, I miss that truck.

    • @Humbulla93
      @Humbulla93 9 місяців тому

      ​@@SuperSnakePlisskenhow much do you tow, as Here in Europe they use an Audi a4 or something similar with a Diesel engine to tow campers. For 3,5 tons which is a Bit more than 7000 pounds a Toyota hillux would be more than enough, or BMW X5/7, Mercedes GLE/G class

    • @SuperSnakePlissken
      @SuperSnakePlissken 9 місяців тому +2

      @@Humbulla93In America we are much more fortunate to not have to use regular vehicles to tow heavy loads. I tow way more weight then that typically 10,000 to 15,000 lbs and some times a little bit more depending on what we are delivering.
      I ended up getting a great deal on a 2019 F-450 4x4 which is the best towing truck that Ford makes. The F-550 is for ambulances and power line companies that need to haul up to 10,000 lbs on the frame, but the F-450 is designed to tow up to 30,000 lbs which now allows me to do larger loads than I've done before.
      Ironically, I had to go get my CDL license in order to tow more than 30,000 lbs here in the US. I'll have that completed in about another two months.

  • @marcogtc
    @marcogtc 10 місяців тому +314

    Great list but I think the gen 5 viper motor deserves to be S Tier, just because of the fact how much boost it can handle

    • @rivahoff
      @rivahoff 10 місяців тому +5

      Agreed 💯

    • @prodyung829
      @prodyung829 10 місяців тому +3

      So true. I hear about a lot of people putting decent amount of powers on them stock in North Carolina.

    • @Ryan-iu2xl
      @Ryan-iu2xl 10 місяців тому +18

      @@prodyung829wait till you hear about texas 😂

    • @givemesometime8405
      @givemesometime8405 10 місяців тому +1

      @@Ryan-iu2xl💀

    • @ValentinMakriev
      @ValentinMakriev 10 місяців тому +1

      DRIVETRIBE (Richard Hammond and James May ) plan to put this v10 2.0 engine in mazda mx-5 , even they show the engine to Gordon Murray . a lot picture in internet

  • @destruxandexploze2552
    @destruxandexploze2552 10 місяців тому +78

    To be fair. The S85 rod bearing issue can be fixed by just replacing them with good quality ones.

    • @EightyFiveHundred
      @EightyFiveHundred 10 місяців тому +26

      14 years and 187,000 smiles of fun with my s85 with proper maintenance. I would love to see the reliability of an m80 or a VAG/LAMBO at 187,000 miles.
      Any v10 will become a money pit if 1) you don’t have any money to begin with, and 2) if it’s not serviced properly. Unfortunately too many “ballers on beer budgets” that rented/leased their s85s and treated them like rentals.

    • @valeriypupkin
      @valeriypupkin 10 місяців тому +21

      Totally agree, and certainly what other car has endured such abuse as the M5 E60? No Carrera GT or LFA has ever been abused the way the M5 E60 has been abused

    • @a.b.ripper9908
      @a.b.ripper9908 10 місяців тому +1

      And heaveir oil

    • @gg2324
      @gg2324 9 місяців тому +2

      ​@@valeriypupkinyes but a sports sedan is supposed to be a daily driver and have somewhat low running cost and long service intervals not like a hypercar

    • @deevizm8035
      @deevizm8035 9 місяців тому +5

      I would argue that the s85 deserves s tier solely for its sound. That and the lfa are 2 of the best sounding production cars ever. Love a good rotary and a good turbo 6 cylinder but stock they don’t come close to the m5 v10 and lfa, they make mechanical music.

  • @KubanKevin
    @KubanKevin 10 місяців тому +54

    The viper v10s I think deserve more recognition because like the LFA V10, they are able to crank out excellent power yet are extremely reliable

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  10 місяців тому +13

      Fair point, if we consider cost too it’s easily the best value engine here. While the 1LR and M80 are glorious, they had a budget of the entire viper itself. I’m impressed with how much boost they hold too. Thanks for watching!

    • @Doctajones2
      @Doctajones2 10 місяців тому +5

      I 100% agree with the Viper motor being the best value motor on the list. I love the diesel-like torque and reliability!

    • @youngrody2386
      @youngrody2386 10 місяців тому +1

      Honestly Gen 1 should've A or S and 5 should've been S tier. Those motors have far more torque, far more reliability, and just as much tuning potential as the Lambo V10s especially with stock components, it's a shame they didn't come with many forged internals between the 2nd to 4th gen.

    • @sayandhsooraj1361
      @sayandhsooraj1361 10 місяців тому +1

      @@youngrody2386 but its also around 3.0L more than the audi v10s

    • @aimxdy8680
      @aimxdy8680 Місяць тому

      @@sayandhsooraj1361The Actually the viper V10 motor is not bigger than the R8 V10 due to its 2 valve design and has less cams than the R8s. My 7L LS7 is physically smaller than half of all engines ever made. Hp per liter is irrelevant

  • @Divine_Serpent_Geh
    @Divine_Serpent_Geh 10 місяців тому +21

    The RS6 C6 motor is just an insane gem. I’m still sour they never brought it to the states. When 10 cylinders wasn’t enough for Audi: “let’s slap 2 turbos on them!” 😊

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  10 місяців тому +6

      Totally agree, love the choice of putting such an engine in an RS6 too. It’s like a wagon that beats on supercars.

