Hey Everyone! Here's the only response I could find from Jan Gustafsson regarding this game for those interested: ua-cam.com/video/Ywftg9hRlsc/v-deo.html
@@s1dew1nd3r4he was down too much material at that point and his position wouldn't be any better once the two rooks came out. No way he would've even managed a draw.
I thought Gustaffson's response to what must have been a very frustrating game was very professional, and I ended up with much more respect for him as a person after this video. I find behavior like his in this situation inspiring, so kudos to him.
Yep, I see how lots of GMs let their ego get the better of them and become super passive aggressive or develop some sort of vendetta against their opponents after losing - and it happens often especially when they lose to IMs and lower Maybe Gustaffson was holding his tongue here, but overall he seems like a very chill guy from his response
@@an18yearoldmongolianguy It's not always an ego thing, it's most likely that if they see their opponent doing moves way above their level they start to suspect that something fishy is going on, and they can also feel when something is weird on the style of play and the speed. Here he was clearly suspecting something weird was going on, but was extremely polite about it (probably he knows the guy personally). And his instincts where on point, there WAS something fishy going on, except in this case the "engine" was Magnus Carlsen
This just demonstrates how the GM circle can't publicly talk about cheaters, which Magnus said during the Hans scandal. Hans was basically Soloman x10 in the GM circle and none of them could speak about it (in public) even though they wanted to. Gustaffson demonstrated it clearly here that even though it makes no sense, they can't say the "cheat" word and have to substitute it, at least on camera or in public.
@@aadarshagrawal2197 I think all the times he said "weird" or something like it he really wanted to say it wasn't human moves, but he's cautious and polite to acuse his opponent of cheating by using engines.
He began to suspect something was up right away. I was like jeez Magnus, the Dutch? At least he didn't Bongcloud, but that would've been a giveaway. I'd work on my Vienna as White vs. Jan, and either my Caro or a Sicilian as Black. If it means anything, he'd crush me even faster, I'd be happy to get into a decent Middlegame vs. Gustaffson. I think he is one of Germany's strongest GMs, apparently he was mowing people down as a kid, U20 champion.
@@dmn257 well, this game was played before he joined Carlsen's team. but i think Gustaffson may have known about the prank all along (he was the co-founder of chess24, and it's great viral promotion for the website). at the very least, the thought would certainly have crossed his mind - it's a Norwegian account after all; playing oddball openings in blitz is practically a trademark of Carlsen, etc. - he just refrains from saying it out loud.
It was an accidental identification, he was using coded language to insinuate that he was playing against an engine. That's what he definitely thought was actually happening.
This was true sportsmanship. He hinted that the opponent is very suspicious of using AI assistance but never opanly accused him and took the loss like a true champ.
think he was pretty legit confused tho because he probably wouldn't suspect an actual pro he respects to cheat like that (he made the comment "shouldn't you be sleeping to prepare for your national championship")
He thought he was playing against an IM, so when his supposedly weaker opponent blitzed out moves he didn't understand while outplaying him, he said "Either he's the biggest genius in the world or this is weird" which can be translated as "I'm either playing against Magnus Carlsen or an engine" hahahaha
Everyone is wrong Here. The reason Why This is so Strange for him is Not bc he thinks Its an Engine. Its because the Moves Are blitzed out. So he knows Its Most likely no Engine. Thats Why hes so confused
Jan comments on the Dutch not just because you don't see it at the highest level, but because Jan has a running gag on his streams that he absolutely hates the opening and is convinced that it's unusable generally. Which is made even funnier in this context, because he is basically the first name in Carlsen's team for his World Championship matches!
@@lma5508 Jan's a world-leading openings expert. Carlsen has used him on his team for many world championships, and he's often the highest rated person on that team.
Well, he is genuinely confused, because he knows the other person, and he knows they wouldn't cheat, and he also knows that the moves are being blitzed out too fast for engine reference cheating.
