The curious controversial case of shouting in between the game
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- This happened in the 17th round of World Blitz Championships 2022. With the white pieces we have GM Adly Ahmed (2605) and with the black pieces we have FM Nikolay Averin (2231). Adly's flag had fallen (time was up) but he was not happy with what had happened. He called the arbiter about what had affected him. Three players had stood behind his opponent and shouted when he had very few seconds, is what Adly claims. And that's the reason why he lost on time. He wanted his issue to be addressed. The ball was now in arbiters court. Have a look at the video to see what they decided.
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that guy calculated the whole book of moves when arbiters were busy in concluding decision.
😂😂
real gamesmanship
He had no advantage over the boy. He just chose to use his time wisely.
the boy could have done the same thing my friend
who is the real boy here when you throw a fit to get an advantage at a game you lost?
The Fact that the norwegian reporter is holding the mic to everyone that's speaking is Beyond hilarious 🤣
He was having the most fun in all of this. That gleeful smile, hilarious !
Very professional
I think he forgot to turn on the mic...
@@rhylpancakesph That's for Norway Media, not for Chessbase India, you will have to find it from NRK.
This was the best part😂
Once I was in the park and got the chance to play Magnus. By move six I was down two pieces and three pawns. Just then a car horn sounded across the street. It was very distracting. Luckily these same arbitrators were nearby and decided to make a ruling. They discussed this for 25 minutes allowing me to study the board completely. When play resumed, I got checkmated on the very next move.
😂😂
👌 I believe your story more than the adult in this game lol
@@craigslist6988 Cringe the kid literally admitted that Adly is correct your comment makes 0 sense
@@williamrobert9898 oh, what did he admit?
you gonna call me 'frend' while I crush you in this argument?
The kid keeps arguing from different hypothetical scenarios. He claims a) the yell was not distracting because I) it wasn't a yell, ii) the friend was too far away that even if he yelled it wouldn't be distracting, b) that even if it was a distracting yell no professional chess player focused on making their move and clocking in under 2sec (assuming that isn't also a lie) would be distracted like that. Everyone knows you wouldn't be, you would make your move and clock by muscle memory alone at that speed.
While he wasn't articulate because he's a kid and speaking a second language these are the arguments any reasonable arbiter should have understood he was making. These arbiters are really making terrible decisions.
And the adult player should be ashamed, forfeit that draw, and apologize to set a good example of mature play to the kids. No wonder the kid's friend tried to pull similar BS a few days ago, with adult players setting this example and arbiters so clueless they're being taught that this BS is how the game is played.
And I don't think kids are innocent and sweet, but just like if a kid attacks you, the correct, mature response is not to attack them back. It is to use your power to control the situation and punish the kid while teaching the reasons for punishment and what good behavior is.
@Craigs List 💀 the troll really said "yOu'Re gOnNa caLL mE fRiEnD aFtEr i cRuSh yOu iN tHiS aRgUmEnT" just to end up agreeing with my point and proving me right immediately by accident LMAO
*wasted*
A: 01:10 The child literally admits that the friend "screamed" something but disputes the distance from which he said it. ("he was very far and he screamed" and proceeds to shrug)
B: 02:30 While the arbiters are deliberating the child opens the dialogue and insinuates to the GM that had the GM not been in time trouble, the GM would not have made an issue about the shout. "if you had time you would not seen that he screamed" (sic)
03:30 The child again admits that while his friend screamed "he was very far".
C: 05:50 The arbiter disagrees with the child that his friend was "very far", saying "1 meter is not far". The arbiter also alleges that this is not the first time this has happened in this very tournament after disputing the child's assertion that his friend was very far. Finally, the arbiter claims he was present throughout the situation: "I was here, it was the last game so I was not somewhere else".
D: 11:00 When the child tells his friend that the arbiter gave the GM "five seconds"(*not* accurate) the friend's initial response is not to dispute the veracity of the penalty but instead to shift the focus that the position was still clearly winning for the child "after h4" (I don't speak Russian--I'm basing this on the Russian translation from commenter below).
It's only after the child ignores the friend's claim does the friend deny anything was even said. Paradoxically, the child later goes on to say his friend was "over there and silent the whole time" contradicting his concession to the GM and arbiter only minutes earlier.
E: The "friend", FM Artem Uskov, is prominently featured in another video of ChessBase India from a few days ago. In that video he can be heard saying "it's impossible" (03:30 of THAT video --- ua-cam.com/video/H7uWsNdrxTc/v-deo.html). This strongly contradicts the notion originally put forth from the child that his friend "doesn't even speak English" so could not possible scream "it's time." The child accuses the GM of lying by putting forth the notion that the friend could not have said something in English.
Excellent analysis
A. It is not his native tongue. He is trying to say that the GM is exaggerating by calling whatever sound he heard a scream.
C. I don't wholly believe the arbiter. He may have observed the friends close by at some point, but not necessarily during the incident.
E. Again, English is not his native tongue. I believe that he is only trying to say that his friend's English is not good enough to shout "it's time". Also, why would an excited Russian child scream in English?
E: I didn't know that if a non-English speaking person knows how to say "it's time" and "it's impossible", that person is automatically bilingual...
I think I'm polyglot
This kid is shady and so is the guy lol
All those people around and only GM Ahmed heard the scream (aside from his opponent - who said it the scream was from far away), yet no one else to corroborate??
