Yes, the Magnum photo is a Cummins I6. I was editing very late and did something rather dumb, my mistake Hey everyone! I tried to make this video much more informative and comprehensive than my previous tier list, and I hope you enjoy. Also be sure to let me know how you would rank things differently!
@@toshanilov7250 This is exactly what I was going to say. I want to hear some engine noise from them. I more than likely have heard em all as I'm addicted to v10s.
DRIVETRIBE (Richard Hammond and James May ) plan to put this v10 2.0 engine in mazda mx-5 , even they show the engine to Gordon Murray . a lot picture in internet
I don't get why the dodge v10's are so low. they were the first to mass produce the gas powered v10 and they solved issues with it (balancing issues). honestly, the first v10 they made should at least be A tier because it was the first to do it. not to mention, several of them made more power or just as much power as S tier.
@@Zimtanbautgats truck, lorry whatever engine. These on the list were used in cars or trucks (as a pickup). Cars engines and trucks, lorry engine are a cmpletly different story.
Want to note, As a Gen 2 Viper owner, you had the pictures of the GEN1 and GEN2 engines switched. While not a huge difference, G1 and G2 have different alternator locations, as well as different water pumps. The Early Gen2 engines also had forged internals.
DRIVETRIBE (Richard Hammond and James May ) plan to put this v10 2.0 engine in mazda mx-5 , even they show the engine to Gordon Murray . a lot picture in internet
DRIVETRIBE (Richard Hammond and James May ) plan to put this v10 2.0 engine in mazda mx-5 , even they show the engine to Gordon Murray . a lot picture in internet
I had a 1999 F-350 6.8L V10 in my fleet for 14 years and 678,500ish miles. The only reason we don’t have it anymore is because a dumb 16 year old texting ran a red light and t boned the truck. That engine was incredible.
That sounds really unfortunate, always see people distracted driving and most get away with it. Glad you enjoyed yours though 678k is absolutely insane.
@@running2redline I tried to find another V10 F-350 because they tow so well, but most companies beat the hell out of their work trucks and do not do the proper maintenance to keep them going that long. We ended up going with a F-450 6.7L Power stroke but the truck was $68,000 which sucked to buy. I kid you not I bought that 1999 in 2001 for $19,000 flat and never even had a problem until around 220,000 miles. Gosh, I miss that truck.
@@SuperSnakePlisskenhow much do you tow, as Here in Europe they use an Audi a4 or something similar with a Diesel engine to tow campers. For 3,5 tons which is a Bit more than 7000 pounds a Toyota hillux would be more than enough, or BMW X5/7, Mercedes GLE/G class
@@Humbulla93In America we are much more fortunate to not have to use regular vehicles to tow heavy loads. I tow way more weight then that typically 10,000 to 15,000 lbs and some times a little bit more depending on what we are delivering. I ended up getting a great deal on a 2019 F-450 4x4 which is the best towing truck that Ford makes. The F-550 is for ambulances and power line companies that need to haul up to 10,000 lbs on the frame, but the F-450 is designed to tow up to 30,000 lbs which now allows me to do larger loads than I've done before. Ironically, I had to go get my CDL license in order to tow more than 30,000 lbs here in the US. I'll have that completed in about another two months.
14 years and 187,000 smiles of fun with my s85 with proper maintenance. I would love to see the reliability of an m80 or a VAG/LAMBO at 187,000 miles. Any v10 will become a money pit if 1) you don’t have any money to begin with, and 2) if it’s not serviced properly. Unfortunately too many “ballers on beer budgets” that rented/leased their s85s and treated them like rentals.
Totally agree, and certainly what other car has endured such abuse as the M5 E60? No Carrera GT or LFA has ever been abused the way the M5 E60 has been abused
@@valeriypupkinyes but a sports sedan is supposed to be a daily driver and have somewhat low running cost and long service intervals not like a hypercar
I would argue that the s85 deserves s tier solely for its sound. That and the lfa are 2 of the best sounding production cars ever. Love a good rotary and a good turbo 6 cylinder but stock they don’t come close to the m5 v10 and lfa, they make mechanical music.
Fair point, if we consider cost too it’s easily the best value engine here. While the 1LR and M80 are glorious, they had a budget of the entire viper itself. I’m impressed with how much boost they hold too. Thanks for watching!
Honestly Gen 1 should've A or S and 5 should've been S tier. Those motors have far more torque, far more reliability, and just as much tuning potential as the Lambo V10s especially with stock components, it's a shame they didn't come with many forged internals between the 2nd to 4th gen.
@@sayandhsooraj1361The Actually the viper V10 motor is not bigger than the R8 V10 due to its 2 valve design and has less cams than the R8s. My 7L LS7 is physically smaller than half of all engines ever made. Hp per liter is irrelevant
The RS6 C6 motor is just an insane gem. I’m still sour they never brought it to the states. When 10 cylinders wasn’t enough for Audi: “let’s slap 2 turbos on them!” 😊
5.0 tdi definitely deserves at least C tier forbhow awesome it is, yeah its not the most reliable but its one of the only v10 diesel engines ever produced (only 3 if i recall correctly) and there are probably more working tritons than all the other engines combined. Its porven itself for over 20 years basically unchanged because its so good. Its no racing engine, but itll tow whatever you want for as long as you want with no real issues whatsoever.
Yep I think so too because the bigest problem is maintainace and well it's a big engines in a relativly small engine bay so a mechanic can't reach the needed stuff that leads too the case that they drop the supframe + engine out of the car and off course that is exesive for most shops but in fairness most mid engine v10 in that list have the same problem too same extend but being installed in a supercar with a high price tag and the reputation of the brand (see porsche and there maintainace Service list 😅) has the advantage that the owners cann throw cash at the problem and there supercar isn't ther grocery getter so a longer down time doesn't really matter too them therfore there are less reports about that
Love the ford V10.. it's a 4.6 with extra cylinders... those damn spark plugs though...... Crank weaknesses is over exaggerated as long as you don't over tune..
My family had a v10 TDI. It lasted us 230k miles and the Touareg it was placed in was a very nice car. I wouldn’t hate on the TDI much, it’s a great engine
@@adamlewellen5081 actually it’s the 5.4 with two extra cylinders. If you multiply the 5.4L displacement by 1.25 (or 10/8) you get 6.75L , which rounds up to 6.8L.
