Fishman TriplePlay, TriplePlay foot controller, Line 6 Variax, Line 6 Helix, MIDI plus in a rig
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- Опубліковано 13 жов 2024
- This is not a demo, or a sales channel, or a business, (you'll see that by the low quality) I just see a lot of posts about these various items and wanted to show how I have them working together in a practical environment. Give me a like if you want more and I'll do some about each of the individual items in the rig rather than just an overview. Many thanks for watching.
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Excellent video. Don't worry about quality it was fine. One of the better videos out there.
Thanks Colin
@@davidupton8100 Hi Dave. After watching every FTP videos on UA-cam, I'm hoping you'd be the one who can answer this question for me since you're also using your FTP/FS1 with a Roland module. When I'm controlling the module with my keyboard, I can change patches on the module itself but when I use the FTP/FC1, I can only do this with the up/down buttons on the FTP and FC1. I lose the ability to change patches on the module. What settings do I need to change in the FTP? Thank you so much!
@@hienvu1714 Hi, I would need to remind myself how to do it but I think there are two options. The FC1 can be configured to pass the midi through. Or, you can setup your hardware config in the software so each patch in the Triple Play can send on a patch change to the Roland. These hardware profiles are created in the Triple play software and downloaded into the device. I'm away at the moment but I can remind myself how this works when I'm back. I always created the hardware configs as you can then change the Octave for the bass patches, and change the bend for instruments when you can bend notes.
@@hienvu1714 Actually this video on my channel explains some of this around about 27 mins in ua-cam.com/video/3acWAWPwywI/v-deo.htmlsi=VB2fQs90HLXU8mOh
Hi Dave, Great demo, I did take your advice and bought the ( Micro Plus) also bought the ( Tripleplay Foot Controller FC-1 ) but would really appreciate it, if you would show us how you reprogrammed the FC-1 to match your sound unit. Top notch all the best with future videos
John Emerson
You need to go into the hardware patch setup in the Fishman software. I may be able to send you a config file if I've still got one. I tend to use mine with a Roland JV1080 these days. Try and find me on Facebook if you use that and send me a message on messenger.
How did u change patch names? I can’t find it in software. Thanks!
I would love to see a video showing a demo of a gig you would do I have this setup with a helix lt variax standard and ftp with no pedal but I would just enjoying seeing more. Maybe I will learn learn things to do with my setup
Jaymn Kelly thank Jaymn, I’ll try and record something. I’ve just upgraded to a JTV59 so a you’ll see a video later today. It’s been brilliant at recent gigs.
I can load up to 200 patches onto the triple play unit on the guitar. This then sends a wireless signal to the K1 which does what it says. It just switches the patches up/down and displays the name of the patch. it can not store any data. You can go from the K1 F/S to your PC or direct to your audio source via whatever chain you want to make up.
steve redmond I’m so sorry I missed this question, are you still interested in an answer?
David..... I am so grateful I stumbled on this video. I am an old disabled dude (turn 60 soon), been playing all my life, but unfortunately do to health issues quit playing guitar 4 years ago , moved and never setup my home Ableton studio which has sitting in boxes (mics, computer interface, midi controllers, tons of VSTs , boutique analog foot pedals, analog synths etc. . Plus two Godin analog guitars equipped with internal Fishman TriplePlay so no external pickup or control until is mounted on guitar. Nobody could ever figure out what the heck was going because all they saw was me holding a normal a normal looking strat or hollow body not knowing it was FTP equipped. I could go wirelessly into any amp and combine both MIDI & analog and even trigger my external MOOG synth with my MIDI guitar. But to do that live means bringing a laptop with Ableton so I have access to all the cool VSTs or an Ipad with the Fishman app. I was planning on buying a HELIX 6 or LT this week and once you mentioned the Variax, I realized I would be missing out on some cool ideas if I purchased a HELIX 6 without a Variax guitar. So thanks for inspiration and will be buying both Variax, HELIX and external FTP pickup this week. But I am a tad confused about what MIDI module are you using for the FTP? The Helix is for the guitar and variax so how do you use the Triple play live? Also, without an analog signal going into Helix and just digital out from Variax, can a wah wah pedal be inserted in signal chain? It's been years so I am feeling a tad dumb at the moment and greatly appreciate any advice.🙏
Hi Bob, I'm glad this was helpful and that you are getting back into music tech. I use an old Roland JV1080 which I bought off ebay. I started off using a Midiplus which is £60 the size of an ipod and gives you all the General Midi sounds but nothing more. So good strings or piano but no Piano over strings. The Roland let's me do so much more but still carry it around in fairly portable 1u rack case. This video shows how my onstage rig works. ua-cam.com/video/3acWAWPwywI/v-deo.html
@@davidupton8100 hi David. I had given up on using the TP with my IPad Pro then saw your video and decided to try using the TP/FC1 with my Roland synth module.
