How Did Your Average Clone Wars Venator Crew Actually Work?
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Chapters
0:00 Intro
0:45 Command Structure
2:41 Making it Fly
4:49 The Guns
6:08 The Hangars
7:34 Totals
8:34 Outro - Фільми й анімація
"Heroes fight a battle, but logistics win wars"-Someone wise but severely underappreciated.
Replace "heroes" with "soldiers" and it's a quote from General "Black Jack" Pershing from World War 1, best known for refusing to put the American expeditionary force at the end of WWI under British command then commandeering British vehicles and artillery in the spirit of cooperation. Very astute at logistics and talented at being in the right place at the right time in the campaign, but a poor battlefield tactician.
@@jarrodbright5231 During the Iraq War Mattis became infamous for sacking an mid ranked officer for not willing to race the British to the Iraq capital, that officer felt that recklessly endangering US soldeir's lives in the name of glory-seeking and especially over Iraq was not worth it. Mattis sacked the guy and made him give up his pistol so he wouldn't commit suicide.
It would seem that Pershing has more in common with the mid-ranked officer than Mattis.
Mattis's behavior on that day should have had him received a dishonorable discharge and the good officer should have gotten a promotion for keeping a cool head.
@@jmd1743 Well in Pershing's case he refused to put the American force under British command because the British had been downright incompetent.
That said if you want to compare someone to Pershing, whose main battlefield strategy was the frontal assault well after it fell out of favor, it would probably be our favorite 4-armed Jedi, Pong Krell - who I believe was actually based on old Black Jack (minus the whole traitorous homicidal tendencies thing) given that Krell's attitudes towards clones has some distinct echoes to Pershing's recorded comments about his own soldiers.
I love huge ships like this. As a kid I always imagined living in a Venator and exploring all the rooms and hallways for hours. And defending it from a droid assault in my living room. 😂
Don't worry soldier. You're doing your job for the republic.
Get gmod lol, hop on a Star Wars rp server and you’ll do exactly that and have a blast, depends on what servers tho
As a kid I imagined trying to explore the interior of the super star destroyer and how it would take me weeks of walking
@@arfinabout4752 you gotta have a super computer
@@mtg-tezzy276 No u dont lol, I had a whack computer and was able to play the game just fine, gmod is old as hell
The Venator proves the Darth Jar Jar theory. The Bridges look just like his eyes.
😱😱😱😱
In hindsight, having 7400 crew for a capital ship is quite sensible when you consider that the Empire purposely inflated the crew requirements for their various other Star Destroyers in order to justify employing a large swath of their Outer Rim citizens in the Imperial war machine.
But for awhile the Empire was not at war
@@photlam9769 They used the Separatist Holdouts as a justification for expanding their war machine.
@@FastTquick Taking out strongholds and war are two completely different things, I said that werent at war as a justification for them having a large crew, now the Republic was at war and like the guy said, they shouldnt have had that much crew on a ship not meant for being a battleship how it was designed, look at the separatist ships for example, the had skeleton crews of a couple hundred that were on par with the Venator which had a crew of 7400
Maintenance of Star Fighters is probably one of the highest priorities of a crew of a Venator, and there going to be several hundreds of personnel’s who focus on the daily running of the ship like comms and security details.
Imagine how all the clone pilots and engineers felt when ahoska's venator was going to crash into the moon.
Venator fan
Sorry just love it
Did find it always a bit weird the way they used the Venator in star wars
Yeah, the Venator's and ARC--170's were poorly used in the war.
The ARC's should have been special opts missions, or, given the ability to be modular, instead of having Y-wings, V-wings and so on. Brings down required personnel, and cost.
The Republic: let's make the Venator the backbone of the navy
Also the Republic: gradually wastes Venators
One easy way to break your own spine, huh?
@@michaelandreipalon359 yep
If like real life battleships the guns are controlled and fired from a central position. But they CAN be fired at the gun by the gun crew with reduced accuracy.
Do this but with some other warships! Very interesting to hear about.
I second these sentiments
My pick would be the Corellian Corvettes.
@@michaelandreipalon359 or the mon cal cruisers
Those too, then.
6:04 the guns could have been like during WW2 where a gunner aimed and shot the guns, and the gun crews just loaded them (unless they lost contact with the gunner which forced them to fire the gun themselves)
In WW 2 ships there was fire control giving firing solution to every cannon only when fire control room was lost turrets would operate separately
@@simon2493 Yeah, though some WW2 ships didnt have fire control systems, even ones built later in the war. (The Buckley class DE didnt have one IIRC. Correct me if im wrong)
@@awhahoo yeah yeah but DD weren't that much of focus regarding range and accuracy during this time mechanical calculation was a think during ww 1 and in ww 2 first computers were implemented
@@awhahoo The Buckley-class had a Mk 52 Gun Director with a Mk 26 Fire Control Radar and Mk 15 lead computing gunsight.
