Fishman TriplePlay working with a MidiPlus sound module
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- Опубліковано 20 лип 2024
- I've had a number of people ask me whether there is a simple way of using the TriplePlay on stage without taking a computer and the software. This requires a hardware Midi sound module (the bit that makes the sound) instead of the computer. For simple needs, the midi plus does a great job of this. This video shows how. Thanks for watching.
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Great, you answered a few questions that most of us have about this kind of setup.
Thanks for doing the video! I have one ordered, and can’t wait to tinker with it 😁
Brilliant video and discussion of a very practical use of this tech; kudos!
Thanks Michael, I hope it was helpful
Nice video thanks. Covers exactly what I was thinking about. I have the S-Engine by Midiplus at the moment and as I've just ordered the Tripleplay Connect I was wondering about getting the Miniengine
That is excellent tracking!
Truly helpful video. Thanks.
Awesome video!!! I subbed
cheers Wayne, much appreciated
Thanks for the excellent presentation. How responsive is this TriplePlay to MidiPlus to sound module with respect to latency? Your performance appears quick and glitch free.
Great demo David. Any idea how to get different zones like on a PC with the triple play.
Thanks for sharing
Hi Dave. I bought a TriplePlay with the foot controller about 4 years ago. Installing the pickup was easy and i was able to hook it up to my iPad just fine but wasn't able to play all the soft synth sounds that i had paid for so I put the whole thing away. I'm a retired guitarist and I own quite a few synths, arrangers and high quality sound modules. Your video is giving me new hope for the TP. It seems to me that using the TP with a MIDI sound module maybe much simpler than with VSTs on my iPad or computer!
My sound modules have both 5-pin MIDI and USB. Do you recommend going MIDI out from the foot controller to MIDI in on the sound module? It almost looks like you're able to bypass the foot controller altogether. Is that correct? I would be grateful for any help you can provide!
I have fishman tripleplay wireless and miditech pianobox mini2. How to set midi to play only on one midi channel. Now every string plays on one channel (1-6)
Hi David. Can you do a string bends with that sound module especially when using a Nylon sound? I am planning to buy that midiplus stuff. Thanks
Thanks for sharing this fun set up. Question : Can the fishman midi system be programed so I could use two different sounds on the midi plus at the same time? Eg A bass sound for my E and A strings and a keyboard sound for the other strings ? I know I read that the midi plus can use two midi devices at the same time .
Hi, the Fishman can definitely act as 6 midi channels one per string thus allowing you to align different sounds to each channel on the midi sound module. What I can't recall is how you would program the MidiPlus to receive these, from memory it just pools all channels into one. This video is from a few years ago, I use a Roland JV1080 these days which is far more flexible.
Would you share how you set up the hardware patch in the FTP software to operate the midi module without the computer?
Program change number, bank lsb and bank msb?
I’m stumped and lack an advanced degree in computer science. 🙄
Yes if you find me on Facebook I could send you the Hardware patch file for you to upload. I can't guarantee it will work with your midi device but you can try. What midi device do you have?
wow! life saver!
From what point of view?
Hi Dave
Thanks for an amazing video.
I use FTP from my guitar to my computer. I got some questions.
1 Do you think the latency is less when you use it with a sound module?
2 In the computer you can split sounds on different strings. Is it possible with a sound module?
Thanks for your feedback, that's really appreciated. With regards latency, the latency with the hardware module is so small you can barely tell. My experience with my computer has varied with different computers, different DAWs etc but has always had more latency. From memory, you can split the sounds on different strings but I've not really used this. The challenge is it uses the midi channels 1-6 so again from memory, I think you need a more complex midi module that can run multiple channels on different instruments at once. I believe the Midi-plus didn't support this. I now use it with a Roland JV1080 which does support this and allows me to layer multiple sounds too.