I have dongle plugged into the FC1, MIDI out to MIDI in on the Roland. I can change patches using the up/down buttons on the FC1 but not on my synth module. When I change patches on the module, nothing happens. Do you know if I need to change something on the module to make it possible? Thank you so much!
Awesome combo!
Thanks for the video, very useful to see the way you set it up. I could not see you using the Parker guitar in any of your other videos, I think. Would you make one?
I would but I've since sold it. It was my main guitar for years but just didn't have the output and tone of some of the others so as my collection grew, I never played it.
Great sounds! If I understand the discussion, the Fishman FC-1 eliminated the latency problem, but you say in the comments you have since cut the FC-1 out of your chain, and send the Tripleplay signal directly to the MidiPlus Sound Module (?) (with no latency?). If you have uploaded the video describing that, I can't find it. Although I don't have the Tripleplay yet, this is all very interesting and helpful. Thank you!
Oren Tikkanen Hi sorry, I get so many notifications about other things, I often miss ones related to my own videos. I think the latency is in the software not the hardware or hardware driver, eg I bought a USB to Lightening adapter and plugged it into my phone and iPad using Garage Band and in both cases there was virtually no latency. Also if I just use it to send midi to my Studio 1 software it’s virtually zero latency, or any hardware synth for that matter. It’s just when I use the FTP software I get big latency. The benefit of the MidiPlus is it has a USB input although a few people have said it has a limited number of good sounds because it only has a GM sound set. I still use it but also have bought a 1998 Roland JV1080 off eBay which is epic but I’m having to use the FC1 to convert the USB to a DIN midi output (a very expensive solution). Are you going to play live or with a PC to hand?
Hi I want to ask you how to transport user patches to the Triple play hardware so I can move momory stick to foot controller and use them without pc.. I am lost here
I find this video very useful. I have the triple play and did`t instal it because of the same problem. Dragging a computer on stage!!?? Not comfortable. Can you please leave a link to the midi plus? Where to find it? One more question you think is some way to connect to a iPad with the connect app? Thank you in advance :-)
This is the one I have
www.amazon.co.uk/midiplus-miniEngine-USB-Sound-Module/dp/B00VHKM190/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1GDIC31XJZ175&keywords=midiplus+miniengine&qid=1583692777&sprefix=midiplus+%2Caps%2C262&sr=8-1
There is also this slightly more expensive version
www.amazon.co.uk/midiplus-miniEngine-PRO-Channel-Module/dp/B074WYSCF6/ref=sr_1_6?crid=1GDIC31XJZ175&keywords=midiplus+miniengine&qid=1583692852&sprefix=midiplus+%2Caps%2C262&sr=8-6
I'm about to post a video which shows how to bypass the need for the FC1 and just plug the TriplePlay directly into the MidiPlus simplifying the whole thing
@@davidupton8100 I am very unpationed man. I purchase already the FC1- Thanks anyway :-)
That midi plus seems great. Can you use Fishman software and create the parameters from the software and then use it in the midi plus or do you lose all of the function of the app by doing it that way?
