I think Tim’s main problem is that people forgot what made Tim appealing in the first place. Tim’s book was not a success in the 90’s because “He’s an even better detective than Batman! Hurp der derp!” That’s like saying Supergirl is popular because… idk, her heat vision is slightly hotter than Clark’s or something. Tim was a success because he was relatable. He was the ultimate fan-insert. He was basically Batman’s Kamala Khan. He knew Bruce and Dick’s secret identities in Lonely Place of Dying because he was a fan, not because he was a detective. Sure Tim is from a rich family, and yeah his birth mother was killed by a weird Voodoo villain, but that stuff rarely came up in his solo book. Tim went to regular public school and had to balance that with his role as Robin. He had a living father and step-mother. He wasn’t raised in a circus or on the streets of the narrows. His parents weren’t secretly evil. He was literally just a fan of Batman and Robin and got the job. This is what makes Tim appealing. He’s the ONLY normal one, and that’s why he’s misconstrued with boring. He’s the glue that hold the family together. When Dick wouldn’t become Robin again, he did. When Dick wouldn’t become Batman, he did. When the Bat-Family needed a new Robin, he stepped out and became Red Robin. And when the Bat-Family needed him as Robin again, he came back. That’s what makes Tim awesome. He isn’t the Donatello of the Bat-Family, he’s the April. EDIT: Oh yeah, and also, maybe don’t kill his entire supporting cast at the same time? Maybe that had something to do with his fall into irrelevancy lmao.
@@ethandoyle4978 Yes. He was dating a different girl at first, but they broke it off and he got with Steph. They aren’t together now. A lot of people like to say that Tim and Steph are an iconic DC romance, like Lois and Clark or Ollie and Dinah. And I gotta be honest… eh? Like, they’re cute and all, but like, that’s kinda it? They’ve got good chemistry, but I never really thought they were soulmates or whatever.
@@Kade_Kapes good to know, after playing Arkham knight I always thought Tim and barb were the best healthy relationship In the Bat family, but now that we’re possibly getting a live action version in gunns universe, I’m opened to the idea of Tim and Stephanie being a thing.
@@ethandoyle4978 Yeah, well, in the comics, Tim and Babs are a LOT farther apart in age than they are in the game lol. Barbara was already in her early to mid 20’s when a 13 year old Tim Drake got introduced. Personally, and I know a whole lot of very vocal people wouldn’t like this, but I think Stephanie’s best match is Cassandra Cain. They’re already best friends in the comics, and there have been a couple of instances to imply that maybe they’re more, but nothing has been explicitly confirmed.
Honestly, I'd love a Cassandra Cain animated film. Getting someone like Genndy Tartakovsky who can tell a whole story without words would be amazing. They're already getting experimental with the Dynamic Duo film, it'd be a good chance to let Cassandra shine.
I think animation would do Cassandra Cain so much justice, to visualise how she communicates and understands the world. Maybe even stop-motion animation like Coraline could work
I’m only exaggerating a little bit when I tell you I would walk over hot coals and broken class to see a story with Tim and Cassandra holding down the fort of a Batman-less batcave
I love Tim because he is a stand in for the reader. He’s the embodiment of every young comic reader who’s dreamed of joining the batfam (which let’s be honest, we all did) and he’s there to tell Bruce the things we all wish we could say to him when he’s being reckless and hurting himself and those around him. Which makes it so easy for a Batman fan to connect to him. It’s a really fascinating concept for a character, and one I’d love to see in live action.
Every argument against Tim Drake is ultimately denied by the fact Tim is the Robin in the Lego Batman trilogy, which automatically makes him the supreme Robin
@Thunderbender18830 The Lego Batman Movie is not canon to the videogame Lego Batman Trilogy. In the movie Dick is Robin, but in the games Tim Drake is the Robin until Lego DC Super Villains when Damian Wayne takes the mantle.
IMO, I think we need to start with a small, centralized Batfamily team that is slowly expanded upon. Tim as Robin, Cassie as Batgirl, Barbara as Oracle. Have Nightwing occasionally pop in for big events. Make the appearance of Damian and the resurrection of Jason into huge deals that affects the whole team, such as Tim striking out on his own and Cassie becoming close with Stephanie. Oh, and it needs to be said, ALFRED IS A BATFAMILY MEMBER! He may not be a caped hero but he’s the glue holding these sad, broken children together. He deserves just as much credit as Batman, if not more.
Eh, as much as I'd hate to say it, he's kind of redundant, in a way like trying to adapt all three Spider-Women. Sometimes comic character's just don't need to be adapted.
Genuinely, I want to see Batcow show up because to me all of the animals Damien adopts just shows that he isn’t a monster. He knows how to connect to others, he just has a hard time connecting to people and thusly finds comfort with animal companions rather than social interactions. It also is just one of those things that helps distinguish him and Jason in my opinion, as at first glance they’re the most similar out of all the robins .
I actually thought of this idea for an animated anthology series titled "We Are Robin" where it's just retelling the Batman and Robin stories, but primarily in the POVs of the different Robins And it would lead up to The Brave and The Bold
Massive props for your takes on Cass and Tim. I’ve struggled to articulate Tim’s place, which certainly DC has as well. But this is a great reminder of just how influential he’s been to the Bat-legacy. And I agree: give him a globe-trotting mystery with a totally new hero ID, and I bet he could get his groove back.
Tim is MY GOAT. Idk why his solo comics have been my favorite series but for some reason I just love his relationship with Stephanie Brown and the staff and the fact he’s just a super genius teenager is all so cool
Batman not gonna be “old” he’s gonna be “older” in the DCU starting out. James Gunn said recently they’re not casting middle age actors for Batman, he’s mostly likely gonna be around 34-37 max.
Which means he probably adopted Dick when he was like 26. A.k.a. Year 2 of Batmanning. That's the latest it could've been for him to be on his 5th Robin.
@michelle1181 Dick grayson, jason todd tim drake and damien wayne are all extremely relevant though. They are all crucial characters for the batman. Without Dick, Bruce never would have become less angry. Without Jason, Bruce would never have become more cautious. Without Tim, Bruce would never have become more hu.ble, and without Damian, Bruce e never would have be one more responsible. The Batman is responsible, but Damian gave him another avenue of responsibility.
I really want them to at least mention Duke. Maybe just on a newspaper or in a news report, mentioning that he's out there stopping a couple crimes during day time.
@@Reverse_HoodI’m a fan of both the webtoon and the comics, and I’d like to think it’s just a separate universe because the reason why that was even created, was because the comics were kinda sad and people love family shenanigans.
