EDF to TURBINE FOAM JET CONVERSION: STEP BY STEP GUIDE: Freewing Avanti EDF/Kingtech K45G3 | PART 1
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- Опубліковано 13 чер 2020
- EDF to TURBINE FOAM JET CONVERSION: STEP BY STEP GUIDE: Freewing Avanti EDF / Kingtech K45G3 | PART 1
Probably the most cost effective way to get into RC turbine jet flying. Take a proven ready to fly EPO foam jet and use a conversion kit to transform it from an electric ducted fan (EDF) to turbine power with a mini 45 Newton / 10 Lbs thrust engine.
1. Freewing Avanti 80mm EDF ARF Plus (no power system) www.motionrc.eu/products/free...
2. Kingtech K45G3 turbine engine
kingtechturbine.lu/KingTech-K...
3. HAB Electronics conversion kit for Freewing Avanti / K45G3
www.hab.se/bygghobby/hab-cnc/...
4. JETI model MAX BEC J-MB
www.nexusmodels.co.uk/jeti-mo...
5. Walbro / Zenoah "Winged" Clunk Fuel Filter
www.davesmotors.com/walbro-125...
Why do it?
There is no substitute for the sound and smell of a real jet engine. A converted jet may take off slightly heavier than the equivalent EDF powered jet but you will land lighter having burnt all your fuel and therefore at a lower speed and with less risk of damage to the landing gear. Speed in the air is likely to be significantly higher so care should be taken not to exceed the limits of the airframe. A foamie airframe has far less strength than a moulded composite airframe. This is a big minus but use the throttle stick appropriately. Another advantage is flight time. EDF jets of this side with a 6S5000 to 6S6000 lipo pack will get 4-5 minutes flight time. A turbine powered jet will get 7-8 minutes flight time.
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This may be one of the best videos ever put on YT about RC flying!
Thanks! Really appreciate the feedback. I had seen other folks had done it but not a good video covering what is involved...so really hope this helps those thinking of doing it. Cheers - Dom (Essential RC)
Very informative build to get over my mental block to get into turbines. Awesome close up shot of the business end firing up 14:00 &16:10!
Can't wait to see it fly Dom 👍
An actual turbine in a foamie. Some very clever people out there to make this work. Nice share!
Thank you very much!
HSD sell PNP Turbine foamies just add RX and batteries.
Wow amazing to see this in detail on youtube!
There's a chrome dome in a foam cone!😀 That is just outstanding. I bet someone melted a few before getting it right. The maiden gonna be great. Get your friends to bring theirs for a flight comparison! AirHammer out!!
Awesome project! I am looking forward to the flight...
You and me both!
Excellent video thanks! Definitely on my wish list 👍
That’s really cool, have to try that one day 👍🏻
That’s actually sick I never knew they made them that small
Man oh man this dope 🙌🏾🙌🏾 can't wait for the maiden of the conversion this gives me so much motivation to do one
Mr. Dom I hope Im seeing the Future A Great One it is
Hope so.
Can't wait to see it fly
Me too 😳
Ahh just watched that other video and nearly impulse bought an Avanti right afterward... now this possible upgrade path you're presenting me. Never had a real EDF, only micro ones. Flown some other pretty fast prop planes though.
It would be a big leap to fly a small turbine jet without flying a cheaper EDF jet first but could be done. Jets fly differently. More slippery generally and different approach to take off and landing, use of flaps etc.
@@EssentialRC oh id definitely be flying it as EDF for a while first!
Badass!! nice video thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching!
I'm converting an Avios MiG17 with an Xicoy X45 turbine, using a Grumania jets twin-wall thrust tube.
As it's a requirement for brakes to be fitted on all turbines (no matter how small) at our club I have fitted the JP electromagnetic wheeled brakes.
Xicoy state a UAT is quote: "highy recommended" and after speaking to Jeff at Zedjet he agrees so I am using a small 2 ounce UAT. I used BVM 'HEATSHIELD' paint instead of self adhesive foil tape.