I think it'd have been much better to take the 2 players away to a quieter area to discuss this, away from the board, away from the people, and away from the cameras if possible. I know some arbiters in the UK who do this. The minute or two walking to somewhere else gives the players a chance to calm themselves as well if needed.
I disagree with that. right there and then was the perfect time. The younger Grand Master proved hi poised and better judgement. Than the crying adult. when you lose you lose period. and if one is trying to win over a table of judges rather than your own knowledge about the game. are you worth it of even being a player?
@@fedora296 he wasn't crying, he had a legitimate complaint. you can't have a disturbance during the game, dummy.
they need drama so NO
Wouldn’t that be fair, let say the young player was on “fire and winning the game!” And the older guy knew he was getting beaten by a younger player and was annoyed by that so played the “harassed” card to collect himself!!!
@@Eric-mp4ft are you okay? That sounds like projection. The game was disrupted by spectators making noise, the arbiters intervened - as the arbiter said, he was watching the table, so no need to call him.
TLDW adult accuses kid's friend of screaming about time which costed him the game while kid argues that the friend was far. Arbiter decided that the kid was wrong and gave adult 2s extra. Game ended with a draw
Alright, this comment summarised the whole video.
@@aminemorphy prove it.
@@Fletcher2007 The arbiter made the call, homie.
Wow bs
@@Raii_Chu Pfft... The arbitrator can do whatever he wants.) Let's wait for the video from independent reporters and hear all the same what kind of "scream" scared him.
11:02 Ttranslated this conversation on Russian:
Averin: He said like some of you two speaked too loudly, but in fact it wasn't.
1st kid: We did not say anything! Wait, Kolya! Why is it draw?!
Averin: They gave him 5 seconds more.
1st kid: So what? There is h4 move and it's completely winning!
2nd kid: Kolya, tell me he dropped the flag?
Averin: Yes.
1st kid: It's a nonsense!
Averin: And i didn't get why we replayed this move.
1st kid: We didn't say anything! Didn't say a word!
Averin: Well, it's appeal.
2nd kid: He is an adult so they belived him because of it. We are allegedly kids. Understand?
Averin: You were so far and you were silent!
2nd kid: Yeah! Artem just did like this and nothing more. So what? You even didn't watch it.
Averin: Exactly!
2nd kid: This is so nonsense!
Typical conversation between guilty kids after messing up and being busted lol
The kid actually said “they gave him 5 seconds more”?
So he even is lying to his friends?
@@ManhattanProject9 Exactly
@@ManhattanProject9 they gave him 2 sec and 12 minutes to calculate...after these 12 minutes doesnt really matter if you give him 5 sec or 1 sec
I gotta say the kids are right here. As somebody who has played blitz tournaments for years the older guys story doesn’t add up. You don’t lose two seconds because there is a scream in the room. Especially not, if you are a pro. The kids got half a point stolen by a questionable arbiter decision. And the fact that he was analyzing the position whilst the arbiters were debating also shows he has no commitment to sportsmanship.
“My friend he dont speak English. He can’t say “it’s time,” even if he wanted to.”
Brilliant.
Thereby admitting that, a) someone interfered with the game, and b) it was his friend.
@@nothinglike1586 and also showing the kid isn't of the mindset of lying or tricking anyone because he's a sore loser, unlike another player at that table.
@nothinglike1586 how are you going to defend this horrible, disgusting excuse of an Egyptian? Do you partake in intercourse with goats and camels too?
@@nothinglike1586 Not to mention, the kid DOES in fact speak English, and this was proven in another video by ChessBase India.
Not brilliant, he is a lying russian.
the boy might have distracted him but Ahmed took the opportunity to study the position during the break and use that info to get a draw and thats equally wrong. he should not have been studying the board while the arbiters deliberated.
bingo
What do you want him to do? Anyone this good can picture the board in their head including his opponent and analyze it anyway. It's just part of the nature of the situation.
The kid could also calculate the position at the same time. It's fair.
@@zacharyklein9520 there is a huge difference between passively and casually thinking about the position in the down time and visibly leaning over the board in a clearly very deep think. The kid was not thinking about the position he was focused on the reason the arbiters were there in the first place. Ahmed should have been doing the same.
@@arroe621 but the kid was not. The kid was focused on the reason the arbiters were there and not visibly leaning over the board in a very deep think. I guarantee put any top GM in that same position they would not be in a deep think like that. It’s not fair to anyone.
You get 0.5 point but you lose respect
You are wrong. He got 1 point not. 5 earlier he lost on time.
Second, the small guy also learnt a lesson to respect the tournament hall and not a backyard summer games
@@superman2000 just so you know that kid was certainly not at fault, if there are background noises its organiser, arbiters responsibility to check. that old hag just exploited a kid!
@@superman2000 the only lesson he got is that if you can blame someone do it and maybe you will get additional points.
@@hellostranger2012 the kid and his friends have been nuisances all throughout the tournament, his friend also created some, which is documented in a video
@@Zeus.thunder ya right you were recording it
Damn that kid’s confidence is 100x of mine
@@pantx0 that's not balls. he is just spoiled.
@@jotarokujo5132 spoiled how? Kid advocated for himself quite professionally and calmly. Grown up was trying to be condescending later on, which is hilarious as he was getting beat by the kid in the first place. The only way it wound up a draw was because the adult was analyzing position while the arbiters conferred. In short, kid was winning, adult complained about a kid a table away making a noise and was rewarded with 15 minutes to analyze and swindle a draw against a 12 year old 400 elo below him.