You can program hardware profiles that can drive the patches, tuning and behaviours of the MidiPlus. You can't create tones on the FTP software that can be played through the MidiPlus, it only has it's own tones. I must admit whilst the Midiplus is good for basic sounds, I have since bought an old Roland JV1080 which is brilliant to use with it (It's in some of my later videos).
@@davidupton8100 Oh ok, yeah they should really update the foot switch it seems like it could have so much potential. Just to make sure I understand correctly if I program a patch in the triple play software to only trigger the top two strings of my guitar and mute all other midi strings does that save in the patch, When I disconnect from the computer? Sorry if it’s a dumb question
I have wondered for some time why even keyboard on a Fishman still sounds like a guitar.
ciao che marca e modello e il midiplus miniengine dove posso comprarlo
Hello David, Thank you for your informative videos! Great work! I'm considering the Triple Play and FC-1 Controller and have a couple questions. Hopefully you might help me out if you know the answers.
1. I have a number of hardware synths that I control on different midi channels via a keyboard controller into a midi splitter and out to the various synths. Can the Triple Play/FC-1 combo transmit more than one midi channel? If so, how many channels? My wish is to input the FC-1 into my midi splitter and control a bunch of different synths on different midi channels. Possible?
2. Are the presets actually stored on the Triple Play unit? 240? My understanding is that you edit your presets with the Fishman software on your computer and then transfer them to the Triple Play unit. The Triple Play then transmits these presets via the dongle to the FC-1 controller. Correct?
3. Are all of the FC-1's midi transmitting capabilities (PCs CCS) editted and set up on the software and saved to the Triple Play - which are then transmitted to the FC-1? So, your not really editing anything on the FC-1 itself? Or are you?
4. How many CCs can be editted and set up per patch?
Thank you in advance for your time and any help. Best, George
Thanks for the comments George. I’ll try my best on some of these.
1. The TriplePlay is not great with multiple channels. It supports channels 1-6. You can run it in two modes, either a separate channel per string, or all 6 channels sending all strings. If have messed around with software on the PC to remap channels but as I only typically use one Hardware synth I haven’t done much of this.
2. The hardware presets are just config, so things like FTP behaviour, tuning, patch info to select the right patch on the hardware synth. These are downloaded into the FTP and display on the screen of the FC1. It’s very important to understand the FC1 and the FTP create no sound and hold no sound presets. Some people think the software synth sounds they setup in the FTP software can be downloaded, but they can’t. The only thing that is getting downloaded is the hardware setting for each hardware preset for use with an external synth. So you are correct.
3. You’re correct, setup on software, download to FTP and then transmitted to FC1.
4. I don’t think any CCs can be setup per patch, I think the FTP uses CCs to deliver FTP specific capabilities like pitch bend etc. You can setup some ccs in the FC1 for things like hold pedal.
I have a bit of video of the hardware setup in the FC1 software which I could share with you, I’ll send a different link. It might help.
Dave
Here’s a video I made for someone else who had questions around pitch bending. I think there is enough in here to help show how it works. On this occasion I have the FTP USB dongle plugged directly into the PC but you could ply it into the FC1 and then plug the FC1 into the PC via the supplied USB cable and get the same results. I just tried this video after uploading and it was very blurry but I think it’s the connection I am on. Let me know if the quality is too poor ua-cam.com/video/vE0rM7j1XDQ/v-deo.html
@@davidupton8100 You're the man! Many thanks for your insight and for taking the time - very generous of you. I'm sure I'll end up buying this combo because it's really the only effective system on the market for controlling hardware synths. I completely understand that there are no sounds on the FTP or FC-1; I did not quite understand where the preset info and commands lived, though - FTP vs. FC-1. I hope and wish I can use all 6 channels to control 6 different synths, although really, even if I can only control one synth, 240 presets is a humungous wealth of sounds. I can have a lot of fun with that. I only use my DAW for recording - I'm into hardware rather than VSTs, plug-ins and the like. I guess I could just use the dongle directly with a synth without using the FC-1, but then like you said, scrolling and naming/knowing your presets becomes more challenging. So, I guess the FC-1 is a worthwhile investment.