Looking forward to seeing the flying video and good luck with the maiden flight! I'll subscribe so I don't miss it! 👍
BTW: Motion RC are out of stock of the Avanti S in both the EDF and unpowered versions but this may be my next project for the X45.
You're club sucks tell them to jog on...
I kinda like my little 100AESC/3658-2150Kv in-runner, does a fine linear knife-edge at 120mph.
excellent job
Impressive !
This is awesome
Nice break down would love to see break down of all turbine parts on bench so you can see them and see the layout better
Thanks
Already installed. There is only the engine, pump, ECU and fuel tap so not a lot to it.
What happened to the SR-71 Blackbird build ? I spotted it in the background
Brilliant thank you
Спасибо за обзор !👍✈️
Just came across this! That’s a lot of turbine! Seems to me something like a p20 would do the trick! Very interested in seeing it fly
You don't have to use all the power! Many others have converted this using 45N engines. When I'm done with this airframe I can drop it in a 90mm EDF airframe and use all the power if I want.
Well Dom has finally lost it... lockdown fever?! 😁
Good luck with the maiden.... can't wait to see that going Mk III
Spot on Martin. But...can Dom lose it even more? That's the question. 😜
That’s cool! 👍
nice job sir i want one
This has to be one of the best and innovative RC videos I have seen to date, question, how many channels do you need for the receiver, can you do it with just 6 channels? Thank you for the great content and look forward to your maiden!!!!
1. Throttle, 2. Elevator, 3. Aileron, 4. Rudder, 5. Gear, 6. Flap, 7. 2nd BEC 6v power supply (primary BEC 6v power supply into RX BATT)
What’s the length of that exhaust pipe? I’m trying to order one that is double walled but I’m not sure what length to order
When are you coming back out with part 2 of this video. This is the greatest video I've ever seen. Now you made me want to get into turbine conversions. Can't wait to see the maiden.
Delayed for a couple of reasons James. Really hope to fly it early next week.
Great video... Best video about an EDF to turbine conversion I have seen anywhere. Thank you. I want to build one. Any idea where I can get the HAB Electronics conversion kit or a similar one in the USA?
Get it from HAB.se and import it. Link to the actual product you need is in the video description.
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Bring on the pretty maiden please.
Inspiring video, Thanks.
Subbed.
Thanks for the sub!
Very neat.. Thanks for sharing.
A few questions..
I imagine you have to be really careful and limit the wing and control surface loadings in comparison to a composite fuse?
What will the power to weight ratio likely be?
Will know when its assembled and I've weighed it. Next video...
Great video. Now you need to do that to finish your SR 71 blackbird. :) Thinking about doing a conversion on a Freewing A10. I'm waiting for Swiwin to release their 4kg turbines. All my turbines a Swiwin with Auto flameout restart. I would be adding a UAT for a Kingtech just to be safe.
Kingtech had the restart système so you can flight without uat
Swiwin has NO plans on making a SW45. Its not even on their radar since they are building a new factory to make the larger turbines due to military contracts.
@@NoonzAirborneRC Thats interesting I was wondering why it ws delayed It been over 12 months since it was announced and the demo video was released.
@@brianroberts5062 yeah the demo. Video I saw was from Thomas cheng...he is NOT a part of swiwin company at all!! Swiwin had a 45 back in the day but stopped production I believe 6 years ago. They have no interest at the moment making it again...sux bc they make great turbys! I know the US importer personally and he has expressed on how they are loosing out in an up and coming market but still shrug it off...I have all swiwins except the k45g4 that I have bc it ain't going to be available from swiwin
In the states it doesn't really work as "getting into turbines". The conversion Avanti jet isn't heavy enough to get your turbine waiver. USA - AMA requires 12lbs dry weight for the aircraft used to get your waiver for turbines.
Interesting. Wasn't aware of that. Thanks for sharing that info.
@@EssentialRC I'm only recently aware of this as I start my own journey into turbines. I've been reading all the regulations, builds, etc..
Cheers to a great video though. I really like this idea and might be something to do after getting my waiver.
Put 12Ibs in the airframe, complete certificate then pull the 12Ibs out haha j/k
many thanks for the conversion video.
could you supply a link to the turbine fitting kit and jet pipe please.
many thanks.
i have been on the Hab site and can find no mention of the kit.