People say they want a Worlds Finest movie with Bruce & Clark that isn’t them fighting. But I’d also like a Bat & Super Family team up movie. Ya know those very trashy Christmas movies where it’s about two neighbouring families having a budding rivalry with each other. Ok now put them in red/blue & black/yellow costumes & you’ve got a really fun superhero movie right there.
Honestly, everyone I've talked to about Oracle/Batgirl seems to prefer oracle being in the wheelchair over not. However, I don't think that it would be a good look for the comics to reparalyze her. I figure the only way to go about doing that is to have her be paralyzed again next time they reboot the universe and just have it be as if she never was unparalyzed. I really liked the representation that she provided. Super competent and cool, no walking necessary. And THANK YOU on the Tim talk.
Just to see more obscure DC characters, I would like to see the Signal, A.K.A Duke Thomas be integrated into the DCU Bat family. I find his role to the bat family interesting, basically being a protector of Gotham in the day time, while everyone else works in the night.
@@generalcheese7344 my brother in christ have you ever read any comic about them? They're not a blood family, they don't necessarily see each other as siblings or real family. Besides, Stephanie didn't immediately become part of the Batfamily, she started as a Robin supporting character.
Really glad we're finally getting the Bat-Family in the DCU and I truly cannot wait to see what members we'll get and how they're tied to Batman and all their dynamics with each other. This would be my personal fan casting for some of the members of the DCU *BatFamily* : Batman/Bruce Wayne - Brandon Sklenar Alfred Pennyworth - Hugh Laurie Nightwing/Dick Grayson - Drake Roger or Leo Howard Red Hood/Jason Todd - Tanner Buchanan Red Robin/Tim Drake - Charlie Bushnell Robin/Damian Wayne - Unknown actor? Talia Al Ghul - Claudia Doumit Oracle/Barbara Gordon - Sadie Sink or Kiera Allen (a real-life paraplegic actress who is currently 26 years old) Batgirl/Ophan/Cassandra Cain - Riley Lai Nelet Batwoman/Kate Kane - Evan Rachel Woods Catwoman/Selina Kyle - Ana De Armas Commissioner James Gordon - Ethan Hawke Etc...
12:15 Listen, I may be very biased (as it hits the perfect niche of comfort and impact for me) but I really feel that the webcomic is amazing; it's definitely more slice-of-lifey than traditional Batman stuff, especially early on, but it is one of my favorite takes on the BatFam :)
As a young black dude that grew up loving comics and superhero’s frfr your videos are everything bro. The analysis, the passion, the writing you fr one of my favorites!! Big love Keep up the good work frfr!!!
Tim is my favorite robin. I really love the concept of making him a new Grey Ghost. In fact, in the story im writing, the pov character is basically Tim.
@@troyoboyo17 He does a great job in that game as Jonathan Crane, and while I'd be down for him to play a live-action Scarecrow I can also see him play a great live-action Riddler for the DCU, too
4:40 or so you make a great point about some of the iconic stories still can happen just later with Damien which can make them really interesting. It could also mean we don't have to see the exact same batman stories be told. AND this isnt gonna be a Spiderman PS4 situation where he has been Spidey for 8 years but hadnt fought all of his biggest rogues yet. Dent can be two face or not. Batman has so many and fights them so regulary. The only ones that are kinda odd is like Mr freeze who after the intial becomes a monster and fights. Doesnt have much narrartive to explore. I am SURE James has thought about this as its literally the first problem to solve when doing this entire concept.
Ehh..., Dcamu already tried that and imo, dumbed down a lot of them and the role of different characters just to give Damian more stuff to do. Even then, the stories didn't really change that much. They basically proceeded the same. Meaning his addition didn't even add much value and didn't have much effect story wise. Unless they rewrite it to actually give him a unique role and don't take away from others to make room for him, I personally wouldn't want that.
For the record Batgirl was shelved before Gunn and Safran took on their roles as heads of DC, Safran later answered a question and said he supported Zaslav's decision, so afaik neither were actively involved in the decision to cancel it.
I actually really like the idea of Jason Todd being dead in an already established Bat-family. It's cool because you can still have a live action under the red hood movie, but also because I think he could have an interesting dynamic with the younger/newer Bat-family member. They've heard of Jason Todd the mysterious 2nd Robin who died, but aside from that they don't know much. He can be like an urban legend, a tragic story to make sure no one else makes the same mistakes as him and to stay in line, he could serve as a cautionary tale to the newer Bat-family members.
I'd do anything for a movie or show about that Nightwing, Azrael and Cass trio we saw in Ram V's Detective Comics run. Three characters that are so different but work so well together and didn't get enough time to shine.
Thank you for defending Tim! He's my favorite comic book character and he's actually so important. It boggles my mind DC doesn't seem to know what to do with him because there's so much they could do if they bothered trying.
Honestly whenever I think of the Bat-Family, Tim is always the go to Robin in my head, he’s the first one I think of when I think of the Robin mantle. Basically every piece of Batman media I consumed growing up had Tim as Robin, like the Lego and Arkham games, The New Batman Adventures reruns, or it was something like Teen Titans where they never say his real name (that I remember, I know he’s Nightwing in the future so it gives it away, but eh) but while it’s Dick as Robin, he’s got the staff so my kid brain just said “oh ok he’s Tim, the Donatello of the Robins.”
1:34 Okay I keep seeing this going around and I feel the need to clarify. That is NOT 100% practical. The face is a CGI replacement on top of a animatronic head. In fact most of the studios productions use the same technique. The Demo reel is intentionally misleading as there's been a trend toward telling audiences that "everything is practical" in the last decade, as CGI has become a "bad" word.
I think Bruce being later in his career is perfect, and as much as people want to see them for the Reeveseverse, it makes WAY more sense thematically for the Court of Owls to be a story for the DCU's older Bruce. For me, one of the most important elements of the Court of Owls story that made it so impactful when it was first written was that Bruce was FIRMLY established as Batman. He'd been Batman for years, and to him, he knew everything there was to know about Gotham City. So suddenly, being faced with the realization that there has been this secret organization that's essentially been running Gotham from the shadows since LONG before Bruce was ever born, and he had no idea they even existed, rocks Bruce to his core. It makes Bruce question everything he knows about his city, and it's a perfect story to shake up an experienced Batman. I know a lot of people have listed the Court among their most wanted villains for a The Batman sequel, but to me, it lacks the intense gut punch the original story has if Bruce has only been Batman for a couple years. Plus, the big climactic Night of the Owls thing doesn't work in a grounded Batman world with no Bat Family. Reeves isn't gonna introduce Zombie assassins, lmao
If they really end up doing Clayface at some point, they should make him like the funny and sightly problematic uncle of the family. That honestly qould be a fun way to make him fit without fully ignoring his past.