It certainly wasn't meant for racing but that didn't keep Audi from initially considering it for what would later become their diesel LMP program that would dominate the mid to late 2000s enduro racing scene with their diesel V12 they eventually wound up with. Taurus Racing (with help from Caterpillar of all companies) on the other hand did champion this engine twice at LeMans (and a few other showings in endurance races across 2005 and 2006), but with little success both times (one being down to engine problems, the other being down to the manual transmission fitted to it failing after 35 laps of running due to being unable to handle the amount of torque the engine had been tuned up to).
@@Jake_Smith7472 well that's subjective entirely. We are talking about what makes an engine stand apart from the rest. The sound is generalized to be one of the best sounding and most unique of mass produced vehicles. Quality of engineering is more complex than the average engine. Reliability is not bad as long as you care for it properly. Properly not meaning basic car maintenance as this isn't your average car; this would need more attention as it is high output.
The 5.2 FSI found in the Audi S6/S8 is notoriously hard and expensive to maintain as mileage increases. The most common failure point is the intake manifold, where plastic flaps that close at low rpm for more torque fail. Intake manifold is $5k just in parts, let alone labor. There’s a reason the S85 and 5.2 FSI cars are so inexpensive.
The Ford V10 is actually very reliable, the spark plug issue only existed on the factory spark plugs and other than that it was very reliable, even the 3V variant was just as reliable as it lacked VCT, which is what causes so many issues with the 5.4L 3v
I think the first gen had the spark plugs backing out similarly to the 5.4L. And all of them had the poorly designed two piece plugs, that were replaced with a better single piece design that got rid of that breakage problem. Despite the applications these were put in, they are very reliable with many on the road with well over 300k miles. I don't know how many other V10s on this list can say that.
I own a 94 Dodge Ram with a 8.0 V10 and it’s a different experience than I’ve been used to. I grew up with big block V8s when we needed real power to tow. The lowest we would dip was either a Ford 302 or a GM 350. I have had over the years 4 cylinder and V6 trucks for every day use. I briefly had a 300 Ford in-line 6, but a deer decided to jump the fence right as I passed by.
I’d like to add that the engines UGR pushes to 3,500 are fully built billet block designs where they basically have nothing left over from the original engine. On stock internals they can push close to 1,500 which in and of itself is incredibly impressive but they blow up anything past 1800 wheel and are not very reliable. With fully upgraded Internals you can push 2,100-2,300 but anything past that is ticking time bomb even fully built. Those 3k+ motors are billet blocks and have absolutely zero stock components on them.
To give the triton 6.8 some love, there is a channel here that’s has successfully developed 4 valve heads with dual overhead cams. They just finished the wiring harness so we will see just how it to turn out. Should sound crazy.
@@running2redline They used cobra heads and welded an extra cylinder on there. It’ll have custom Tom Warren camshafts, custom intake manifold and dual throttle bodies.
@@running2redline Yeah, I don’t remember exactly how they did it but I remember them welding bits of it. I’m just glad someone is giving that v10 the love it deserves. A dohc 6.8 is a massive over head cam engine already so hopefully that thing will have a nasty power band.
The BMW S85 V10 won multiple International Engine of the Year awards, including Best New Engine (2005), Best Performance Engine (2005-2007), and Best Above 4.0 Liters (2005-2008). Despite the issues deserved higher than a B.
Great video! I like how you broke it up into sections for the different regions... You should make a follow up to the original V8 video for foreign V8's!
If you search "Drivetribe Connaught" here in UA-cam, you will find four videos related to the 2.0 V10: two speaking about it and showing it, and other two for a swap to an MX-5 (although is not going so well). BTW, Drivetrive was created by Orangutan, Captain Slow and Hamster... Aka Jeremy Clarkson, James May and Richard Hammond hahaha
I personally love the sound of the Triton V10 and they seem to be a quite reliable engine, considering they were used for over 20 years. I definitely agree with the part about the spark plugs, but other than that these engines were people's go-to if they wanted a Ford truck, but couldn't afford the diesel. But I'm also a huge Triton V10 fan so I might be suffering from bias lol. But yeah this was a great list, I'd love to see more. Maybe a big block tier list or a V6 tier list
Should hear one through a thrush glasspack. Knew ranch truck back in highschool that through various events ended up in need of a new muffler and the mighty thrush glasspack was chosen. Lord help me we had a racecar.
A 2.0l v10 sounds amazing. Yes you can get the same results with less cylinders however the more cylinders on a smaller Liter the smoother the engine will run.
I think the S85 is rather undervalued. The main reason is the engines break in the hands of people that can't maintain and drive them properly. And by driving i mean wait until the oil is warm to keep the bearings sufficiently lubed. Sure the tolerances are a bit tight for a street car but an 8500rpm engine should be treated like a super car engine but i doubt that later owners did this.
That sounds like a really solid theory to me, I feel like almost all modern engines can go to high mileage with proper maintenance. If I’m not wrong I believe a lot of the reliability complaints stem from the transmission rather than the engine as well. Hope you enjoyed the video and thanks for watching!
@@running2redline most complaints about the gearbox regard it being jerky and slow but i havent heard it breaking. Regarding the engine itself mechanics and engineers criticized the choice of the pistons rings. Another valid complait that ist consistent with BMWs of that era are plastic internals like chain guides. These simply disintegrate over time. Also the tensioners may fail. Not too risky for an M54@6500rpm but definitely for a high reving engine.
because the S85 is a POS slow engine, got whooped by the M113K and 6.1 hemi mod for mod. Even multiple Jeep 5000 lb SRT8s suvs have faster times than the fastest modded S85s
@@YouThana I never see those slow s85 turds at a track. My track is usually filled with miatas, corvettes, brzs, camaros, mustangs, hondas, maybe some golfs etc Also the E60 M5 is 4000 lbs, nobody is taking it to a circuit.
Dont know if its been mentioned. The S85 didnt have defective rod bearings. They set the bearing clearances for a race engine which was too tight and not made for street longevity. Run the wrong oil or dont warm up the oil properly at tight clearances and you have a problem.
The gen 5 Viper 8.4L V10 is SS++ tier. It propelled the Viper to a factory Nurburgring record and to 6 second passes at the drag strip. As far as I'm aware few engines have ever done both these things in the same car. It may be one of the top 10 greatest engines of all time. It's the LS of V10 blocks.