Recommend email them. Please tell them I referred you. Amir@hab.se or tomas@hab.se
how was the foam did not melt? those turbines ran very hot.
Hi, great post. What fuel are you using as there are several recommended from Kingtech.
Jet A1 😎
Great video. Thanks for sharing. I have an Avanti, but I'm hesitant to go turbine. They say turbine motors can be finicky, I've heard some guys having to return their motors to the factory for repairs or maintenance.
Yes. That can happen but not if they are looked after.
That’s mostly KT, their micros are temperamental. Xicoy is the way to go.
Got K-30
I am new to the JET engine and would like some advice if the parameters are correct
Start Meun
1.Pump start Value=042
2.Pump PW lghit.K=90
3.lghition RPM=17000
4.Stage1 RPM=20000
5.Stage3 RPM=22000
6.Starter POWER at=140
7.Stage1 Starter=110
8.RPM 100% Starter=25000
9.Engine min Flow=080
10.Stagel Fuel=025
11.Stagel EGT=088
12.RPM OFF Starter=37000
13.RPM to reconnect=37000
Run Menu
1.Full Power RPM=201000
2.Idle RPM=90000
3.Max Temperature=680
4.Accelertion=006
5.Deceleration=004
6.Stabiliey Delay=100
7.Pump LIMIT=260
I prefer EDF simply because it's virtually 0 maintenance and nowhere near as expensive.
A turbine engine can crash and burn.
Not sure about the stress on a foam frame caused by that level of power.
Very interesting project, I would never have thought you could put a turbine into a foamie. Does the fuel attack the foam?
No. Heat is main concern and venturi effect takes care of that. Gotta love physics.
Great shot up the tailpipe! I was really surprised how much noise the electric motor makes during cool down?
Hmmm. Me too and it stays on which surprised me. Other engines tend to cool down in bursts of a few seconds. I need to check the manual as what is expected.
@@EssentialRC The motor is supposed to stay on until the egt reaches below 100c. Have you found out why it was staying on?
Hello, I also fly with an Avanti foam with a K30. I would like to know if you have any problems with your tank system with the felt diver. I do have a cage tank and yet some wedges. Thank you for your answer
No problem other than the bung not sealing the tank properly but I just put some 5 minute epoxy/micro ballons mix around it from the outside to seal it. The felt clunk works very well. I can run the tank dry. Hope that helps.
@@EssentialRC Thank you, never set?
How many ml is the fule tank
Is the idle rpm of the turbine on the high side for these small foam jets?
If landing on a long runway, no.
Looks really cool and all, but at over $1500 for a turbine similar to yours, I think I'll stay with electric motors. I'm obviously in the wrong profession, as I just don't have the free capital for that kind of expenditure.
great vid ,only downside to edf is the flight time 3 mins and its gear down for landing,what will flight time be for this
6 to 8 minutes
Just wondering how likely it will be that turbines break in crashes? I know the air frame will be destroyed but any idea how resistant the engines are?
I think there is less chance of damage in a foamie compared to a composite model. The engine being surrounded by foam has to be a good thing in an impact. That is unless the fuel tank splits and ignites on impact...in which case there could be a large sticky mess. 😂
Essentially turning into a napalm fire 🔥 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤣.
I think you should have a look how to extinguish such a fire, just incase.
Well I have just ordered the bits but I am now a bit worried about the delay with the maiden?? Have you had problems with the setup or the maiden, would be fantastic to know before I start my conversion following your brill video!! keep it up!!!
Delayed due to flying site availability. No other reason. Quite eager to get it flying.
Thanks for fast reply. No problem, I am excited to see your next video, Thanks again!!!
Hi. How is the next video coming along. Is the any chance you could show how you piped up the fittings inside the tank? I am just curious to see where the breather pipe goes inside. Have you bent the vent pipe upwards towards the top of the tank? Many thanks.
