Pros vs Ams - Shallowing Like You've NEVER Seen Before 👀
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- Опубліковано 14 січ 2023
- In today's video, Mike Granato and Shaun Webb of Athletic Motion Golf unveil the truth about shallowing the club as you've NEVER seen before.
In one of the deepest looks at shallowing in golf and external rotation you've ever seen, you'll be delivered undeniable data about shallowing that will likely change how you view the golf swing.
After much research, analysis, and experience the Athletic Motion Golf team shares their findings on shallowing and external rotation starting by looking at the shaft angle relative to the ground across swings from tour pros who've combined for over 400 wins including 28 wins in 2022 alone.
By looking at the golf swings of tour pros versus those of amateur players, it allows us to see shallowing of the golf club in an entirely new light.
We'll look at everything from the arms, shoulders, external rotation, lower body, and every aspect of the downswing and decipher shallowing and external rotation (or lack thereof)
in the golf swing.
You'll also be given a quiz that will prove that most amateur golfers are capable of shallowing like a tour-level pro, and we'll of course show you how you to can shallow your golf club like a pro!
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There isn’t a world that I live in where I can afford an in person lesson with you guys, but this content cleared up just about anything I needed to see or hear. I appreciate what you guys do for us considering it’s free. Thank you so much boys!
Thanks so much for the kind words, Roger. We will ALWAYS put out the most accurate, evidence-based information we possibly can for FREE 👊🤓
@@AthleticMotionGolf appreciate your videos also. Thankyou
Excellent information. I just this last 6 month figured out the correct golf swing with some lessons and then watching you guys that put it all together. What a difference in ball flight, distance and accuracy it has made. Wish I had known this 40 years ago. To stop coming ott totally changed my whole game. Even the club pro gave me a compliment on the driving range a couple days ago. Looking forward to spring.
Where are you based? I’d love an in person lesson 👌🏻
@@OHGGOLF Orlando fl
I believe this is one of the more important videos you guys have done. The gears illustrations and the myth-busting, factual approach to golf instruction have been so helpful for my game, thank you for everything!
Awesome hearing the visuals are helping! Thanks so much for watching 🙏
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This is arguably one of the best visual shallowing videos to date! Thank you so much for all you do! Cheers!
Wow, thank you!
Agreed. This is a way of looking at ths like I've never seen before. Mind blown.
How this isn’t the most subscribed to golf instruction channel on UA-cam I’ll never know. This is absolutely ground breaking! Watching all of the videos on this channel has made me realize that one of the things that make pros so good isn’t that they have this ability to understand and execute the “complexity” of a golf swing, it’s actually their ability to simplify it. Watching this channel has opened my eyes to the fact that we have made the golf swing so much more complicated than it should be. You wouldn’t believe the crap I’ve tried to shallow my swing. Then here comes the AMG guys, “hey, just lower your arm in the downswing the same same way you raise it in the backswing” 🤯.
In all seriousness, thank you so much for cutting through the noise and boiling this misunderstood move down and making it so easy to understand. The demonstration towards the end of how the right vs wrong arm movement looks in the standing position was absolute genius. Thank you so much for this video. This may do even more for me than the Shoulder Rotation and Arm Depth video and that’s saying something!
Funny story to your point… we had a gentleman about 3 years ago tell us he was a 3 handicap and would no longer watch videos because our “ideas” on the swing were too simple and not geared towards better players. That’s a living breathing example of what you just described. The reality is the better you get, the simpler things should be. NOT the other way around. Great post, BTW🙌
What an AWESOME, thorough, well thought out video. You guys are raising the bar for all of us---very well done!
Thanks pro 👊. You gonna be at the show next week?
Absolutely amazing video. Love it guys! Now if only I had time to make it to Orlando 😂
Thanks brother! We’ll be here when u find the time 👊🤓
My other mentor was Bob Toski. Leading money winner 1954. I helped with Golf Digest schools. He and Jim Flick were head instructors. Also Nicklaus/ Flick school. U are correct there'is nothing new. U do a great job
Did you move from Carter Seville to Orlando? I saw some say you’re in Orlando?
I can’t believe I finally understand the correct moves in a downswing after playing golf for over 30 years! Now I practice using your three steps in the Shallowing Sequence and I feel muscles and joints that I’ve never used before, but it just feels GREAT! I’ve never been more excited about playing golf than I am this season, all thanks to you and this awesome video.❤️
Easily the best golf video I’ve ever seen and have been watching hundreds of channels including yours for ~3 years. If golfers could only watch 1 instructional video for the rest of their life, it has to be this one. The isolated views of each movement from all different angles shows you the golf swing in a way that no other video can. Amazing job AMG
We appreciate it! We've got more in the pipeline with utilising the FOR the player perspective 😊
Train with us with AMG+ at athleticmotiongolf.com/amg-plus
Fantastic, as always. You guys really cut out the confusion. The correct movements are always so much simpler than what people think they need to do.