If you ever do a truck v10 tier list, you should definitly check out the jdm market from the 90s. They had 30l N/A V10 diesels with up to 600hp in a cabover
every other country in the world: we put a V10 in this car to make it fast and elegant USA: got me my F350 here with the V10, gonna go haul that trailer over there
All the Viper engines are extremely stout and are all easily capable of 2,500hp minimum. He forgot to mention Nyth Moto has two vipers that make 3,500hp and have never had and engine failure. Extremely reliable and durable. The Viper also won 3 Lemans championships in succession and would've been four if chrysler didn't pull out for a year. Not to mention every year they won, all podium finishes were Vipers.
@@aimxdy8680 without sleeves. Ford Coyote fans love claiming stock block. Even though they are sleeved. Aluminum blocks do not hold the load, the sleeves do.
I usually don’t respond to shit jokes but alot of american engines are smaller physically due to 2 valve design, they can go high displacement because they have less cams and less valves. My 7L LS7 is compact and is physically smaller than half of all engines made lmao.
Something i wanted to point out. The RS6 5.0 TFSI is a variant of the S6 5.2, so is the R8 5.2. The Gallardo 5.0 is an entirely different engine. The S6/S8 5.2 was originally made in 06 with 450hp (de-tuned to 435 in the S6) and a 7000rpm redline. It was a wet sump system with a crank-pin offset for an even firing, it also had a dual stage intake manifold for high rpm horsepower and low end torque since its in luxury sedans. The RS6 and R8 are actually very similar. Both are variants of the S6 5.2 that make more power in different ways. Both the RS6 5.0 and R8 5.2 have a single pin crank to support the added power, as well as stronger con rods and different cams to support the now odd-firing engine. They both did away with the dual stage intake and went for less restrictive alternatives since the RS6 has turbos for the torque and the R8 really doesn’t care about low end torque. Similarities end about there. The RS6 was downsized to 5.0 because compression went from 12.5:1 to 10.5:1 since it was now twin turbocharged. It kept the wet sump system and rpm was actually lowered to about 6500 from the S6’s 7000 since it uses the turbos to make power. The R8’s displacement and compression are identical to the S6. It had a few changes for high rpm like the single pin crank, con-rods, etc like the RS6. However, it converted to a dry sump oil system and dual fuel injection (port and direct). The redline was increased to 8000-9000 depending on model and year, as this variant was used in the face lifted Gallardo, R8, and Huracan.
For me the S85 has to be at least on tier A. Yes you have to maintain it, but the engine is very capable. The 5.2 FSI in the S6/S8 is in my opinion very bad, it wont perform and the consumption is very high. I really do not understand why Audi has not put the 5.0 TFSI in it, in case of the S8. Back to the rating, i would put the S85 into A or maybe S and the 5.2 FSI(S6/S8) into C.
Overall, this is a pretty good list, but I think the S85 deserves to be in the A tier because of how unique it is compared to the other engines. It feels and sounds quite different from the other V10’s. It’s definitely not the most reliable one, but a lot of the issues these engines are “known” for are easily preventable with maintenance and a driver mod. And for the enthusiasts out there, the S85 was also available with a 6-speed manual transmission. nevertheless great list, keep up the good work.
The S85 is the only V10 outside of a Ford diesel that gets used like a daily driver. Id he willing to bet alot of these V10s would be considered problematic if they were driven as hard as the S85 does.
My top 4 V10s ever made The screaming 3L V10 in F1 from 96 to 08 The beautiful sounding Judd v10 Engine in the dallara SP1 LMP1 car from 2001 the LFA and finally the 5 L V 10 in the E60 M5
5:28 There is a documentary available on the topic and you can find it by searching the title on UA-cam. ( We found the lost 2.0-litre V10 sportscar!) then skip to the part where they begin at 7: 19.
The M80 originally started as an F1 engine but was shelved when Porsche withdrew as an engine manufacturer. It was tested in the LeMans car was later shelved again until it finally found its use in the Carrera GT.
I currently have both down as separate videos on my list. Might even have to divide it by region (US, Euro, JDM) as well because there are so many. Will definitely make it happen though. Thanks for the suggestion I appreciate it!
@@damiandorhoff719 You may notice in my other vids but I do indeed have a Porsche obsession. My first time at the track a GT3RS flew by me and I was hooked. I’ll definitely make a flat 6 video happen!
A British car channel named DriveTribe is putting the 2L V10 in a MX5/Miata, they have a whole bunch of videos on it. They are also putting the S85 V10 in another MX5 lmao
I actually think this list is great, personally I'd put the M80 down one tier though. It sounds great in the higher rpms but below/around 4500-5000 its known for sounding not just underwhelming, but genuinely bad. It also doesn't drive THAT well. It's definitely iconic but I find it hard to justify it on the same level as the LFA
Pretty good. I take exception to the rankings on the Viper V 10. The 2nd generation Viper V10 fixing the reliability issues and increased power helping it to win at 24 hours at Daytona and 3 victories on Nurburgring deserves at least A tier if not S (remember to judge an engine compared to its era). The details listed for the fifth generation should bump it up to S tier. As great as the LFA engine is I'm not seeing where the car had outstanding success and given it's short run. I think it is more an A tier.
The s85 is special until it’s on the lift with a huge repair bill. I love bmw but I’m surprised he gave it a B. An engine should be equally as powerful and fascinating as it is reliable. And while a lot of people appreciate this engine, very few will buy the cars it comes in.
Does the Porsche CGT's M80 V10 really have a flat-plane crankshaft? I thought that was a design exclusively limited to V8's and some 4 cylinders. does that make it a flat-plane crank V10?
Yes, I thought it odd as well, but it is indeed a flat plane crank V10. Here was my source, the first paragraph of this article. Thanks for watching! blog.dupontregistry.com/features/637169/2005-porsche-carrera-gt-heading-auction/amp/
@@running2redline Ah, I thought there would be a good reason. Makes sense. If you can ever find a way around this I'm sure your videos would get even more views though. Keep up the good work.
Hey, wasn't there a updated in '06 for the 8.3 Viper V10? Where they launched a coupe version of the 3rd gen Viper and a extended cab for the RAM while bumping the power to 550hp??
I thought it was bumped to 510, which I considered negligible to where it was rated. The 2006 Ram on the other hand from what I could find online remained at 500. I could be wrong though, I hope you enjoyed the video!
