Designing TWO Rosters for the Next Mario Kart!
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- Опубліковано 22 чер 2024
- As huge as Mario Kart was before, the Switch era has seen it rise to astronomical heights. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe has been a monumental success...and also the only mainline entry the series has had on the console. But with the Switch's successor on the horizon, a brand new Mario Kart is a safe bet to be one of its flagship titles!
Fans are already speculating over what direction the new entry could take. Would it be best for the next Mario Kart to return to the series' roots, tapping into all of the new ideas introduced to the Mario universe in the Switch era? Or could the next game take the crossover content present in Mario Kart 8 and go even further with it, bringing in even more Nintendo characters and worlds?
I think both have potential...so let's design rosters for both outcomes! With two full rosters, two sets of new drivers, and two sets of four cups (totaling 32 new courses to race on), this is a full theorycraft for two directions the next Mario Kart game could go in!
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I don't like the idea of a "Nintendo Kart" instead of a Mario Kart. However, I'm fine with a "Nintendo Racing" crossover that's more in-line with Sonic All-stars or any number of car combat/arcade racers with characters in their own vehicles rather than cartoony go-karts & bikes. Have Captain Falcon in the Blue Falcon, Samus in her ship, Fox in a landmaster, a car from Stunt Race FX, Bowser in his pimp-mobile from 3D World etc.
I'm against the idea of Nintendo Kart too, I simply love the creativity behind the devs on each new track, they made a bath themed track super fun and when allowed can revamp old mid tracks into something way more fun, and all of this could be lost if they were forced to work with established places from some games, Smash can barely add new themes without feeling repetitive, I don't want the same for MK.
Same, don't ruin Mario Kart, a Nintendo version of "Sonic Racing All Stars Transformed" would be so cool!
I just love how Bowser's car is near universally called the pimp mobile
On the topic of tracks, I think Piranha Plant Pipeline should absolutely be a Tour retro track since it's the only new track from Tour that wasn't part of the Booster Course Pass.
I feel like it'll be presented as a nitro track because Tour's non-city nitros were presented in the Booster Course Pass as 8 Deluxe nitros.
A crossover cart racer kinda diminishes the novelty of Smash Bros imo, but honestly Fire Field is actually a goated choice as a new F-Zero rep. I’d be down for that as a DLC course in a future game.
Same here. Especially if they stick to keeping crossovers to a minimum, and it would still be a way to bring in Captain Falcon
Quite honestly, I really dont want Nintendo Kart. It would be a gateway for Nintendo to put all of their IP's into all of their spinoffs (party games, sports games etc.) and it would decrease the interest in crossovers immediately. Let Mario be Mario.
I lean towards your take most times, but I do think that there are so many great courses that could come from branching into other franchises, im conflicted
@@moneykenny119 I can understand that angle for sure, but it wouldn't feel so special anymore once we've passed the threshold. Mario Kart 8 is already pushing the limit.
Any roster that removes Poochy isn't worth it :/
I agree with this. Let Smash Bros be the only flagship "crossover" franchise
I think it could be interesting if they don’t include the same roster as Smash and they keep Mario Kart “cartoonish”, no Bayo, no Samis, No Cap. Falcon
Escape from Zebes NEEDS to have a shortcut where you save the animals
I'm leaning heavy on team KEEP THE MARIO IN MARIO KART here. Yes seeing Fox behind the wheel would be cool, but the Mario universe is so vast, it doesn't NEED other Nintendo characters to make a good roster
Yeah well I wish Captain Falcon could’ve been a character in DLC booster course pack
We need Mario Kart to STAY THE WAY IT IS!
Yeah but I think saving the crossover characters for the DLC would be a great way to sell it
As cool as that is, I'd rather see King Bob-Omb over Fox
When I did my Mario Kart fan roster, I did "Everybody's Here." When I last updated it, at least not since Poochy was added to Turour.
I went for 6 weight classes to get everybody on it. Eather, Light, Middle, Cruser, Heavy, Monster. The Kooplings, Bower Jr. Boom Boom, and Pom Pom were all spread out two per weight class, with Bower being in monster. They could be the opponents if they wanted a Story Mode this time. Also had a version of Mario in every weight class, Also a Kong but it worked out that way I didn't aim for it.
I added Ninj, Cappy, Luma, E.Gadd, Zelda, Ganondorf, and K.Roll. Captain Toad, Captain Falcon, Pit. Ocotoling, Dr. Mario, Mewoser, Ashliy, and Formen Spike. Think I started making the Rouster before Palune was in Turror.
And for the Final Challenge and unlockable fighter, somebody in his own character class.
Sonic! He has the best stats in the game, but since he's running, not driving, he gets pushed around by everything and might need to rest if he gets banged up to mutch.
Yeah Sega has its own Sonic racing game
@@vanessasandoval96 I'm wearied okay.
Genuinely the only thing I'd change here is that I feel like Chain Chomp would be awkward in Mario Kart as a racer, since he'd only be able to steer with his mouth(unless you addressed that in the video I just skimmed through it ngl I could be wrong). Though realistically his spot could be any large Mario enemy, like Boom Boom or Chargin Chuck.
