Lawyer Reacts: Kevin Franke Files for Divorce From 8 Passengers Mom + Should Law Block Life Coaches?
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The fact that he was willing to put his daughter in jail is a major red flag for me.
What?
They have reconciled, I thought. The went to a court hearing together.
@@pattyolson3842that's true but just the fact that he wanted her arrested and said he'd have to "research further" why she wasn't being charged speaks volumes
I agree with you a 100 percent
A red flag is just an excuse to have prejudice when you don't know the facts.
The police cam footage/audio of him trying to press charges against his oldest daughter for “burglarizing” his home was very damning and telling.
Even if he didnt have to do anything with the abuse, he still abandoned his kids
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Because Jodi made them. It wouldn’t have been easy for him to just take the kids if Jodi was calling the shots. Would have been a mess and legally wrong if he just took the kids without an agreement with the mom.
Proof?
@@gagecarlsen3872did you happen to read this out loud to yourself? It’s logical if the Mom took the kids…… but the converse would be incorrect?
Please explain to me how I interpreted your comment incorrectly. I’m truly confused
@@Why0825- We know the Family Court system favors mothers over fathers so yes what was posted is correct. You can bet your ass had he taken the kids or tried to take the kids 911 would have been called and he would have been arrested for kidnapping his own children.
I find it almost implausible that both parents either participated or at the very least looked the other way while the abuse was happening. Not being with your spouse or co-parent does NOT change your RESPONSIBILITY as a parent to protect, care, and advocate for your children!
This divorce shows me he is trying to distance himself from the abuse, but he is just as complicit in the abuse of his children way before Jodie was on the scene? That includes his child watching porn on his laptop etc! His reaction to his daughter taking stuff from the house for the siblings is just a tip of the iceberg of his true character
Seems unlikely his kids saw porn on his laptop. These people have insane ideas about what porn is.
One of Jodi Hildebrandt's examples of "porn" is children lining up their dolls in a straight row. @@PrometheanRising
He should have filed years ago. They should NOT give him custody of the minor children. He was right there beside her on all the videos humiliating and disparaging his children. He joined in on that abuse.
It looks like he is protecting his assets from her lawyers.
As a licensed mental health professional, yes “life coaches” are a huge problem. There is no set requirements, licensing, ethical rules, or investigation/complaint/enforcement oversight for the profession. Your hair stylist should not have higher requirements to be employed than your “life coach.” They don’t need to be eliminated, but there does need to be organization and basic training requirements so we know these people have some kind of basic knowledge of when a client’s issues is actually a mental health or psychiatric problem. Plus it does offer some basic safety net for the public. Right now you have no way to complain until/unless they obviously break the law… that leaves a lot of ethical issues they can do and get away with. That’s the dangerous part here.
Jodi was a certified mental clinic counselor, was Rubi the coach?
What do you do exactly?
@@LuckyStar-rc2dt I’m a Licensed Professional Counselor, which in my state requires bachelor and master level degree in psychology/counseling, passing a national counseling related exam (kind of like “passing the bar” in law), and then complete 3,000 hours of supervised clinical work within five years under someone licensed to be a LPC Supervisor (who must also spend an hour each week of that entire period mentoring and training you) before you can practice on your own and be considered fully licensed. To maintain your license you must complete 24 hours of continuing professional education every two years.
I have been fully licensed for over 15 years and have been in the mental health field for over 25 years if I count academically required internships, years worked under psychiatrists/physicians licenses (what’s called a QMHP here), and as a trained SA/DV crisis counselor for county level NGOs.
@@chiricanita6697 in the video, they mentioned that Jodi had lost her license a while ago. So then she became ‘a coach’. So, as of right now, we do not know why she lost her license but DOPL must have had a pretty good reason. So she found a way around it to continue doing what she was doing by being a ‘coach’.
Yes yes yes!! I’m an LMFT. Everything you said👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
He has some responsibility here. To let a "counselor" keep him from his kids for that long is nuts. I have little respect for him and he needs to be looked at for sure.
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no, he doesn't
All men are always responsible. That's western culture. If a woman does something, there's always a man to blame somehow.
@@ttrainor70you're insinuating hes just the sperm daddy
Do you say the same about Adam steed??