I noticed that you didn't mention anything about an air filter on the tank breather tube.. Do you not think that it would be a good idea to fit one to potentially stop any debris being sucked in to the fuel tank?!?
air filter? There is a foreign object debris (FOD) guard integrated into the front of the engine that stops anything going into it. Think you are also talking about the vent which I did mention. It's just a narrow bore tube does doesn't need a filter.
@@EssentialRC Yes I'm talking about on the breather tube that stops the tank from imploding as the fuel is sucked out of the tank.. Had you left the tube inside the fuselage, it wouldn't really be necessary but from how you described it, it sounded like you've put it through a hole to the outside.. Many many years ago when I used to fly with nitro engines, we'd always put a small filter on the breather tube if it was fed outside of the aircraft...
Hi Andy.
could you help please.
i am going to try produce a 3D printed fuel tank.
could you let me know the sizes of your tank please.
you said its 75mm wide and 90mm deep all i need is the length.
many thanks Steve
Do you know if HAB ships to the US, there isn't even an English translation I can find for the web page?
Yeah...they would. I would just email them stating what you are after and your address. They'll quote you price.
@@EssentialRC Ah cool thanks again! Any issues with the fuel tank. I know in your last video you stated you needed to adjust something but I couldn't figure out what you were talking about,
The vent pipe was not bent up enough inside the tank so the tank did not fill completely. Easy fix.
Nice..now you need someone to record you maiden flight 😇
Oh that will definitely happen
Xicoy x45 would be other option, been thinking about doing this too but to the f22.
You couldn't get 2 more different jets. The Avanti will do more pure aerobatic. The F22 looks awesome and will fly slow. Take your pick.
Any update on when we will see more of this ??
In next few days I hope. I'll explain the delay on the video.
This is amazing. But I just want to get something straight, did you pay over $2,000 for that one engine to go into a foam plane? Brother, you deserve a 1,000 subs just for that effort.
I did indeed! We do kinda crazy stuff. We'll fly it FPV soon!
My only question would be price to fun ratio. The Turbine alone is the cost of 4 Avanti EDFs brand new, so does it provide that kind of fun and last long enough? I sure wish their were a more cost efficient way to get into these gas turbine. Cheers to you though, that thing looks, sounds, and flies amazing!!!
Yes for me. Mine still going strong but discoloured thru so much use. Think I'll get a v2...
Hi .
could you do us all a favour and let us know the dimensions of the jet pipe length and diameter.
please, many thanks
Do you sell the rc sukhoi 30 flanker?
Eh, no. It is manufactured by CARF Models in Germany. You can buy direct from them or suppliers around the world. Google is your friend.
Oh thanks!
If it feels cool now it will be better in the air. This is something on my list. You think why? 300euro plane can be replaced. Keeping the jetengine safe is another🙂. What was the total for the turbine and all?
Depends where you buy the engine from. Google it.
@@EssentialRC i,m in europe, the Netherlands and used your link to look
Wow, those tiny jet engines can get quite expensive
Yes. You can spend 2 to 3 times what I spent on this for the larger engines. So worth it though when I can fly my big jets like this ua-cam.com/video/Zuhh-AWD7fw/v-deo.html
How to turn an excellent plane into a very expensive excellent plane.
I knew turbines were expensive, but about Aud$3500? Wow. That's holiday money! Lol
$3500 AUD for a Turbine you need to shop better. This is a 4Kg thrust turbine. My 14Kg turbines in my Aviation Jets SU35S were less than that each. The 6Kg turbine in my HSD F-16 was only $2200 AUD. And these have in air flameout auto restart. Getting into turbines is not as expensive as you think. I have paid more for my gas engine (Radials) than turbines. Give them a go.
Ok champ .... you have to list manufacturers.... because a 17lb thrust engine I just looked at was £5,000 sterling and I didn't pay that for my first car.... gave half a quarter and a £10 for it 🤣
Ooo
Sorry I thought your name was Andy
Four
Four what? 🙄
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Turbines are expensive, messy, and finicky. I flew them for years. It's EDF all the way for me now.
They used to be, not so much anymore the technology has caught up in just a few short years. Now with the micros they can auto tune and adjust for changes in atmosphere for flawless performance all by themselves.