In general both of these rosters feel entirely possible for their respective purposes, not feeling too unrealistic
While the concept of a “Nintendo Kart” is intriguing, Mario Kart should remain true to its roots. Smash Bros. is the only franchise I’m interested to see another installment of.
if nintendo ever made a nintendo kart, theyd HAVE to have sonic as a secret third party character, its such a low hanging fruit, especially for a crossover racing game
I’m glad the Metroid track being a section level with an escape sequence idea I’ve liked for a long time made it into the video. Never thought about making the finish line Samus’s ship though, that’s really good.
I need a Fire Emblem character in a kart racer, playing as Chrom in Mario Kart sounds hilarious
With a horse as a kart 😂
Garreg Mach Monastery as a non-looping course starting at the market square while the cathedral gates open as the countdown starts (also the clock tower Fire Emblem theme jingle plays briefly just before the race preview ends.)
Finish it up with Emporer Edelgard as a racer. Don't worry she sports her Emporer class armor when riding bikes like the all-new Wyvern Wing.
Nah that just sounds stupid, I’d rather the Camelot Human OCs over the generic blue haired anime swordsmen.
@@brandonwilliams6119 Weakling.
The wide reach of the courses in the non smash-cart side gave me inspiration, maybe we split the difference and the game is only mario characters, but goes loose with the definition of Mario characters. We are already allowed to have a few kongs and poochie, so why not open it up more? Get spin-off representation with Vivian and falafel, get wario land representation with captain syrup, warioware rep with jimmy T and Mona, mansion rep with Egadd, and peach showtime with a sparkla. I think we could get a lot of new and very different feeling faces in the game without actually leaving the broad “Mario-verse”.
Yeah how about Wario from Warioware with the biker outfit
Content speculation for future games can be a fun topic, and I have another one for you. You mentioned it in this video and it's a fan favorite, so here's a suggestion: what sort of content could we see in a Kirby Air Ride sequel? We've had a LOT of Kirby since that game's come out, so there's no shortage of material to pull from. I would be curious to see how you'd handle a video like that.
Obviously it's not on your list of rosters at the end of the video, but I'd like to suggest the idea of a Fire Emblem fighting game (perhaps to take the Zelda FG spot after your patreon members choose it) as I think a roster of the franchise's characters without the stigmatized impression they have from Smash could really show people what the franchise as a whole is all about, at least as far as variety in fighting styles, especially if it were to mix unique lord characters with regular class characters that could represnt numerous less important characters from throughout the franchise.
With the Death mountain track, you could make gorons launch you like the chucksters in Super Mario Sunshine, there could also be a Mario Sunshine course using chucksters as well!
I want Mario Kart Legacy. A game that brings in characters from all kinds of spin-offs. Vivian and Kammy from Paper Mario. Fawful and Starlow from Mario and Luigi. Mallow and Geno from Mario RPG. Some weird human from the old Mario sports games. That kinda stuff. And cups would be themed around eras of the Mario franchise. A set of arcade themed courses, NES, SNES, N64, GC, Wii, and Switch. Alongside 7 retro course cups, and the special cup that would have a multi-franchise one lap crossover course, a Mario Party themed track, and the new Bowser’s Castle and Rainbow Road.
This might be the best video that you've made. So much thought went into it
Small:
1. Toad (alts include different colors, Toadsworth, and Captain Toad)
2. Toadette (alts include different colors and Captain Toadette)
3. Baby Mario (alts include other babies)
4. Koopa Troopa (alts include Dry Bones, Paratroopa, Koops, and Kooper)
5. Diddy Kong (Dixie Kong as an alt)
6. Shy Guy (alts include different colors)
7. Prince Florian
8. Lady Bow
9. Mallow
10. Ashley
11. Spike
12. Nabbit
13. Cappy
14. Tatanga
Medium:
1. Mario (alts include Dr. Mario and some costumes from Odyssey)
2. Luigi (alts include Mr. L and Gooigi)
3. Peach (alts include Showtime outfits)
4. Daisy (alts include sports outfits)
5. E. Gadd
6. Bowser Jr (all Koopalings as alts)
7. Kamek (alts include different colors and Kammy Koopa)
8. Yoshi (alts include different colors)
9. Birdo
10. Mona (alts inspired by her different jobs)
11. Pauline (alts based on classic blonde look, mayor, and performer appearances)
12. Geno
13. Plum
14. Fawful
Large:
1. Bowser (alts include Dry Bowser, Wedding Bowser, and Meowser)
2. Rosalina (alts include Cosmic Rosalina)
3. Lubba
4. Grape
5. Donkey Kong (alts include Funky Kong)
6. King Boo (has both crown and jewel alts)
7. Chain Chomp
8. King Bob-Omb
9. Honey Queen
10. Goomba Tower
11. Wario (has both Land and Ware costumes)
12. Waluigi
13. Midbus
14. King K. Rool (alts include Kaptain and Baron)
The Metal Box is an item because I will NOT have Metal Mario or Pink Gold Peach wasting space on the roster!
I saw this cool fanart of Pyra on a motorcycle with her aegis blade holding front wheels axel, only crossover character I need.
If we're getting Nintendo Kart, then its only fair to use it to revive the Double Dash concept with Mario Kart continuing to be its own thing.
