Part 1: Magico Loudspeakers Factory Tour - Speaker Museum
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An in-depth tour of the Magico Loudspeakers' 30,000 sq ft facility. This video primarily focuses on the history of company and the different speaker models that have been released since the beginning of time.
CHAPTERS:
0:00 Intro
4:26 Magico Titan 15 subwoofer
8:38 Magico A5 loudspeaker
12:58 Magico M6 loudspeaker
24:33 Magico loudspeakers from the past
30:52 Magico Q5 loudspeaker
32:32 Magico S7 loudspeaker enclosure
34:22 Magico S series loudspeakers
35:16 Magico Mpro loudspeaker
36:14 Magico loudspeakers awards
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@cheapaudioman An in-depth tour of the Magico Loudspeakers' 30,000 sq ft facility. This video primarily focuses on the history of company and the different speaker models that have been released since the beginning of time.
Business inquiries contact me:
jayaudiolab@gmail.com
if you are interested in a consultation with me to take your system to the next level, email me for further details:
jayaudiolab@gmail.com
#magico
#stromtank
#boulder
#thebest
#transparent
#tidalmusic
#boulder
#jaysaudiolab
#highendaudio
#hifi
#audiophile
#gryphon
#miami
#homeaudio
#focal
#magico
#krell
#nordost
#simaudio
#wilsonaudio
#sonusfaber
#kronos
#boulder
#rotel
#aurender
#krell
#taiko
#magico
#audioquest
#sonymusic
#hifiaudio
#homeaudio
#best
#analog
#turntable
#onemillion
#best
#mostexpensive
#thebest
#uglytruth
#stromtank
#magnepan
@Jay's iyagi
@Steve Guttenberg Audiophiliac
@cheapaudioman - Авто та транспорт
I hope you enjoy this part 1. PLEASE SUBSCRIBE and like this video. It's important that you support this type of effort so i know you want to see more of this !
Very good job my friend, thanks for your effort...
I attended the high-end section CES at the Alexia Park in 2004 -- when Alon introduced his mini-monitor speaker. I must have visited his room five or six times over the three days I was there. For me, it was both a revelation and a show-stopper, and I have never forgotten that wonderful experience. Some day, if the stars align, I would like to own the M2s.
Was happy to see a pair of V2. I own serial number 1 and 2!
Nice
That point about "AIR" you should make a clip just of that. It totally makes sense.
I was not expecting how they use copper.
Anyways great video.
Extremely fascinating and enjoyable. I'm very much looking forward to the next segment Jay.
Thanks Tony
Nice to know the beginning of Magico...
Nice to know about the Magico internal structure.
Yup 👍
Been subbed to you back when you had less than 5k subs - By far the most interesting video you have put out.
It is things like this and your shootout videos is why I subscribe and everyone else should as well. Thank You Jay.
Thanks for being part of my journey. I appreciate it
As good as they look on the outside there is so much more going on inside. I can understand why they cost so much. I love hearing stories about how people start from their garage with essentially a hobby and they’re able to turn it into a successful enterprise. 💪👊👍Thanks for giving us an inside look
My pleasure
It took four years to develop the tweeter, craftsmanship second to none…what a great insight into Magico Speakers. Would be interested to learn what Alan recommends in terms of source and amplification synergy since so much work goes into the design development. Lovely video Jay!
Thanks 👍
thank you jay for the tour we realy enjoyed it ,looking forward for the next .....
Thank you
That 15 inch sub is the most intimidating thing I’ve seen since Mike Tyson. The point about “air” is spot on!!! I always thought so…but great to hear from an expert in the field
I'm surprised neither Jay or Alon mentioned the A5's new Mundorf M-Resist Ultra foil resistors. That is the first applicaton of the new resistors in any loudspeaker in the world
Interesting tour. Between the time I had the analytical tools as a freshman in engineering school and the time I used them to understand how woofer/enclosure systems works mechanically was 25 years. The model explains all of them regardless of type. The two tools that are useful is what is called Newton's second law of motion applied to forced oscillation (physics) and the ideal gas laws (chemistry.) The reason it interested me was because I wanted to understand how Edgar Villchur's acoustic suspension principle worked and why it was so successful producing deep bass without distortion from a small enclosure. Villchur himself was not an engineer and never fully understood it. It could have been called a pneumatic suspension.
