For an Absolute Green Arrow you could probably start with him not being rich but they already did that with Absolute Batman. The only other things I could think of for Green Arrow would be instead of being stuck on an island trying to survive, that it's changed to where he is stuck in a horrible prison....doing whatever he has to survive. I'm not really sure how to throw a bow & arrow in there though.
@@eldoug1589 have it where he grew up on a deserted island with his parents (who die on said island) before he escapes, and then finding his fortune back in civilisation. He'd be a self made millionaire with an absolutely primal perspective on life, but the brutality of his worldview wont effect his basic human empathy
And he would wield both cooked and uncook spaghetti as weapons. Uncooked for throwing like spears and cooked as a whip or lasso. The lasso could also work as a sort of spaghetti-lasso of culinary truth, revealing enemies' least favorite dish which Green Spaghetti could then use against them. I got way toi into this, i'm sorry
An Absolute Green Arrow that is just a bored rich dude literally pretending to be Batman for fun would be a funny way to poke fun at Olivers origins as barely disguised Batman clone, maybe he begins staging some of his early encounters and chooses to be an archer cuz he was in some snooty archery club once, but later he as to really fight actual villains and gets his ass kick and since he probably doesn’t even hides well his identity needs to start getting serious.
@@MrSmile078 lmfao i know 😭😭 but i just find that part in which GA tryna be a hero for the vibes only to realise that it’s WAY more than that is so similar to booster.
Give me an Absolute John Constantine as a side character in the Batman or Wonder Woman books who has more hope for the future than our John, but still decides to make the tough call every time. Show that his commitment is the important part, not his cynicism
So it’s kind of an inverse of the other characters, where John Instead has a better life and is more hopeful but still has to make the tough calls because he’s so committed to that hopeful ideal?
I think another really fun character that you could do the “things are actually better for them in the absolute universe” idea for is Booster Gold. Have shit work out for him in the future, leverage his football career into fame and fortune, nothing like the podunk Time Machine stealing janitor we know. But when he sees that the people of the 25th century still have more adoration for some doofuses in a cape that died hundreds of years ago, the insecurity at the core of his character bubbles to the surface and he goes back in time to prove that he’s better than Batman, Superman, and whoever that goofball with the stupid bug spaceship was
Or you could make Michael's sister be Booster Gold or Goldstar and leave Michael in the future. Sure he has everything he ever wanted but none of the character change that came with going to the past. Michael is now a heartless egotistical jerk, with no regard for his family or anyone else at all. And since mainstream Booster Gold is stuck in the Absolute Universe he could run into this billionaire morally bankrupt version of himself and see how far he has gone and how far he could've fallen.
Then Michelle becomes Gold Star not to gain fortune but because since Michael is a success she is forgotten by everyone and goes into the past to become a superhero. That way she can get the attention and love she lost and show it off to Absolute Michael only for her to realize Michael, due to his arrogance, simply forgot about her.
@@chrisdaily2077 eh kinda doesn't work cause how the hell do you forget your sister? You'd have to completely change Booster for that to work like he originally did everything for his mother to family is important to him.
@@l0sts0ul89 I don't think that was the case for Booster in his first appearance in the 80s. I think (if my memory serves me right) he was just doing it for the money. Of course origins fluctuate like crazy in DC so I don't doubt I'm wrong. Still any radical character change you could just blame on Darkseid's influence.
@@chrisdaily2077 Or maybe Michelle becomes Gold Star, a superhero, to work against her brother... maybe Michael gets too greedy and is willing to break MORE laws to get what he wants... not an original story, but could be interesting if they threw in original Booster as well working with her
Yes but the scarab is arguably even more fundamental, his almost antagonistic relationship with it is a defining feature, so what happens when he's without it and has to rely more on Ted Kord gadgetry and ingenuity?
Granted I read as a kid like 10 years ago, but the New 52 run had his family? I don't remember them at all. And after he killed his friend he fled into space
@@ProjektTaku true but I feel like what draws me to blue beetle is his powers in the first place, but what makes me stay is his heart of gold, so I feel like it would be interesting to see this kid who has it so rough his whole life make the choice to protect his community or go rouge with this power and destroy the world that wronged him
@@ProjektTaku Maybe the Blue Beetle armour is man-made or government tech or a terrorist weapon that ended up stolen and got into the hands of Jaime and he ends up a fugitive from those that want the armour for their selfish needs?
