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Meet The Best Power Conditioner I Have EVER Owned!
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Today, I share with you guys the best power conditioner that has been through my lab. If you would like to buy one of these units, please reach out to me directly at jayaudiolab@gmail.com
To me, this is as good as it gets with regards to power conditioners. I have tried many different units and the level of performance that this unit brings to the table is simply unrivaled.
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Jay - as good as the Stromtank sounds (and Stereophile's JSV did a great review of it) your presentation bettered it. You gave us a clear outline of what one can expect to "hear" with it; you explained how it functions in a system. And your experience and reputation stand behind it. Congrats! (I'll take two...)
Thank you Peter! I appreciate you!
Jay always gives you a loot of “meat on the 🦴 🍖 bones” when it comes to this. That’s why he’s videos are interesting regardless if you are interested in buying the product or not. A lot of the so called reviews have so vague references so you don’t really now (or do they ) what they are talking about. Keep it up 👍 Jay.
Added the S 1000 yesterday. The improvement in sound quality is just shockingly good, just as you described.
Axpona, a few shows ago, I got to experience Stromtank supporting the front end of a monstrous rig being demo'ed;
Wilson Alexx, Wilson's big subs, D'Agostino Relentless amps and Momentum pres, Clearaudio vinyl playback, dCS digital... all in a big first floor room by dealer Paragon, if I'm not mistaken.
My 18yr old non-audiophile son in the money seat... after a mere couple minutes, he had unexpected tears of joy from the powerful experience.
Hell yeah, I'll never forget it.
That said, his best of show experience was upstairs in the Scaena line arrays, ... sublime result achieved in that space.
He'd never paid attention to Brubeck's Time Out... til experiencing the piece through the wonderful Scaena lines in that room (a single front center listening position).
I recall absolute first rate three dimensionality in that modest Scaena room.
Sutherland used to make a battery powered phono stage years ago, PH3D…taking that concept to the next level here…brilliant!
That’s pretty cool ,I’m off grid living and to see that you have the S1000 in your system is so sweet ,I love your explanation and yes battery power is so good , your room / system rocks n is so up-to date with technology,
Thanks u rock
Thanks Jason
Jay. Awesome product. Your incredible. Thank you for your had work and and dedication. I am learning so much from you. Can’t wait until you bring out your most expensive product ever. Wow. Godspeed Jay
Thank you David !
Would be nice to know some of the specs of the battery unit. How many kilowatts of storage, and what's the continuous wattage output. Also what kind of battery is being used? lithium ion or lithium phosphate?
Lithium phosphate
@@jaysaudiolab
Good to know, this means longer battery life, along with being safer and more stable.
i told you before a few months about stromtank how good is it , the manufacture is one from three engineers who found MBL (the M is the first letter of Meletzky the owner and engineer stromtank)
Jay though I couldn’t afford this conditioner I wish you much success .
Thank you Mark
The striomtank makes so much sense. Do the batteries inside ever have to be replaced over time?
Would like to see this compared with the PS Audio Power Plant 15 and 20, these regenerate the power so basically the same as the Stromtank without the battery. Battery degradation is also a concern, what's the expected life span for them?
Good observation KL. I would like to see the Stromtank agains the PS Audio components you mentioned and also the Audioquest Niagara 7000. That last one I hear is also awesome like the PS Audio 20.
Battery is said to last 20 years
Check out Amir's audio science channel he Annalise is a P12 p.s. audio so-called regenerator and essentially they actually drop voltage to the components and make no DC difference whatsoever. So in my opinion these regenerators are pure snake oil, I've had a P20 in my system it lasted a week and then I sold it again it made no audible difference in my system at all. Luckily I bought it cheap and didn't lose any money.
@@beyondonethousand Niagara 5000 is excellent too.
PS Audio powerplants are trash. You still get 50% wall AC out the sockets. It isn't rebuilding the entire ac signal and Amir proves it and PS Audio acted like children in defense of their product it made it obvious that they outsourced the engineering of the product when they themselves didn't know how it worked
Very interesting this piece...
you have a very high resolution system where any n every change can be heard, my system is very modest by comparison. would i easily hear a difference?