@@davidupton8100 Thanks! Interesting window into the editing process. I didn't see any midi channel select, so I suppose it's lust always on one channel.
@@GeordieMac yes on the screen at about 1 min 20, the midi mode, poly or mono will push out all strings on all 6 channels or a separate string on each channel.
Cordial greeting.
David ... What a great video! I have an electric guitar and a POD XT Live pro Guitar tone. I am looking for a team that connecting it to my POD XT Live can give me the versatility I need in the sense of converting the sound of my electric guitar to that of a classic acoustic guitar with great and realistic sound in real time (instantly ... just pressing a pedal or swich), not just for studio recording, but mainly during a live performance (for tracks that require instant guitar sound changes during your performance, such as from a classical acoustic guitar, to a distorted high gain ) and without losing the sounds that my current equipment (the POD XT Live) also offers me.
For the above I find your video very interesting, however, you can only see the Fishman TriplePlay Wireless MIDI Guitar product (installed on your guitar). In the title of the video you also mention the “TriplePlay Foot Controler”. I am analyzing if the product called "TriplePlay FC-1 Controller" is what I need to achieve the above. Since you do not see that equipment that you have outside the video image, please confirm the following ... (sorry if you have surely made it clear in the video, but I do not understand much English)
1. Is that "TriplePlay Foot Controler" mentioned in the video title exactly the same "TriplePlay FC-1 Controller"?
2. If the answer is yes… would the “TriplePlay FC-1 Controller” and the “TriplePlay Wireless MIDI Guitar” necessarily have to be purchased and used together to achieve what I am looking for? Or would it be enough just to connect the “TriplePlay FC-1 Controller” by USB to the POD? No computer involved?
3. Is the “MIDIPlus” necessary? What function does it have in the system? Couldn't the "TriplePlay FC-1 Controller" be connected directly to the POD XT live?
I thank you in advance for your kind comments and clarifications to answer any questions and know what equipment I must acquire to use it together with my POD. Regards.
Hi Juan
Thanks for your kind words.
What the TriplePlay does and how it works can be quite confusing. The TriplePlay uses a pickup to create midi messages to send to a midi synth module whether that be a software synth on a computer or a hardware synth like the MidiPlus. The synth is the item that then creates the sound.
The TriplePlay will not take a normal guitar feed and convert it. The normal guitar would continue to run in parallel.
With regards the TriplePlay FC1, this is a foot pedal that makes routing of midi messages and switching of patches easier when using the TriplePlay guitar pickup. Again this does not process or produce any sound.
With regards to what you are trying to achieve, you could buy the Fishman TriplePlay pickup and then connect this to a computer with a software synth on to create a classical guitar sound. This could then be output to the POD and you could switch between the guitar input and the synth input. My only word of caution is that a midi pickup relies on tracking and interpretation of the guitar so may not give you the perfect acoustic experience you are looking for.
If you want switching guitar simulation then a Variax guitar would allow you to instantly switch between electric guitar and steel string acoustic. For some reason they don't do nylon simpluations on the Variax electric, but do do it on the very old (2004) Variax 700 acoustic which has steel string and nylon simulations but not the electric.
So, if I were wanting do do all three (electric, nylon and steel string acoustic) I would use a mixture of the variax and the fishman TriplePlay, with the TP using a very good nylon midi synth sound. That does all get a bit expensive though.
I hope this helps.
And to re-confirm, the FC-1 alone will not do what you want it to.