@@running2redline no worries, i'm just confused about that, good tier overall, and evan if i didn't like, it's your opinion, keep going and one day you will be great
The 6.8 ford very nearly ended up powering the 2005 ford GT before they went with a supercharged 5.4 litre V8. Although it would have had 4 valve heads. But since they basically took the modular V8 and added two cylinders it shared alot of the same problems as them unfortunately
also a very cool thing with the viper engine is that when you reduce the displacement to 7.6, you can get it ro rev to 8000rpms and it sounds like a huracan. ua-cam.com/video/_0LD6Ty-nxQ/v-deo.html
The 1LR is not a high note (I see what you did there Mr.) It is the HIGHEST NOTE. A sample is in the Yamaha Museum's section for MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS!!!!!
I would love to and it’s been a thought in the past. However, it creates copyright issues with having to take the audio from elsewhere considering that (unfortunately) I don’t own all these engines
I’m being very nit picky here but the CGT V10 does not have a flat plane crankshaft, that’s not possible in a V10. I’m guessing you meant even firing like the 1LR and Lamborghini Gallardo 5.0
I thought it odd as well, but my understanding is the orientation of the crankshaft lobes is independent of cylinder quantity. This was the article I found it in first paragraph. I think DuPont registry is reliable but let me know if you think this is wrong, I am curious as well! blog.dupontregistry.com/features/637169/2005-porsche-carrera-gt-heading-auction/amp/
Did street cars only here, I would have a hard time putting any of those anywhere but S tier. My personal opinion is that the F1 V10s were the greatest engines ever made. However if I start including all race car engines in the series the videos will get lengthy. A separate video dedicated to that might be something I make happen! Thanks for watching
Understandable, I wanted to do that but would have a copyright issue taking others audio. I’m looking into a workaround for the upcoming videos, thanks for watching!
To be fair if we’re talking purely about the engine itself, that’s independent to mounting orientation. Very well could’ve gotten that one wrong though, hope you enjoyed the video!
Yes, the Magnum photo is a Cummins I6. I was editing very late and did something rather dumb, my mistake
Hey everyone! I tried to make this video much more informative and comprehensive than my previous tier list, and I hope you enjoy. Also be sure to let me know how you would rank things differently!
bro you should add those engine sounds
you missed the LS v10, at least deserves a mention as its pretty cool
@@toshanilov7250 This is exactly what I was going to say. I want to hear some engine noise from them. I more than likely have heard em all as I'm addicted to v10s.
DRIVETRIBE (Richard Hammond and James May ) plan to put this v10 2.0 engine in mazda mx-5 , even they show the engine to Gordon Murray . a lot picture in internet
I don't get why the dodge v10's are so low. they were the first to mass produce the gas powered v10 and they solved issues with it (balancing issues). honestly, the first v10 they made should at least be A tier because it was the first to do it. not to mention, several of them made more power or just as much power as S tier.
I love how the biggest European V10 has a 5.7L displacement and the smallest american one has 6.8L😂
And thats good 🤙🏼
Which make more torque.
MAN a german manufacturer produced an eightteen liter V10 the D2840 till the year 2000
@@Zimtanbautgats truck, lorry whatever engine. These on the list were used in cars or trucks (as a pickup). Cars engines and trucks, lorry engine are a cmpletly different story.
@@thedarwin6363 the Triton V10 is also a truck engine as it was used in vehicles with a GVW over 3.5 metric tons.
Want to note, As a Gen 2 Viper owner, you had the pictures of the GEN1 and GEN2 engines switched. While not a huge difference, G1 and G2 have different alternator locations, as well as different water pumps. The Early Gen2 engines also had forged internals.
Bottom tier v10s either way
@@eag8999 bottom tier comment. Normie🤣🤣🤣
@@yung829 ratio says otherwise
@@eag8999 normies here too🤣
DRIVETRIBE (Richard Hammond and James May ) plan to put this v10 2.0 engine in mazda mx-5 , even they show the engine to Gordon Murray . a lot picture in internet
Great list but I think the gen 5 viper motor deserves to be S Tier, just because of the fact how much boost it can handle
Agreed 💯
So true. I hear about a lot of people putting decent amount of powers on them stock in North Carolina.
@@yung829wait till you hear about texas 😂
@@Ryan-iu2xl💀
DRIVETRIBE (Richard Hammond and James May ) plan to put this v10 2.0 engine in mazda mx-5 , even they show the engine to Gordon Murray . a lot picture in internet
I had a 1999 F-350 6.8L V10 in my fleet for 14 years and 678,500ish miles. The only reason we don’t have it anymore is because a dumb 16 year old texting ran a red light and t boned the truck.
That engine was incredible.
That sounds really unfortunate, always see people distracted driving and most get away with it. Glad you enjoyed yours though 678k is absolutely insane.
@@running2redline I tried to find another V10 F-350 because they tow so well, but most companies beat the hell out of their work trucks and do not do the proper maintenance to keep them going that long. We ended up going with a F-450 6.7L Power stroke but the truck was $68,000 which sucked to buy. I kid you not I bought that 1999 in 2001 for $19,000 flat and never even had a problem until around 220,000 miles. Gosh, I miss that truck.
@@SuperSnakePlisskenhow much do you tow, as Here in Europe they use an Audi a4 or something similar with a Diesel engine to tow campers. For 3,5 tons which is a Bit more than 7000 pounds a Toyota hillux would be more than enough, or BMW X5/7, Mercedes GLE/G class
@@Humbulla93In America we are much more fortunate to not have to use regular vehicles to tow heavy loads. I tow way more weight then that typically 10,000 to 15,000 lbs and some times a little bit more depending on what we are delivering.
I ended up getting a great deal on a 2019 F-450 4x4 which is the best towing truck that Ford makes. The F-550 is for ambulances and power line companies that need to haul up to 10,000 lbs on the frame, but the F-450 is designed to tow up to 30,000 lbs which now allows me to do larger loads than I've done before.
Ironically, I had to go get my CDL license in order to tow more than 30,000 lbs here in the US. I'll have that completed in about another two months.
To be fair. The S85 rod bearing issue can be fixed by just replacing them with good quality ones.
14 years and 187,000 smiles of fun with my s85 with proper maintenance. I would love to see the reliability of an m80 or a VAG/LAMBO at 187,000 miles.
Any v10 will become a money pit if 1) you don’t have any money to begin with, and 2) if it’s not serviced properly. Unfortunately too many “ballers on beer budgets” that rented/leased their s85s and treated them like rentals.