Absolute Martian Manhunter, it’s about J’onn and his people never got destroyed and he’s actually come to Earth to colonize it with his family and the white martians, instead of getting accidentally teleported
love the fusion of black canary and onomatopoiea, since they fuse two sides of oliver's superhero life. a hero and a villain, obviously, both sound based, one powered, one unpowered, both connected to oliver through love, with dina and ollie's relationship, and ono's love for the hunt
Dude, screw you for getting me sold on a pitch that will absolutely not happen. And secondly, for making me even more invested in Green Arrow as a casual
I like your idea for his dynamic with Roy. While Ollie teaches Roy archery and the physical parts of being a hero, Roy teaches Ollie the morality and the purpose that a hero needs
Absolute SHAZAM! where billy is either an adult when he gets his powers, or wasnt an orphan, or both would make a really fun story. As long as his logo isnt a brick
I was thinking about an absolute Vixen comic in which her ancestor created a major kingdom, and her parents never died of betrayal and poachers. She becomes queen with the support of her uncle because the totem chooses her. It would make a nation with a focus on magic. She would have to deal with politics, poachers, etc. A vixen, who uses her beauty like a weapon, the story would expand the myths of Africa, ancient weapons and tools forgotten in ruins, as various powers go looking for hidden treasures of bygone eras.
I love this! It’s a shame that the big two don’t do a lot more to push their black characters. I didn’t know about heroes like vixen and static shock as a kid.
It's been almost a decade (I believe) but I still remember Torchwoodboy reaction to that moment in Arrow "Why the fuck do you kill Black Canary in a show about Green Arrow?"
Absolute Green Arrow, except he's not stranded at Sea and Ollie never changed his personality. So he's a jackass who's playing Hero because he likes the attention
This is the one. Green Arrows whole thing is taking care of the little guy and fighting the system so an Oliver who didn't learn that lesson and is still an arrogant playboy would be dope to see
I love this idea, and now it’s got me thinking about how it would handle Roy’s drug addiction. Maybe in this continuity, Roy is already clean, but Oliver, being a spoiled party bro, occasionally uses drugs recreationally. But then one day something happens that makes Oliver use more frequently, becoming fully addicted. Maybe if fight gets the Superville and goes wrong and Oliver starts taking more pain medication than necessary? Or maybe he’s left traumatized by witnessing the violence inflicted on innocent people by the villain? Regardless, it would be really interesting to see a complete reverse of how the original storyline went down, with Roy, having prior experience with his own history of drug addiction, helping Oliver get clean, as opposed to the comics where Oliver just punches Roy. It would be a huge turning point in their relationship, where this version of Oliver would stop seeing Roy as just another accessory to his crime fighting hobby, and start seeing him more as an equal partner.
I think an Absolute John Constantine would be really interesting. Take away all the bad things that happen to him as a consequence of using magic. He'd be a much less sympathetic character if he kept the same personality but I think it would be really intriguing
14:52 I’m so excited for this run, it’s giving me Mike Grell energy with Ollie tracking down a serial killer that develops into him finding a conspiracy by a big evil company to destroy the planet for profit, I think it could be the best book of all-in !
I'm thinking that we can just "reverse" the origin of Green Arrow. Oliver is lost in the island, not as a adult, as a baby. He was raiced for a anciant art martial master, so he can fight, hunt and survive. After his mentor die, he grow almost to a adult when is found by the Queens. Going to the civilizations for first time, see the corruption of the world on Star City and decided to fight for the people with his resorces, agains his family.
Monkey man green arrow who is absolutely massive and uses a some kinda dragon bone bow with an insane draw weight. The bow is not magical or anything its just insanely impractical that only oliver can draw it. Kinda like gut's sword. Its time to dispel the bow and arrow as a dexterity weapon.
my absolute universe hot take is that when they introduce robin, it should be stephanie brown. obviously i'm biased but i also think steph is the robin most defined by trying to live up to the legacy of robin, of wanting to be part of the legend, so taking away the lineage of robin would make it harder for her to feel like she belongs or know what she's about. also, she'd challenge bruce and fit in with this version of him more, a reckless and sometimes self-destructive girl from a bad home life who is effectively the same as him, thus making the connection very natural. this would also be a prime opportunity for DC to finally rectify the crime of how dirty they did Steph as robin way back in war drums
an absolute swamp thing would be cool to see instead of working on a biorestorative formula Alec Holland isnt a scientist but a real estate mogul who dies in a swamp after trying to tear it down for luxury housing. he still becomes this swamp monster and the series can explore questions like does man have dominion over nature rather than Alan Moore's more existential humanity and what it means to be human.
Great video as always. I love what you said about the Absolute universe. How even if these characters have something taken away they’re still who they are. That’s powerful stuff
Written and re-written many long comments but I just want to say this: This video, and this channel, brings a joy to talking about comics that I have long missed. Thank you
Yo, I love this pitch idea, I especially love the idea of Ollie never getting stranded on the island and your twist of Onomatapia Black Canary of the Absolute Universe, which is such a cool idea they could explore by taking inspiration from Onomatapia in Superman and Lois tv series.
The absolutes do sound like every reality in a TV show where the hero gets sent to a world where they were never the hero but they find a reason to become the hero they always were (I do enjoy this story type tbf so should enjoy the absolute line). Plus just let great writers write great things
Great pitch! Also it is such a relief to know that absolute superman isn't going to be all dark or evil. He's kinda like if he swapped roles with supergirl or martian manhunter
Great video! I appreciated the explanation of the Absolute concept. Half of the comics you linked say they’re sold out, and honestly that’s a good problem to have-people are interested in Green Arrow comics.