Thanks. Roland JV1080 seems nice (not the newest one)
1 Why is the reason you just bought that soundmodule?
2 do you any smaller unit that can do the same thing
@@jonashofer4002 I enquired at multiple music shops for a hardware synth and they laughed at me saying VST is the future. So I started researching older Roland kit and the JV1080 was the most used synth on pop songs and films ever, so I found one of these on ebay for £250 and took the risk. Other than being quite complicated to use if you want to do anything clever, it's brilliant. I bought a 1U case for it to sit in and it works a treat. There are videos of my whole rig on my channel. I'm sure there are smaller units.
@@davidupton8100
Interesting rig you’ve got. I saw it on your channel, with Roland JV1080
Quite complex.
Do you used that rig on gigs with no keyboard?
I use my acoustic guitar with fishman FTP. The biggest reason is to play baslines on just 5,6 string . I use it with my computer but especially baslines produce latency. I want small gigfriendly product for just that case
Do midiplus have any bas sounds?
Is it possible to have bas on just 5,6 string?
Can you program midiplus from another midicontroller to get rid of bas when you strumming the guitar
Hi again
I been checking you’re other videoclips on your channel, very nice, thanks. You can really do interesting with tripleplay midi converter.
1 Is it possibe to have different sounds on different strings throught boss JV 1080
2 is it possible through midiplus soundmodule?
/Best regards
Jonas Hofer
Thanks for the video, I bought the midiPlus unit but wanted to use it in a slightly different way. I have tried your setup with a keyboard connected to the USB port and the MIDI to an Airstep footswitch, and I can get the display to show the patch correctly, but the audio does not match the selected patch. When I physically change the patch on the dial, it is correct. Anything you can suggest?
Do you mean it's one patch out?
@@davidupton8100 No, if I have patch 100 selected via the wheel, it plays right, but if I then select patch 2 via the footswitch, for example, the display shows 2, but the actual patch heard is still 100.
@@lgovantes1 Ah ok, you have to set the foot switch and the hardware patch midi config up through the Fishman software. I may be able to give you some preset hardware config to load. It's a while since I did it so it'll be tomorrow before I can remind myself.
@@davidupton8100 Thanks, I look forward to your input, however, my use case is a bit different. Instead of using my fishman guitar setup, I would like to configure it for a keyboard controller... I connect the keyboard controller with a USB cable and can dial up the patch fine... but when I connect my Airstep to the midi port on the miniPlus, that has been configured to change patches on the midiPlus, it shows the patch change on the screen of the midiPlus, but the actual sound is still the one selected by the dial. This is baffling and the manual is very poor when it comes to midi operations.
Whats the name and model of the little MIDIPLUS box?
Hi How you moving patch sounds to Triple play module ? and where you get sounds organ acoustic guitar violins ? because free was only synth master.. and even this I can't transport to my guitar triplePlay hardware..
I have bought pedal and triple play module on guitar.. but now when my usb is in pedal tere is only poly program available an no sound..
So the pedal is not able to send midi sound through Guitar out cable? and without midi plus I will not get any midi sound out of pedal?
The pedal doesn't generate sound, it purely manages the midi instructions from the guitar pickup, through the USB and out through the Midi ports. You need to attach a midi sound module (hardware) or your computer (software) to this for that to generate the sound. This is why I bought the midi plus so I could get a basic General Midi sound set that was small enough to carry around and use on stage. This is an old video, and I have since bought an old Roland JV1080 off ebay which gives me much more sound choice, but either solution work if you are trying to play live and don't want to have to take a computer with you.
@@davidupton8100 hi thanks for responding so fast.
Yes whole idea for me was to avoid laptop and iPad on the live situation or even practice one..
I saw Fishman promotion video where presenter was saying that he can load
Up presets on triple play wifi module (attached to guitar) and then go and play on stage without computer
… I was mislead to thinking that this will
Work for me :
Pedal board fc1 with usb Fishman triple play in it using sound from guitar triple play hardware ..
but now after your explanations
My options are:
Have connected laptop or iPad (triple play connect app) at all time or buy hardware midi module or this small one from your videos..