Jay's Put on Calling Elvis dire straits I love that song.. I just upgraded to tidal Master what a difference,, I want to hear it through your system T kubik atl
I think is very good , it's a pure power regenerator . I use from a wile Eaton 9SX 5000i RT3U in separated power circuit for Audio only , have fans , make noise , but is in another room . After this power regenerator ( with power correction ) , i use Audioquest Niagara 5000 . I use and power Amp in ! Difference is incredible , i make a lot of tests in time and with power Amp in Niagara sound better than wall , of course now all is in Eaton , i have 2 hours thru battery only with Gryphon Antileon in . Eaton have 4500W power . This is another way to seald power circuit .
And Yes , Sromtank make all money Jay ! I hope another guys buy and use for Audio Systems , because make the difference !
BR
Incredible! The question I must ask is why would your rig have any noise without a conditioner? My rig is a mere fraction of yours and it’s dead ass silent. Btw- cool new intro 👍
It has noise...your rig does...trust me...once you try the Stromtank, you will easily realize what your system is missing
This is the type of noise that is only conspicuous by its absence.
Rf noise....
The thing about noise , I’ve experienced it , you have no idea the amount of noise there is until it’s gone .
I am going to buy a tesla model X use it as a PSU when I driver it home.
This, one, only this, this one, the only one…. Gotta love the emphasis.
I got to the part where he said the price and then I busted up laughing and couldn't watch anymore! LOL!
How is it better than the PS Audio P20, which is a regenerator, not a conditioner? The P20 takes in AC, converts to DC and then generates a perfect AC sine wave.
@@unicornslayer6963 sure 😃
This is a Tesla battery...you don't see the outlet...nothing suppresses noise better
@@jaysaudiolab some measurements to back these statements up would be appreciated. I'm sure the AC must be regenerated for the components to work plugging into it. And I doubt battery can supply high enough current to handle large dynamic swings so there must be some sort of capacitor to act as reservoir. All of which the PS Audio unit have sans battery but with a bank of capacitor acting as reservoir the battery functions in the equation is questionable.
@@tkl0111 sometimes measurements mean nothing...believe me when i say this
@@jaysaudiolab I believe you. No doubt this helps compared to filtering, that's why I mentioned specifically the PS Audio unit where the power is regenerated and not simply filtered, similar to the Stromtank. The question is, is it better than the much cheaper PS Audio models. Note also that PS Audio unit are also for power amps and not just source components. So it has more utility there.
Who designed their front panel first, Stromtank or D'Agostino? 😁
Looks awesome.
Stromtank
Just been out in my Tesla for a long journey and had range anxiety the whole time. I’m home now and can relax and listen to some music. Hey what do those green lights mean? ARRRGH now I’ve got listening time anxiety. 😅😅😅
How Long does the battery last? or when would you have to replace the battery?
Strange that there is no performance data on the out put side. On how clean the power is not on s1000 home page of the manufacturer, nothing in the data pdf or the manual. No graph or measurements.
Only efficiency and how much delivery it can deliver.
No parameter in the data sheet, that it cleans X % om the output compared to what comes in on the input.
It is like selling a power amplifier with just saying power consumption and output power but no word on if the power number is at 0.1% or 10% distortion, that is a huge difference.
The product data sheet has some room for improvement.
The performance is there though...or else i wouldn't stand behind it
I like your entry/ begining ..audio sounds .. You can only appreciated good sound that 's created form some Utube channels if you have a superb audio system on your computer.. Which I do.. I just start you viedo form the beginning a few times just to enjoy the audio...:>}
Gee Jay that Box was so (BIG) I thought it was a Champion Electric Generator DC Source. But I surely like the Speakers you've settled on, there magnifico.
Awesome video Jay! I learned a lot. Thanx.
Greetings form sunny ☀️ Croatia 😊😊
Thank you man
Once u see dials on Hifi, run 😂
I thought I was a veteran as to all things which can improve sound in a Stereo system but what in heaven does a power conditioner do in a system? Is it just a consideration for audiophiles with deep pockets...?
The Boulder could be plugged on it...?