This is really cool to see! Admittedly though, I do feel like there’s a few too many Mario Bros. clones in Roster A; counting the babies, Metal, Doctor, Paper and Gooigi, it seems to be generally just a bit much and kinda dampens the more exciting aspect of picking out a roster - namely going for more exciting choices or deep cuts while sticking to the source material. Characters like Penny, Fawful or Vivian would have been really exciting to see. Regardless though, amazing video overall, you put tons of work into this and it shows!
I agree that there are too many Mario Bro variations, but I also don't think we'll see characters from the RPGs make the jump into any kind of Mario kart or sports games. That's the domain of the mainline Mario & DK games. It's usually because they can reuse assets from those games with no issues. Though it would be nice to see some more Wario characters like Penny & Ashley.
@@i.m.evilhomer5084 That’s also pretty fair - I just figured since he prefaced at the start of the video that some of the characters would be some more outlandish and unlikely choices that more characters like those would be on the table.
Few content creators do videogame roster videos as fun and cool as yours!! Always a pleasure to watch them!!
With the Switch 2 (most likely) being backwards compatible, that would mean Mario Kart 8 Deluxe would still be available to purchase. I think that the next game needs to go in an entirely different direction to stand out from the massive amount of content that MK8D has
That direction being… hear me out… an open world similar to those seen in the Forza Horizon and Need for Speed franchises! A large map with many setpieces based on various established Mario universe themes (grasslands, deserts, tundras, a jungle, a city, a volcano). Throughout the map would be Toads/other NPCs that when talked to will set up a race course or battle course or maybe even some DS style missions within the open world for the player to complete (with an option to select these things from the main menu for multiplayer of course)
DLC could be handled similar to Forza too, have a costal town area with a ferry that takes the player to some smaller islands, maybe themed after other Nintendo franchises (Hyrule, Animal Crossing, Inkopolis, Wuhu Island?)
As a patron, I’ll totally be voting for the Zelda Fighting Game!
I think leaning into the crossover aspect would draw people in
Zelda Fighting Game!? Oooo! I would love that!
32:13 YES! I was thinking about Spring Man and The Trainee throughout the guyst portion, I think they’d be awesome guest characters for the next mario kart
If we get a Nintendo Kart (and I REALLY hope we do), I want it to stand out more and have a separate identity from Mario Kart.
I remember watching a video made by RelaxAlax that captured an awesome style. Basically, take Disney Speedstorm (minus the microtransactions) and the first Sonic and Sega All-Stars racing, with a pinch of the Mario Sports titles for a brand new kart racer that makes every character stand out with their own style.
-Everyone gets their own vehicle.
-Characters grouped by archetype and driving style rather than just weight.
-Give characters either a unique super ability or a bunch of gimmicky quirks (Captain Falcon could basically be the exact same as his original series, energy bar and all.)
The end result? The Super Smash bros. of kart racing! Balancing might be complicated, but it would also be really fun.
A nintendo kart game without Pokemon and Fire emblem would be confusing. I think adding Marth and Red&Pikachu combo would be pretty cool. Your extra additions would be spot on for a base roster or dlc i think. Great video
A Xenoblade related DLC would go so hard with how many visually stunning areas you could design tracks around.
Rainbow Road Concept, you start in a Street Road in a City, then each player goes in a rocket ship and boosts all the way up to space till they land and they do some turns around planets, then 2nd lap, they go inside Jupiter, and there’s rocks inside to watch out for, then the final lap they land in a forgotten planet and do some tricks and turns there then leave and make a fall from space to earth with a gorgeous final lap music playing as players fall then take 1 final turn and you completed the race
I’m personally not a fan of the “Smash Kart” idea, but cool to see an idea for both sides of the same coin.
Excellent work, and I would like to see Xenoblade Warriors or Smash 6 stages. I also have a couple ideas for DLC
Pegasus Cup- adds Anna from Fire Emblem and courses are based around Judrgal, Elibe, Daiein and a mix of Ylisse, Hoshido/Nohr and Fodlan.
Mondo Cup- adds Ethier Riki, Tora, Riku or Manana. Courses are based on the different worlds.
Sega Cup- adds Sonic and courses based on Ethier Classic sonic stages or rip out Sega All Stars.
Capcom Cup- adds MegaMan and courses are based on fire, electric, ice/water and construction robot masters or different Capcom games.
Final Fantasy Cup- adds Chocobo and Mog and stages are based on the four elemental crystals.
So I got to pitch this track idea I've had a while.
I love the idea of a track that is inside of a museum. Driving through exhibits, on bones, into the back collection area. I think you could theme this around Captain Toad. Have each area be themed on a place he visited in his own game, and many of the exhibits/statues and such is things in the game or from the wider Mario universe. Also could have collectibles and such in the collections room showing all the stuff you could collect.
This was a fun video! I really enjoyed the presentation of it all.
I have some ideas for potential Sonic content:
-Characters: Sonic (M), Tails (M), Dr. Eggman (L)
Emerald Cup Idea 1: Just because it's only Sonic characters running the race, doesn't mean Sonic's fellow all-stars aren't given service.