Hi David ... thank you very much. From my accounts, I understand that the MidiPlus easily replaces the function of the computer and the software that creates the sound. You would therefore need the TriplePlay Wireless MIDI Guitar (which converts the acoustic signals of each string into MIDI messages), the MIDIPlus (which creates the sound for the received MIDI signals) and the TriplePlay FC-1 Controller (with which you select the MIDI sounds easily as a floor control) to achieve what you want without requiring a computer. I do not understand why they will not integrate the MIDIPlus with the TriplePlay FC-1 controller in a single device as a more simplified alternative option, or even, instead of directly converting the acoustic signals, requiring that hardware conditioned to the guitar, avoid all that and convert to MIDI the same electrical signals coming from the guitar pickups (audio signals as they are called) as some plugins do, and they process all of this on a single controller with the floor or console function. In short, they are technical subjects that they know better.
I have had a good idea of what the TriplePlay Wireless MIDI Guitar does, but now I understand the specific function of that little device called MidiPlus and that of the TriplePlay FC-1 Controller thanks to your kind and clear explanation. Connected to my POD, then allow me to switch (interrupt or allow) the pitch of the signal from the normal guitar pickups, with the pitch of the MIDI pickup signal to switch between a sound processed by the POD and a processed sound by the MIDI system. I imagine that for this they may have to do of course a double action ... flip a switch on the TriplePlay FC-1 to interrupt or allow the passage of the MIDI signal, as appropriate, and instantly select the sound on the POD that I require. Although relatively easy, it doesn't seem very practical especially if I need to make that change in a fraction of a second during a live performance.
David, I am very grateful for your kind attention and explanation. I think that, apart from the other option you mention with a variax guitar, it is the best option available without incurring the purchase of more guitars, and I still find it quite attractive. I will surely consult system prices and get to it, unless I find something even more practical and advanced for this purpose with professional level results. Regards
Juan Carlos Patiño Velásquez no problem, glad to help. If it’s any help, I feed my hardware synth output into my Helix effects return left and right and then block or use this depending on the pedal settings, this enables me to switch in an instant. Also, you can run your guitar signal chain through the FC-1 and then use the metal lever on the TP on the guitar to instantly switch between guitar only, midi only or both. Either option work.
Sure, very good to know. Thanks David. A hug.
Juan Carlos Patiño Velásquez I managed to get my setup to do instant switching between a great Nylon guitar, a steel string guitar and an electric instantly from my Helix using the TriplePlay. See what you think ua-cam.com/video/0UqCfAHlFH0/v-deo.html
Latency good ??
All I see is the patch number changing on the Midi Plus. Is it just to convert USB to midi? What am I missing? That thing is over 200.00 US!
NickyT The MidiPlus is a midi sound module, it creates the sound. It has 128 General Midi sounds in it. It receives the midi messages from the FC1 which has no sounds. It’s the FC1 that is the expensive thing that does very little. I made a new video today that shows this in more detail and how to miss out the FC1. Also the Midi plus is here midiplus miniEngine USB MIDI Sound Module www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00VHKM190/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_eetzEbW8PYREF
@@davidupton8100 Thanks. I'll check that out.
The FC-1 user guide is cryptic at best. How do you name patches?
Name then in the FTP software. You create hardware patches (it runs in a separate list to the software ones) and name them.
@@davidupton8100 Thanks. Is there a way to change the midi transmit channel in Poly Mode, or is that fixed?
@@tonydrake821 no it either transmits all strings on 1-6 or a sting per channel. For example you can’t switch it to channel 10 and drive percussion, you have to do that by some fiddly mapping in your DAW
@@davidupton8100 Thanks. That really limits its functionality as far as controlling a multi-timbral synth. FC-1 is a nice idea, but the implementation isn't quite there. Thanks for your time.
@@tonydrake821 Mine works great with the Waldorf Blofeld synth module in multi-timbral mode!
The latency on a Variax i so bad you can even see it on the video! I tried one in a shop. Even the salesman had to agree it's crap! But thanks for the video :)
So much technology and little music
The vid is _about technology_ for people who already _know_ how to make music.