How then you transport sound of organ or violin to small midi chap box?
Em I wrong thinking now that triple play guitar module is not able to hold any midi patches in itself ?
I will soon find this video and share with you where fella saint it does carrying patches ..
@@wakenwaken3618 It would be good to see that video yes. I think Midi gets confused between the instruction set and the sound generation. I went on the same journey of understanding, Midi does not do sound generation, it is purely and instruction set standard to send triggers and instructions between midi devices. The Fishman device is purely doing this. So yes you can load all your instruction configuration into the guitar device (hardware setting) including patch numbers, banks, octaves etc, but these are to be sent down the midi cable to a device that can generate a note. For example, I have all my hardware patches and settings downloaded into my FTP which I configured to make my Roland switch to the right banks and patches etc. I set my bass patches to be an octave lower and some of my synth patches to be an octave higher. This means I can change patch on the FTP or FC1 and my Roland will do the right thing. But the Roland actually generates the sound. I hope that helps.
@@davidupton8100 yes, it helped a lot.
So the instructions and patches you need to set while connected to Roland..
then Fishman hardware on the Gitar would save those settings to work with the Roland midi without pc…if I got it right..
will Fishman triple play also remember in those instructions if you want to use given patch with mono or polyphonic or settings how midi Roland should react to string bends etc??
For example I was using today triple play hardware with usb straight into MacBook and and GarageBand and noticed to have no control over bending string settings.. it was probably flat out controller..
but maybe if I connect it through the pedalboard would have some control over string sensitivity or bend characteristics?
Or maybe this could be achieved only in Logic Pro where Fishman will be used as vst with all settings available?
I know that using laptop and triple connect soft all settings for string sensitivity and types of bends or vibrates are on the board.. but as mentioned above I don’t know how this shouts be utilised with third party soft (garage band ,kontakt Logic Pro ) with use of triple play hardware only or with pedalboard also.. which I have..
Sorry for so long question but this is so fascinating and complicated subject ;)
Ps
Can you recommend any channel or course which make this whole thing clearer?
@@wakenwaken3618 yes if you go into the FTP software and start setting up hardware profiles you'll see everything you can save as instructions on the unit. You set all of these and save them and then there is a menu option to download them all to the FTP guitar unit. The footpedal makes no difference other than to switch between them and tell you their name.
With regards a channel to help with this, I couldn't find much hence I started doing the videos when I worked it out. I did however join the FTP Facebook group and there are always people to help in there.
Did you manage to change the miniengine patches via snapshots in the helix? Which Channel/CC do I need to adress? I have the miniengine pro, but the manual doesnt give much information.
Hi I did yes, I think it was all on Channel 1 however I use a FC1 so I'm effectively controlling the FC1 and that's sending messages to the MidiPro, you can do it either way. All my gear is packed away for tonight's gig so I can have a look at the settings for you tomorrow.
@@davidupton8100 thank you!
Great video David!!!! Are you able to mix the guitar and midi signal? So let’s say I wanted a mix of the strings sound from the fishman and Midiplus and then have my guitar tone from the helix as well?
Yes totally, I have the synth through the stereo return on the Helix then drop the return block in the signal chain and make it switchable on off. I then use strings under my electric, it fills the sound out really well. eg Intro to Wanted Dead or Alive, 12 String model on my Variax over strings from the Fishman.
A quick rough example of guitar over strings ua-cam.com/video/Ylcpk_c17ZI/v-deo.html
@@davidupton8100 thanks for the quick reply!!! Can’t wait to get my hands on the sound module!!! They’re very hard to get a hold of nowadays
@@jamie5399 I'm using a Roland JV1080 these days so it's been a while since I used the MidiPlus, it's a good little device for gigging. Have you ordered a MidiPlus?