    • @LocalAutist
      @LocalAutist Місяць тому

      ​@@running2redlineit's unfortunate they never thought it through all the way, they twist the chassis in the cars like there's no tomorrow

  • @jacobrcoll
    @jacobrcoll 10 місяців тому +37

    5.0 tdi definitely deserves at least C tier forbhow awesome it is, yeah its not the most reliable but its one of the only v10 diesel engines ever produced (only 3 if i recall correctly) and there are probably more working tritons than all the other engines combined. Its porven itself for over 20 years basically unchanged because its so good. Its no racing engine, but itll tow whatever you want for as long as you want with no real issues whatsoever.

    • @TheLtVoss
      @TheLtVoss 10 місяців тому

      Yep I think so too because the bigest problem is maintainace and well it's a big engines in a relativly small engine bay so a mechanic can't reach the needed stuff that leads too the case that they drop the supframe + engine out of the car and off course that is exesive for most shops but in fairness most mid engine v10 in that list have the same problem too same extend but being installed in a supercar with a high price tag and the reputation of the brand (see porsche and there maintainace Service list 😅) has the advantage that the owners cann throw cash at the problem and there supercar isn't ther grocery getter so a longer down time doesn't really matter too them therfore there are less reports about that

    • @adamlewellen5081
      @adamlewellen5081 10 місяців тому +1

      Love the ford V10.. it's a 4.6 with extra cylinders... those damn spark plugs though...... Crank weaknesses is over exaggerated as long as you don't over tune..

    • @sticker144
      @sticker144 10 місяців тому

      My family had a v10 TDI. It lasted us 230k miles and the Touareg it was placed in was a very nice car. I wouldn’t hate on the TDI much, it’s a great engine

    • @keeganandersson4281
      @keeganandersson4281 10 місяців тому

      @@adamlewellen5081 actually it’s the 5.4 with two extra cylinders. If you multiply the 5.4L displacement by 1.25 (or 10/8) you get 6.75L , which rounds up to 6.8L.

    • @Stormkrasher
      @Stormkrasher 4 місяці тому

      It certainly wasn't meant for racing but that didn't keep Audi from initially considering it for what would later become their diesel LMP program that would dominate the mid to late 2000s enduro racing scene with their diesel V12 they eventually wound up with. Taurus Racing (with help from Caterpillar of all companies) on the other hand did champion this engine twice at LeMans (and a few other showings in endurance races across 2005 and 2006), but with little success both times (one being down to engine problems, the other being down to the manual transmission fitted to it failing after 35 laps of running due to being unable to handle the amount of torque the engine had been tuned up to).

  • @alexjones6440
    @alexjones6440 11 місяців тому +15

    I love the amount of information you put into the lists. Totally agree with the placements and keep up the great vids 👍🏼

  • @Roddy_Zeh
    @Roddy_Zeh 11 місяців тому +56

    Awesome vid, awesome list! Besides the V6 like other people mentioned, I think a V12 list would be interesting as well. 👏‍

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  11 місяців тому +8

      Completely agree! Thanks for the suggestion

  • @jermeyscott5998
    @jermeyscott5998 10 місяців тому +6

    V12 list next? Glad to see a V10 tier list they dont get enough love

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  10 місяців тому +1

      I’ll make it happen! Thanks for watching

  • @rivahoff
    @rivahoff 10 місяців тому

    This ranking videos are great thanks for all the effort!

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  10 місяців тому +1

      I’m glad to hear that! Got many more of this series in the pipeline, thanks for watching

  • @jjrimz99tandem_drifter
    @jjrimz99tandem_drifter 10 місяців тому +36

    Th s85 should most definitely be higher on the list. A F1 derived engine that revs to 8250 with 507 NA hp is definately special!

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  10 місяців тому +4

      Fair enough, I do love that sound. Thanks for watching

    • @Jake_Smith7472
      @Jake_Smith7472 10 місяців тому +3

      Sounds isn't that great. And they're an old bmw engine... junk

    • @jjrimz99tandem_drifter
      @jjrimz99tandem_drifter 10 місяців тому +9

      @@Jake_Smith7472 well that's subjective entirely. We are talking about what makes an engine stand apart from the rest. The sound is generalized to be one of the best sounding and most unique of mass produced vehicles. Quality of engineering is more complex than the average engine. Reliability is not bad as long as you care for it properly. Properly not meaning basic car maintenance as this isn't your average car; this would need more attention as it is high output.