Totally agree, and certainly what other car has endured such abuse as the M5 E60? No Carrera GT or LFA has ever been abused the way the M5 E60 has been abused
And heaveir oil
@@valeriypupkinyes but a sports sedan is supposed to be a daily driver and have somewhat low running cost and long service intervals not like a hypercar
I would argue that the s85 deserves s tier solely for its sound. That and the lfa are 2 of the best sounding production cars ever. Love a good rotary and a good turbo 6 cylinder but stock they don’t come close to the m5 v10 and lfa, they make mechanical music.
The viper v10s I think deserve more recognition because like the LFA V10, they are able to crank out excellent power yet are extremely reliable
Fair point, if we consider cost too it’s easily the best value engine here. While the 1LR and M80 are glorious, they had a budget of the entire viper itself. I’m impressed with how much boost they hold too. Thanks for watching!
I 100% agree with the Viper motor being the best value motor on the list. I love the diesel-like torque and reliability!
Honestly Gen 1 should've A or S and 5 should've been S tier. Those motors have far more torque, far more reliability, and just as much tuning potential as the Lambo V10s especially with stock components, it's a shame they didn't come with many forged internals between the 2nd to 4th gen.
@@youngrody2386 but its also around 3.0L more than the audi v10s
@@sayandhsooraj1361The Actually the viper V10 motor is not bigger than the R8 V10 due to its 2 valve design and has less cams than the R8s. My 7L LS7 is physically smaller than half of all engines ever made. Hp per liter is irrelevant
The RS6 C6 motor is just an insane gem. I’m still sour they never brought it to the states. When 10 cylinders wasn’t enough for Audi: “let’s slap 2 turbos on them!” 😊
Totally agree, love the choice of putting such an engine in an RS6 too. It’s like a wagon that beats on supercars.
@@running2redlineit's unfortunate they never thought it through all the way, they twist the chassis in the cars like there's no tomorrow
5.0 tdi definitely deserves at least C tier forbhow awesome it is, yeah its not the most reliable but its one of the only v10 diesel engines ever produced (only 3 if i recall correctly) and there are probably more working tritons than all the other engines combined. Its porven itself for over 20 years basically unchanged because its so good. Its no racing engine, but itll tow whatever you want for as long as you want with no real issues whatsoever.
Yep I think so too because the bigest problem is maintainace and well it's a big engines in a relativly small engine bay so a mechanic can't reach the needed stuff that leads too the case that they drop the supframe + engine out of the car and off course that is exesive for most shops but in fairness most mid engine v10 in that list have the same problem too same extend but being installed in a supercar with a high price tag and the reputation of the brand (see porsche and there maintainace Service list 😅) has the advantage that the owners cann throw cash at the problem and there supercar isn't ther grocery getter so a longer down time doesn't really matter too them therfore there are less reports about that
Love the ford V10.. it's a 4.6 with extra cylinders... those damn spark plugs though...... Crank weaknesses is over exaggerated as long as you don't over tune..
My family had a v10 TDI. It lasted us 230k miles and the Touareg it was placed in was a very nice car. I wouldn’t hate on the TDI much, it’s a great engine
@@adamlewellen5081 actually it’s the 5.4 with two extra cylinders. If you multiply the 5.4L displacement by 1.25 (or 10/8) you get 6.75L , which rounds up to 6.8L.
It certainly wasn't meant for racing but that didn't keep Audi from initially considering it for what would later become their diesel LMP program that would dominate the mid to late 2000s enduro racing scene with their diesel V12 they eventually wound up with. Taurus Racing (with help from Caterpillar of all companies) on the other hand did champion this engine twice at LeMans (and a few other showings in endurance races across 2005 and 2006), but with little success both times (one being down to engine problems, the other being down to the manual transmission fitted to it failing after 35 laps of running due to being unable to handle the amount of torque the engine had been tuned up to).
V12 list next? Glad to see a V10 tier list they dont get enough love
I’ll make it happen! Thanks for watching
Th s85 should most definitely be higher on the list. A F1 derived engine that revs to 8250 with 507 NA hp is definately special!
Fair enough, I do love that sound. Thanks for watching
Sounds isn't that great. And they're an old bmw engine... junk
@@Jake_Smith7472 well that's subjective entirely. We are talking about what makes an engine stand apart from the rest. The sound is generalized to be one of the best sounding and most unique of mass produced vehicles. Quality of engineering is more complex than the average engine. Reliability is not bad as long as you care for it properly. Properly not meaning basic car maintenance as this isn't your average car; this would need more attention as it is high output.
@@jjrimz99tandem_drifter ok fair enough. agreed
I was about to say that…
The 5.2 FSI found in the Audi S6/S8 is notoriously hard and expensive to maintain as mileage increases. The most common failure point is the intake manifold, where plastic flaps that close at low rpm for more torque fail. Intake manifold is $5k just in parts, let alone labor. There’s a reason the S85 and 5.2 FSI cars are so inexpensive.
The Ford V10 is actually very reliable, the spark plug issue only existed on the factory spark plugs and other than that it was very reliable, even the 3V variant was just as reliable as it lacked VCT, which is what causes so many issues with the 5.4L 3v
I think the first gen had the spark plugs backing out similarly to the 5.4L. And all of them had the poorly designed two piece plugs, that were replaced with a better single piece design that got rid of that breakage problem.
Despite the applications these were put in, they are very reliable with many on the road with well over 300k miles. I don't know how many other V10s on this list can say that.
Awesome vid, awesome list! Besides the V6 like other people mentioned, I think a V12 list would be interesting as well. 👏
Completely agree! Thanks for the suggestion
I own a 94 Dodge Ram with a 8.0 V10 and it’s a different experience than I’ve been used to. I grew up with big block V8s when we needed real power to tow. The lowest we would dip was either a Ford 302 or a GM 350. I have had over the years 4 cylinder and V6 trucks for every day use. I briefly had a 300 Ford in-line 6, but a deer decided to jump the fence right as I passed by.
S85 in B tier is a violation. Those "issues" are caused by user error. A tier minimum.
Also should note that rod bearing failure only happened to 3% of the entire amount produced. I wouldn't call that "prominent"
I love the amount of information you put into the lists. Totally agree with the placements and keep up the great vids 👍🏼
Glad you enjoyed, thanks for watching!
I’d like to add that the engines UGR pushes to 3,500 are fully built billet block designs where they basically have nothing left over from the original engine. On stock internals they can push close to 1,500 which in and of itself is incredibly impressive but they blow up anything past 1800 wheel and are not very reliable. With fully upgraded Internals you can push 2,100-2,300 but anything past that is ticking time bomb even fully built. Those 3k+ motors are billet blocks and have absolutely zero stock components on them.
