10 Downswing Myths KILLING Your Swing DEBUNKED! 💀
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2024
- In today's video! Mike Granato and Shaun Webb walk you through 10 downswing myths killing your swing! You've heard for years what NOT to do when it comes to your golf swing and downswing specifically. What if some of those "mistakes" were actually the RIGHT way to swing your golf club?
Athletic Motion Golf DEBUNKS myths about your downswing that are costing you a TON of success.
You'll discover not only the top 5 golf swing myths, but you'll discover 10 downswing myths, that once you fix, you'll see incredible improvements to your golf swing!
These golf swing myths may SHOCK you!
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Love the evidence based and scientific approach you guys employ. I’m tired of opinion, because all they are is opinions, and listening to too many diverse opinions have screwed my golf game all up.
we agree! It can get confusing with all the opinions out there
Great to see how similar these 3 styles actually work. Such a myth that getting the wrist bowed eliminates the need for face rotation and timing.
If only it was that simple 😂
This information is amazing. Thanks very much Mike & Shaun
Fantastic video. Amazing information. Thank you 😎
Great video, love how you present such detailed information to us. I was wondering if you could do another video on the release, as it's difficult understand how passive or active the movement is done. To what extent does retraction of the left shoulder/arm and active extension of the right arm release the club, to what extent do you actively supinate/downcock the left wrist and to what extent is it all momentum of the club?
That would be impossible to detect with Gears 3D. All you could do is interview golfers and ask them what they’re feeling, which is unreliable.
I suppose it might be possible to have electrodes monitoring muscles and detect if/when they actively contract, vs passively extend on the other side of a joint. But nobody is doing that research to my knowledge.
I think most good golfers would say the release is largely passive and driven by the momentum of the club head. But earlier in the swing, especially in transition, it’s important to learn how to get the club and clubface in a good place so that passive release can happen.
In general, in a full swing, consciously holding off a release is bad, and consciously trying to add speed with wrists from P6 through impact is unproductive and can slow down the club.
You guys are the best on UA-cam, or anywhere else I've seen for that matter. I get asked for swing advice all the time and I always point them right to this channel.
We very much appreciate the kind words and the shares! 🙏🏻💯
Great analysis fellas! Best and most technical on UA-cam!!! 👏
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Great video. This wrist angle thing has always baffled me and you guys are the first to make sense of it!!
Awesome we hope it helped👊🤓
One of the best videos yet. Plethora of great stuff.
Thanks so much !
I've heard you guys talk about slinging a BB out from the end of the club to help practice a free release, got any other good tips? I've been dragging my hands through impact with lots of shaft lean and an open club face, or square to an inside to out path. Thanks for the great views and dissection of the movements, its super helpful! Gonna go watch that unlearn shaft lean video again.
Great video. I’m actually going through this myself. Changed my swing path from 5* out to in to 2* in to out. However my face tends to b quite open at impact. All the metrics r good except that one. Trying to learn to release the club and this video has given me a nice image of what happens to the face +/- impact. Very informative.
Do u have any good videos/drills on how to release the club?
Very very common issue when making that path change, but well work your the effort👊. We have done some of those drills in the past, will see if I can find them for you.
Absolutely mind blowing. The combo of arm lift (49*) and trail elbow bend (56*) to swing width in golfer 3/neutral wrist helps me understand how to effectively keep that trail arm from over bending/squeeze out more width. I struggle with my club CG “float loading” in transition (CG going towards target instead of away when DS starts) so any videos you can point me to on trail arm bend in the BS would be greatly appreciated. I’ve heard you all mention that delaying the trail elbow bend in the BS can actually exacerbate this over bending later so I’d love to learn more! Would love to see you guys brought in as guest analysts on TV someday!! Thank you for everything you do!
As ever, Brilliant video, thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Thanks so much for watching!!
Just incredible detail Guys. Thanks.