@@insertphrasehere15 There are way more sophisticated ways to cheat than to have an engine in a second window. I think he suggested he may be cheating. But obviously wasn't sure and couldn't say it out loud
Actually, at 9:12 Gustaffson unconsciously realizes what's going on when he says "either he's the biggest genius in the world" - which exactly what his opponent is.
One must note that whenever Jan gets surprised by the move he qualifies it by "instatntly'; which means it cannot be a cheating as one needs time to refer to a computer ,even with a helper, to post moves.
No you don't. You can write prediction algorithms that consider the most likely moves, and stores what to do against such moves. This allows you to respond immediately with an engine.
We were all waiting to see his reaction when he realizes he's been playing against Carlsen, but unfortunately that was left out. That was really a huge anticlimax. 😖
I'm sorry about that, sadly I couldn't find any footage of Magnus telling Jan, if you can find anything like that on YT please let me know because I really want to do a follow up video on it. I think I saw a video of Jan mentioning it on one of his streams, but I can't find it now. EDIT: Ok so this is what I found online in a now deleted tweet directed to Johan Salomon "Johan, twelve people at least are wondering: When was @GMJanGustafsson made aware he was actually playing Magnus - and what was his reply?" Johan's reply: "No idea" Sadly we don't get the payoff of Gustafsson finding out on video. :(
And not a regular GM either, Jan is a very strong GM. It's crazy as GM title itself is such a difficult feat to achieve, but then there are some who are a class above them (nowadays called super GM), and then there is Magnus Carlsen.
When I get completely crushed it's very easy for me to think that someone is cheating (most of the time this is simply not the case, I'm just getting crushed) and I'm relatively weak at 1700 rating. For Jan, it was clear that he had these thoughts too during this game! Being a Grandmaster & being bullied must have heightened these feelings also.
Poor Jan. He handled that well but was perhaps boiling on the inside. I'm glad he later learned it was all a trick and spent some quality time fetching beers for Magnus at Magnus' penthouse suite.
@@mathildewesendonck7225 Sure, in part. But I don't think a GM takes losing like that lightly to an IM. He got demolished, admitted it throughout, and was visibly shaken.
I've seen this game tons of time before, but never a full breakdown, blow by blow, like yours. Great content! Liked, subscribed. Thanks for the video, keep it up this great content!
Dutch looks simple but if you dont know your stuff you end up in cramped positions and eventually your opponent smash you I speak about rating 2000. It looks simple when Magnus plays
I liked the bit when they moved the different coloured pieces around the board. It was majestic! I've no idea what they were trying to accomplish but it looked like a dance of some sort. Like the Haka those Polanision people do before a performance. It's very quaint.
He may have considered cheating but said that these moves came instantly, which makes illegal actions difficult (for expert advice consult GM H.M. Niemann 😅😅😅). Great prank and cool reaction of GM Gustaffson! Super video!
"Such strange moves, played instantly" - I love that he says instantly to show that he doesn't think there is any cheating. People who cheat and play where moves after a period of time need the time to tell the computer the new moves for it to compute. The fact it was instantly is where it shows it's not coming from a computer.
There are computer scripts now that people use and get moves out consistently in 1-2 seconds. Most cheaters aren't that sophisticated but some are, unfortunately.
Magus has done this to Gustafsson a few times. I'll admit, Jan takes it like a Gentleman, even though you know he's upset. Never stops being funny though.
I think the most interesting part is his that very quickly he realized that something was off and that his opponent was very strong. I mean, he could have think it was just bad luck, or he wasn't in the game...but no, he knew he was beaten fair and square.
@@fox2569 There is definitely luck involved in the wide sense of the word. Sometimes you see a move, and sometimes you don't. Or, you can make a move where you miss a potential move from your opponent, but you see after you moved that luckily there is a way to answer and you are fine. The game doesn't contain randomness, but people's behaviour certainly do.