-Seaside Hill (The seeming default when it comes to Sonic and racing games, racers speed through a beautiful beach environment as well as portions of Ocean Palace, avoiding Egg Pawns and rolling wheels along the way)
-Samba Carnival (Race through the festive streets of a Latin-American town while Amigo and his crew celebrate from the sidelines)
-Tokyo-to (Understand the concept of love as you drive through a 90s-esque urban landscape. Try not to run into Beat and Gum as they skate by)
-Dream Valley (Fly around the beautiful Spring Valley level, featuring plenty of glider segments to harken to the game of origin. If you look carefully, you can spot NiGHTS themselves flying alongside you)
Emerald Cup Idea 2: Just plain old Sonic based tracks
-Seaside Hill
-Chemical Plant (the second most brought back level in the series, the pink Mega Mack lends itself to decent stretches of underwater driving)
-Casino Park (another grab from Heroes, this sectioned course takes you along glamorous streets and even a giant pinball table)
-Egg Speedway (an original course designed by Eggman to put racers through the paces, Egg Pawns, crushing pistons, and maybe a Death Egg Robot serve to impede you as you race through this industrial shell of evil)
You have just the right voice and creativity for this space! Love what you’re bringing to the table and the two alternate ways to look at it; I think you found a way to please everyone and bring your own perspectives to the table!
While I like the Zebes Escape idea, I think a somewhat less-hectic Metroid rep track would also be good. My suggestion: Brinstar. It could start in the Green Vegetation area, gradually sloping down into the Red Rocky Soil area, boost back up and take a quick trip into Kraid's Lair, then a bit more Green Vegetation before looping. On the first lap, things are quiet... too quiet. There are no enemies as track hazards and the atmosphere is subdued. Just before crossing the lap line, a security eye opens and spots the first driver over the line, alerting the Zebesian forces to the racers' presence, kicking things into higher gear. Alien creatures crawl out of the walls and become a nuisance, and Kraid emerges partway in his lair. On the last lap, some sections of grating that formed part of the track have broken open, exposing pits populated by Samus-Eaters (the toothy rafflesia-like plants) to avoid. Kraid has fully emerged and spits rocky detritus that rains down in the last stretch. And besides the hostile beings, both the Etecoons and Dachora, the friendly "animals", also live in Brinstar. The Etecoons could drop extra item blocks onto the track, and Dachora could speed-boost and break open a shortcut at some point. And there you have it! The longest comment I've ever posted...
That hookshot item literally sounds like the rope item from Lego Racers. I would find it hilarious if Nintendo actually took an idea directly from one of the first kart racers i ever played. Also, seeing my boy Kirby in ario Kart after that was teased in Rosalina's Sm4sh trailer would make me very happy. Dedede would be an instant main for me in a "Nintendo kart" game btw.
They should just do what 8 did and have a few crossover characters and tracks in a DLC. The people who want non Mario characters get them and the people who want it to stay Mario Kart keep it like that. Win situation for both sides.
Something I can imagine for that city you described in your design for a new Rainbow Road would be for it to bear a more than passing resemblance to Dinohattan from the live action movie
This is all so much fun to imagine, I soooo hope that the next MK is truly a crossover along these lines. The crossover tracks are the most exciting prospect, and I hadn't even really considered them before.
Woah excitebiker is an interesting pick, how do you imagine him being depicted visually?
I love these roster videos! Looking forward to more in the future!
FINALLY, Paper Mario. god, that's overdue by now, right?
I like the idea of a Mario Kart crossover!
This is a great video!
23:41 Peter Griffin jumpscare
ayy, congrats on reaching 30k subscribers
Absolutely no shot Nintendo allows "Death" to be in the name of a Mario Kart track
This would be great as a one-off thing, though honestly it would get tired of done more.
Great ideas, I really like what you came up with! The non-Mario character and course choices are well-thought-out.
It's hard to say whether Mario Kart should stick primarily to Mario, or branch out into "Nintendo Kart". If it was the latter, maybe it would be better as a kind of spin-off, with different mechanics in some way, rather than being "the next Mario Kart".
If I was in charge, I'd add (unlockable?) costumes for each character (or at least, most of them), like Fire/Ice/Raccoon/etc for most of the "core" cast, or having the Baby or Koopaling characters all be costumes (so they only take up one "spot"), as a way to add more variety; Dr. Mario and Gooigi could be costumes too, for instance. MK Tour has a lot of costumes/variations already, so they could all be brought in. Granted, this would probably be a lot of extra work, if custom animations were involved.
I'd also add these Mario characters to the consideration list: Goomba, Monty Mole, Hammer Bro, Boom Boom/Pom Pom, Wart (a really deep cut!), Pianta, the Broodals from Odyssey, the Shiverians also from Odyssey (mostly because they're cute), Raphael Raven from Yoshi's Island, and maybe even Mary O. from Mario Maker (another "deep cut", or at least an unexpected choice).