Because he didn’t see his kids for a very long time due to hildebrant
Kevin is trying to do public damage control for the custody case. Too little, too late, imo. He knew for years the emotional and physical punishments going on well before Jodi entered the picture.
He shouldn’t have tried to get his oldest Child in Prison. I don’t think that helps him in a custody Battle for the other children.
He also didn’t refute or disagree with Ruby when she said that children are evil and adults don’t understand it…….and she suggested he knew what she meant….but the call is being recorded
Kevin, was around the children at home for years. He went right along with Ruby. Obviously he never tried to stop her behavior and the punishments for the children.😢
I watched their channel several years ago and they were abusive before this Hildebrand came on seen. They took doors off their bedrooms, beds away and even when the little ones forgot their lunches she wouldn’t take them to them. That was their fault and they could just be hungry. All of the kids imo have been abused their whole lives. Neither one deserves custody.
👏 👏 hear hear. This 💯
I have nothing against taking doors off kids rooms. A funny incident, when my granddaughter was about 13 years old, She would get mad and slam her bedroom door. Her mother told her that if she it did it again, she would take the door off.
Kid said "You can't do that"
Mom said "Watch me".
Kid "No, You can't take the door off."
She didn't know a door could be removed, she got so interested in how you did that, she completely forgot why she was mad enough to slam the door.
Later her mom and I laughed and laughed.
@@marycarricaburu3683Im glad you are not my grandmom 😑😑
@@gacktist00 I am curious, how would you have handled a teenager repeatedly slamming their bedroom door?
Seems like, The Brady Bunch TV show, removed à bedroom door once. Lol
There were too many years that he was living at home while these punishments went on. I think it is a ploy to get the kids.
nah, ruby's going to jail. he'll get custody
100%
I think it’s a ploy to cover his butt!
Ploy to CYA and $$$ so him and assets are not paying for her legal team. Wanting her prosecuted - he is a p.o.s. - agreed he was worried what Was on electronics
I am still not convinced that the father doesn’t have some culpability in the criminal case. Thank you Peter for continuing to cover various aspects of these cases. 💗
As someone who is LICENSED in the state of Utah to do marriage and family therapy- I really hope they freaking pass something to limit people who are coaches and try to give advice like this!! Absolutely ridiculous it hasn’t been done sooner.
Totally agree. Establishing some kind of certification process doesn't ban life coaches or anything. It just brings some accountability into the business
Absolutely! They are an insult to real therapists. And many of them believe in conspiracies and give medical advice which they are not legally qualified for!
Yeah when he was like “holding people accountable to the government might infringe their rights!” I was like what bullshit.
You should have to take courses about ethics for example. They might seem obvious but there’s a lot of nuance and information you don’t necessarily know without a class.
These “life coaches” can fully take over and influence someone’s life. If you’re reaching out to a life coach you’re in a vulnerable position in your life imo. You’re able to be manipulated.
So agree.
I'm a nurse, and just as people don't want fake doctors or nurses... they don't want fake mental health providers.
Life coaches DO have a service people obviously desire, but it should be defined, or at the least... limits set.
And, there are MANY people who don't do their research. Some people trust every single thing their family doctor of 40 years tells them, and would never seek a second opinion. People get sucked in to health gimmicks because a doctor is promoting them. Not everyone is great at deciphering everything that is thrown at them.
Any "life coach" should at least have to openly disclose what they are NOT. They are not a mental health provider, they do not have training in family or marriage counseling etc. No one should be misled through omission. And, there will likely still be people who would prefer a life coach based on their specific approach to helping people. But, hopefully no one would be put in harms way because someone doesn't have the evidence based training to clinically help someone who legitimately needs that expertise.
Yes BUT Ruby AND her husband are on video LONG BEFORE they even met Jody torturing their own children. Then i think they met Jody who blew everything up. THIS HUSBAND AND WIFE ARE BOTH GUILTY OF CHILD ABUSE. WHY has the father not been charged. And wanting to have his oldest daughter arrested?? That shows his actual character. No, this guy is definitely up to some sort of trickery.
I think he’s doing this to get custody of the children and to protect himself from potential prosecution
I think there should be a restriction of use for terms like “certified” “licensed” and “registered” to describe unregulated professions. It gives the impression that they are following some sort of standardized program that they were taught and should be able to trust.