    • @Jake_Smith7472
      @Jake_Smith7472 10 місяців тому +1

      @@jjrimz99tandem_drifter ok fair enough. agreed

    • @I_like_fish_
      @I_like_fish_ 10 місяців тому +1

      I was about to say that…

  • @verde5268
    @verde5268 11 місяців тому +1

    great video! loved the v8 list too 👌👌

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  11 місяців тому

      Thanks I appreciate that and I’m glad you enjoyed!

  • @alexelstun3630
    @alexelstun3630 10 місяців тому +5

    The 5.2 FSI found in the Audi S6/S8 is notoriously hard and expensive to maintain as mileage increases. The most common failure point is the intake manifold, where plastic flaps that close at low rpm for more torque fail. Intake manifold is $5k just in parts, let alone labor. There’s a reason the S85 and 5.2 FSI cars are so inexpensive.

  • @Mr-Bogs
    @Mr-Bogs 11 місяців тому +20

    Great video! I like how you broke it up into sections for the different regions... You should make a follow up to the original V8 video for foreign V8's!

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  11 місяців тому +2

      That’s a great idea, I’ll add it to my queue. Glad you enjoyed!

  • @JESadventures0181
    @JESadventures0181 3 місяці тому

    Super nice guide for v10 engines THANKS 💪🏻

  • @Graves-81_69
    @Graves-81_69 10 місяців тому +1

    I own a 94 Dodge Ram with a 8.0 V10 and it’s a different experience than I’ve been used to. I grew up with big block V8s when we needed real power to tow. The lowest we would dip was either a Ford 302 or a GM 350. I have had over the years 4 cylinder and V6 trucks for every day use. I briefly had a 300 Ford in-line 6, but a deer decided to jump the fence right as I passed by.

  • @RealLeskot
    @RealLeskot 10 місяців тому

    Love the list, good job!

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  10 місяців тому +1

      Glad to hear that, thanks for watching

    • @RealLeskot
      @RealLeskot 10 місяців тому

      @@running2redline Of course, always looking for next upload. :)

  • @workspilot.
    @workspilot. 3 місяці тому

    Good work!

  • @rysterstech
    @rysterstech 10 місяців тому +4

    The Ford V10 is actually very reliable, the spark plug issue only existed on the factory spark plugs and other than that it was very reliable, even the 3V variant was just as reliable as it lacked VCT, which is what causes so many issues with the 5.4L 3v

    • @Ratkill9000
      @Ratkill9000 2 місяці тому

      I think the first gen had the spark plugs backing out similarly to the 5.4L. And all of them had the poorly designed two piece plugs, that were replaced with a better single piece design that got rid of that breakage problem.
      Despite the applications these were put in, they are very reliable with many on the road with well over 300k miles. I don't know how many other V10s on this list can say that.

  • @jakub7894
    @jakub7894 10 місяців тому

    very good video i really liked it and your explaining

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  10 місяців тому +1

      Glad to hear that, thanks for watching!

  • @Glibzer
    @Glibzer 11 місяців тому

    Ooh this is going to be exciting!

  • @zodiac909
    @zodiac909 10 місяців тому

    Subbed! Need a V4, V6, V8, V12 list now!

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  10 місяців тому +2

      Got them all in the queue, thanks for the sub I really appreciate that! Welcome to the channel.

  • @Broncos14
    @Broncos14 10 місяців тому

    Good video, solid information

  • @seasoda3319
    @seasoda3319 10 місяців тому

    Fun video! Thanks!

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  10 місяців тому +1

      Glad you enjoyed, was fun to make it!

  • @iSkiLLeTXx
    @iSkiLLeTXx 10 місяців тому +1

    If you ever do a truck v10 tier list, you should definitly check out the jdm market from the 90s. They had 30l N/A V10 diesels with up to 600hp in a cabover

  • @telegoire1244
    @telegoire1244 10 місяців тому

    Awesome video! Now rank every inline 4 engines

  • @darkmatter7208
    @darkmatter7208 10 місяців тому +4

    To give the triton 6.8 some love, there is a channel here that’s has successfully developed 4 valve heads with dual overhead cams. They just finished the wiring harness so we will see just how it to turn out. Should sound crazy.

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  10 місяців тому

      That sounds super fascinating, any chance you remember the name? I’d love to check it out.

    • @darkmatter7208
      @darkmatter7208 10 місяців тому

      @@running2redline channel is called buildityourself

    • @darkmatter7208
      @darkmatter7208 10 місяців тому

      @@running2redline They used cobra heads and welded an extra cylinder on there. It’ll have custom Tom Warren camshafts, custom intake manifold and dual throttle bodies.

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  10 місяців тому

      That welder must be a legend, I’ll go take a look that’s so cool. Thank you

    • @darkmatter7208
      @darkmatter7208 10 місяців тому

      @@running2redline Yeah, I don’t remember exactly how they did it but I remember them welding bits of it. I’m just glad someone is giving that v10 the love it deserves. A dohc 6.8 is a massive over head cam engine already so hopefully that thing will have a nasty power band.

  • @alexisg311
    @alexisg311 10 місяців тому

    Excelente trabajo, 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 muchas gracias.