Not the amp. That is a 900 watt amp lol. Could you power your car using triple A batteries?
Where is the science supporting these claims ? As we know PS Audio P12 was proved to be a $6000 brick .
Surely any grid noise will still be induced into the system because of the direct A/C draw from the mains socket.
Whats inside this monolith ? Open it up lets see.
I would think you could power your system with this not plugged into the wall.
Great discussion and recommendation - thank you. Do you think they will deal in the UK with UK plugs in the future? Cheers
It sure LOOKS beautiful.
Agreed
i have a mid level system (probably on the low end here hahaha) its a bryston b100 and some b w speakers. i am concerned about dirty power we have in australia but i was wondering at what level of system would you see a substantial boost to the system by conditioning the power. i have a great power board and it has the protection circuitry. very interested in the idea of cleaning up my power though particularly if its an investment in the protection of transistors in my ladder dac for example
Jay have you tried the AVAA C20 .
Bravo, Jay!
Thanks 🙏
Does the sound system on a Tesla car sound better over a petrol powered car?
If proven better, perhaps every audiophile should consider installing a Tesla Powerwall for the home?
Jay is a smart guy! 😉
Jay, are you still using the Taiko extreme? Did you compare the Taiko plugged directly vs using the Stromtank to power it? Thanks
In all honesty there were days on which I could not listen to the system before 1am! It would simply sound edgy and bright!
I’m wondering what the Ecoflow Delta pro and Bluetti EP500Pro would sound like in you system. Good info on new products.👍🏽
Thank you !
Those units would add noise to your system because the inverter doesn't produce an ultra pure sine wave.
Jeremy , I’m going to check one of the Bluetti models out for myself , the comment from Mystic below suggested the Ecoflow and Bluetti models would add noise because they do not produce an ultra pure sine wave , yes they have a model that does produce a pure sine wave ,..I’m sure the StromTank is everything Jay says it will do however I think it would be interesting to check these other battery brands out for the unwashed peasants.
@@marks.2909 I looked around and The bluetti EP500 Pro is the only one I’ve seen so far that says it has a pure sine wave. Gonna check out the other Bluetti. I tried talking with customer service for Ecoflow and got nowhere.
Jeremy not to take away anything from Jays presentation of the Stromtank for us that simply could not afford this device I have come across a manufacturer that mentioned their pure sine wave inverters are used to power audio and video components however he hasn’t replied however the manufacturers could mean for campers and RVers entertainment while traveling.
Bluetti make a pure sine wave inverter with built in Lithium battery including ac recharge ability in two models the EB 150 and 250 models with 4 three prong receptacles .
I’m sure you are aware over the decades there have been a number of high end manufacturers introduced battery powered phono stages , preamplifiers including some amplifiers ultimately getting reviews and complaints of little to no dynamics .
I think all I can do is try the Bluettii model or similar and see . My dac and server both have power consumption of about 30 watts each so it would be great to have 5-6 continuous hours of playback between charging .,..***Jay I apologize once again for using your platform for this discussion.
I'm ready for it! Uh, to see it. Thks!
Coming soon
Batteries get weaker over time. I wonder how long they will last before they can only run for a short time. It will depend on the model but for so much money I would be worried if it will last me for many many years.
Any suggestions what kind of power conditioner I should use for my jl fathom F212 v2 and my mc901 mono blocks? I used niagara 7000 and synergistic powercell sx but didn't like none. Thank you
Nothing for those amps
Hi Anurag singh, i tried so many kinds of power conditioners, but after talking to so many manufacturers and doing a lot of research. I realized, for big amps and subs, conditioners limits the power instead of helping, and to tell you the truth, One of the engineers at shunyata told me it works but better not to use any. I respect his honesty for not talking like a sales person. I sold my niagara 7000 because of buzzing and making my subs to hum. They all blamed ground loop, but my brother is an electrical engineer he helped me to find it and it was the niagara. Now all my small components and processor connected to small power conditioner and the rest, to four dedicated 20amp outlets. I put a massive surge protector on my main panel for the whole house for protection. But I'm so curious about stromtank.
So if I get the big unit and only use it to power my turntable using all tube amps and only listen usually 2-3 hours at a time -does that mean I’ll never use the electrical grid in this setup?