And if you are presenting yourself as a licences therapist AND life coach it confuses the two roles. And generally they tag the lifecoach on because they are doing things that therapists are not allowed to ethically.
If you want to totally forsake your degree and licensing then say you are a life coach….go for it. But if you use your degree and licence to bolster your “life coach” status then that should not be allowed.
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I agree. Life coach is such a broad term that some new age cults and people who are trying to build some sort of internet business/social media presence use. Anyone can say they are a life coach. I’d love to actually find a “life coach,” but I’m too skeptical to try to find one, as most are trying to sell something or make money as opposed to actually helping individuals. Those are my thoughts at least.
I remember when my neighbor sharon glass got 40 years for child abuse for being the girlfriend of the man who was abusing his son and this was in Florida and on the news. So saying that the mother might get leniency because the family counselor influenced her doesn't make sense to me.
I hope to God that doesn't happen because Ruby was an abuser before meeting Jodi
True, and Ruby was showing all the signs of bad choices with regards to parenting long before Jodi came along. People have been reporting on you tube about her for years.
He is covering his A
We need licensing for life coaches.
I think he’s tying to save his own butt!! There are multiple videos out there of him being fine with using the kids not getting food as punishment. He’s been right there for years of mistreatment of those kids. He walked away from them, didn’t see or talk to his kids for 13 month because someone told him to. You couldn’t keep me away from my kids!! He tried to have his oldest arrested. He’s not a good person and not a good father. He’s just trying to save his own skin at this point.
What I am still trying to get my head around is that Kevin wasn't in contact with the kids. He and Ruby weren't divorced. It seems he lived separately and let Ruby have the kids, sort of washed his hands of them. Ruby may be a villain; but, so is Kevin.
That was his only choice if he wanted to get his wife and kids back at the time.
@@gagecarlsen3872do you have some Morman or Connexion insight that the rest of us don’t?
Instead of random comments explain it to us like we are six
What was Ruby holding over Kevin’s head for a year so that if he didn’t comply… he doesn’t get his kids nor his wife???
This is a hot mess. But I seriously wanna know how this works out
Check out Adam Steed and his therapy with Hildebrandt. Her motto is that the marriage must be destroyed before it can be built back up. Because he was SA’d as a child, she convinced he and his wife that he was to be feared and was a sex addict. He was separated from his wife and children, kicked out of college, lost church privileges after she disclosed false accusations about him. Her license was suspended due to his case. Manipulating couples into long-term physical separation is her go-to therapy, and it appears to me she has a disdain for men in general.
@thelawyeryouknow Jessi Hildebrandt is Jodi’ s niece, who allegedly suffered the same abuses as the Franke kids bec she was gay and a troubled teen.
Jody has a pattern of forcing men out of their homes. First of all, adult entertainment and self pleasure are considered extremely bad sins in the Mormon church. So, Jody was using these things as an excuse to force men out of their homes for the safety of the kids and other reasons. And Jody kept “promising” Kevin (and other men) that Jody would decide when they were deemed fit return to their families.
I think he's doing it to save face. Probably to also save some of their assets. He's far from innocent, regardless of Jodi's involvement. These behaviors were going on before and the way he wanted his oldest arrested speaks volumes. What was he afraid would be seen on those devices?
Probably just some only fans accounts…. 😂😂
Definitely to save assets. Kevin is all about himself. Also, there's a reason why the two oldest kids are and have been estranged from both Kevin and Ruby.
I'm coming out of an incredibly dark time in my life. I've relied a lot on mental health professionals to be able to recover. I also consider myself incredible fortunate to have family to support and to have dealt with professionals who, to me, were good at what they do. What scares me about Life Coaches is how closely they are positioned to people in very vulnerable states. It would have taken someone next-to no effort to manipulate me into doing what or being who they wanted. Anyone can get or give advice, that's not the issue for me. For someone to be able to advertise themselves as a "Life Coach" and be in a position to take advantage of or manipulate the vulnerable with absolutely no oversight is a scary thing for me. Yes, if a Life Coach operates in a way that is provably illegal, then we have laws to punish that, but there's a lot of damage that can be done before getting to that point.