I like this idea of an "absolute" DC universe. And I personally would really like to see a redesigned Aquaman, the Titans and the League in general. It would also be interesting to see a new story about Nightwing or Supergirl. Although I have cooled down a bit to this kind of "other" stories, I still have some interest in this project. Anyway, I'm still waiting for the announcement of the Green Arrow movie from James Gunn or the announcement of the game about the Emerald Archer))
(If I had the opportunity to release one series within the ABSOLUTE line, it would be ABSOLUTE Doom Patrol. I love Morrison, Way & Pollack runs, but this group deserves body-horror story. You have in team negative energy pretend to be a human, brain in metal armor, woman who is dissolvable gum. Or, you know, Jane with multiple personalities. Doom Patrol has always been a story about being sick and finding acceptance for your flaws, and you can explore this much, much deeper. For example, by turning up the heat on their illness to the maximum. It would no longer be a story about a team fighting abstract threats (because they wouldn't be able to fight anything), but it would be interesting to see that even in a rubber stain spilled on the floor with a woman's voice there could be something inspiring.)
Always really glad you give comic recommendations, a few days after I watched this I found three of them at half price books for cheap. Really enjoyed year one and started quiver.
I think it would be interesting for an Oliver that acts like Booster Gold. Where the world knows who he is, he was never on the island, and he makes his fortune from brand deals or sponsorships. Then, he eventually becomes more serious and takes his role seriously.
I think a good Absolute Booster Gold story would be this: Rather than being some jerk from the future who stole time travel equipment to be a hero in the past, Booster tries to go back in time to save his mother who died of cancer, after a cure was made. However, due to complications, he ended up stranded in the modern era being chased down by Timecops, forcing him to scrap the time machine to build his super suit, and fight them off, eventually using his powers to be a hero.
This pitch basically gives the green arrow version of Omniman, he's pretending to be someone much better than he actually is and during that time he starts realizing that the role he's playing has rubbed off on him
O'Neil and Adams did for Green Arrow what Lee and Kirby did for Captain America. Both were great concepts but 1 dimensional characters turned into timeless archetypes. Using modern characterization to take the classic essence of each so that can remain relevant during any era from now until the future.
Would Absolute Supergirl have her being the one sent to Earth as a baby instead of Kal? That would make for an interesting dynamic. What made her different to Superman was that she grew up on Krypton. But if she didn't have those experiences, then who is she?
Think it'd be cool to have Matrix/Linda Danvers as the Absolute Supergirl, modeled after Kara. Maybe an experimental Kryptonian Protoplasmic AI that was smuggled off of Krypton. Could open up multiple Kryptonians as characters in Absolute Superman as well.
This pitch gives me so much Question energy it's crazy. - I love it. I guess it's no surprise since that iconic run was _also_ written by O'Neil. I love stories where jerkwads become superheroes for all the wrong reasons but slowly change and expand their worldviews after being exposed to the people they protect. Spider-Man 2099 by Peter David's another great example.
I wasn't going to read the absolute books because I thought there were just gritty takes on the characters, I never a saw full explanation and it didn't seem interesting until I heard you talk about it. I'm more interested now
My idea for Absolute Green Arrow was to have Roy be the titular character but not having any connection to Oliver in the slightest, main reason was so that in the future we could have a role reversal of sorts as Oliver Queen becomes the Red Arrow, for the fun of it and a genuine interest in what Roy is doing so we can have a this adult billionaire taking lessons on how to be a hero from a street deliquent turned teenage vigilant.
Genuinely DC is really good at marketing comics to a wider audience. Their movie trailers end with comic recommendations, they have bundles based on movies, they FILL the cheap comic section at Ollie's with some genuinely cool titles, and their new "compact comics" line sells thick and short books for only $9.99! Finally comics I can easily take out on my lunch break!
In my opinion: I think the perfect villain for absolute Green Arrow is Clock King. In my opinion he was one of my least favorite Green Arrow villains on the basis that he’s counter-productive to the point of Green Arrow. Oliver Queen is supposed to be a champion of the oppressed but when it comes to Clock King and his origin, Green Arrow is positioned as the oppressor.