@@Grandpasimpson102 oh you clearly do not understand anything
@@Grandpasimpson102 and ofc if someone shouts to distract it's illegal
@@Grandpasimpson102 plus the kid is rated 400 points lower
10:11 they ended up with more spectators than a Magnus/HIkaru game
5:47 Adly after hearing the decision immediately focuses on the board again and spends the next four and a half minutes deciding the exact end of the match. When play commenced he wasn't blitzing, he was playing out calculated moves he had already defined in his head. I definitely don't know all the rules of a chess tournament, but Adly made sure everyone treated Nikolay like a child and it sure felt like a cheap win to me.
It finished in a draw ...
That smart of him
@@Suiiiiiiiiiiiiiii1 no. Thta's palying below the belt, I have zero respect for Adly Ahmed.
@@MrGino714why ??
I happen to have played him once in my life and he is a bully. @@user-im2ni5ek3n
So many cameras around, surprised FIDE doesn't have VAR support. I mean, there's been so many incidents related to stupid cases that it just boggles me why arbiters don't review videos on sight if anyone has it recorded.
Norwegian reporter is just gold. The way he smuggles himself in there in the middle of the game to interview the players is just too much. lul
But really, the kid is not responsible for anyone's actions but his own. In a room of 200 people there was a scream and the Egypt guy lost concentration on time and started pointing fingers? If the guy was awarded 2 seconds, the kid should've also had 2 seconds awarded on the clock.
Exactly what I am thinking everytime something like this happens. Just record every single game and maybe a few cameras for the whole venue. Then you can rewind the footage and make your case without standing there and listening to two persons arguing as your only evidence.
He was just mad he lost against a lower rated kid. He took advantage of the situation - I call bs.
@@SpontaneityJD you call bs because the cute kid didnt get his way thats why lol. You dont care if he was right or not
It is a chess game, not a space probe launch. We can not afford to waste money on television equipment that might help us maybe 1 time out of 10000
You could record only audio on the table at the start of the game. This could be a feature inside the clocks, this way you can solve many issues from shouts to insults, mind games, etc.
A few points. First, the kid is not responsible for who says what behind him. So the GM's straw man argument about screaming or playing chess is just disingenuous. Second, someone screaming "it's time" will do so when, err, it is time. As in the GM had already been flagged. Third, the kid is focused on his game, he's not turning around and checking how far away anyone is behind him. He just said he was far away because he didn't hear the "scream" loudly. Fourth, anyone who has played blitz, at any level, knows very well that when in massive time trouble you play the move and hit the clock almost instantaneously -- as they did when resuming the game. The idea that he quickfire played the move and then paused when some kid "screamed" is not credible. I believe the kid here.
ARE U THE KID ?
The other kid said to his friend in Russian: "We even didn't say a word. They believed him because he's an adult"
lol arbiter checked microfone and cameras and saw kids screamed then they add time for the adult player lol lol
Judge Judy said, “When do teenagers lie?”
Answer, “All the time.”
@@mohammedfarissi5737 wrong, they are not checking anything on this video at least
little russian troublemakers
@@The3rdTower LOL
Let's say there was shouting, but he shouldn't be allowed on the chessboard untill the case is resolved! That was literally giving him so much time to analyze the board.
chess players have the board in mind. Now what you want to stop their mind as well?
do you know they don't need the chess board, you have limits to what you can do. Can't make the players to not think about the position. It was not the adult's fault here. The kid's friend should have stayed calm.
@@piyushsindwani8963 that's true for longer time controls, but in blitz Im sure that having the board is some help.
Der . He was staring straight at the board
If the kid had accepted the arbiters ruling, the man wouldn't have had time to analyze. He just took advantage of the boy throwing a fit. Not ideal, but it's hard to criticize him.
this GM lost all my respect, for calculating moves when the kid couldn't
No one said the kid couldn’t. Plus, chess masters don’t need the board to think about time.
Officials handled it poorly by not being firm. They made the correct decision though. The kid admits that his friend shouted. That is a distraction that can absolutely give an advantage with such limited time left.
Translation of what the kids were discussing at 11:05:
Kid in black shirt (Uskov): I didn't say anything at all
Uskov: Wait, why is this a draw, Kolya?
Averin: *unintelligible*
Uskov: So what then, *unintelligible*
Uskov: What a nonsense
Averin: I don't understand too. I don't understand why they (arbiters) made that decision
Uskov: We didn't say anything. We didn't say a single word
Other kid in blue vest (don't recognize him): Bro, he's an adult, they believe him more. We're just kids to them
Averin: You all were standing far and were silent
Other kid: Artem only did this (raises his head) and so what, you didn't even look at him. What a nonsense
Pure cheating. No GM in a time scramble with 2 seconds left, at a major tournament would look up and stop playing, regardless of what was shouted or what noises were being made.
yeah, it's like "oh I have 2 seconds, let's see what other people around me are doing"
Yeah, having friends distract the opposition is pure cheating and quite unsportsmanlike behaviour. And so is touching pieces AFTER you hit your clock (during opponent’s move) as the kid does here too.
@@kencur9690 lol cope more
@@craigslist6988 lol cope with what? Perhaps you’re coping with the fact that you sent this on New Year’s? Lol how sad!