@nezumi16
Very well said!!!! I am a DV survivor and thankfully had wonderful therapists to help me put my life back together back then. This was 40 years ago and I was young and very vulnerable. Like you said, if I had had a therapist that wasn’t working for my best mental health, I could have gone a completely darker path. I am thankful you are out of your dark times also and I wish you continued happiness and peace!! ❤
I think he is looking to protect himself and keep kids from talking to others
At best, Kevin is guilty of neglect. He was in the house when Ruby was abusive on her UA-cam channel, so IMO he’s also guilty of abuse. It’s very difficult to believe that he was trying to save his family unit by having no contact in over a year. And, Ruby told him everything was better without him in the home. That’s just unrealistic.
The stuff on UA-cam was not legally abuse. CPS was called several times. If it was illegal they would have stepped in. So they can’t hold him accountable for something just cause some people think it was morally wrong. The UA-cam stuff was wrong and abuse but not in the eyes of the law. There’s no proof that he was apart of his kids legally being abused aka tying the kids up.
He's on the 8 Passengers' channel going along with the abuse!
Utah has Right to parent laws which set a high bar for establishing abuse. The things on the YT channel were definitely abuse when viewed cumulatively. CPS probably thought so as well, but making the case is another thing. It should also be noted that in the absence of obvious physical abuse that CPS was not allowed to interview the children. This basically means their interviews consisted of trying to get Ruby and Kevin to self-incriminate.
The reality is that their pre-Jodi methods are too culturally Mormon for the CPS to go after them for it.
@@gagecarlsen3872so he was ok with keeping his son for sleeping on a bean bag for 8 months?
@@PrometheanRisingis right to parent the same kind of horseshit euphemism right to work is to the union busters?
I believe that Jody is still manipulating their marriage and their family behind bars. Anyone that would go 14 months without seeing his children qould do whatever else she suggested doing.
I thought Jodi was referred by the Mormon Bishops quite frequently. This would probably give validation to her expertise. Heardvthis from her Neice and on Morman Stories.
Kevin is playing a game, he is trying to get the kids IMO. My problem with that is he stood by while living in the home & let those kids be neglected at the very least. I say that because there is video proof of it.
My first thought is the husband is heading the divorce route to protect his financial interests and to give him better standing on the child custody. However, he is thankfully being advised by a lawyer and hopefully his legal team is helping to get his priorities straight.
I think a lawyer is telling him how to proceed. My opinion is he is guilty, too. He is not “Father of the Year”.
@@lindajohnson.He was totally complicit.
Absolutely protecting his personal financial interest. Ruby's legal team is going to cost BANK.
“Life Coaches” and their ilk should be required to have disclaimers basically saying “use at your own risk”.
I don’t think there need to be regulations for „Life Coaches“ but certainly for „Mental Health Coaches“ or how they name it. People should still do their own research and use their common sense (or brain). If a Life Coach tells me I should abuse my children, I terminate the coaching immediately. And this wasn’t only Hildebrandt, Ruby Franke gave the same advice. I should always be able (and responsible) to questioning someone’s advice. Jodi WAS licensed and she was still able to give horrible advice. Because of LDS and the mormon community.
@ninastanek3,
@nezumi16 made a great point and I agree that while a lot of people could be like you are and make a common sense decision, some others may be very vulnerable mentally and not be capable of making good decisions if they are manipulated. I am a DV survivor and was very young and broken when I finally made it out. I was lucky enough to have had amazing therapists, but if one of them was a Jodi Hildebrant, I can’t say I wouldn’t have done some stupid things. It took years of therapy to get back my self worth and trust my judgement again.
I grew up with parents that used religion to justify controlling every inch of my life. They also had a horrible, horrible marriage and depending on who was venting "privately" to a friend, the story easily morphed from my mom trapped in a loveless, controlling marriage to an angry man she didn't have the resources to get away from (even though she controlled the finances without any oversight and easily squirrelled away funds for herself whenever she wanted to purchase something big) to my dad hanging in there for the kids, stuck with a cold, manipulative, angry woman. In reality, they were both abusive. Both concocting convoluted standards of "discipline" for us kids. And the goal posts moved depending on which kid it was and how stressed or needing to vent the parent involved was. We were their showpieces in public and their punching bags in private.