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WOW Great video Will need to look at it few times to fully understand Keep up the great work
Great channel learned lots from your videos, easy follow your instructions which sets you apart from the rest
Yet again, just pure gold here. I absolutely LOVE the AMG 3D modeling, and in particular what you guys are able to show and prove happens with the arms. Pretty obvious who bowed is, and though I don't know exactly who neutral and flat are, being able to see how they move their arms is so enlightening, and embolding to me regarding my own swing. You already know from other comments of mine how positive and revealing your material has been to me. Like many, I think I was screwed up for years listening to those who said disengage the arms, don't be too active with the arms. Now we know from your empirical data and evidence that's not true. My only thing was being worried about my arms dropping perhaps too fast in relation to my body, and I am and will continue to work on proper sequencing. However, all three of these guys prove their arms move and drop very quickly and quite a bit from the top in a very short amount of time. Absolutely love you guys, thank you!
I'd be pretty confident the neutral is Rory based on that right arm elbow. I've heard him referenced as having a crazy low angle before.
Evidence Based Instruction! You guys have always done this, but are really taking it to the next level lately. This is one of those videos that warrants watching more than once. You continue to help change my concepts of the swing. Thank you for your hard work and dedication! Proud to be an AMG+ Member.
We're proud to have in the membership🙏 This one in particular has been in the works for nearly a year, we're glad you enjoyed it.
Really great. I've been working on reducing my "flipping" through the impact zone...when I really reduce my roll, I hang the ball out to the right (which is a good sign...I've also been working on delivering the club more from the inside so I can produce a reliable draw). When I really turn up the roll through impact, I hook...finding the right roll is the key I suppose.
Finding the right balance is key with everything it seems. At least that's what my nutritionist keeps saying 😂
Love the channel it has truly changed my game! quick question... after watching this, is it safe to say that roughly 50% of the face closure happens from the top into delivery then the other 50% from delivery through impact? if you look at face closer like that 0% wide open to path and 100% being closed to path
Truly great stuff here guys. I’m left wondering about grip strength and how it plays into the wrist positions and necessary face rotation?
As always great stuff. Keep it up, I surely do appreciate it. Y'all have helped me get squared away.
Thanks so much for watching! Glad it helps👊
Great information, thank you.
Thanks for watching!!!! what do you feel helped you the most? Were trying to get ideas for new videos from you all :)
Incredible videos. You help coaches so much
Awesome to hear. We appreciate you watching 🙏🏻👊
A man much wiser than I will ever be once said that the truth will set you free.
Thanks for another amazing video, and I am very glad that I am a subscriber to your site.
One question I have about the arm lift is whether part of the lift may be due to the body pivot throwing out the club instead of a conscious raising of the arms?
We’re glad to have you! It’s far more intuitive for golfers than conscious (unless they’re trying not to lift). You probably never thought about how much to raise/lower the arm when throwing, and you probably never tried to not raise/lower either lol. The pivot has more to do with the in/out of the club not much with the up/down.
Great video ! Can you talk about some drills to find the balance between closing the face and body rotation? Thanks love your channel fellas
great visual explanation of 10 myths, sliding to the ball is power & accuracy killer for me! !love the video !!
What I enjoy is how well you put it all together; best in the business in my estimation.
I have recently been working on the best swing type for me to release the club correctly. A lot of it has to do with turning the club near impact and how I perceive it obviously. What surprises me the most is how quickly this happens evidently, as it feels to me like it’s happening throughout the swing, but the turn may be creating this illusion. The last thing I want to do is to start snapping my wrists. Thanks, great stuff as per usual.
It sounds like you're on the right road! Maybe the biggest takeaway we got from putting this together was just how amazing our innate ability is as humans to sense these things.
Best golf channel on You Tube. Hands down!
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Thanks for informative video. You might want to also discuss downswing and rotation in terms of acceleration and force produced (F=ma)
Very interesting! One thing I have come to a realization is that the swing is not a moment in time but a continuous event. Trying to meet each "station" of the swing is detrimental to consistency and the purpose of playing the game! Having an understanding of the flow of the swing has helped me more than worrying about p6 or p9, etc.
Having an understanding of the parts is ok but in the end we have to flow it all together. Exactly right!!!
Sounds like Dr. Kwon.
Thanks guys, this video especially the part about grip roll being unique frees me up to swing my swing. Great work!