@@kencur9690 Sez U
On the live stream I saw another GM arguing with this kid in this tournament, I don't know what the context of that was, but the GM was pretty mad at the kid.
he moved his rook to a different square on someone in the same tournament. little shit
The exact same thing happened. It's the reason why the arbiters were watching his table and ruled against him.
No, it's not Averin
It wasn't the same kid, we can see the one you're referring to stand behind the table on the right-hand side at circa 11:00.
Old man with white hairs and half sweater right?
The whole thing is ridiculous. Look how Ahmed start calculating at 5:37 while the kid is talking to the arbiters. He literally solved the position before the game restarted. That is unfair. :)
were they supposed to put a table cloth over the board? many professional players can still see the board in their head even tho they arent looking at it... so what then?
Nah it was the kid's fault, he called the arbiter to talk to. The kid is clearly lieing here. Remember the other kid incident, there the adult was rude, here Ahmed was so kind and polite. Ahmed could have calculated even without the chess board. There was nothing unfair here. the Kid could have done the same, instead he wasted time.
@@mayavi93 dum kid let it happen, dum adults too
Even the kid could have sat and calculated. My personal experience is that these kids are so overdriven by ego that they can cross all limits
Thinking is not illegal.
FIDE looks so unprofessional at this event. They don't have solid systems or rules in place for when oddities happen, and handle it the same way your elementary school chess club would.
that is why they are called oddities bozo lol
There were three complain in these tournament
Clearly you have never run a professional sports events before. I have and it's EXTEMELY difficult to handle all the contingencies that come up.
Not fair to let that older guy who is salty he just lost to a kid sit there and calculate the entire time.
Calculate what? It's a draw
Stfu
@@rft1509 no. It wasn’t. He lost and because the kid was a kid he used his age difference to convince them to let him replay it and add 2 seconds allowing him to calculate the draw. YOU stfu
In this kind of situations it doesn't matter if you let them sit next to the board or not because they have a position in their head
Their ages have nothing to do with anything it’s about laws and orders.
the boy wasted his time, with arguing with the referees, his fault
Last time the other kid in the back played an illegal move then tried to cheat after they had to play the moves again And when the arbiters were trying to settle everything they had shush a kid who was interfering, not sure if it was this kid but not surprised here that the kid’s friends also caused trouble
Edit: This was the kid that the Arbiter had to shush
can you use more descriptive terms than kid, i don't know who is being referenced lmao. you described from what I can tell as 5 different people as ' a kid'
@@blizzen My bad I don't know any of their names, here is the link to the videoua-cam.com/video/H7uWsNdrxTc/v-deo.html
@@cysinkaaewoods55 Yep i noticed him straight away as well :)
@@blizzen Also, I'm referring to the kid that was playing in this game, he got shushed by the Arbiter
@Mr. Mr. you left out the part where he tried to play with two hands as to not lose on time after saying “it’s impossible” instead of just losing on time… and during this situation this kid was talking loudly and the Arbiter had to tell him to be quiet.
Little man was so frustrated he lost to a kid he decided to start an argument for taking his eyes off the board. What an interesting life to have.
Can't wait to see Hikaru reacting to this on his stream 🤣
this littel kid has now messed up his whole chess career, because even in years people will remember him beeing the one who used unfair tricks with help of hie friends - like hans nieman..
@@spirituelleOOinfo What unfair tricks did Hans Neiman use?
@@staygoldpwnyboy923 engines
@@staygoldpwnyboy923the beads man
@@spirituelleOOinfo okay when Ahmed accuses him to do so, its already the verdict??? Goodby democracy and rule of law. 🤣
Why have any spectators/non players allowed if as soon one of them makes a noise it gives a sore loser a way out? Ahmed should have taken the loss like a man. He even said he was pressing the clock after his move when he turned to look at who screamed and then he realized he was out of time. And geez, if a little noise is going to startle him he should play with earplugs.
Adly's words at 0:45 "I already made my move and I was pressing the clock but..."
Sounds like Adly was out of time when the guy shouted. So the game was over. And being a sore loser, he looked for any excuse.
The arbiters certainly mishandled this one. If Adly was distracted (if he indeed was), it was not the boy Averin who caused it. And it was a pity because as a boy, Averin was not given a fair treatment.
fair point, but why did Averin say his friend was at a (further) distance when the arbiter, who says he witnessed his friends within a metre behind Averin.
The arbiter also claims this isn't the first time his friends have been shadowing so close to Averin and also states that he himself (the arbiter) heard the group, this alone would show if the arbiter would notice the (unusual) commotion then Adly who was closer to the voice and under high pressure and stress would get distracted.
Since Averin in the eyes of the arbiter isn't being totally truthful then he's already lost (due to his own wrongdoing in not being truthful) credibility on everything else he says and has shown a clear motif to tell a narrative to suit his own goal. The arbiter might have been swayed by your argument in that it wasn't Averin's fault but the fact that he wasn't being truthful the arbiter could have thought Averin needs to address his friends behaviour so this doesn't happen again in the future and deemed it fair that Adly be given a chance to carry on.
One thing that strikes me strange is the fact while Averin was delaying carrying on, Adly was laser focused on the board as though nothing would be able to distract him, I honestly starting to feel Averin was right, that if Adly was so absorbed in the match then no matter the distraction he would be able to block out the rest of the environment.