Gotta love Tim. He’s probably the smartest Robin, and this is demonstrated by how his first superhero name that separates himself from the bat family is his LAST NAME.
Hey, great video, as always! 100% agree on your opinions on Tim Drake, and I think Cass could be awesome in the new DCU with the relationship with Damian that you described. I don't know if this is a hot take, but I kind of feel like some of the members of the Batfamily should eventually get better at stuff that Batman is known for. Like Dick being kind of a better leader, Barbara being smarter and more resourceful (her being Oracle makes this very clear), and even Cass becoming a better fighter and Tim a better detective. They don't have to start like that, but that can show a side of Bruce as a father and a good mentor in some ways, with the students becoming the masters, and giving them even more reason to be in other projects of the DCU that maybe Batman doesn't appear in. I don't think these are "canon" in the comics, but they are my "head canon" and kind of makes the characters even more interesting for me, including Bruce. I am a sucker for a mentor-mentee relationship though, so that might be just a personal bias. Also, it may be a given, but I think an older Bruce Wayne having some sort of relationship with Catwoman Selina Kyle could be kind of cool. I find their relationship very interesting when well written, and I think there is a reason why she is as well known as she is, and has been part of a lot (if not most) adaptations of Batman in some way (even Nolan had her in his last movie, with Robin being just a wink in the end). Selina can be a great character if not only there to be sexualized, and the character arcs that both Bruce and her can go with a relationship with one another can be kind of cool. Also she should at least have a solo TV series (as does most of the Batfamily, in my opinion).Hope my english doesn't suck, much love from Brazil!!
Id absolutely love to see Carrie Kelly get more attention. As a kid it was so exciting seeing a female Robin for the first time. I understand she can’t make regular appearances since she’s not in the main canon, but it sucks she never really gets brought up in Robin conversations
@@huntertezz I think it’s just cus she was the first, and because TDKR became so popular she just became known as “the girl Robin”. I have a bias for Carrie, but I’d love to see Stephanie get a theatrical debut.
Random but I hope they make Jason ginger. Tim as the Gray Ghost would be sick. I'm also warm to the idea of "Owlman" - yes I know Owlman is a villain but before that it was an alias used by Dick Grayon after he was aged by alien gas (Batman Vol 1 107) and I think it would be cool for the name to be reclaimed by a hero (random I know lol)
they cant be making batman an a-hole, like morrison wanted, saying he made him do it. And robin is to be all a like, the never aging side-kick of the batman
I’d love to see Kate in the dcu, she’s really underrated. But I think I’d have her be more distant from the batfamily and have her be a part of a justice league dark team since her comics are usually more supernatural. I’d also love to see a batman murderer/fugitive adaptation since it’s my favorite comic and one of the best arguments as to why batman shouldn’t stay a loner
I don't care if it's a lot of DC Content. We dc fans desperately NEED more people to talk about this beautiful universe and amazing stories and characters. Personally I was very tired of marvel (I still love them tho) so it's refreshing watching your DC videos
I will do LITERALLY ANYTHING for Tim Drake to not get ignored again and make it into the DCU. The Batfamily doesn’t exist without Tim Drake, he’s the whole reason it expanded beyond just Dick and Alfred. The best Robin deserves a proper spotlight.
I know he's not essential, but I'd really love to see Azrael off of the page. Specifically Jean-Paul Valley. Jean-Paul fascinated me when I was reading Knightfall the way John Walker did a lot of audiences in Falcon and the Winter Soldier. The difference is that Jean-Paul had way more planning and follow through. In Knightfall, he represented everything wrong with 90s comics. He was brutal, edgy, overdesigned with a shit ton of pockets, crazy as all get out. And when he became Batman while Bruce was in the hospital, it showed why Bruce is special. Azrael is the argument as to why we need traditional heroes. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk
As a big Tim Drake fan i really want the movies to make him beign relevant again. I want to see him becoming the Red Robin again and finally gradutate from beign Robin and become it's own hero. I would even gave him it's own spin-off after TBATB about Tim and Spoiler go against Cluemaster or some other villains just to show how cool Tim Drake can be. I also would be curious to see Cassandra Cain in this. I can see her start off as an assasin manipulated by the league but later (maybe in the 3rd act) see how Damian could have found redemption she decide to do the same and join the Bat-Family.
Honestly, I kind want Tim to train under the question then detective chimp for a while. Have him train under all the contenders for worlds greatest detective then become the definitive world's greatest detective.
I think the issue with Tim Drake is that people tend to try to write him like his more attention grabbing counterparts when really what needs to be done is the opposite. His best traits are presented in his introduction. He is smart, he is proactive and he is understanding, if that means he is best not on the front lines then do so. I'm not saying make him Oracle 2.0. He can still fight but a focus on his detective work or maybe even his competency at managing his fellow heroes. Ironically Matt Reeves' Batman is the type of scenario I think Tim Drake would thrive in, and the idea of a bat detective adjency run by Tim, with his associates Spoiler and Cassandra would be great
YES we need Tim in these movies because he is an integral part of the Batman mythos. mM fav Robins are Damian and Tim so im biased but like how can you make a universe with the Batfamily without having the characters most of the middle ground audience (not superfans but not GP) will recognize. honestly the movies can even give DC ideas on what to do with specific characters if everything goes well i think the Webtoon also has part of the GP become more familiar with the Bats as a whole and they will probably be expecting some of these characters
I highly recommend Wayne Family Adventures. This first season is mostly character development and family shenanigans (and it does wonders for Duke Thomas as a character, but season 2 is currently is going in a more story driven route while still keeping its core elements.
I think at the start of brave and bold the family should be fairly small (small for a batfamily). I think Batman, Tim and Cass on patrol, with babs playing support as Oracle. Dick would be mainly active in Bludhaven so he would be more of a part time member (think big brother coming home from college when he is around). Jason should be dead and come back in the future, and Damien’s being introduced in the movie. I think anymore than this will be to much and there won’t be room for expansion in the future
I will defend Tim's place in the family until I die!! Black Bird is a dope name too. Maybe he could have csi-esque type of show on Max where he meets Bernard and they give him a personality!