To give the triton 6.8 some love, there is a channel here that’s has successfully developed 4 valve heads with dual overhead cams. They just finished the wiring harness so we will see just how it to turn out. Should sound crazy.
That sounds super fascinating, any chance you remember the name? I’d love to check it out.
@@running2redline channel is called buildityourself
@@running2redline They used cobra heads and welded an extra cylinder on there. It’ll have custom Tom Warren camshafts, custom intake manifold and dual throttle bodies.
That welder must be a legend, I’ll go take a look that’s so cool. Thank you
@@running2redline Yeah, I don’t remember exactly how they did it but I remember them welding bits of it. I’m just glad someone is giving that v10 the love it deserves. A dohc 6.8 is a massive over head cam engine already so hopefully that thing will have a nasty power band.
The BMW S85 V10 won multiple International Engine of the Year awards, including Best New Engine (2005), Best Performance Engine (2005-2007), and Best Above 4.0 Liters (2005-2008). Despite the issues deserved higher than a B.
That’s a really valid point, can’t say I could disagree there. Thanks for watching!
So? These are turds and always blow up, they can’t even handle 2 psi of boost ☠️
I knew a guy who hated Ford but swore by the Triton V10 from all the high mileage buses he worked on
Great video! I like how you broke it up into sections for the different regions... You should make a follow up to the original V8 video for foreign V8's!
That’s a great idea, I’ll add it to my queue. Glad you enjoyed!
If you search "Drivetribe Connaught" here in UA-cam, you will find four videos related to the 2.0 V10: two speaking about it and showing it, and other two for a swap to an MX-5 (although is not going so well).
BTW, Drivetrive was created by Orangutan, Captain Slow and Hamster... Aka Jeremy Clarkson, James May and Richard Hammond hahaha
@drivetribe is actually putting the tiny 2liter v10 in a miata and there are videos where you can see the engine on their channel
I’ll be sure to check it out. Thanks for letting everyone know that sounds fascinating!
I personally love the sound of the Triton V10 and they seem to be a quite reliable engine, considering they were used for over 20 years. I definitely agree with the part about the spark plugs, but other than that these engines were people's go-to if they wanted a Ford truck, but couldn't afford the diesel. But I'm also a huge Triton V10 fan so I might be suffering from bias lol. But yeah this was a great list, I'd love to see more. Maybe a big block tier list or a V6 tier list
Cope
Should hear one through a thrush glasspack. Knew ranch truck back in highschool that through various events ended up in need of a new muffler and the mighty thrush glasspack was chosen. Lord help me we had a racecar.
They’re a nightmare repair tho
@@alsomedog253 That I do agree with I wouldn't want to do any major repairs on a V10
A 2.0l v10 sounds amazing. Yes you can get the same results with less cylinders however the more cylinders on a smaller Liter the smoother the engine will run.
I think the S85 is rather undervalued. The main reason is the engines break in the hands of people that can't maintain and drive them properly. And by driving i mean wait until the oil is warm to keep the bearings sufficiently lubed. Sure the tolerances are a bit tight for a street car but an 8500rpm engine should be treated like a super car engine but i doubt that later owners did this.
That sounds like a really solid theory to me, I feel like almost all modern engines can go to high mileage with proper maintenance. If I’m not wrong I believe a lot of the reliability complaints stem from the transmission rather than the engine as well. Hope you enjoyed the video and thanks for watching!
@@running2redline most complaints about the gearbox regard it being jerky and slow but i havent heard it breaking. Regarding the engine itself mechanics and engineers criticized the choice of the pistons rings. Another valid complait that ist consistent with BMWs of that era are plastic internals like chain guides. These simply disintegrate over time. Also the tensioners may fail. Not too risky for an M54@6500rpm but definitely for a high reving engine.
because the S85 is a POS slow engine, got whooped by the M113K and 6.1 hemi mod for mod. Even multiple Jeep 5000 lb SRT8s suvs have faster times than the fastest modded S85s
@@aimxdy8680 you realise that power to weight and weight distribution are a thing in cars? Any track with corners will favour the S85.
@@YouThana I never see those slow s85 turds at a track. My track is usually filled with miatas, corvettes, brzs, camaros, mustangs, hondas, maybe some golfs etc Also the E60 M5 is 4000 lbs, nobody is taking it to a circuit.
My neighbor has a triton v10 in her excursion and it has 360k miles and she still daily drives it to work
That’s incredible, I’m sure it’s well maintained. Thanks for watching
That's a lot of gas lol. But still awesome
Dont know if its been mentioned. The S85 didnt have defective rod bearings. They set the bearing clearances for a race engine which was too tight and not made for street longevity. Run the wrong oil or dont warm up the oil properly at tight clearances and you have a problem.
Yes thank you
The gen 5 Viper 8.4L V10 is SS++ tier. It propelled the Viper to a factory Nurburgring record and to 6 second passes at the drag strip. As far as I'm aware few engines have ever done both these things in the same car. It may be one of the top 10 greatest engines of all time. It's the LS of V10 blocks.
If you ever do a truck v10 tier list, you should definitly check out the jdm market from the 90s. They had 30l N/A V10 diesels with up to 600hp in a cabover
I was missing the sound of the engines, would be great if you could add the sounds the engines make in your next video.
Great video btw :)
every other country in the world: we put a V10 in this car to make it fast and elegant
USA: got me my F350 here with the V10, gonna go haul that trailer over there
🦅
Mercedes had it in a truck.
All the Viper engines are extremely stout and are all easily capable of 2,500hp minimum. He forgot to mention Nyth Moto has two vipers that make 3,500hp and have never had and engine failure. Extremely reliable and durable. The Viper also won 3 Lemans championships in succession and would've been four if chrysler didn't pull out for a year. Not to mention every year they won, all podium finishes were Vipers.
Really interesting stuff, thanks for watching!
They made 3500 hp on stock block lmao, 6.6 second 1/4 mile at 220+ mph. STOCK BLOCK
@@aimxdy8680 without sleeves. Ford Coyote fans love claiming stock block. Even though they are sleeved. Aluminum blocks do not hold the load, the sleeves do.
I think this Is the first time I fully agree with a tier list someone else has made about anything.
I think this is the first time I’ve heard that lol. Glad you enjoyed the video!
Europe: makes engine more intricate and uses science to engineer a more efficient way to make more power.
