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- Опубліковано 25 гру 2021
- here is the best power amplifier I've ever owned.
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Congrats Jay on reaching your amplifier audio Nirvana...How does the Mephisto Solo Monos compare to the boulder 2050 or 3050Monos? Do they run cool? or how is the power consumption /room heating (for lack of a better word).. for the class A design...
It seems it will take away my dividends 😂😫
Not surprised at the choice. Jay has been hinting at moving up the gryphon line for a couple of years. It always felt like about everything coming into his room was compared to a gryphon baseline. I have to admit I’ve always been impressed with their products and value yes value co,pared to other brands.
The truth speaks again! Happy Holiday's J.
You are lucky to own such a beast. I love Gryphon.
I am not a wilson guy, but it must sound great.
Jay, Can you tell me how much difference do you hear between the mono vs the stereo Mephisto?
same question here, im sure its not just 25w difference on paper, but more, But, what are the differences despite that 25w per channel.
Many people are not ready by because lack of money is their issue. This is good advice for the rich audiophile.
Merry Christmas Jay and to the rest of your subscribers.
Thank you ! Likewise
jay when are we going to get a video comparing the block audio monos?
Congrats on finding your dream amplifier! One point of clarification though, it does not operate in pure 'Class A' at its rated power into impedances below 8 ohms. Nowhere in the technical details or specs does it claim to, only denoting Class A operation at its 8 ohm rating. With its rating of 1600 watts into 1 ohm for example, each amp would have to be able to dissipate that full amount of power in the heatsinks when idling which would put out heat like a blast furnace. Since Class A operation is typically about 25% efficient each amp would have to consume ~4 times 1,600 watts (~6,400 watts!) when that much power is demanded by the speaker load. Even if you provide 30 amp service to each amp that only comes to 3,600 watts which would be insufficient for pure Class A operation at 1,600 watts of output into one ohm. There are ways to avoid such extreme power consumption while maintaining Class A operation like having a sliding bias system which dynamically adjusts the bias to maintain the class of operation as power demand varies. I don't see any indication that Gryphon uses such a design and takes a more purist approach of pure Class A operation but only at the rated output into 8 ohms.
Coda 16.0 amplifier
i am owning Colosseum and its heats up severly … way to hot to touch. but misicality is supper. liquidier than Mephisto. i simply L O V E Gryphon line. musicality is we r after, we should.
@@saadatshahidullah2958 My previous post was only making a technical distinction regarding the claim that it operated in pure Class A into lower impedances, not questioning the exceptional sonic performance of the Gryphon electronics which Jay has similarly experienced.
Don't spoil the party , its full classA until Jay say it isn't
:)
Instantaneous peak…not continuous. Maybe that is the distinction?
Hi Jay, nice review here. Owner of the Solo model myself, and I would tend to agree. But there's a synergy matter in just about everything which isn't addressed here and which would make other great amps better than the Mephisto without sacrificing any of the aspects which you described. I'm a Tannoy lover here and own several models which includes the excellent GRF90, and it's pairing with my Solo is just excellent, but when I tried them with a friend's Pass XA160.8, which is slower than the Mephisto, the pairing was mind blowing, even more so at bass level. I explain this to myself through the fact that some amps are just too fast for some speakers which are also fast, and I'm talking only about direct dynamic speakers here. The Tannoy seem to benefit from lower slew rate, lower df and the degree of harmonic distortion built into the Pass.
Another thing I'd like to mention here since I've got extensive experience with the Gryphon since about 8yrs now, is that the amp which is imho the best straight line from the signal to the speakers are the Benchmark AHB2. Maybe you'd like to try for yourself if not already done. They won't have the bass, the soundstage and overall power of the Mephisto, but god these are fast, neutral, dynamic, with amazing attack (superior to the Mephisto) and incredibly capable of reproducing the separation and layering of instruments. And despite being much cheaper than the Gryphon, they won't shine their full potential until you put great gear before and after them. Probably the best value amp on the planet, by far, since they also have other qualities which I didn't mention here.
Hi Jay!
I follow your reviews. I like your independence and your frank manner.
You are in the Super-High-End segment, as you describe it. I agree.