All of this to say, I do not trust Kevin Franke one bit. Not one bit. If they had a pet, I wouldn't give the pet back into his care. Maybe if he saw a licensed therapist and acknowledged that he participated in the culture of abuse and control in the house and he took strategic steps to address why he'd done that and how he'd make sure he wouldn't fall back into old patterns. I'm not saying that what happened to him with this church counselor was okay - he was a victim there. But the things happening in that house were not just the dream child of Ruby. He participated in it, he believe in it. He's still trying to patch as many holes in the ship as possible and he's retaliating against his oldest daughter who has dared to air the family dirty laundry. He's still a controlling monster. This divorce is just another pantomine meant to mimic what he thinks a "good father" would do, not realizing it's too little and too late. I hope to god the courts see through him and keep those poor children safe.
@somethingelse4204,
Well said!
‼️‼️”Life Coach” is one thing, “Certified” implies Licensure‼️‼️
Certified is not the same thing as licensure. But a lot of people get that mixed up thinking they are the same but they definitely are not. Certified usually means you took a class or a few classes. Licensing means you have a degree and had a background check and you passed a board exam and had supervision, and years of experience, etc.
@@BoyMama87 Yes, I know this.
We know that years ago when Ruby and Kevin sent their eldest son, Chad Franke, to a wilderness retreat, they used Jodi Hildebrandt as a therapist for him for ongoing counseling which was done remotely. We don’t know if Jodi was treating Ruby and Kevin at that point, or any of the other kids. We also know that Jodi used to be Ruby’s brother’s counsellor. That was spoken about in a video one of Ruby’s sisters put out about all of what’s going on. I just wanted to point that out since it was discussed around the 35:00 mark.
I feel like they’re trying to refocus on blaming Hildebrand for everything as a way of getting out from any responsibility. They were mistreating those kids long before she entered the scene and knowing who she was, he left those kids for over a year with their mother and clearly under her influence. He was the first person the mother called when the shit hit the fan. I do not trust him AT ALL
Hi!
I watch you quite frequently on UA-cam.
Very informative, I learn from you. Thank you!
About this Franke thing.
I live in Utah, I'm not LDS.
Our history, heritage, and law are very heavily influenced by our LDS history.
We often reach out to our lawmakers here for all kinds of reasons.
Our lawmakers respond to us.
It's not at all unusual for a constituant - Mr Franke - to have a chinwag with his elected representative - the state Senator.
Keep doing the good work you do, and thank you for being willing to gain an understanding of how Utah may approach things a bit differently than other places.
FYI - I had the privilege of being a jury foreman in January- 5 felonies.
I'd be glad to have a one on one chat with you about my experience if you may find that useful.
Merry Christmas 🎄
He’s not some innocent party, he’s just trying to save face as much as he can.
Yes, all the women in the comments agree that the man is responsible. Listen to Adam Steed's interview. Jodi used emotional manipulation and counseling to convince fathers that they were potential predators. He's a victim of his wife and her coach's manipulation and he was separated from his own kids for a year but you're going to sit here and say he's the one responsible because you have a V and that's enough to make you an expert.
@@gorkyd7912 Your loud misogyny says everything we need to know about your opinion.
@@jencendiary I’m a woman and I agree with him.
We can’t all say Adam steed is a victim but then not hold the same standard for other husbands…
I find it laughable to watch the hoops people jump to try and justify their hypocrisy of why they deem one husband a victim but not the next - completely failing to have any consistency
Stop. You're wrong. Those vile women manipulated him. Stop defending them. You blaming him is defending them.
@@jencendiary having a different opinion isn't misogyny. You're sexist for saying that.
Kevin was in many,
many videos where yhe abuse was taking place front & center.
I don't trust Kevin after he tried to have his daughter arrested.
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He hasn't changed at all IMO
What abuse took place in his presence? Honestly curious because I don't follow this youtube drama and don't know this case.
@@gorkyd7912I've only followed legal reporting on this, not the family's UA-cam, so I may be wrong or missing things. My understanding is:
1 that both parents engaged in withholding food, which is probably the easiest abuse accusation, legally.