I feel like Tim's place as middle child with an identity crisis who doesn't know who to be outside of Robin would make for a great emotional/character driven story if they'd have the balls to commit to it. Everyone else (except Damian who is still stuck in that too young for his own identity anyway phase on top of the father-son stuff you mentioned) has stepped into new identities they've made their own. Tim hasn't and everything he's tried either hasn't stuck or is very clearly barely a step removed from Robin, and that could be deeply interesting to explore why he's the one who can't quite step out of it and doesn't seem to have a niche to fill the way the others do. He's not even my favorite Robin (Jason done *correctly* is easily one of my favorite characters of all time) but I do find him deeply interesting for the potential he has both in and out of that role
I think they should aso make Killer Croc a member of the Bat-Family. Like in Earth One, he's an urban legend, a monster in the sewers, but hes just a recluse because of his condition. Not a killer, not a cannibal, someone Batman finds while chasing someone else, and takes in under his wing (pun intended).
Tim is the best Robin but he’s been experimented with so much that he feels like a whole different character right now. He was at his best around 2007 right before he became Red Robin which i think should be his permanent persona
Tim Drake is my favourite DC character of all time so I’m honestly really scared about them jumping straight into Damian, especially considering they are looking for a Batman who is a similar age to Corenswet (30’s) because I feel like 10 years as the batman isn’t long enough for him to have gone through 3 seperate Robins and so I’m afraid they are just going to do what the DCAMU did and just forget any Robin other than Dick or Damian exist and make Damian the 2nd Robin. Personally I think it’s stupid to jump straight into Damian I would start with a Long Halloween adaptation with Tim Drake as Robin and then a couple phases down the line after the bat family has been fleshed out, then I would add Damian.
While I love Cass in the role of Batgirl, I think the opportunity for Stephanie’s stint as Batgirl to overlap with Damian in the mantle of Robin is so valuable. Though Cass or Damian could have things to teach and learn from each other with their similar backgrounds, the fact Steph served that contrast in personality against Damian made their interactions and relationship during Damian’s early time as Robin some of my favorite Batfamily dynamics ever created. I loved the older sister vs. little brother sibling energy of those comics, with Damian antagonizing Stephanie but learning to truly respect and enjoy her company, and Stephanie cutting to the core of Damian’s brattiness to see the tragic absence of a childhood and someone she could coax and tease out and teach how to have fun and just get to be any another kid for once. Their time together in those mantles really strengthened and highlighted each of their characters alongside its deepening of the well of interpersonal dynamics the Batfamily provided. I hope that Stephanie, even if she does eventually make her way back to Spoiler, will get to play the Batgirl beside Damian’s Robin for at least some time onscreen in Gunn’s DCU.
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he’s kind of like a bat, man
he’s kinda like a dick, grayson
Dick Grayson and Barbara Gordon deserve better roles than Batman & Robin
@@troyoboyo17 "say that again"
Hugh Grant for Alfred Pennyworth
@@abiodunsulaiman2297 "He's kind of like a bat, man."
8:28 "I want Jason dead."
Wow, the fandom hasn't changed, I see.
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I think Tim’s main problem is that people forgot what made Tim appealing in the first place.
Tim’s book was not a success in the 90’s because “He’s an even better detective than Batman! Hurp der derp!” That’s like saying Supergirl is popular because… idk, her heat vision is slightly hotter than Clark’s or something.
Tim was a success because he was relatable. He was the ultimate fan-insert. He was basically Batman’s Kamala Khan. He knew Bruce and Dick’s secret identities in Lonely Place of Dying because he was a fan, not because he was a detective.
Sure Tim is from a rich family, and yeah his birth mother was killed by a weird Voodoo villain, but that stuff rarely came up in his solo book. Tim went to regular public school and had to balance that with his role as Robin. He had a living father and step-mother. He wasn’t raised in a circus or on the streets of the narrows. His parents weren’t secretly evil. He was literally just a fan of Batman and Robin and got the job.
This is what makes Tim appealing. He’s the ONLY normal one, and that’s why he’s misconstrued with boring. He’s the glue that hold the family together. When Dick wouldn’t become Robin again, he did. When Dick wouldn’t become Batman, he did. When the Bat-Family needed a new Robin, he stepped out and became Red Robin. And when the Bat-Family needed him as Robin again, he came back.
That’s what makes Tim awesome. He isn’t the Donatello of the Bat-Family, he’s the April.
EDIT: Oh yeah, and also, maybe don’t kill his entire supporting cast at the same time? Maybe that had something to do with his fall into irrelevancy lmao.
Aren’t Tim and Stephanie a/were a couple when Tim was robin ?
@@ethandoyle4978 Yes. He was dating a different girl at first, but they broke it off and he got with Steph. They aren’t together now. A lot of people like to say that Tim and Steph are an iconic DC romance, like Lois and Clark or Ollie and Dinah.
And I gotta be honest… eh? Like, they’re cute and all, but like, that’s kinda it? They’ve got good chemistry, but I never really thought they were soulmates or whatever.
@@Kade_Kapes good to know, after playing Arkham knight I always thought Tim and barb were the best healthy relationship In the Bat family, but now that we’re possibly getting a live action version in gunns universe, I’m opened to the idea of Tim and Stephanie being a thing.
@@ethandoyle4978 Yeah, well, in the comics, Tim and Babs are a LOT farther apart in age than they are in the game lol. Barbara was already in her early to mid 20’s when a 13 year old Tim Drake got introduced.
Personally, and I know a whole lot of very vocal people wouldn’t like this, but I think Stephanie’s best match is Cassandra Cain. They’re already best friends in the comics, and there have been a couple of instances to imply that maybe they’re more, but nothing has been explicitly confirmed.
@@Kade_Kapes fair point
The spookiest part of the video is how he’s trying to evade doing the Green Arrow Prewrite
Honestly, I'd love a Cassandra Cain animated film. Getting someone like Genndy Tartakovsky who can tell a whole story without words would be amazing. They're already getting experimental with the Dynamic Duo film, it'd be a good chance to let Cassandra shine.
I think animation would do Cassandra Cain so much justice, to visualise how she communicates and understands the world. Maybe even stop-motion animation like Coraline could work
Absolutely! Cass needs more love
I'd argue his most famous Is your biggest point, more or less I don't remember alot of speech in star wars and samurai jack,
Primal is a great one
Agree
I’m only exaggerating a little bit when I tell you I would walk over hot coals and broken class to see a story with Tim and Cassandra holding down the fort of a Batman-less batcave
I don't even think that they would have a difficult time. They would be SO good at it.
@@smargio Yeah, but I don't think they'd particularly like doing it.
@@vanguardbreaker8826Tim and Cass are the 2 most dedicated members to Bruce
@@painvillegaming4119 But Jarro is still the favourite one!