I guess you want to know what your system can deliver at the very best?
I also love Gryphon since many years. Owned Gryphon and listened to many different models in many great systems. Always great. I'm not surprised that you came to this conclusion with Mephisto Solo. You said that they are as god as it gets. That's not completely true. Still your system can do better. I'm quite sure. How?
If you want to go to the next level, you must try Bi-Amping for a while. Listen and learn and get used to it. Then try Tri-Amping. For me it is a new level of music reproduction, control and air and what ever you could imagine. 6 Mephisto Solo is going to amaze you. Big speakers with a lot of drivers tend to react very positive to Bi- and Tri-Amping. I'v been exploring this for some years now and think that this is the way to go. I'v got Tri-Amping and around 1500W in 8Ohm per channel (3000W total) . Around 4000W in 2 Ohm per channel . I never use all that power but headroom is good. The music reproduction is not all about the power, but it helps.
You don't know what your system can deliver unless you tried this with the best amp, Mephisto Solo.
I hope you try this and share it with us some day.
I wish you a happy new year,
That’s awesome Jay, I had actually suggested the mono’s awhile back. Now you are playing with POWER!
I am happy for you Jay that you have found your power amp may it bring long hours of joy. Merry Christmas & Happy New Year...!
Likewise!
Awesome video Jay, Happy holidays to you and your family
jay. Great to hear what you have to say about this equipment. I can't compare my equipment to yours. I can tell you that I can hear on my system if the recordings have been recorded well or if they have been badly recorded. I myself have also had a lot of High-end and what I have now I am certainly satisfied with. Thanks again. What a beast of a blocks. I am happy for you. And now enjoy the good music and sounds. Greetings from the Netherlands Limburg Maastricht and above all continue with High-end...
👌🏽👍🏽😉✌🏾😘
Of course everything has to do with listening room placement, distance, match of equipment and cabling and so on... And of course, how do I listen to music and what is my taste or what do I like to hear... Perfection in sound is not Perfection, but more that you hear what the recording is... What is definitely a fact is that what you have standing, that it definitely belongs to the top. I know that for sure. OOHHYEAHBABY 😉☕👌🏽
Its a sweet n crazy hobby. i belive its like fasting, if you ceat while fasting only god and we r matters. same way our rig is what we love. we reject what we dont love even we like. all of our rig is diffrent and absulutely nothing here can beat anything its all about synergy. i just closed my rig and it 2:30 am n thinking if AQ Aes/ebu or Valhalla2 Spdif from network bridge to Lampizator GG ….which one is good. :)) its a carzy game we r playing.
This is the song that never ends...lol...give it a little time you will find a better amp I'm sure.
I stopped listening to amps or equipment and just listen to music, otherwise you will be on a rabbit trail that will never end.
Hey Jay. I have a fully restored Monoblock amplifier I believe can compete with the Mephisto Solos especially when it comes to tight solid bass. Let me know if you want to check out the Legendary Fixed (not bias) Pure Class A amplifier that doubles down on its power all the way to a 1/2 ohms. 3200 watts of Fixed Pure Class A. 200 watts in 8 ohms. About 270lbs each. I will send you photos on your email. Check it out. These amplifiers were built in 1988, very rare.
I would love to hear the Gryphon gear but unfortunately they're not available for a demo where I live.
Can you comment on the differences between the monos and the stereo version of the amp?
Best Amplifiers I ever heard were the Mark Levinson 33 monoblocks. But they got really hot. I also liked the Halco DM 68 monoblocks, Lamm 2.2 monoblocks hybrids that were 200 watts
I auditioned the ML33 different times. They are far inferior to many Gryphon amps which I auditioned. The DNA of all ML amps is not good enough. In stage depth, width, and height they are inferior. I also never auditioned an ML amp to be able to create diversity in height of voices and instruments. They all played voices and instruments on the height of the tweeter. This is a 100% Hi-Fi parameter.
@@bobbykingma4109 Wow Bobby Kingma is back. I remember you from the Audio forum sites on Facebook. I remember you had the top of the line Monitor Audio speakers, Monitor Audio subwoofers, Onkyo preamp processor that you modified, that you said sounds as good as any preamp processor out there
Mark Levinson great amplifiers.