Newton's second law used this way is useful for many applications such as explaining how the suspension of a car works. The three factors that matter are the moving mass, the spring constant, and the damping factor. Most speakers today use light moving mass woofers, rely on the speaker's inner suspension the spider and outer suspension for both the spring constant and damping and also for the same function a port of some kind. This results in bass that is highly variable, usually has a significant peak at its port tuning frequency and falls off rapidly at 24 db per octave below that frequency which is effectively its lower usable limit. At some frequencies the air moves through the port easily creating no back air pressure on the cone. At other frequencies it is very difficult to push air through it creating a lot of back pressure. Turbulent air flow at the inlet and outlet of the port creates the chuffing sound typical of ported designs. To mitigate that the port is often flared to smooth the transition from high pressure inside the port to low pressure outside.
The acoustic suspension principle relies on a heavy higher mass cone, the difference in air pressure between the inside and outside of the enclosure provides most of the spring constant (the restoring force to the cone) which is independent of frequency. The secret I came to understand was the damping factor. I guessed it and the first time I removed the woofer of an AR2a I knew I was right. It was filled with fiberglass or mineral wool or some similar fibrous material. It's not for absorbing cabinet vibrations, it's there to create an aerodynamic drag by making the woofer work to push and pull air between the fibers. The aggregate surface area of the fibers is enormous. The friction is lost as heat for the same reason the space shuttle heats up reentering the earth's atmosphere. The damping force is directly proportional to the velocity of air independent of frequency. So mass, damping factor, and spring force are independent of frequency. That means the resonant frequency F3 and resonant magnification Q can be adjusted to whatever you want it to be. Unlike other designs they are independent of frequency and amplitude within their range of operation. The price for low F3 and low Q is low efficiency. When the damping factor is adjusted to 0.707 you reach critical damping, the lowest F3 without a resonance peak. Above 0.707 you get a peak in the frequency response. Below 0.707 you get a faster rolloff below F3. This design was so successful it became the reference standard for bass reproduction in the 1960s. Medical schools used it to teach students heartbeat sounds. At critical damping FR falls off at an equalizable rate of 12 db per octave so within its power handling capacity so the FR can be extended downward.. My guess is that this is the secret sauce that makes the Magico speaker able to produce such deep bass.
I agree
Magico speakers are not deep bass producers because they are sealed and while you have a very strong back ground from the science side the practical side is very lacking. Sealed enclosures give up sensitivity vs vented and has more distortion in the bass vs their vented counterparts , the trap air adds ( spring ) mass , this kills transient speed which is also obvious when listening, when port tuning by design you can easily have your port cut off tuned to the lowest frequency extreme for maximum bandwidth especially with multiple bass drivers. Magico is using 3 woofers typically to produce the same dynamic output of A single bass reflex driver . Doubling of driver surface area increases sensitivity and lowers thd , if you were to compare a properly designed vented multi driver enclosure it gives up nothing To a sealed enclosure ..!
As to Jays setup he sits against the rear wall were the bass is loaded up in chairs that cup his ears , he is having a positive situation due to his combination and improved setup knowledge , his set up will not necessarily produce this same result in another room setup situation or a chair with distance from the rear wall etc ..
Regards
One of your better videos,congrats....how about a Wilson tour?
@@audiohertz2341 I try to never argue with audiophiles. They know much more than I do including those who become manufacturers and the arguments often wind up in flame wars. I attribute this to their passion for their equipment where to me these are just machines.
I save my real arguments for people who deal with something that matters to me, physicists. They are finally coming to the same conclusion I came to nearly 50 years ago, they don't know anything. Small wonder every one I ever knew of or met including my college roommate for 2 years is crazy. All those equations tell you what will happen but not how. Less than 10 years out of school when I realized ultimately I didn't understand how anything works at the quantum level. It was no comfort to realize neither did anyone else.
@@ddzarafonetis1831 Did you notice how the owner took a swipe at Wilson when he talked about all the diffraction with all those boxes that move around?
Nice series you’ve got here my man! I really enjoyed. Very informative.