Merica: *make it bigger*
I usually don’t respond to shit jokes but alot of american engines are smaller physically due to 2 valve design, they can go high displacement because they have less cams and less valves. My 7L LS7 is compact and is physically smaller than half of all engines made lmao.
Something i wanted to point out. The RS6 5.0 TFSI is a variant of the S6 5.2, so is the R8 5.2. The Gallardo 5.0 is an entirely different engine. The S6/S8 5.2 was originally made in 06 with 450hp (de-tuned to 435 in the S6) and a 7000rpm redline. It was a wet sump system with a crank-pin offset for an even firing, it also had a dual stage intake manifold for high rpm horsepower and low end torque since its in luxury sedans. The RS6 and R8 are actually very similar. Both are variants of the S6 5.2 that make more power in different ways.
Both the RS6 5.0 and R8 5.2 have a single pin crank to support the added power, as well as stronger con rods and different cams to support the now odd-firing engine. They both did away with the dual stage intake and went for less restrictive alternatives since the RS6 has turbos for the torque and the R8 really doesn’t care about low end torque. Similarities end about there.
The RS6 was downsized to 5.0 because compression went from 12.5:1 to 10.5:1 since it was now twin turbocharged. It kept the wet sump system and rpm was actually lowered to about 6500 from the S6’s 7000 since it uses the turbos to make power.
The R8’s displacement and compression are identical to the S6. It had a few changes for high rpm like the single pin crank, con-rods, etc like the RS6. However, it converted to a dry sump oil system and dual fuel injection (port and direct). The redline was increased to 8000-9000 depending on model and year, as this variant was used in the face lifted Gallardo, R8, and Huracan.
This is all super interesting, thanks for the clarifications and information. I’m sure many people will find this useful!
Finally something for people with universally good taste.
For me the S85 has to be at least on tier A. Yes you have to maintain it, but the engine is very capable.
The 5.2 FSI in the S6/S8 is in my opinion very bad, it wont perform and the consumption is very high. I really do not understand why Audi has not put the 5.0 TFSI in it, in case of the S8.
Back to the rating, i would put the S85 into A or maybe S and the 5.2 FSI(S6/S8) into C.
Overall, this is a pretty good list, but I think the S85 deserves to be in the A tier because of how unique it is compared to the other engines. It feels and sounds quite different from the other V10’s. It’s definitely not the most reliable one, but a lot of the issues these engines are “known” for are easily preventable with maintenance and a driver mod. And for the enthusiasts out there, the S85 was also available with a 6-speed manual transmission. nevertheless great list, keep up the good work.
The S85 is the only V10 outside of a Ford diesel that gets used like a daily driver. Id he willing to bet alot of these V10s would be considered problematic if they were driven as hard as the S85 does.
That’s a really good point
My top 4 V10s ever made The screaming 3L V10 in F1 from 96 to 08 The beautiful sounding Judd v10 Engine in the dallara SP1 LMP1 car from 2001 the LFA and finally the 5 L V 10 in the E60 M5
5:28 There is a documentary available on the topic and you can find it by searching the title on UA-cam. ( We found the lost 2.0-litre V10 sportscar!)
then skip to the part where they begin at 7: 19.
The M80 originally started as an F1 engine but was shelved when Porsche withdrew as an engine manufacturer. It was tested in the LeMans car was later shelved again until it finally found its use in the Carrera GT.
That’s super interesting thank you!
@@running2redline You're welcome
V10s fkn ruleee, been hooked on that sound ever since driving a e60 m5
E60 M5 is one of the best sounding too, love the S85 note!
you should really add sound of each motor in the video
This ranking videos are great thanks for all the effort!
I’m glad to hear that! Got many more of this series in the pipeline, thanks for watching
I like the v6 idea video and maybe even include inline 6 engines unless that would work for a video in it of itself
I currently have both down as separate videos on my list. Might even have to divide it by region (US, Euro, JDM) as well because there are so many. Will definitely make it happen though. Thanks for the suggestion I appreciate it!
great video! loved the v8 list too 👌👌
Thanks I appreciate that and I’m glad you enjoyed!
we all knew what would be number 1
I’d like to add that the later Gen viper v10 is also used in the GTA Spano super car (with twin turbos)
I think an inline/straight 6 ranking would be cool
I’ll add it to my queue! That’s a great idea.
@@running2redline don´t forget the Flat 6 or Boxer 6 Engines. We don´t want to miss the Sound of a Porsche GT3/GT3 RS
@@damiandorhoff719 You may notice in my other vids but I do indeed have a Porsche obsession. My first time at the track a GT3RS flew by me and I was hooked. I’ll definitely make a flat 6 video happen!
I KNEW THAT LFA ENGINE WILL BE IN S CLASS!!
It’s just too incredible, thanks for watching!
The 5.0 tdi is for sure s tier ☝🏻
Super nice guide for v10 engines THANKS 💪🏻
A British car channel named DriveTribe is putting the 2L V10 in a MX5/Miata, they have a whole bunch of videos on it. They are also putting the S85 V10 in another MX5 lmao
For me Lambo/Audi 5.2 V10 is S tier!! Right up there with the Porsche 4.0 Liter Flat 6 and 3.8 Turbo Flat 6s
A fair list...
I actually think this list is great, personally I'd put the M80 down one tier though. It sounds great in the higher rpms but below/around 4500-5000 its known for sounding not just underwhelming, but genuinely bad. It also doesn't drive THAT well. It's definitely iconic but I find it hard to justify it on the same level as the LFA
I think that’s a fair assessment, especially regarding low rpm sound. Glad you enjoyed the video!
Pretty good.
I take exception to the rankings on the Viper V 10. The 2nd generation Viper V10 fixing the reliability issues and increased power helping it to win at 24 hours at Daytona and 3 victories on Nurburgring deserves at least A tier if not S (remember to judge an engine compared to its era). The details listed for the fifth generation should bump it up to S tier.
As great as the LFA engine is I'm not seeing where the car had outstanding success and given it's short run. I think it is more an A tier.
That’s all completely fair reasoning, can’t say I’d disagree. Thanks for watching!
@@running2redline thank you for making the lists and for being a good sport on my critique.
Always room for improvement, I’ve learned many valuable things from viewers input!
@@running2redline agreed, what makes someone great isn't perfection, it's the ability to learn from others and grow from it. You're on the right path.
One of my high school friend’s dad had a v10tdi Toureg…It was an interesting suv😂
S85 is a bulletproof motor as long as the rod bearings are taken care of. Love my m5 six speed
Did you Know that the Spania GTA is another car with the Viper engine. It came with the 8.0, 8.3 and the 8.4 from the Viper.