I like the idea that when Oliver is at the start of his arc he looks more like his new 52 self where he’s clean shaven and his development physically shows with him growing out the goatee we all know and love
I wanna see Absolute Blue Beetle where the scarab dosent have a mind it’s completely just a suite nothing else inside cause I wanna see how Heyme handles all of this power without something in his head that either dosent understand the world and try to hurt it or just teaches him how to use it. I think a free willed Beetle armor would just be interesting
The gasp I made when you said Absolutely Green Lantern is written by Al Ewing AND centres on Jo!!! 😮😮😮 I'm absolutely (🤭) subscribing to that!!! I freaking love Far Sector and am so happy Jo, even from a different universe, is finally back in the spotlight, getting the attention she deserves 😤
Probably wouldn't be as huge of a priority, but Absolute Question I think would be incredible if they approach him from the Dennis O'Neil angle and maybe have him start from the original Steve Ditko concept and grow into the more zen-Buddhist interpretation we get later. Obviously I'd say Renee Montoya would be my go to, but I think maybe the concept would work better with Sage if we go with the proposed angle. Also, Absolute Batwoman I think would kick ass
I honestly wanna see what this guy can do with a pre-write DCU Green Arrow film. Also maybe do villains that have a personal history with Oliver Queen.
Martian Manhunter is temporally displaced, but from a time where Martian civilization was stable and thriving. He was just an average Joe. Or, rather, an average J'oeh. And now he's a hundred million years into the future, in a planet where things BURN, Mars has no vestiges of past life, and he doesn't know what happened. He'll be more than a little pissed off at those creatures who took everything away from him just for a science experiment.
where's the green arrow prewrite
I DONT KNOW WHY ARE YOU ASKING ME😭😭😭😭😭😭
green arrow fn
I DON'T KNOW VRO, BUT YOU NEED TO GET ON IT!!!
Troyo I love u but if u dont put that out in the next 3 days imma put mine out before you
Now I’m not saying I WOULD kill a man for that video
But I’m also not saying that I WOULDN’T
Absolute Green Arrow where his lions were mauled by parents and he was stuck in civilisation for 5 years before he went back to the island 😢.
For an Absolute Green Arrow you could probably start with him not being rich but they already did that with Absolute Batman. The only other things I could think of for Green Arrow would be instead of being stuck on an island trying to survive, that it's changed to where he is stuck in a horrible prison....doing whatever he has to survive. I'm not really sure how to throw a bow & arrow in there though.
PEAK, ABSOLUTE CINEMA
No bow he's now the green shank
@@eldoug1589 have it where he grew up on a deserted island with his parents (who die on said island) before he escapes, and then finding his fortune back in civilisation. He'd be a self made millionaire with an absolutely primal perspective on life, but the brutality of his worldview wont effect his basic human empathy
what if the arrows were spaghetti and he had like a chef gimmick
Green Chef?
@@jazelwaseem5046. Spagetthi whips and bow tie shruikens
And he would wield both cooked and uncook spaghetti as weapons. Uncooked for throwing like spears and cooked as a whip or lasso. The lasso could also work as a sort of spaghetti-lasso of culinary truth, revealing enemies' least favorite dish which Green Spaghetti could then use against them.
I got way toi into this, i'm sorry
what if he was like really depressed and opened a restaurant
@@troyoboyo17depressi spaghetti
"Yes father, I shall become a brick." - Bruce Wayne, after waking up on hospital bed following a construction accident.
Spider man vs the wall
An Absolute Green Arrow that is just a bored rich dude literally pretending to be Batman for fun would be a funny way to poke fun at Olivers origins as barely disguised Batman clone, maybe he begins staging some of his early encounters and chooses to be an archer cuz he was in some snooty archery club once, but later he as to really fight actual villains and gets his ass kick and since he probably doesn’t even hides well his identity needs to start getting serious.
@@MrSmile078 a little serious I don't like when green arrow is like batman serious like how arrow did it
isn’t that booster gold?
@@rumateez Booster was a jock that peaked in highshool type of guy, him imagining Absolute GA to be more of a trust fund baby rich asshole kinda guy.
@@Thatoneblackguyy23serious about crime fighting an social issues not character wise.
@@MrSmile078 lmfao i know 😭😭 but i just find that part in which GA tryna be a hero for the vibes only to realise that it’s WAY more than that is so similar to booster.
I feel like to hammer home the irony of him not being on the Queens Gambit he should be on an island resort when looking at the broadcast.
Give me an Absolute John Constantine as a side character in the Batman or Wonder Woman books who has more hope for the future than our John, but still decides to make the tough call every time. Show that his commitment is the important part, not his cynicism
Gimme!
So it’s kind of an inverse of the other characters, where John Instead has a better life and is more hopeful but still has to make the tough calls because he’s so committed to that hopeful ideal?
John prolly just never got his haxs and has to start in hell
Absolute Condiment King. No ketchup or mustard. Has to use relish and mayo.
Oh god the mayo will look bad outa context
He has a saurkraut sword
Remove the Bow. Hes now Absolute Green
This shit too funny for no reason
I don’t know why it’s funny, but I like it
R/BatmanArkham
This is so unfunny that it circles back to funny
Instead of a Batman clone, would he be a Superman clone?
Onomatopoeia black canary made me drop my phone, throw my hands into the air, and scream that I’m hearing you out
Same here brother 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥
My jaw literally dropped, it was such a good idea
Lyre bird noises
Clatter clatter. Shout.