  • @AnabolicRick915
    @AnabolicRick915 10 місяців тому +2

    I’d like to add that the engines UGR pushes to 3,500 are fully built billet block designs where they basically have nothing left over from the original engine. On stock internals they can push close to 1,500 which in and of itself is incredibly impressive but they blow up anything past 1800 wheel and are not very reliable. With fully upgraded Internals you can push 2,100-2,300 but anything past that is ticking time bomb even fully built. Those 3k+ motors are billet blocks and have absolutely zero stock components on them.

  • @SillyDillysTunes
    @SillyDillysTunes 10 місяців тому +2

    All the Viper engines are extremely stout and are all easily capable of 2,500hp minimum. He forgot to mention Nyth Moto has two vipers that make 3,500hp and have never had and engine failure. Extremely reliable and durable. The Viper also won 3 Lemans championships in succession and would've been four if chrysler didn't pull out for a year. Not to mention every year they won, all podium finishes were Vipers.

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  10 місяців тому +1

      Really interesting stuff, thanks for watching!

    • @aimxdy8680
      @aimxdy8680 Місяць тому +2

      They made 3500 hp on stock block lmao, 6.6 second 1/4 mile at 220+ mph. STOCK BLOCK

    • @SillyDillysTunes
      @SillyDillysTunes 24 дні тому

      @@aimxdy8680 without sleeves. Ford Coyote fans love claiming stock block. Even though they are sleeved. Aluminum blocks do not hold the load, the sleeves do.

  • @gctzx
    @gctzx 9 місяців тому +1

    The BMW S85 V10 won multiple International Engine of the Year awards, including Best New Engine (2005), Best Performance Engine (2005-2007), and Best Above 4.0 Liters (2005-2008). Despite the issues deserved higher than a B.

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  9 місяців тому +1

      That’s a really valid point, can’t say I could disagree there. Thanks for watching!

    • @aimxdy8680
      @aimxdy8680 Місяць тому

      So? These are turds and always blow up, they can’t even handle 2 psi of boost ☠️

  • @motormouth2472
    @motormouth2472 11 місяців тому +12

    I personally love the sound of the Triton V10 and they seem to be a quite reliable engine, considering they were used for over 20 years. I definitely agree with the part about the spark plugs, but other than that these engines were people's go-to if they wanted a Ford truck, but couldn't afford the diesel. But I'm also a huge Triton V10 fan so I might be suffering from bias lol. But yeah this was a great list, I'd love to see more. Maybe a big block tier list or a V6 tier list

    • @TimJorgensen850
      @TimJorgensen850 10 місяців тому +1

      Cope

    • @joeanspach539
      @joeanspach539 10 місяців тому +2

      Should hear one through a thrush glasspack. Knew ranch truck back in highschool that through various events ended up in need of a new muffler and the mighty thrush glasspack was chosen. Lord help me we had a racecar.

    • @alsomedog253
      @alsomedog253 6 місяців тому +1

      They’re a nightmare repair tho

    • @motormouth2472
      @motormouth2472 5 місяців тому

      ​@@alsomedog253 That I do agree with I wouldn't want to do any major repairs on a V10

  • @lucca8305
    @lucca8305 9 місяців тому +1

    every other country in the world: we put a V10 in this car to make it fast and elegant
    USA: got me my F350 here with the V10, gonna go haul that trailer over there

  • @silvix3137
    @silvix3137 11 місяців тому +5

    @drivetribe is actually putting the tiny 2liter v10 in a miata and there are videos where you can see the engine on their channel

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  10 місяців тому +1

      I’ll be sure to check it out. Thanks for letting everyone know that sounds fascinating!

  • @jimjamauto
    @jimjamauto 10 місяців тому +3

    I knew a guy who hated Ford but swore by the Triton V10 from all the high mileage buses he worked on

  • @Bessy2k
    @Bessy2k 11 місяців тому +2

    I like the v6 idea video and maybe even include inline 6 engines unless that would work for a video in it of itself

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  10 місяців тому +1

      I currently have both down as separate videos on my list. Might even have to divide it by region (US, Euro, JDM) as well because there are so many. Will definitely make it happen though. Thanks for the suggestion I appreciate it!

  • @jamesh5111
    @jamesh5111 10 місяців тому +4

    My neighbor has a triton v10 in her excursion and it has 360k miles and she still daily drives it to work

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  10 місяців тому

      That’s incredible, I’m sure it’s well maintained. Thanks for watching

    • @motormouth2472
      @motormouth2472 5 місяців тому

      That's a lot of gas lol. But still awesome

  • @PetrolheadAEHG
    @PetrolheadAEHG 10 місяців тому +3

    If you search "Drivetribe Connaught" here in UA-cam, you will find four videos related to the 2.0 V10: two speaking about it and showing it, and other two for a swap to an MX-5 (although is not going so well).
    BTW, Drivetrive was created by Orangutan, Captain Slow and Hamster... Aka Jeremy Clarkson, James May and Richard Hammond hahaha

  • @YouThana
    @YouThana 10 місяців тому +3

    I think the S85 is rather undervalued. The main reason is the engines break in the hands of people that can't maintain and drive them properly. And by driving i mean wait until the oil is warm to keep the bearings sufficiently lubed. Sure the tolerances are a bit tight for a street car but an 8500rpm engine should be treated like a super car engine but i doubt that later owners did this.