@@theWebWizrdstatistical flukes average out in the long run, but within a single game obviously there's an element of bluff. even Kramnik overlooked a mate in 1 once (against Deep Fritz). there's also something known as a "tilt". not exactly luck, but a state of mind - once the player starts doubting himself for whatever reason, errors begin to breed more errors, and it may take a while to regain composure. this state of mind can be quite volatile, especially among some players. (Nepo being a prominent example - once something snaps, he starts hallucinating stuff and blundering a lot, playing well below his level, as it happened in both of his WC matches).
I think that this game was more of luck because Jan had the brilliant bishop move in mind, but didnt go for it. It was a gamble by Magnus which luckily went through. I love them both as players and human beings. :)
@@qondamyes, magnus gambled. If Jan found the correct continuation, he would have an advantage. So magnus took the risk that Jan would not find the refutation
There is a video of a similar game: Kasparov raging during a friendly simultaneous 😅 He was playing against somebody who had a much higher rating than he had been told. And Kasparov just wasn’t having it 🤣
and Kasparov was perfectly right. what does it mean: "friendly" simultaneous, by the way? : ) as opposed to all the hostile ones? simultaneous games are always exhibitions, of course they don't count towards anybody's rating... it doesn't justify misleading or sandbagging. if he's told none of his opponents is rated over 2000, the organizers shouldn't be sneaking in people who are.
especially since the account was Norwegian... i suspect Jan might have been in on it all along, and this was sort of a publicity stunt. for context, it was 2015; a year after chess24 was co-founded by Gustafsson (and a few years later it merged wth Carlsen's company). it's not like they played on some random website
I think this guy was very humble in his loss. My idea of a GM ( I don't play chess) is that they would have a big ego. He seems like a very nice person who is also great at what he does. ✌️
Gustaffson was on of Magnus's seconds when Magnus prepared for the world chess championship. Furthermore he commentated for chess24 which was partly owned by Magnus.
It’s cool how Gustafsson picks up right at the start of the game that he could be facing a much better opponent than he is. Even though the opponent’s moves are super weird, Gustafson always allows that they may be over his head. Much respect for his grace and acuity.
I think it was Jan's self confidence that made him lose this game. His position was over a half of the game just ok, but already at the opening he was questioning his stuff. When he did the first clear blunder, he said "Why I keep missing all these moves" and clearly that was the first one.
OK for the computer isn’t the same as OK for a human, though. Some positions are just way harder and more uncomfortable and might rely on some really weird computer- only ideas. I trust Jan when he says he doesn't like his position.
ofc when he is playing an im when ur a gm and ur pos getting worst u will lose confidence or maybe start thinking something off if jan knew it magnus he would stayed focus and from the start
no off but i see so many comments like this and its not about jan being often not in position or not confident enough, it is just magnus is in better positions and overall is on another lvl. When u are used to play vs ppl on your own level, you often can relate to moves from the opp but magnus often moves unexpectable so an ''avarage GM'' cant handle those moves. I know jan and often watch his german streams and those frases he says are not the exact meaning of what he trys to communicate. just language barrier.
If jan had more time he could play better but magnus chosw the dutch to attack his mind. Jan does not study dutch defense lines. No memory means blitz can surprise him because magnus out calculates him
Hey Everyone! Here's the only response I could find from Jan Gustafsson regarding this game for those interested: ua-cam.com/video/Ywftg9hRlsc/v-deo.html
Thanks - well spotted!
how come he resigned at that point though? he could have fought on surely?
@@s1dew1nd3r4he was down too much material at that point and his position wouldn't be any better once the two rooks came out. No way he would've even managed a draw.
Could you do this kind of breakdown video for game 12 in the last world championship? Ding VS Nepomniachtchi
@@Angrypickle5sometimes you just have to know when youre beaten , but i hear what youre saying at the same time
I personally, have never lost to Magnus so can’t relate
Lol 😂
That’s the best comment on here!
I've beaten Magnus actually, we played checkers last week and I literally wrecked him.
@@cornedenecker1636wait till you find out checkers is a solved game
@@cornedenecker1636ok sure bro
I thought Gustaffson's response to what must have been a very frustrating game was very professional, and I ended up with much more respect for him as a person after this video. I find behavior like his in this situation inspiring, so kudos to him.