Swing away!’n
It’s hard for a tiger to change his stripes in the regard 😊
Really great thanks. The only thing "reducing club face rotation has done for me is push my index up to 3 🤯 Question.... does "holding the club off or reducing rotation not make it harder to keep the club "through the ball" longer at impact. I find the club feels like it comes beck up the plane too soon? Might not make sense but interested to hear what you guys think
Great work as always guys 👏
Thank you!!!! Much appreciated
Just amazing work fellas! One of your best videos out there. I would love to see more on grip roll - how it’s accomplished correctly, how the 120% ramp up a foot out from impact is accomplished. Thanks again for all you guys do for the community
The Pros vs Am video we’re working on now is about the release 😉
@@AthleticMotionGolf best news I’ve heard all week! Can. not. Wait!!
@@ameliajade6113 It's gonna be eye opening 🤯
@@AthleticMotionGolf I’ll rest my eyes now while I still have a chance 😳
Wow - fantastic presentation and information. Great insight into what is actually happening in the golf swing. Thanks. An idea for a next video - show how the arms move in relation to the upper torso, taking out bends and turns. Thanks
Have you had the chance to checkout our last Pros vs Ams video? It details a lot of the arm movements without the turns and tilts. Let us know if there’s there something else you’d like to see that we didn’t cover there👍
Love what you guys do. You don’t teach methods and you’re not system teachers. You do what great teachers do….you understand matchups. Keep up the good work. Quick question for you, do you even use video camera’s in your lessons with individuals or have you found that 2dimensional cameras don’t do much?
Love the info!
Thanks!!!
Once again just amazing material. A suggestion for a video… being Canadian and a left handed golf (right hand dominant) like so many golfers in Canada due to hockey. What are the differences being lead side dominant. I think Phil Mickelson and Jordan Spieth are like this. Great short game and crooked drivers… sounds similar to my game. Again love the material. Thanks
Super helpful!!!
Awesome to hear!
The isolation of the arm motion is awesome. I’d like to see more isolation of things like arm rotation and wrist motion.
we love the isolation also!! Can be eye opening
Really great detail guys thx. Yes, I must admit, I was a little surprised by the ratio of face closure to 'rotation closure' in the last few milliseconds before impact.
We sure were too. Thanks for watching!
Really interesting stuff (I recall one of you earlier videos on grip roll speed and it was fascinating). In addition, on some of your earlier videos you talk about what feels like doing a stop sign with right hand on the downswing (presumably to help closure of clubface). Do you think all of these golfers are feeling this type of move or does it vary? Thank you for your content, revolutionary dare I say it !
It definitely varies with what they feel, and they’ve done it for so long, it’s not something they probably ever think about anymore, which is the ultimate goal.
spectacular detail. love the gears.
thanks for watching 🙏
That was amazing. So many “ top Level” teachers promote and teach these myth’s and heralded as “guru’s “ . Great information and scientific analysis.🤯
Great stuff!
Thank you !!!!
Legendary instruction ♥️🙏🏻
Thank you!!!
Next level stuff, great work guys. So face to path is key.
It’s the whole shootin match!!!
@@AthleticMotionGolf It makes so much sense now that you have shown it this way. Club face closed or open at the top is so last year! Great work, love your stuff!
@@chrisbye8203 those descriptions will always be used, but it does help to know how everything relates to the path. And there's not a bunch of variation to that at the top.
First time seeing club face angle being referenced in relation to club path. So yes definitely eye opening! Also great job clarifying how face rotation is not as much a function of body rotation. Don’t need to go down that rabbit hole! So thank you for that. Great video as always! 👍👍
Thanks for the comment!! Ive been down some rabbit holes...sometimes its a long trip back out. No fun!
Eye and mind opening data. You highlight rate of grip transition as the commonality, but I would like to see some more insight or dominant trends that allow the form at impact. Maybe thinking in terms of energy/work can shed a light into the shared success of these very differebt swings?
Wow guys-timely and awesome video!
How did you know that the concept of how the wrist moves from the top to shaft parallel (club delivery position) then to shaft parallel after impact was precisely what I was working on yesterday in a simulator session?
One question: Does the wrist down-cocking initiate or cause the horizontal rolling which rotates the face?
Your data shows that by shaft parallel at club delivery between 26% and 44% of the wrist down-cocking is removed. The rest is removed into impact. In the sequence would you say that vertical down-cocking leads the horizontal rolling?