I think another really fun character that you could do the “things are actually better for them in the absolute universe” idea for is Booster Gold. Have shit work out for him in the future, leverage his football career into fame and fortune, nothing like the podunk Time Machine stealing janitor we know. But when he sees that the people of the 25th century still have more adoration for some doofuses in a cape that died hundreds of years ago, the insecurity at the core of his character bubbles to the surface and he goes back in time to prove that he’s better than Batman, Superman, and whoever that goofball with the stupid bug spaceship was
Or you could make Michael's sister be Booster Gold or Goldstar and leave Michael in the future. Sure he has everything he ever wanted but none of the character change that came with going to the past. Michael is now a heartless egotistical jerk, with no regard for his family or anyone else at all. And since mainstream Booster Gold is stuck in the Absolute Universe he could run into this billionaire morally bankrupt version of himself and see how far he has gone and how far he could've fallen.
Then Michelle becomes Gold Star not to gain fortune but because since Michael is a success she is forgotten by everyone and goes into the past to become a superhero. That way she can get the attention and love she lost and show it off to Absolute Michael only for her to realize Michael, due to his arrogance, simply forgot about her.
@@chrisdaily2077 eh kinda doesn't work cause how the hell do you forget your sister? You'd have to completely change Booster for that to work like he originally did everything for his mother to family is important to him.
@@l0sts0ul89 I don't think that was the case for Booster in his first appearance in the 80s. I think (if my memory serves me right) he was just doing it for the money. Of course origins fluctuate like crazy in DC so I don't doubt I'm wrong. Still any radical character change you could just blame on Darkseid's influence.
@@chrisdaily2077 Or maybe Michelle becomes Gold Star, a superhero, to work against her brother... maybe Michael gets too greedy and is willing to break MORE laws to get what he wants... not an original story, but could be interesting if they threw in original Booster as well working with her
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If this was the YT early days, I could legit see that being his username
5:22 it should be blue beetle without his family, as that is a core part of his character.
Yes but the scarab is arguably even more fundamental, his almost antagonistic relationship with it is a defining feature, so what happens when he's without it and has to rely more on Ted Kord gadgetry and ingenuity?
Granted I read as a kid like 10 years ago, but the New 52 run had his family? I don't remember them at all. And after he killed his friend he fled into space
@@ProjektTaku true but I feel like what draws me to blue beetle is his powers in the first place, but what makes me stay is his heart of gold, so I feel like it would be interesting to see this kid who has it so rough his whole life make the choice to protect his community or go rouge with this power and destroy the world that wronged him
@@lucasvalle4841 I’m not sure I haven’t read through it all, but it is my favourite run of his
@@ProjektTaku Maybe the Blue Beetle armour is man-made or government tech or a terrorist weapon that ended up stolen and got into the hands of Jaime and he ends up a fugitive from those that want the armour for their selfish needs?
I think to create the true absolute Green Arrow they need to take away his most defining feature; green.
Make him yellow or something I don’t know.
Nah, he is now Green Swordsman.
@@rexcelsior5415 im pretty sure CW already did that! they even removed "green" from his name!
@@ThatSmolivGalah shit you’re right, ok we’ll give him a gun then.
Take away Batman's bat, Superman's S, Wonder Woman's tiara... That's what'll shock people.
@@cheesydawg371 take away batman's bat? But, that just leaves you with.....m.....MAN (sorry if your too sane to understand this)
“Blue Beetle without the scarab” Troy that’s Ted Kord lol
Absolute Martian Manhunter, it’s about J’onn and his people never got destroyed and he’s actually come to Earth to colonize it with his family and the white martians, instead of getting accidentally teleported
love the fusion of black canary and onomatopoiea, since they fuse two sides of oliver's superhero life. a hero and a villain, obviously, both sound based, one powered, one unpowered, both connected to oliver through love, with dina and ollie's relationship, and ono's love for the hunt
Dude, screw you for getting me sold on a pitch that will absolutely not happen. And secondly, for making me even more invested in Green Arrow as a casual
I like your idea for his dynamic with Roy. While Ollie teaches Roy archery and the physical parts of being a hero, Roy teaches Ollie the morality and the purpose that a hero needs
NGL, I really like the idea of a deaf/mute Zatanna.
Stuff Troy hates:
1. Arrow
2. The MCU Iron Spider
3. John Byrne’s Superman run
4. RDJ Doctor Doom
if we get absolute green arrow, we can have 3 POINTS over batman!
my pitch: everyone subscribes to Troyoboyo17 and leaves a like on this video
Hm that could work but there are a few glaring plot holes in your story. Most importantly you forgot to mention subscribing to OwenLikesComics first
@@troyoboyo17 now kith
@@OwenLikesComics you and Troy need to make a video together at some point. Just talking about comic books.