I would
"I know it's been a lot of DC stuff in a row" YEAH and I want MORE
I second this LOL.
The bat family is so essential to bat man and it’s criminal that none of the movies have fully adapted it
I'd literally take an animated series just to have the entire batfamily.
I love Tim because he is a stand in for the reader. He’s the embodiment of every young comic reader who’s dreamed of joining the batfam (which let’s be honest, we all did) and he’s there to tell Bruce the things we all wish we could say to him when he’s being reckless and hurting himself and those around him. Which makes it so easy for a Batman fan to connect to him. It’s a really fascinating concept for a character, and one I’d love to see in live action.
That was the kind of the whole point of Robin in the first place
That's what robin always was, originally
Wow, awesome insight
Every argument against Tim Drake is ultimately denied by the fact Tim is the Robin in the Lego Batman trilogy, which automatically makes him the supreme Robin
I thought it was Dick? There’s even a joke about “My friends call me Dick” and Batman responds “Kids can be cruel.”
@Thunderbender18830 The Lego Batman Movie is not canon to the videogame Lego Batman Trilogy. In the movie Dick is Robin, but in the games Tim Drake is the Robin until Lego DC Super Villains when Damian Wayne takes the mantle.
@ Oh gotcha, I thought you were talking about the movie.
IMO, I think we need to start with a small, centralized Batfamily team that is slowly expanded upon. Tim as Robin, Cassie as Batgirl, Barbara as Oracle. Have Nightwing occasionally pop in for big events. Make the appearance of Damian and the resurrection of Jason into huge deals that affects the whole team, such as Tim striking out on his own and Cassie becoming close with Stephanie. Oh, and it needs to be said, ALFRED IS A BATFAMILY MEMBER! He may not be a caped hero but he’s the glue holding these sad, broken children together. He deserves just as much credit as Batman, if not more.
Honestly have Nightwing first appearance be with the Titans
For the movie Bruce oracle Cass Damian and Tim
Second movie Jason is the antagonist
I need Duke Thomas in this universe, he’s constantly being left out of things and I really want to see more of him.
Eh, as much as I'd hate to say it, he's kind of redundant, in a way like trying to adapt all three Spider-Women. Sometimes comic character's just don't need to be adapted.
DC give us a Signal movie and my life it's yours 🙏🙏🙏
The only non comic media I’ve seen him in was batwheels, as a ROBIN, I was so proud of my boy that I watched the entire thing
Genuinely, I want to see Batcow show up because to me all of the animals Damien adopts just shows that he isn’t a monster. He knows how to connect to others, he just has a hard time connecting to people and thusly finds comfort with animal companions rather than social interactions.
It also is just one of those things that helps distinguish him and Jason in my opinion, as at first glance they’re the most similar out of all the robins .
Since james gunn is in charge of the universe, Bat-Cow seems likely.
I actually thought of this idea for an animated anthology series titled "We Are Robin" where it's just retelling the Batman and Robin stories, but primarily in the POVs of the different Robins
And it would lead up to The Brave and The Bold
Wow I love this idea so much
Massive props for your takes on Cass and Tim. I’ve struggled to articulate Tim’s place, which certainly DC has as well. But this is a great reminder of just how influential he’s been to the Bat-legacy. And I agree: give him a globe-trotting mystery with a totally new hero ID, and I bet he could get his groove back.
I read Death in the family for the first time expecting a classic like u said and boyyyyy was I surprised at Iranian Joker
🤧cocaine🤧🤧 excuse me
AND THEN SUPERMAN STOPPING BATMAN FROM KILLING HIM BECAUSE????? HE IS THE UN AMBASSADOR????
@@raion.xiaoshiOMG I FORGOT ABOUT THAT, WAS THE WRITER ON CRACK??!!?!!?
Tim is MY GOAT. Idk why his solo comics have been my favorite series but for some reason I just love his relationship with Stephanie Brown and the staff and the fact he’s just a super genius teenager is all so cool
Batman not gonna be “old” he’s gonna be “older” in the DCU starting out. James Gunn said recently they’re not casting middle age actors for Batman, he’s mostly likely gonna be around 34-37 max.
Yeah he's going to be in his 30s definitely
Which means he probably adopted Dick when he was like 26. A.k.a. Year 2 of Batmanning. That's the latest it could've been for him to be on his 5th Robin.
@@Iliadiche won't be. They will cut 1 or 2 Robins out of the 4 that are relevant
@michelle1181 Dick grayson, jason todd tim drake and damien wayne are all extremely relevant though. They are all crucial characters for the batman. Without Dick, Bruce never would have become less angry. Without Jason, Bruce would never have become more cautious. Without Tim, Bruce would never have become more hu.ble, and without Damian, Bruce e never would have be one more responsible.
The Batman is responsible, but Damian gave him another avenue of responsibility.
@@Iliadic they have been working Batman with 0 of them for like nearly 30 years. There is no real need for all of 4 after 3 it gets repetitive.
Your Oliver Queen is my Tim Drake. I am here begging on my knees to James Gunn to include him or give him some project
Please!!! I need my bisexual detective man in live action
@@jasonninja55yesss
@@jasonninja55 He hasn't been a decent character since pre flashpoint.
@@TheIndulging Okay....? So let's fix that.
@@jasonninja55 That'd be the dream but it seems like everyone apart from Dick and Damian are in the mud rn lmao
I really want them to at least mention Duke. Maybe just on a newspaper or in a news report, mentioning that he's out there stopping a couple crimes during day time.
Or keep him as a non-hero supporting character.
DC really needs to deliver a good Batfamily dynamic after accumulating a big fanbase for them with the Webtoon comics.
Which is awful because the webcomic is terrible at portraying what the Bat heroes are actually like
@@Reverse_HoodI personally disagree with this take but I still respect your opinion.
@@Reverse_HoodI’m a fan of both the webtoon and the comics, and I’d like to think it’s just a separate universe because the reason why that was even created, was because the comics were kinda sad and people love family shenanigans.
People say they want a Worlds Finest movie with Bruce & Clark that isn’t them fighting. But I’d also like a Bat & Super Family team up movie. Ya know those very trashy Christmas movies where it’s about two neighbouring families having a budding rivalry with each other. Ok now put them in red/blue & black/yellow costumes & you’ve got a really fun superhero movie right there.
I think it would be so cool to have a film about Tim and Cass defining what it means to be Batgirl and Robin
Honestly, everyone I've talked to about Oracle/Batgirl seems to prefer oracle being in the wheelchair over not. However, I don't think that it would be a good look for the comics to reparalyze her. I figure the only way to go about doing that is to have her be paralyzed again next time they reboot the universe and just have it be as if she never was unparalyzed. I really liked the representation that she provided. Super competent and cool, no walking necessary. And THANK YOU on the Tim talk.