Yessir, for the club to plane correctly at the bottom, the down cocking is necessary for the rolling 👍
This video was awesome!!! I have issues with too much dynamic loft, my club speed is good, by my distances are down because of how high I hit the ball. I can hit the ball straight but it’s way high! This is both driver and irons. Is that a wrist issue, not rolling the hands issue?
Could be, but the first place to look for a loft issue is where are you upper and lower centers at impact. If you're not covering the ball, you'll have some loft issues.
Do you have a grip strength to swing style match up video?
Love this video guys. Although not emphasised as it wasn't the main topic, it also shows the extent of upper and lower body separation at shaft parallel and at impact. I suspect the average amateur has nowhere near as much separation.
Fantastique vidéo as usual !´d love to learn more about grip rotation…very unclear for me !
Anything specific about it you’d like to see?
Wow… thanks for this. I can’t tell you how long I have struggled with keeping it “square.” I work on it and my swing just gets shorter and the course gets so much longer. I am excited to free my move up and gain some athleticism in my game again. Thanks again.
Yep that “keep it square” idea is like handcuffs for your athleticism. Time to take the cuffs off! 👊😊
@@AthleticMotionGolf thats why they call it Athletic Motion Golf !
Yet another excellent video, you guys have no equals. You just know that other instructors will start using this information as if it was their own discovery! I know that the grip speed rotation is ‘individual’ but is it a speed inducer in itself accepting the combination or not with other elements of the swing?
It certainly makes sense to draw that conclusion, but we just haven't seen enough info to say for sure that it would help increase speed. All these guys here swing it FAST so you can get an idea of the ranges with just this small sample. Thanks for the kind words!
After watching this video, I’ve been searching back issues to see if there is an angle between the forearm and the club shaft at the instant of impact. Does the rotation of the forearms “whip” the club or is the club an extension of the arms and is leverage around the lead shoulder fulcrum the source of velocity (disregarding rotation’s contribution.
Yes there is an angle lead forearm and shaft at impact, typically around the 150 degree range. No I don't believe there's much evidence to support the fulcrum/velocity idea that we've seen.
Great video!
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This one I took many rewinds to dissect. Trail elbow rise is something I was slow swinging. I thought my lead arm rising high was a problem. Now I see what to achieve. (Get away from flying elbow). Martin Chuck did a great short clip on arm angles staying in front of the body in the backswing turn. It only reinforces what you’re talking about arms and shoulder turn.
Love these!!!!! Thank you for the great product.
Thank you for taking the time to watch 🙏🏻💯
Thanks for another great video, pretty much guaranteed to learn something from you every time I click play
Thank you!!!
Love this! The myth busting of the bowed wrist only needs to turn through impact is fab. Don't know how many times I've heard pundits say that rubbish.
Haha so true
Thanks for a brilliant video. A few questions: 1. Can you plse compare full swing face rotation with chipping and pitching face rotation? 2. Can you please compare face rotation for same golfers hitting fades and draws (is "holding off" a myth?) 3. I suspect bowed gets his shaft more outside his address shaft plane in the delivery phase than the others meaning he has space to pull his left arm into his body and avoid some face roll in squaring (but not really "turning" - is there such a correlation? Thanks a lot Johan van den Berg Germany
1. Yes, that's a great idea for a video.
2. Yes, it's a myth in that fades aren't hit by holding off the face. Both are played by releasing the club.
3. Our next Pros vs Ams is on the topic of release, I think you'll be surprised at what good players do compared to what we think good players do 😉
I've seen slow motion of my club head closing in on the ball and I was pretty shocked the first time I saw the playback on a shot I felt was flushed. I thought I was doing something wrong, cause it doesn't seem like I'm closing the clubhead that fast on impact. But this video perfectly explains what's happening, now I know; great upload!
Pretty crazy to see how fast it moves compared to what we feel.
Great stuff. Can you do a video on pressure points in the hands? I've been studying The Golfing Machine some 15-20 years ago, but have begone reshaping my swing, and would very much appreciate your take on pressure points
We have a couple really good grip videos on the channel. That's the best place to start 👍
@@AthleticMotionGolf yeah, I've seen a ton by now, but not one that explains hitting the golfball with the pressure points, and when to release. If it's already done, could you direct me to it with a link?? I would really love to put on that Gears-suit one day ;)
@@ThomJonez The pressure points in a good grip don't really release. They should stay pretty well locked in from start to finish.