But Gryphon is in another league🔥
@@henriksrensen3220, as long humans have no idea about sound and music, they have no idea how to judge any audio product. They have no idea how good each individual product is. People have no idea that over 99,99% of all produced audio products are not even able to reveal all aspects of sound. They are all 100% Hi-Fi products.
@@danlivni2097 When audio is your living, things change all the time. Audio is very complex. Due to the help of different specialists, we can adapt a lot more aspects than all other people in audio. Jay is a very honest person, and he says what he experiences and likes and loves. He owns some great products, but he also implied incomplete audio products. A friend of mine told me about this UA-cam channel. People who see audio as a hobby still do it by trial&error. Because the audio industry said that audio is all about personal taste. But I can prove by sound and stage that this is just one big lie. Based on the 100% fact that when you make a recording, voices and instruments have their own sound, as they have their own size (very small and direct) as they own a delimitation in space. You need a system that can reproduce this. Then you need to understand sound and music first. People have often no idea that sound is built on different properties. And you need all these different aspects to reach the highest level of realism in sound and stage. This is why an audio system that can give you access to all those different aspects will always create a much higher level of emotion. Each individual aspect of sound can influence your emotions when you are listening to music. Sound is not subjective but it is objective. I had to learn this as well. Because I was also fooled by the audio industry that it is just a matter of personal taste. But I learned what sound and music are. Then you become aware that they all lied. Audio is all about facts and the truth.
Great video Jay 😊😊❤️
Gryphon all the way 🔝🔝🔝
If a manufacturer gets it right the actual „age“ of the component ..or amp for that matter doesn’t matter.
Agreed
I can't wait to hear what these two beasts can do! Also. I've read somewhere that Supra are supposedly making the best USB cables on the market so check it out.
Hi Jay,
You mentioned how class D tends to sound somewhat congested during complex music passages. I’ve found the Purifi 1ET400 shares this trait. It’s a glorious amp for neutrality, but doesn’t seem to maintain layering like high-biased Class A or A/B amps. Thanks for pointing that out!
you are welcome
I love this channel, it is the victoria secret show channel for hifi fans 😀
Thank you
Amplifiers? No! They are welding machines! Wow!! Your adjectives are well chosen! Thanks, Jay!
Incredible stuff Jay. This was a huge surprise for me. Wow, what a system you are building!
Thank you
Gryphon of course 👍👏👏🔥🔥
343, holy moly. That’s dedication or obsession. Either way, love it.
I hope Santa dropped down the chimney all the way from the Reference Line of the Land of Giants/Krell! Just guessing/wishful thinking! Have a Merry Christmas!
Thanks Jay for taking the time to educate us on high end audio equipment! Do you have any existing videos (or are there any videos in the pipeline) where you provide guidance to budget-constrained amateurs on how to incrementally build/transform their systems to get the biggest bang for the buck along the way? Thanks!!
That might happen in 2022
I believe you, after hearing the price 😊
Good Video with clear argumentation...."Are you ready for it?"..Misses Swift is....lol....thanks Jay.
Interesting, my first Amp was that Rotel 1095 too, but lol after ~15years it still is my Amp in my homecinema
With my stereo/hifi room I will have to do a lot of research before i invest that much money
You said Density is important i think describing it as image density would be clearer 👍
gryphon are hard to beat i have the little attila intergrated and most of my friends have diablo intergrateds and they sound veery good
An obvious Fantastic choice Jay on the Solos. Can't wait to here your comments. I wonder how they would go up against some of the other uber amps such as D'Agostino Relentless, Analog Domain Apollo, Aries Cerat Achillies, Goldmund Telos 5500 Nextgen. I'm sure these will hold their own.
Wow Jay ! I'm not expect as you test ( buy ) another Gryphon ! I'm glad to make that . This make me happy for my choice ! Thank you Jay , i not buy Gryphon if not see it in your channel . This is the truth . BR
@Jay's Audio Lab Please is it possible to have this kind of expertise for each kind of budget ? 5k to infinite for example.....
If this was my job and got paid...i probably would do it
Ok guys.