@@williammagoffin9324 Ah, read in a book that they didn't have one, sorry about that.
If they run like a modern carrier runs. Most of that crew is probably dedicated to maintaining the carrier wing. The Nimitz class CVNs carried some eighty aircraft. They have a crew a of almost 2500 for the aircraft alone, let alone running the ship which numbers in at some 3500 (It's roughly 5k total company) launching aircraft alone requires some ten to twenty people per aircraft to move them into position to be launched safely. I always thought Star Wars really took a more Movie approach to Carrier operations (You don't see how many people actually are required to make something run smoothly), since maintaining, rearming, and refueling a craft requires several people. One aircraft typically has ten people assigned to just that aircraft to ensure it is running at peak performance. Now of course Star Wars is a little different as their crafts are all VTOL, have easy to maintain components (relative to the specialty equipment we require to maintain a military grade fighter jet), and they have droids which can help with everything. But still. I feel that a majority of the crew should go towards the carrier's wing rather than engineering since that really isn't something you worry about most of the time. (Most of that 3k ships company is actually supporting staff such as chefs, quartermasters, operations, control, so on.) But still I adore this. This was awesome. Always adored the venator and I always wanted to get into the day to day life of a Venator crew. Excellent work, just throwing out my two cents as useless as it is. Thanks for the video!
I imagine repulsor lifts largelt negate the need for dragging around the fighters.
Also most ships have a droid assigned. That Probabaly picls up some slack.
Also SW ships have no cata and traps. So a SVTOL carrier is likely a better yard stick. The British carriers are almsot as big as the American ones but top out at 1,600 aboard which includes 900 troops.
192 Alpha-3 Nimbus-class V-wing starfighters, 192 Eta-2 Actis-class light interceptors, and 36 Aggressive ReConnaissance-170 starfighters,[34] as well as 192 V-19 Torrent starfighters, BTL-B Y-wing starfighter/bombers,and Clone Z-95 Headhunters] It could also hold some 40 Low Altitude Assault Transport/infantrys, a variety of shuttles,[34] and landing craft.[21] that’s 764 pilots and laat copilots, arc copilots and rail gunners, not including y wing turret gunners which vary depending on how many of that last 192 is yvwings, nor is it counting laat bubble turret gunners.
@@EternalDawn (I’m going to do some math, not trying to be rude about it I really am grateful for the numbers since it gave me a place to correlate information. I’m such a nerd figuring out the at least rough amount of deck crew is a joy.) 764-(I’m pulling a random number out) 900 FLIGHT personnel. How many maintain the craft? Let’s assume you have like a modern Air Craft Carrier (at least) four people for weapons rearmament (LAAT missiles and Proton Torpedoes.) PER CRAFT. This isn’t fuel, maintenance, flight checks, and launching. (I will be nice and say that launching the craft is largely on the pilot or automated so that there is minimal crew, we’ll say maybe three or four per craft to move them from the lower hangers to the upper launch hanger and vice versa. Which leads to another point.) let’s say to average it out, we’ll put eight people per craft, four weapons, two fuel, and two maintenance. That’s an ungodly 2,608 people on its own. And I think frankly I’m being VERY low with that. I’m also not including the other deck personnel like Shooters and CAGs. I’m not including people whose sole job is to move things from place to place. Let’s assume no Shooters since there’s no catapult. CAGs probably fly with the squadron in the Clone Wars, so no CAG’s except included in flight personnel. Let’s give about a thousand who also work various auxiliary jobs like logistics, medical, ground vehicle maintenance, armor/weapon maintenance, so on we can pull during combat to move ships and supplies. You have a crew compliment of 3600 plus flight crew of at least 764, you get 4,372, leaving 3,028 crew members to work with. Also not including the some 2,000 troops who can be embarked. So the majority of the crew should (at least logically) be dedicated to the flight deck. Not only is it the most prominent feature, but it’s also logical to fulfill its role as a carrier. The whole lifeblood of a carrier is how fast it can turnaround it’s complement. (Refuel, rearm, and repair.) the lower the time, the more damage it can deal. The more people working on it, the lower the time the craft are sitting around waiting to be serviced. And with the size of the launch hanger (the upper hanger remember that Venators have two hangers) moving ships from the lower hanger to the upper hanger is the BIGGEST time waster, at least if most of the crew is for the turnaround of craft.