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  10 місяців тому

      That sounds like a really solid theory to me, I feel like almost all modern engines can go to high mileage with proper maintenance. If I’m not wrong I believe a lot of the reliability complaints stem from the transmission rather than the engine as well. Hope you enjoyed the video and thanks for watching!

    • @YouThana
      @YouThana 10 місяців тому +1

      @@running2redline most complaints about the gearbox regard it being jerky and slow but i havent heard it breaking. Regarding the engine itself mechanics and engineers criticized the choice of the pistons rings. Another valid complait that ist consistent with BMWs of that era are plastic internals like chain guides. These simply disintegrate over time. Also the tensioners may fail. Not too risky for an M54@6500rpm but definitely for a high reving engine.

    • @aimxdy8680
      @aimxdy8680 Місяць тому

      because the S85 is a POS slow engine, got whooped by the M113K and 6.1 hemi mod for mod. Even multiple Jeep 5000 lb SRT8s suvs have faster times than the fastest modded S85s

    • @YouThana
      @YouThana Місяць тому

      @@aimxdy8680 you realise that power to weight and weight distribution are a thing in cars? Any track with corners will favour the S85.

    • @aimxdy8680
      @aimxdy8680 Місяць тому

      @@YouThana I never see those slow s85 turds at a track. My track is usually filled with miatas, corvettes, brzs, camaros, mustangs, hondas, maybe some golfs etc Also the E60 M5 is 4000 lbs, nobody is taking it to a circuit.

  • @ahtishamilyas7364
    @ahtishamilyas7364 10 місяців тому +1

    Great video.... pls do a V12 tier list

  • @jeremykoehnlein2158
    @jeremykoehnlein2158 10 місяців тому

    Drive Tribe looked into the Connaught if you want more info. The guy talked to the makers and all. Pretty cool.

  • @mikebarbera254
    @mikebarbera254 10 місяців тому

    good list!

  • @noahdimario1379
    @noahdimario1379 10 місяців тому

    I’d like to add that the later Gen viper v10 is also used in the GTA Spano super car (with twin turbos)

  • @Lambullghini
    @Lambullghini 10 місяців тому

    I think this Is the first time I fully agree with a tier list someone else has made about anything.

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  10 місяців тому +1

      I think this is the first time I’ve heard that lol. Glad you enjoyed the video!

  • @ashleytombs
    @ashleytombs 10 місяців тому

    My top 4 V10s ever made The screaming 3L V10 in F1 from 96 to 08 The beautiful sounding Judd v10 Engine in the dallara SP1 LMP1 car from 2001 the LFA and finally the 5 L V 10 in the E60 M5

  • @-thebatman-
    @-thebatman- 7 місяців тому +1

    A 2.0l v10 sounds amazing. Yes you can get the same results with less cylinders however the more cylinders on a smaller Liter the smoother the engine will run.

  • @robertlichon8861
    @robertlichon8861 10 місяців тому

    Yeah, great list, totally agree

  • @Inanabananana
    @Inanabananana 10 місяців тому

    Something i wanted to point out. The RS6 5.0 TFSI is a variant of the S6 5.2, so is the R8 5.2. The Gallardo 5.0 is an entirely different engine. The S6/S8 5.2 was originally made in 06 with 450hp (de-tuned to 435 in the S6) and a 7000rpm redline. It was a wet sump system with a crank-pin offset for an even firing, it also had a dual stage intake manifold for high rpm horsepower and low end torque since its in luxury sedans. The RS6 and R8 are actually very similar. Both are variants of the S6 5.2 that make more power in different ways.
    Both the RS6 5.0 and R8 5.2 have a single pin crank to support the added power, as well as stronger con rods and different cams to support the now odd-firing engine. They both did away with the dual stage intake and went for less restrictive alternatives since the RS6 has turbos for the torque and the R8 really doesn’t care about low end torque. Similarities end about there.
    The RS6 was downsized to 5.0 because compression went from 12.5:1 to 10.5:1 since it was now twin turbocharged. It kept the wet sump system and rpm was actually lowered to about 6500 from the S6’s 7000 since it uses the turbos to make power.
    The R8’s displacement and compression are identical to the S6. It had a few changes for high rpm like the single pin crank, con-rods, etc like the RS6. However, it converted to a dry sump oil system and dual fuel injection (port and direct). The redline was increased to 8000-9000 depending on model and year, as this variant was used in the face lifted Gallardo, R8, and Huracan.

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  10 місяців тому

      This is all super interesting, thanks for the clarifications and information. I’m sure many people will find this useful!