2 Removal of rooms, beds, clothes, etc which some lawyers have chimed in to say does legally count as abuse.
3 public shaming on their UA-cam channel, which to me is colloquially abusive, but I'll be surprised if that counts as abuse legally.
That's at least what I'm aware of where both parents are present. I'm not sure if the father was there for the restraints, or isolation, or withholding from school and so on.
@@gorkyd7912 Kids not being allowed to eat if they disobeyed. Their oldest getting sent to wilderness camp and then coming home and getting his bedroom taken away for playing a prank on his younger brother for 8 months I believe. He had to sleep on a couch or bean bag. Their oldest daughter getting her money taken away when she moved out for college are just a few "punishments" I can think of off the top of my head
CPS deemed all that stuff not abuse. So no, legally he wouldn’t be accused of abuse in the eyes of the actual law. No law says you have to feed your children breakfast, lunch and dinner. It may morally be wrong in a lot of people’s eyes but he wasn’t there when they kids were being tied up. If he was then yes, he’d be apart of the abuse.
We have had a few young men "elders" come to our house. These men are detached from society. Its sad. One of the men was so fascinated with my grandsons remote control car. It was so sad.
Let's all take a little personal responsibility to choose who we perceive as experts. I'm always of the mindset that just because someone calls themselves a title like "life coach", doesn't make it so.
I’ve always thought the title “life coach” was B.S. Just sayin’!
Life coach is just someone you pay to be your friend. Same as most counselors. Professional friend. The assumptions are usually correct that they will have more than average experience being friendly with more types of people but otherwise that results will vary from individual to individual. Making a law about this is just ridiculous; lawmakers trying to seize on the attention of the case.
My husbands favorite words, 😊 “Personal Responsibility “ 😊
AMEN! Well said!
I heard they have been separated for a year. It wouldn’t affect my decision about her but apparently he wasn’t a good father either and neglected his children.
In the end, parents have to be held responsible for the parental decisions that injure or neglect children.
As a person who has taken counseling and has a degree in Psych and Ed, I agree with the news guy that the whole thing should be helping people to sort out their individual thoughts and needs not decide who is right or wrong in the relationship.
Wow a screen of 3 smart, good looking men! Not a bad lunch break!
IMO this is CYA mode for Kevin. We’ve heard he was doing everything Jodi & Ruby wanted him to do because he wanted to save his marriage. Now… he can say, “see… I divorced her… I didn’t know this stuff was going on… I am fit to have custody of my kid….” He was going right along with all the crazy child rearing until Ruby kicked him out.
He was going along with it for over a year after he was told to leave. Supported both of them up to right now. He is culpable and has demonstrated negligence regarding his kids at the very least.
@@wesbeuning1733maybe he didn’t know what was going on cause he wasn’t there. Now that he knows what was going on he could be done with his wife and trying to save the family. If I found out my wife was keeping me away from my children so they could be abused I’d give up the marriage as well!
@@gagecarlsen3872I can't for the life of me understand why you're defending Kevin's abdication of his parental responsibilities.
Life coaches should be certified and have educational requirements like therapists. The reason the profession has blown up with every social media proclaimed guru offering life coaching is because there are no regulations.
You wouldn't use a surgeon who didn't have the education, training, and licensing to perform surgery.
So he thinks that divorce is going to exonerate him from being neglectful to his children while they were being abused? I think not!
If the roles were reversed and he was a woman he would be exonerated already. The reality is that men are always held responsible and they just don't know it. If you're a husband, don't let your wife make ANY decision because it's ultimately your decision and you will be held responsible for it.
@@gorkyd7912 Found the incel.
@@jencendiary Happily married, thanks for revealing your prejudice and bigotry.
@@gorkyd7912 I don't take personal criticism from misogynists.
Peter!…What is UP? I live in a northern state, have 14” of snow on the ground right now, and even WE don’t wear fleece like that indoors! Must be COLD in FL! Stay warm! ❄️❄️❄️ I really appreciate your videos and livestreams!
I have no idea why life coaches are so unregulated in the states. In Canada there seems to be stricter/tighter enforcement for people who are openly providing these services/if they are even allowed to at all. I 100% think 'life coaches' should be disallowed from practicing and have current individuals obtain proper certification if they choose to follow higher education in a regulated area or field.