I’m ready, have my 1979 Radio Shack speakers and zip cord all prepped, lol. glad to see you haven’t abandoned the Gryphons.
Lol not yet man !
Try Audionet Heisenberg's and the new DartZeal Monoblocks...Audionet has like no color or so little.
Have you tried or strongly concidered any of the Gryphon speakers to go with it? What did you think when you heard them?
My question is (after wading through much hype) what is the best sounding, resonably priced of the new wave of Class-D amplifiers???????.....
Dynamics is more important than resolution, full range dynamics is important. Resolution when it’s good is revealing tonality echo decay rise and fall, room reverb, these are the benefits of good quality resolution. Describing actual music cues must include these aspects. I’d love to see research on the attributes that are associated with quality reproduction by listeners. Duh volume is obviously a confounding factor that must be held constant.
They are a bargain compared to "The Absolute Sound" Overall Product Of The Yeat, the CH Precision M10 monoblocs which were only $198K.
Happy holidays Jay! I always enjoy your videos and look forward to the next. I agree with your assessment of what amps should do. All they should do is amplify what’s in front of them. I do have a request for you,please go down that rabbit hole of analogue! You have the funds and would be awesome to have your input! PLEASE!! Much blessings to you and yours. Jim
Maybe in the future
OK. Finally, Solo's are here. So I'd assume the Pandora will be back around? Maybe the Solos will have better synergy with the Gryphon preamp? Who knows? I know it is the day after, but in the spirit of the season, Merry Christmas!
No Pandora for me. I will use my Soulution 725
You should try some good silver cables. Nordost isn't pure silver cable's. But silver plated copper.
I was a Nordost dealer of over 12 years of time. It is not only about the material. It is also about the DNA they use and own. A cable needs to be linear to be able to let you hear all aspects of sound. But far most cables are emphasis cables, which means the manufacturer put the focus on a certain frequency range. All these emphasis cables will never let you hear all aspects of sound.
When you have a True High-End audio system without incomplete audio products, the best silver interconnects will help you reveal more details. But also a more layered mid-frequency range and even a better low end. But there is a big but. When you have different incomplete audio products within your audio system, silver will often not work the best way. And copper will be a better choice. But this is not based on what most people think. They will often blame the cables, but this is all based on their ignorance. As I mentioned before, silver regarding power cabels has different rules. I would never use silver for any power amp, preamp, conditioner, and source. Based on the fact that full copper will work better when you judge on all aspects of sound.
GRYPHON MEPHISTO SOLO😎
Jay, any temptation to get another Gryphon Pandora preamp? Earlier this year, you convinced me to get a Pandora pre for my Gryphon Antileon EVO amp and you were 100% correct, the synergy is amazing.
I have moved on from the Pandora I am now using a soulution 725.
343 amps over 6 years is 1 amp per week. Where did he find the time to audition them all?
I believe it. This guy is probably loaded
Hi Jay,
Are you planning on getting your hands on the new Gryphon Apex amps? What about their new preamp? It would me amazing to get your input on these new lines by Gryphon!!!
What about Mark Levinson Threshold Jeff Roland Audire speakers Bag End Sub Pro MBL Power Amp Bryson Chiro $30000 Burester Audio Control MC lntosh 601 Mono 1201 Denon Mono 6600 ClassA Optical Klipsch Proline
Have you ever heard e.a.r. ss class a. Momoblocks
Curious about the limited edition Mark Levinson ML-50 monos?
Class A 400kHz, that the fastest for a class A I ever seem. Not single ended input impedance mean they are crafted to use balanced cable.
What happened to vac amps? This channel is on warp10
Coming this year
Im curious Jay- did you build the listening space or is it just a room in the house? Reason is, if I was going to spend 300k? on gear then I would start with a 200k? listening space- just a builders thoughts.
My room is a dedicated space.
Who does the Mephisto solo compare to the stereo version?
good afternoon jay just a sugestion you should try the Moon 888 or the darTZeel NHB-468 i think that will give gryphon a run for its money
Coda 16.0 amplifier
Boulder overcame him...
Crappy music? That’s got me written all over it!🙄😱🤣😉.
Lol
Great review - now let's hear about your top 10 amp list!