This behaviour was shown after the arbiter made the decision so it can't be reversed.
I do feel sorry for Averin but I'm sure he's learnt something from this
@@percy9228 brain dead, he wasn’t in the weong
ahmed adli is known as a bad loser an troublemaker
Your comment seems fair Percy, and so does the original comment, as you too acknowledged. Averin certainly needs to have words with his 'friends'. And really, whether the person/s who made noise were known to Averin or not shouldn't be relevant to the discussion between the players and the arbiter. What puzzles me is that the arbiter even needs to get both sides of the story - surely the arbiter (and many others) saw first hand what happened.
Chess is (or ought to be) one of the most civilized competitions in existence. The rules are defined in exhaustive, crystal clear terms such that there should be an indisputable resolution to any issues that arise.
There are rules (and etiquette) for spectators: and it seems this was certainly breached.
recommences
@@percy9228
Time for the boxing portion!
😂
If Hikaru sees this incident , his expressions would be gold 🤣🤣
True indeed
How old are you? Look immature
Kid got screwed. I hope the older guy feels good about himself. He spent 20 minutes studying the chess board knowing he would get relief. The kid WILL be back.
exactly - Adly Ahmed wins by tricks, not by being teh best on teh chessboard. Useless pretentious obnoxious rascal.
kid was just as bad as the adult if not worse. Stop virtue signalling.
This is the most insane ruling I have seen in awhile. First off how is he allowed to do this analyze the board for several minutes while the arbiters explain the decision to the boy? If he was allowed 2 seconds that is fine, but they basically gave him close to 4 seconds because he gets to take back his move and play it as soon as the clock starts? Like how is that in any world acceptable?
on top of that the 3 judges are all distracting the boy for literally at least 4 minutes whilst he is directly, face down, staring at the pieces of the board. Kid doesnt look at it once. inexcusable.
The fact that he keeps looking at the position during the break is very unsportsmanlike
@@accident_prone
..the objection itself is unsportsmanlike, a third party has been allowed to influence the game
@@cdunne1620 How's that the kid fault ? And they took 5 min to take a decision and allowed one single player to calculate during that time while discussing with the other. What i see is a miserable failure at handling live events, just do computer then or provide noise cancelling headphones. What a ridiculous drama.
Adli Ahmed is a pathetic liar
He sat over the board clearly studying the position intently while the younger player was being spoken to and clearly disturbed by the experience. No one around the table seemed to take this into account which I find astounding. Poor from GM and organisers alike.
Well he was the one arguing, that doesn't mean the GM has to hear them
Not sure what you mean.@@krp2856
This kid gets bullied by adults and he will become stronger from this experience
*I’m not an active chess viewer, but this seems like absolute BS ruling and he was allowed to study the position for minutes.* Especially if it was true that his friend doesn’t speak English.
His friend that wasn't supposed to exist?
You realize Averin is lying ? friend does speak english in other game where he cheats and Averin is making noise there. Arbiter saw situation and knows these kids have already made trouble during this event
No way the other guy was allowed to calculate while they were making the decision, he basically pre moved after
Unfair. He said he made his move with 2 seconds on the clock. He then said he went to press the timer and had a quick look around after hearing a shout and the time expired. I’m not having that. There’s no way the shout (if it was even distracting) caused a 2 second delay to pressing the time button.
love these controversies , thats the best content for me :)
Child’s friends were deliberately sabotaging. I’m glad the arbiters didn’t side with him just because he’s a kid. Some of these chess kids grow up thinking they’re the second coming because they can play a board game well.
You can see he was studying the board the whole time while the kid was being interviewed.
dude, you looked away got distracted like a dog seeing a squirrel, that's completely your fault 100%.
It’s really not though. It’s a proper chess competition and most people seem to respect that. Being a child and having your child friends scream during an important match (or any match) is infantile and has no please in competitive chess. It’s a matter of having some mutual respect.
Can't we see what happened?!?! Where was the cameras?!?!
For everyone that thinks it is unfair that the GM got 3 minutes to look at the board,The kid gave The GM time to study the position by discussing with the arbiters and wasting time although the final desicion was already made, it is the kid's fault.
For me it was the fair desicion regarding that this group of kids has already caused several problems in this tournament and there was another case where this kid got into an argument with another GM. Sorry but every piece of evidence here is against the kid and his friends
The arbiters are making a statement, “we will not allow a players friends disrupt a game”. Case closed .
With that said they should not have allowed the complainant to sit there and calculate while they were making their decision.
Whether the kids friend shouted or not, they are playing in a public space with dozens of other matches going on, people being interviewed, filmed, photographed, people talking etc it's no excuse, he should have been focussed on his game and acted professional instead he was easily distracted and lost to time.
This whole event is such a mess to be honest
The constant unchanging smile of lady behind russian invigilator is epic! 🤣🤣
the person who first invented chess must be smiling from above, to see chess progression until today as a world event.
I,e in 6th century CE during Guta empire in India . It wa called “chaturanga” then evolved into Sjataranj and to modern chess. You’re welcome.
He is a minor. His coach or some adult responsible for him should have been called there to help him in this situation. And what if the other player got distracted by some kid. There are always things happening that can distract people while they are playing.
Nope I played in many tournaments and I can confidently say that this is not an excuse for you to distract a chess player on purpose
you know when someone says "muy frend" while they argue with you they're super scummy
Norwegian reporter at that moment holding the Mike is hilarious
Mike you've done it again!