  • @HyBr1dRaNg3r
    @HyBr1dRaNg3r Місяць тому

    One of my high school friend’s dad had a v10tdi Toureg…It was an interesting suv😂

  • @crazyone3494
    @crazyone3494 10 місяців тому

    Hey, wasn't there a updated in '06 for the 8.3 Viper V10? Where they launched a coupe version of the 3rd gen Viper and a extended cab for the RAM while bumping the power to 550hp??

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  10 місяців тому

      I thought it was bumped to 510, which I considered negligible to where it was rated. The 2006 Ram on the other hand from what I could find online remained at 500. I could be wrong though, I hope you enjoyed the video!

    • @crazyone3494
      @crazyone3494 10 місяців тому

      @@running2redline no worries, i'm just confused about that, good tier overall, and evan if i didn't like, it's your opinion, keep going and one day you will be great

  • @Fatal_Inertia
    @Fatal_Inertia 3 місяці тому +1

    S85 in B tier is a violation. Those "issues" are caused by user error. A tier minimum.

    • @Fatal_Inertia
      @Fatal_Inertia 3 місяці тому

      Also should note that rod bearing failure only happened to 3% of the entire amount produced. I wouldn't call that "prominent"

  • @raulvoinescu2172
    @raulvoinescu2172 10 місяців тому

    It would be cool a video about inline 8 engines

  • @242bleek
    @242bleek 9 місяців тому +1

    Dont know if its been mentioned. The S85 didnt have defective rod bearings. They set the bearing clearances for a race engine which was too tight and not made for street longevity. Run the wrong oil or dont warm up the oil properly at tight clearances and you have a problem.

  • @KaDuWin
    @KaDuWin 3 місяці тому

    The M80 originally started as an F1 engine but was shelved when Porsche withdrew as an engine manufacturer. It was tested in the LeMans car was later shelved again until it finally found its use in the Carrera GT.

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  3 місяці тому

      That’s super interesting thank you!

    • @KaDuWin
      @KaDuWin 3 місяці тому

      @@running2redline You're welcome

  • @FZNL
    @FZNL 2 місяці тому

    5:28 There is a documentary available on the topic and you can find it by searching the title on UA-cam. ( We found the lost 2.0-litre V10 sportscar!)
    then skip to the part where they begin at 7: 19.

  • @FELiPES101
    @FELiPES101 10 місяців тому +4

    yeah the lfa motor seems reliable because none of the owners drive it

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  10 місяців тому

      That’s a fair point and quite a shame. Respect to the few who do use them though, thanks for watching

    • @RealLeskot
      @RealLeskot 10 місяців тому

      I mean, fair point, but still... it´s Toyota, come on.. 😅

  • @WonkOfWonkyness
    @WonkOfWonkyness 10 місяців тому

    Finally something for people with universally good taste.

  • @loganwilson6727
    @loganwilson6727 10 місяців тому

    More tier lists!

  • @bradleyadams5167
    @bradleyadams5167 9 місяців тому

    V10s fkn ruleee, been hooked on that sound ever since driving a e60 m5

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  9 місяців тому +1

      E60 M5 is one of the best sounding too, love the S85 note!

  • @colinschmitz8297
    @colinschmitz8297 9 місяців тому

    Pretty good.
    I take exception to the rankings on the Viper V 10. The 2nd generation Viper V10 fixing the reliability issues and increased power helping it to win at 24 hours at Daytona and 3 victories on Nurburgring deserves at least A tier if not S (remember to judge an engine compared to its era). The details listed for the fifth generation should bump it up to S tier.
    As great as the LFA engine is I'm not seeing where the car had outstanding success and given it's short run. I think it is more an A tier.

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  9 місяців тому +1

      That’s all completely fair reasoning, can’t say I’d disagree. Thanks for watching!

    • @colinschmitz8297
      @colinschmitz8297 9 місяців тому

      @@running2redline thank you for making the lists and for being a good sport on my critique.

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  9 місяців тому +1

      Always room for improvement, I’ve learned many valuable things from viewers input!

    • @colinschmitz8297
      @colinschmitz8297 9 місяців тому

      @@running2redline agreed, what makes someone great isn't perfection, it's the ability to learn from others and grow from it. You're on the right path.

  • @shaungriseta9917
    @shaungriseta9917 10 місяців тому +2

    I think an inline/straight 6 ranking would be cool

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  10 місяців тому

      I’ll add it to my queue! That’s a great idea.

    • @damiandorhoff719
      @damiandorhoff719 10 місяців тому +1

      @@running2redline don´t forget the Flat 6 or Boxer 6 Engines. We don´t want to miss the Sound of a Porsche GT3/GT3 RS

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  10 місяців тому +1

      @@damiandorhoff719 You may notice in my other vids but I do indeed have a Porsche obsession. My first time at the track a GT3RS flew by me and I was hooked. I’ll definitely make a flat 6 video happen!