Thank you!! And yes they are
One of the best Golf instruction videos online. A person can learn so much from this.. Thank you for providing it.
By far the best golf channel on UA-cam. Whenever I’m struggling with my swing thoughts you guys are the go to people. Everything explained so easily, love it.
Thanks for trusting us to help with your swing🙏
8:40 was the eureka moment for me! Stripping out all other movements and just looking at the right arm is brilliant. I was definitely 'Arms Up Club Out' and now having trained the right arm with these simpler up/down movements, my ball striking has improved tremendously. Thanks so much guys and keep 'm coming!
That’s awesome! Way to go 👊🤓
What an absolute eye opening, game changer of a video for my game! I watched this last night and did the drills all night. Got out today and my swing and contact are just different! I have watched many a "shallowing" videos, but this is THE ONE! Great job guys and thanks again for this catalyst for my game!
Let’s go! Awesome job incorporating things so quickly 🙌. Keep at it 👊
No upselling. No BS. You guys get straight to the point. This channel is heaven for people working to improve their game. When I make it on tour, I’ll pay both of you a visit lol.
The production and information on these videos has gone through the roof. Thank you and keep up the great work!
We're going to give it our best try!
This is by far the best and most thorough video I have seen on swallowing the club. You have solidified my understanding this move and I very much appreciate it. Keep up the great work as all of your videos are so helpful.
Thank you and cheers,
Alex
Glad it was helpful!
Absolutely the most insightful golf instruction out there. Love how both of you break down the actual motion versus perceived motion of the golf swing. The frame of reference is so amazing to help me understand the swing. I wish this was available 20yrs ago! Big difference in my swing but I noticed that the speed of lowering my right arm and straightening right elbow has to match my downswing shoulder rotation otherwise my hands will be out of sync. I had to learn to speed up my right arm movements. Is this correct? Thanks so much for all you do AMG!
Can’t wait to to take this to the range. Hands down the best instructional channel out there. Thanks guys!
You guys work hard on these videos! Amazing content thank you!
Thank you!!! Big Mike is the magic behind these. 🤓
Amazing video! How this channel only has 176k subscribers, I’ll never know. The arm lowering work at the end is so great. Thanks for providing such great content to help me improve my golf game.
Haha we wonder that too sometimes 😅 You’re welcome!
Great vid and I really appreciate your commentary on the subjectivity (and likely inaccuracy) of simple video analysis. Your vids, layer modeling and observational insights helped me better understand the golf swing as an incredibly dynamic process incorporating physics of both a trebuchet (multiple levers) and a centrifuge (centrifugal forces). At the same time, this helped me move towards a more natural combination of movements and has been instrumental in my move from a high 20s to mid teens player over just a couple years. Thanks for all your quality content@
Watching this is an education in itself. As an Engineer, this really helps to understand the bi-mechanics and I applaud you on putting together something that translates what is a complex move in such a professional and understandable way. The graphics are amazing. I’ve started to lower the arms recently and it has improved my game, to the point I hit my best score today and moved to the my lowest handicap (12.6) since I started 2 years ago. Keep up the good work and thanks for sharing what would have taken a lot of time putting together. ⛳️
Hi Mike, thanks for the superb video. I’m currently working with a leading teaching pro in the UK (works with a couple of tour players) and he agrees this is the best video he’s ever seen with regards the lowering of the shallow.
Question: The only think confusing us both a little is the 20° supination. Do you think this is an automatic/subconscious action created by the weight of the club head in the transition? It feels like too much of an club face opener when actively trying to achieve. ie almost the opposite of closing the club face from the top. Cheers and keep up the superb work.
Looking forward to the video. Hand and arm path in the transition and how that can shallow the club are of particular interest to me.
I think you’ll see some things you haven’t seen before with regards to both 👊
Fantastic Video, By far the most clear and easy to understand video I've seen on the relationship between the arms and body in the swing. Can't wait to get to the range and give it a go
I can't tell you how much your videos have cleared up things about the golf swing. Thank you and keep it up...
Wow. To separate the movements in the swing, then isolate them like you are doing, is revolutionary. You are true pioneers. Plus, it's not just informative, but also very usable to practice the "feels." The golf swing has perplexed us because it involves 3D movement over time, while we had been stuck in 2d static images. You guys cracked the code.