@@stuckstepsis6976 Boston Mike?
I think it's fair. The boy's friends did disturb him at the last second he made his move, so they decided to redo the game. One thing I don't like is the guy in blue has a terrible personality. He didn't even give chance for the boy to speak, always cuts in between when he talks. Also, feels kinda bad for the boy, if it weren't for his friends cheering, he might've won.
He seems a bit entitled since he's much better rated than the kid. However the kid's friends did make a mistake cheering prematurely before the game was concluded.
which guy in blue? literally the whole room is in blue
This is not a soccer match. 🤡
yes but child was lying as well. says he is not friends with those but walked directly towards them after the gameç.
Animorphy the arbiters took the old guys side so that makes a mockery of your argument . He actually was pretty obnoxious too
the question is: you should focus on your game, if you were affected and lost on time, thats it, part of game. Then we come back to the question, why are you looking around when you almost ran out of time
Shame on Ahmed. He embarrasse whole Egypt because of slighting the kid in losing position.
Shame on you, we are proud of him
If there is a distraction that affects the game either player needs to know how to stop the clock at that very moment and call over a technical director or arbiter to discuss the issues and make a decision. But I agree with the arbiters, if there is a distraction the player making a move needs to be brought back to the same point where he would be prior to the distraction. Two seconds is fair.
He had already made his move. He was just late to the clock
@@myhrebu8224 That's why he had to replay the exact move. The point was to actually give him a chance to press his clock, instead of allowing unprofessional players (or in this case spectators) to ruin a game.
You forget one thing, you're gay.
@@richardmust6919 you must be the kid spectator who was screaming and causing distractions.
@@LuisFernando-yd3mx I don't speak gay. I couldn't scream your language if I wanted to.
The boy try to be oversmart, he is 2200 and he act like he didn't recognised the last move !!! Are u joking
God this is so dramatic. This needs to be in a movie 🎥🍿
watch "The Queen's Gambit" if you haven't yet!
This kid is in every arbiter call video I see from this tournament. Someone teach him sportmanship and manners not only chess
I ll better teach you to keep your fingers away from the keyboard, so the shit amount in our world doesn't grow
@@ilyaeremeev2573🤪 Try harder.
@@MultiCockrider try harder what, can you be more precise or do you always write and speak as noone would pay attention to you words
It's Russian, don't expect anything
@@artineogda your world vision is very much underdeveloped. Better spent less time at home alone.
lol... hurts to lose to someone 400 points lower than you... hurts even more when he's just a child
When Adly was the age of this young kid he was beating Carlsen and Nakamura.
The most disrespectful and unprofessional act is not by the players or the crowd, it’s the disgusting act of the reporters.
Weird situation. Isn't it on the chess player to push their button before time is up, regardless of what's going on across the room?
Those camera crews they love a bit of drama!
Adult gaslighting a kid about how he’s gonna win from a scream when he’s the one making an excuse for him losing to a kid 😂😂😂
Adly known for being a bad person with bad sportsmanship. Not surprised he lost then tried to find an excuse and put it on the kid. What a shameful "man"
Why xdo you say that?
both kids were already making trouble previously. other kid who scremed cheated in his game making them replay situation 3 times and Averin here was distracting in that game too and arbiter had to hushed him way. arbiter pointed that out too
similar thing happened with me when playing kids - in non fide chess tournament (local ganesh festival tournament). in the middle of the game, my opponent was a kid and one of his friend comes and speaks in his ear (about the best move) - right in front of me. nobody bothered because these people have the mentality that "bacho ko fun karne do". should we allow fun through cheating?
This kid should be banned due to rude behaviour. Doing wrong(cheating) and claiming a win. This russian child is unbelievable.
should we allow putin to attack ukraine? we all. adults here.
that's obviously different.
@@judesvidler168 Ukrainian nazis have bombed Bakhmut since 2140 and killed about 12-14 000, how man kids.
Should we allow it.
Soon Ukraine will be overrun totally.
That's not the same at all. Nothing occurred until after play ended.
5:53 the emphasis behind the kids "No!" will no doubt send absolute shockwaves across the entire chess community
it wont. dramatic dog
and I thought flopping in soccer was embarrassing.
"his friend distracted me while I was about to lose on time" is not the card I'd be playing.
so you're not a professional chess player :)
You could see he's eyes being drawled to the board when he wasn't engaged in talk, and the smug smile on he's face tells it all
GM: I had finished making my move. I knew I was in serious time trouble. As I started to press the clock, a bloodcurdling scream rent the air, from three feet away. Somehow, in that half a second between making my move and pressing the clock, my hand, froze. If it wasn't for that, my time would not have run out. The arbiter did not hear the bloodcurdling scream, so I had to tell him there was one, even though he claims he was present at all times. A Russian boy, who hardly speaks English, had screamed excitedly to his Russian friends in his instinctive language of English. Great story!
If a game is going on you, your friends, and anyone around the game keeps their mouths shut, period!
You heard how loud the entire venue was? It is not a quiet place once the first games end.
The kid's friend is the one who only had one second in a match and made a scene for moving the piece and clock with two hands in another video. These kids are full of ego.
the kid shouldn't get a voice here, if the GM says it happened you shut it, not argue. The nerve
they let the old dude calculate for ten minutes for a move he should have had 2 seconds to calculate.