Yep, I see how lots of GMs let their ego get the better of them and become super passive aggressive or develop some sort of vendetta against their opponents after losing - and it happens often especially when they lose to IMs and lower
Maybe Gustaffson was holding his tongue here, but overall he seems like a very chill guy from his response
did you not like him before?
@@an18yearoldmongolianguy It's not always an ego thing, it's most likely that if they see their opponent doing moves way above their level they start to suspect that something fishy is going on, and they can also feel when something is weird on the style of play and the speed.
Here he was clearly suspecting something weird was going on, but was extremely polite about it (probably he knows the guy personally).
And his instincts where on point, there WAS something fishy going on, except in this case the "engine" was Magnus Carlsen
@@an18yearoldmongolianguy Its not ego when you lose to a 200 points lower rated player. Most likely its a fluke or hes breaking fair play rules
This just demonstrates how the GM circle can't publicly talk about cheaters, which Magnus said during the Hans scandal. Hans was basically Soloman x10 in the GM circle and none of them could speak about it (in public) even though they wanted to. Gustaffson demonstrated it clearly here that even though it makes no sense, they can't say the "cheat" word and have to substitute it, at least on camera or in public.
"Either he is biggest genius in the world or this is weird"
Weirdness can be either way genuineness or stupidity. Choosing to get wierd is hard as this line that seperates is not so firm.
@@aadarshagrawal2197 I think all the times he said "weird" or something like it he really wanted to say it wasn't human moves, but he's cautious and polite to acuse his opponent of cheating by using engines.
@@superflinkpublicly accusing a titled player of cheating on their main account for 1 game on a “banterthon” would be ridiculous
@@peterkirk8510 You're right, its not politeness or caution, its respect. But I can bet he thought the other player was cheating... 😅
He began to suspect something was up right away. I was like jeez Magnus, the Dutch? At least he didn't Bongcloud, but that would've been a giveaway. I'd work on my Vienna as White vs. Jan, and either my Caro or a Sicilian as Black. If it means anything, he'd crush me even faster, I'd be happy to get into a decent Middlegame vs. Gustaffson. I think he is one of Germany's strongest GMs, apparently he was mowing people down as a kid, U20 champion.
"I shouldn't be playing chess; it's just humiliating" 😂
i believe every chess player has at least thought that once in their life
@@xiamlegend4421 Not Magnus LOL
I think this nearly every game I play.
I love how Gustaffson correctly identified who he was playing against.
Well jan was in his coaching staff for a while so he knows him pretty well
@@dmn257 Yet he couldn't imagine it was Magnus.
In the original video Magnus has a Norwegian flag next to his name.
@@dmn257 well, this game was played before he joined Carlsen's team.
but i think Gustaffson may have known about the prank all along (he was the co-founder of chess24, and it's great viral promotion for the website). at the very least, the thought would certainly have crossed his mind - it's a Norwegian account after all; playing oddball openings in blitz is practically a trademark of Carlsen, etc. - he just refrains from saying it out loud.
It was an accidental identification, he was using coded language to insinuate that he was playing against an engine. That's what he definitely thought was actually happening.
I wish we could see his reaction to the prank! He handled the unfair match with so much self control that he's one of my new favorite chess players.
Unfair?
@markrobertson3054 thinking you are playing an IM when you are in reality playing one of the best chess players in the world is indeed unfair.
not really they’re both gms who are in the top 1 percent of players, by your logic him playing against the IM would be unfair…
Magnus wasn't using his real name. No fault to him for having some fun, but of course a *bit* unfair to his opponent@@hgates
@@jmedlin81 Are u insinuating that he played less serious moves because he didn’t respect the IM?
Shows what a difference there is between Grandmasters. I've played against Jan two times and I felt what he felt against Magnus.
are you a GM?
@@timmyotoole6063 Not even close :)
@@timmyotoole6063exactly what I thought of asking.
so that makes no sense@@jagtrycktefel
@@adamkarr3218 It does though.