Cass cain and tim drake in thumbnail, LETS FUCKING JOE
Just to see more obscure DC characters, I would like to see the Signal, A.K.A Duke Thomas be integrated into the DCU Bat family. I find his role to the bat family interesting, basically being a protector of Gotham in the day time, while everyone else works in the night.
Even if it’s not a romantic relationship anymore, I still need Tim Drake's Robin and Spoiler to have some time together on the big screen.
I never got why the bat FAMILY ever got romantically involved with each other
I never got why the bat FAMILY ever got romantically involved with each other
@@generalcheese7344 my brother in christ have you ever read any comic about them? They're not a blood family, they don't necessarily see each other as siblings or real family. Besides, Stephanie didn't immediately become part of the Batfamily, she started as a Robin supporting character.
Really glad we're finally getting the Bat-Family in the DCU and I truly cannot wait to see what members we'll get and how they're tied to Batman and all their dynamics with each other.
This would be my personal fan casting for some of the members of the DCU *BatFamily* :
Batman/Bruce Wayne - Brandon Sklenar
Alfred Pennyworth - Hugh Laurie
Nightwing/Dick Grayson - Drake Roger or Leo Howard
Red Hood/Jason Todd - Tanner Buchanan
Red Robin/Tim Drake - Charlie Bushnell
Robin/Damian Wayne - Unknown actor?
Talia Al Ghul - Claudia Doumit
Oracle/Barbara Gordon - Sadie Sink or Kiera Allen (a real-life paraplegic actress who is currently 26 years old)
Batgirl/Ophan/Cassandra Cain - Riley Lai Nelet
Batwoman/Kate Kane - Evan Rachel Woods
Catwoman/Selina Kyle - Ana De Armas
Commissioner James Gordon - Ethan Hawke
Etc...
12:15 Listen, I may be very biased (as it hits the perfect niche of comfort and impact for me) but I really feel that the webcomic is amazing; it's definitely more slice-of-lifey than traditional Batman stuff, especially early on, but it is one of my favorite takes on the BatFam :)
As a young black dude that grew up loving comics and superhero’s frfr your videos are everything bro. The analysis, the passion, the writing you fr one of my favorites!! Big love Keep up the good work frfr!!!
Cassandra Cain fans rise up! I’ve got her new book pre-ordered babyyyyyy!
Tim is my favorite robin. I really love the concept of making him a new Grey Ghost.
In fact, in the story im writing, the pov character is basically Tim.
This is honestly one of my fav videos from you as of late. So many great comic reccomendations that I do gotta eventually start buying soon
My casting for a potential DCU Scarecrow: Matt Lillard! Look back on his past roles and think about it
People have wanted Jackie Earle Haley to be Scarecrow since the DCEU. I don't remember how old he is, so he might have aged out of it by now.
The man,,, behind the slaughter,,, and also the fear gas
Oh that’d be cool. I’ve seen some bits of Elijah Wood from the new Arkham Game and now I think he would be really fun in the movies
That'd be awesome. Ngl I kinda want Scarecrow as Batman's nemesis in DCU, have a place in Legion of Doom and be total menace.
@@troyoboyo17 He does a great job in that game as Jonathan Crane, and while I'd be down for him to play a live-action Scarecrow I can also see him play a great live-action Riddler for the DCU, too
4:40 or so you make a great point about some of the iconic stories still can happen just later with Damien which can make them really interesting. It could also mean we don't have to see the exact same batman stories be told. AND this isnt gonna be a Spiderman PS4 situation where he has been Spidey for 8 years but hadnt fought all of his biggest rogues yet. Dent can be two face or not. Batman has so many and fights them so regulary. The only ones that are kinda odd is like Mr freeze who after the intial becomes a monster and fights. Doesnt have much narrartive to explore. I am SURE James has thought about this as its literally the first problem to solve when doing this entire concept.
Ehh..., Dcamu already tried that and imo, dumbed down a lot of them and the role of different characters just to give Damian more stuff to do. Even then, the stories didn't really change that much. They basically proceeded the same. Meaning his addition didn't even add much value and didn't have much effect story wise.
Unless they rewrite it to actually give him a unique role and don't take away from others to make room for him, I personally wouldn't want that.
10:46 i like how the screams make the “ah” sound of hawk tuah
For the record Batgirl was shelved before Gunn and Safran took on their roles as heads of DC, Safran later answered a question and said he supported Zaslav's decision, so afaik neither were actively involved in the decision to cancel it.
I actually really like the idea of Jason Todd being dead in an already established Bat-family. It's cool because you can still have a live action under the red hood movie, but also because I think he could have an interesting dynamic with the younger/newer Bat-family member. They've heard of Jason Todd the mysterious 2nd Robin who died, but aside from that they don't know much. He can be like an urban legend, a tragic story to make sure no one else makes the same mistakes as him and to stay in line, he could serve as a cautionary tale to the newer Bat-family members.
I just wanna say I appreciate you going out of your way to avoid spoiling comics that people might wanna read!
James gunn including so many of these DC heroes' sidekicks/side characters gives me more hope then anything! Cant wait for krypto and the batfamily!
I'd do anything for a movie or show about that Nightwing, Azrael and Cass trio we saw in Ram V's Detective Comics run. Three characters that are so different but work so well together and didn't get enough time to shine.
Thank you for defending Tim! He's my favorite comic book character and he's actually so important. It boggles my mind DC doesn't seem to know what to do with him because there's so much they could do if they bothered trying.
Tim needs to be the new Grey Ghost and be a PI. Or name him after a another bird and make him the permanent Teen Titans/Young Justice leader
Titans are not Titans without Dick Grayson. They can put Damian or Tim and call it Titans but it will never be
@ obviously Dick founds the team, but what happens when he is done with it? It shouldn’t just be disbanded
Honestly whenever I think of the Bat-Family, Tim is always the go to Robin in my head, he’s the first one I think of when I think of the Robin mantle. Basically every piece of Batman media I consumed growing up had Tim as Robin, like the Lego and Arkham games, The New Batman Adventures reruns, or it was something like Teen Titans where they never say his real name (that I remember, I know he’s Nightwing in the future so it gives it away, but eh) but while it’s Dick as Robin, he’s got the staff so my kid brain just said “oh ok he’s Tim, the Donatello of the Robins.”