How the hell is Chain Chomp supposed to drive a kart, this is like Goombas playing baseball all over again
This is my idea for the DLC of both your ideas:
DLC Racers:
Set 1:
Baby Peach
Baby Daisy
Baby Rosalina
Baby Wario (NEW)
Jimmy T. (NEW)
9-Volt (NEW)
Paper Luigi (NEW)
Larry
Morton
Wendy
Iggy
Roy
Lemmy
Ludwig
Koopa General (NEW)
Cranky Kong (NEW)
Set 2:
Tingle (NEW)
Tom Nook (NEW)
K.K. Slider (NEW)
Mr. Resetti (NEW)
Spring Man (NEW)
Ribbon Girl (NEW)
Dark Samus (NEW)
Sylux (NEW)
Dark Pit (NEW)
Palutena (NEW)
Bandana Waddle Dee (NEW)
Louie (NEW)
Alph (NEW)
Falco (NEW)
Samurai Goroh (NEW)
Pac-Man (NEW)
Egg Cup:
Airship Fleet
Wii Toad's Factory
SNES Mario Circuit 1
Surface of SR388
ARMS Cup:
Spring Circuit
3DS Maka Wuhu
Silence
DS Desert Hills
Arwing Cup:
Namco Stadium
N64 Moo Moo Farm
Hyrule Castle
Wii U Sweet Sweet Canyon
Bell Cup:
Vexing Volcano
GBA Luigi Circuit
Fountain of Dreams
GCN Rainbow Road
Extra Items:
Yellow Shell (works like a Green Shell, except it breaks upon hitting anything and everything, even other racers)
Triple Yellow Shell (the same as the Yellow Shell, except in a three-pack)
Power Balloon (should work like in a ROM Hack called SMKDX)
Boost Power (creates a phantasmic track above the existing one like in F-Zero 99 that grants a temporary speed buff, but only appears between 9th Place and 12th Place)
Superspicy Curry (works like a Fire Flower on autopilot)
Brr-Chucks (can freeze opponents solid)
Power Pellet (works like a Super Star, except foes hit suffer effects similar to the dreaded Blue Shell)
Both of these ideas sound awesome! While I normally don't play the Mario kart games, I would consider it if any of these ideas came to fruition, especially the crossover idea!
Also, how could you forget about Donkey Kong Junior?
Am I the only one that has thought of Gooper Blooper? I feel like he would go well alongside King Boo, Petey Piranha, and King Bob-omb.
Escape From Zebes would either be amazing or incredibly anxiety-inducing. I'm all for it 😆
if Nintendo Kart happens, we need the Xenoblade reps properly represented. We need Shulk driving Juju's Buggy, Rex riding Azurda, and Noah (with Mio as an alt) driving The Bravery (with wheels)
OK, you know how there are Karts based on characters like Yoshi and Wiggler? I think it would be really funny if there was a Poppi Kart.
Rex should ride one of those motorcycle sovereigns from the world tree
Just needs Vangarre showing his soldiers how to drive the mobile artillery _without_ crashing it into a house...
In all seriousness, Xenoblade has so many locations that would be perfect for race courses. Mechonis Field springs immediately to mind for a track with a darker, weirder take on Tick Tock Clock's theming, as does Mor Ardain - half of it a street circuit running through Alba Cavanich, the other half heading off-road through its desertified surrounds... Tantal, too, would make for a fantastic track layout with its epic, spiralling ruins and icy slides. As for Aionios, the City is a standout (if spoilery) option but I'd also love to see Maktha Wildwood - don't think we've seen a 'ruined city' track in Mario Kart before - and I imagine that you could do some wild things with glider sections in the Keves Castle Region.
I’d love to see the lost city of Morytha (an abandoned city sounds like it could have some really cool potential) but it’s a little dark for the usual. Eh, something for the modders I guess
I just want playable Riki
I would like to see costumes, which would include both palette swaps and new designs. Tour sort of had this, but they were entirely separate characters. Would be easier to balance because they’d have the same stats, and it would be a good way to add in things like cat Mario and Dr. Mario without people complaining that they take up a spot. Plus, it would be another easy way to monetize the game with costume DLC.
I think this format would be nice if combined. 5 tracks per cup, 4 nitro cups of each. Plus, I think 8 cups of retros would be amazing.
I’m not a big fan of the idea of a Nintendo Kart, but I absolutely loved your idea for the Zebes stage!
These are both very inticing ideas, I think you did a great job exploring both.
As cool as a Nintendo crossover with the same love and creativity as Smash being put into a racing game would be, if I had to choose, I think I'd rather take more of roster A that explores more of the Mario universe. At the same time I'd keep crossovers to a minimum so as long as they fit the Mario universe in some way.
I think what was brought in 8 and 8 deluxe can stay, and I'd personally stick to an Octoling, Kirby and Captain Falcon as the new crossover picks (with maybe ROB coming back). As enticing as it would be to have more non-Mario characters, I feel like that could easily fall into the same pitfalls as Smash when it comes to people debating who should get in next.
Here's hoping Nintendo takes a page from CTR's character picks for when they're making the next Mario Kart.
I would LOVE if they made tracks based on themes from other games like the Wonderfield you have or an area from odyssey but i dont expect it will happen
Tysm for recognising that Kirby is a second party character, so many people dont aknowledge that :p
I’d rather not have a full crossover situation, but a couple characters and a track or two is fine. I do think Fox with an Arwing vehicle and themed track could be very fun.
I actually did the same limits of only in-house 1st party (and that even excludes Kirby), but limited myself to a shrunken roster of 25 (plus Mii to make 26), plus every racer has a unique kart like MKDS. 10 are Mario/mario adjacent, and the rest are a mix of big mainline racers (like Link, Isabelle, Excitebiker, etc) and some more niche characters (F-Type from Stunt Race FX, Electroplankton, stuff like that). I’m still working on refining a track list, but I’m working with around 9 cups.