@@AthleticMotionGolf well, it's just me being a little confused about pressure points and the lagging clubhead, hinge action and so on, as The Golfing Machine describes it, compared to a modern day (throw-) release which seems to be a mix between swinging and hitting
@@ThomJonez you have to pressure the grip to throw it.
hey fellas, do you ever talk about body soreness? I felt some soreness in my left side body and wasn’t sure if that was good news or just not as bad news as the lower spine stiffness I’m more apt to feel. would love to see a piece about what muscles should be doing the work and where we do and do not want to feel soreness.
this vid^ was incredible btw. you guys are doing real research and it’s fkn crazy what you two are discovering.
We’ll occasionally talk about common injuries we see from certain movements, but tend to stay away from too much talk about soreness because of all the possible causes that don’t necessarily have to do with golf.
Incredible that you can break this stuff down, I am only surprised because of all the "new" information out there are just guesses. You guys are the golf scientists of our age!
Thank you!!!! 🤓
Very interesting. Lately it feels like it is recommend to have strong grip, bowed wrist, and less arm rotation. However, I like having neutral grip and use arm rotation. This video makes me feel better as neutral grip with arm rotation isn't a bad idea, correct?
You are correct 👊. Most have a neutral grip, and EVERY player has arm rotation😉
This is very interesting. What I would also like to know is to what extent the forearms rotate and whether the shoulders tilt (not just turn).
There is a good bit of forearm rotating happening, and definitely shoulder tilting as well 👍
Found this pretty amazing. All we hear about is rotation keeping the club square through impact. Truth is most people can't hit it out of their own shadow doing that and great players don't do that either.
Would love to know DJ can roll the grip from bowed wrist position as we are told it is a reverse throttle move. Is it his forearm roll??
Can you expand on what you mean by "reverse throttle"?
Is the player's intention to go from open to rapidly closing before and after impact the cause of a vertical hand path?
If you always thought you should try to square the face before impact would that likely produce the straight line to the ball move by the hands from the top?
The face will always be open before and closed after. How fast that happens depends on a few factors. The key is not trying to square it early thinking you’ll be able to keep it square through.
So there is bowed, flat, and neutral wrist at the top. I feel most comfortable with the stronger grip showing about three knuckles. In my mind that makes me slightly cupped with my left wrist at the top. On the backswing, should I be moving my left hand and wrist to one of these three positions arriving at them at the top of the backswing
great insight. So what are.the hands doing into.impact....is r.hand controlling the face or left or both....thanks!
and is r.hand pushing or just rolling
All of the above. What each player might feel more of will be largely unique to the player, but they are all happening.
@@AthleticMotionGolf So this really is a game where timing and skill is needed...it doesnt just happen as a result of downswing body positions, there is some element of conscious control
Hi guys, my jaw hit the floor repeatedly during this video! First, THANK YOU for all this very detailed information and accompanying plain language explanation. Second, if I were to incorporate the left arm movement is it the same as lifting my arms up as if under arrest in front of my body but doing so while rotating in the backswing? Thanks again very much for all the work you put in and then sharing it with all of us.
basically...They do swing across the body some also.
Great video
Thank you!!!
Can you please clarify what is meant by grip roll? Did you mention that a significant amount happens at the start of the downswing? As someone who gets steep very quickly I am trying to feel as though I roll my left wrist forward to slightly bow it at the start of the downswing.
Correct. It’s twisting the grip in the direction that closes the face in the downswing 👍
Great video...nice explanation. But I'm sort of wondering about things; some of this confuses me. It's one thing to measure rates of change or differences in angles. But to really understand the swing, don't we have to know the causes of those changes? The guys who study biomechanics, don't they point out in their studies measuring forces and torques, that sometimes the body is doing something opposite of what it looks like it's doing? Is it really correct to assume that the hands must "do more" of something at a given point, just because some angle is changing in a certain direction? What if the club is pulling on the hands, and the hands are actually resisting rotation, not trying to accelerate it? Something along those lines. Have you guys looked at these various numbers in the context of what people like Kwon and Jacobs and these other guys have come up with regarding the forces and torques of the swing?