For all of us who learned the game with 2D, it's been big shift learning to see that other dimension lol. But boy does it help!
You should receive a grammy for best golf instruction video. This content is way above everyone else even though there are great videos out there.
Incredible video, clears up so much for me. Thank you for this!
Fantastic advice. There are a lot of videos about shallowing, hundreds of swing thoughts. I didn’t get it until I convinced myself to think of one continuous move rather than going piece by piece. It removed over-thinking the process. Worked for me.
I lay an alignment stick 45 degrees off the target line stick and try to get the shaft parallel to it on the downswing, hopefully your presentation will confirm I'm somewhat on the right track.
When you go to rotate, use the alignment stick to track the movement of the sweet spot on the face. It should track exactly back down the route in went up in the backswing. It really helps. As long as the backswing is correct of course haha
My right arm gets tired holding it in the standing up posture. It feels tight too. I actually am in fairly good shape and work out regularly. Apparently though, I'm not that strong at holding my upper arm up in a not-very-abducted posture for a while and moving it up and down though! Anyone else feel like it's pretty tight or tiring up there? Maybe that's why I tend to always overly abduct my right arm and then have it fall away from me in downswing!
Invaluable video. Your pros vs ams videos are your most informative. The videos, like this one, in which you isolate the movement of an individual body part are so revealing. For instance, the video in which you showed the angle between the lead clavicle and upper arm should increase at the start of the swing was eye opening and very helpful. Thank you both.
Thanks for the kind words, Rob. We hope they help! 🙏
Absolutely love this stuff guys. You're the only channel doing this stuff as far as I know. 🔥
Glad you enjoy it! We’re working on more as we speak 😊
This is 🤯-ingly good! Being into 3D myself (arch-vis and non-related stuff) I've long wanted to see something similar to this. Extremely valuable. PLEASE, keep videos like this coming. I'm a self-learner that likes to think a lot about the swing and individual components (but I'm trying to get away from swing thoughts when actually swinging) and I love how videos like this VALIDATE some good thoughts I've had and simultaneously CLEARS the bad stuff letting me leave it behind without second guessing myself.
I absolutely LOVE to see the correct trail arm movement here, that was one of my own "aha!" findings last season that I later left and moved on to other sensations (because it was "just something I found" and I didn't know if it was correct). This will make me double down on finding and truly ingraining this pro move. THANKS!
Glad it helped you!!!
Thanks for explaining the transition/shallowing of the arms using the avatars in a way that simplifies the magic move that so many instructional videos never seem to capture. I'm excited to practice this move to establish muscle memory and track my progress on the deWiz system. Many thanks, cheers!!
Awesome. Let us know how it goes 👊
The shallowing move is so simple when you look at it with the models. Great video, awesome work
This video seriously was the breakthrough for me. Ever since getting a lesson from a golf digest top 50 coach a year ago, ive been trying to get the correct feel for dropping the arm/shallowing the club. This breakdown of each individual body parts made the lightbulb turn on. Thank you guys!!
Frame of reference perspective is a game changer #FORthePlayer
Absolutely loved this video - you all have a unique ability to break down videos in way that creates value added practice. Love the content and appreciate the info!
Thanks so much!
Oh my gosh… this was excellent! Thx you so much for leaning into technology and really breaking down the golf swing with data.
As a technical person, this has helped my golf game immensely 🙏🕺🏻
What a GROUND BREAKING lesson, and so well illustrated! This is SO fabulous! Thanks!!!
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Couldn’t agree more with these comments, best shallowing video on UA-cam no question, I’ve just stood up and tried to feel and copy how the right arm straightens, it’s not how I normally move, so now I’m giddy to try 🙏🏼⭐️👍
Best explanation of the relationship between arm structure and body movement I’ve seen yet. Explains the distortion of down the line video so well.
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Awesome Video.The comparative visuals are so beneficial! Been working on this for the past year and have not been able to make much progress. I can't wait to go to work with what I have learned here.
Let us know how it goes !
This video is correcting so many misconceptions about the golf swing, I had to watch it twice. This is amazing and IMHO is what separates AMG from the other channels. Great work.
Thanks for watching. It’s been eye opening for us seeing things from this perspective, we hope it helps!
Wow, what an eye opener. I was doing exactly what your student was doing, and like him I was trying to do it ! Tomorrow I start with these right arm moves. Boy is it gonna feel weird . Thanks guys, the visuals and the way you break it down are unbelievable as always.
Thank you for this video. I have felt so helpless trying to get the club to shallow. I have already seen huge improvements in just a week after watching this video!