Absolute SHAZAM! where billy is either an adult when he gets his powers, or wasnt an orphan, or both would make a really fun story. As long as his logo isnt a brick
I was thinking about an absolute Vixen comic in which her ancestor created a major kingdom, and her parents never died of betrayal and poachers. She becomes queen with the support of her uncle because the totem chooses her. It would make a nation with a focus on magic.
She would have to deal with politics, poachers, etc. A vixen, who uses her beauty like a weapon, the story would expand the myths of Africa, ancient weapons and tools forgotten in ruins, as various powers go looking for hidden treasures of bygone eras.
I love this! It’s a shame that the big two don’t do a lot more to push their black characters. I didn’t know about heroes like vixen and static shock as a kid.
It's been almost a decade (I believe) but I still remember Torchwoodboy reaction to that moment in Arrow
"Why the fuck do you kill Black Canary in a show about Green Arrow?"
I was legit about to write a comment asking for Green Arrow comic recommendations when 14:01 happened. Now I got some comics to check out.
Check out the Barr mini series from the 80s as well. Highly disregarded and it's great
A Green Arrow story with Black Canary as a villain, and at the heart of the story is Sam Wilson's line "I believe we can do better". *Hell Yeah!*
Absolute Green Arrow, except he's not stranded at Sea and Ollie never changed his personality. So he's a jackass who's playing Hero because he likes the attention
This is the one. Green Arrows whole thing is taking care of the little guy and fighting the system so an Oliver who didn't learn that lesson and is still an arrogant playboy would be dope to see
And then having him lose everything@@himum3429
So Iron Man with a bow?
5:22 "You can have blue beetle without the scarab"yeah they did that already, his name is Ted Kord
I got to read Absolute Batman and wonder woman early because I work at a comic shop and their were spectacular.
Hey, do you know when it's coming out ?
Making Black Canary be Onomatopoeia is a freakin genius idea
Not being on the boat and everything about your take on Onomatopoeia have me sold
Absolute Wonder Woman has me sold. Magic and Giant Swords, set in Hell??? Sign me up now.
I love this idea, and now it’s got me thinking about how it would handle Roy’s drug addiction.
Maybe in this continuity, Roy is already clean, but Oliver, being a spoiled party bro, occasionally uses drugs recreationally.
But then one day something happens that makes Oliver use more frequently, becoming fully addicted.
Maybe if fight gets the Superville and goes wrong and Oliver starts taking more pain medication than necessary? Or maybe he’s left traumatized by witnessing the violence inflicted on innocent people by the villain?
Regardless, it would be really interesting to see a complete reverse of how the original storyline went down, with Roy, having prior experience with his own history of drug addiction, helping Oliver get clean, as opposed to the comics where Oliver just punches Roy.
It would be a huge turning point in their relationship, where this version of Oliver would stop seeing Roy as just another accessory to his crime fighting hobby, and start seeing him more as an equal partner.
I think an Absolute John Constantine would be really interesting. Take away all the bad things that happen to him as a consequence of using magic. He'd be a much less sympathetic character if he kept the same personality but I think it would be really intriguing
12:36 not to make dad jokes but “arrow-plane” is actually really funny
Ollie becoming the green arrow for "fun" was absolute genius
5:22 Ok I Love That Idea Of A Mute Zatanna
14:52 I’m so excited for this run, it’s giving me Mike Grell energy with Ollie tracking down a serial killer that develops into him finding a conspiracy by a big evil company to destroy the planet for profit, I think it could be the best book of all-in !
Yeah Jack Kirby was literally built different. It's crazy how much he did.
We green arrow fans will slowly eek our leader over bats... Some day lol
YEAH! GREEN ARROW BABY!!!!!!!!
I'm thinking that we can just "reverse" the origin of Green Arrow. Oliver is lost in the island, not as a adult, as a baby. He was raiced for a anciant art martial master, so he can fight, hunt and survive. After his mentor die, he grow almost to a adult when is found by the Queens. Going to the civilizations for first time, see the corruption of the world on Star City and decided to fight for the people with his resorces, agains his family.
Monkey man green arrow
who is absolutely massive and uses a some kinda dragon bone bow with an insane draw weight.
The bow is not magical or anything its just insanely impractical that only oliver can draw it.
Kinda like gut's sword.
Its time to dispel the bow and arrow as a dexterity weapon.