4:27
I love to see Mirax again.
honestly i belive that the crew requirements on most sci fi ships are extremely small. the ford class carriers crew size is 5500 and its only 330 meters. and its down 700 crew from the nimitz class.
Omg i did not realize you where talking about the gerald r ford aircraft carrier until i seen Nimitz i was trying to figure out what universe the ford class carrier was from and tbh spent a solid minute searching the halo pedia and wookiepdia on ford class until i search ford class carrier and remembered that its a real thing lol
Though it does seem a lot of these huge ships have a lot of space taken up with equally-huge equipment and cavernous interior spaces to nearly fall into. And there's droids that don't need a lot of rest or anything.
@@vladtheimpalerofficial lol it's not a very publicized ship. But they are making a jfk 2. Also the one after that is named after a black sailor can't remember his name right.
Automation will greatly reduce the need for organic labor in far-future settings.
@@cameroncashatt692 The Ford and Kennedy are completed, the keel for the Enterprise was just laid, and the Miller has been ordered.
Ahsoka, "(To Maul) I'm not rooting for you. Now go spread some chaos."
Maul, "You told me to spread some chaos, but HOW MUCH CHAOS!"
(Ahsoka slaps face, Rex slaps helmet, Clone Troopers slap helmets)
40% chaos?
I always feel bad whenever I see a star destroyer go down.
I love learning how things work.
It’s funny how sometimes in Clone Wars the bridge crew is just gone when the bad guy enters, and it usually doesn’t make sense
Good point.
Maybe they escaped to a secret room.
Maybe they're using stealth tech.
@@michaelandreipalon359 I liked your Clonelent green comment.
They stood completely still, thus becoming invisible. :P
Thanks for explaining this, mate. I’ve always been interested in how this worked. Another, weird question, that I’ve always had is: what did the Republic do with the dead bodies of Clones?
In legends they would cut off limbs and body parts off and take out the organs for organ transplants for other clones.
Although I don't really know how a dead hand would even reactivate or move when it's attached to a different body.
Clonelent Green.
@@kaylahills3760 out of curiosity, where did you find that information? I’ve had the same question for ages but could never find an answer
Clones dont get body bags
Venator loaded with ARC 170's and V19's will always be my baby.
Out of all fictional vessel's, the Venator is near the top of vessel's that I would not mind serving on.
Granted, I would also wish to modify it somewhat, have Mon Cal and Corellian engineers look it over, widen it somewhat so to allow two belly docks, instead of one, for it to house two cr70 chargers, that are modified to my specs.
You should totally do more videos like this. I'm a fan of your content in general, but these videos provide a unique look into the depths of the SW universe. Would love to see an in-depth look at something like the Supremacy from TLJ!
Speaking of the Clones Wars, I always heard of the victories for the Republic there and there aside from the Battle of Jabiim. So what are the ultimate victories of the Separatists in the Clones Wars?
The Battle of Gentes, for one, though it was mostly against the native Ugnaughts.
No one:
My youtube recommendations at 3am when geestlys posts another bizarre but interesting video
Venators are epic
Great video! I love the venator and learning more about it is always fascinating
3:38 the ship kinda looks like a gungan doesnt it?
Everyone asks "what is the Venator"
Few ask "how is the Venator"
This is a great video, I love to know facts like this and would love to learn about other ship crews.
By having the clones' mother raise them properly. Mama droid raise her clones well.
Yeah part of Starfighter command or flight bosses they were the ones who called last flight which basically means that's all flights for all flights during the night or during the entire mission
Thank you for the video the music you played was very soothing.
I love this so much. These are so much more intresting than some other things
The plight of the Clones was one of the main reasons I watched the Clone Wars. Seeing their progression as they developed from indoctrinated soldiers to actual people beat almost every coming of age story I ever came across. I even had a (very) grudging respect for Fox simply because of his Clone heritage.
Any anyone who wants to be a soldier wants to be Captain Rex.
These in-depth capital ship breakdowns should be a series
Geetsly, I like these in-depth capital ship videos. More please. 👍🏻
Imagine growing up in a vat to be a janitor
The Venator is a large ship, that crew compliment is pretty small considering the fact that the 333-meter-long Nimitz Class aircraft carriers have crew complements of 5,000 to 5,200, including the pilots of the 90 aircraft.
Finally!! I’ve been waiting for a video like this for a while
Love it. Keep em coming. 💯 👍🏻
Thank you for your service, Geetsly's team. We who are detail-oriented appreciate your efforts, & others may have their perspectives expanded.
0:50 From the front the venator looks kinda like Jar Jar Binks.
The Senate worked like wonders.