First of all, Adly had flagged already! If he was really appealing for anything (shouting or whatnot), he would have stopped the clock immediately, or at least he would have made his move in time, regardless of anyone shouting. What also strikes me as weird is the arbiter claiming he was there...First of all, If he was already there, none of this would have happened. Secondly, it's his responsibility to keep people away from the board. He said that the kids were standing right behind him which means he did nothing to make them go away. It's not a player's job to deal with whatever is going on around them, especially during a blitz game where everything happens so fast. If I started speaking to the people around me or trying to shush them all the time, then I would just lose on time! P.S. At the restart, the boy should have complained about Adly holding his hand above the board and had the arbiter give him extra time because of that. It is not allowed to do any of that when it's your move and you're thinking. It's disturbing the player, you're not allowed to do that.
."First of all, If he was already there, none of this would have happened". Well at the start of the video, considering that arbiter chose to walk and stand right between the players, i don't think he is lying. it could be just that either he couldn't make the call at the moment so he referred to another arbiter or the players simply didn't summon him.
"Secondly, it's his responsibility to keep people away from the board.". It is impossible to predict or prevent people from doing dumb stuff, also I really don't think this is the issue at all, the shouter could be someone completely random, and they could shout from far away, and the consequence is they disrupted the game. if a player loses the game because of an distraction that's outside of their control, then i believe a case could be made for appeal.
Agree
Lol what a dumb comment, first of all the arbiter was indeed there because he is a freakin arbiter genius moreover he specified the amount of friends the kid had and the kid knew he was busted, second of all there is literally no responsibility to keep players away from the board you are free to stand and watch other games as long as you are not distracting them, actually you are allowed to do that, I did that many times during my games and so did many GMs including the top players in time scrambles, you have done nothing but expose your ignorance and the kid did not even deny his friends shouting he just said that they were far away
I concur. Even more. Why are they punishing one of the players for the actions of third parties? Even if they are his friends (unless you can prove collusion obviously).
You go identify the disruptive person, and punish that person.
Those noises are distracting BOTH players equally. If one of the players can not focus, you don't go and punish the one who can. This ruling was beyond idiotic.
@@Treeborn Adly said himself that it was only after he moved his piece did the shouting occurred and before he hit the clock. However this doesn't make logical sense since Adly knew that the "shouting" was not an arbiter and if he did only have 2 seconds left, then Adly hitting the clock after making a move should be near instantaneous (as shown after play resumed), Adly's claim that the distraction cost him a whole 2 seconds is unwarranted.
Please show the end of the game on video or the game itself! Why don't the organizers show?! But we must trust one person or another when there is a video of the party itself, and we ourselves will draw a conclusion, and we will not guess.
The way i see it, this is supposed to be a game with professionals. If you allow yourself to be distracted because someone makes noise, that on you. He lost and it should have been called in favor of the young man.
I find screaming at my opponents to be a very effective strategy.
I think the main point that they should have stated is that it is irrelevant where exactly the person who yelled out was, the point is they are in the immediate vicinity and shouted (it's also irrelevant what they shouted). This is highly likely to distract any players because it is unexpected.
Nobody is going to control the arbiters. But the channel "Chess Base India" shows us
"The curious controversial case of shouting in between the game".
I want to see the situation itself - why is it announced - but it is not shown? This video is - why not show it? Then correctly name -
"Assessment of the arbitrators of such and such a situation."
In this I see the incorrectness of the channel - to have the main information and not show it.
@@Ymrostart your own channel then
I was told "if you want to claim something, stop the clock and clarify the situation" but if you flag, it doesnt matter what happened, you lost on time. Apparently not here...
this was no longer a bullet game... the dude had 10 minutes to fucking analyze the board while the flustered kid argued. kid got scammed.
I really love the character shown by the kid here. He was composed and confidently making his side of the case.
At that age I would have just cried when some adult tried to authoritatively argue with me. 😂
Precisely. I was thinking the same throughout the whole video.
Wtf
He was lying to his teeth and didn't stop until the ref told that he saw him and they did it b4
It's ridiculous. When you leave yourself with one second you can lose on time for many reasons. Obviously it's not great to have the background noise, but it will be a complete chaos if such excuses are used to restart the clock...
exactly. Punish the kid who made the noise, or prevent them from happening but you cannot seriously think it's okay to set a precedent that claiming to be distracted by a noise is grounds for reset lol
they think it's annoying now, wait until every person who runs low on time has someone yell so they can contest it and spend ten minutes thinking. Brilliant.
He has 2 seconds left, which is quite a lot in this case. 1 seconds to move, 1 second to press the clock. Arguing for 1 sec is a bit exaggerated, but for two it's fair
He has no time on the clock, so it is a clear loss. He has the right to challenge the result but he needs to find the friend who screamed or the footage to support his claim. Or he is taking advantage of a kid. He is accusing him of somebody else action. Why do players have friend standing behind them? The kid has won, take the necessary action to ensure it does not happen again.
No spectator, friend or otherwise, is allowed to comment on anything during the game - this includes pointing out that time has expired. So, regardless of how close the friend was - he wasn't allowed to do it and the judge's decision seems fair to me.
I had a similar tournament issue, many years ago. We had mechanical clocks then, digital chess clocks didn't exist then, so no time increment possible.