1:34 Okay I keep seeing this going around and I feel the need to clarify. That is NOT 100% practical. The face is a CGI replacement on top of a animatronic head. In fact most of the studios productions use the same technique. The Demo reel is intentionally misleading as there's been a trend toward telling audiences that "everything is practical" in the last decade, as CGI has become a "bad" word.
I think Bruce being later in his career is perfect, and as much as people want to see them for the Reeveseverse, it makes WAY more sense thematically for the Court of Owls to be a story for the DCU's older Bruce.
For me, one of the most important elements of the Court of Owls story that made it so impactful when it was first written was that Bruce was FIRMLY established as Batman.
He'd been Batman for years, and to him, he knew everything there was to know about Gotham City. So suddenly, being faced with the realization that there has been this secret organization that's essentially been running Gotham from the shadows since LONG before Bruce was ever born, and he had no idea they even existed, rocks Bruce to his core.
It makes Bruce question everything he knows about his city, and it's a perfect story to shake up an experienced Batman.
I know a lot of people have listed the Court among their most wanted villains for a The Batman sequel, but to me, it lacks the intense gut punch the original story has if Bruce has only been Batman for a couple years.
Plus, the big climactic Night of the Owls thing doesn't work in a grounded Batman world with no Bat Family. Reeves isn't gonna introduce Zombie assassins, lmao
If they really end up doing Clayface at some point, they should make him like the funny and sightly problematic uncle of the family. That honestly qould be a fun way to make him fit without fully ignoring his past.
Condor could be a great new codename for Tim Drake, but Blackbird is a good one too.
My boy Signal needs more love
**JUST PUT ALL 4 ROBIN BROS TOGETHER IN ONE FULL COMIC AGAIN AS DC'S NINJA TURTLES! That way everyone of us is happy**
Killer croc being apart of the bat family will forever be cool. Damn earth one comics were kinda slept on.
Damian should steal Jason’s suit from the memorial and get yelled at by Bruce. That could be a really big piece of character development
Girl yes. Yes. I need a movie like that with the whole family on screen 🙏 ITS GOING ON MY CHRISTMAS LIST.
THANK you for the tim respect, time and cass are like my TWO big wants out of this batfam and you hit it on the nose
Nightwing being a Black Canary fan makes sense. She was a great therapist for him in Young Justice.
The way I CHEERED with tim being the #1 pick. Need my goat to get more recognition (also does anyone have comic recs for tim)
@@aydentheidiot2618 the miniseries before his solo run where he trains with lady shiva and fights joker alone
Gotta love Tim. He’s probably the smartest Robin, and this is demonstrated by how his first superhero name that separates himself from the bat family is his LAST NAME.
Hey, great video, as always! 100% agree on your opinions on Tim Drake, and I think Cass could be awesome in the new DCU with the relationship with Damian that you described. I don't know if this is a hot take, but I kind of feel like some of the members of the Batfamily should eventually get better at stuff that Batman is known for. Like Dick being kind of a better leader, Barbara being smarter and more resourceful (her being Oracle makes this very clear), and even Cass becoming a better fighter and Tim a better detective. They don't have to start like that, but that can show a side of Bruce as a father and a good mentor in some ways, with the students becoming the masters, and giving them even more reason to be in other projects of the DCU that maybe Batman doesn't appear in. I don't think these are "canon" in the comics, but they are my "head canon" and kind of makes the characters even more interesting for me, including Bruce. I am a sucker for a mentor-mentee relationship though, so that might be just a personal bias. Also, it may be a given, but I think an older Bruce Wayne having some sort of relationship with Catwoman Selina Kyle could be kind of cool. I find their relationship very interesting when well written, and I think there is a reason why she is as well known as she is, and has been part of a lot (if not most) adaptations of Batman in some way (even Nolan had her in his last movie, with Robin being just a wink in the end). Selina can be a great character if not only there to be sexualized, and the character arcs that both Bruce and her can go with a relationship with one another can be kind of cool. Also she should at least have a solo TV series (as does most of the Batfamily, in my opinion).Hope my english doesn't suck, much love from Brazil!!
Id absolutely love to see Carrie Kelly get more attention. As a kid it was so exciting seeing a female Robin for the first time. I understand she can’t make regular appearances since she’s not in the main canon, but it sucks she never really gets brought up in Robin conversations
It sucks more that people bring her up more than the canon female Robin Stephanie Brown
@@huntertezz I think it’s just cus she was the first, and because TDKR became so popular she just became known as “the girl Robin”. I have a bias for Carrie, but I’d love to see Stephanie get a theatrical debut.
21:45 I can't unsee it now.
Me either so man is canon then
Random but I hope they make Jason ginger.
Tim as the Gray Ghost would be sick. I'm also warm to the idea of "Owlman" - yes I know Owlman is a villain but before that it was an alias used by Dick Grayon after he was aged by alien gas (Batman Vol 1 107) and I think it would be cool for the name to be reclaimed by a hero (random I know lol)
they cant be making batman an a-hole, like morrison wanted, saying he made him do it. And robin is to be all a like, the never aging side-kick of the batman
I’d love to see Kate in the dcu, she’s really underrated. But I think I’d have her be more distant from the batfamily and have her be a part of a justice league dark team since her comics are usually more supernatural. I’d also love to see a batman murderer/fugitive adaptation since it’s my favorite comic and one of the best arguments as to why batman shouldn’t stay a loner
No Jarro?? You're not even a real fan Troyo.
Best Robin!
I don't care if it's a lot of DC Content. We dc fans desperately NEED more people to talk about this beautiful universe and amazing stories and characters. Personally I was very tired of marvel (I still love them tho) so it's refreshing watching your DC videos
It doesn’t matter who’s a part of the Bat family, as long as they understand that Alfred is the most important member
I PRAY THEY ADD TIM AND CASSANDRA AND MAKE THEM COOL LIKE THEY WERE PRE NEW 52 PLEASE DC🙏🙏🙏🙏
If I were in charge of the DC universe that James Gunn is putting together, I would have him as Tim as Red Robin.
I will do LITERALLY ANYTHING for Tim Drake to not get ignored again and make it into the DCU. The Batfamily doesn’t exist without Tim Drake, he’s the whole reason it expanded beyond just Dick and Alfred. The best Robin deserves a proper spotlight.
What about the name Sparrow for Tim,I think that would be cool but it’s just an idea
I know he's not essential, but I'd really love to see Azrael off of the page. Specifically Jean-Paul Valley. Jean-Paul fascinated me when I was reading Knightfall the way John Walker did a lot of audiences in Falcon and the Winter Soldier. The difference is that Jean-Paul had way more planning and follow through. In Knightfall, he represented everything wrong with 90s comics. He was brutal, edgy, overdesigned with a shit ton of pockets, crazy as all get out. And when he became Batman while Bruce was in the hospital, it showed why Bruce is special. Azrael is the argument as to why we need traditional heroes. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk
Agreed I want azreal in live action because moon knight proves it can work
I want TimSteph in a movie.