This was true sportsmanship. He hinted that the opponent is very suspicious of using AI assistance but never opanly accused him and took the loss like a true champ.
think he was pretty legit confused tho because he probably wouldn't suspect an actual pro he respects to cheat like that (he made the comment "shouldn't you be sleeping to prepare for your national championship")
maybe he was even thinking of conspiracy theories like the account got hacked and the hacker was trolling by cheating on the account! lol
He thought he was playing against an IM, so when his supposedly weaker opponent blitzed out moves he didn't understand while outplaying him, he said "Either he's the biggest genius in the world or this is weird" which can be translated as "I'm either playing against Magnus Carlsen or an engine" hahahaha
@@GeekProdigyGuythat's not what conspiracy theory means
Everyone is wrong Here. The reason Why This is so Strange for him is Not bc he thinks Its an Engine. Its because the Moves Are blitzed out. So he knows Its Most likely no Engine. Thats Why hes so confused
Gustaffsson gave me a feeling of nostalgia, like it's the 1970s and I'm seeing it on TV.
Jan is the national team coach of the Germans. We love him! He is also a talented comedian
And he also is very inspired by one of the biggest podcasts in Germany, called "Lanz und Precht".
lol
He was a great commentator at chess24.
He's a comedian??? I thought you said he was German.
@@terrobert Pls be a bit more serious. German humor and Jans comedy are no laughing matter
Jan comments on the Dutch not just because you don't see it at the highest level, but because Jan has a running gag on his streams that he absolutely hates the opening and is convinced that it's unusable generally. Which is made even funnier in this context, because he is basically the first name in Carlsen's team for his World Championship matches!
Ahh I didn’t know that. I just figured he was saying that because the Dutch is pretty dubious. Interesting 🧐
I saw an interview with two grandmasters a while ago (can’t remember who it was). They mentioned Jan as one of the top 10 opening experts in the world
Magnus uses an opening he knows jan is unfamiliar with. To win on time.
What u mean first name
@@lma5508 Jan's a world-leading openings expert. Carlsen has used him on his team for many world championships, and he's often the highest rated person on that team.
I like how Gustafson never says "cheater" oder "stockfish"... he is so diplomatic
Well, he is genuinely confused, because he knows the other person, and he knows they wouldn't cheat, and he also knows that the moves are being blitzed out too fast for engine reference cheating.
@@insertphrasehere15 There are way more sophisticated ways to cheat than to have an engine in a second window. I think he suggested he may be cheating. But obviously wasn't sure and couldn't say it out loud
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Undercover German!
Or buttplugs.. 😂
Actually, at 9:12 Gustaffson unconsciously realizes what's going on when he says "either he's the biggest genius in the world" - which exactly what his opponent is.
I respect this guy.
He handled all of that really well.
It should be noted that after this game, Gustaffson joined Magnus' team to assist in his preparation for his match against Caruana.
Gustaffson is a specialist in openings and was in Carlsons world chess championship team
One must note that whenever Jan gets surprised by the move he qualifies it by "instatntly'; which means it cannot be a cheating as one needs time to refer to a computer ,even with a helper, to post moves.
Some people use bots to cheat but is way clear when that happens
Does it thought? Seems simple to make a program that inputs the same average time a human does.
No you don't. You can write prediction algorithms that consider the most likely moves, and stores what to do against such moves. This allows you to respond immediately with an engine.
This vid has been posted like 50 times over the years, and it never gets old
Incredible game - Jan's responses are golden. I'm glad MC didn't leave him in the dark about how the game was played.
Gustaffson is such a gentleman. Love his sportmanship and behavior.
We were all waiting to see his reaction when he realizes he's been playing against Carlsen, but unfortunately that was left out. That was really a huge anticlimax. 😖
I'm sorry about that, sadly I couldn't find any footage of Magnus telling Jan, if you can find anything like that on YT please let me know because I really want to do a follow up video on it. I think I saw a video of Jan mentioning it on one of his streams, but I can't find it now.