Awesome! Very informative. Best video yet…
Thanks Joe
Good job Jay - much appreciated. Something we rarely get to see.
Thank you
Awesome interview Jay, was worth waiting for this video.
Thank you and part 2 will be better !
Great video Jay. Really enjoyed hearing about the brand. I've heard a number of Magico speakers, but only at shows and they were never good but I chalk this up to improper setup. Someday I hope to hear them with Boulder like you are doing now. I really appreciate all your efforts. You rock.
Thanks Warren !
As always Jay thanks for sharing. Great video. We have to give your wife a big shoutout for her support on this video.
Thanks. I'll let her know
Amazing Built Quality
Wow very interesting interview, well done and enjoyed it a lot.
Much appreciated 👍
Learned and reconfirmed my understanding of speaker design. Very good video J
Thank you
Very interesting, I'm waiting for part 2
Congratulations ...
Very important video, waiting for part 2 ...
Coming soon
Awesome stuff Jay, thanks .
Thank you
Good video Jay! it was worth the trip there!
Thanks
Great content and keep up the good work.
Thank you
Added air to recordings to recreate a sense of space ( microphone phenom ) is an artifact of recordings very necessary to recreate the illusion of being there, if it is in the recording you should be able to hear it from your speakers.
Regards
Alon is talking about hearing artifacts that are not part of the recording/mixing. Ambient noise (space) is typically in the mid-hundreds frqs. Not the highs (tweeters).
Thanks for the video.
Thank you Jose
Awesome, Jay.
Thank you
I met Alon when he was a young boy in Weston, Fla. I actually knew his father Zev (RIP) To see where he's come is astounding. He's related to my closest friend. Small world!
Interesting!
Liked and subscribed. Thank you for this.
Thanks
Interesting to listen the founder about the airy mechanical sound of the LP....
Yep 👍
Good video!
Thanks 👍
Count me as a Magico fan. Have the Mini II. It’s spectacular
Too bad magnepan is a better speaker
well done
Thank you Carlos
Those copper gaskets remind me of crush washers on an oil filter.
Don't forget to pay a visit to Paul Klipsch sacred factory amd museum at Hope Arkansas, birthplace of the definitive speaker systems in the world eg Klipschorn, La Scala, Belle, Heresy, Cornwall, Forte, Jubilee and Palladiums.
Pt 2 please it’s the weekend. Lol
So, the way I see it the web is filled with nasty politics, or Jay's Audio Lab...I'll take Jay's Audio Lab and these great videos anyday!!!
@Not My Fault, You Asked For It thanks
Thanks
That guy is cool looking!!
😀
Auditioned M2's, ordered 20.7s 👌
Not sure what your point is but congrats
@@jaysaudiolab played monica: "so gone" crackle w/ bass, M2's awful. 20.7s flawless
I would love to have 3 M9's in a Left, Center and Right "LCR" with a 240" Retracting Acoustic transparent screen.
Good work, thanks a lot Jay.
Thank you
So the 700 pound sub goes to 18Hz. Yeah, so as Devialet little boombox which weighs some 10 kilo ;)
you need to upgrade the video camera, 1080p looks like 720p/480, maybe increasing the bit rate will help....
You are giving us extreme high end... But your camera work is extreme low end...!
Very interesting part when he mentioned that sense of air is noise. That also made me doubt if the B&W 801 d4 speaker is really a close alternative to the lower end models of Magico, because of the motor basically is being put in a aluminum tube which most likely dramatized the noise a lot more,; creating more air.
Only a poorly designed vented enclosure suffers from port chuffing , this is due to commercial compromises in the design with the cabinet to port size ratios ..!
Regards
@@audiohertz2341All ports will eventfully chuff, no matter how "good" the design is. The best port design is a sealed design 😉
Great video ! Beside of "air" .. If is recorded ( you can try with a very good headphones ), and not heard thru system - it's a problem . If is not recorded and you heard - it's another problem .. Is not all link to noise of tweeters ," air" can be recorded . Of course he have right to tell us how ( what ) discover , it's a great speakers manufacturer ! BR
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He is talking about hearing artifacts that are not in the recording. Ambient noise (space) is typically in the mid-hundreds frqs. Not the highs (tweeters).