Martial master? Isn't that eminems name?
my absolute universe hot take is that when they introduce robin, it should be stephanie brown. obviously i'm biased but i also think steph is the robin most defined by trying to live up to the legacy of robin, of wanting to be part of the legend, so taking away the lineage of robin would make it harder for her to feel like she belongs or know what she's about. also, she'd challenge bruce and fit in with this version of him more, a reckless and sometimes self-destructive girl from a bad home life who is effectively the same as him, thus making the connection very natural. this would also be a prime opportunity for DC to finally rectify the crime of how dirty they did Steph as robin way back in war drums
I like the bold choice of making black canary a rival turned ally
8:00 Reminds me of how The Amazing Spiderman decided to let Peter become a true Spiderman step by step, instead of right after Ben's death
an absolute swamp thing would be cool to see instead of working on a biorestorative formula Alec Holland isnt a scientist but a real estate mogul who dies in a swamp after trying to tear it down for luxury housing. he still becomes this swamp monster and the series can explore questions like does man have dominion over nature rather than Alan Moore's more existential humanity and what it means to be human.
the fact absolute batman's logo turns into a battle axe automatically validates the design
The absolute comic series reminds me of what Batman said in the flash of how your past doesn't decitate who you are as a person
Great video as always. I love what you said about the Absolute universe. How even if these characters have something taken away they’re still who they are. That’s powerful stuff
Written and re-written many long comments but I just want to say this: This video, and this channel, brings a joy to talking about comics that I have long missed. Thank you
I NEED a Red Hood prewrite and that Green Arrow movie prewrite EXPEDITIOUSLY
Yo, I love this pitch idea, I especially love the idea of Ollie never getting stranded on the island and your twist of Onomatapia Black Canary of the Absolute Universe, which is such a cool idea they could explore by taking inspiration from Onomatapia in Superman and Lois tv series.
Ha! I was listening to the intro, and my exact thought was "if I did absolute green arrow, I would take away the island." Great minds and all that
The absolutes do sound like every reality in a TV show where the hero gets sent to a world where they were never the hero but they find a reason to become the hero they always were (I do enjoy this story type tbf so should enjoy the absolute line). Plus just let great writers write great things
Great pitch! Also it is such a relief to know that absolute superman isn't going to be all dark or evil. He's kinda like if he swapped roles with supergirl or martian manhunter
I was kinda “meh” on this whole concept until your genuine excitement made me want to check it out
The real Absolute Green Arrow change would be “what if green arrow’s favourite colour was orange?
Im not if can or not but i think commisinng an artist to draw an absolute green arrow could help give an example of what the character would seem like
At this point, I feel like Troy is going to physically implode if there are no new plans for Green Arrow announced in the next 3-5 years.
When I’m in a green arrow fanboy contest and my opponent is troyoboyo.
Thank you for mentioning Quiver, but I also wanna say Archer's Quest is even better. Potentially the best Green Arrow story of all time
I’m so excited for the absolute universe, I can’t wait till they realese! Is any one else happy that Troys making more video’s lately?
Had no idea about the absolute comics even existing but I’m immediately intrigued I love the concept
Am i the only one hyped for Absolute Aquaman? I would love to see your Green Lantern movie pitch.
Great video! I appreciated the explanation of the Absolute concept. Half of the comics you linked say they’re sold out, and honestly that’s a good problem to have-people are interested in Green Arrow comics.
Green Arrow but he doesn't use a bow he just throws his Chilli into his enemies' eyes
I love that of all the images to put in the background, he chose the Grant Gustin meme
I like this idea of an "absolute" DC universe. And I personally would really like to see a redesigned Aquaman, the Titans and the League in general. It would also be interesting to see a new story about Nightwing or Supergirl. Although I have cooled down a bit to this kind of "other" stories, I still have some interest in this project. Anyway, I'm still waiting for the announcement of the Green Arrow movie from James Gunn or the announcement of the game about the Emerald Archer))
(If I had the opportunity to release one series within the ABSOLUTE line, it would be ABSOLUTE Doom Patrol. I love Morrison, Way & Pollack runs, but this group deserves body-horror story. You have in team negative energy pretend to be a human, brain in metal armor, woman who is dissolvable gum. Or, you know, Jane with multiple personalities. Doom Patrol has always been a story about being sick and finding acceptance for your flaws, and you can explore this much, much deeper. For example, by turning up the heat on their illness to the maximum. It would no longer be a story about a team fighting abstract threats (because they wouldn't be able to fight anything), but it would be interesting to see that even in a rubber stain spilled on the floor with a woman's voice there could be something inspiring.)
Dude I love your videos so much. They're so cosy. They feel like a warm hug
Always really glad you give comic recommendations, a few days after I watched this I found three of them at half price books for cheap. Really enjoyed year one and started quiver.
3:45 I can't be the only one that's getting "Berserk" vibes from this new Wonder Woman..
honestly, I would LOVE your take on absolute versions of other characters. another certified banger, mr boyo
I think it would be interesting for an Oliver that acts like Booster Gold. Where the world knows who he is, he was never on the island, and he makes his fortune from brand deals or sponsorships. Then, he eventually becomes more serious and takes his role seriously.
Absolutely fantastic pitch and appreciate the recs! Really need to read that mike grell run
This doesn’t count as the green arrow prewrite
I really wish that comics were easier to access where I live because I’d love to read some of these runs
I think a good Absolute Booster Gold story would be this: Rather than being some jerk from the future who stole time travel equipment to be a hero in the past, Booster tries to go back in time to save his mother who died of cancer, after a cure was made. However, due to complications, he ended up stranded in the modern era being chased down by Timecops, forcing him to scrap the time machine to build his super suit, and fight them off, eventually using his powers to be a hero.