Good video .. would like to see some vid's for us overweight or stocky built guys and what swing tips work for tgst body type
Great idea Working on it as we speak
Can you make video explaining what is squaring the face? Is it mainly supination of left arm? Really struggling with a few degrees open face and over rotation of the body with no mechanism to square the face.
We sure can! How long have you been playing the game?
@@AthleticMotionGolf for several years and down to 6hcp. Tend to just overrotate path left to get the ball on line
DJ is the Bowed wrist? Rory is neutral? Who was the flat wrist swing?
Every professional golf instructor Should watch this as I just did twice It would help a lot to stop following in vogue trends by regurgitating to students flavor of the month buzzwords and really understand what forces and motions have to happen in all swings to deliver the club proficiently. Great work guys. - Brannon Watson
Thanks for the kind words, and we couldn't agree more!😊
Is there a way to measure how these players are shallowing the club? I was under the impression that bowing the wrist helped with flattening the swing--
wow! this was really cool!
Thank you!!! We’re glad you enjoyed it
Dj, Scott , Rory !
What is a video where you talk about grip roll? Is that essentially just left arm supination?
It’s a combo of what both hands are doing to the grip. Left sup definitely being one of them👍
Great video, there's so much "all you need to do is rotate" talk in Internet land. I thought though the club is being torqued open thro impact, is there any sign of that in GEARS?
Your idea is pretty close! It's resisting the closing (but not opening) which torques the shaft. Most extreme cases are with large high MOI driver heads and graphite shafts.
There was one recently with an old clip of Tommy Fleetwood talking about rotating with straight arms like a windmill, don't know if you have seen that? If your body rotates at about 5mph? and you arms at 25mph? max, how could the club be travelling at over 100mph unless there was something else driving it?
Very interesting video. I'm not surprised at all and when I was younger I could actually really clearly feel the release of the club and how it was very open from the top and then started to close but did most of it's closing in the bottom of the arc. When I was at my best I could always square it very intuitively to the path down to minute curvature when I wanted it especially with longer clubs. I don't think that you disproved that DJ can just turn through the ball because when the shaft is very well, or perfectly leveraged, the hands release themselves through impact. It's a given that the hands and arms do a ton of work through impact but they really just respond to the dynamics of the rotating body in doing so. I think that DJ's arm and hand release is more along the path that his core is moving on, which is where he's turning to. Other players will have more of a letting the arms follow the developed momentum through and beyond impact which momentum may not correspond so directly to the direction that the core is moving in. Thus, the move becomes more of a throw away from the body through impact rather than a throw which corresponds more directly with the direction of motion of the body (i.e. turn through and release). This is why DJ doesn't really stand up through impact in the same way as other players do; which is often interpreted as keeping his spine angle although I might tend to disagree with that characterization somewhat. Nonetheless, it's nice see the evolution of these things in such a clear manner. Kudos.
We appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment 🙏🏻👊
Little bit of cupping at the top is perfectly fine. Once I realised this I started hinging better and hit the ball a lot more solid
Yep, most players will have a small amount at the top.
@1:27 From left to right at DJ, Rory, Scheffler/maybe Fleetwood? Thats my guess
So are you saying according to gears, the release of the hands (turning of the right hand over the left for a right handed golfer) is what squares the clubface not body rotation?
This is not picking on you at all, but we had bets on how soon someone would ask that question 😊. I think you missed a lot of the video if that’s the takeaway. Golfers in general are notorious for hearing things in opposites or extremes. The FACT that the body does not square the face in no means rolling the hands over is what squares the face. We detailed at least 3 other factors that play a big role. Again, please don’t take this as direction towards you specifically, you just happen to be the first to ask the inevitable 😊
But would u agree by saying a lot of grip roll from P6 to P8 would mean a whole bunch of hand flip to square the face?
@@Stewwwwww Pros in general (like these three) have more grip roll from P6 to P8 than ams - did you see the insane speed and degrees of rotation documented in the video? You can call it “flipping” is you want (nobody does), but they’re releasing the club as it was meant to be released.