This is almost certainly the best explanation of the shallowing movement. I particularly loved the upright avatar view, which made it much easier to relate to (and practice in a mirror) it’s transformed my golf swing, strike, consistency, distance and added even more enjoyment of this great game that so often beats us up. Thanks Mike & Shaun.
wow thank you!! happy it helped :)
This is the most descriptive assessment I’ve seen regarding shallowing and arm movement during the swing.
I’ve downloaded it and will thoroughly analyze my swing with actual concrete data.
Nice and thorough presentation.
That's the way to do it 🙌
Great information. Understanding what the trail arm does is transformational. Thank you both so much for the depth and truly understandable guidance. You guys rock!
We think so too!! Thanks for the kind words 🙏🏻
This is honestly the best video I’ve ever seen on how to shallow correctly. Amazing work.
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This is the most insightful instructional video I have ever seen. Much appreciated
We hope it helps 🙏🏻👊
What an awesome video. SO helpful to see these movements independently.
Awesome! Thanks for checking it out 🙏🏻
This video is incredible. Solved a problem I’ve been trying to fix with the right arm and compression in one session
This is the best video golf-related I have ever seen. I mimicked the arm movement from 8:32 to 8:37. I have never in my life hit the ball so well. Straight, long, no physical stress. Amazing
Please do more videos like this! Seeing movements in isolation while standing up made it so simple to understand.
We've got more in the works. What part of the swing would interest you most?
This is the best video on you channel. No contest. Isolating individual movements is so incredibly helpful to better understand the golf swing. The bit I loved in particular is where you show the downswing arm move completely isolation. It’s so simple when you see it like that! I hope you keep doing more videos like this.
Glad it helped. We plan to do more like this in future 👍
@@AthleticMotionGolf Can you do some videos focused on chipping and pitching measurements please? I've heard respected teachers argue for opposite methods, and both sides say the pros do what they teach.
@@freddym6643 we’ve got an entire short game system in our AMG+ membership that goes into lots of the data on pitching and chipping if that’s of interest to you.
@@freddym6643 what specifically are you talking about ? What are the opposite viewpoints
@@AthleticMotionGolf In particular using the bounce versus not using the bounce, and delivering shaft lean (all pros use 16 degrees shaft lean allegedly) or deliver the club almost vertical
You guys always make great, informative and understandable videos, but this my friend, is on another level. At least for me. I can't tell you how it has changed how my swing feels. My name is Jerry and apparently there's another Jerry somewhere out there that struggles with the same exact issues I do. I'm playing this video before every round and every practice session. Thanks Mike!
Top Notch. Thanks for the great explanation of shallowing the golf club.
Your best video yet! I now understand and day one went better than expected. Thank you!
Awesome! Thank you!
This video is a life saver. Mike/ Shaun - thank you . Isolating the moves and then putting them all together is what is missing everywhere else in golf instruction / youtube and you guys are doing it so precisely with data and science. Pl keep at it. thank you once again.
Glad to hear it's helping! Thanks for watching 🙏
Brilliant! Definitely, some big misconceptions cleared up in there. That is a lot of work. Thanks guys.
Thanks for checking it out🙏
Great job guys! This is a top level educational video. You demonstrate well what really happens in a good golf swing and this with breathtaking editing work. Bad concepts lead to bad golf swings! This video clarifies what every golfer should do. No more excuses! You rock🤘🔥
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for the kind words 🙏🏻
Unbelievably helpful to see these moves with the avatar in a natural standing position! This perspective demystifies so many things. 👏👏👏
Glad it was helpful!
My go to golf channel. This is awesome. Appreciate the work that went into this polished video. Where are the hands at impact relative to right shoulder and torso? Is there any adduction before impact?
Best golf instruction video on UA-cam. Thanks for making it
That is the best video of trail arm movement I've ever seen. Great job guys.
🙏🏻 thank you!
Thanks guys great stuff all around and I loved the simple definitions of terms!
We hope it helps, thanks for checking it out!
Wow, this video is the best explanation of shallowing the club ever. Subscribed!
Always great videos and your explanations and illustrations are second to none
An absolute game changer guys. I along with most other guys have been doing too much to try and shallow the club but not what you guys have shown here, thanks boys it’s awesome keep up the good work!!!
This video is beautifully done. Thank you.
Been struggle with the steep transition for years .
This video has changed my perception of what is required.
Went to the range and tried and couldn’t believe the video feedback
Thanks Guys 🙌🏽
Love it! Let us know if you have any questions 👊
Truly outstanding video, guys. I'm a complete beginner who picked the game up 8 months ago, so this is all new to me. I love the idea of isolating a body part and giving evidence-based drills for it. I'll be doing your trail arm drills! Would love to see a similar analysis of the lead arm, because right up until 14:13 I had convinced myself that I don't have the flexibility in my lead shoulder to get a good backswing...