Maybe I will
What about the Denon POA 6600 Mono Blocks POA 3000 Counterpoint Spectral Krell Acoustic Research Bryston 3B 7B EV Speaker cables MIT Kimber Audire Power Amps because you spend more does not mean Audiophile Give credit where it due Crown Amplifiers Macro tech and Macro Reference it was in the Audio Books and Stereo phile Magazine's BGW l use Tributaries Cables Hi End besides Straight Wire
Now you must go to the new Apex / Commander top of the range line.
That was a bit of a surprise for me, not because I thought Gryphon is not that good, but because in your videos (for my ears) the best sound was clearly when you got on your setup the Boulders or the Constellation gear.
Surprise surprise 😉
Do you really think you can judge anything from a youtube video with lossy audio etc ? that part is purely for entertainment . Even with a super duper recording of a system you would still be listening to your own system so it´s not meaningful anyway.
@@dieselbrodeur Speak for yourself dude.
So, I was right when a few weeks ago I wrote that the Gryphon Mephisto Solo were your mysterious Class A amplifiers... BTW, Happy Holidays to you! :)
Yep. You were right
I'm thinking Benchmark fits all your needs. Have you heard 1?
No I haven't
@@jaysaudiolab I hope you can. Its probably one of thr most neutral measuring Amps made.
Really high end or ultra high end system. Cheers. Think a specific amp have synergies with the system and works magic. Likely a different amp for a different system though. Don't think this would sound well with Avantgarde or other ultra high end horns with dynamics cone based ultra high end systems still couldn't match even likely with this or even better amps
In your July 9th video you said that you were done with Gryphon, but that you loved Gryphon and it was time to move on. Since then you have tried other amps and have now come back to Gryphon. Will Gryphon remain your reference amp for a long time now?
Maybe 🤔
343 amps haha damn that is a lot my man. And will you ever settle down with for you the perfect system..?
I am confused, is it Gryphon Mephisto you have as your #1 and then the newest top model Boulder power amp as #2?
Yes
I would've said the Boulder 2150 beats out the Mephisto...
The best power amplifier is the next one...
Just ONE more tweak....🤣
......He gets to promote for Suncoast Audio
Jay, something bugged me enough to come back and comment - - not because I have any problem with your opinions, we've all got 'em, so I'm not looking for a debate - but I think in this case you've given your viewers the wrong impression - -specifically, you're wrong in saying the reference Nordost stuff sounds bright. And for anyone reading this, I'm talking ONLY about the 2nd generation, the II's - - actually Jay, I know you've had Nordost in your system and frankly I don't recall all of your past comments about them - I only remember you running or speaking about the original Odin power cord, which if memory serves, you seemed to like, but regardless, no argument from me, the 1st generation offerings could be "glary" - - but the 2nd gen stuff is ANYTHING but that - - Actually, I personally no longer consider the 1st generation to be reference, so on that we'd agree - and - while I'm thinking back a bit, I used to wonder why you were running what I consider to be a dated power cord, that is, if you could deal with the cost of an Odin, it didn't make sense to me that you weren't running the II.
You should try Pilium if you get the chance.
Bob doesn't have any. I asked him to send me one for evaluation
@@jaysaudiolab No one to spare for a loan you mean?
You love their amps, but have you listened to their loudspeakers?
Not yet
That means you get a new amp every week. I've owned a couple of hundred but it's been over a 45 year spread.
I had 6-7 amps at once in my early days...
Would like a Pass labs and Emotiva comparison.
Is Emotiva high end?
Hi Jay, are u going to provide "Product of the Year" award in the future?
Yes. Next week
I knew it. LOL Congrats Jay on the new toys! But, I'm willing to bet you better them with a pair of Boulder 3050's soon.
I don't think so
343 amps - bloody hell. You really have some experience
That's what I also think ! 😂
Cof cof... Goldmund Telos 5500... cof cof. ;)
So Jay would you say a power amplifier that makes a very bad recording sound better for is a bad thing
not necessarily
Was that price for each? Looks like you are mono blocking?
monoblocks (122k msrp)
Amplifiers should be completely quiet, and they certainly should not help the synergy of a system with cheap cables. The amplifier is best utilized as a metal detector for non audiophile copper. The louder the alarm the better the amplifier. Amplifiers that would tolerate or i dare say, improve the sonics from profane metals commit high order audiophile heresy, Klipsch agrees.