Hey Guys, following your suggestion on writing on a possible video subject. I revisit your videos often, and was re-watching this one this morning. My possible suggestion concerns dropping of the arms, when exactly this begins, and the rate. I know this is extremely hard to quantify given different body types, arm length, height the arms and hands get, etc. But as a relatively tall guy (6'1") working on blending the dropping and body rotation, I question sometimes exactly when and how fast to let the drop happen. I know Mr Bowed drops extremely fast because he's also a tall guy and gets his hands almost absurdly high, so he has to (I'm nowhere near him, but get above my shoulders). I know it's a work in progress, and I'm still trying to ingrain these wonderful movements. When I'm on the course it is still a mix of old and new patterns, but when I get it right, particularly off the tee, the results are better than anything I've ever had in 20 plus years playing golf, with regard to distance (!!) and accuracy. I now no longer fear my driver, and it is becoming a weapon as it should be. I think I have about a dozen of your videos saved in a playlist that I review (ones that have been the most enlightening and helpful, you can probably see data on which ones according to my glowing comments), but if there's anything extra you can add or point me to, or if this could be made into another video, that would be terrific. Thanks so very much! 👍
There’s no waiting, bring down. Train the sequence slowly with video, then once you have, they can move a fast as you want to go👍
@@AthleticMotionGolf You guys are the best!
Fantastic info here. I remember one of your old videos showed a swing with the club only. I would actually really like to see some more of those types of video too (club from different angles) to better understand where it is meant to be and how the face moves through the swing without the body motions.
Totally agree with you. We’ve learned so much from just seeing how the club moves through space🤓
It was also quite interesting to note which wasn't mentioned that the setup position varied between the wrist types with the bowed wrist setting up with most shaft lean at address and progressively less for the other two.
Are you sure, because I don't believe their setup positions are in the video 😊
@@AthleticMotionGolf Yes, the overhead view right before the outro 17:38. I'd be curious to know your thoughts on this.
@@Way2sublime77 those overhead views are of them at impact not at set up.
Great info as always! Thank you. However, I’m afraid a lot of amateurs with basic knowledge on the golf swing will miss-interpreted the information within the video. Especially with the grip roll - closing rate. I’m afraid they will mishmash the timing and forces applied. Great job, though guys!
Oh that’s already being heavily miss-interpreted already lol. Hopefully the reality of the movement will start to slow down and shift the understanding 😊
@@AthleticMotionGolf what downswing video do you recommend, to alleviate the flaw of sliding legs and hips? My golf coach said: I'm not squatting in my downswing whilst rotating my hips...Is this correct?
Amateur here - what is grip roll?
@@goutfromfriedokra7099 Please, please, please do yourself a huge favor and don't try to "squat and rotate". We've had guys who've come to see that have been working on that with their instructors for the past handful of years. For all their efforts, they aren't rotated and have terrible ground forces. We'll have a video out soon detailing that movement with a much better alternative.
@@erinramsay7990 It's the twisting done to the grip to close the face.
Releasing through impact has always been my bugaboo. Tend to hold the wrist angles too long.
Set that puppy freeeeeee😊
This is why Jack Nicklaus said he released the club from the top. Felt like he could not release the club too soon. Still amazed at you gears video.
What is the biggest problem based on this last video that See in the amateur golf?. Is it poor body rotation or rotation of the club/release? These myth buster videos are really helpful.
It's been poor body rotation causes by trying to rotate the body hard and fast. That leads to doing it earlier and earlier, and that leads to getting the club in a poor position at the start of the downswing. Then the body has to stall so the hands can have a chance at trying to save the shot.
@@AthleticMotionGolf Thank you.
Hello this info is amazing these golfers would be in the high roll category if iam correct wondering if you have any examples of low rollers face square at p6 if this actually happens which is the hottest concept to play golf today so confusing
The first player is a low roll player. Which goes to the point that a lot of distinction between low and high is just splitting hairs. Like calling a NASCAR “low” speed because it’s not as fast as “high” speed as an F1 car, lol. No one has ever been square to the path at P6. Definitely a myth.
@@AthleticMotionGolf iam sure glad i came across you guys there a few pros who have it right like yourselves but most don't know what they are taking about for sure mind boggling passive hands have ruined my game for 50 years unbelievable so many have been mislead hope you continue to lead the way to clear up this terrible misleading information tks again for your help
@@georgetinwick3450 we’re glad you found us. You’ve still got plenty of golf left in them bones 👊😊