Welcome to the game! We’re going to do more of these type videos this year👍
Amazing video!!! Thank you Mike & Shaun!!!
Best vid yet! Sooo helpful!
Awesome video. Clear, simple breakdown and superb presentation.
Thanks for checking it out 🙏🏻
Thanks so much for this explanation, you are both great teachers.
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Amazing work and a fantastic job articulating such a compelx but infuriatingly simple concept. Vital work.
Thanks brother 👊
I wanted to thank you very much for your data based videos, which are unique on UA-cam. I have been trying to implement the things in the video and I have been hitting the balls like never before, and when you find the right feel it makes the golf swing much easier. Keep it up 🏌️♂️
Great vid.......not many out there that truly explain the shallowing sequence, which I'm working on! Great job!
Let us know if you have any questions 👊
This analysis is incredible. Seeing the digital representation of the swing in 3D is a game changer in golf instruction. Thanks for sharing your hard work.
Glad it was helpful!
Great explanation, thanks for all the great info, definitely going to watch this one a few times.
Awesome, let us know if you have any questions.
I appreciate your work AMG!! I'm a cricketer that started playing golf recently and every fibre in my body goes towards the ball because of muscle memory!! This video makes understanding the correct movements easier. Now to shank and mishit a few balls in order to unlearn the bad movements and make the correct movements and start stripping the ball!!! Thanks again for the continuous beautiful content!!
Thanks for the kind words, Aidan. Cricket is one sport we haven't tried. It doesn't look easy lol.
@@AthleticMotionGolf Haha, if you want a good golf game stay away from cricket lol.. I went from a 24 handicap to 19 in the past 3 months from watching the AMG channel and I've only been playing golf for 5 months now!! Awesome breakdown of the golf swing.. Thanks again guys.. I'll keep supporting your channel and keep chipping away at the "Golf" game.. Its the most relaxing way to stress yourself out!! Lol
Here's a quick sum up of the video.... BRILLIANT. Cheers for posting
That’s something we never heard in school 🤦♂️. Thanks brother 👊🤓
Great video. Thank you so much for this kind of thing, it's incredibly helpful!
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching 🙏🏻👊
Best video explaining how to properly decompose trail arm movements during downswing!! Thanks AMG!
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Probably the best video I’ve ever seen on this. Great work guys!!
Thanks for spending some of your Sunday afternoon watching!
Can't thank you enough! Even with some of your other videos, I had a hard time understanding how to lower the trail arm properly by extending away from the target. Can't wait to get out there and practice tomorrow!
Really appreciate you taking the time to put his together. Incredible, groundbreaking content. I am going to save this for continued reference.
Love it🙏🏻. Let us know if you have any questions.
@@AthleticMotionGolf well you did ask. Why at 18.20 do I not see any straightening of the arm in phase 3? Thanks.
These videos that reset the player and show exactly what each body part does is absolutely incredible. Awesome for players that need the scientific explanation as to WHY we need to be doing certain movements. Keep these coming.
Glad to hear that frame of reference is helping. We've got more in the works 👍
Incredible video. The FOR the Player view and just standing up helped me so much. Great content as usual!
Happy it helped you!
Wow what a game changing video. I had watched some of your other shallowing videos but didn’t get it until this video. My arm over abduction on the backswing was creating a slight across the line/over rotation that I couldn’t recover from without getting steep. I was trying everything but keeping my trail an arm in front of my body fixed like 3 swing faults at once. I can’t wait to drill this into muscle memory. Thank you!!!
Thank you!!!!
Really good vid. Love the isolation. Any reason why in phase 3 of the practice it looks like the arm doesn’t straighten? Cheers
I’ve been studying the golf swing and trying to improve for 50 years. I’m a single digit , always working on right arm positions. This is by far the best video I’ve seen on the subject.
Awesome to hear. Thanks for checking it out, we hope it helps 🤓
This video is incredible. I think it will have a huge impact on how shallowing is taught. Fantastic work.
We hope it helps remove the mystery behind this simple move.
Great video!
What are your guy’s thoughts on the Planemate training aid to help ingrain the shallowing move?
Never heard this info before-thank you so much guys!
Wow, great editing and production in this video! The sort of Monte Carlo view of pro clubs is amazing!
Fantastic video guys - very clearly explained. Only channel you need to watch for the golf swing. I think you should do a similar video for the backswing especially the lower body and how it works.
We'll add it to the list👊. We're working on one for the release now😊