This pitch basically gives the green arrow version of Omniman, he's pretending to be someone much better than he actually is and during that time he starts realizing that the role he's playing has rubbed off on him
O'Neil and Adams did for Green Arrow what Lee and Kirby did for Captain America. Both were great concepts but 1 dimensional characters turned into timeless archetypes. Using modern characterization to take the classic essence of each so that can remain relevant during any era from now until the future.
Would Absolute Supergirl have her being the one sent to Earth as a baby instead of Kal? That would make for an interesting dynamic. What made her different to Superman was that she grew up on Krypton. But if she didn't have those experiences, then who is she?
Make her star lord
Think it'd be cool to have Matrix/Linda Danvers as the Absolute Supergirl, modeled after Kara. Maybe an experimental Kryptonian Protoplasmic AI that was smuggled off of Krypton. Could open up multiple Kryptonians as characters in Absolute Superman as well.
This pitch gives me so much Question energy it's crazy. - I love it. I guess it's no surprise since that iconic run was _also_ written by O'Neil.
I love stories where jerkwads become superheroes for all the wrong reasons but slowly change and expand their worldviews after being exposed to the people they protect. Spider-Man 2099 by Peter David's another great example.
I wasn't going to read the absolute books because I thought there were just gritty takes on the characters, I never a saw full explanation and it didn't seem interesting until I heard you talk about it. I'm more interested now
3:15 Peak mentioned. Also I'm confident the DC Absolute universe will be just as awesome.
My idea for Absolute Green Arrow was to have Roy be the titular character but not having any connection to Oliver in the slightest, main reason was so that in the future we could have a role reversal of sorts as Oliver Queen becomes the Red Arrow, for the fun of it and a genuine interest in what Roy is doing so we can have a this adult billionaire taking lessons on how to be a hero from a street deliquent turned teenage vigilant.
The second you revealed Dinah my mind was blown and I was sold banger ideas as usual
Genuinely DC is really good at marketing comics to a wider audience. Their movie trailers end with comic recommendations, they have bundles based on movies, they FILL the cheap comic section at Ollie's with some genuinely cool titles, and their new "compact comics" line sells thick and short books for only $9.99! Finally comics I can easily take out on my lunch break!
In my opinion: I think the perfect villain for absolute Green Arrow is Clock King. In my opinion he was one of my least favorite Green Arrow villains on the basis that he’s counter-productive to the point of Green Arrow.
Oliver Queen is supposed to be a champion of the oppressed but when it comes to Clock King and his origin, Green Arrow is positioned as the oppressor.
This line gives me "hellboy" wonder woman, Dark Ages Batman, and actual alien superman. Take. My. Money.
Making Black Canary Otomonopea is actually the peak of peak fiction thats an insanely good idea
I like the idea that when Oliver is at the start of his arc he looks more like his new 52 self where he’s clean shaven and his development physically shows with him growing out the goatee we all know and love
I wanna see Absolute Blue Beetle where the scarab dosent have a mind it’s completely just a suite nothing else inside cause I wanna see how Heyme handles all of this power without something in his head that either dosent understand the world and try to hurt it or just teaches him how to use it. I think a free willed Beetle armor would just be interesting
The gasp I made when you said Absolutely Green Lantern is written by Al Ewing AND centres on Jo!!! 😮😮😮 I'm absolutely (🤭) subscribing to that!!!
I freaking love Far Sector and am so happy Jo, even from a different universe, is finally back in the spotlight, getting the attention she deserves 😤
We’re getting spoiled with these uploads lmao
@@Sonshinestudios-o3c We really are and I’m loving it.
@@willsherman4044 same here pal!
Probably wouldn't be as huge of a priority, but Absolute Question I think would be incredible if they approach him from the Dennis O'Neil angle and maybe have him start from the original Steve Ditko concept and grow into the more zen-Buddhist interpretation we get later. Obviously I'd say Renee Montoya would be my go to, but I think maybe the concept would work better with Sage if we go with the proposed angle.
Also, Absolute Batwoman I think would kick ass
I honestly wanna see what this guy can do with a pre-write DCU Green Arrow film. Also maybe do villains that have a personal history with Oliver Queen.
Martian Manhunter is temporally displaced, but from a time where Martian civilization was stable and thriving. He was just an average Joe. Or, rather, an average J'oeh. And now he's a hundred million years into the future, in a planet where things BURN, Mars has no vestiges of past life, and he doesn't know what happened. He'll be more than a little pissed off at those creatures who took everything away from him just for a science experiment.
Or he could be someone who was left behind on earth and grew up in a laboratory.
I’d love to read Absolute Constantine, where he’s almost entirely zen and acts as this enlightened figure almost like a Buddha