  • @eptdy
    @eptdy 5 місяців тому +1

    The S85 is the only V10 outside of a Ford diesel that gets used like a daily driver. Id he willing to bet alot of these V10s would be considered problematic if they were driven as hard as the S85 does.

  • @bollemann2582
    @bollemann2582 5 місяців тому

    A British car channel named DriveTribe is putting the 2L V10 in a MX5/Miata, they have a whole bunch of videos on it. They are also putting the S85 V10 in another MX5 lmao

  • @Pl4smaz1228
    @Pl4smaz1228 10 місяців тому

    Did you Know that the Spania GTA is another car with the Viper engine. It came with the 8.0, 8.3 and the 8.4 from the Viper.

  • @friedisfrankie4737
    @friedisfrankie4737 11 місяців тому +2

    Word let’s get a v6 vid

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  11 місяців тому

      I’ll add it to my queue, thanks for watching!

  • @samrosen9823
    @samrosen9823 9 місяців тому

    I actually think this list is great, personally I'd put the M80 down one tier though. It sounds great in the higher rpms but below/around 4500-5000 its known for sounding not just underwhelming, but genuinely bad. It also doesn't drive THAT well. It's definitely iconic but I find it hard to justify it on the same level as the LFA

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  9 місяців тому

      I think that’s a fair assessment, especially regarding low rpm sound. Glad you enjoyed the video!

  • @ighhkvbkgfgh
    @ighhkvbkgfgh 10 місяців тому +1

    you should really add sound of each motor in the video

  • @Brosephski69
    @Brosephski69 10 місяців тому +2

    we all knew what would be number 1

  • @ajtoofly7315
    @ajtoofly7315 10 місяців тому

    Can you please do a tier list for V12’s🙂

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  10 місяців тому +1

      I’ll make it happen! Thanks for watching

  • @D1vid3By0
    @D1vid3By0 10 місяців тому

    I'm pretty sure flatplane cranks are exclusive to v8s and I4s. Great video though!

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  10 місяців тому +1

      Oddly enough the M80 is FPC. This was my source in the first paragraph. I was also really surprised, glad you enjoyed the video!
      blog.dupontregistry.com/features/637169/2005-porsche-carrera-gt-heading-auction/amp/

  • @Missch_1
    @Missch_1 10 місяців тому +1

    I KNEW THAT LFA ENGINE WILL BE IN S CLASS!!

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  10 місяців тому

      It’s just too incredible, thanks for watching!

  • @budja1501
    @budja1501 10 місяців тому

    Does the Porsche CGT's M80 V10 really have a flat-plane crankshaft? I thought that was a design exclusively limited to V8's and some 4 cylinders. does that make it a flat-plane crank V10?

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  10 місяців тому +2

      Yes, I thought it odd as well, but it is indeed a flat plane crank V10. Here was my source, the first paragraph of this article. Thanks for watching!
      blog.dupontregistry.com/features/637169/2005-porsche-carrera-gt-heading-auction/amp/

    • @budja1501
      @budja1501 10 місяців тому

      @@running2redline thank you very much! that's insanely cool, I didn't know that was possible. Just makes that V10 that much cooler.

  • @Ioniq5N-Gaming
    @Ioniq5N-Gaming 10 місяців тому

    For me Lambo/Audi 5.2 V10 is S tier!! Right up there with the Porsche 4.0 Liter Flat 6 and 3.8 Turbo Flat 6s

  • @zTheBigFishz
    @zTheBigFishz 10 місяців тому +1

    A fair list...

  • @sir-cloutt3417
    @sir-cloutt3417 11 місяців тому +2

    I’d love a v6 vid🙏🙏

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  11 місяців тому +1

      Got it in my video queue! I’ll probably have to break that up by US, Euro, and JDM because there are so many. Thanks for watching

  • @MaxamilionB
    @MaxamilionB 4 місяці тому +1

    For me the S85 has to be at least on tier A. Yes you have to maintain it, but the engine is very capable.
    The 5.2 FSI in the S6/S8 is in my opinion very bad, it wont perform and the consumption is very high. I really do not understand why Audi has not put the 5.0 TFSI in it, in case of the S8.
    Back to the rating, i would put the S85 into A or maybe S and the 5.2 FSI(S6/S8) into C.

  • @Welcometofacsistube
    @Welcometofacsistube 10 місяців тому +1

    I own a 95 dodge v10. Great engine

  • @shawmz
    @shawmz 10 місяців тому

    You should add a clip of the sound of each engine

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  10 місяців тому

      I would’ve loved to do that, but it causes a lot of copyright issues using other peoples clips. Hope you still enjoyed the video!

  • @scottmijin9463
    @scottmijin9463 11 місяців тому +3

    Do V6 engines next

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  11 місяців тому +1

      Got it on my list! Thanks for watching

  • @muthusimalele1378
    @muthusimalele1378 10 місяців тому

    Great video but I was let down by the lack of sound from each engine introduction.