EDIT: Ok so this is what I found online in a now deleted tweet directed to Johan Salomon "Johan, twelve people at least are wondering: When was @GMJanGustafsson made aware he was actually playing Magnus - and what was his reply?"
Johan's reply: "No idea"
Sadly we don't get the payoff of Gustafsson finding out on video. :(
Kind of agree--I posted elsewhere that I wanted to hug the guy. When does the sequel come out?
He was told it after the show, so no footage of his reaction possible.
so fast, so deadly and so nasty moves from carlsen. Love it
Magnus is at a whole new level even for GMs.
And not a regular GM either, Jan is a very strong GM. It's crazy as GM title itself is such a difficult feat to achieve, but then there are some who are a class above them (nowadays called super GM), and then there is Magnus Carlsen.
@@fukmi4489 Yeah, Magnus is definitely a Super GM. But I believe anyone with FIDE rating above 2800 are called Super GMs (unofficially I guess).
@yorha2b278 2700
@@yorha2b2782700 or above is called Super Gm 2800 or above are clear world champion candidates.
i guess if he knew he was playing magnus he would choose his moves more carefully.....
One of the few matches I can watch over and over again.
I love it
Those are my reactions every time I play! Lol. I feel his pain many times a day and its usually followed by "I hate this game. Never playing again!"
When I get completely crushed it's very easy for me to think that someone is cheating (most of the time this is simply not the case, I'm just getting crushed) and I'm relatively weak at 1700 rating. For Jan, it was clear that he had these thoughts too during this game! Being a Grandmaster & being bullied must have heightened these feelings also.
go fys 1700 is not weak
He said relatively weak.
@@calebwilliams3055 relative to someone 300 points better - an expert
@calebwilliams3055
He *wrote: "relatively weak".
@@yesno9592He *typed: “relatively weak”.
Poor Jan. He handled that well but was perhaps boiling on the inside. I'm glad he later learned it was all a trick and spent some quality time fetching beers for Magnus at Magnus' penthouse suite.
I don’t think that he was boiling inside. Jan is a very relaxed guy, and he is able to laugh about himself
@@mathildewesendonck7225 Sure, in part. But I don't think a GM takes losing like that lightly to an IM. He got demolished, admitted it throughout, and was visibly shaken.
Great video! Saw this match a while ago, but your analysis of it was great!!
I've seen this game tons of time before, but never a full breakdown, blow by blow, like yours. Great content! Liked, subscribed. Thanks for the video, keep it up this great content!
I’m proud to say I played against Benjamin Bok without knowing when he was doing a rapid tutorial and he destroyed me. A helpless feeling.
How did you find out?
Jan's own channel is always worth a visit and a fantastic option in the game world and fun to watch...
Came for the trolling. Stayed for the wonderful analysis 😁
Dutch looks simple but if you dont know your stuff you end up in cramped positions and eventually your opponent smash you I speak about rating 2000. It looks simple when Magnus plays
3:32 "When is a pawn not a pawn" - Baron Vladimir Harkonnen.
He seems like a nice guy
Jan is a super guy, he takes it so well !!
Carlsen is quite simply brilliant.
So Magnus smurfin GMs from time to time
How Magnus can just put a beat down on a top player like that is crazy.
I liked the bit when they moved the different coloured pieces around the board. It was majestic! I've no idea what they were trying to accomplish but it looked like a dance of some sort. Like the Haka those Polanision people do before a performance. It's very quaint.
I watched this literally 20-40 times on different channels and it's still entertaining
7.01 this is so me 😂 Almost crawling into the screen, hoping to see the best move… even though my vision is perfectly fine
"I shouldn't be playing chess" 😭Humble.
You know he thought Magnus was cheating but that was some phenomenal chess
GM says crazy moves. Magnus is GOAT
He may have considered cheating but said that these moves came instantly, which makes illegal actions difficult (for expert advice consult GM H.M. Niemann 😅😅😅).