@@Luke-vu1wm of course. But he mention like air is a noise from tweeter, anyway not matter. BR
Good interview with the designer. Thanks. Btw, you owned the M6 before, why bother with the Q7 now?
To try everything
Next please.
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Whats up with bad image quality from 12:57??? Thanks anyway for interesting content. :)
Camera issues but part 2 will come out swinging
Jay I love you and your videos. But please buy better fitting jeans 😅. Seriously though, you give us a very cool behind the scene view and great information 🙏
I added air to my tires, once...it recreated a sense of space.
That 1/2 inch aluminum!!!
I know !
Titanium or cast iron are stiffer. See Youngs Modulus
21:30 "There is no "air" to hear", very interesting.
Shows that technology is so killa ,n that my square speakers of every model are so out of date , bye bye wooden boxes
U are half correct the box is gone and all u need is American made magnepan speakers the only speakers u need and u don’t have to sit in the middle to get the best sitting position
Part two soon?
Tomorrow
When is episode 2?
In a few days
If I was a rich man....la la la la la la!
Why don't recording studios use MAGICO loudspeakers? Also I find ,they never seem to shine at hifi shows ?Odd really, they should sound amazing. Sealed box, maybe? Need a lot of power?
Not sure why
Obviously Body Builder 🙂
Jay, you need to step up your visual but otherwise, good stuff.
There you have it. There will be no S7Mk2.
I know 😭
@@jaysaudiolab For S7 owners I see that as a positive, for 2 reasons. There is nothing Magico can do to make S7 significantly better, and if a Mk2 came out the resale value of Mk1 would be diminished. It's a win-win for S7 owners.
this is an office tour or store tour ,not a factory tour ,show us their production line ,like the Focal factory...
I heard the A3 and A5 - the A5 was awful. Maybe the electronics was not a good match but I felt like it was very fatiguing.
System matching
//long but please read// I call for 1on1 battle with a polish brand ZetaZero orbital Ref. which can play down to 12Hz (due to woofer xmax of 100mm! yes, not ten, one hundred mm) and can take 2,500W per channel and has omni ribbon build with insane materials (not your typical RAAL). Beat that, Magicians ;) Jay, do a "discussion" panel with both designers for 1 hour - and we will see who put more technical work into each design. Let them fight with audio engineering arguments. This will be the battle of the titans!
Jay can you please upgrade your camera and audio setup? These videos are just terrible in terms of quality. I appreciate you giving us a look into magico... but please give us better quality so we aren't cringing at artifacts.
nice but not a factory tour... a showroom tour
Aluminum is for manufacturing aircraft & tin foil. Regardless of price, speakers are only as good as they sound, so let's hear them...less talk & more rock. Diffraction theory needs proof.
Mask, poor 🐏
I like Jay, but this camera man isn't good.
I'll let her know 😂
Thanks! maybe you can give me some tips for next time 👍
@@gigi4747 First my apology, I mean no disrespect. It's coming from a place of passion. I love my audio, and Jays UA-cam channel. He's very articulate and funny...Especially when he wanted to lift that Gryphon amplifier 😯. I'm a former DJ and record producer and one of the pioneers of Hip Hop. But we all know a DJ system is much different than a home audio system. Sorry I'm telling my age now. But anyway, when I'm watching these videos when components are part of. I want to see the product. It just seemed like in the beginning you were very apprehensive to pan down on the sub-woofer. I kept saying go down go down further. We can always hear the conversation even if you pan down to the product. Personally, I wanted to see the size of that beast next to the human body. Like when Jay was showing us that huge Gryphon amp. But anyway, it's just my opinion. One ❤
@@darendee5682 apology accepted, 😂 Oh! you will see plenty of panning on all components on the next part! I shot a lot of content so it's hard to get it all in one video - The best is yet to come 😉 stay tuned!
Undoubtedly the worst intro music I have ever heard nearly turned it off except muted the volume till I saw people speaking
It was ME who made the decision to choose that song. YES - I AM YOUNG and love upbeat music. I don't spend my night listening to audiophile music. Audiophile music does NOTHING for my heart. It's simply a tool i use to evaluate components. I think of it as a test tone to see if a driver is working.