We actually shared a couple of ideas for items and tracks and such. I’d love if there was a way to compare notes at some point
I think if we got a crossover one, we might see Pac-Man and Mametchi; since they've both been in arcade Mario Kart games, and are both Bandai Namco characters.
Oh, and I definitely think we'd see a Xenoblade stage. Since they're technically in-house now, and those locations are too incredible not to pluck one from.
I was genuinely worried you were about to add tons of F-Zero tracks and not even mention Captain Falcon
It’s a crime that we still don’t have any WarioWare characters in Mario Kart
If Roster A got DLC, I think it’d be a good idea to have some of Paper Mario’s partners be added as playable characters.
Limiting it to just Paper Mario himself for the base game makes sense, after all I think you’d need at least 3 partners playable in the game otherwise something would feel off, and that might be too high a number for a base roster. So DLC provides a perfect opportunity for them.
This was a pretty fun vid. I think after seeing what both versions of this idea have to offer, I’d say I prefer the Mario version over the Crossover version because Mario as an IP has so much to offer in terms of characters and locales that I wouldn’t really want to see other Nintendo IPs take away from the series. In terms of both rosters, I’d say I pretty much agree with all of the Crossover Roster and the characters chosen from other Nintendo series. In terms of the Mario roster, I also mostly agree with the roster however, I think I personally would swap out Dr. Mario and Chain Chomp with Geno and Mallow (I’d have both as Medium). While the chances of those two showing up in Mario’s spinoffs is a bit tricky, I say that if possible, those two would be a welcome addition alongside Mario and friends. I also think maybe to balance out Wario representation as a series, I’d keep Ashley but swap out Mona for Captain Syrup (She would be a heavy). One last character I’d like to get in somehow would be Fawful but out of this roster, I don’t think I’d be willing to swap someone out for the guy. Now in terms of the courses, I don’t really have much to say about what other series could lend in terms of tracks (though actually thinking about it now, a Kirby track based on Gourmet Race would got hard), I actually think there’s a good handful of Mario locales that could work really well as tracks. Courses based on areas like Lake Lapcat, The Last Resort, Forest Maze, a Warioware track, Wrecking Crew, A Mario Maker stage where the track is being built as you drive, maybe a stage based on the Bean Kingdom from Mario & Luigi, and a dedicated Paper Mario track are all good options to choose from. In terms of new items, I like the ones you positioned in this video and an idea I had was what if they put in the Drill item from Wonder and they created a new kind of shortcut that involves digging under certain obstructions. Overall though, this was a very fun vid and I can’t wait to see what you’ll do for future Roster speculation vids (Crossing my fingers for Xenoblade Warriors). Keep up the awesome work Del.
Great video! I love these ideas! It's clear that you put a lot of thought into this, and it shows!
I took your roster and cup thought challenge, and here's what I got! Sorry, I took your cup names, and there are some similarities between our ideas, but I made sure that there are plenty of differences as well.
Roster:
Returning Mario & Co Veterans:
Medium Racers:
Mario
Luigi
Peach
Daisy
Diddy Kong
Yoshi
Birdo
Small Racers:
Bowser Jr
Dry Bones
Koopa Troopa
Toad
Toadette
Kamek
Shy Guy
Large Racers:
Rosalina & Luma (I miss when Luma would float around Rosalina like in MKWii, so I'm voting to return to that)
Wario
Waluigi
Bowser
Donkey Kong
Funky Kong
King Boo
Pauline
R.O.B
Newcomers:
Medium Racers:
Hammer Bro
Geno
Ashley
Small Racers:
Prince Florian
Ninji
E Gadd
Large Racers:
King K Rool
Guest Characters:
Medium Racers:
Link
Zelda
Fox
Pit
Marth
Shulk
Small Racers:
Kirby
Isabelle
Inkling/Octoling
Olimar
Large Racers:
Samus
Captain Falcon
Cups:
Crossing Cup
Hyrule Circuit (Zelda)
Aeropolis Slopes (F-Zero)
Corneria Cruise (Star Fox)
Island Retreat (Animal Crossing)
Splat Cup:
Destroyed Skyworld (Kid Icarus)
Great Cave Escape (Kirby)
Forest of Hope (Pikmin)
Inkopolis Junction (Splatoon)
Metroid Cup:
Ghoul’s Teeth (Fire Emblem)
Temple of Time (Zelda)
Phantom Road (F-Zero)
Phendrana Riftway (Metroid)
Triforce Cup
Phazon Caverns (Metroid)
Prison Island Breakout (Xenoblade)
Halberd Halls (Kirby)
Gloom’s Approach (Zelda)
Geno, Vivian, Kirby, Samus and Fox are probably newcomers.
Glad to see a mention for MK Tour, I'm a fan of the score system, it gives the series an arcade feeling you don't get in any other entry especially when competing against real people for awards, this last part seems impossible to implement in MK9 to the same level as MKT, but I bet there is a way to implement it that is fun to play with.
Also, the alternative versions should be added to the main game, if there's one thing the score system made me notice about MK is how boring some tracks can be during some parts of the level, with no jumps, no bumps, no hazards, no items, nothing to increase your score, and some of the alts help to solve this situation.
Crossover would make sense for Mario Kart 10, with an "X" marking said crossover
Tour is mainline
Nobody cares about Tour
@@StickBreightley Tour is mainline
@@StickBreightley Speak for yourself
I’m a simple man. I see Delzethin post? I stay seated.