Great prank and cool reaction of GM Gustaffson! Super video!
the more i study and learn chess, the more i learn i know nothing about chess....
6:58 Me almost every single game
It's really cool to see the reaction before he knows it's him. Magnus is just astounding.
That's not an overstatement.
just discovered this channel, very pleasantly surprised, subscribed
I’d be pretty upset if my 1200 rated opponents had Magnus sit in for a game . . . .
I’m HOUNDED by Magnus. That dude just won’t LEAVE ME ALONE 😅
this guy had nice humility
Magnus the engine mover😂😂😂
"Such strange moves, played instantly" - I love that he says instantly to show that he doesn't think there is any cheating. People who cheat and play where moves after a period of time need the time to tell the computer the new moves for it to compute. The fact it was instantly is where it shows it's not coming from a computer.
There are computer scripts now that people use and get moves out consistently in 1-2 seconds. Most cheaters aren't that sophisticated but some are, unfortunately.
Damn that was brilliant....
Jan Gustaffson is such a nice guy that should have way more screen time!
- Is he trying to humiliate me?
Yes.
"you try to humiliate me"..
After he lose, humiliation did work perfectly then. 🤣😎
Gustaffson?!
The best and funniest chess moderator (especially in his German talks) and a great GM!
(...og en morsom idé fra Carlsen! ;D)
Poor bloke sounded absolutely gutted
“I already dislike my position“
at early game. Only a true grandmaster can understand. To me it looks like he hasn’t lost a piece yet.
Oh no, I‘m a 600 and I can understand it perfectly!! I usually dislike my position after two or three moves
Magus has done this to Gustafsson a few times.
I'll admit, Jan takes it like a Gentleman, even though you know he's upset.
Never stops being funny though.
I think the most interesting part is his that very quickly he realized that something was off and that his opponent was very strong. I mean, he could have think it was just bad luck, or he wasn't in the game...but no, he knew he was beaten fair and square.
Luck doesn’t really exist in chess, the only luck comes online where you or your opponent could mouse slip.
@@fox2569 There is definitely luck involved in the wide sense of the word. Sometimes you see a move, and sometimes you don't. Or, you can make a move where you miss a potential move from your opponent, but you see after you moved that luckily there is a way to answer and you are fine.
The game doesn't contain randomness, but people's behaviour certainly do.
@@theWebWizrd all of that isnt luck but skill or condition, the online mouse slip really is luck though and super frustrating when it happens
@@theWebWizrdstatistical flukes average out in the long run, but within a single game obviously there's an element of bluff.
even Kramnik overlooked a mate in 1 once (against Deep Fritz).
there's also something known as a "tilt". not exactly luck, but a state of mind - once the player starts doubting himself for whatever reason, errors begin to breed more errors, and it may take a while to regain composure. this state of mind can be quite volatile, especially among some players. (Nepo being a prominent example - once something snaps, he starts hallucinating stuff and blundering a lot, playing well below his level, as it happened in both of his WC matches).
I remember watching this when it happened. So funny.
Carlsen on the troll mod
banterthon clearly thought that he was playing against stockfish, so he wouldnt have been too upset about losing, just frustrated
Interesting game; stunning that Magnus creates these complications barely out of the opening.
I remember watching this live and peeing myself laughing as he melted down.
super great content AMAZING!!! keep going man +1 subscribe
Thanks for the sub!
I thought he was saying the Dutch is humiliating him was because he is German! 🤣🤣🤣
So basically, this is just some "Monday morning quarterback" stuff
Its Crazy a GM would be this lost playing Magnus.
I think that this game was more of luck because Jan had the brilliant bishop move in mind, but didnt go for it. It was a gamble by Magnus which luckily went through.
I love them both as players and human beings. :)
in chess you capitalize on your opponent's mistakes. he made a mistake and Carlsen punished it. Gamble?!
@@qondamyes, magnus gambled. If Jan found the correct continuation, he would have an advantage. So magnus took the risk that Jan would not find the refutation
@@anthonydeng5419Or Magnus was himself unaware of the way out.