I'm Canadian and know a girl that got a life coach certificate online in 12 weeks and went on to advertise herself as such, so I don't think it's THAT regulated.
Good coverage and perspective. As an "unregulated" professional, it's important to represent yourself, your training and experience honestly and transparent. I love what I do to support others, but those with graduate degrees who are part of à regulatory body have other ideas. It's about liability too.
There should be some rules to be a "life Coach" .
There should be some rules to be an adult. If you need a law to tell you who is a state-approved "life coach" then you probably need to just stay in your parents custody and not make any adult decisions in life.
@@gorkyd7912 there are rules to being an adult. They are called laws…
I don’t consider calling her an abuser as disparaging, IF it’s true!
I dont think he can be trusted w the kids.
Kevin was ok for not seeing his children for 13 months? That on its own is terrible!
When i think of life coach i think of soc services teaching skills like cleaning or parenting etc
I do think life experience does count for something. Plus like Peter says.... the people that want to still help "coach" people will just call themselves a different name if Life Coaches need to be licensed. Kinda like when you get a "handyman" to do plumming or contracting. He's not a licensed plummer or contractor, but he might still have the experience to do a great job. On the other hand.... if you're going to hire someone unlicensed, you better do your homework
Yes! So many people are calling themselves a”life coach “ with zero qualifications
JH is absolutely guilty on the damage she caused to her clients. RF is guilty of abuse, neglect and abandonment of her children. If parents choose medical quavers to treat physical ailments in their children and the children are harmed the parents are liable. Same for behavioural or psychological ailments. Although I highly doubt there was anything wrong with the children. And any life-time therapy the children will require is from the life long abuse that RF inflicted on them. 😡
Peter, it is my understanding that there is a court order preventing a victim of Jodi Hildebrant, Adam Stead from discussing his abuse. Why is this allowed?
I saw Adams interviews on HiddenTrue Crime way back. I'm curious too why he can't speak now
This: “Filing for divorce when there is a criminal charge on the horizon also serves as financial protection in several ways: All marital assets are divided before a criminal conviction. The innocent spouse gets his or her share of the marital estate before legal fees begin to drain the assets.”
My BIL became a 'life coach' online while being housebound with depression for 10 years. I love him dearly, but it's just ridiculous that he could help anyone.
Thanx Peter for all your time & law answers & education!
I hope you are well & taking time for yourself.❤
I appreciate the points you make. They help me think more abstractly about what the broader picture of how laws work/would work.
I think he knows more and was more involved than he let's on. So, I think this is clearly to help himself. He also should have tried to get the kids out of there while they were separated.
Utah lawyer here. 👋 The domestic relations injunction that you covered was not stipulated to by the parties. It is auto-generated and entered by the court any time a divorce initiated.
In Utah Jodie had the only qualifications she needed - recommendations from the LDS church.
Life coaches are to the mental health profession what Uber is to transportation. It might be mostly okay, but when it's bad it's horrid.
True of all professions.
But with lawyers and therapists they have boards you can reach out if there is an ethics violation.
Exactly! They are held to a higher standard, and can face consequences. Coaches do not face consequences because they are not governed.
He just wants to distance himself to minimize his guilt. In my opinion this doesn't make him less culpable
I think anyone who claims to be a "professional" therapist, life coach, etc., needs to be regulated somehow. When a person is giving advice that affects the physical, mental, and emotional welfare of a child, they need to held to a higher standard than just a friend offering advice. For example, telling a husband to excommunicate from their children and wife when there's no grounds for such an extreme decision can harm the children. If a professional has made strange/extreme demands, they're probably telling other clients to drink the same Kool-aid.
I don't think that therapists who lost their license to practice should be allowed to become a "life coach." They lost their license for a reason.
There’s no licensure for life coach. Anyone can call themselves a life coach without any formal training.
ah.... yes .. not involved separated & now divorcing.. let's put as much distance as possible
one little problem HE'S ALL OVER THE INTERNET . . INVOLVED 😬
Didnt Ruby say her son watched porn and abused other kids at like the age of 3? Kevin was there then. The emotional abuse was happening way before he left. The physical abuse may not have been something he did but he definitely is very emotionally abusive. Many women in DV say the emotional abuse is worse than the physical abuse. They say they would rather get hit than suffer the emotional abuse. I don’t think social workers consider that in their decisions to remove children.