My opponent, and I, were both low on time. I had the attack and was a few moves away from checkmate. One of his friends commented that my flag had fallen on the clock. My opponent stopped, looked at the clock and claimed a win. I saw this and just accepted the loss. I was really young then (probably a similar age to Averin in this game), so didn't know the rule that spectators can't bring a player's attention to a clock. Luckily, I was one of the last games being played and on a higher board - so one of the judges was watching the game. He stepped in and asked both of us what happened. To be fair to my opponent, he did admit that he didn't look at my clock until his friend mentioned it. The judge explained that this counts as outside interference in the game - he gave us both extra time on our clocks (he didn't stop the clock, so by now his flag had dropped too - can't remember how much) and said the game would restart. I did win a few moves later, my opponent was sporting in defeat and admitted he didn't know the spectator clock rule either. To be fair, we were both closer to 1400 rating than the 2200+ ratings on show here 🤣
I play "Go" more now. Their clocks are much better as they will make a noise when time expires - so there's no ambiguity. Maybe that's what chess needs.....
So he not only got time back he also got a chance to stare at the position for 3 minutes ? Seems legit.
position was a straight forward draw anyways so chill
@@williamrobert9898 how do you know ? Grandmaster already?
@Trumpbasher Nah Candidate Master but it's a straight forward draw like I said, the position isn't complicated and there are next to no chances of swindling
@@williamrobert9898 Ah ok , Carlsen clone, therefore Ahmed took only 3 minutes of starring on the board to secure the draw, when its inevitable draw???
@Trumpbasher Yup, have you ever played in any OTB tournaments? I can already tell that you didn't because that's we do sherlock, we stare at the board and calculate to the best of our ability, the reason why the kid wanted to claim the win and not continue is because he also knew that the position was a complete dead draw
Norwegian reporter Hans Solbakken from NRK is on the scene!
The officials should not have let the guy with the microphone do what he did, which only made things worse.
i dont play chess but a grown man arguing with a child because they lost a game looks good. whoever "screamed" would have clearly only done so when the time hit zero therefore regardless of him being in the act of playing his move, his hand would have never made it to the clock before then. seems to be common sense for the kids after the match
Obvious corruption. Without evidence, they decided against the boy.
The three players in the same way disturbed Nikolay as well. (If they were really there.)
GM Adly Ahmed he is a fraud.
He wasn't supposed to be at the chessboard preparing his moves until the case was solved.
The winner should be Nikolay.
Got to know from other comments that this is the second instance of disturbance in the tournament involving this boy.
@@GP5147-m5r ...that doesn't mean it's true.
The duty of referees and organizers is to supervise order.
If they fail, it's not the boy's fault.
Head Arbiter is Egypt and he supported his fellow scammer Ahmed Adly all the way.
@@GP5147-m5r At least 3 are on tape, and the arbitar talked about his friends doing this b4
From what I've heard this two kids caused trouble not for the first time, so arbiter decision is understandable.
The young kid should have asked him: "You want to win over the chessboard or by arbiters support?"
Well he would just reply to tell his friends to behave, especially after one of them got in trouble for playing an illegal move, lost on time, and when they had to play the position again,
tried to cheat by playing with two hands to not lose on time. What’s even funnier, is that this kid got shushed by the Arbiter during that
Situation
It's a rule to not make any noise, it doesn't matter adult or kid
The kid was in the wrong
Too many kids in tournaments and they have lack of professionalism. This kid is not the first one from their group who has trouble understanding the rules of the game.
Appeal young man. It's not the kid's problem he is innocent.
I love how at the moment the arbiter took their decision, the gm sit and start to calculate. He knows how pointless it is to argue once the arbiters took the decision. The boy (NM) just permit him to calculate for 2 min for free while he was just spending time to argue and not thinking about the game.
Dude knew he was lost and us looking for excuses to not lose to a kid...
Did you watch the game? You have no idea
Yes , this dude is Egypt as well as head Arbiter bro
@@superqazaq3449 he’s head arbiter ? Really? If so then that’s really shameful of him
The referees were afraid of the GMs and their decisions were biased. If the boy's time was up, he would lose the match without argument. Welcome to chess politics.
Is that kid supposed to be responsible for the actions of others? He wasn't the one who shouted and unless he requested that his friend start shouting, should not be penalised.
It appeared to me that they gave both players 4 seconds on the restart. BUT the flag went up on the older guy the kid still had more than that.
They returned the clock to where it was at the start of the move: 2 seconds for white and 6 seconds for black. There was an increment, so after white moved almost instantly, he had 4 seconds. Black had been talking to the arbiters instead of planning his moves, so had to think a little, so came down to 4 seconds. That's why it was 4 seconds each after that move.
The arbiters made an unacceptable decision. Complete fools. They allowed themselves to be fooled by the acting and pretending of the absurdly vain and unfairly Mr. Ahmed.
My opinion is that a player cannot be sanctioned for any wrong doings of his friends. The only thing you can do is to remove the influencing spectators around the table.
Your opinion is wrong. Maybe watch the trouble they caused against Kovalev. It's easy to call out a player disputing their rights to a game where money and prizes are on the line when you have no stake in it. Like you would do any different if money and reputation was on the line.
@@hypercubemaster2729 The arbiters aren't such underpaid to miss the opportunity for a securing a decent conditions for a play (including a spectators shouting). It is not an impossible task to monitor the tables where the problem could be possible and could happen.
Did Mr. Ahmed already heard about Kovalev issues before the start of this round?