Venator moment
Don't wait for things to get better. life will always be complicated. Learn to be happy right now, otherwise you will run out of time..pls take note☺️☺️❤️
Great video! The Venator was definitely built to win wars, while the ISD was built to win brawls.
Love this video would enjoy if you did more ship breakdowns big and small
The largest ship in the US navy, the new Super Carriers being built, the Gerald R Ford class, the USS Gerald R Ford has a crew of 4,300, and is 1,106 feet (337 meters) in length. It takes a lot of crew to man a ship like that.
So a much larger ship capable of space travel, with a much larger fighter compliment, having a crew of 7,000 makes sense. You have everything from maintenance crew, engineers, loadmasters, ordinance chiefs, deck officers, fuel masters, inspection crew, cooks, pilots, co pilots, crew chiefs, operations officers, gunnery crew, combat information, etc.
It’s a massive undertaking running an aircraft carrier, let alone one in space.
The British mbt Challenge 2 commander seat has the ability to take control of the tanks turret. So the idea that a officer from the bridge taking control of a main cannon to quickly readjust firing wouldn't be strange at all.
The bridge control for the guns is most likely a _fire control_ system. In most warships, there will be a fire control room where the ship’s gunfire is controlled by relaying orders to the gun crews while also calculating the range of the enemy target.
It will be fire control that will issue orders to the gun batteries and provide the range for targets, which the gun crews manning the main batteries will then follow and direct their fire towards.
Over hundred years ago. :P Central firing was a thing before WW1. Gun crews just reloaded and waited for something to be damaged along the way.
The Venator would have fitted the Empire well in their need for jobs...
The venator kinda looks like jar jar perhaps darth jar jar planed so
Do all the ships u feel necessary. I like this type of stuff
Agreed
Over 7000 is small for a ship crew on a massive ship in the Star Wars!? Damn! When it comes to Star Wars they never go small.
Automation and computers for the win, I guess.
(Man, so many spam comments here. Bloody scammers!)
@@michaelandreipalon359 (I know right. And to add insult to injury, they have the audacity to use the great Geetsly pfp as their cover, disrespectful to that symbol of a great UA-camr.
"We don't have janitors or custodians here on the deathstar."
*We have environmental service technicians*
Loved the video
To help break it down I'll give some ideas from my real world time serving on the Lincoln CVN 72.
5000 sailors on board. The ship is split between three captains. The CO, FO, RO and sometimes the XO. The Commanding Officer generally has control of the boat but can be overridden by either the Reactor Officer or the Flight Officer but I assume to do so would have been a VERY big deal.
The RO is in charge of Reactor department, my department. It had Reactors 1 and 2 each with a Main Machinery, Reactor Machinery, Electrical, Electronic, and whatever the hell the chemical guys were. Also some small support divisions like supply and stuff.
The flight Officer had control of the air wing and everything to do with that.
The Executive Officer really did ships company but it was from the COs authority. So medical, hull mechanics, supply, hazmat, galley, yadda yadda.
The big thing here is there is no cleaning department. You clean your own shit at sea. You paint your own stuff too. You also fix your own equipment unless it's really bad and needs a specialist like a hull mechanic or electricians mate or whatever.
Master at Arms aren't a big department. I think their were maybe 10 with probably another 20 from other divisions who were just getting a break from their normal job. The same with the galley, not too many CMs but most of their extra were new guys paying their dues. MAs basically did simple ship security. If boarded every sailor is a combatant, not a well armed or trained one, but one anyway and that's 5000 men to get through.
So the fighters are going to be maintained by the flight crew. Also the 2000 storm troopers also likely maintained the walker and stuff themselves.
Each large piece of the ship gets broken into smaller and smaller pieces until it's the size one person can not only handle but excel in. So a Reactor One mechanic isn't going to go work on something in Reactor 2. He likely isn't going to work on coolant generators if he specializes in feed pumps.
So really those empty spaces are only going to be handled and maintained by the same couple of people who know it inside and out.
Your gunners mates aren't necessarily going to be shooting. All our systems had gunners mates running them, even the automated ones. Because they need to still be loaded and repaired, so they do that even if they don't aim.
This! I also thought that it would be similar to your description
I like these kind of videos.
The Jar Jar of star destroyers
I've always wanted a Vennator and Acclimator type ship of my own
A6 Interceptors threw me for a loop. They predate the Delta 7 but why not I guess
Now do the separatists and the rebel alliance star ship crews and maybe the first order.
Please do more in depth ship videos ❤️
There is a question though that if the troopers aboard were trained to better repel boarding parties after the incident the prosecutor suffered with trandoshons
Could you do a breakdown on the MC-80?