My introduction to chess was Jan and Peter Svidler's commentary on chess24, love this guy!
There is a video of a similar game: Kasparov raging during a friendly simultaneous 😅 He was playing against somebody who had a much higher rating than he had been told. And Kasparov just wasn’t having it 🤣
and Kasparov was perfectly right.
what does it mean: "friendly" simultaneous, by the way? : ) as opposed to all the hostile ones? simultaneous games are always exhibitions, of course they don't count towards anybody's rating... it doesn't justify misleading or sandbagging. if he's told none of his opponents is rated over 2000, the organizers shouldn't be sneaking in people who are.
This dudes camera makes him look like a 90’s news anchor.
"either he is the biggest genius in the world or this is weird" .... i think Gustaffson didnt know how right he was here 😅
Jan have worked with Magnus for more than a decade, so I'm pretty sure he can figure out it's Magnus.
especially since the account was Norwegian... i suspect Jan might have been in on it all along, and this was sort of a publicity stunt.
for context, it was 2015; a year after chess24 was co-founded by Gustafsson (and a few years later it merged wth Carlsen's company).
it's not like they played on some random website
This is the difference between mastering theory and being intuitive... both have extreme pros and cons
I think this guy was very humble in his loss. My idea of a GM ( I don't play chess) is that they would have a big ego.
He seems like a very nice person who is also great at what he does. ✌️
He is. He also coached Carlsen in the past and is currently coaching Nepo for the candidates.
@XxXyzxX Glad to hear that. Great to know that GMs can be great tacticians and nice guys also. The world needs that. ✌️
I watched this LIVE and it was hilarious. Jan is so confused.
Gustaffson was on of Magnus's seconds when Magnus prepared for the world chess championship. Furthermore he commentated for chess24 which was partly owned by Magnus.
Gustafsson is literally the founder of chess24
It’s cool how Gustafsson picks up right at the start of the game that he could be facing a much better opponent than he is. Even though the opponent’s moves are super weird, Gustafson always allows that they may be over his head. Much respect for his grace and acuity.
I love Christopherson commentary on how Magnus plays so much. It’s fascinating what’s he’s saying about his not knowing it was him.
he even knew Salmon should be in bed .... , amazing how many things he said that were correct !
I wanna see his reaction when he found out it's Magnus.
He took his soul
I feel for JG, this is how I feel vs Stockfish level 5 on Lichess.
Gustaffson seems to be recording from an aircraft in space in the 80's
He knew this was definitely Hans, he just didn't want to say it out loud
Great sport!!! A true artist and fantastic comentator!
I love how online chess pretty much eliminates the touch + move rule
Kramnich: follow the process: block, report and go coffee.
Very confusing game 😂
Specially for you mister😂
I think it was Jan's self confidence that made him lose this game.
His position was over a half of the game just ok, but already at the opening he was questioning his stuff.
When he did the first clear blunder, he said "Why I keep missing all these moves" and clearly that was the first one.
OK for the computer isn’t the same as OK for a human, though. Some positions are just way harder and more uncomfortable and might rely on some really weird computer- only ideas. I trust Jan when he says he doesn't like his position.
ofc when he is playing an im when ur a gm and ur pos getting worst u will lose confidence or maybe start thinking something off if jan knew it magnus he would stayed focus and from the start
no off but i see so many comments like this and its not about jan being often not in position or not confident enough, it is just magnus is in better positions and overall is on another lvl. When u are used to play vs ppl on your own level, you often can relate to moves from the opp but magnus often moves unexpectable so an ''avarage GM'' cant handle those moves. I know jan and often watch his german streams and those frases he says are not the exact meaning of what he trys to communicate. just language barrier.
If jan had more time he could play better but magnus chosw the dutch to attack his mind. Jan does not study dutch defense lines. No memory means blitz can surprise him because magnus out calculates him
What are the symbols after each move is made?
I started playing the Dutch and I just love almost everything about it.
The German playing a "blitz" game, the irony 😂