The hardest speakers I ever had to drive were Harbeth 30.2 those little bastards destroy amps. They are like 83 DB sensitive! I am not kidding! I had an easier time driving YG Acoustics and ATC!
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 I told you right from the beginning and you didn't like it, so you removed my comment. Of course I understand why you did, because it spoiled the surprise. But I just knew you wanted this adventure and I was absolutely right. 😎🙏😎
I guess that makes you very, very special...and a wonderful human being...and maybe the smartest person who ever lived...in your own mind.
Jay we love you man, appreciate all the videos. Hope to one day reach where youre at in the audio game. I am fairly new to audio, I just started last year during the pandemic. I am far from wealthy, and I have actually invested about 20,000 into audio which includes my 7 channel home theater, 3 mid tier headphones, all the equipment that goes with it and a strictly stereo setup. Now I am fairly invested in stereo and have virtually made headphones obsolete.
I know your channel isn't focused on us newer audio generation who are just getting our toes wet. But I would really appreciate it if you possibly could take the time to make a video on what put you and further pushed you into this higher realm. As in that wow moment where you realized this amp, this dac, this and that made you have a audio changing experience to give us newer people a fundamental to strive towards.
I have watched all your videos, and I do see you have your tier lists etc. Just doesn't really give me a foot hold on what to buy or do. I am currently very satisfied where I am at, but probably sometime in this coming year I will be purchasing a magico speaker; lower line 25,000 or under. As that to me has been profoundly amazing on my audio journey and think where I can settle for some time. The question is what do I accompany it with to bring it to life.
The time I listened to it, it had an aurender streamer, not sure if it was an internal dac on the streamer or if there was another separate dac, connected to the moon by sim audio integrated amp; which I know you have mentioned that amp in your mid tier list. Just trying to get some direction on something that is attainable in my bracket and for others as well. That will not limit or bottleneck a 15-25,000 dollar speaker, I am sure a fair amount of your audience is capable of attaining that type of equipment. So it may help others as well.
I would not tell you to target one specific case, or even my own, but just a general sense where to start from for everyone. Since not everyone has the same taste or expectations, nor is there any piece of equipment that's perfect in that bracket. Just putting it out there, and have no expectations from you just merely something to consider.
Thank you!
I might do something in the near future !
I found Boulder better than Gryphon when doing compares , far more accurate , again load is everything when comparing amps , so YMMV ..
Regards
Maybe ?
Gryphon is more "musical"
Jay you are still new at this unless you have tried Pro amps and custom amps you don’t have an Idea you have only scratched the surface my friend open your mind and leave the audiophile/fool world and get into the real world of real amps for 1/10 the price of audiophile/fool amps
Is ayon audio Any good ?!
Don't know
Did I understand you correctly?-- that this amp costs $122K? and you've got 2 of them? I can't even conceive anyone spending that kind of money unless you're lighting your cigars with $1K bills. For what 2 of those cost you could buy a modest, but decent, home in this part of the country. I guess it's only a little less crazy than spending $70K on a pair of speaker cables.
Why you keep stressing how much you paid for be it amps, dac whatever
The most cleanest and accurate realistic bass I’ve heard yet has come from a pair of Plinius 1k mono blocks, way cheaper than most of these amps
One day you'll hear Gryphon Mephisto
And one day you’ll hopefully get to try Plinius. Way more bang for buck., and it was only several months ago you said you were done with Gryphon
@@Romerosays I have owned plinius...years ago...it's good stuff
@@Romerosays Gryphon is just better
Overpriced!
Well its not the Amp in a 1970's Sansui Receiver - That's a Relief!!! Well maybe not cause I can afford that. lol
Before you said boulder.
Please listen 7 series Mono Block Soulution Audio, I am sure, it will be change your mind.
I already have
@@jaysaudiolab You have 700 Or 701?
@@fardaz9116 no
@@jaysaudiolab Which model you have??
I wish i have 343 wives