So reasons venators got so easily boarder time and again during the clone wars that apart from whatever number of clone troopers they had on board they had no dedeicated security force for the ship itself.
amazing video
Could you make a video on Mar Tuuk?
Very good video
1 bird has around 6 to 10 people assigned to it. If they do it like that. But knowing the Empire, they would just assign work on a random or rotating system.
Why did both the Republic & Imperial Navies have such a high ratio of Commissioned Officers to NCOs, relative to a real world navy like the USN?
Yesssss more pls
These crewmen saw alot of stuff in the 30 second average lifespan of these ships.
It's amazing how such big ships can have a cohesive crew.
I like these videos.
You can explore the venator to an extent in the original battlefront ll; also i love the non-combat clone engineers and clone combat engineers especially switch from the republic heroes game.
A bit abridged, the BF II 2005 ship interior, but yeah, nice to see.
@@michaelandreipalon359 yep
Hey Geetsly if you're reading this could you answer this question who do you think would win the Phase 3 Dark Trooper or the B3 Ultra Battle Droid?
It works flawlessly that’s how it worked.
I think that pilots maintainced their ships.
But probably someone else repaired them
Certainly! But I would also encourage finding any of earth’s naval ships in comparing role & purpose, as well as the ratio of crew assignments. Furthermore, should you not find any such ship that best fits the bill, then finding a planned prototype, regardless of how far the prototype’s production went, to better grasp/understand that specific _Star Wars_ ship.
P.S. I would like to know the _Star Wars_ of the Landkreuzer P. 1000 Ratte from WW2, Germany…
Was there any carrier projects with anything heavier then 8-10in guns and full belt? There wasn't any star destroyer like ships in earth history. Somehow we don't like to put all eggs into one basket, putting fighters and marines into battle line.
I wish we got to see more enlisted human crew members in the Venators in the Clone Wars show, instead of seeing all of the flight crew, officers and clone troopers making up most of the crew on the Venator during the show.
Even in Rebels they were clones with caps covering most of their faces. What lore matters compared to skimping on character modeling and animation.
Dude, IDK why the start threw me for a loop, the first picture is my computer background so I was what is that doing there.
Acclamator 1 vs Acclamator 2 next please
Hello guys, I'm making a wooden model of the venator can you recommend a page where I can find detailed photos of the hangers etc please
All sources will contradict each other sadly, as with any fantasy ship that never existed as the whole. I'd take as much as possible from RotS screencaps and imagine the rest. TCW or Fallen Order models won't match.
F in chat for thousands who died in the background when a venator went down🥲
Do the Super Star Destroyer
Hey can u do the acclamator
Providence next?👀
Armory with a master at arms?
Armorys just hold weapons. Master at arms are cops.
Why is there never anybody save maybe one clone guard in the entire engineering section?
using clones for venator crew in my opinion is quite wasteful. It would be best use to them at ground level when every one of them preforms as elite trooper, but with limited number of clones they should switch to average human (cone aren't really performing any better in as crew of ship) with close maybe being pilots, but I have my doubts here as well. Clones would exert mostly similar beavior in combat, so in terms separatist AI would have easy time to learn how clones fight in space
I agree with you when it comes to the crew engineers and officers.
Imagine loosing a fleet of these ships. Thats a loss of thousands of officers, engineers, medics, pilots, support personell, troops and a whole lot of vital equiptment. Its just umimaginable how many personel go down with one single ship. But i guess compared to an ISD thats just childs play.
These are just interesting because you have an accent
This is Canon for me!
OH MY GOD ITS HAPPENING! Everyone stay calm! EVERYONE STAY ******* CALM!
5-6k people isn't a lot for a ship that size. Epsecially if they have limited or no automation..
at 270.43 m long an iowa class battleship operated with 2,700 people, an old Lexington class carrier from ww2 at 270m had about 2800 crew... a modern nimitz class is about 5,000 crew for 332.8 m. Given the fact that all the guns are manually aimed and such... and even manually loaded... with little to no automation. engineering and flight deck crews, etc... yeah... it might be a little "under crewed"
Do you think non clone crew's quality of life improved from the empire or got worse?
What if now hear me out these videos were longer then 10 minutes
All the Large Battleships are designed in such a stupid way, it is hilarious. There is no world ever where someone would have a bridge stuck out on a stalk...ESPECIALLY in space where any bit of debris could turn it into a sieve. The only SCi-Fi that got it right was the Battlestar Galactica series... The bridge being INTERNAL, protected....you know, not a MASSIVE target...hahahahahahahaha
The Empire is pretty much the USSR on steroids