I'm also one who doesn't want mario kart to have too many crossover characters, but I would love a nintendo-party game (like a better nintendo land lol) where maybe racing is one of the main modes!
Here's my roster for all Mario characters. I decided to incorporate 5 weight classes:
Featherweight (7), Lightweight (9), Middleweight (10), Heavyweight (9), Crusherweight (7) for a grand toal of 42 characters.
Featherweight
Koopa, Dry Bones, Baby Mario, Baby Luigi, Cappy, Paper Mario, 9-Volt
Lightweight
Toad, Toadette, Popplin, Diddy Kong, Dixie Kong, Bowser Jr., Nabbit, Shy Guy, Ashley
Middleweight
Mario, Luigi, Peach, Daisy, Pauline, Yoshi, Birdo, E. Gadd, Fawful, Kamek
Heavyweight
Wario, Waluigi, Boom Boom, Pom Pom, Rosalina, Metal Mario, Wiggler, Chargin Chuck, King Boo
Crusherweight
Donkey Kong, Funky Kong, King K. Rool, Petey Piranha, King Bob-omb, Bowser, Dry Bowser
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Here's my roster for Mario & Nintendo characters. I kept the weight classes and the same amount of characters in each weight class, but split the roster in half, 21 Mario characters, 21 Nintendo characters.
Featherweight
Koopa, Paper Mario, 9-Volt, Kirby, Olimar, Isabelle, Barista (from Rhythm Heaven)
Lightweight
Toad, Diddy Kong, Dixie Kong, Bowser Jr., Ashley, Inkling, Octoling, Villager, Meta Knight
Middleweight
Mario, Luigi, Peach, Daisy, Yoshi, Kamek, Pit, Fox, Twintelle, Zelda
Heavyweight
Wario, Waluigi, Rosalina, Captain Falcon, Samus, Slippy, R.O.B., Link, Palutena
Crusherweight
Donkey Kong, Funky Kong, King K. Rool, King Dedede, Ganondorf, Bowser, Dragaux
I’m not fully on board with a Nintendo kart idea. I think it’d detract from Smash and Mario Kart. However, I’m down for it if it can stand out on its own. The roster for it is really good. I want Kirby, Dedede, Samus, and Olimar as guests in Mario Kart anyway! And King K Rool is a must for me personally. A very good set of rosters and tracks!
I love the ideas presented here but I have 2 gripes with this. The first is not having retro cups. This is one of the biggest reasons anyone buys a mariokart game especially for long time players and not having these would create a very big disconnect with veteran players. The second is the shear amount of crossovers. Having the game be 50% crossover or more is completely overkill and might as well be called smash bros 6 the kart racing edition. 8/8dx did a good job in keeping the crossovers smaller making the crossovers that much more exciting.
Seeing everyone's preferences for keeping Mario Kart for Mario, I wonder if people would prefer if Mario Kart is the base game, and all the DLCs are crossovers?
While not a fan of the Nintendo Kart idea, Cap Falcon deserves a place in a Mario Kart roster if F-Zero is not coming back at least doing something like that could work
I’m bout to show how old most of y’all are. I grew up with this game. (MK8) This was my second Mario Kart. i just turned 16 today. I was 6 when the game came out
I think there should be 12 cups, 4 nitros, 4 retros, and 4 hybrids
I'd love Polterpup from Luigis Mansion and Luma
I genuinely gasped when Meta Knight was revealed 😆 Love the script and editing
I have given up on Ashley ever getting into smash but now you sparked hope that she can at least get into Mario Kart... I honestly doubt it but I suppose it is possible
i want nintendo to hire you
not for games specifically, but for ADVERTISING
i want you to be the main narrator of nintendo directs and commercials, you could get me to buy anything with the way you show and talk about the roster lol
Honestly, given your assumptions about roster size, crossover percentage, and eligible titles, I think you got really close to ideal. If I had to make two changes apiece:
Mario Only: Swap Paper Mario for Vivian and Metal Mario for Popple. Three Marios is plenty and these RPG characters are well-liked and would translate well to 3D (with apologies to Fawful).
Crossover: Prioritize Florian over Cappy and...reorganize so ROB isn't cut off from the other non-Mario reps? Pauline represents Odyssey well enough to give the nod to a Wonder newcomer, but after that I can't think of any swaps that aren't a lateral at best. Ice Climber if Pit's wings don't play nice with the karts??? You did a really good job on that one and even if I started from scratch without yours as a reference I'd imagine it looking similar - again, provided the same assumptions.
Once again the star cup (probably) has the best courses
I'd say a full Nintendo Kart would work, but ideally only as a one-off.
I do hope that we stick to Mario Kart, but I wouldn’t mind having a crossover spin-off game like what you had, or something that went in further into the crossover. If it wasn’t the replacement for normal Mario Kart. Which is why I was so hesitant about the idea in an earlier comment saying “NEVER”.
We need a 2nd video talking about the dlc. Please
Personally I like the direction they went with MK8D: mostly Mario with some Nintendo crossover. I like the crossover ideas you have, but I do feel a couple just don't make sense. F-Zero representation makes sense since it's Nintendo's other racing game. Star Fox to me though is only relevant because of Smash, so Fox and a corresponding track just doesn't make sense to me. Great video all around.