Correct
im lucky im the only one on the transformer very clean power
Run Denali 6000s, Alpha xc, 20amp ded line
Very interesting, can you go back so much simpler cables if you use this one?
I could try
@@jaysaudiolab I remember you said your latest DAC did not rely need that expensive power cords or USB (if my memory serve me right).
I suggest trying the Audioquest 7000 It is imo far superior in aspect of its build and performance
The Stromtank is a completely different animal all together,.Pure sine wave inverter of sorts battery generated , completely off the grid .
Congratulations Jay for being a dealer now for Stromtank … I know this brand by name only even though it’s from my home country. I don’t dare to try it out cause as you said: >> once you’ve heard it you cannot „unhear“ it
Thanks man !
Hi Jay,
In regards to your volume statement. Could it be that the Stromtank lowers the floor noise so much you don't need riase the volume so much?
Great unit. It could be an option if you are going to save on very expensive cables.
I believe that could be the case. Volume is so much usable now !
Never heard it but I think that might be the reason the BLOCK audio preamp uses batteries.
@@rcarloz It's why many phono stages do.
Puritan psm156 gets my vote.
In battery mode how does it deal with ground?
like the new shorter introduction
Thanks Jeff
I don’t know how this is quieter converting DC to AC will create noise, I looked into this approach and the equipment physics generates noise.
Stromtank only work best in tandem
I knew it ! Stromtank!
Thanks jay,just tell it like it is
My pleasure John
I start listening with my system around 8:30pm, around this time my system typically starts to become alive ... before that electric power is shitty :-)
This is a bit weird it’s just a deep cycle battery and a digital switching inverter with an output distortion of 2% where is the improvement you can buy each of these items with smart phone apps for 1/3 the price and better storage though not the “ bling “ I don’t know why you would want to put a switch mode amplifier before a pre/amplifier such as boulder it makes no sense qualitatively
Aerosmith needs to get a couple of these QUICK! :)
Does this unit negate the need for high end power cords? It would seem so.
Yes it does
It is not a good idea for a Stromtank dealer to call it persistently a "Power Conditioner" because it isn´t. Stromtank is a Power Regenerator! That is technically a complete other world.
There are not so many Power Regenerators out there on the market, the best known are propably the PS Audio Power Plants. But there are also devices from Accuphase or IsoTek.
You are right that the Stromtank is unique in using batteries, so it takes the game quite a step forward, but basicly it is still a Power Regenerator.
While a Power Conditioner is using filters to eliminate noise from the electricity, a Regenerator is only using the energy from the wall socket and builds up the sine wave of the power from scratch so that - if done correctly - there is no noise in the first place that you have to get rid off.
You really should learn those differences as Stromtank dealer, otherwise your explanations will sound somewhat ridiculous to your potential customers.
LOL an explanation on how something performs by someone that hasn’t actually experienced said component is hilarious however to go on to compare it to a PS Audio regenerator without actually using them both for comparisons is really out there .lol
@@marks.2909 What are you trying to say? I can tell you the technical difference between a baloon and an aeroplane without using either of them. I have never said anything about one component being better or even sounding different than the other - I just explained why the Stromtank is not a Power Conditioner.
@@591desperado You watched a video and somehow you compared junk like PS Audios ac regenerator’s , I’ve owned them , to a pure sine wave inverter using batteries a power distributor that is completely different animal.
@@marks.2909 You still don´t get the point: Jay calles the Stromtank a Power Conditioner, which it isn´t. The Stromtank is - as for example the PS Audio Power Plant - a Power Regenerator (plus a battery in this case). Wether one product is better than the other is not up to me.
@@591desperado LOL
Are you connecting your amplifiers to this Stromtank?
Please watch the full video. I spoke about this on there
Hmmmm...mitigate the negative harmful effects of my AC system? Do modern amplifiers not come fully equipped with transformers & power supplies that regulate DC voltage output? And if I experience a long AC power outage due to a severe winter storm, will I be able to use my car to jump start the buffer battery? And instead, why not invest in an audio component designed to mitigate the negative & harmful effects of poorly recorded music? Congrats to the manufacturer for designing this unit to look like an autoclave used in medical labs.