Our boy Tim deserves justice.
I need Lady Shiva finally in live action, so Cassandra Cain is definitely gonna be at the top of my list to appear 😅
As a big Tim Drake fan i really want the movies to make him beign relevant again. I want to see him becoming the Red Robin again and finally gradutate from beign Robin and become it's own hero. I would even gave him it's own spin-off after TBATB about Tim and Spoiler go against Cluemaster or some other villains just to show how cool Tim Drake can be.
I also would be curious to see Cassandra Cain in this. I can see her start off as an assasin manipulated by the league but later (maybe in the 3rd act) see how Damian could have found redemption she decide to do the same and join the Bat-Family.
Honestly, I kind want Tim to train under the question then detective chimp for a while. Have him train under all the contenders for worlds greatest detective then become the definitive world's greatest detective.
for tim, generally i’d love the grey ghost take or him taking on the red x mantle
I think the issue with Tim Drake is that people tend to try to write him like his more attention grabbing counterparts when really what needs to be done is the opposite. His best traits are presented in his introduction. He is smart, he is proactive and he is understanding, if that means he is best not on the front lines then do so.
I'm not saying make him Oracle 2.0. He can still fight but a focus on his detective work or maybe even his competency at managing his fellow heroes. Ironically Matt Reeves' Batman is the type of scenario I think Tim Drake would thrive in, and the idea of a bat detective adjency run by Tim, with his associates Spoiler and Cassandra would be great
YES we need Tim in these movies because he is an integral part of the Batman mythos. mM fav Robins are Damian and Tim so im biased but like how can you make a universe with the Batfamily without having the characters most of the middle ground audience (not superfans but not GP) will recognize. honestly the movies can even give DC ideas on what to do with specific characters if everything goes well
i think the Webtoon also has part of the GP become more familiar with the Bats as a whole and they will probably be expecting some of these characters
I like how the batfamily Adventures comic gave Red Hood PTSD whenever he thought about The Joker. It was very interesting.
Shoutout to that Batman Caped Crusader episode where they made a whole orphanage for the Bat-Family.
Shout out for not only a great video but for it ain’t the perfect length to listen to on my drive to work
i would like to get a cassandra film without words. i think it can make new fans understand her more if it's done right
I highly recommend Wayne Family Adventures. This first season is mostly character development and family shenanigans (and it does wonders for Duke Thomas as a character, but season 2 is currently is going in a more story driven route while still keeping its core elements.
I think at the start of brave and bold the family should be fairly small (small for a batfamily). I think Batman, Tim and Cass on patrol, with babs playing support as Oracle. Dick would be mainly active in Bludhaven so he would be more of a part time member (think big brother coming home from college when he is around). Jason should be dead and come back in the future, and Damien’s being introduced in the movie. I think anymore than this will be to much and there won’t be room for expansion in the future
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I will defend Tim's place in the family until I die!! Black Bird is a dope name too. Maybe he could have csi-esque type of show on Max where he meets Bernard and they give him a personality!
I could easily see Tim becoming a new version of the Question
Nah we already have Rene Montoya to take care of Vic Sage's legacy.
I feel like Tim's place as middle child with an identity crisis who doesn't know who to be outside of Robin would make for a great emotional/character driven story if they'd have the balls to commit to it. Everyone else (except Damian who is still stuck in that too young for his own identity anyway phase on top of the father-son stuff you mentioned) has stepped into new identities they've made their own. Tim hasn't and everything he's tried either hasn't stuck or is very clearly barely a step removed from Robin, and that could be deeply interesting to explore why he's the one who can't quite step out of it and doesn't seem to have a niche to fill the way the others do. He's not even my favorite Robin (Jason done *correctly* is easily one of my favorite characters of all time) but I do find him deeply interesting for the potential he has both in and out of that role
I think they should aso make Killer Croc a member of the Bat-Family. Like in Earth One, he's an urban legend, a monster in the sewers, but hes just a recluse because of his condition. Not a killer, not a cannibal, someone Batman finds while chasing someone else, and takes in under his wing (pun intended).
"I will not stand for Tim Drake slander." the SPEED at which I subscribed, dude, finally!!!
So happy you included Ace
So excited for DCU Batman stuff, can't wait
Feeling seen with the Tim Drake respect
So happy to see my favourite comic UA-camr shares my thoughts on my favourite batfam member.
0:10 The Lego Batman Movie and TTG To The Movies: Are we a joke to you? 11:17.
Tim is the best Robin but he’s been experimented with so much that he feels like a whole different character right now. He was at his best around 2007 right before he became Red Robin which i think should be his permanent persona
Tim Drake is my favourite DC character of all time so I’m honestly really scared about them jumping straight into Damian, especially considering they are looking for a Batman who is a similar age to Corenswet (30’s) because I feel like 10 years as the batman isn’t long enough for him to have gone through 3 seperate Robins and so I’m afraid they are just going to do what the DCAMU did and just forget any Robin other than Dick or Damian exist and make Damian the 2nd Robin. Personally I think it’s stupid to jump straight into Damian I would start with a Long Halloween adaptation with Tim Drake as Robin and then a couple phases down the line after the bat family has been fleshed out, then I would add Damian.
While I love Cass in the role of Batgirl, I think the opportunity for Stephanie’s stint as Batgirl to overlap with Damian in the mantle of Robin is so valuable. Though Cass or Damian could have things to teach and learn from each other with their similar backgrounds, the fact Steph served that contrast in personality against Damian made their interactions and relationship during Damian’s early time as Robin some of my favorite Batfamily dynamics ever created. I loved the older sister vs. little brother sibling energy of those comics, with Damian antagonizing Stephanie but learning to truly respect and enjoy her company, and Stephanie cutting to the core of Damian’s brattiness to see the tragic absence of a childhood and someone she could coax and tease out and teach how to have fun and just get to be any another kid for once. Their time together in those mantles really strengthened and highlighted each of their characters alongside its deepening of the well of interpersonal dynamics the Batfamily provided. I hope that Stephanie, even if she does eventually make her way back to Spoiler, will get to play the Batgirl beside Damian’s Robin for at least some time onscreen in Gunn’s DCU.
Tynion IV's Detective Comics run was the best Rebirth book!!
Tim Drake literally my favorite Robin