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  10 місяців тому

      Understandable, I wanted to do that but would have a copyright issue taking others audio. I’m looking into a workaround for the upcoming videos, thanks for watching!

  • @ericswinson3719
    @ericswinson3719 7 місяців тому

    Europe: makes engine more intricate and uses science to engineer a more efficient way to make more power.
    Merica: *make it bigger*

    • @aimxdy8680
      @aimxdy8680 Місяць тому

      I usually don’t respond to shit jokes but alot of american engines are smaller physically due to 2 valve design, they can go high displacement because they have less cams and less valves. My 7L LS7 is compact and is physically smaller than half of all engines made lmao.

  • @loggerhead837
    @loggerhead837 10 місяців тому +1

    The s85 is special until it’s on the lift with a huge repair bill. I love bmw but I’m surprised he gave it a B. An engine should be equally as powerful and fascinating as it is reliable. And while a lot of people appreciate this engine, very few will buy the cars it comes in.

  • @thesprawl2361
    @thesprawl2361 9 місяців тому

    Can I ask why you don’t provide examples of the exhaust note in these lists? It seems like such an obvious thing that would add so much to the videos.

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  9 місяців тому

      Yes I wanted to but I can’t just take audio from others videos without copyright issues. Thanks for watching

    • @thesprawl2361
      @thesprawl2361 9 місяців тому

      @@running2redline Ah, I thought there would be a good reason. Makes sense.
      If you can ever find a way around this I'm sure your videos would get even more views though. Keep up the good work.

  • @intellect4840
    @intellect4840 10 місяців тому

    Almost series. Of course a v12 video has to be coming…

  • @herrherher2502
    @herrherher2502 10 місяців тому +1

    The 5.0 tdi is for sure s tier ☝🏻

  • @SJWetz88
    @SJWetz88 10 місяців тому

    S85 is a bulletproof motor as long as the rod bearings are taken care of. Love my m5 six speed

  • @AndrewPruteanu
    @AndrewPruteanu 7 місяців тому

    The V10 TDIs turbo placement is probably the worst ive ever seen, no wonder they were engineering nightmares.

  • @alexmason5668
    @alexmason5668 Місяць тому

    The 6.8 ford very nearly ended up powering the 2005 ford GT before they went with a supercharged 5.4 litre V8. Although it would have had 4 valve heads. But since they basically took the modular V8 and added two cylinders it shared alot of the same problems as them unfortunately

  • @Wafflelover344
    @Wafflelover344 6 місяців тому

    The 1LR is not a high note (I see what you did there Mr.) It is the HIGHEST NOTE. A sample is in the Yamaha Museum's section for MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS!!!!!

  • @poly_g6068
    @poly_g6068 26 днів тому

    The gen 5 Viper 8.4L V10 belongs FIRMLY in S-tier. They are the LS of V10 blocks.

  • @bnr34ish
    @bnr34ish 10 місяців тому +1

    Gen V viper should be S tier especially for its accomplishments

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  10 місяців тому

      I could agree with that, especially if price is a consideration. Best value on this list for sure, thanks for watching!

  • @LarryNgetich
    @LarryNgetich 7 місяців тому +1

    I'm surprised VW never made a W10 engine.

    • @Swiss4.2
      @Swiss4.2 7 місяців тому +1

      They did actually, it never went in to production but they made a few working prototypes.

  • @francistrombley8813
    @francistrombley8813 10 місяців тому

    I would have liked so see some race cars too

  • @Zsword92
    @Zsword92 24 дні тому +1

    Next video: Ultimate EV Powertrain List!
    /s

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  23 дні тому +1

      We’d have to make an F tier, and it would be full lol

    • @Zsword92
      @Zsword92 21 день тому

      @@running2redline Lmao future looks bleak. Hopefully synthetic fuels take off

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  21 день тому

      @@Zsword92 I'm thinking hybrids might boom, but the market and lack of demand thankfully seems to be slowing EV production. We can hope!

  • @damiandorhoff719
    @damiandorhoff719 10 місяців тому

    I have seen pictures of the Connaught Type D Engine in a Video titled "We´re putting a V 10 into a Mazda MX-5!" by DRIVETRIBE

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  10 місяців тому

      Someone suggested that video and I watched it, really neat. They must be better at google than I am lol. Thanks for watching!

  • @djz3019
    @djz3019 10 місяців тому

    Do inline 4s (only the most popular)

  • @filip-pi9hy
    @filip-pi9hy 10 місяців тому

    what do you think is best sounding v6 ?

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  10 місяців тому +1

      I personally love the 690T V6 in the Alfa Romeo Giulia in terms of sound. Thanks for watching

    • @filip-pi9hy
      @filip-pi9hy 10 місяців тому +1

      ​@@running2redline that is quite good sounding engine, but v6 busso is someting else

    • @running2redline
      @running2redline  10 місяців тому +1

      @@filip-pi9hy I agree with that entirely as well, you got a great taste!

    • @jimjamauto
      @jimjamauto 10 місяців тому

      Chevy 4.3L