Awesome video! Now rank every inline 4 engines
Subbed! Need a V4, V6, V8, V12 list now!
Got them all in the queue, thanks for the sub I really appreciate that! Welcome to the channel.
yeah the lfa motor seems reliable because none of the owners drive it
That’s a fair point and quite a shame. Respect to the few who do use them though, thanks for watching
I mean, fair point, but still... it´s Toyota, come on.. 😅
Good work!
Good video, solid information
Glad you enjoyed, thanks for watching!
Word let’s get a v6 vid
I’ll add it to my queue, thanks for watching!
Do V6 engines next
Got it on my list! Thanks for watching
very good video i really liked it and your explaining
Glad to hear that, thanks for watching!
The s85 is special until it’s on the lift with a huge repair bill. I love bmw but I’m surprised he gave it a B. An engine should be equally as powerful and fascinating as it is reliable. And while a lot of people appreciate this engine, very few will buy the cars it comes in.
Drive Tribe looked into the Connaught if you want more info. The guy talked to the makers and all. Pretty cool.
Great video.... pls do a V12 tier list
Will do, glad you enjoyed!
@@running2redline 👍🏾
Yeah, great list, totally agree
Glad you enjoyed!
Love the list, good job!
Glad to hear that, thanks for watching
@@running2redline Of course, always looking for next upload. :)
Ooh this is going to be exciting!
Fun video! Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed, was fun to make it!
Does the Porsche CGT's M80 V10 really have a flat-plane crankshaft? I thought that was a design exclusively limited to V8's and some 4 cylinders. does that make it a flat-plane crank V10?
Yes, I thought it odd as well, but it is indeed a flat plane crank V10. Here was my source, the first paragraph of this article. Thanks for watching!
blog.dupontregistry.com/features/637169/2005-porsche-carrera-gt-heading-auction/amp/
@@running2redline thank you very much! that's insanely cool, I didn't know that was possible. Just makes that V10 that much cooler.
I own a 95 dodge v10. Great engine
Can I ask why you don’t provide examples of the exhaust note in these lists? It seems like such an obvious thing that would add so much to the videos.
Yes I wanted to but I can’t just take audio from others videos without copyright issues. Thanks for watching
@@running2redline Ah, I thought there would be a good reason. Makes sense.
If you can ever find a way around this I'm sure your videos would get even more views though. Keep up the good work.
V10tdi S tier plz
Gen V viper should be S tier especially for its accomplishments
I could agree with that, especially if price is a consideration. Best value on this list for sure, thanks for watching!
The V10 TDIs turbo placement is probably the worst ive ever seen, no wonder they were engineering nightmares.
Hey, wasn't there a updated in '06 for the 8.3 Viper V10? Where they launched a coupe version of the 3rd gen Viper and a extended cab for the RAM while bumping the power to 550hp??
I thought it was bumped to 510, which I considered negligible to where it was rated. The 2006 Ram on the other hand from what I could find online remained at 500. I could be wrong though, I hope you enjoyed the video!
@@running2redline no worries, i'm just confused about that, good tier overall, and evan if i didn't like, it's your opinion, keep going and one day you will be great
The 6.8 ford very nearly ended up powering the 2005 ford GT before they went with a supercharged 5.4 litre V8. Although it would have had 4 valve heads. But since they basically took the modular V8 and added two cylinders it shared alot of the same problems as them unfortunately
also a very cool thing with the viper engine is that when you reduce the displacement to 7.6, you can get it ro rev to 8000rpms and it sounds like a huracan.
ua-cam.com/video/_0LD6Ty-nxQ/v-deo.html
People do the same with the LS7. Destroked to 6.3L I think and it's capable of 8500 RPM. Sounds amazing
There are 9 liter solid roller dry sump viper v10s that rev to 7800rpm and about 8500rpm on boost.
Search "calvo motorsports viper"
good list!
Glad you enjoyed, thanks for watching!
The 1LR is not a high note (I see what you did there Mr.) It is the HIGHEST NOTE. A sample is in the Yamaha Museum's section for MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS!!!!!
Could listen to it all day
Is there a way to add the sound to each engine for comparison?
I would love to and it’s been a thought in the past. However, it creates copyright issues with having to take the audio from elsewhere considering that (unfortunately) I don’t own all these engines
@@running2redline Interesting. I hadn't considered that. Thanks for the great content!
I’m being very nit picky here but the CGT V10 does not have a flat plane crankshaft, that’s not possible in a V10. I’m guessing you meant even firing like the 1LR and Lamborghini Gallardo 5.0
I thought it odd as well, but my understanding is the orientation of the crankshaft lobes is independent of cylinder quantity. This was the article I found it in first paragraph. I think DuPont registry is reliable but let me know if you think this is wrong, I am curious as well!
blog.dupontregistry.com/features/637169/2005-porsche-carrera-gt-heading-auction/amp/
Excelente trabajo, 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 muchas gracias.
Glad you enjoyed!
I’d love a v6 vid🙏🙏
Got it in my video queue! I’ll probably have to break that up by US, Euro, and JDM because there are so many. Thanks for watching
It would be cool a video about inline 8 engines
Viper gen 5 should be s tier Nth performance and Calvin really put 5th gens on the map
Fair enough, the 3000 Hp vipers are completely bonkers. Thanks for watching!
Why did you not include the legendary f1 v10 era
Did street cars only here, I would have a hard time putting any of those anywhere but S tier. My personal opinion is that the F1 V10s were the greatest engines ever made. However if I start including all race car engines in the series the videos will get lengthy. A separate video dedicated to that might be something I make happen! Thanks for watching
@@running2redlineyes the sound is heaven if i were puting this ez s tier
@@running2redlinepls do a race car tier list
Remember that spania gta used turbo and supercharged viper v10s in their multiple generations of gta spanos
Love my s85 it can be pricey but from experience the people who got these cars didn’t under stand them and definitely mistreated them.
Great video but I was let down by the lack of sound from each engine introduction.
Understandable, I wanted to do that but would have a copyright issue taking others audio. I’m looking into a workaround for the upcoming videos, thanks for watching!
one of the audi engines thats timing chain is a nightmare because they mounted it in the engine bay backwards, and it make it to A tier? wth?
To be fair if we’re talking purely about the engine itself, that’s independent to mounting orientation. Very well could’ve gotten that one wrong though, hope you enjoyed the video!