@@davidupton8100 I’ve seen that you’re using the jv1080 now, I haven’t ordered a midiplus as they’re out of stock everywhere. I need something small enough to fit in my helix bag and not a rack unit, I have been looking for others midi sound modules but haven’t found anything just yet.
Can you plug the triple play into a keyboard instead of the Midi-plus to use the keyboard sounds.
You need something to convert the midi instructions coming from the USB dongle into something keyboard would understand. If you keyboard has a USB midi input I would expect that you could plug the USB straight in, but most keyboards have DINs and the only USB is out from the keyboard.
Hi. I don’t need a foot pedal. But I just want to use it live with my band playing clubs and going fron my iPad to my amplifier. Csn uou tell me what I need and how? I’m also on a budget. Lol. Thanks
I've got the full wireless Tripleplay which doesn't come with ipad connections, but I think the cheaper Connect version works quite well with and ipad, it just has a cable rather than wireless, this video might help ua-cam.com/video/ttgBm8GJX5Q/v-deo.html
is the tripleplay just acting as a wirless transmitter and not using any of the sounds from the fishman library, i've seen another demo with a keyboard controller on youtube and the sounds in the ammoon module don't sound so good, yours sound like very useable sounds are they coming from the helix or the Fishman?
The tripleplay is acting as the midi controller sending midi messages to the MidiPlus sound module. The Midiplus sounds are ok as a cheap and convenient solution. most people who have tried this have then moved on to using a Pro Midi sound module like the Roland JV1080 (see my other videos)
@@davidupton8100 Cheers David, I've ordered one, I mainly like what it can do in the app such as fretboard division and layering, I'll use it with keys for now, the triple play can wait, going to invest in some of the EHX stuff instead, don't like the idea of dragging around laptops and tablets👍
Hi David, do u think an older Iphone or Ipad could replace this hardware?
Last time I looked, only the wired Tripleplay Connect worked with an iPad.
@@davidupton8100 oh really?? I have to ask before I may buy it! You know, in the evenings playing at home without the need of a cable from guitar to amp would be cool (even the natural sound wont work only the midi)
@@davidupton8100 I have just read it: The Fishman TriplePlay Wireless and TriplePlay Connect MIDI Products get a makeover, with new and improved software bundles. All current owners of the TriplePlay Wireless and TriplePlay Connect now have access to the TriplePlay Software for Mac and PC and the Connect iOS App for iPad.Jul 16, 2020
Surely u must be able to control the Fc1 via the midi on helix ?
christopher short yes I do, what’s your point? (Meant in a nice way)
Lol in a nice way ! 😎 by the time I got to the end you demonstrated what I was asking ! I’m using the FTP with a laptop and the new updated synth
Tracking still isn’t great even with the new updates
Any suggestions on set up ?
christopher short I think it’s fair to say no midi pickup is perfect, do you get as good tracking as I do on the video? Also it can depend on the synth setup, the pickup height, the sensitivity and also setting the pitch bend setting right in each profile. different settings seem to work better or worse depending on synth sound. I’ve also noticed sometimes it’s better to play nearer the bridge. I’ve had it on 3 guitars now with three synth setups 2 hardware and one software and found it takes a fair amount of messing around to get it working well but it can work fairly well. I even got a classical guitar sound working well a few nights ago.
Where do u get that usb dongle?
Do you mean the one that comes with the Tripleplay?
@@davidupton8100Hi Dave. What sound module did you end up switching to and is the hook up just as simple - just plugging the TP USB dongle into the foot controller then MIDI out to the sound module? Thanks.
nice video mate - do you still use the Fishman setup? do you use it live? any video of it actually being gigged?
I used it live for a long time, mainly piano and strings. I'm not sure if I can find any footage. I've stopped now because I wanted to simplify the rig and not be so dependent on it, so we've adjusted the set and I use an acoustic simulation instead of piano.