To help you with that he'll show you the way with vinyl
Agree S5000 is good, S1000 is only quiet but loss dynamic and life in music , it's just not up to standard.
Best power conditioner you can buy.
It’s battery operated so no one else does it better, period!
Thank you Manuel
$15,900 for a big battery.
"If I were a rich man
Ya ba dibba dibba dibba dibba dibba dibba dum!"
That's what a Tesla battery costs.
9:53 Floor noise?! Or you meant noise floor?
This is basically an Inverter/Charger (Inverter: converts DC from batteries to AC output; Charger: takes AC from the Wall to charge the batteries), so I wonder how the Inverter section of the StroMtank would compare to something like a Victron (pure sinewave) Inverter... This video explains how the Victron Inverter works: ua-cam.com/video/UPfUn5ki7OM/v-deo.html
@@unicornslayer6963 Good point about the Specs, but unfortunately that's a systemic problem in the audio(phile) industry... Not sure if Victron is their source, but Victron knows how to build a World-class Inverter... I've got one in my motorhome.
@@unicornslayer6963 It would be interesting to know more about the output of the StroMtank, and how it compares to an Inverter like a Victron... As for the StroMtank housing, agreed, it's very impressive!... But one could argue: (a) The power plant does not need to be visible (eg., it could be stashed away in a closet), and (b) having the Charger in the same box it's not optimal, as it's a source for the noise you're trying to clean-up in the first place!... For example, the start of this video shows the batteries, Charger, and Inverter all housed separately:
ua-cam.com/video/kaWpP95MwKw/v-deo.html
@@unicornslayer6963 Well, they do publish "Full Specs" and "Manual" at the bottom of the web page (e.g., AC Output: Harmonic Distortion < 2%)... So I suppose that getting more information would require a hands-on reviewer (to open the box, etc)... Perhaps the folks at Audio Science Review would take a look at it, but given the price tag, I have my doubts... Unless Jay (here) sends them an S 2500 for testing!
So its just a big ass power bank? 😝
I guess 😂
even Batteries make noise , its chemical noise created by the chemical reaction between the acid and the metal plates.
Snake oil for sale!
the question is, why doesn't it output DC?
So you could charge your phone?
@@unicornslayer6963 you seem to be on a rampage here doubting things but i will not argue your opinion.
Not sure how clean, perfect wave AC is snake oil but ok.
How many Amps of Current can you draw through this Battery Powered Isolation System! Must be at least 40amps with a System of your Level!
And it sustains my entire system without a problem
Jay, with these big tanks your room is becoming a bit full...
Agreed. But i also haven't bought shelves yet
sounds too good to be true......
It's outstanding
GO PS AUDIO or FURMAN. Much cheaper and as good as this one.
You've compared them extensively I suppose.
DIABLOOOOOOOOO! Man . Lol well a system like that needs a kick ass conditioner.
Agreed 👍
Try getting your hands on a pair of Klipsch Palladium P39F loudspeakers. You will be so happy you will have tears running down your face.
Already had them before i started my channel. Good speaker
@@jaysaudiolabThis means somerhing coming from you. They used rare zebra skin looking wood as real wood laminate I believe. Not anymore as they have a policy of protecting endangered tropical forests.
It is not a power conditioner, it is a Kraftwerk (private power station). Congrats that you are a dealer.
Thank you for the support
He’s jumped the shark
Does he own this stuff or on loan I don’t think he owns this stuff all the prices of this stuff is for fools with money dedicated circuitry and good grounding is all you need
You've done a comparison to state such a fact? Or are you just someone that's poor and wants to hate on what you can't afford?
Rsrsrs....tha batteries...
Heard Stromtank are one of those overrated and overpriced brands. Jus sayin
I liked your channel much better when you just reviewed gear that I could never afford..this whole peddling high-end stuff makes the videos less attractive..biased commentary is everywhere and I see this as just another one of those..
Thanks for the comment
here did you get your degree in BS, ha,ha,ha,
Hi Jay. Can stromgtank s5000 be use with mono blocks?