So doctors, lawyers, and psychologists all having licensing boards that help regulate someone’s behavior. You can face board sanctions even if you don’t do anything criminal. I think something similar for life coaches would not be a bad thing.
Greatly appreciate your perspective re education!
Glad it was helpful!
In my opinion Jodie has a part in what happened HOWEVER Ruby had the kids in her custody. You couldn’t convince me to do what allegedly happened to those kids to my kids. As the mother, who had the kids in her custody, what happened makes me sick.
Appreciate your channel and views.
Mr. Grande don’t want no smoke from anywhere. They had already been split, but his treatment towards his adult daughter says all I need to know about him. But whatever, drama drama drama
Yeah right!
He is seemingly distancing.His lawyer is very manipulative.
He reacted when Shari took Rubys and his devices from the house?
I believe he is still committed to Ruby.They will do anything to get their kids back?
Including a faux divorce .
Hello everyone 👋👋👋👋. I’m on the rewatch crew due to just getting home from work!!!!
Problem was they were charging people for services that were recommended by their church.
A lot of MLMs are based in Utah that consider their consultants coaches of some kind. It will be heavily lobbied against, so I can't see the legislation getting very far there.
Would anyone or anything keep you away from your children for a day, never mind a year. Terrible.
Thanks!
I am a certified coach in South Africa. I have a degree in Industrial Psychology and was in the corporate executive world for 20 years+ I coached many people over the years informally but since getting the qualification it provides you with the ethical and structural base to operate - way improving my ability to positively impact lives.
My issue is he just now files for divorce?
Aside from him separating himself from her and all capability, I think it's because Kevin will get a better deal out of the divorce since Ruby is being put on trial for the felony child abuse. Doing it now guarantees that he gets primary or full custody of the children. If he divorced her earlier, she might have gotten primary custody and he would have problem gotten a crappy deal.
This is just my opinion on it, I could be wrong, but that is what makes sense to me.
I use to be one of the top advocates for single moms in Utah. The verbage in this petition , especially the disparaging of the other parent, is standard language in Utah for divorce petitions.
Peter I want to thank you for what you said about people without college degrees - it actually made me tear up a bit. I struggled with severe social anxiety and didn’t get to college until I was 22. I had a 4.0 GPA for the almost two years I was there…and then I got pregnant lol so completing college did not happen for me. I’m 40 now and feel embarrassed at times to not have some official document that declares, “she knows things! She’s pretty smart!” It can be a significant road block in the world. It helps to hear someone say, “people can be smart without a college degree. Education is important (I absolutely agree) but it’s not the only thing.” Thank you for that. ❤
“Life Coach” may as well be synonymous with today’s “Influencer”. Its an self-declared and arbitrary title used to establish or bolster an appearance of “credibility” in order to sell and promote their brand and services. This is why diligence in conducting consumer research is critically important.
I started the live from beginning since I was late but I love your snuggly zip up!!!
I'm less concerned about Kevin Franke's views on regulation of the life coach industrial complex than his using this petition as a cynical ploy to regain custody of the children he constructively abandoned to their fates. He was perfectly happy to pile on these kids with his wife when it was making them millions. I see no sign that he is at all contrite about it or would do it differently if these kids came back to live with him.
Licensing provides guidelines. It's necessary
You are amazing!
Maybe the church shouldn’t be recommending therapists
You are so funny! Visiting Iowa until after the first of the year. Gives new meaning to cold 😂
Thank you for covering this. These poor kids omg
Ruby should get just as much punishment if not more
I don’t understand why the father hasn’t been more vocal or involved with regard to this case and his children.
He’s probably been advised by his lawyer to be quiet, which 99 percent of lawyers would tell you to do.
When Jodi Hildebrant lost her therapist license years ago, she simply changed her business card to life coach and continued right on. Jodi actually trained other life coaches. And was very involved in helping the Mormon church establish their own 12 step program for alcoholism.
Not true. Her license was suspended for six month. She did not loose it finally. Ruby was the life coach on the homepage. But was is a life coach anyway if anybody can be one. Ridiculous.
Those poor kids. 😢