I think that Mario Kart should stay Mario Kart, but I wouldn’t complain with a few crossover characters like Kirby
Sonic and Pacman better be in the next Mario Kart. Crash would be cool but highly unlikely
I'm still pretty disappointed that the Switch never got its own, original Mario Kart title since 8 Deluxe is just a port, and Home Circuit is only a playset. I really have no high hopes of there ever being any future MK games since I've a feeling that they're just going to keep updating the Switch port of 8 until the end of time (still don't think it was a good idea that Nintendo released the Booster Course this late. They really should've announced it much sooner either late 2017, or early 2018). The Switch will be the third Nintendo console to not a Mario Kart, tied with Game Boy, and Game Boy Color. Regardless, I'll still play along! Honestly I agree with both of these rosters overall they both do a pretty good job of combining especially the crossover one! That said, there are only 3 characters in Roster A that I would replace: Metal Mario for Captain Syrup, and make her a Medium, as well as replacing the Baby Mario Bros. with Kinojii since his last non-remake/re-master/port, and non-cameo/mentioning appearance was Mario & Luigi RPG 4: Dream Adventure on 3DS in 2013, and his last mainline appearance was New Super Mario Bros. DS in 2006, meanwhile, his only playable appearances were in both Mario Baseball games, so this'll definitely help making him relevant again (much like how Mario Movie (23) made Blacky relevant again), and he would be a Small, and for the other Small Type either a Goomba since they've yet to be playable in Mario Kart, Cranky Kong since for whatever he STILL hasn't been playable in ANY Mario spin-off so far (why is that he appears in The Super Mario Bros. Movie, but still not a playable character in Mario games), or another Made In Wario character, and that being 9-Volt since he's such a massive Nintendo fan, and it'd be a real shame to not let the poor kid meet, and even race alongside his favorite video game icons (maybe even his pet Shaggy could be by his side cheering him on)! As for Roster B, again removing both Baby Bros. with Bandana Waddle Dee, and perhaps another retro character, I'm thinking Mr. Game & Watch, and both of them would be Small! As for other features, the one mode that I would LOVE to see added to Mario Kart that I'm surprised is STILL not here is an Adventure Mode as it could be a perfect way to practice your driving abilities, and do other stuff! I think it'd be more feasible if rather than having different skins from past games, it would instead just be a customizable track featuring the same textures in the game! I'd also love to see the Mission Mode from DS make a return, either that, or have it be implemented in the Adventure Mode! I do hope that Mario Kart 9 will let you do tricks based on which direction you pressed on the D-Pad like in Wii than it being randomized like in 8/8 Deluxe, as well as having 4 tricks stunts to activate so ALL directions have their own unique animations, and the option to turn items on, or off in the Grand Prix as I'm sure some players would rather play that mode with no items, including me! I also hope that we get more courses that have more/than 3 laps like in Double Dash as that would spice things up even further! Here's hoping that 9's Rainbow Road will be an actual rainbow this time, and not made out of artificial intelligence like in 8/8 Deluxe! I would tweak on how the Coin item would work too, and that you'd only get one if you have 0-3 Coins, anywhere higher, and you get any more (until you have less than 4 again) so players don't have to worry all the time whenever they touch an Item Box! Another solid video, Delethin! I love that you're doing yet another series, with this one focusing on video game rosters for your Patrons to vote (I hope you'll make a similar one with New Custom Specials for the Patrons too)! Look forward to the next video!
I hope in the next Mario Kart we get Doc Louis/Little Mac. Weird I know but I think it would be funny to have a normal guy on a normal bike lol.
I will say, instead of two WarioWare characters, I would throw a bone to Wario Land and include Captain Syrup over either Ashley or Mona, depends who’s more popular.
And for Splatoon reps, I say Inkling/Octoling are a skin swap akin to the different Villager designs, with the secondary rep being Callie and Marie, also in a toggle.
As for the potential of third party racers, I only have three suggestions- Sonic for the very obvious reason of Mario and Sonic’s rivalry, Banjo with Kazooie now in tow for a mini-Diddy Kong Racing reunion (but given it’s Microsoft… dunno how willing they’d be), and lastly, Rabbid Peach. She’s specifically originated in a Mario crossover, so it makes too much sense for them not to include her.
Love to see what your takes are on a Legend of Zelda fighting game roster. I've made my own before and want to see what you would come up with.
Disappointed I didn't see my boy Little Mac didn't make the cut.
Just seeing Nabbit and Poochy in the Mario roster makes me happy. Was very upset that they were left out of 8 Deluxe.
A crossover game seems cool but I think I would prefer the next one be a Mario Kart. There's so much untapped potential for the roster and race tracks, we need one really great Mario Kart that makes up for what 8 Deluxe didn't do before we get a crossover game
To be honest, the Nintendo roster is great but I'm looking for the Mario roster more with the addition of Mona and Ashley, I really want warioware characters in future Mario spin-offs and not just see them in wario games.
Quite frankly do, i think that adding 10 or 12 cups instead of the typical 8 would be a better option to not be so disappointing going back to the 4 Nitros and 4 Retros again, especially after the Booster Course Pass.
maybe seeing the Lightning Cup as a Nitro Cup like It was in Super Circuit would be a bazaar and interesting decision.